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and. Me richer doesn't Hi Marina Hello Richard, how
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are you! I'm really really well. we got so
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much to talk about this week. There's about eight
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hundred things to talk Network fun. We are talking
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about the Met Gala, something I know by the
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way it absolutely nothing about I'm looking forward to
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learning. Have been It's very jolly and will have
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allowed three that under to get invited this year.
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But other than that and he said no, right?
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No. I always talk about how you'll be fine
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of not forever as a result of that declining.
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What else are we talking about? Ultimate Clocked since
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farm? I'll just come back on Amazon Prime the
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first four episodes and it's future. I think. Might
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be quite interesting as well. Yes! and we
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will also be talking about
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the rock. Is. He in
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fact not as. You would put it
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in south the hardest working man and say
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this ah well as either imagine if we
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got to that bit movement yet he is
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as he is absolutely put sinister and liabilities
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and a half an ivy banging on about
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the Met daughter Answer me Thompson for you
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to tell me that that he really really
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works hard day Laurie listeners when not censor
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say that let started Mack. I'll add it
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to listen to this on Tuesday morning it
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is the morning after the nightmare before and
2:24
the Met dollar has sucked And this is
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a big fake a band. It's the ultimate
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fast event. At this as it's it is the
2:31
mega. Red carpet of and in the world. But.
2:33
It leaves everything else that are better than
2:35
the oscars. Yes, and you know what couple of
2:38
years. Ago some got leaked some internal presentation for
2:40
me academy in which the Oscars are saying we
2:42
need to be more light the match gotta. While
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I mean how beaten is that and the way
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it is it better than the tv quit the
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woods a coverage that I believe one that I
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say that you haven't one of them at no
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one wins at the map got what Opossums awesome
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my bets let's whole pharmacy be quick was my
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get the and know he was I wonder what
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they were going to do The guys I take.
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This city is theme is sleeping
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beauties of reawakening. Fast it again
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and is sponsored by Tic. Which
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is basically for will come. To. That's not his to
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raise money for the Metropolitan Museum of Art
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in New York, and specifically the Costume Institute
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which is is that a fashion bed at
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night. Of. The in a bit of it says the
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charity but that the charity is that these yes
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myself and it makes a lot of money. It
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makes odd and twenty million a year this one
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as and and it probably costs about six. Million
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A we them as I have. Ah the numbers
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that as numbers that a gritty significant will talk.
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Baths, it is a pop culture triumph. At
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a distinct by the time you'll wake up
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in Tuesday's this will be beamed into a
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subconscious. By every single possible powerful people
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are even discussing on things like discord
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that Instagram was the main platform, the
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opposite survey vessel event anywhere. In
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the day I met call of was one of the
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losses. New York charity parties now, loss of so and
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say she writes in New York City of older women
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who give money to the arts, blah blah blah something.
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Fraser those two And Cnc at the on the yeah,
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That Anna winds had the Editor in
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Chief of American. If you is the
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most extraordinary Titanic figure out who has in
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so many ways completely to find her way
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around. And. Saw sense. she gets control of it
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in Nineteen Ninety Five. and in those days anyone
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you will me could spend a hundred and fifty
4:11
dollars if we had it and go to the
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Us to parse you could buy a ticket to
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the Us, a posse, a case. And
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the tickets for the event itself were thousand.
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Dollars this year. Seventy for one
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ticket is seventy five thousand dollars,
4:25
which is outside you descend on
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last year. In this economy at
4:30
any level. didn't come and you know what? It
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will eclipse even Skoda. But you've got to be
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approved by on a winter's This is the most
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dictatorial amount of people. Move on grant and be
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presented the doing what you're not getting it? Is
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it? Like the David Moyes health club where you
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pay but also be and they say around you
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need to imagine he disapproved. Yeah I guess. Now
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and I went to Cheeses. it seems.
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She teases every last tiny details, But
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what happened? often? Ninety ninety Five, Be
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socialized gradually. sauce. Instead of getting bindles
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in favor of celebrities. On
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stars would desperate to get unit
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actors musicians The Kardashians tried for
5:03
years to get into this bags
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and Anna Wintour. Oversee would have had
5:07
a lot of these about how complete trash they
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were, wouldn't have let them. And then you know
5:12
Tim becomes a business woman. She's
5:14
interested, may be in prison reform, whatever
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it is something times and she thinks
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at eight seats and get me a
5:20
mega. Red Carpet name of causes party is
5:22
essentially all about arrivals. The all the stuff
5:25
you see is people arriving in this huge
5:27
tented red carpet area outside. stay active skills
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and to the Metropolitan Museum of Art now
5:31
the right kind of area which tells you
5:33
quite happy this event is. And then
5:35
you got the stairs and you have to
5:38
say counted on went the top and I
5:40
spoke to people who them six you can
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genuinely see how scares. The celebrities us to
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get hot the stuff as and sakes
5:46
her hand said. Kim Kardashian was never
5:48
allowed. Into this event. And then
5:50
eventually she got said. And rather
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than. You know what you'd expect people to
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do is they yes on t one instead me before?
