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globe trotting respite meets

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writer deadline schedule delaying

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clusterfuck the boys are

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finally back finally the lime green chairs

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me here and across from me over

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there once again there vertical

1:00

blue the my horizontal

1:02

pinstripes the chef to

1:04

my chef sorry i know i

1:07

told a joke last time but i hadn't edited

1:09

that one again if you know you

1:11

know as you don't on an hour to tell you mister

1:14

out of school next the breakdown matters

1:16

important and trivial so today

1:19

we're going to retail ourselves

1:22

and probably know what he hopes

1:25

with hopes with update on personal goings on

1:27

going to recap some highlights from leadville

1:29

the bahamas rome london manhattan's

1:32

many global ports of call we're

1:34

going to do a bit on wealth inequality

1:36

we're gonna perhaps you're a few things we'd

1:39

been enjoying respectively if we have time

1:41

he probably won't we'll see of

1:44

, answer a few listener slash

1:46

the your questions and much more

1:48

so before i toss it over to you add on there

1:51

were a lot of tweets and comments

1:53

and and comments are because

1:56

we were off our bi weekly schedule

1:58

without going deep on what by creamy

2:02

people , their role on wanting

2:04

to know if i was scouring the earth's

2:06

in my travels looking for adams

2:09

who was hiding snap of demanding

2:11

their skolnick six six

2:13

happy to be across from you today

2:16

and i wanted to kick it off

2:18

by tweeting you with your first san

2:21

wider off and now they came here to the

2:23

studio fan snail mail us more

2:25

fan mail for school mack from the st

2:27

george's school building fine

2:30

young men yeah swim away at a

2:32

time there you go well

2:34

maybe of an hour later love and that a different

2:36

time yeah thank you are the reason

2:38

for my pinstriped suit today

2:40

is of course because this is episode seven

2:43

hundred give a great center hundred

2:45

seventeen hundreds and i'm glad that

2:47

i'm doing it with you we can bank on earth

2:49

together than of a big part of

2:52

how many have we done at this point

2:54

how many rolandas i really

2:56

don't know i would say probably thirty

2:59

or forty you think that many maybe

3:01

maybe not any not account

3:05

will figure it out yeah i could probably i

3:08

have it somewhere in the wall

3:10

of myself where i live realized

3:13

scratch shock yeah i get out your

3:15

fingernail, get out for that could we put you

3:17

back in your cell? i can come out to work and

3:19

then i asked to go back, but when you go back, you're just

3:22

reading and studying and preparing for the next

3:24

role on and all i do is i spoke with you yeah

3:26

yeah i have i go to sleep with one

3:28

of those eye masks and the eye masks

3:31

have the shape of this microphone and

3:34

that's all i see like

3:37

some sort of google glass contraption,

3:39

would you wear your reading all the time

3:41

developing material for the show

3:43

interest and maybe some ear buds

3:46

where you're listening to our conversations

3:48

and podcast you're just consuming

3:50

as much content as possible and synthesizing

3:53

it during your rem cycle you don't want

3:55

to hide man you want to cyborg i

3:57

want a repository of we

4:00

them and information but instead

4:02

you got me i yeah for you right now

4:04

he i find it funny that you are scouring

4:06

the earth looking for me when i never leave now

4:08

without my father said i went from like i would ever

4:10

i hear ya down some never said ever a lot

4:12

of down are you looking for adam like where is

4:15

he is like a where's waldo housing i've

4:17

always only thing that was easy to track

4:19

down and i'm suzanne samurai

4:21

available like of i call a taxi

4:23

pretty much get back to me right away you

4:26

, be too busy busy ever

4:28

you're busy you have other things i got i

4:30

got a point hopefully we can talk about the

4:32

other things that you've been working on yes

4:34

we will we will i do you know it's funny

4:36

though because it's been for so

4:38

long a lot of my work life was always

4:40

outta always and

4:43

you know to be so hot

4:45

like i feel civilized you're

4:47

an adult i know but i don't necessarily

4:49

like it

4:52

yeah we're planning on next year being

4:54

a travel year the next year's

4:56

the travel you're going a decent trip so i'm

4:59

in a we've done a few little jaunts but

5:01

we're gonna do some proper trips hopefully

5:03

next year i'm going to mexico yeah

5:05

we did that and with that minutes but you're

5:07

a lonely planet off the beaten path

5:10

most obscure arcana guy you know what i'm

5:12

doing now is still that nice i

5:15

, finished watching the first season of

5:18

parts and and

5:20

of now yeah sorry that's the only is

5:22

it is the only see the mail on with yeah

5:24

living vicariously yeah just what

5:26

i'm doing i i want to be up to the mini on things

5:28

for years i watch news from the two thousand

5:30

and thirteen or so i like to do or parts

5:32

unknown does that say you

5:34

are in a wild hair desire

5:37

to be exploring or does it make

5:39

you feel more anxious about

5:41

being at home so i don't feel too

5:43

anxious about it because they're in ads for

5:46

every time there is a season or every season

5:48

there's or time whenever it's the way it is bizarre

5:50

about turning yourself but turning

5:52

generally like wet my appetite

5:54

for like to get out there and you know the

5:57

uma loves her cruz i mean he

5:59

loves traveling the when we were down in our case

6:01

and a guy just for five days he was like happy

6:03

to cruise like anywhere we go whether

6:06

it's read our a la paz whatever

6:08

he is this always ready to like walk

6:10

around and walk ahead and look around

6:13

and he's now just recently gotten more social

6:15

but for a long time and even still has

6:18

the as this thing i call fifty shades of

6:20

adios i

6:22

matt is when , come up

6:24

terms is like a new book is a cute kid

6:26

right i mean c'mon yeah i mean listen see

6:28

i know i don't put a my such minutes trust me

6:31

about me as a parent saying as he's

6:33

he's objective of the horses or not you as a parent

6:35

saying the eyes and exactly object as an

6:37

objective thing arm and

6:40

so sometimes we will come up to him and they want to lean

6:42

down oh hi and he'll

6:44

say adios that

6:47

he's bilingual adios

6:49

at what he says and they think a lot of times i think

6:51

it's cute may think oh he's so cute

6:53

very cute kid speaking spanish speaking

6:55

is very cute i take him in a bakery i see what he

6:58

wants to day the bakery always croissant

7:00

by the way kid loves croissants the guy

7:02

comes over yeah look i guess you adios

7:04

forty seven the guy as but sometimes

7:07

like you call we talked last i you he

7:09

said oh lots you and then when it was time to say

7:11

goodbye says adios in adios nice way so

7:14

sometimes adios means goodbye sometimes

7:16

it means the guy pal

7:18

like fuck off yeah see i want what

7:20

i hear and that is yeah on the one hand

7:23

it's sort of the the incense

7:25

version of i bid you good day sir

7:27

yes right yeah i get away from me see

7:29

our by

7:30

also

7:32

there is a flexing of healthy

7:34

boundaries yeah right he was like i don't need you

7:36

in my space right right yeah he's

7:38

like for him and sometimes it's not like it's

7:40

kind of a a nicer adios like adios

7:43

and he just turns and bells so not always

7:45

you have to leave but i feel like

7:47

it in the inflection it's kinda how cameo

7:49

low when we hear noise the name's

7:52

maria one that i've heard him do it he goes

7:54

outside is like a pow adios

7:57

his , i've heard him

8:00

in new york energy out by

8:02

die yeah so that's happening where i

8:04

went to the red hot chili peppers nice as

8:06

so fine in late july he

8:08

been gone along with in about seven veils

8:10

hell yeah did you

8:12

watch that untitled documentary that

8:14

if i , i i've

8:16

been meaning to watch it it love

8:19

the lore of the red hot chili pepper yeah and

8:21

i've actually been thinking about them a fair amount because

8:24

i spent a little bit of time with rick rubin recently

8:26

own we did a podcast that will be coming out

8:28

now for while not until the new the and

8:31

of course he's worked with them extensively

8:33

including on on the latest album but

8:37

i know you're of mega fan right

8:39

well right wasn't always april is but is

8:41

wasn't always vote because the problem with

8:43

me when i was a young snot is

8:46

that if you are popular automatically

8:48

didn't really want anything to do with you you

8:51

know like as a band or and film

8:53

or whatever i was that kind of an obnoxious guy

8:55

but i always enjoyed the music and fun music party

8:58

music but music didn't realize how much actually

9:00

probably aligned with amd that didn't pay attention

9:02

too much too who like anthony and flee

9:04

were in all that and obviously

9:06

and obviously of californication is their best album that's

9:09

my personal opinion it's my favorite yeah

9:11

and it's is there thirty seven

9:13

i think when they're recording that record and

9:15

touring around with it so it's like in some ways

9:17

it's like they're going to this kind wake

9:20

of greater wisdom and and still creatively

9:22

this incredible and outlawed energy

9:25

and so i know all that retroactively because

9:27

i just been enjoying the music more recently since

9:29

i've been with april many boroughs like

9:31

obsessed them knows everybody like i didn't know the

9:33

whole thing about john we see on t or

9:35

for sean say africa dad and rao about

9:37

his whole ordeal and and was like

9:39

are you such as a genius lcs

9:42

and like this the fastest so now

9:44

that i'm looking back and kind of a late like a

9:46

late blooming superfan which i

9:48

guess i am apr found this great

9:51

you tube documentary that was i think

9:53

unreleased and it's all about touring

9:55

behind the californication record stairs

9:57

it's stairs documentary people may have seen com funky which

10:00

is about blood sugar sex magic recording

10:02

that record and as really good spies

10:05

this other one is like another

10:07

level like they have chris rock

10:09

comes in woody harrelson makes a cameo

10:11

julia butterfly hill who is in the

10:13

top of the tree she's in it they bring in

10:15

like buddhist teachers they bring in all

10:17

sorts of people and they talk to them in

10:19

basically the green room backstage and they

10:22

have i mean it's a phenomenal piece

10:24

of verity and i love it it's so

10:26

weird and quirky and you get to know

10:28

who these guys are a little bit more and

10:30

a and so i i recommend

10:32

it will you should put will be a link or put the link i

10:34

was only going to shut out some make a mental note

10:36

to watch that it's he you know i mean whatever

10:39

, think of the red hot chili peppers clearly

10:42

there you know one of los angeles

10:44

as greatest rock bands of all time

10:46

like they are los angeles i think

10:48

they are i think they are the greatest band

10:51

in history of alex out the door is the duty

10:53

of their so you'd have the doors but the

10:55

chili peppers really personify l a and a

10:57

way that are the jurors luna yes it

11:00

is impossible the you

11:02

drive down melrose impasse fairfax high

11:04

school without thinking about the red eyes because

11:06

they all met there when they were like fourteen

11:09

yeah and have been together to granted

11:11

and in any other they were sweethearts

11:13

ryan anthony met their yeah and they're at their

11:15

their guitarist and original guitarist

11:17

yeah and that's sad little

11:20

, time again sad that we were both

11:22

on a at like up and i know that at that

11:24

nantucket project a couple years ago anthony

11:27

sober like i think and and he's point

11:29

dume i'm pretty sure yeah i know is cathy

11:31

welker i've never had never met him our

11:34

analysis in the lead guy want in

11:36

the seat he wants to eat at both bad

11:38

says his memoirs incredible i have three

11:40

right over there i got really are i doubt yeah it's

11:42

it's an alum it it's a beautiful book

11:45

book search engine weird and like an accordion

11:48

funny i now as com and the hillel

11:50

saying when hello past and then join for science

11:52

a became the guitarist and then he had his problems

11:55

and was gone and in his absence

11:57

his sell like the band never really could find

12:00

groovy a now and having him back in the band

12:02

is like a pretty cool thing it's or share one

12:04

red hot chili peppers story yes so they

12:06

played at stamford

12:09

must have been nineteen eighty six i

12:11

remember going to ah

12:14

are you a concert it was outdoors of the

12:16

outdoor amphitheater there this

12:18

was during their like freaky style

12:20

a day when they really were dislike

12:23

this party down like starting out and

12:25

a concert was in the middle of the day and

12:28

there couldn't have been more than like maybe

12:30

two hundred people there like it wasn't a heavily

12:33

attended thing it wasn't like a must see situation

12:36

and it was in the era when they would play with

12:38

the saw in are basically naked with the socks

12:40

on yes snow in her of they're doing now

12:43

yes and i just remember

12:46

hank wise my friend hank

12:48

rise who i swam with at stanford

12:50

who is the guy who left a voicemail

12:53

as we talked about it he has the record for

12:55

fastest halloween a channel

12:57

swam right he's probably fifty

13:01

two now or something like that either

13:04

he's , a character and like a beautiful

13:06

we got ago so i love i love hanging out ago

13:08

some with them but hank is in extreme

13:11

extrovert and hanks is got up on stage

13:13

and put a sock on and like danced into the

13:15

whole they like i'll never forget

13:17

that it was unbelievable unbelievable

13:19

i would not have thought that time that

13:21

they would become this like superman

13:24

as funny i have a story like that with fish

13:26

and ninety ninety one in vermont and like some

13:28

gym in our community college shimmer

13:30

forget what are was but yeah you just never guess

13:33

they'd be they'd take the world by storm by

13:36

you know this the show was phenomenal really

13:38

great but it wasn't seat and

13:41

i will say back in the day

13:43

you go to a concert and you just buy the

13:45

ticket face value and if you've called early

13:48

enough you'd be like right the front row for like fifteen

13:50

twenty bucks and now like there

13:52

are hundreds of dollars for dollars seat to get anywhere

13:55

in that stadium by discuss

13:57

the economy of things and mean it does play

13:59

into the talk about later like i love

14:01

to see these bands in a getting

14:03

paid and doing their thing man very

14:06

very expensive now to just go to a concert

14:08

back than it was normal or answer

14:11

yes got a console that's right wasn't wonder when

14:13

it hits racing that would break your bank to now

14:15

so now yeah so that

14:17

gets into the wealth inequality stuff v

14:19

adam has little bit later but dive

14:21

yeah so that was great and and so fi

14:24

is a beautiful place however

14:26

it's kind of like orwellian like

14:29

you know in dodger stadium no matter where you are

14:31

you know how to get to where you need to go to the signs

14:33

everywhere and he could cigarette the system and so

14:35

fine a matter where you are you have no idea where

14:37

you are either than ariana kind

14:39

of an interesting now is that intentional

14:42

know , like a tech campus as a secret

14:45

with with by was

14:47

great show army guys to see the tour

14:49

i'm hoping they come back through in the back and promoting

14:52

the new album they just released like to mountains and six

14:54

months six yes has

14:56

a sickness fitness is good

14:58

in is think in picked it up a little bit of in do

15:00

little like twenty five miles of running and

15:02

three to four miles swimming every week and

15:05

so that kind of as i think i've

15:07

even last a few pounds and feeling a little

15:09

bit

15:10

i'm not fair

15:12

yeah yeah good moment interim dad

15:14

bod the father figure

15:16

i

15:18

don't know your secret curious about success

15:21

as pretty good i can't take credit for that i saw

15:23

that on social media is our like somebody i

15:25

say was a t shirt or something like that but i

15:27

thought that was pretty great okay yeah great

15:29

writer speaking of which ah we

15:32

got a shout out our boy

15:34

dans rake oh yeah creative

15:36

director here at the are rp

15:38

he just celebrated his one year anniversary

15:41

of working here ah he moved

15:44

the entire family from st louis to

15:46

participate in this show he's

15:49

been an incredible value add to the team

15:51

and over the course of the past year has lost

15:53

forty pounds amazing forty pounds

15:55

without really even trying

15:57

by his words like he just went plan

15:59

they see as he was in this environment

16:02

and the forty pounds slowly

16:04

melted away is an amazing yeah

16:06

spreading front of his jokes that's what happens

16:09

when you embrace this then

16:11

there were doing that's what happens when you come here dad

16:13

bod cannot exist in this environment

16:15

know him as odd to support

16:18

another down from dad value out of it gets

16:20

rich cut the bullshit how

16:22

the hell are you well adam

16:25

in honor of this week's podcast

16:28

guess susan cain okay queen

16:30

of quiet the champion of introverts

16:32

in all things melancholic

16:36

i am here today to channel

16:38

my inner introverts into

16:40

a short first actual version is

16:45

that like susan cain know she's

16:48

alright yeah so you're not up to you you

16:50

didn't listen to the podcast that we just drop

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this morning already come on man who are

16:55

, this morning yes yeah you've had

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a couple of hours that's a great while are way over

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here arctic yeah i love

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you know i've been spending most of my time

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in the middle of like were that whole thing took

