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The Met Gala, The Rock & Clarkson's Return

The Met Gala, The Rock & Clarkson's Return

Released Monday, 6th May 2024
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The Met Gala, The Rock & Clarkson's Return

Monday, 6th May 2024
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and. Me richer doesn't Hi Marina Hello Richard, how

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are you! I'm really really well. we got so

1:26

much to talk about this week. There's about eight

1:28

hundred things to talk Network fun. We are talking

1:31

about the Met Gala, something I know by the

1:33

way it absolutely nothing about I'm looking forward to

1:35

learning. Have been It's very jolly and will have

1:37

allowed three that under to get invited this year.

1:39

But other than that and he said no, right?

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No. I always talk about how you'll be fine

1:44

of not forever as a result of that declining.

1:46

What else are we talking about? Ultimate Clocked since

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farm? I'll just come back on Amazon Prime the

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first four episodes and it's future. I think. Might

1:52

be quite interesting as well. Yes! and we

1:54

will also be talking about

1:56

the rock. Is. He in

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fact not as. You would put it

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in south the hardest working man and say

2:03

this ah well as either imagine if we

2:05

got to that bit movement yet he is

2:07

as he is absolutely put sinister and liabilities

2:09

and a half an ivy banging on about

2:11

the Met daughter Answer me Thompson for you

2:13

to tell me that that he really really

2:16

works hard day Laurie listeners when not censor

2:18

say that let started Mack. I'll add it

2:20

to listen to this on Tuesday morning it

2:22

is the morning after the nightmare before and

2:24

the Met dollar has sucked And this is

2:26

a big fake a band. It's the ultimate

2:28

fast event. At this as it's it is the

2:31

mega. Red carpet of and in the world. But.

2:33

It leaves everything else that are better than

2:35

the oscars. Yes, and you know what couple of

2:38

years. Ago some got leaked some internal presentation for

2:40

me academy in which the Oscars are saying we

2:42

need to be more light the match gotta. While

2:44

I mean how beaten is that and the way

2:46

it is it better than the tv quit the

2:48

woods a coverage that I believe one that I

2:50

say that you haven't one of them at no

2:52

one wins at the map got what Opossums awesome

2:54

my bets let's whole pharmacy be quick was my

2:56

get the and know he was I wonder what

2:58

they were going to do The guys I take.

3:01

This city is theme is sleeping

3:03

beauties of reawakening. Fast it again

3:05

and is sponsored by Tic. Which

3:07

is basically for will come. To. That's not his to

3:09

raise money for the Metropolitan Museum of Art

3:11

in New York, and specifically the Costume Institute

3:13

which is is that a fashion bed at

3:15

night. Of. The in a bit of it says the

3:18

charity but that the charity is that these yes

3:20

myself and it makes a lot of money. It

3:22

makes odd and twenty million a year this one

3:24

as and and it probably costs about six. Million

3:26

A we them as I have. Ah the numbers

3:28

that as numbers that a gritty significant will talk.

3:30

Baths, it is a pop culture triumph. At

3:32

a distinct by the time you'll wake up

3:34

in Tuesday's this will be beamed into a

3:36

subconscious. By every single possible powerful people

3:38

are even discussing on things like discord

3:41

that Instagram was the main platform, the

3:43

opposite survey vessel event anywhere. In

3:45

the day I met call of was one of the

3:48

losses. New York charity parties now, loss of so and

3:50

say she writes in New York City of older women

3:52

who give money to the arts, blah blah blah something.

3:54

Fraser those two And Cnc at the on the yeah,

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That Anna winds had the Editor in

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Chief of American. If you is the

4:01

most extraordinary Titanic figure out who has in

4:03

so many ways completely to find her way

4:05

around. And. Saw sense. she gets control of it

4:07

in Nineteen Ninety Five. and in those days anyone

4:09

you will me could spend a hundred and fifty

4:11

dollars if we had it and go to the

4:14

Us to parse you could buy a ticket to

4:16

the Us, a posse, a case. And

4:19

the tickets for the event itself were thousand.

4:21

Dollars this year. Seventy for one

4:23

ticket is seventy five thousand dollars,

4:25

which is outside you descend on

4:27

last year. In this economy at

4:30

any level. didn't come and you know what? It

4:32

will eclipse even Skoda. But you've got to be

4:34

approved by on a winter's This is the most

4:36

dictatorial amount of people. Move on grant and be

4:38

presented the doing what you're not getting it? Is

4:41

it? Like the David Moyes health club where you

4:43

pay but also be and they say around you

4:45

need to imagine he disapproved. Yeah I guess. Now

4:48

and I went to Cheeses. it seems.

4:50

She teases every last tiny details, But

4:52

what happened? often? Ninety ninety Five, Be

4:54

socialized gradually. sauce. Instead of getting bindles

4:56

in favor of celebrities. On

4:58

stars would desperate to get unit

5:01

actors musicians The Kardashians tried for

5:03

years to get into this bags

5:05

and Anna Wintour. Oversee would have had

5:07

a lot of these about how complete trash they

5:10

were, wouldn't have let them. And then you know

5:12

Tim becomes a business woman. She's

5:14

interested, may be in prison reform, whatever

5:16

it is something times and she thinks

5:18

at eight seats and get me a

5:20

mega. Red Carpet name of causes party is

5:22

essentially all about arrivals. The all the stuff

5:25

you see is people arriving in this huge

5:27

tented red carpet area outside. stay active skills

5:29

and to the Metropolitan Museum of Art now

5:31

the right kind of area which tells you

5:33

quite happy this event is. And then

5:35

you got the stairs and you have to

5:38

say counted on went the top and I

5:40

spoke to people who them six you can

5:42

genuinely see how scares. The celebrities us to

5:44

get hot the stuff as and sakes

5:46

her hand said. Kim Kardashian was never

5:48

allowed. Into this event. And then

5:50

eventually she got said. And rather

5:52

than. You know what you'd expect people to

5:55

do is they yes on t one instead me before?