5:57
I'm not gonna get what you do to say thank
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you very much. What? Would you like me who
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I because I don't want it to a huge extent
6:03
of proof what people are wet which. Labels are
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wearing this year low and Sanchez.
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See the front of the for com friend
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fake side of of holocaust a kind of
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my sources of yes oh yes phases is
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intended snow and Sanchez is going to see
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it Now this is the level of and
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went as as the for not about and
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I got my say whether I've never seen
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so happy as secretary our next I love
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this city people's and adding said Lauren and
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Scientists dresses sassy and so she's going to
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choose what she's going to I by the
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time you listen to this we will know
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whether Lauren Sanchez war Oscar De la Renta
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Sizable it's layout one of. On a winter's
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athletes are facts and Guide sees you as it
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will the times it says. Yeah
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I'm I go rats but as kind of got
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a foundation of itself which is Samantha say it
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says that so think that I'm not some real
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he's gonna turn up and fall from grace I
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okay with some great extra embarrassments well as my
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dresser takes several Oscar de la Renta for that
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money one of the Ws know domain hi this
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is a will have on them at dawn of
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seventy nine on my daughter knows me and my
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scoff at the recipe for hims that in a
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few betty people's it's have turned up a century
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and a sort of hundred thousand dollar game seat.
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Something as simple as him once had the completely
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thought that she. Was in as was against it when
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it suited as this is the one every year was the
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most. assume he looks like people spend his the how does
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not a lot of on the area. And it's huge
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and it's now Bill Southerners These dinners the full
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if you're asked me what happens in the party
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does very little does she's bundle social. Media. What
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she hates apparently is a policy where people don't
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know what they're supposed to be doing, certain everyone
7:31
who wants American Vogue and a lot of other
7:33
people besides or in mass quantities and people and
7:35
I you go over. His doesn't live
7:37
performances as. A dinner which I imagine nobody
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aids I. Mean honestly as mpeg was
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pretty. Much launched at the Met got
7:44
a couple of years ago it all
7:46
came into public explosions public consciousness when
7:48
Kim Kardashian was address that amount him
7:50
on refugees to sing happy Birthday mister
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President John F Kennedy which is now
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and buy some attractions place in Vegas
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and she'd said i've been. Say
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disciplined. I managed to get down into the
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size and three weeks nibbles at wow that's amazing She
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just they lie at steam fish and vegetables. I yeah
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I think it within a few weeks of one. Well
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only god what is this thing causes Mpeg fix? That
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is What is this as emphasis? Yeah seems. That
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the steam doesn't take fast? I know.
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Yeah, yes. The So that was. It's
8:17
a big moment that these are these huge
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moment and it's quite interesting. Focus cats it
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all on the platform it comes out and
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say.com they haven't partnered with a tv network
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will stream or anything which they could see
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this at it's core. Inevitably very watchable
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the arrivals but they belatedly got properly
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and said online and now they have.
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They've made all the right decisions but
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Instagram use take a lot of tables.
8:39
This this event and odyssey it is most
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discussed. On Instagram or was this yes
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it is partnered with supposedly soon to
8:45
be banned platform in the United States.
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Tic toc Okay I'm in. Listens goes.
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As for everything I love so far.
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yeah silver soon as it's it's own.
8:54
but go Oscar De la Renta I
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know one of now Love Oscar de
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La! One of my favorite boxes. Of
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of of of. The anyway
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see that it's it will be on T.now
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I think Instagram will fall away but his
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people would settle were once sit on take
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that's the only place the easy internally in
9:12
the party is the low was celebrities feel
9:14
like this is kind of been license bad
9:16
winter may be say they have these kind
9:19
of secret. South Korea is where everyone is
9:21
like mega famous and they're like sitting on
9:23
the floor like smoking the lays in Alaska
9:25
in a book and liberties during and lose.