20:54

place yes thirty years ago of

20:56

yeah recruit a recruit and

20:59

just got to enjoy myself see some

21:01

friends ah i did a couple

21:03

podcast i hooked up with john mcavoy

21:05

for round two which is amazing and

21:09

tony rental the barefoot arrived

21:11

or phenomenon known as the

21:14

natural light stylist that ,

21:16

great those are old school audio

21:18

only podcast podcast

21:20

is the one i did with ah with rick

21:22

rubin see of those to look forward to

21:24

old school style know video know

21:27

nothing you know all that noise

21:29

from the street and everything else that happens

21:31

when you when do the traveling

21:34

bringing in bringing a kit with yeah but it's

21:36

great to see them and just be a tourist

21:38

and in and enjoying london and as you know thank

21:40

everybody who like stopped me in set

21:42

and said hello lots of our podcast

21:44

fans out there are lots of school my fans really

21:47

passing on their passage you hit ottolenghi

21:49

this ottolenghi have enough begin options

21:51

as years now i had most my meals

21:53

out place called pharmacy ago which is

21:56

a really beautiful amazing

21:58

plant based restaurant beautiful you have enough the

22:00

pharmacy with an atom gas of course

22:03

that's , farm to table the owners

22:06

camilla fiat who is out of town i was hoping

22:08

to meet her her the owner and

22:10

has like apparently her own farm where

22:12

farm basically grow everything they

22:14

serve in the restaurant mean holocaust us

22:17

are also happens to be the half sister

22:19

of dodi fire had a really interesting

22:21

so there's a little in our kind of like frame

22:24

uk pedigree the rise of the whole

22:26

thing and they have this whole movement around healthy

22:29

eating and regenerative farming and all

22:31

that kind of stuff so that was like my spots

22:34

on and as i mentioned on stated my buddy sauces

22:37

flats long time listeners

22:39

of the podcast will remember

22:41

a podcast that he did with sasha such as

22:43

your bossy and jamie

22:45

dornan the movie star we did that that

22:47

was episode three ninety eight the

22:49

while ago and that conversation was

22:52

around a movie that the social wrote and directed

22:54

called my dinner with or of a that start peter

22:56

dinklage that was on h b o such

22:58

as a screen writer and director and

23:00

the flap at i was staying in is really like his

23:02

office not his home but he was out of town

23:04

and i was able stay there which was fantastic

23:07

and the reason i bring that up is that i

23:09

have a podcast with sauce

23:11

are coming up that's going to release

23:15

on the twenty six september and

23:17

it's around it's around that saucer

23:19

made called anvil the story

23:21

danville did you ever see this document or know but i

23:23

saw that i saw your twitter thread that

23:26

about so this is what school so and valve

23:28

is the story of this heavy metal

23:30

band that was on the precipice of a

23:32

breaking big and then never really made it but

23:34

influenced all of these huge bands

23:37

that became wildly successful and

23:39

yet they never gave up on their dream an

23:41

sos a kind of caught up with them in their late

23:43

forties and they were still rocking out

23:46

making albums every year whatever see

23:48

i just playing pub since working

23:50

been a blue collar jobs to pay the bills

23:52

and he made his beautiful documentary about

23:55

their pursuit in their refusal

23:57

to give up on their dream and it's an indie

23:59

dot that he self

24:01

financed ah that ended up

24:04

becoming one of that's considered

24:07

one of the great rock documentaries okay i'm

24:09

it's a real life spinal tap and

24:11

right really beautifully rendered in the came

24:13

out thirteen years ago i did

24:15

a thread about it on twitter

24:17

on which you can see if you're watching here

24:19

are only get up in the show notes feds

24:22

it's really a thread about what it means to pursue

24:24

like an audacious stream and and never give up

24:26

and it's the story it's kind of the

24:28

parallel story of this band and

24:30

ill and saucers career

24:32

as a writer and director like

24:34

, said he sell finances documentary

24:37

thirty he was making it like fifteen years ago

24:40

he premiered at at sundance to great

24:42

you know reception and applause but

24:45

no buyers who wanted to distribute

24:47

it and i think he might had one

24:49

deal on the table that wasn't so great and

24:51

he was like fuck it i'm going to basically

24:54

release it myself which you

24:56

know in film parlance means you're kind of

24:58

the away like of a dr peter is going to put it

25:00

in theaters now it's different with streaming says before

25:02

streaming streaming was considered

25:05

like a lunatic move like you're

25:07

going hey to put it in the theaters the you

25:10

know if you do that maybe window

25:12

at for like you know a couple screening right

25:14

it's too expensive and he was able to you

25:16

know kind of bankroll a little bit of a release

25:19

and the movie went on to

25:21

great acclaim like so by taking

25:23

that risk it really establish

25:25

his career as a filmmaker and the film

25:28

and bill because it was successful

25:31

gave this down the career that they had

25:33

always sought that they kind of both succeeded

25:35

as a result in the nests ah but

25:37

it was a still small movie i mean people

25:39

the search unanimously beloved

25:41

by kind came and went pray wasn't like

25:44

searching for sigur man riding like that

25:46

sort of processed all of the round movies like

25:48

before amy yeah you know before

25:50

sugar manioc there was an well yeah

25:52

and all like the rock and roll community loves

25:55

at like there's tons of bands such as a million

25:57

stories of bands that his plan

25:59

on

25:59

the open their tour buses and now they just

26:02

they just love the movies

26:04

the reason i'm bringing this up is that during

26:07

the course of cove at during lockdown

26:09

for some reason somehow

26:12

gen z and millennials on

26:14

earth this movie and discovered it and started

26:16

just passing it along to their friend really

26:18

and it became like a thing an anvil

26:20

became a thing it was discovered by this

26:22

younger generation and that

26:25

kind of outpouring of love and support for

26:27

the movie suddenly like made

26:29

it relevant again and this distributor

26:31

or called utopia has stepped in and

26:33

they're now re releasing anvil

26:36

this fall in theaters across

26:38

the country and overseas like that

26:41

ever , like like indie

26:43

movie from a decade and a half ago

26:45

is getting rereleased in movie theaters when

26:47

barely any movies end up in the movie

26:50

theater anymore it's really cool

26:52

story very cool i'm so not only

26:54

as sasa one of my best friends who opened up

26:56

his home to me when i was in london a

26:58

i tried to help them celebrate

27:01

the release of this movie m which is coming

27:03

out september twenty

27:05

six i think as i said i

27:08

, the week of the twenty six and that's when this podcast

27:10

with sasha and lips

27:13

and rob from the movie is going

27:15

to release of to band members the two main

27:17

guys from the bad and salsa fantastic

27:19

and it's just a you know it's insanity

27:22

alright guys so you have that to i can't

27:24

wait anyway and lanky saucer for letting

27:26

me stay do they play play a number know

27:29

but there are oddly particularly lips

27:32

you know he's now like an aging renault

27:35

dwelling a heavy metal

27:37

head banging rocker who's

27:39

still wears exactly what he wore when he was twenty

27:41

two years old or some guys like

27:44

his own band t shirt and he's got

27:46

the fanny pack and like the whole than the hair

27:48

and the whole thanks buddy he's

27:50

so charming and endearing

27:52

and he sort of this is the self

27:54

help guru you didn't need you you knew my

27:57

arms got all his kind of like crazy

27:59

wisdom

27:59

i'm usually find some identities

28:02

will never paris and has rights

28:05

so vast that are a couple quick

28:07

things i was in a porsche commercials i

28:10

saw that here

28:11

which was cool

28:12

or sadek that out up right

28:14

there like listener know you had slay this on

28:17

you to without getting into trouble but i show

28:19

up like a minute into it does that mean you're going to be

28:21

driving and he pours i would like to

28:23

be driving any portion you're not driving

28:25

cars they

28:27

didn't sweet innocent remember lots of the

28:29

photographs it's like the it shows up that

28:32

photograph or there are a force that

28:34

photograph was taken by david zammit think

28:36

united ah anyway because

28:38

you are out there with hawking and

28:42

and good company around i don't know

28:44

who that chess is ,

28:46

i wanted to thank everybody for the the outpouring

28:48

of love around them like fremont episode

28:51

in in centenary n

28:53

slash amazing multiple

28:55

masters world record holder

28:57

in and in all kinds of kinds

29:00

affairs like i feel like the

29:02

world fell in love with that guy like it's just

29:05

a beautiful things are pretty nice so

29:07

many people excited to hear from some to use

29:09

one hundred years old and my gosh and in the end

29:12

up the phone like i don't think we do a very good a

29:14

and western society

29:16

of celebrating our elders and respecting

29:19

the wisdom that they have to share and have feel

29:21

like that podcast did

29:23

it was like my small part in trying to

29:25

rectify that and it was a school that

29:28

people really cottoned on to him and loved when

29:30

he had to share and you know he's it's

29:32

hard not to love them knows what makes

29:34

your podcast what it is you know like

29:36

the you find these amazing people

29:38

and put them on here and i've yet to hear from them

29:40

and sometimes they have a following with sometimes are

29:42

just really interesting human

29:45

beings that have that lot to say and that

29:47

and a yeah i'm steve

29:49

think the reason that we don't treat elders

29:51

as well as because when we were like six and seven

29:54

our grandparents board us with really boring

29:56

of stories the old days that are actually not boring

29:58

but he thought they were wearing enemy the against

30:00

the elder large decision was unique in

30:02

that well as the historically probably

30:04

always been the case rights but

30:07

nino in in earlier days

30:09

like we kept our elders close like we're

30:11

have been a village in rome are always there

30:13

and they helped with raising the kids are is an intimacy

30:16

to that relationship that is now

30:18

more rare than com same they weren't shoved into

30:20

the nursing home exactly yeah

30:23

it's fucked up where we do here seems

30:26

off yeah yeah i would

30:28

you wish you lived in a village yeah

30:31

i mean when you think like when i sit back

30:33

like some of my happiest i've

30:35

living circumstances

30:38

were communal like being in a dorm in

30:40

college or living in a house in college

30:42

with a whole bunch of friends like i don't know that i would

30:44

wanna do that now but there's

30:46

, about like being part of a

30:48

a group you know in a living situation

30:51

that holds a lot of that a crew and i think it's

30:54

deeply embedded in our in our dna

30:56

and now we define success as

30:59

as yourself in a in a large home

31:02

at the end of a cold a sack and separating

31:04

ourselves from each other that's exactly how

31:06

i define right that's how

31:08

you're how i'm

31:10

a lawyer hundred man hours of

31:13

i use it to tune into the susan

31:15

cain episode i'm going to learn about your interpersonal

31:20

about , call you an introvert who can be