5:57

I'm not gonna get what you do to say thank

5:59

you very much. What? Would you like me who

6:01

I because I don't want it to a huge extent

6:03

of proof what people are wet which. Labels are

6:05

wearing this year low and Sanchez.

6:07

See the front of the for com friend

6:10

fake side of of holocaust a kind of

6:12

my sources of yes oh yes phases is

6:14

intended snow and Sanchez is going to see

6:16

it Now this is the level of and

6:18

went as as the for not about and

6:21

I got my say whether I've never seen

6:23

so happy as secretary our next I love

6:25

this city people's and adding said Lauren and

6:27

Scientists dresses sassy and so she's going to

6:29

choose what she's going to I by the

6:31

time you listen to this we will know

6:34

whether Lauren Sanchez war Oscar De la Renta

6:36

Sizable it's layout one of. On a winter's

6:38

athletes are facts and Guide sees you as it

6:40

will the times it says. Yeah

6:42

I'm I go rats but as kind of got

6:44

a foundation of itself which is Samantha say it

6:47

says that so think that I'm not some real

6:49

he's gonna turn up and fall from grace I

6:51

okay with some great extra embarrassments well as my

6:53

dresser takes several Oscar de la Renta for that

6:55

money one of the Ws know domain hi this

6:58

is a will have on them at dawn of

7:00

seventy nine on my daughter knows me and my

7:02

scoff at the recipe for hims that in a

7:04

few betty people's it's have turned up a century

7:07

and a sort of hundred thousand dollar game seat.

7:09

Something as simple as him once had the completely

7:11

thought that she. Was in as was against it when

7:13

it suited as this is the one every year was the

7:15

most. assume he looks like people spend his the how does

7:18

not a lot of on the area. And it's huge

7:20

and it's now Bill Southerners These dinners the full

7:22

if you're asked me what happens in the party

7:24

does very little does she's bundle social. Media. What

7:27

she hates apparently is a policy where people don't

7:29

know what they're supposed to be doing, certain everyone

7:31

who wants American Vogue and a lot of other

7:33

people besides or in mass quantities and people and

7:35

I you go over. His doesn't live

7:37

performances as. A dinner which I imagine nobody

7:40

aids I. Mean honestly as mpeg was

7:42

pretty. Much launched at the Met got

7:44

a couple of years ago it all

7:46

came into public explosions public consciousness when

7:48

Kim Kardashian was address that amount him

7:50

on refugees to sing happy Birthday mister

7:53

President John F Kennedy which is now

7:55

and buy some attractions place in Vegas

7:57

and she'd said i've been. Say

7:59

disciplined. I managed to get down into the

8:01

size and three weeks nibbles at wow that's amazing She

8:03

just they lie at steam fish and vegetables. I yeah

8:05

I think it within a few weeks of one. Well

8:08

only god what is this thing causes Mpeg fix? That

8:10

is What is this as emphasis? Yeah seems. That

8:13

the steam doesn't take fast? I know.

8:15

Yeah, yes. The So that was. It's

8:17

a big moment that these are these huge

8:20

moment and it's quite interesting. Focus cats it

8:22

all on the platform it comes out and

8:24

say.com they haven't partnered with a tv network

8:26

will stream or anything which they could see

8:28

this at it's core. Inevitably very watchable

8:30

the arrivals but they belatedly got properly

8:33

and said online and now they have.

8:35

They've made all the right decisions but

8:37

Instagram use take a lot of tables.

8:39

This this event and odyssey it is most

8:41

discussed. On Instagram or was this yes

8:43

it is partnered with supposedly soon to

8:45

be banned platform in the United States.

8:47

Tic toc Okay I'm in. Listens goes.

8:49

As for everything I love so far.

8:52

yeah silver soon as it's it's own.

8:54

but go Oscar De la Renta I

8:56

know one of now Love Oscar de

8:58

La! One of my favorite boxes. Of

9:01

of of of. The anyway

9:03

see that it's it will be on T.now

9:06

I think Instagram will fall away but his

9:08

people would settle were once sit on take

9:10

that's the only place the easy internally in

9:12

the party is the low was celebrities feel

9:14

like this is kind of been license bad

9:16

winter may be say they have these kind

9:19

of secret. South Korea is where everyone is

9:21

like mega famous and they're like sitting on

9:23

the floor like smoking the lays in Alaska

9:25

in a book and liberties during and lose.

9:27

yeah I mean is pretty hard to put

9:29

a single on us. Yes they have that the

9:31

i wonder whether you'll see some tic toc from and that this

9:34

yeah I said it was it. And we will see

9:36

them in a Call Me opponent next week's

9:38

Edu. You didn't see any political protest at

9:40

this event. That's honestly, do it at a

9:43

policy come back next year. To some

9:45

it seems to me he gets his enormous

9:47

can say from a being incredibly secretive. But

9:49

be people, unless I'm not, I'm not a

9:51

sesame started on a bridge. Awesome. Anything. but

9:54

you know or not. But it seems to

9:56

me that People Mcpherson absolutely love fashion. and

9:58

this is the absolute. Ultimate night to

10:00

have it. It's about a museum dedicated to

10:03

fashion. It's run by a woman, is sort

10:05

of sat at the world at the top

10:07

of the world affection for many, many years,

10:09

and it is attended by people. He literally.