9:27
yeah I mean is pretty hard to put
9:29
a single on us. Yes they have that the
9:31
i wonder whether you'll see some tic toc from and that this
9:34
yeah I said it was it. And we will see
9:36
them in a Call Me opponent next week's
9:38
Edu. You didn't see any political protest at
9:40
this event. That's honestly, do it at a
9:43
policy come back next year. To some
9:45
it seems to me he gets his enormous
9:47
can say from a being incredibly secretive. But
9:49
be people, unless I'm not, I'm not a
9:51
sesame started on a bridge. Awesome. Anything. but
9:54
you know or not. But it seems to
9:56
me that People Mcpherson absolutely love fashion. and
9:58
this is the absolute. Ultimate night to
10:00
have it. It's about a museum dedicated to
10:03
fashion. It's run by a woman, is sort
10:05
of sat at the world at the top
10:07
of the world affection for many, many years,
10:09
and it is attended by people. He literally.
10:12
A door at So anyone who was offensive
10:14
and is like the World Cup? yeah. For
10:16
hims, it's a wealth of of the all
10:18
right competence. Yes, this is. Like please Our
10:20
them god these like Staples himself and
10:22
your had an absolutely insane on a
10:24
Sunday once went to a celebrity party
10:26
out wearing a mask. The people didn't
10:29
know who they were and is it's
10:31
unbelievable that like none of the other
10:33
celebrities talk to me until it's my
10:35
mask off and then he went a
10:37
man is it I understood I understood
10:39
then why why people spoke to me
10:41
closer than ever to.is yeah that's. That's.
10:44
Around getting isn't a Yes Haunting? Yes, I'm
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so now people can flick through Tic Toc
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Instagram Every single nice with will be full
10:50
of these incredible Am costumes and it cost
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out of any call them from Nuts Man
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in. You know, let lessons as
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he has to be not nothing. That a
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party as quite obvious that know the opening
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registered in the puppet clutch this not like
11:03
everyone I saw this thing is as an
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and is entirely athletes the Oscars That having
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said all of our if I can return
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tailored thing. Arable land and. Jeremy.
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the most money which of course is nonsense
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any. Seven hours is fine exactly. And that's
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why is the I think the real heroes
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then after that brouhaha the Bbc when
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signed in. The Vegas, the mega bucks theory
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a hundreds of millions between comps and then
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this is on terrestrial it would probably be
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the only south and think of I see
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about it because it. Comes. From
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farm. And like anyone who comes in and says, like, doing
18:05
this, you're going to go, oh, no. But
18:07
they said they went along. So the people helping him on the farm
18:09
were Charlie, Gerald and
18:12
Caleb. They were all there in place. The
18:14
first ever tasters tapers got all of them
18:16
on. They were really running this farm. Charlie's
18:18
the land agent, we should say, and the
18:20
advisor who's unbelievably good. Amazing, because he absolutely
18:24
does not play up to a camera. No. Anyway,
18:26
his job all the way through, which is why
18:28
it's such a great show, is Clarkson can say
18:30
whatever he wants, whatever hair brain scheme. And then
18:32
Charlie goes, here's the reality of farming in modern
18:34
Britain. And it's sort of devastating. That's
18:37
a great character. Yeah, but
18:39
it has this gravitas because you, I mean,
18:41
you're hearing tragic stories and you hear this
18:43
kind of the impossibility of making these things
18:45
work. We should say he's probably getting about
18:48
10 million a series from Amazon, not Charlie.
18:52
So going to and he's very upfront about the
18:54
fact that why this works. It is fascinating that it
18:56
is a show about something. I mean, Top Gear is
18:58
not about something is the truth. It was lovely. It's
19:00
got cars and we're mucking about, but it's not about
19:02
something. This is a show you can't, you can't watch
19:05
a series of this and not understand the countryside more
19:07
and not understand farming more and not understand that industry
19:09
more and not understand the difficulties. People are running any
19:11
sort of business are facing it. It has a lot
19:13
of truth at the bottom of it. The thing
19:15
that I do think that is absolutely great about
19:17
Andy Wilman is that he is like one of
19:20
those old style Hollywood producers in a way who
19:22
understood a screen persona. And I would
19:24
argue that there's a bloodline to Clarkson's Top Gear
19:26
persona in this show in that he is kind
19:28
of like an amateur, but he knows a lot
19:30
about the subject and he has her own schemes
19:33
and what have you. And he now
19:35
says, Oh, I was just playing a character on Top
19:37
Gear, which I think is well, to some extent he
19:39
is because it's a screen persona. And it is so
19:41
brilliant that screen persona, but it has evolved. Well,
19:43
it's interesting that his whole career, I think he sort
19:46
of is a bit of a wink. Certainly
19:49
people who do know him well and met him, you
19:51
hear an awful lot of good things. About
19:53
him, but then you read some of the stuff, you go, there's
19:55
a trouble with being a persona is, you
19:57
can push it over a certain line. certainly
20:00
a lot of people who play a persona for a
20:02
long time become that persona because that's where the money
20:04
is And you can see
20:07
that culturally at the moment lots of people who
20:09
started appealing to a certain base It's the only
20:11
way they've got to go Clarkson is able to
20:13
pivot because he's got more if you can't give
20:15
it It is diminishing returns. Yeah, and you have
20:18
to get more and more awful Actually,
20:20
you need to keep a version of yourself.