31:22

periodically extroverted skyn i used

31:24

to be thought of as pure extrovert blessing

31:26

i've always been accurate with like this

31:28

deep vein of ensure version

31:30

and yeah maybe it's that converses

31:33

of me i more extrovert

31:35

but you can't be a writer or be

31:37

in love with writing without having a serious

31:40

streak of introverted career has completely

31:42

warped my personality hours of i had

31:44

a really winning right happy

31:46

personality before and now i'm cranky old

31:49

fucker and i

31:51

share about how can i just

31:54

ask one thing before we get a break because we

31:56

this is something different it's not even on our run

31:58

of show i feel like

32:00

we should talk about salman rushdie

32:02

endless just do you mean are we do

32:04

that okay before we do that yeah it was

32:06

on the mic fremont thing oh you want to close that

32:09

out there was a a real a

32:11

video that i put up where i believe

32:13

i like asked him what he ate

32:15

any kind of said a i eat you know

32:17

like a a whole food plant based diet

32:20

and are a lot of comments like tell us what

32:22

you actually eat right and in the longer

32:24

podcast he goes into some detail

32:26

but he only gave like one or two example so

32:29

i think he had self awareness around not

32:31

fully answering that question and you send me

32:33

an email saying here's a full

32:35

like picture of what i eat and so

32:37

i copied that email and i created

32:39

a google doc out of it that there's

32:42

enough pretty robust hundred house

32:44

of like a major mike free my diet

32:47

saw a link that up in the showers i'm not going to read it

32:49

but it's like two pages long of like

32:51

various meals that he enjoys

32:53

so you want to get on board on the mike

32:55

freeman diet had that link be

32:57

like magnified there and be here be like

33:00

my like my right like

33:02

he he likes it might he likes it

33:04

or som yeah salman

33:06

rushdie obviously the tragedy happened

33:08

he was attacked five ,

33:11

apparently never go away and

33:13

ah he was attacked by

33:16

a crazy person driven by

33:18

you know i guess extremists

33:21

thirty or you missed are extremists

33:23

by extremist religious ideas and

33:26

he survived so is a

33:28

moment there were it looked pretty dire like he wasn't

33:30

going to rise so the person who

33:32

did that failed was put that out there

33:34

failed at the job which is great but

33:37

also because he's so strong and

33:39

but anyway i saw you been

33:41

up being an intellectual like

33:44

yourself you might have some thoughts on the arm

33:46

and and mean it's it's interesting it's been thirty

33:48

years of fatwa and him right

33:51

and it's like that long for this to catch

33:53

up to him that that fatwa

33:55

you know in the minds of someone

33:57

who inhabits that level of really

34:00

the zealotry has never wavered rain

34:02

so finally it ,

34:05

and it's shocking but also we

34:07

shouldn't be surprised like this is the

34:09

modus operandi i have have

34:11

, way of seeing

34:14

the world that is you know

34:16

antithetical to are

34:18

you know liberal democratic yeah

34:24

you know it's shocking it's also something

34:26

that i think all writers or

34:29

people who are participating

34:31

in public discourse need to

34:33

take note of especially as the world you

34:35

know seems at least from my

34:37

perspective to be descending into

34:40

a certain level of dissonance and

34:42

chaos then i don't remember you

34:44

know in my lifetime yeah and

34:47

is disturbing the

34:49

the zealotry that is going

34:51

on obviously

34:54

when it comes to this kind of thing is is

34:56

real life and death stuff but then there's also the

34:58

zealotry of controlling women's

35:01

bodies and then we also have

35:03

this increasing zealotry of

35:05

political ideology which

35:08

is not the same by is still

35:10

there and so liberalism is about

35:13

the able to express everything right

35:15

and so we have to check ourselves against

35:17

this zealotry

35:19

and the police we hold so strongly and

35:22

we can't let these the

35:24

leave necessarily define our

35:27

worldview because when you do and you become

35:29

more more myopic then

35:31

you just go into this funnel that can lead

35:33

to a pre dark place yeah yeah

35:36

well those funnels seem to be tightening

35:38

they do is to and there's more them yeah yeah

35:41

by good for in a salman rushdie for emma

35:43

he survives it out a bowl and

35:46

so wish him well yeah wishing him well

35:48

aren't let's take let's take breaks

35:50

and will be back with

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okay back to the south

38:43

you know we're talking in the break by

38:45

ah salman rushdie's

38:48

attacks on the first time right the japanese

38:50

translator of satanic verses was

38:52

killed the italian translator

38:55

was attacked and survived the

38:57

norwegian publisher was attacked shot

39:00

three times i believe survived i

39:02

think seventy nine people died

39:04

and protests around satanic verses so

39:06

when you see all of that you gotta

39:08

wonder like obviously

39:11

if you can't hold the rider responsible that's crazy

39:13

by like you do wonder like how does that way

39:15

like what do you think about dallas writing

39:18

something that leads to so much of

39:20

that is i can't even imagine

39:22

what can feel my yeah yeah

39:25

, mean it's quite treacherous yeah i feel like

39:27

the threat level like it or has

39:29

reached a different def con then

39:32

in past years like everything just

39:34

feels very heightened and and

39:36

there is see around can

39:38

i say this what will happen or i say this

39:41

and it's a weird horseshoe politics thing

39:43

because i think that applies on both sides

39:45

of the political blogger i'm obviously

39:48

you know the last historically being the champions

39:51

of free speech and now the

39:53

last you know being last you of

39:55

certain curtailing of free speech

39:57

you have right you know shouting for

40:00

brodeur free speech branch actions it's just

40:02

a very sad stream when is how many as you

40:04

time except when it comes to what you teach

40:06

kids in school right they're not yeah right

40:08

bring it all and or not i mean

40:10

i like you know when the search warrant was warrant

40:13

was executed i more lago it's like it's

40:15

ban the f b i again up the went

40:17

on the ethic act when it comes to a trans

40:19

issues like sick the as the eye on them

40:21

right now it's is so i tell ya you

40:23

know it's it's issue specific

40:25

when those agents showed up at marla ago

40:28

and ruined our perfect morning out

40:30

on the links a with it was treacherous man

40:32

i can imagine like how they would go into

40:34

the abyss emea was such a perfect day and mar

40:36

lago until that moment in i am now

40:38

a ah and listen adam where i know there's

40:40

great temptation to go down tomorrow

40:42

lago donald trump

40:45

oh right or alex jones

40:47

trial rabbit hole there's

40:49

a lot of delicious sudden fried

40:51

to be in our lives right with all of

40:53

that yeah let me tell you something i

40:56

heard something from a

40:58

writer you might have heard of called you've all know

41:00

a harare oh yes i heard him speak

41:03

and he said something that

41:05

really stuck with me and i actually been thinking about

41:07

it every single day he said don't

41:09

be a profiteer in the culture war

41:12

in other words like don't be a content

41:15

creator who is trying to monetize

41:18

strikes

41:20

or be a participant in

41:24

you know this this kind of ongoing

41:26

that or for hearts and minds i think there's a distinction

41:28

here because obviously if you have a platform

41:30

and you feel strongly about using

41:33

our platform to speaker truth

41:35

you should do that but that's different from

41:37

knowing how to activate

41:39

people or antagonize them

41:41

and doing it from you

41:44

know from a motivation place of profiting

41:46

in yeah i agree with them and i respect

41:49

that however sounds like he's never brunch with

41:51

alex jones over marla ago and that is

41:53

a wonderful what is actually slim italia

41:55

talk about a branch do you think that

41:58

that brunswick c d instead

42:00

of sitting down for brunch with alex jones

42:02

and enjoying however many bloody

42:04

marys he might enjoy a

42:09

and i we're not going to go there i was again

42:11

not guys want to say wasn't guess earns corner

42:13

however i guess demoralized i was just

42:16

there's who by scream and sometimes eating

42:18

out of town jobs in the business

42:20

that guy's open up an ice cream place in

42:22

manhattan video yeah it's called

42:24

chechen i forget what it's called what's

42:26

the guy's name began his friends with the school and

42:29

then molinaro the korean down and she went

42:31

there for the opening so it's nice

42:33

that he took his ice cream same

42:35

on tic toc and translated it into

42:38

a store for it and mortar brianna mortar

42:40

go in reverse was get him on the pod

42:43

you'd be good acts i know he listens well

42:45

now i feel bad i don't remember his name i'm with

42:47

you in the i don't sets

42:49

the low hanging fruit of the culture

42:51

wars now nobody needs as

42:54

moran now i

42:56

really don't want to be the muckraker

42:58

in that arena now can we joke

43:01

about it though the of course we

43:03

always can find but we're here today

43:05

adam the up to talk obscure

43:07

endurance sports has a we

43:10

live for an interesting raises

43:12

the sports news you didn't make the allies

43:14

yeah we're not participating in the culture

43:16

war but what we are doing is forcing

43:19

down people's throats a lot of people

43:21

throw the tiny sports

43:23

that most people don't carry out this is a sport

43:25

cas you never wanted ready

43:27

let's start spreads i go over to

43:29

you ah well we're going to start with one

43:31

of the larger sports minister was swimming

43:34

awkward close to my heart moon adam

43:36

death because a young man

43:38

from romania yell david popovich

43:41

at all as seventeen years old broke

43:43

the world record in the hundred freestyle

43:46

i'm doing what forty six eighty six at the

43:48

european championship series is the

43:50

youngest one hundred meter freestyle world

43:52

record holder there's lots of videos

43:54

on the internet of you know this

43:56

race if you're and swimming

43:58

twitter which i am yeah course everybody

44:00

and i i fall that guy that you you

44:03

know like is underwater form

44:05

is like the the most beautiful

44:08

unbelievable thing ever i support the video

44:10

ram like swimming like

44:12

look at as perfect form diane be

44:15

seventeen years old and break

44:17

that world record because if you're this

44:19

is a thing and thing talked about this with malcolm gladwell

44:21

like if you're that young

44:24

how many years of hardcore training

44:27

you have a new your belt right very many know

44:29

right now the how is he going so much faster

44:31

than any one ever has before

44:34

as such a young age when you think the answer as

44:36

he gets like the advance

44:38

of the human species like know got how world

44:40

records go awry i obviously

44:43

there's advances in training and nutrition

44:45

and recovery in the like the right informal

44:48

as as but you know is know is

44:50

that when you think a world record

44:52

will never get broken or there some feeling

44:55

or bar that would prevent

44:58

you know a human from ever doing a certain

45:00

thing and then they do we're all

45:03

kind of uplifted kinda good looking ahead to

45:05

super good looking kid obviously you

45:07

know huge bright new

45:09