10:12

A door at So anyone who was offensive

10:14

and is like the World Cup? yeah. For

10:16

hims, it's a wealth of of the all

10:18

right competence. Yes, this is. Like please Our

10:20

them god these like Staples himself and

10:22

your had an absolutely insane on a

10:24

Sunday once went to a celebrity party

10:26

out wearing a mask. The people didn't

10:29

know who they were and is it's

10:31

unbelievable that like none of the other

10:33

celebrities talk to me until it's my

10:35

mask off and then he went a

10:37

man is it I understood I understood

10:39

then why why people spoke to me

10:41

closer than ever to.is yeah that's. That's.

10:44

Around getting isn't a Yes Haunting? Yes, I'm

10:46

so now people can flick through Tic Toc

10:48

Instagram Every single nice with will be full

10:50

of these incredible Am costumes and it cost

10:53

out of any call them from Nuts Man

10:55

in. You know, let lessons as

10:57

he has to be not nothing. That a

10:59

party as quite obvious that know the opening

11:01

registered in the puppet clutch this not like

11:03

everyone I saw this thing is as an

11:05

and is entirely athletes the Oscars That having

11:07

said all of our if I can return

11:10

to top and sale this is please where

11:12

do you think it ranks Sex the Tv

11:14

Clickable it I would say well to be

11:16

pretty be choice of that are as that's

11:18

the real debate sorry about that but you

11:20

know is and isn't is a decent third

11:22

behind the to them as the Us I

11:24

was reading about the all the people who

11:26

help out the have to be models but

11:28

one of. The Motors while she was too good

11:30

looking so I find him Eugenio cast know he's

11:32

all the photographer started taking pictures of him is

11:34

to the taking pictures of of celebrities as a

11:37

pitcher of Kylie Jenner oh my god she I

11:39

just kept me everly have enough for right now

11:41

the cynicism one is t a year to someone

11:43

cyrus of them all. That said at the Embassy

11:45

come with him up his any as a cause

11:47

noise is just his non disclosures just passed that

11:49

he started talking about how they find him for

11:52

being. A man's has made his i

11:54

mean the waiters and think that that are effectively cause

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it's like a casting. Process is my question to

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you. What would we have to? They would follow

12:00

it. Would you like to go to the middle school? I

12:02

would. I. Guess anything like that? I never even asked

12:04

me I'm a writer I like to didn't see

12:06

this in. I would always like to experience what

12:08

it's and I would say right. Servicer and try

12:11

it like a do every both it's

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surface join. To walk out like how it's

12:15

a lot in yeah I love that. Stuff

12:17

The. Dress. Code is used

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by some Jg Ballard. so story called

12:21

Garden of Time with is an incredibly

12:23

dystopian thing. a soup sort of about

12:26

bits people being overrun by the by

12:28

the mob. so if he was this

12:30

year what would your outfit be By

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some i'm dirty but odds gladly. Like my

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have the to be so enormous that that time when Elton John

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went to a passing yet given a host. Of the I'd

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love or his sons addressed items and when

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you're gonna horsebox because as he did wig

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as evidence is so big that had a

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falling in the sit down and as okay

12:47

there were else and will bring back a

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Los Dos and he emerged in this enormous

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gonna Louis console is slowing you know brilliant

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or that does have it's a dedicated vehicle

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possible and techniques and Tammy downfield obvious yeah

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is he us time ago maybe know I

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do want to spoil the eggs inside it

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when anyone or you don't forget out skip

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meals the back of a sort of united

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like a dog isn't it? Can they go

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upstairs to them at once? You're in once.

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so probably something on i wouldn't want to really

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west latches but underneath the think it might be

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wise is my dresses.bag said that when afford on

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the seat don't whistle down the stairs since on

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the way to see ana winds and were there

13:27

when we're very like i see that wonder. What

13:30

isn't we would have to do by the stone that

13:32

see if he didn't invite. Food. We

13:34

have to would be impossible. I know I

13:36

was a lot of am I. Would love to

13:39

say at noticing I don't know but is it

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I edited or like to talk. About says on

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icons suggests that was a for the my

13:45

Everything sounds as it be the least welcome

13:47

guests this time next year. Yeah if for

13:49

others wasn't the Madonna last night you to

13:52

deny. The hell knows. He was

13:54

appointed to spend my clients and see

13:56

over and over linked up from the

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yoke and you leukemia. Private Equity,

14:00

older and I'll be right. sorry I'd still

14:02

happening I'm I'm in the name. Is

14:06

Ali Jinnah on with I would absolutely love that.

14:08

Have recently said me that happens that shocked me

14:10

Malia have a have a mythical the Arab Dictators

14:12

outfits but so for the Eagles I mean is

14:15

of yeah that's right now mean yeah I did

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the what is asking for consumers in that's never

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gonna go bankrupt Let's let's put it out. So

14:23

we move on to something that probably

14:25

will go bankrupt with his club since

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farm which has distanced again on amazon.

14:30

Prime It is a so.

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Jeremy Clarkson on the farm, The diddly squat fans

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of army boots many years ago in the that

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the farmer who was farming it's retired I think

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and twenty nineteen and terms of on that, why

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don't I. Farm it myself and while

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we're at it, know that we film. In

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which Cia and the in the sort

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of realms of Tv of Com. Since

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going to be a farmer, if I

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was in that committee meeting, I'd say

14:55

Bambee series do It is dependably brilliant.