20:22
It's a bit. I mean, sorry
20:24
if I've told this story before I feel like
20:27
being on a podcast a bit like being drunk. You're
20:29
causing me did I say that five minutes? And
20:31
also with drunk For
20:35
Humphrey Bogart, they didn't know what to do with him or
20:37
Warner Brothers. They didn't know what to You
20:40
have said this okay, I'm sure they got played vicars
20:42
They kept putting him in movies thinking who are
20:44
you who are you and eventually they put him
20:46
as I said before I've definitely said this one before
20:49
the third version of the Maltese fork whenever and they're
20:51
like Oh, I see your Humphrey Bogart But it took
20:53
a while to realize strangely and then forever after you've
20:55
you play that you know But this is
20:57
what the old studio in the golden era of Hollywood They
21:00
spent ages trying to find out what your
21:02
persona was and then as lots of
21:04
the actors ended out hating You're made
21:06
to pay a version of that forever and to get
21:08
back to Clarkson He has adapted that
21:11
and that is the key thing but it
21:13
retains elements of the original and I think
21:15
that this version of him Which I suspect
21:18
is slightly nearer the truth Yeah, I think
21:20
he can say all this very
21:22
very very very very nicely for the rest
21:24
of his career as you say It's
21:26
really serious issues and he's highlighted so
21:28
many the kind of fast of British
21:30
bureaucracy Which is what because season two was I
21:32
guess the narrative spine of that was we want
21:34
to open a restaurant and they managed it And
21:36
then it's like now the restaurant has to be
21:39
shot It is honestly like this has
21:41
a bloodline that goes back to things like passport to pimba
21:43
code and things like that And it's
21:45
an understanding of a particular type
21:47
of British farce weirdly So
21:49
lots of the time I think of this
21:51
as a show that works so well because
21:53
it adopts those tropes of fiction and the
21:55
structures Of it, you know that you'll have an A-plot
21:57
in an episode and a B-plot and sometimes a C-plot And
22:00
then of course it looks effortless when you're watching
22:02
it and I know this is something we expect
22:04
But the reason this works so well is because
22:06
someone has thought about it that carefully all the
22:08
way through and it comes off As effortless which
22:10
is how you know, it's a win I mean
22:12
it's interesting with Clarkson because obviously the reason you
22:15
got five from the BBC was supposedly assaulting a
22:17
member of production team And it was quite likely
22:19
a hot supper. So you didn't get a hot
22:21
supper I spoke to people again on this show
22:23
who said he could not to be nicer So,
22:25
you know You have to sort of applaud
22:27
that my two real encounters with Clarkson The
22:30
first one was after he'd been fired the
22:32
first thing he did back was he hosted
22:34
have I got news for you? He
22:38
hadn't been on TV certainly hadn't been on the BBC
22:41
Since he got fired and I was on the panel that
22:43
week and you know, I'm a cool summer
22:45
fully paid up member of the producers Union
22:48
so, you know, I'd never try and be horrible
22:50
or mean to anyone but I absolutely Did
22:53
jokes all the way through at his expense.
22:55
Yeah, people were furious on Twitter So it's
22:57
the only time really I've ever on Twitter
22:59
gone. Oh, this is that's interesting This is
23:01
what yeah like and it was fascinating that
23:03
everyone would write exactly the same thing Like
23:05
there was a template that you would copy
23:07
and yeah I found
23:09
it sociologically interesting. Yeah one person
23:11
who didn't take offense at all Jeremy Clarkson That really
23:14
lovely chat after this, you know, I was doing stuff
23:16
off the cuff. He was he's the chairman on that
23:18
show Yeah getting paid ten times more than the panelists
23:20
all his jokes of that so I'm just whiffing and
23:23
then I was on who wants to be millionaire when
23:25
he was hosting and There's
23:27
a lifeline now, which is asked Jeremy instead
23:29
of asking the audience and I
23:31
used that lifeline on the question that cost me
23:34
90,000 pounds so he got his revenge And
23:40
it's of course there are issues with Clarkson's
23:42
public behavior and what have you but if
23:44
we're just taking this one show on its
23:46
Merits, I think it does an awful lot
23:49
of good Yeah, he's done
23:51
that very rare thing which he's created Something
23:53
that is loved by people in the industry In
23:55
which it concerns Yeah, and also people who
23:57
know absolutely nothing about farming. That is the
23:59
you get it. he can sit beside it.