star yeah and swimming and i mean is

45:11

as good as at me like as it goes after

45:14

i mean we have dress or and we have cade right

45:16

but yeah wrestles you know in the twilight

45:18

read his swimming career and he just did something

45:21

and it's twenty five meter pool at like the nc

45:23

a's or something he broke some i'm

45:25

payload record with of the two hundred and i can't

45:27

remember them is broken so many records was

45:29

really cool as they just did the single duel in the

45:31

pool that they do with ,

45:34

that often they hosted but it's a dual me between

45:36

australia deny news and they do all these wacky

45:40

as that's right and they fire off

45:42

like slain plumes

45:44

and they try to make it into like a spectacle and

45:46

they did this ah like ah two hundred

45:48

i am as and but you got to choose the

45:51

order of strokes now relies so

45:53

like they die than and one guy something backstroke

45:55

something one guy something freestyle one guy something butterfly

45:58

something they separate dramatically over the course

46:00

of two hundred meters and then you

46:02

know the guy who's like finishing with breaststroke

46:04

against the guys finishing with freestyle who's

46:07

fifty meters behind him like is he gonna catch

46:09

him he announced what would there's announced limit your order

46:11

really nice shot also goes to the malcolm

46:13

gladwell thing of like how do you make these more

46:16

obscure sports obscure interesting write you a mainstream

46:19

audience and mainstream think the in creative

46:21

and like letting go of traditional little bit and

46:24

you know experimenting with some of that stuff is fun

46:26

and cool it would you do a different order which

46:28

is usually backstroke first right now

46:31

it flies ally back for an ogre

46:33

yeah and they do like

46:35

really short races and yeah i

46:37

rise of stuff

46:40

we have to me other

46:42

things going on me popovich also said

46:44

the world junior record and the tuner

46:46

freestyle with the fastest don't

46:49

swim in history was the third fastest

46:52

or fourth fastest performance of all time third

46:55

fastest performer of all time so

46:57

clearly so clearly in the making yeah that's

46:59

this concludes swimming news

47:01

for role on episode seven hundred

47:03

matlosz move over to death valley dat

47:06

our it what we do have a little

47:08

bit of a an update on the badwater

47:10

situation now talked about the ass time

47:13

yes there was some controversy

47:15

over the women's victor

47:17

ashley paulson humor some people

47:19

who are skeptical that she

47:21

, won the race or

47:24

their might have been some shenanigans if you want to

47:26

hear us discuss that go back

47:28

and listen to that that's i thought it would

47:30

be the responsible thing to kind of update

47:32

everybody on on what's transpired

47:35

ah their the initial

47:37

whoa spy marathon investigation that

47:39

was really questioning the veracity of a results

47:42

are has done an exhaustive analysis

47:45

and ended up publishing another

47:48

post on this that goes into

47:50

extreme detail like analyzing

47:52

her garmin data and

47:55

yeah comparing her performance the

47:57

past other performers and

48:00

you're looking a gp x files and

48:03

grass and dinner talking

48:05

to people who are on course etc and

48:08

basically concluded you know

48:10

this post goes on and i are on forever what

48:12

lincoln up in the shots for basically ends up saying

48:14

that he can help the conclude that her

48:17

result is legit so

48:19

i just wanted up point that out super

48:22

there's another guy who on a sub stack

48:24

is not having it i'll

48:26

, dot up as well some guy named kevin back rent

48:29

alone post about these ugly saying that he

48:31

doesn't believe that she did it but luck

48:34

the marathon investigator guy

48:37

you know he really spent really lot of time

48:39

looking at this and towards

48:42

that and chris cosmen who's the race director

48:44

of yard water wrote a long post basically

48:46

saying she , this

48:48

victory and he explains

48:50

why and he also highlights a lot

48:53

of other other performances

48:55

that sort of came out of the blue which is part

48:57

of the dispute around ashley and

49:00

he includes to as gave dog

49:02

and says performs like the first time that he did

49:04

it and kind of coming out of nowhere as a bigger

49:06

guy and i'm actually in our in

49:09

distinguishing himself and then coming back

49:11

to without a huge improvement on the year

49:14

before and basically says this is there is

49:16

historical precedent for this so anyway

49:18

well if kaufman said so said believe i'm

49:21

chris costs men i mean he's run that race for every

49:23

has and is the law on badwater

49:26

yeah and well were you know talking about

49:28

one hundred and thirty mile races

49:30

on tarmac we got to talk about

49:33

owes talk lack of room and again

49:36

friend of the pod afghan if he he came

49:38

on the part because of adam adam is

49:40

you know the contact point there the connective

49:42

tissue owes not only

49:45

is , unbelievable mentalist he

49:47

broke robbie ballenger central park record

49:50

and we talked about that before and

49:52

then then ban

49:54

two weeks ago i think he

49:56

did this extraordinary challenge where this

49:58

extraordinary one hundred and the plus

50:00

miles from montage

50:03

the very tip of long island like out

50:05

past the hamptons all the way to manhattan

50:07

hundred and thirty nine square on city streets

50:09

to times square and he did it in

50:12

twenty one hours unbelievable which

50:14

is crazy crazy including

50:16

throwing down like six minute

50:19

plus pace during the last five

50:21

or ten k yeah and running a size

50:23

i think he ran a five fifty six sinama

50:26

yes he got a freak

50:28

a the free guy he called me i think miles

50:30

seventy s or something i talked to him during

50:33

ah and ah he ,

50:35

come through a house period was

50:37

high was like the hottest day the year he

50:39

also did it in our our

50:42

muscle midday the yeah now as

50:44

sorry as he's meant like yeah presses

50:47

humidity yeah and he made his you know he

50:49

said there is some darker moments as was harder obviously

50:51

then the and central park sang

50:53

in there were dark even you know they were darker moments

50:55

i mean i'm mostly because the weather i weather and

50:58

he yeah he definitely he dug a hole

51:00

but then he crawled out of and he was easy

51:02

saw the darkness yeah that

51:04

is unusual is that it all seems like a breeze

51:07

with them yeah for some reason because he goes hard

51:09

to he goes quick you know he goes quick by

51:11

he was able to keep going and killed

51:14

at once he got into manhattan and then i think

51:16

as think through owes form got on a plane

51:18

leaves the next day and i flew to tampa bay

51:20

the like entertain at him at box yeah hang

51:22

out with tom brady eyes with tom for any day

51:25

after east africa central park things

51:27

he went directly a man just went directly is

51:29

the i

51:33

the i spoke to ravi balancer

51:35

about it briefly and

51:39

he

51:39

he he loves those he was

51:41

yeah he's so impressed with that you know how

51:44

much faster owes ran the central park

51:46

thing then than he did and

51:48

, pointed out athletes that owes is a guy

51:50

who although he has quite

51:53

a profile as a profile as sort

51:57

of like are not given his

51:59

do and of the running community like really

52:01

not well when you think of the great

52:03

ultra runners like he doesn't come to mind

52:05

read his performances are unbelievable

52:08

yes and so the hope with this in

52:10

amman talk to manhattan thing was that that would

52:12

put him on the map and a new and interesting

52:14

way and your ravi wanted to help

52:16

do that so robbie and

52:19

risk robinson he used to whatever me about

52:21

me about creator have created this thing

52:23

called the audacious or four which

52:26

is a you tube channel that is making

52:28

really high end documentaries

52:31

are many documentaries about athletes

52:33

and races in the ultra running

52:35

world so they chronicled owes

52:37

his mom talked to manhattan thing and

52:39

i'm sure they're editing together or something amazing

52:42

they shared it you know you should follow audacious report

52:44

on instagram the if you're interested in this stuff because

52:46

like their instagram stories like you can

52:48

follow these things in real time that's how i followed

52:51

the owes to run yeah yeah

52:53

i think they were in leadville just yeah which

52:55

brings us to leadville because they went there

52:57

to chronicle hello boy

53:00

our city ballet running

53:02

, only running leadville for the first time

53:05

as far as i know it's his first even though is

53:07

run across the country years hunter around in

53:09

around black person to do that he had never

53:11

really done really race or any race

53:14

or any were also race the

53:16

read done ten case or marathon or he had

53:18

yeah i'm sure he's the i think he's done a lot about

53:20

that kind of stuff but i don't think is he

53:23

entered a former ultra thin and really doesn't

53:25

have much experience on trails period

53:27

of your lives in new jersey and run city streets

53:30

rice relatively flat terrain

53:32

ah but he put leadville on the calendar

53:35

he went out early to spend

53:38

time with robbie they

53:40

like where he was like living where the my tank and

53:42

robbie lives in a small colorado town and

53:44

they went up to lead all for like a training camps

53:46

so he could return the course and all of that

53:49

and eat it good or boy

53:52

did pretty good he ran leadville in

53:54

twenty seven forty four maze

53:57

and he was the one hundred and forty six finisher

53:59

overall that one hundred and eighteenth mail

54:01

he was forty first and a thirty

54:03

to thirty nine age group i'm

54:05

so it's not like oh he just went out and

54:07

and now on it but i was very interested to see

54:10

how , was going to do because when you see him

54:12

running you know a and on his instagram or whatever

54:15

he has this incredibly beautiful oh

54:17

yeah long stride he looks like

54:19

a a gazelle like a you know a track

54:21

and field athlete that's what a runner should look like

54:23

a yank when i see that but that's not how how

54:26

i like know like leadville

54:28

go like what is going to have like yes he ran

54:30

across the united states you're saying you don't want a believable

54:33

athlete you don't necessarily want to have a high

54:35

stride as my there's a lot of walking

54:38

and climbing and you know and it's

54:40

a whole different color kind of thing

54:43

you know so in my mind it was

54:45

like he's either going to absolutely destroy

54:47

and crush it or he's going to not finish and

54:49

so i think he seems like he ran

54:51

a really smart race and i'm sure a lot of

54:53

that had to do with robbie's robbie's

54:55

council and interestingly

54:58

he beat harvey louis by

55:00

like an hour or more harvey who

55:02

is a you know an unbelievably

55:05

an , elite ultra

55:08

you know distance competitor but i would

55:10

say what harvey's does so many

55:12

races you know well yeah guys like doing one

55:14

hundred mile race is like almost every weekend early

55:16

other weekend you know what would have happened

55:18

if harvey made leadville his number

55:20

one priority and focused on that probably would

55:22

have been have bit of a different thing but you

55:24

know for context our being

55:27

you're in his very first ultra

55:30

and you know besting harvey is is

55:32

like no small thing so congrats to both of them

55:34

love both you guys and just also

55:36