14:58

I think a sentence exactly the same

15:00

as Top Gear Every single beat is

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exactly the same time. He's got his

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psychics Taylor been dead, Gerald and them

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Charlie. It is entirely confected in the

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way that was, but in a way

15:10

that gives me such joy that is

15:13

very, very watchable. But also, unlike Top

15:15

Tier, it does have. A like a cop

15:17

the bottom of reality to it which is why

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I think is such an interesting such did so

15:21

because. While that courses lots

15:24

of artifice in the first episode,

15:26

Journeys Getting. Hit

15:28

with a. Know my son and the you

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know they're always I call me a bit and then

15:32

next scene suddenly this bite underdogs of. The.

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In a blackberry jam is it via with

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and we must have We missed the Cns

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swing assisting him sucking up kind of eight

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blackberries and then suddenly but the said think

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sites that conception is all there and M

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k that his his i'm numb from manager

15:48

and you know they have a Best buy

15:50

the most money. And

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assets that's a spine of this season

15:55

will be a competition between details and

15:57

tailored thing. Arable land and. Jeremy.

15:59

Doing that. Formal Land basically had made

16:01

the most money which of course is nonsense

16:03

because of course they're not doing that spot

16:06

any. Seven hours is fine exactly. And that's

16:08

why is the I think the real heroes

16:10

of of Conference Farm in the real Heroes

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of the of the of Raise Andy Wilman

16:15

stance? the producers that he was the producer

16:17

on Top Games and Andy Wilman. Is.

16:20

A. Brilliant, pretty sexy and says what people

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want to watch but clarkson we will

16:25

get on some other interactions with the

16:27

Jesus but classes and t strength as

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he understands. How Britain Andy Wilman

16:31

as easy as to him and he understands

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which a lot of presenters. Don't. Understand

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the value with a really, really

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good producer. Of. What that produce

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can bring youths and the fact that

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you are made to look so much

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better than you would ordinarily be because

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it produces taken care of that pregnant.

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So Andy Wilman the top tier never

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want to basta anti woman left their

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hair awards listen family or said it

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before. I mean he was sensational other

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met gonna say violence but he's he's

16:58

He's never won a Bafta I'm and

17:00

then after that brouhaha the Bbc when

17:02

I'm Clarkson that was fired might say

17:04

what. Think of at the other the

17:06

anyone with a disagree with that they

17:08

signed in. The Vegas, the mega bucks theory

17:10

that ever signed with Amazon. I'm in in

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a hundreds of millions between comps and then

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Andy Wilman and Damp and and Hammond of

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May as well in the grand Tours. Don't

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like business from Amazon, but this is the

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Sims. Really really dumb business was probably a

17:23

tenth of the price of a divine saw

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aneurysm Primes nice lot. seventy eight by Saw

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As Or and I have to say is

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this is on terrestrial it would probably be

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the biggest. Oh and I think is is

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is pretty my where it says what is

17:35

the only south and think of I see

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that would work at nine. Pm on my

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Tv and is a hit on a streamer.

17:42

yeah you know that with stream is have

17:44

not been able to do that kind of

17:46

effect. Two nights entertainment test us and this

17:48

is at this absolutely knocks it out the

17:50

pockets. But the thing that really genuinely great

17:52

about it because it. Comes. From

17:54

reality of of the of talking to the produces

17:56

behind us and they said the very first. They.

17:58

did middle taste a tape with Jeremy. Jeremy

18:00

said, look, I want to do this thing. I've got a

18:02

farm. And like anyone who comes in and says, like, doing

18:05

this, you're going to go, oh, no. But

18:07

they said they went along. So the people helping him on the farm

18:09

were Charlie, Gerald and

18:12

Caleb. They were all there in place. The

18:14

first ever tasters tapers got all of them

18:16

on. They were really running this farm. Charlie's

18:18

the land agent, we should say, and the

18:20

advisor who's unbelievably good. Amazing, because he absolutely

18:24

does not play up to a camera. No. Anyway,

18:26

his job all the way through, which is why

18:28

it's such a great show, is Clarkson can say

18:30

whatever he wants, whatever hair brain scheme. And then

18:32

Charlie goes, here's the reality of farming in modern

18:34

Britain. And it's sort of devastating. That's

18:37

a great character. Yeah, but

18:39

it has this gravitas because you, I mean,

18:41

you're hearing tragic stories and you hear this

18:43

kind of the impossibility of making these things

18:45

work. We should say he's probably getting about

18:48

10 million a series from Amazon, not Charlie.

18:52

So going to and he's very upfront about the

18:54

fact that why this works. It is fascinating that it

18:56

is a show about something. I mean, Top Gear is

18:58

not about something is the truth. It was lovely. It's

19:00

got cars and we're mucking about, but it's not about

19:02

something. This is a show you can't, you can't watch

19:05

a series of this and not understand the countryside more

19:07

and not understand farming more and not understand that industry

19:09

more and not understand the difficulties. People are running any

19:11

sort of business are facing it. It has a lot

19:13

of truth at the bottom of it. The thing

19:15

that I do think that is absolutely great about

19:17

Andy Wilman is that he is like one of

19:20

those old style Hollywood producers in a way who

19:22

understood a screen persona. And I would

19:24

argue that there's a bloodline to Clarkson's Top Gear

19:26

persona in this show in that he is kind

19:28

of like an amateur, but he knows a lot

19:30

about the subject and he has her own schemes

19:33

and what have you. And he now

19:35

says, Oh, I was just playing a character on Top

19:37

Gear, which I think is well, to some extent he

19:39

is because it's a screen persona. And it is so

19:41

brilliant that screen persona, but it has evolved. Well,

19:43

it's interesting that his whole career, I think he sort

19:46

of is a bit of a wink. Certainly

19:49

people who do know him well and met him, you

19:51

hear an awful lot of good things. About

19:53

him, but then you read some of the stuff, you go, there's

19:55

a trouble with being a persona is, you

19:57

can push it over a certain line. certainly

20:00

a lot of people who play a persona for a

20:02

long time become that persona because that's where the money

20:04

is And you can see

20:07

that culturally at the moment lots of people who

20:09

started appealing to a certain base It's the only

20:11

way they've got to go Clarkson is able to

20:13

pivot because he's got more if you can't give

20:15

it It is diminishing returns. Yeah, and you have

20:18

to get more and more awful Actually,

20:20

you need to keep a version of yourself.