24:01
also. you can have the specificity. I that
24:03
people in farming recognize all these things. I
24:06
think they are genuinely. Someone saying this and then
24:08
people have nothing to do with it. Think both us
24:10
a lotta and think more about how. The. Things go
24:12
into that place or wherever, whatever it is. One
24:15
thing I will say is what she's done
24:17
on this idea that so country fall of
24:19
which has to be busy so no sunny
24:21
set to it and dealing with similar issues
24:23
perhaps to this has to stop. Talking about
24:25
these things and has now become
24:27
I seen on she's a worldwide
24:29
market were using as that we
24:31
using authors that will come out
24:33
that way judge Everybody has become
24:35
white man. And as a single audience
24:37
asserts that we covered to couple of weeks
24:39
ago on the podcast shows this that so
24:42
now Skis Neighbors I sang do not for
24:44
farm give a Shit So. That's
24:46
easy. Yeah, he's followed a mainstream.
24:48
As it jumps is a bellwether. Yes,
24:51
I do Isabelle something as the overton
24:53
window is precisely on. A never is
24:55
a sense among some people that this is
24:57
a better way to explore those issues and
24:59
the country fall to some extent has got
25:01
on a side tracked. Talking about other things
25:03
that don't. Really? Reflect the experience of
25:05
life on farms in the countryside on
25:07
the issues that this is always going
25:09
to be more captivating and was is
25:12
much much much much higher budget. However
25:15
many things yes, but your company was was an
25:17
absolute sidebars. A really interesting one. Again that day
25:19
hunt erupts. he turns around Channel Four when she
25:21
was that Bbc was like a little Sunday afternoon.
25:24
Some Cm one who wants to know if you
25:26
put the some prime time and made this about
25:28
the British countryside more than just farming. yeah seems
25:30
to be huge him turned into the biggest so
25:33
I'm that is T V. Split figure it's
25:35
it's in his dna or as a
25:37
Sunday on said. I don't think it
25:39
was evident as we speak as but
25:41
Stevie was it's twenty five? yeah you
25:43
think? Oh uh no really. Bowser idea.
25:45
Eight nine million every Sunday night. Like
25:47
crazy numbers. Plan will because
25:49
it's the British countryside people. Absolutely love.
25:52
Watching. The countryside but I found most corrected
25:54
any day now. But so you're right it
25:56
look as if one us anymore hibbert you
25:58
know. The answer started. educational program for
26:00
farmers. And every day for farming. And that's
26:02
changed over the years.
26:05
That's got a few details, yes. And there
26:07
was a thing a couple of years ago
26:09
with the Meghan Markle comments and Amazon, it
26:11
was reported that they weren't going to be
26:13
making any more. This is Clarkson's Meghan Markle.
26:15
Not Countryfile, not John Craven, who
26:18
has been thus far suspiciously silent
26:20
on the subject of Meghan Markle. It
26:22
was reported I think that they weren't going to
26:24
renew the contract. I
26:26
would be shocked beyond words if this doesn't run and run
26:29
and run. I think Clarkson's farm is
26:31
going to be with us for a
26:33
long time. Absolutely, yeah. And
26:35
someone from Amazon last
26:37
year said Clarkson's farm is
26:41
bigger than Clarkson. And in a way
26:43
that's right because of the things we're talking about in that
26:45
it's about something that's bigger than Clarkson and it tells us
26:47
something more important than Top
26:49
Gear used to tell us. But on
26:51
the other hand, it's... I'm going to go
26:53
without him. Exactly. It's not bigger than Clarkson.
26:55
He's such a kind of colossus on TV
26:57
and he's so kind of... People love watching
26:59
him so much and he does interesting things.
27:01
So listen, he's spent his entire career in
27:03
the court of the freaking chance, hasn't he?
27:06
But at the moment, he's literally making hay.
27:09
Very good. Yeah. If I was going to
27:11
the Met Gala, I would go dressed as
27:13
Caleb in his tractor. Yes. Yeah. That's what
27:15
I'd like for... For the $100,000 budget. Yeah,
27:17
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welcome back from the break, everybody. Welcome
29:15
back, everybody. Let's go straight into the
29:18
rock. Self-styled hardest working
29:20
man in Shabiz. Now, last
29:22
week an article came out in
29:24
The Wrap that was extremely well-sourced.