for context the winter adrian [unk] mcdonald

55:39

did it in sixteen hours and five minutes

55:41

which is unbelief gotta be a record right is

55:43

that a leno record i don't think it is i

55:45

dunno i should probably know that but i i don't think it's

55:47

a record the crazy kind

55:50

hours a day or easier to do this hope

55:52

pass chlamydia going up to twelve thousand

55:54

the on her seed it's is pretty range from

55:56

man and twelve my prayers are you and it

55:58

was like raining at one point

55:59

the whole

56:01

the

56:02

unbelievable and shutout declare gallagher

56:04

the women's winner ah who completed

56:06

it in nineteen hours and thirty seven

56:09

minutes south him and know basically yeah

56:11

like i just eight hours faster than

56:13

hello right right

56:16

insane yeah she's very

56:18

gifted athlete as well i mean adrian mcdonalds

56:21

going eleven hours faster

56:23

than hella right well some of these i

56:25

mean i i would have i wonder where adrian his base

56:27

claire's based in boulder you know she's like

56:29

a lot i would imagine a lot of the like top

56:32

ultra got play live at all today live

56:34

in i live in the mountain and yeah yeah they don't

56:36

live in a new jersey summer know yeah

56:39

anyway i'm you can find all

56:41

the results at results at

56:43

i'm if you're watching on video you can see what it looks

56:45

like here will linked up on the show notes if you want to

56:48

check that out and a museum

56:50

cfl our to the audacious report

56:52

yeah a documentary that

56:54

is hopefully to come and i i

56:56

am interested to see if hella does more of these he

57:00

looks pretty stout he looked great of yeah yeah i

57:02

know he does that that you know name's

57:04

his trade my love it you know at what

57:07

do you call that and are adjacent a blue

57:09

that lie at the end of on your runs now

57:12

, will chastened doesn't

57:15

viva while we should shoutout blake

57:17

who just ran bulldogs sdk any

57:19

past week and yeah i miss that

57:21

miss now see play it's all

57:23

these runners losing weight eating

57:25

plan for now conquering ultras

57:28

conquering money may get on board by won't even be able to

57:30

get able rowley nomination they're just trying to get mad that

57:32

sort as i can join them it looked like

57:34

you are running recently little bit yeah like on

57:36

my back is relatively stable i'm not paying

57:39

for i'm and i'm just testing it out with some really

57:41

light zone some kind

57:43

of walk jog hiding things

57:45

i started out when i was in london i

57:47

would just go out in the morning and

57:50

spend three hours kind of walking of walking bit

57:52

are jog a little bit and walk and just

57:54

i just wanted to see how them back when

57:56

whole that's ah and it didn't

57:58

seem to exacerbated it's not like

58:00

oh it's gone and i have a green light

58:03

is go full bore so i'm

58:05

being very gentle on myself but for

58:07

my mental health just to get out and elevate

58:09

my her elevate little bit has been nice has gray

58:12

matter happy to hear that ah

58:14

after the mountains we got you t m b we

58:16

are today so we're recording this on monday

58:19

august twenty second it's a whole week of races

58:21

such as one race ah know john

58:23

mcavoy he just texted me some

58:25

images he did one of the races and maybe

58:27

the forty km not sure but

58:30

the big one is coming up this weekend

58:32

is gonna be an interesting showdowns

58:35

i think that there's a really good chance that

58:37

some american women can distinguish

58:39

themselves this year i think the the race to watch

58:41

on the men's side ah ,

58:43

going to be gym walmsley

58:46

who moved to france to train with

58:48

france was done done

58:50

so did a podcast with that's coming up coming

58:53

a gym has had trouble cracking

58:55

this race i think this will be his

58:57

fourth attempt is never won

59:00

it this year he for went the

59:02

western say one hundred to really just focus

59:04

on this race kind of the way lance

59:06

armstrong was the first to

59:09

really focus on a tour de france where i didn't

59:11

do all he like opted out of a lot of

59:13

the other races to so he could he

59:15

was like this is the one that matters and the it's interesting

59:17

that matters gym is having that approach to

59:19

u having m b a mrs williams had already

59:22

first mom block mom long as

59:24

i was if it's in earnest prestigious

59:27

the celebrated ultra

59:29

trail race in the world in the world is like

59:31

badlands odors com is like an insane

59:34

or media circus like a really

59:36

big deal is the boston marathon

59:38

no american has ever won at roka

59:40

so that's what everyone's gonna be looking

59:42

for been gotta go up against kilian and

59:45

, are some other you know interesting competitors

59:48

so we'll see what allianz going to be there

59:50

killings going to be there the i

59:53

had any in kilian has won

59:55

has yacht or i or even know how many times

59:57

when advance three or four times are

1:00:00

they'll heroin is doing it's about be cool

1:00:02

front of the pod and ah stay to

1:00:04

move report back on that are from

1:00:06

the mountains to the see we

1:00:08

go on the mound slavery or blue friends

1:00:11

there was vertical blue for those unfamiliar

1:00:15

quote unquote

1:00:17

am i calling myself with the wimbledon of freediving

1:00:19

i don't know it now has been said by so

1:00:22

many people in so many different publications

1:00:24

i can remember at least barrett the

1:00:26

great photographer i think ah

1:00:28

defined it that way to me way back when

1:00:31

and i stolen from her and put it in print

1:00:33

and ah you plagiarizing

1:00:36

faster plagiarizing it's hey

1:00:39

what's it called it's a license yasser

1:00:41

allies and owed in our hoods

1:00:43

ah so this year the

1:00:45

, performances how that just have

1:00:47

to open it up there are four

1:00:50

disciplines that people compete in there

1:00:52

is constant way which is with on one second

1:00:54

yeah let me to say she asks

1:00:57

here we are back talking about freediving again

1:01:00

try out a sign out as sign try to

1:01:02

escape like strange

1:01:05

world that no one cares about yeah here

1:01:07

we are again i specialize in st

1:01:09

charles that no one cares about he get his

1:01:11

they're like a governing body to have freed

1:01:13

either is not about not be paying

1:01:16

us for , this promotion

1:01:18

after when i say they might not want to

1:01:20

access access

1:01:23

i sat with a with basically

1:01:26

just break it down there are four disciplines there's

1:01:28

constant wait for he slept with him on offense

1:01:30

there's free immersion where you put yourself down a

1:01:32

rope and back again

1:01:35

i'll on one brass there's i'll on know

1:01:37

fins that means are just two and a breaststroke

1:01:40

down basically amount of my brush stroke and back

1:01:42

and then there is constantly by

1:01:44

since just like the see orlando in

1:01:46

this photograph right here it's

1:01:48

a long by fantasy spear fishing

1:01:50

and wexham oh yeah very flexible individual

1:01:53

for exactly and they are tethered

1:01:55

to align they swim down on one breath

1:01:57

grab a tag and bring it up and

1:01:59

once they the service they have to prove that

1:02:01

they're with it and there's and surface protocol

1:02:03

involvement with they are to get a white card

1:02:06

to get points to get credit for if it's a record

1:02:08

there were two men's world records

1:02:11

at this event one was one hundred

1:02:13

twenty seven meter free immersion die

1:02:15

from a t s molina from poland who

1:02:18

i've seen dive once before and ah

1:02:20

of mega performance he'd tried it twice

1:02:23

the first attempt he did not make it the

1:02:25

second and he turned early the second time

1:02:27

he did make it and then there was one hundred and twenty

1:02:29

meters from our nose or all he

1:02:32

is a twenty six year old young

1:02:34

study i think he's the most exciting young

1:02:36

athlete on the men's side that we've seen in quite

1:02:38

some time in the sport so it's pretty great because

1:02:40

he did something that we've never seen with by since

1:02:43

by since were even i'd category when i was kind

1:02:45

of cataloging all this for one breasts

1:02:48

but at the at that time and i think he believe in god

1:02:50

or hundred meters and by sense because

1:02:52

ah you know says are taking especially

1:02:54

can't even do it really that efficiently right

1:02:57

most people who compete even with bisons

1:02:59

are doing a dolphin thousand is a way

1:03:01

more assistant this guy kick

1:03:03

scissor kick back from that

1:03:06

mm it's amazing i i put a video showing

1:03:08

the i dunno does he npr

1:03:10

has a video m i didn't see the first

1:03:13

twenty meters by the time i saw a video he

1:03:15

was already free falling in the video isi

1:03:17

i sent you an npr clip that

1:03:19

they put it on their instagram of our know

1:03:22

i'm and i spoke with him and he is a

1:03:24

just really delightful guy he grew up spear

1:03:26

fishing in france and just

1:03:29

fell in love with i'm going

1:03:31

deep and he always used by fans it

1:03:33

was like second nature for him and so

1:03:35

for the last five years he's been able to have sponsors

1:03:37

and compete a and just focus as a professional

1:03:40

athlete i'm and he is going to

1:03:42

start looking at the mana finn because i mean

1:03:44

if you're doing one twenty and by fins

1:03:46

what's your potential with a monica and remember the

1:03:48

record is one hundred and thirty meters ahead so

1:03:50

that's a a lexi's world record and

1:03:53

alexey wasn't there and

1:03:55

that brings us to ada a

1:03:57

he was banned from vertical blue

1:04:00

the wimbledon or freediving in the i target literally

1:04:02

eight it is the governing body eight as the governor

1:04:04

body of there's two competing ones but

1:04:06

for this eight as a governing body and

1:04:09

ah they took that women and for freediving

1:04:12

literally and band russians when

1:04:14

white russians compete arm as if

1:04:17

ladder your food and had any idea what first

1:04:20

got through or a day as out

1:04:22

, sell lexi who has obviously

1:04:24

is not in saver have any of this was

1:04:27

banned and it's unfortunate because

1:04:29

then you had a chance to have records broken

1:04:31

back ah speaking to alexi

1:04:33

he's highly confident he could he's going

1:04:35

to take both records back when he's allowed to

1:04:37

skis hoping to get a pass or made it to compete

1:04:40

in the next competitions coming up his

1:04:42

training right now and in class turkey

1:04:45

and he's told me that when he thinks

1:04:47

the human limited on these guys be bar even

1:04:49

scratchy at he says he has a lot less denim

1:04:51

and is eager to do it but

1:04:54

he also was of good spirits his eat you know are

1:04:56

no is one of the most snobs athletes loves

1:04:59

are now and was really happy for

1:05:01

him and so he like his just the way the

1:05:03

talked about it was ah it was amazing

1:05:05

so ah it's unfortunate

1:05:07

ah think for vertical blue and for vertical dozen that

1:05:09

they would ban their best athlete

1:05:12

is a seems especially when they're trying

1:05:14

to sell like pay per view to get to see the dive

1:05:16

i and you don't have your best athlete they're

1:05:18

just is struck me as athlete kind of the

1:05:20

wrong choice on the women side

1:05:22

a link art neck is the deepest woman ever

1:05:24

on constant way and

1:05:26

she had hit a hundred twyla hundred twenty five meters

1:05:29

in training and that would be a new world

1:05:31

record that she attempted a hundred and twenty

1:05:33

three meters a thinks her records one twenty

1:05:35