20:22

It's a bit. I mean, sorry

20:24

if I've told this story before I feel like

20:27

being on a podcast a bit like being drunk. You're

20:29

causing me did I say that five minutes? And

20:31

also with drunk For

20:35

Humphrey Bogart, they didn't know what to do with him or

20:37

Warner Brothers. They didn't know what to You

20:40

have said this okay, I'm sure they got played vicars

20:42

They kept putting him in movies thinking who are

20:44

you who are you and eventually they put him

20:46

as I said before I've definitely said this one before

20:49

the third version of the Maltese fork whenever and they're

20:51

like Oh, I see your Humphrey Bogart But it took

20:53

a while to realize strangely and then forever after you've

20:55

you play that you know But this is

20:57

what the old studio in the golden era of Hollywood They

21:00

spent ages trying to find out what your

21:02

persona was and then as lots of

21:04

the actors ended out hating You're made

21:06

to pay a version of that forever and to get

21:08

back to Clarkson He has adapted that

21:11

and that is the key thing but it

21:13

retains elements of the original and I think

21:15

that this version of him Which I suspect

21:18

is slightly nearer the truth Yeah, I think

21:20

he can say all this very

21:22

very very very very nicely for the rest

21:24

of his career as you say It's

21:26

really serious issues and he's highlighted so

21:28

many the kind of fast of British

21:30

bureaucracy Which is what because season two was I

21:32

guess the narrative spine of that was we want

21:34

to open a restaurant and they managed it And

21:36

then it's like now the restaurant has to be

21:39

shot It is honestly like this has

21:41

a bloodline that goes back to things like passport to pimba

21:43

code and things like that And it's

21:45

an understanding of a particular type

21:47

of British farce weirdly So

21:49

lots of the time I think of this

21:51

as a show that works so well because

21:53

it adopts those tropes of fiction and the

21:55

structures Of it, you know that you'll have an A-plot

21:57

in an episode and a B-plot and sometimes a C-plot And

22:00

then of course it looks effortless when you're watching

22:02

it and I know this is something we expect

22:04

But the reason this works so well is because

22:06

someone has thought about it that carefully all the

22:08

way through and it comes off As effortless which

22:10

is how you know, it's a win I mean

22:12

it's interesting with Clarkson because obviously the reason you

22:15

got five from the BBC was supposedly assaulting a

22:17

member of production team And it was quite likely

22:19

a hot supper. So you didn't get a hot

22:21

supper I spoke to people again on this show

22:23

who said he could not to be nicer So,

22:25

you know You have to sort of applaud

22:27

that my two real encounters with Clarkson The

22:30

first one was after he'd been fired the

22:32

first thing he did back was he hosted

22:34

have I got news for you? He

22:38

hadn't been on TV certainly hadn't been on the BBC

22:41

Since he got fired and I was on the panel that

22:43

week and you know, I'm a cool summer

22:45

fully paid up member of the producers Union

22:48

so, you know, I'd never try and be horrible

22:50

or mean to anyone but I absolutely Did

22:53

jokes all the way through at his expense.

22:55

Yeah, people were furious on Twitter So it's

22:57

the only time really I've ever on Twitter

22:59

gone. Oh, this is that's interesting This is

23:01

what yeah like and it was fascinating that

23:03

everyone would write exactly the same thing Like

23:05

there was a template that you would copy

23:07

and yeah I found

23:09

it sociologically interesting. Yeah one person

23:11

who didn't take offense at all Jeremy Clarkson That really

23:14

lovely chat after this, you know, I was doing stuff

23:16

off the cuff. He was he's the chairman on that

23:18

show Yeah getting paid ten times more than the panelists

23:20

all his jokes of that so I'm just whiffing and

23:23

then I was on who wants to be millionaire when

23:25

he was hosting and There's

23:27

a lifeline now, which is asked Jeremy instead

23:29

of asking the audience and I

23:31

used that lifeline on the question that cost me

23:34

90,000 pounds so he got his revenge And

23:40

it's of course there are issues with Clarkson's

23:42

public behavior and what have you but if

23:44

we're just taking this one show on its

23:46

Merits, I think it does an awful lot

23:49

of good Yeah, he's done

23:51

that very rare thing which he's created Something

23:53

that is loved by people in the industry In

23:55

which it concerns Yeah, and also people who

23:57

know absolutely nothing about farming. That is the

23:59

you get it. he can sit beside it.

24:01

also. you can have the specificity. I that

24:03

people in farming recognize all these things. I

24:06

think they are genuinely. Someone saying this and then

24:08

people have nothing to do with it. Think both us

24:10

a lotta and think more about how. The. Things go

24:12

into that place or wherever, whatever it is. One

24:15

thing I will say is what she's done

24:17

on this idea that so country fall of

24:19

which has to be busy so no sunny

24:21

set to it and dealing with similar issues

24:23

perhaps to this has to stop. Talking about

24:25

these things and has now become

24:27

I seen on she's a worldwide

24:29

market were using as that we

24:31

using authors that will come out

24:33

that way judge Everybody has become

24:35

white man. And as a single audience

24:37

asserts that we covered to couple of weeks

24:39

ago on the podcast shows this that so

24:42

now Skis Neighbors I sang do not for

24:44

farm give a Shit So. That's

24:46

easy. Yeah, he's followed a mainstream.