29:26
I think they talked well
29:29
into double figures on the
29:31
background of the rock's forthcoming film, which
29:33
was pushed a long time and the
29:35
budgets ballooned, blah, blah. Red
29:37
One. It's like some big new movie for Amazon,
29:39
some, you know, Santa action
29:41
bullshit. Anyway, we don't care about that. Yeah,
29:43
everyone. I wouldn't have
29:46
called it Red One. Yeah. You know what I would
29:48
have called it? Santa action bullshit. Right.
29:52
Santa action bullshit working title. Is this
29:54
supposed to be an embryonic franchise? We'll
29:57
see about that. OK, but what's happened is. That
30:00
people are fed a big part of the
30:02
reason why the why the buys explained by
30:04
the way I'm is in denial this and
30:06
say it's totally normal of the budget were
30:08
blamed by fifty million dollars is the rocks
30:10
lateness now like I'm so thrilled this is
30:12
come out because I spoke to people to
30:15
his most recent films and let me tell
30:17
you something the wrong is a Diva I'm
30:19
sorry that's. The reality A case people say
30:21
he is solely on to Sat in the
30:23
article basis I. Was sure that you know
30:25
of put right and might another star. Dwayne
30:27
Johnson says this isn't the case or the
30:30
have to decide about four hours later. That
30:33
took a long time to get about so we'll see when.
30:35
Cool! Yeah, A for all six of any to do. Now
30:38
what he does is he will turn up
30:40
so late. Set in this A if you've
30:42
ever been on a cell. Satanists is obviously
30:44
particularly to the type of me busy. Thousand
30:46
to these big blockbuster movies that have
30:49
cruz of hundreds of people. Now
30:51
on the crew in as a rocks got
30:53
a massive try to will come. To the
30:55
things in his trade, the short list. A
30:57
massive trailer he gets picks up black colleges and
30:59
amazed palatial plays that com it a sense so
31:01
lot people on that crazy you have to go
31:04
that way you know the quit the people he
31:06
set everything up set get a so ali they
31:08
try themselves that and that drives and says back
31:10
at the end of the day and you up
31:12
that bargaining on fantasy. Thing by it's the
31:14
wrote will give you. Four. Or
31:17
five hours. According to the people who spoke to
31:19
this article I come out with a rock. Denies
31:21
this thought of this is borne out by some
31:23
the as some people I've talked to until his
31:25
Macys of Folks and. You know what
31:27
happens is he puts hundreds of people on
31:29
often very low incomes standing around doing up
31:31
see nothing so the try it on pull
31:34
up things and twenty different things going to
31:36
shoot random stuff you'll probably never going to
31:38
used to see people can be occupied and
31:40
then he turns out not sensible as as
31:42
a law that says. It will tell you
31:44
that the hardest working person inside as I
31:46
remembered Chow Butler saying nobody on this ah
31:48
what's harder than May While now when the
31:50
U N d those reports into like in
31:53
a who who has the toughest of racism
31:55
us it's like Salt Mine as and Hazmat
31:57
divers and Philippine a fisherman. They
31:59
never mention. being Gerald Butler as one of
32:01
those. It's never in the list. I'd say
32:03
being an actual butler would be harder work.
32:06
Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, really another backbreaking
32:08
day down the dressing up line. Come on.
32:10
Okay. You are so fated and coddled if
32:12
you are an actor. And this is not
32:14
to denigrate, you know, obviously the rock is a huge
32:16
star and people go to the cinema to see him
32:18
and people love him wrestling and all of that. And
32:20
there's something about that that's ineffable and that you, you
32:22
know, you can't buy it, although it is quite expensive.
32:25
He can open a movie and almost no one
32:27
can. Yeah. It's in your film. Very hard. Yeah.
32:29
But you can't imagine what his day on set
32:31
is like. I mean, there are people who
32:33
are giving you absolutely every kind of thing,
32:35
your every need is attended to. Now, here
32:38
is something that came out in this article, which has
32:40
actually really been come out before, is
32:42
that the rock pees in water bottles,
32:44
because you can't be bothered to go, as they call
32:46
it on a movie set, go 10-1, which is when
32:49
actors stepping off the set to go to the loo.