two she's had two hundred and twenty three meters

1:05:37

on her first dive and didn't make guess

1:05:39

i'm in fact since the blackout was her

1:05:41

first black mountain competition so never

1:05:43

had enough for her second i've she doubted

1:05:46

back in one hundred and eleven meters comfortably

1:05:48

good enough to win that discipline but that was

1:05:50

the only white card dive she did she kind of

1:05:52

hinted at burn out on her instagram and it's

1:05:54

taken a step back in his shows you that

1:05:56

like this obsessive compulsive the keep

1:05:58

going to keep going you can buy back

1:06:00

at you was i've heard of from other

1:06:03

athletes south obviously i'm a huge

1:06:05

fan and respect or like a lot

1:06:07

some hoping that ah

1:06:09

you know everything's good and she's back out there

1:06:11

fatima corak of hungry one the overall

1:06:13

for women and that's it

1:06:15

i want to shout out also to my power

1:06:17

great freediving from japan name's had so hora

1:06:19

who is more of our jan add

1:06:22

, i've vince yeah he's been at every com it is

1:06:24

i've i've been out i think every time

1:06:26

i've been a vertical blue he's been there and

1:06:29

am he's com and dove with acid doom a

1:06:31

couple of times and he hit ninety six meters

1:06:33

his personal man said that that

1:06:35

pretty cool mom and so

1:06:37

sad sack address i'll send a will subregion

1:06:39

another great another i really

1:06:41

hope to get back to long island one day and

1:06:43

see these guys can p is fun to see orlando

1:06:46

bloom they're pretty cool yes so

1:06:48

sad that's what caught my attention

1:06:51

is orlando bloom's instagram post

1:06:53

yeah where , gorgeous

1:06:55

photograph of him that him

1:06:57

right there with the bisons is it not yeah

1:07:00

he got on the line i think he did you know there's there's

1:07:02

opener dives and they have whoever like

1:07:04

they kind of give that as it's for the

1:07:06

itself like kind of the first pitch and

1:07:08

saturn of he didn't know better damn i think he did and

1:07:10

santa ana how did he went but he got on the line

1:07:13

and did a dive they are he was as

1:07:15

a he was there camilla jabber and are as

1:07:17

at the my be harbor she's

1:07:19

, mexico see did some national records

1:07:22

and she works as

1:07:24

start doubling in some business so

1:07:26

i'd seems like he was there's see her son the maybe

1:07:28

they've crossed paths paths

1:07:31

like sees world record as a hundred and thirty

1:07:33

hundred thirty meters with constant weight and he

1:07:35

has ah think it was hundred twenty six meters

1:07:37

and free immersion and you

1:07:39

just imagine that that's then

1:07:42

you gotta go back rights we have double that

1:07:44

right and now imagine basically

1:07:46

swimming that distance in a pool without

1:07:48

taking a breath while swimming

1:07:51

two hundred and sixty meters so

1:07:53

that that isn't even accounting for you

1:07:55

know all of the pressure and of

1:07:58

afghanistan fiat unbelievable dynamic

1:08:01

is what you're talking about and i

1:08:03

i'd have to look what the world record

1:08:05

is in dynamic and ass going

1:08:07

back and forth and though a looks like

1:08:09

the world record for

1:08:11

dynamic is almost three hundred

1:08:13

meters on they see yeah

1:08:16

three hundred meters that

1:08:18

mathias as well molina so

1:08:20

he had that's that's three hundred meters in

1:08:22

a pool back and forth back and four and

1:08:24

the way one way i know yeah

1:08:27

they're them in their hold their breath for like four minutes

1:08:29

in a swimming a that is the record

1:08:31

for civil right now talking though lexi

1:08:33

he thinks that the record like he thinks the human

1:08:35

limit for consummates like hundred and fifty

1:08:38

meters that's what he thinks and close to that he's

1:08:40

brewing up a special events and

1:08:42

that i i won't league now and hopefully

1:08:44

as it comes to fruition but it's another big

1:08:46

spectacle so he's i did he took

1:08:48

it personally anything in different ways of come

1:08:50

back to it but at the same time he to get lightly

1:08:52

says most at the same time so

1:08:55

yeah i just think any time the

1:08:57

i got the same thing with wimbledon i think the hold

1:08:59

russian athletes accountable for the decisions

1:09:02

of very few people and i'm in this case

1:09:04

one the person who is obviously

1:09:06

scenes and is

1:09:08

just silly doesn't make any sense to me

1:09:10

and as another thing that we talked about

1:09:13

with with , gladwell

1:09:15

yeah because his whole legacy of speed thing

1:09:17

is all about like them the intersection

1:09:20

of sport and activism

1:09:22

and the role of the athletes

1:09:24

at the olympiad and and

1:09:26

up with the conclusion when you kind of look down

1:09:28

through history is that these bans are

1:09:30

really ineffective they might be motivated

1:09:33

by good concern sure

1:09:36

they're not actually doing anything like

1:09:38

actually allowing the athletes who are victims

1:09:40

and all of this to compete and perhaps

1:09:42

providing an opportunity for the

1:09:45

athletes to have the ability to

1:09:47

be activists should they choose to

1:09:49

is a better route towards addressing

1:09:52

that concern agreed in

1:09:54

only addressing banning medvedev only think was the

1:09:56

world number one of the time from wimbledon and

1:09:58

like he's not joking we're be and i were

1:10:00

banning joke about cigarettes is like is a

1:10:02

lot of banning going on ms like to

1:10:04

me like joke of it's was banned from australia

1:10:07

for the sign up and he's a band for here

1:10:09

i don't agree with his take on vaccines and on agree

1:10:11

with it or are think it's a mistake i think he has

1:10:13

shown some behavior that is questionable

1:10:16

ah at times during this thing

1:10:18

but it's amazing greatest it's is

1:10:21

arguably the best ever if

1:10:23

you're running the tennis comfort tennis it's think he can't tell

1:10:25

me that the guy it's not like he's the number one ranked

1:10:27

person he just a new guys he's been

1:10:30

around for around long time he's made he's made

1:10:32

of these people lot of money is great

1:10:34

for the sport and you

1:10:36

can't make a special exceptions for one of the

1:10:38

greatest of all time see i personally

1:10:40

i understand rule of law by i

1:10:42

think we can make exceptions for the greatest of us

1:10:45

i think i think we can either a

1:10:48

leader standards that is an elite enough

1:10:50

is an elite i'm not i'm not saying off the

1:10:52

the elite remains i agree on break the

1:10:54

rules adam that's what you're saying i'm

1:10:57

saying in our in our like tiptoeing

1:10:59

into the culture wars i'm

1:11:01

not saying the great uncertainty away from neither

1:11:03

have neither say the grades can break the rules

1:11:05

i'm saying of their sadly what your snow i'm

1:11:07

saying there should be exceptions to certain

1:11:10

rules for exceptional

1:11:12

human beings right that's inherently

1:11:14

by definition and elitist statement but

1:11:18

i'm not one of those people said no but

1:11:20

i just believe this thing that i'm not that

1:11:24

guy here we

1:11:26

are was cut that out guys look

1:11:29

at all a slow right back

1:11:31

in the alex jones and mara lago yeah

1:11:33

we are again no matter what we try to do

1:11:35

you could say that anything you want about me

1:11:37

going tomorrow lago and hang out without zones

1:11:40

you wouldn't take that invitation are

1:11:43

, out of pure fascination and

1:11:45

you would have to erase folks i did

1:11:47

not go to more lago dot a

1:11:49

branch without i don't even like branch i hate branch

1:11:52

ah man okay one last person

1:11:54

to fat yeah one last person we gotta we

1:11:56

gotta taken had breaker and seconds antonio

1:11:59

are glass damn pretty great the

1:12:02

leave your fellow sanford alum

1:12:05

this guy just completed

1:12:08

what is called the forty bridges for

1:12:10

those not in the now mark following

1:12:13

the day by day ins and outs of

1:12:15

, swimming the forty bridges is

1:12:18

the double manhattan signs basically something all

1:12:20

the way around manhattan twice in one

1:12:22

ninety one point eight kilometers in other

1:12:24

words forty two miles miles

1:12:26

just did it and not only did he

1:12:28

do it isn't the first to do it like that now

1:12:30

the forty bridges as a thing like many people

1:12:33

have done it but he did it's in less

1:12:35

than twenty hours and is the oldest person

1:12:37

to have ever night owl disease and it is a guy

1:12:39

three d yeah sixty three wow

1:12:41

and he he did the a the oldest city the

1:12:43

ocean seven which are the in other seven grade

1:12:45

crossings is the oldest to do

1:12:47

that then he did at it fifty eight years

1:12:49

old i wrote about

1:12:51

him for the or times there and then later he came

1:12:54

at bros me i helped him right his

1:12:56

book forever swim which is was

1:12:58

reside commission spanish now as is available

1:13:00

in english as well and these last

1:13:02

few years he's been focused on doing the double triple

1:13:05

crown so did double catalina melissa

1:13:08

do that friday double

1:13:10

english last year and was like

1:13:13

three to four five miles maybe the most

1:13:15

from from doing it and

1:13:18

, just got caught in one of those tides

1:13:20

and i couldn't go and he's got calm he got hypothermic

1:13:23

and they pull them and he was literally a couple

1:13:25

miles or something i forget what it was a he saw

1:13:28

i mean he was there near dover dover

1:13:30

so vast tasked by did he led

1:13:32

dad pushing back now he does this is

1:13:34

already got a both ready for double

1:13:36

english again and twenty twenty four and

1:13:38

for nancy got nancy cigar was crazy when you see this

1:13:40

guy he's like he's a big burly

1:13:42

yeah harold chested guy

1:13:45

ladies aguero balladur he of open

1:13:47

water guys are always very robust

1:13:49

he calls it his bio prince you

1:13:53

gotta have that are you gonna put gonna

1:13:55

you know you gotta get like eating eager to get

1:13:57

the whale blubber go on as you're going to going and do these

1:14:00

for flotation and for maintaining

1:14:02

core body temp yeah he trains

1:14:04

in lhasa tech as a lhasa stack s

1:14:06

a stock a second real

1:14:08

a river outside mexico city

1:14:11

where he trains i also trains in

1:14:13

the pool is in mexico city and

1:14:16

really great fine amazing

1:14:18

intellectual type guy and

1:14:21

die anyway always

1:14:23

fun always has mariachis at the end yeah

1:14:25

he found some mariachi used to party with the

1:14:27

end so that's fun it's on his instagram

1:14:30

it's such a cool accomplishment and yet

1:14:32

you know here we are talking about it there's no

1:14:34

press on this know i google

1:14:37

that there's not one i mean there's an article

1:14:39

like steve movietone us did a p saying that

1:14:41

he was going to do it and it was an article

1:14:43

about the various competitors who are going to tackle

1:14:45

the forty bridges but not one article

1:14:47

was written about ,

1:14:49

results or you know what he had

1:14:51

accomplished i couldn't pitch him because

1:14:54

a i couldn't bring it to new york times

1:14:56

because we've covered him when he did ocean seven

1:14:58

so it's unclear if they would have done it again anyway

1:15:00

and also because i collaborated with him on his book

1:15:03

it's kind of i can't really now it's

1:15:05

stories on him because i know i'm too well yeah a

1:15:07

friend yeah absolutely so much for me

1:15:09

ever being in the new york times ever again i mean

1:15:11

it's not going to be all right

1:15:16

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slow is it just because we haven't done it