24:48

As it jumps is a bellwether. Yes,

24:51

I do Isabelle something as the overton

24:53

window is precisely on. A never is

24:55

a sense among some people that this is

24:57

a better way to explore those issues and

24:59

the country fall to some extent has got

25:01

on a side tracked. Talking about other things

25:03

that don't. Really? Reflect the experience of

25:05

life on farms in the countryside on

25:07

the issues that this is always going

25:09

to be more captivating and was is

25:12

much much much much higher budget. However

25:15

many things yes, but your company was was an

25:17

absolute sidebars. A really interesting one. Again that day

25:19

hunt erupts. he turns around Channel Four when she

25:21

was that Bbc was like a little Sunday afternoon.

25:24

Some Cm one who wants to know if you

25:26

put the some prime time and made this about

25:28

the British countryside more than just farming. yeah seems

25:30

to be huge him turned into the biggest so

25:33

I'm that is T V. Split figure it's

25:35

it's in his dna or as a

25:37

Sunday on said. I don't think it

25:39

was evident as we speak as but

25:41

Stevie was it's twenty five? yeah you

25:43

think? Oh uh no really. Bowser idea.

25:45

Eight nine million every Sunday night. Like

25:47

crazy numbers. Plan will because

25:49

it's the British countryside people. Absolutely love.

25:52

Watching. The countryside but I found most corrected

25:54

any day now. But so you're right it

25:56

look as if one us anymore hibbert you

25:58

know. The answer started. educational program for

26:00

farmers. And every day for farming. And that's

26:02

changed over the years.

26:05

That's got a few details, yes. And there

26:07

was a thing a couple of years ago

26:09

with the Meghan Markle comments and Amazon, it

26:11

was reported that they weren't going to be

26:13

making any more. This is Clarkson's Meghan Markle.

26:15

Not Countryfile, not John Craven, who

26:18

has been thus far suspiciously silent

26:20

on the subject of Meghan Markle. It

26:22

was reported I think that they weren't going to

26:24

renew the contract. I

26:26

would be shocked beyond words if this doesn't run and run

26:29

and run. I think Clarkson's farm is

26:31

going to be with us for a

26:33

long time. Absolutely, yeah. And

26:35

someone from Amazon last

26:37

year said Clarkson's farm is

26:41

bigger than Clarkson. And in a way

26:43

that's right because of the things we're talking about in that

26:45

it's about something that's bigger than Clarkson and it tells us

26:47

something more important than Top

26:49

Gear used to tell us. But on

26:51

the other hand, it's... I'm going to go

26:53

without him. Exactly. It's not bigger than Clarkson.

26:55

He's such a kind of colossus on TV

26:57

and he's so kind of... People love watching

26:59

him so much and he does interesting things.

27:01

So listen, he's spent his entire career in

27:03

the court of the freaking chance, hasn't he?

27:06

But at the moment, he's literally making hay.

27:09

Very good. Yeah. If I was going to

27:11

the Met Gala, I would go dressed as

27:13

Caleb in his tractor. Yes. Yeah. That's what

27:15

I'd like for... For the $100,000 budget. Yeah,

27:17

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29:13

welcome back from the break, everybody. Welcome

29:15

back, everybody. Let's go straight into the

29:18

rock. Self-styled hardest working

29:20

man in Shabiz. Now, last

29:22

week an article came out in

29:24

The Wrap that was extremely well-sourced.

29:26

I think they talked well

29:29

into double figures on the

29:31

background of the rock's forthcoming film, which

29:33

was pushed a long time and the

29:35

budgets ballooned, blah, blah. Red

29:37

One. It's like some big new movie for Amazon,

29:39

some, you know, Santa action

29:41

bullshit. Anyway, we don't care about that. Yeah,

29:43

everyone. I wouldn't have

29:46

called it Red One. Yeah. You know what I would

29:48

have called it? Santa action bullshit. Right.

29:52

Santa action bullshit working title. Is this

29:54

supposed to be an embryonic franchise? We'll

29:57

see about that. OK, but what's happened is. That

30:00

people are fed a big part of the

30:02

reason why the why the buys explained by

30:04

the way I'm is in denial this and

30:06

say it's totally normal of the budget were

30:08

blamed by fifty million dollars is the rocks

30:10

lateness now like I'm so thrilled this is

30:12

come out because I spoke to people to

30:15

his most recent films and let me tell

30:17

you something the wrong is a Diva I'm

30:19

sorry that's. The reality A case people say

30:21

he is solely on to Sat in the

30:23

article basis I. Was sure that you know

30:25

of put right and might another star. Dwayne

30:27

Johnson says this isn't the case or the

30:30

have to decide about four hours later. That

30:33

took a long time to get about so we'll see when.