32:51
10-1 is. Yeah. And you see everyone
32:53
on the walkies going, yeah, it's just going 10-1. But
32:55
they on the walkie talkies, all the runners, all the
32:57
assistants, as the actress coming to set, you'll see something
32:59
that just stepping on another rock stepping on and it
33:02
will go down all the walkies, almost like a
33:04
receiving line on his sort of 30 metre walk
33:06
to set. That happens. Do you know what? My
33:08
favourite bit about being a TV presenter rather than
33:10
TV producer is when you walk on
33:13
the floor and like four people go, yeah, the
33:15
boys are on the floor. The boys are on
33:17
the floor. Like, oh, yeah, that's amazing. I'm one
33:19
of the boys. So the rock will go in
33:21
a specific brand of water bottle that is named
33:24
a Voss water bottle. This is quite big. Anyway, I don't
33:26
want to get into that. But
33:28
the rock will use that. Now, of
33:30
course, like all rock stories, once it's
33:33
come out, he finds a way to repurpose
33:35
this to make himself sound like the hardest working
33:37
man to show, as opposed to someone who just
33:39
literally hands an assistant bottles of his own urine,
33:41
like, on. Okay. So
33:43
he'll say, yeah, you know what? I don't even
33:45
want to step off set. I don't even, I'm
33:48
essentially the hardest working guy. And I
33:50
don't want to leave the gym when I'm doing a
33:52
workout. So yeah, I'll pee on bottles. But you know,
33:54
sue me for being hardworking. Well, I kind of want
33:56
to see you for having me a bottle of urine. I'm
34:00
surprised he hasn't marketed it. Yeah, so
34:02
am I. It's coming. You know if you've
34:04
got foxes in your back garden, you use
34:06
tiger urine to get rid of
34:09
them. But I bet that rocks urine would do the job as
34:11
well. Well, he has got a tequila brand, which I'm now wary
34:13
of trying. By the way,
34:16
everybody has got a tequila brand. I know. And
34:18
his tequila brand, and also everyone's tequila brand is worth
34:20
$3 billion. I know, how is
34:22
this possible? Again, that's one for the rest
34:24
of his money. Yeah, I would actually love
34:26
to know that. How are, given no one
34:28
really drinks tequila. Well, they do, but they
34:30
always immediately regret it. Yeah, like a bit,
34:32
but it doesn't like wine or beer. And
34:34
I'll tell you, this is a sipping tequila.
34:36
I'm sorry, what? Come on, mate. What's
34:39
a sipping tequila? Three billion. I
34:41
shouldn't have thought so. I would love to know the
34:43
answer to that question. That's such a good point. Yeah,
34:45
why are all tequila brands worth $3 billion is our
34:47
question. Yeah, riddle me that rest of his money, because
34:50
I'd like to know. Okay, we're asking,
34:52
why has this story about the rock come
34:54
out now? I think the rock is trying
34:56
to do something, okay, because having said all this ridiculous
34:58
stuff about him, because he is obviously a ridiculous
35:00
thing. Here, can I just read out one Instagram
35:02
post? Yes, please. Which is my favorite one ever.
35:04
Okay, he's got, oh, I'm going to find it
35:06
again, excuse me. I can
35:08
fill in with a Humphrey Bogart anecdote. Okay,
35:12
there's a brick, one of my favorite ever
35:14
Instagram posts from the rock, who obviously I'm
35:16
obsessed with, is him sitting at a
35:18
large, large wooden table in his
35:20
trailer. This is his caption, secret
35:23
weapon. Many productive meetings and big
35:25
business deals have been sealed with a handshake that
35:27
my GSB gets shit done table
35:29
that's inside my trailer. This
35:32
table holds a lot of great mana, brackets,
35:34
spirit slash power and
35:37
energy. And if these wood slabs could
35:39
talk while it's best they can't for
35:41
national security purposes. Wow. Ladies and
35:43
gentlemen, the rock, the hardest working guy in Shabbos,
35:46
but. Available at B&Q hashtag ad. I
35:50
can either get shit down the table, please. I want one so
35:52
much. Exactly, oh God, we've got to put it
35:54
together. Oh no, do you know what? Forget this get shit done
35:56
table. I can't be bothered. Get
35:58
one of the greats to do it. What I
36:00
would say is that ahead of the big WWE
36:03
weekend, he came back for it, you know, age 104. I'm
36:06
joking, but nearly to be in the ring.
36:09
He did a big interview with Fox News, choice
36:11
of outlet relevant, I feel, saying because
36:13
he's always been linked strangely
36:15
with the United States presidency. And people have
36:17
always said, are you going to run? And he said, look, you
36:19
know, I don't want to, you know, and he's often said, yeah,
36:22
it is my goal and I want to do it. And
36:24
now, now, you know, he's really serious
36:26
because he's saying, look, I've, you know, I've
36:28
got no ambitions. Below me. What he did
36:30
say is he endorsed Biden last time around.
36:33
And he said, this time I'm
36:35
not endorsing anyone because my endorsement
36:37
caused an incredible amount of division in
36:39
our country. Yeah, that was that was that was the
36:41
thing, wasn't it? Big market mover on that election. Yeah.