1:18:45

and while i'm just happy to see you you

1:18:48

know i have that a second a lot of people

1:18:50

i call it report and everywhere i go

1:18:52

i have cultivates resign him up without

1:18:54

words sometimes report does is not

1:18:56

reciprocated as easily but

1:18:59

give me time i will build

1:19:01

report whether you like it or not or

1:19:03

it well as us continue

1:19:05

to cultivate the

1:19:08

gallon i like a wheat report ah

1:19:11

once again we are resisting

1:19:13

the impostor partake in the culture

1:19:15

wars we are not going to talk about donald

1:19:17

trump we're not going to talk about alex

1:19:20

jones who we are going to talk about

1:19:24

one rainn wilson dwight

1:19:26

schrute from the office wire we heard

1:19:28

of about this item because

1:19:31

you put a video up a highlight reel

1:19:34

you're doing is cool cliffs now you're

1:19:36

doing these highlight clips on your

1:19:38

on your instagram which

1:19:41

i love by the idea they also got you have a tick

1:19:43

tock are they going on and six are going on here to talk

1:19:45

to although i don't have anything to do with tic toc

1:19:47

okay aj manages that would tell

1:19:49

people how this all started because like i think people

1:19:51

need to that why because you've just kind of launched

1:19:53

these and and round these people are love and on

1:19:55

but die so tell us how the so

1:19:57

started so when i when i had cove it the

1:20:00

second time yeah and i was lying in

1:20:02

bed all day bored out of my mind i

1:20:04

just thought like my relationship to instagram

1:20:06

has always been relatively cavalier

1:20:09

like yards through pictures from

1:20:11

the latest podcast i always make announcements

1:20:14

about you know who's on the show ah

1:20:16

, beyond that like i don't treat

1:20:18

it like a business it's are like i'd

1:20:20

post want to see a like ed and and

1:20:23

just don't want to be beholden to it or

1:20:25

feel like it's an onerous an

1:20:28

but while i was lying in bed i was like and and

1:20:30

so i probably so posting i

1:20:32

post once a week or twice a week

1:20:34

or something like that ah farm

1:20:36

lying in bed and we have all this contact

1:20:39

cause for every episode we generate always

1:20:41

videos and we have all these assets and

1:20:43

i in of sharing like a tiny fraction

1:20:45

of what we actually has historically

1:20:48

going actually over like you know

1:20:50

hundreds of episodes i thought well i'm

1:20:52

just here i wonder what would happen if i did bled

1:20:55

the seed and just like poorest three times

1:20:57

a day like when times see what happens

1:21:00

on so i started doing that particularly

1:21:03

video of his i started that instagram is favoring

1:21:05

that right now and there's a lot of shifts

1:21:07

and you know their algorithm what they're serving

1:21:10

up to be born on people are disgruntled

1:21:12

about that you can be angry and wished and instagram

1:21:15

was different than it is or you could just be like

1:21:17

well this is what's happening right now

1:21:19

with see what happens if i just get on

1:21:21

board with that and start

1:21:23

in are sharing what what their

1:21:25

savoring and so i did that in

1:21:28

these videos ended up getting a lot of use

1:21:31

and we added like one hundred thousand new

1:21:33

followers to the instagram account

1:21:35

and like two weeks and like the growth was ridiculous

1:21:38

and the thing about it is if the algorithm doesn't

1:21:40

like the video the no one sees it anyway so it's

1:21:42

not like wise rich posting so many videos

1:21:44

rice ah so from

1:21:47

that experience we sort of came

1:21:49

back and said well as really prioritize

1:21:51

this how can we elevate the

1:21:54

a static of the reels that were

1:21:56

showing so we're distinguishing ourselves him

1:21:58

and really presenting

1:21:59

the wisdom of the podcast gas in

1:22:02

the most elegant way possible

1:22:04

and the team com

1:22:06

specifically damn you know came up with

1:22:08

this new design wish i'd love and is beautiful

1:22:11

and people seem to enjoy and some

1:22:13

of these videos have gone on to do millions of views

1:22:15

but the one video that

1:22:17

isn't the real viral outlier

1:22:19

is his clip from the podcast

1:22:22

that i did with rainn wilson and reza

1:22:24

oslo on were rain

1:22:26

goes on a bit of a jaunts about

1:22:29

how to spend your time as a twenty

1:22:31

something basically saying right that

1:22:33

you know young people

1:22:36

colleges people are

1:22:39

, concerned with their future and

1:22:41

super stressed out and are having

1:22:44

higher rates of depression etc because

1:22:47

of the pressures incident to trying to

1:22:49

figure out what to do with your lies in his message

1:22:51

was basically like don't sweat it like your

1:22:53

twenties or for experimentation there for

1:22:56

going out for the world gathering experiences

1:22:58

and not worrying about your

1:23:01

career trajectory and just enjoying

1:23:03

your life while you don't have a

1:23:05

lot of ties or or responsibilities

1:23:07

or obligations and so may wishes play

1:23:10

the way out as quickly what

1:23:12

is your wish to die i don't even worry about

1:23:14

not trying get it figured out like your to the

1:23:17

point of your twenties is to try twelve

1:23:19

different things and fail at nine

1:23:21

of them but truthfully

1:23:23

in society right now you talked to so many

1:23:25

college kids and they're so depressed dot on

1:23:28

his honeymoon cause they don't they haven't gotten

1:23:30

the perfect internship over the summer and they're not

1:23:32

i'm pre enrolled in the perfect grad programs

1:23:35

and they don't have their arm you know their

1:23:37

their job a lie know i know

1:23:39

it's hard to make a living out there you know it's hard to have

1:23:41

a career make a living is much worse than in

1:23:43

the eighties and nineties when we were you

1:23:45

know getting or education's nonetheless

1:23:48

, you view the twenties is a workshop

1:23:50

stage and it gives you some

1:23:53

six and relax a little bit so anyway

1:23:56

that video has that video

1:23:58

the moment of this for

1:23:59

learning accumulated twenty point

1:24:02

seven million views and spend

1:24:04

viewed more , any other

1:24:06

piece of content i've ever shared on the

1:24:08

internet and and the reason

1:24:11

that i'm bringing it up isn't just because

1:24:13

it was viral it's because the

1:24:15

comments section here was so

1:24:18

the evenly split on the one hand you had

1:24:20

people saying ,

1:24:23

absolutely i agree this

1:24:25

is what i did during my twenties and i had such

1:24:27

enriching experience and it informed

1:24:29

everything that i do today and i wouldn't

1:24:31

trade it for anything matched

1:24:33

by the equally loud

1:24:36

number of people saying this is the worst

1:24:38

advice ever write like what a privilege

1:24:40

see no way old man in

1:24:42

a and i i i just you know this

1:24:44

is this is like if you don't understand

1:24:47

my lot live feed you you

1:24:49

have no idea how hard it is right now

1:24:51

etc i just started that was super

1:24:53

interesting to see that divide

1:24:56

and divide don't have the demographics on the divider

1:24:58

i would suspect that the people who

1:25:00

are disputing this disputing either

1:25:03

young people who are having really hard time

1:25:05

right now or are people

1:25:07

who have just you know struggled

1:25:09

in the answer dire

1:25:13

circumstances to like make their way in the

1:25:15

world yeah

1:25:16

and what's your take on it while

1:25:18

you sign on has an array in order

1:25:20

to i know privileged white male i

1:25:23

i mean i share rains perspective yeah

1:25:25

i did not

1:25:27

take that advice as a young person i was

1:25:29

one of those people who was very stressed out and

1:25:31

career oriented and now looking

1:25:33

back i wish that i had spent my time

1:25:36

in my twenties to really figure out

1:25:38

who i wanted to be in the only way that you can do

1:25:40

that is by trying lots of things

1:25:42

and failing at them and having many

1:25:44

many many experiences and not worrying so

1:25:46

much about the ladder of

1:25:48

your career trajectory and this is

1:25:50

something that's been echoed by

1:25:53

lots of wise people that i've had on the podcast

1:25:55

perhaps most notably by like stephen press

1:25:58

field who had who had jobs like was

1:25:59

the military and mop floors

1:26:02

and or even know you know like i just a whole bunch

1:26:04

of jobs that put him you

1:26:06

know in

1:26:07

communities of people that he wouldn't have otherwise

1:26:10

matt put him in circumstances and

1:26:12

environments that were very different from

1:26:14

what he was used to and i think

1:26:16

when you do that you become a more

1:26:19

enough kind of robust individual

1:26:21

you understand different walks of

1:26:23

life different perspectives

1:26:26

on you start to figure out what you

1:26:28

enjoy doing and what you don't enjoy doing

1:26:30

it's hard to intellectual lies that like have to

1:26:32

go into the world and do things to

1:26:35

, out like oh that that's not what i thought it

1:26:37

was is now for me or wildest thing i never

1:26:39

thought of before like has led me into this other

1:26:41

direction which is fantastic

1:26:44

and i think to put

1:26:46

a button put a thought

1:26:48

you know the person who comes to mind is david

1:26:50

epstein who wrote this , book

1:26:53

range or talk about constantly on

1:26:55

the podcast and his or thesis

1:26:57

is that when you canvas

1:26:59

exceptional performers across

1:27:02

all facets of expertise from

1:27:04

science star arts and

1:27:06

sports and business etc

1:27:09

the people who are truly

1:27:11

exceptional are generally

1:27:14

people who have done the

1:27:16

very thing that rain is talking about

1:27:18

done many many many things over the course

1:27:20

of their careers that end

1:27:22

up creating this very unique

1:27:25

set of skills that

1:27:27

the nose to them makes them perfectly

1:27:29

suited to be doing the saying that

1:27:31

they excel out later in life and

1:27:34

, think there's something really cool about that

1:27:36

an interesting now when you're twenty years

1:27:38

old and you're going out

1:27:40

into the world and you're trying to make

1:27:42

trying to and stand on your own to seats

1:27:45

it's hard to hear that right cause it is

1:27:47

harder now than it used to be and it's

1:27:49

not nineteen eighty the

1:27:51

when i got out of college nineteen eighty nine

1:27:53

it's a very different world is much more

1:27:56

competitive and there is

1:27:58

this increase in wealth quality

1:28:01

this is you know exacerbating

1:28:03

gap between the haves and have nots and

1:28:06

there's a lot more have nots than

1:28:08

there are housed in the house are getting fewer

1:28:10

and fewer in the middle class is completely

1:28:12

disappeared so it does

1:28:14

i do understand why with land

1:28:16

as quite indulgent to say go fuck

1:28:18

off for ten years and travel

1:28:21

the world that i do think if

1:28:23

you can find a way to do that and

1:28:25

not worry like linux

1:28:27

weenie as possible like don't like