30:35

Cool! Yeah, A for all six of any to do. Now

30:38

what he does is he will turn up

30:40

so late. Set in this A if you've

30:42

ever been on a cell. Satanists is obviously

30:44

particularly to the type of me busy. Thousand

30:46

to these big blockbuster movies that have

30:49

cruz of hundreds of people. Now

30:51

on the crew in as a rocks got

30:53

a massive try to will come. To the

30:55

things in his trade, the short list. A

30:57

massive trailer he gets picks up black colleges and

30:59

amazed palatial plays that com it a sense so

31:01

lot people on that crazy you have to go

31:04

that way you know the quit the people he

31:06

set everything up set get a so ali they

31:08

try themselves that and that drives and says back

31:10

at the end of the day and you up

31:12

that bargaining on fantasy. Thing by it's the

31:14

wrote will give you. Four. Or

31:17

five hours. According to the people who spoke to

31:19

this article I come out with a rock. Denies

31:21

this thought of this is borne out by some

31:23

the as some people I've talked to until his

31:25

Macys of Folks and. You know what

31:27

happens is he puts hundreds of people on

31:29

often very low incomes standing around doing up

31:31

see nothing so the try it on pull

31:34

up things and twenty different things going to

31:36

shoot random stuff you'll probably never going to

31:38

used to see people can be occupied and

31:40

then he turns out not sensible as as

31:42

a law that says. It will tell you

31:44

that the hardest working person inside as I

31:46

remembered Chow Butler saying nobody on this ah

31:48

what's harder than May While now when the

31:50

U N d those reports into like in

31:53

a who who has the toughest of racism

31:55

us it's like Salt Mine as and Hazmat

31:57

divers and Philippine a fisherman. They

31:59

never mention. being Gerald Butler as one of

32:01

those. It's never in the list. I'd say

32:03

being an actual butler would be harder work.

32:06

Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, really another backbreaking

32:08

day down the dressing up line. Come on.

32:10

Okay. You are so fated and coddled if

32:12

you are an actor. And this is not

32:14

to denigrate, you know, obviously the rock is a huge

32:16

star and people go to the cinema to see him

32:18

and people love him wrestling and all of that. And

32:20

there's something about that that's ineffable and that you, you

32:22

know, you can't buy it, although it is quite expensive.

32:25

He can open a movie and almost no one

32:27

can. Yeah. It's in your film. Very hard. Yeah.

32:29

But you can't imagine what his day on set

32:31

is like. I mean, there are people who

32:33

are giving you absolutely every kind of thing,

32:35

your every need is attended to. Now, here

32:38

is something that came out in this article, which has

32:40

actually really been come out before, is

32:42

that the rock pees in water bottles,

32:44

because you can't be bothered to go, as they call

32:46

it on a movie set, go 10-1, which is when

32:49

actors stepping off the set to go to the loo.

32:51

10-1 is. Yeah. And you see everyone

32:53

on the walkies going, yeah, it's just going 10-1. But

32:55

they on the walkie talkies, all the runners, all the

32:57

assistants, as the actress coming to set, you'll see something

32:59

that just stepping on another rock stepping on and it

33:02

will go down all the walkies, almost like a

33:04

receiving line on his sort of 30 metre walk

33:06

to set. That happens. Do you know what? My

33:08

favourite bit about being a TV presenter rather than

33:10

TV producer is when you walk on

33:13

the floor and like four people go, yeah, the

33:15

boys are on the floor. The boys are on

33:17

the floor. Like, oh, yeah, that's amazing. I'm one

33:19

of the boys. So the rock will go in

33:21

a specific brand of water bottle that is named

33:24

a Voss water bottle. This is quite big. Anyway, I don't

33:26

want to get into that. But

33:28

the rock will use that. Now, of

33:30

course, like all rock stories, once it's

33:33

come out, he finds a way to repurpose

33:35

this to make himself sound like the hardest working

33:37

man to show, as opposed to someone who just

33:39

literally hands an assistant bottles of his own urine,

33:41

like, on. Okay. So

33:43

he'll say, yeah, you know what? I don't even

33:45

want to step off set. I don't even, I'm

33:48

essentially the hardest working guy. And I

33:50

don't want to leave the gym when I'm doing a

33:52

workout. So yeah, I'll pee on bottles. But you know,

33:54

sue me for being hardworking. Well, I kind of want

33:56

to see you for having me a bottle of urine. I'm

34:00

surprised he hasn't marketed it. Yeah, so

34:02

am I. It's coming. You know if you've

34:04

got foxes in your back garden, you use

34:06

tiger urine to get rid of

34:09

them. But I bet that rocks urine would do the job as

34:11

well. Well, he has got a tequila brand, which I'm now wary

34:13

of trying. By the way,

34:16

everybody has got a tequila brand. I know. And

34:18

his tequila brand, and also everyone's tequila brand is worth

34:20

$3 billion. I know, how is

34:22

this possible? Again, that's one for the rest

34:24

of his money. Yeah, I would actually love

34:26

to know that. How are, given no one

34:28

really drinks tequila. Well, they do, but they

34:30

always immediately regret it. Yeah, like a bit,

34:32

but it doesn't like wine or beer. And

34:34

I'll tell you, this is a sipping tequila.

34:36

I'm sorry, what? Come on, mate. What's

34:39

a sipping tequila? Three billion. I

34:41

shouldn't have thought so. I would love to know the

34:43

answer to that question. That's such a good point. Yeah,

34:45

why are all tequila brands worth $3 billion is our

34:47

question. Yeah, riddle me that rest of his money, because

34:50

I'd like to know. Okay, we're asking,

34:52

why has this story about the rock come

34:54

out now? I think the rock is trying

34:56

to do something, okay, because having said all this ridiculous

34:58

stuff about him, because he is obviously a ridiculous

35:00

thing. Here, can I just read out one Instagram

35:02

post? Yes, please. Which is my favorite one ever.