36:44
And he said he
36:47
came up for Susan Hall in the London mayoral elections as
36:49
well, didn't he? He is. Yeah,
36:51
he is the Barbara Streisand of election. No, actually
36:53
no Biden won. Sorry.
36:55
So about the Streisand, of course, famously, and
36:58
it endorses the things that candidates aren't going
37:00
to win. So he
37:02
he sort of it feels to a lot
37:04
of people like he's repositioning himself for a run.
37:06
And he said, and is he would he actually
37:09
run as a Republican? I mean, it's so mad. People have
37:11
said to him that you could be the president, although we
37:13
do know that you can be extremely lazy. Yeah. I've
37:16
been president. You can basically play golf all day.
37:18
Exactly. So he naming their names. Yeah. And you
37:20
can you can probably hand bottles of urine to
37:22
your. Yeah, I think that's basic, isn't it? Yeah.
37:25
Funnily enough, the the sitcom Young Rock,
37:28
which is based on his sort of
37:30
younger days, the framing of that is
37:32
Dwayne Johnson running for president in 2032.
37:35
He also claimed that two
37:37
years ago, both parties
37:39
approached him about running in this
37:41
election. Yeah. Yeah.
37:43
OK. OK, Rock. But
37:46
and he's had to say no for now. So
37:48
he's really keeping it open. So I wonder whether
37:50
people are just like I
37:53
would they think he's maybe skewing to this
37:55
iteration of the Republican Party, which is beyond
37:57
the pale for a lot of people, whether
37:59
people. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered so much
38:01
and I wonder whether people are
38:03
now becoming willing to talk about the
38:06
actual rock versus screen persona Yeah, we
38:08
can return to personas But
38:10
it would be that would be quite something but I but you
38:12
know the parties probably did say we'd love you to run for
38:14
President because you just want them to support you, right? So this
38:16
is one of those fun ones that um Will
38:19
we play it back to us in ten years
38:21
time? So do you remember what you're having that
38:23
big old laugh about the rock running for president
38:25
being lazy look at him now Yeah, I should
38:27
say that I mean genuinely stranger things have happened
38:29
My Stranger
38:31
darker things have happened and probably could again
38:34
so I'm the rock, you know,
38:36
I don't want to say that that would be a It
38:39
would be a trade-up, but it would certainly be watchable
38:42
Listen, it would it would open big. He could
38:44
open the United States. That's a guy who can
38:47
you can sell tickets to an election Yeah, that's
38:49
for sure Um,
38:51
that was a patch show wasn't it? It was
38:53
got met Gala the rock Clarkson very jolly I'd
38:56
love to see them all united in some format
38:58
or other you could come up with that but
39:00
that's the show, isn't it? Yeah, that would watch
39:02
talking would watch recommendations I have
39:04
a recommendation which is a returning BBC one show
39:06
that is absolutely mega the responder Stars Martin Freeman
39:09
as a sort of night crop if you watch
39:11
the first series, you know how good it is
39:13
But the second one is just returned and
39:15
is terrific And we
39:17
just finished watching the the ITV drama red
39:19
eye which I loved it set on a
39:21
plane between Beijing and London
39:24
and it's absurd but just the right side
39:26
of absurd and it's lots
39:28
of good payoffs I've really really enjoyed that
39:30
but also the wonderful novelist CJ Sansom died
39:33
last week And so I would recommend
39:35
if you've not read any of his shard Lake
39:37
novel. Absolutely brilliant. The first
39:40
one is a dissolution It's my mom's
39:42
favorite Time so
39:44
I said to my mom with you. Would you tell me why
39:46
you love CJ sense and so much? So if you don't mind
39:48
Oh, no, contribute to CJ sense and this is what my mom
39:50
said To Me CJ Sansom
39:52
was the best writer of historical fiction of our
39:54
era. He Made the times of which he wrote
39:56
come vividly to life, not by accounts of momentous
39:58
events in our history. The to the lies
40:00
of the little people, to the journey Santa took
40:03
and the sounds and smells that surrounded them. His
40:05
toys all set against the baton historical events we've
40:07
all heard of. the Dissolution of the Monasteries, The
40:09
Cynthia, the Mary Rose we come across Henry the
40:12
Eighth Custom current on com else but these incidental
40:14
to the lives of the rest. Matty.
40:16
Salt Lake is one of the nicest
40:18
terrorism omelet jet see such a decent
40:20
human being so convincingly written The cannot
40:22
help but empathize with his many trials
40:24
and tribulations. I will miss him so
40:26
much. Ah thank you Brenda say scientists
40:28
handsome Honestly wonder thought he was an
40:30
absolute genius. I q s his mom
40:32
thank you Brenda and a think humor
40:34
in it was fun that was brilliant.
40:36
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