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Jordan Hall is a futurist, culture hacker, entrepreneur and angel investor with a focus on the internet and digital media space. Having received his law degree from Harvard and practicing for all of 93 days, he sought greener pastures, becoming an advocate for “efficient, collaborative, open” models of information dispersal. He co-founded DivX LLC. (Formerly, DivXNetworks, Inc.), the digital media giant, in 2000 and served as its Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman through 2007. Previously, he served as Vice President of MP3.com, where he was responsible for developing and implementing MP3.com, business and content development model. He is also co-founder of the Civium Project and has his own YouTube channel where he discusses a wide variety of topics.

In this episode, we chat about the “blue church,” the “red church,” their roles in the current cultural landscape; neurohacking, flow states, Jordan’s experience taking Qualia, and finding not only meaning, but functionality in rituals.

“We live in a place where there's a decaying of the old, a conflict between the old and the new and emergence of the new, and then a conflict between conflicting versions of the new, and those are all happening simultaneously.” - Jordan Hall

Top Takeaways: 

• We are living through a transition between the old institutions (the “blue church”) and the emergence of new ones (the “red church”).
• The benefits of neurohacking and achieving flow states.
• The advantages of developing and sustaining rituals.
• Helping a person become the best version of themselves.

Keywords:

• Greg Ellis
• Jordan Hall
• Neurohacking
• Rituals
• Blue Church
• Red Church
• Energy
• Flow States
• Qualia
• Transmogrification

Show Notes: 

• [0:00] Greg introduces Jordan Hall. 
• [0:20] Question: Who is the smartest person you’ve come across/know who is doing the most interesting work at the moment?
• [1:00] Jordan breaks down this theory of Game A and Game B.
• [3:40] Greg asks Jordan to explain his concept of the “Blue Church” and the “Red Church”. Greg asks: “Where are we in the timeline of the blue church crumbling?” “We're living in the aftermath of something that was once functional. It is no longer functional. We don't have anything new and so the sort of dysfunctional that is, is oftentimes more meaningfully useful than the functional that is not yet, and that's kind of where we are. We're in the intermediate mezzo period between two points.” - Jordan Hall

Article Jordan wrote that dives deeper into the “blue church”: https://medium.com/deep-code/understanding-the-blue-church-e4781b2bd9b5 Understanding the Blue Church | Deep Code Experiment: Episode 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdmed9KgwI&ab_channel=JordanHall 

• [11:40] Question: What are some of the most surprising things Jordan learned when spending time with “blue church” people? “Well, I had the same demoralizing experience that I think most people have when they move into a new room, which is to realize there are no adults in the room.” - Jordan Hall
• [13:25] Question: How do these elite think tanks not become echo chambers?
• [15:40] Witnessing the downfall of the blue church and the rise of the red church.
• [17:30] Question:  What is your primary objective regarding sharing your framework of the blue and red church states?
• [19:20] Transmogrification, energy vs. energy, and anti-fragility. “When all possible moves have been exhausted, the only thing you can do is invent an entirely new one.” - Jordan Hall
• [23:20] Brain Hacks and Flow States. 
• [28:30] Jordan explains the NeuroHacker Collective and Qualia.
• [34:00] Helping people help themselves. 
• [37:50] Jordan discusses his experience with taking Qualia.
• [42:30] Rituals or practices that Jordan started doing that he now does unconsciously. “Rituals are not just formal. That's the point. They're actually functional. We'd like to bind those rituals to characteristics of objective reality, or at least deeply unconscious subjective reality so we don't have to think about them too hard.” - Jordan Hall  
• [49:50] Question: Where do you find meaning?
• [51:20]  Question: Where do you go or what do you do to find peace and relaxation?
• [54:10] Question: What do you do for fun? What hobbies do you like to get into? 
• [56:50] Question: If you could write your own epitaph, what would you want it to say?
• [57:00] Question: If you had one wish, what would it be?
• [57:30] Greg wraps up the show.
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