35:04

Okay, he's got, oh, I'm going to find it

35:06

again, excuse me. I can

35:08

fill in with a Humphrey Bogart anecdote. Okay,

35:12

there's a brick, one of my favorite ever

35:14

Instagram posts from the rock, who obviously I'm

35:16

obsessed with, is him sitting at a

35:18

large, large wooden table in his

35:20

trailer. This is his caption, secret

35:23

weapon. Many productive meetings and big

35:25

business deals have been sealed with a handshake that

35:27

my GSB gets shit done table

35:29

that's inside my trailer. This

35:32

table holds a lot of great mana, brackets,

35:34

spirit slash power and

35:37

energy. And if these wood slabs could

35:39

talk while it's best they can't for

35:41

national security purposes. Wow. Ladies and

35:43

gentlemen, the rock, the hardest working guy in Shabbos,

35:46

but. Available at B&Q hashtag ad. I

35:50

can either get shit down the table, please. I want one so

35:52

much. Exactly, oh God, we've got to put it

35:54

together. Oh no, do you know what? Forget this get shit done

35:56

table. I can't be bothered. Get

35:58

one of the greats to do it. What I

36:00

would say is that ahead of the big WWE

36:03

weekend, he came back for it, you know, age 104. I'm

36:06

joking, but nearly to be in the ring.

36:09

He did a big interview with Fox News, choice

36:11

of outlet relevant, I feel, saying because

36:13

he's always been linked strangely

36:15

with the United States presidency. And people have

36:17

always said, are you going to run? And he said, look, you

36:19

know, I don't want to, you know, and he's often said, yeah,

36:22

it is my goal and I want to do it. And

36:24

now, now, you know, he's really serious

36:26

because he's saying, look, I've, you know, I've

36:28

got no ambitions. Below me. What he did

36:30

say is he endorsed Biden last time around.

36:33

And he said, this time I'm

36:35

not endorsing anyone because my endorsement

36:37

caused an incredible amount of division in

36:39

our country. Yeah, that was that was that was the

36:41

thing, wasn't it? Big market mover on that election. Yeah.

36:44

And he said he

36:47

came up for Susan Hall in the London mayoral elections as

36:49

well, didn't he? He is. Yeah,

36:51

he is the Barbara Streisand of election. No, actually

36:53

no Biden won. Sorry.

36:55

So about the Streisand, of course, famously, and

36:58

it endorses the things that candidates aren't going

37:00

to win. So he

37:02

he sort of it feels to a lot

37:04

of people like he's repositioning himself for a run.

37:06

And he said, and is he would he actually

37:09

run as a Republican? I mean, it's so mad. People have

37:11

said to him that you could be the president, although we

37:13

do know that you can be extremely lazy. Yeah. I've

37:16

been president. You can basically play golf all day.

37:18

Exactly. So he naming their names. Yeah. And you

37:20

can you can probably hand bottles of urine to

37:22

your. Yeah, I think that's basic, isn't it? Yeah.

37:25

Funnily enough, the the sitcom Young Rock,

37:28

which is based on his sort of

37:30

younger days, the framing of that is

37:32

Dwayne Johnson running for president in 2032.

37:35

He also claimed that two

37:37

years ago, both parties

37:39

approached him about running in this

37:41

election. Yeah. Yeah.

37:43

OK. OK, Rock. But

37:46

and he's had to say no for now. So

37:48

he's really keeping it open. So I wonder whether

37:50

people are just like I

37:53

would they think he's maybe skewing to this

37:55

iteration of the Republican Party, which is beyond

37:57

the pale for a lot of people, whether

37:59

people. Maybe it wouldn't have mattered so much

38:01

and I wonder whether people are

38:03

now becoming willing to talk about the

38:06

actual rock versus screen persona Yeah, we

38:08

can return to personas But

38:10

it would be that would be quite something but I but you

38:12

know the parties probably did say we'd love you to run for

38:14

President because you just want them to support you, right? So this

38:16

is one of those fun ones that um Will

38:19

we play it back to us in ten years

38:21

time? So do you remember what you're having that

38:23

big old laugh about the rock running for president

38:25

being lazy look at him now Yeah, I should

38:27

say that I mean genuinely stranger things have happened

38:29

My Stranger

38:31

darker things have happened and probably could again

38:34

so I'm the rock, you know,

38:36

I don't want to say that that would be a It

38:39

would be a trade-up, but it would certainly be watchable

38:42

Listen, it would it would open big. He could

38:44

open the United States. That's a guy who can

38:47

you can sell tickets to an election Yeah, that's

38:49

for sure Um,

38:51

that was a patch show wasn't it? It was

38:53

got met Gala the rock Clarkson very jolly I'd

38:56

love to see them all united in some format

38:58

or other you could come up with that but

39:00

that's the show, isn't it? Yeah, that would watch

39:02

talking would watch recommendations I have

39:04

a recommendation which is a returning BBC one show

39:06

that is absolutely mega the responder Stars Martin Freeman

39:09

as a sort of night crop if you watch

39:11

the first series, you know how good it is

39:13

But the second one is just returned and

39:15

is terrific And we

39:17

just finished watching the the ITV drama red

39:19

eye which I loved it set on a

39:21

plane between Beijing and London

39:24

and it's absurd but just the right side

39:26

of absurd and it's lots

39:28

of good payoffs I've really really enjoyed that

39:30

but also the wonderful novelist CJ Sansom died

39:33

last week And so I would recommend

39:35

if you've not read any of his shard Lake

39:37

novel. Absolutely brilliant. The first

39:40

one is a dissolution It's my mom's

39:42

favorite Time so

39:44

I said to my mom with you. Would you tell me why

39:46

you love CJ sense and so much? So if you don't mind

39:48

Oh, no, contribute to CJ sense and this is what my mom

39:50

said To Me CJ Sansom

39:52

was the best writer of historical fiction of our

39:54

era. He Made the times of which he wrote

39:56

come vividly to life, not by accounts of momentous

39:58

events in our history. The to the lies

40:00

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40:20

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40:22

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40:24

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40:26

much. Ah thank you Brenda say scientists

40:28

handsome Honestly wonder thought he was an

40:30

absolute genius. I q s his mom

40:32

thank you Brenda and a think humor

40:34

in it was fun that was brilliant.

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