1:28:30

the or don't pay rent somewhere like try to

1:28:32

find a way to make ends

1:28:34

meet and you know live a bit of a poppers

1:28:37

lifestyle so that you can have experiences

1:28:39

that is a gambit that i support

1:28:42

yeah me i used to know people miss my your life

1:28:44

to but will like we're older white guys so

1:28:46

well into understand i think maybe been

1:28:48

hard on global is now i think part of the blowback

1:28:51

is he's like three your twenties or were shot

1:28:53

stage he meant it but you know

1:28:55

that shows the perspective of looking back

1:28:58

when you're in your twenties the pressures you're so

1:29:00

real that is you can it's hard

1:29:03

to look at your life as a were shown stage

1:29:05

no one really looks at their life that way

1:29:07

like sit and watch ticking i'm guessing that's in retrospect

1:29:10

by he's not wrong i agree with what he

1:29:12

sang but in in a way

1:29:15

our life is workshop stage you

1:29:18

know like the way i look at it in

1:29:20

our life is a workshop stage it's about

1:29:22

getting to know yourself and be yours

1:29:25

yourself and be your best self

1:29:27

mean to me that's what it's about

1:29:29

right as it is the sorry to stay on

1:29:31

your words but when he said your twenties

1:29:34

or a waste of time that's like the first

1:29:36

thing he says in the club and i think has been misconstrued

1:29:39

like he's not really saying they're a waste

1:29:41

of time he says saying don't sweat

1:29:43

it like don't worry about it as like what what

1:29:45

you do now isn't missing critical

1:29:47

to what you're going to be doing in your thirties and so the only

1:29:50

thing i pushed back on is it is by

1:29:52

it's not but it's he didn't operate in a way and nine

1:29:54

way as you say it's nonlinear not in

1:29:56

a way that yeah it's not even harder to quantify

1:29:58

and you do have to be there's

1:30:01

control issues that come into right to like

1:30:03

you kind of have to be a little faith based like

1:30:06

i know i'm like mopping the floor you know

1:30:08

in some in a diner

1:30:10

in ecuador right now

1:30:13

spits it out this will actually

1:30:15

be informative later in life in a way

1:30:17

that i don't know or just it's

1:30:19

a fucking crazy experience right

1:30:21

by how am i this guy some

1:30:23

system i guess mop and a for neck or

1:30:26

this is like and while by what is going on

1:30:28

right now it's almost like that

1:30:30

we talk about woken as what about a weakness

1:30:33

like what about being awake to the experiences

1:30:35

you're having and not necessarily

1:30:37

looking at them as this something

1:30:39

that's going to accumulate and then benefit

1:30:41

me as if that's what we're always looking

1:30:43

for wow is this going to benefit me

1:30:46

what if it's benefiting u in just the experience

1:30:48

of it now that's not to say there isn't there are

1:30:50

dark experiences that can help you

1:30:53

but are not that fun to celebrate while their app

1:30:55

innings there are and will you know

1:30:57

i've had my share and there's a lot

1:30:59

more than i have an ad by

1:31:01

i do think that decides he would he sang is

1:31:03

correct that's what he's saying is there

1:31:05

is no says that he says swayze or way to time

1:31:07

a winning i think what he's hinting at his

1:31:10

there's no such thing as wasted time so

1:31:12

if you go out and have a good time and experiment

1:31:15

and do things you didn't think you would get into

1:31:17

or they don't necessarily add up in a

1:31:19

linear away to

1:31:21

your benefit later when it all starts

1:31:23

to crystalline the so i agree with him

1:31:25

i think the semantics is where people guys

1:31:28

got mess and in terms of like the

1:31:31

wealth inequality a how that plays into it i find

1:31:33

that really interesting as we were talking about this

1:31:35

and just we kind of came

1:31:37

in a in a loop back to an article i

1:31:39

share with you on defector which

1:31:41

defector is the place that a lot of

1:31:43

people from deadspin migrated

1:31:46

to i have never been to

1:31:48

the defector website before website believe

1:31:51

for a major a and like and like all these

1:31:53

and these writers after deadspin went

1:31:55

down in the wake of the whole gawker saying right

1:31:58

they created their own im

1:32:00

reporter owned saying called the defector

1:32:03

kelsey mckinney one of the sounders cofounders

1:32:05

of a defector wrote this great piece the

1:32:08

money is on is it in all the wrong places

1:32:11

and it's about wealth inequality but

1:32:13

through the lens of sydney sweeney

1:32:15

the actors from euphoria and white

1:32:17

lotus ah her career

1:32:19

basically she's using her career as this lens

1:32:22

events explore wealth inequality

1:32:24

on and it's about sydney's interview i

1:32:26

think it was in friday or how reporter i forgot

1:32:29

where do you a vanity fair for the of

1:32:31

get vanity fair look at it was about

1:32:33

see i'm kind of like

1:32:36

on hollywood reporter has a ringer has any

1:32:38

it was interview any kind of compared sydney

1:32:41

to some of her peers who come from kind of

1:32:43

legacy household sydney grew up

1:32:45

on she was not wealthy from

1:32:47

spokane washington when they moved there and

1:32:49

they all lived in a motel and our way while

1:32:51

she was trying to make in hollywood and

1:32:53

she does not come from money and

1:32:55

it's about how sees use or instagram see go

1:32:57

on her instagram d c she's she's making

1:33:00

deals man she's always working

1:33:02

and part of that reason is that this era

1:33:04

of stars as not you

1:33:06

know gilded as much as this as

1:33:08

your as before them because of the way things

1:33:10

are aunts and what chelsea's getting

1:33:13

at is because of the way the money

1:33:15

has filtered up top even

1:33:17

the stars are making what they used to

1:33:19

and self that's true white what about everybody else

1:33:21

what about writers and so she goes on to talk

1:33:24

about hemingway used to make a

1:33:26

dollar a word in the thirties sometimes

1:33:28

i make less than that to their you know

1:33:30

like i'm obviously no energy equivalent

1:33:32

to twenty one dollars have a word

1:33:34

twenty one dollars is a rice i

1:33:36

think i've nail but he makes that nobody makes as she

1:33:38

thinks she never known anyone make more than three

1:33:40

dollars word i think she said i've

1:33:43

, i think i made three bucks a word

1:33:46

of once yeah two bucks a word was like

1:33:48

the top that always wanted to guess

1:33:50

but often now with it when all these different

1:33:53

places to sell your to sell

1:33:55

i still only go to college tried to buy some

1:33:57

always i've always gone six i like those

1:33:59

outlet but also because i'm just used

1:34:01

to going to editors i now am

1:34:04

, prices have come down by there's

1:34:06

more opportunity so lot of people now

1:34:09

it's easier in a way to get published and ever

1:34:11

was but you're getting paid a lot less you

1:34:13

know instead of a buck fifty or a box against the

1:34:15

sensor less and so she

1:34:17

talks about that and says is great line

1:34:20

the shadow of our destiny is racing

1:34:22

towards us towards promise and meritocracy

1:34:24

was meritocracy lie and we all live in and

1:34:27

where the stagnant reality of that there's

1:34:29

that dread building dread bleakness it is already casting

1:34:31

already shadow on the future maybe you feel

1:34:35

i think meritocracy was always ally but it's an

1:34:37

interesting question about like where this

1:34:39

is all leading so that so article

1:34:42

yeah i mean what's would serve interesting and compelling

1:34:44

about this is that it's

1:34:46

a diatribe on wealth inequality

1:34:49

through like the parlance

1:34:51

of the internet because it's a hot take my

1:34:54

like sweeney is somebody

1:34:56

who got piled on because

1:34:59

in this hollywood reporter p c was

1:35:01

saying like i look i'd like to have a baby

1:35:03

and i can take off from work for a while

1:35:05

she was in the three million dollar mansions out

1:35:07

she's not exactly a sympathetic now

1:35:10

candidate for a discussion around

1:35:12

wealth inequality and curiously

1:35:14

mckinney takes this perspective

1:35:16

that like her point is valid

1:35:18

which is that the artists

1:35:21

are not being adequately compensated

1:35:23

for the art and it's not that art

1:35:26

isn't making as much

1:35:28

money as it always had if

1:35:30

anything it's generating more

1:35:32

wealth but that wealth is being

1:35:34

increasingly more and more

1:35:37

accumulated by the people

1:35:39

who sit behind large desks and

1:35:41

has no connection to

1:35:43

the actual creation of the art

1:35:45

is the executives right and it used to be

1:35:48

it's always been that way right that's used

1:35:50

to be and they use the example jennifer anniston

1:35:52

like you're on a hit show and it's syndicated and

1:35:54

then you have passive income for life and you create

1:35:57

generational wealth and now in the streaming

1:35:59

era it doesn't work that way anymore

1:36:01

and although sweeney who's one of the

1:36:03

top performers in

1:36:06

her age bracket and certainly and star

1:36:08

on the rise works all the time

1:36:10

and is being well compensated for that feels

1:36:13

like she has to be on or hustle game all the

1:36:15

time and has some leverage her instagram

1:36:18

for ads in a way that these other people

1:36:20

don't and is criticized for that but

1:36:23

she comes from humble beginnings and

1:36:25

sort of feels like this is what i have to do

1:36:28

and or to you know be

1:36:30

who i want to be in the world right and the point

1:36:32

being made by mckinney is regardless of if

1:36:35

you're wealthy or not or whatever your lifestyle is

1:36:37

like everybody deserves to be able to take time

1:36:39

off to have a baby and in this

1:36:41

modern age of

1:36:43

the increased well

1:36:44

disparity when the ceos

1:36:47

in the top brass are just making outlandish

1:36:49

amounts of money and the people who are actually generating

1:36:52

the actual things that are creating that wealth

1:36:55

or being less and less

1:36:57

respected for that like that's problematic

1:37:00

in terms of our society can

1:37:02

cohere long term and you know it's

1:37:04

like another example would be like looking at le bron

1:37:06

like he makes an unbelievable amount of money but

1:37:08

when you look at how much money the and be a generates

1:37:10

like there's certainly certainly good

1:37:12

argument that you could make the he should be paying ten

1:37:15

times what he's getting paid thrive and

1:37:17

when those guys take commercial deals no

1:37:19

one really criticizing it and you know when you

1:37:21

hear george clooney or matt damon

1:37:23

honor ad no

1:37:25

and criticizing them right like wintertime

1:37:28

just become every hour every hour for crypto

1:37:30

dazzling did get sick i designed a little bit

1:37:32

as most likely different didn't have that he

1:37:34

does he did i like yes you see a

1:37:36

basketball player doing a mountain dew out or sprite

1:37:39

hours like yeah that's what you do rise

1:37:41

part of the business somehow that