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were Friday w password was go at

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for this weekend. Good time for nice

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relax and overload trial. You know a

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our as you a question. That.

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Our. Star by Say it it know show.

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Her how truly as requested a try to

1:14

keep up with the times. So like is

1:16

we do a little bit ha is now.

1:19

Ah, Obrador. Mobility

1:21

chains for a bar or they

1:23

don't. A pandemic. I

1:25

got border my hair out. As.

1:27

Far from was a little bit it saves

1:29

on our viola good of i got me

1:31

or a little bit insane and. I

1:34

feel. I guess. Spicy. In the

1:36

summertime. Hop. In a poll

1:38

get out the poor girl from Cuts

1:41

Low buried say about me feel a

1:43

sexy well I'm dawn that the i

1:45

do feel like like were moving to

1:47

a lil che arrow which is a

1:49

big change from my late teens early

1:51

twenties were Ballard say what do a

1:54

double bogey you laughed out laughed off

1:56

the black like the beta habit of

1:58

the died. These that know. toss

2:00

it up about is like, wow, what a horrible

2:02

break is what these rappers

2:04

started talking about platinum. When did gold

2:06

stop being good enough? But

2:09

what platinum did truly was not ushered

2:11

in the platinum era. What it really

2:13

ushered in was the silver era.

2:15

The silver renaissance. Wasn't

2:19

nobody buying no damn platinum. But yeah, I

2:21

mean, it was the big clothes. It was

2:23

all, everything was too much.

2:25

The chains were ridiculous. Like the

2:28

clothes, if you see pictures of the chains, I didn't have

2:30

one of these chains because I refused to wear a fake

2:32

one. And I couldn't afford to buy a

2:34

real one. So my, all my

2:36

homeboys had the big one where it's like

2:38

Jesus's face. Like all the

2:40

detailed Jesus face with fake diamonds and

2:43

silver. They was pretending to be platinum, but

2:45

they were so big. It

2:47

was like cartoonish like our clothes. Yes,

2:50

yes, it was. But like I got pictures

2:52

of me wearing it. I got some big

2:55

silver chains, boy. I got a big old

2:57

silver chain picture. I can somebody ask somebody

2:59

to go to Mexico, bring me back. I

3:01

got the from, from, from, from, from the

3:04

land to silver. You know what I'm saying?

3:06

That's what they do. I brought that back.

3:08

We was doing that and gold, gold just

3:11

went completely away. That's how powerful rap was.

3:13

Rap the only thing that ever shut gold

3:15

down. It did that to

3:17

a lot of things. I know people was mad at Cardi

3:20

B recently because she was mocking Coach bags

3:22

and just like, it's a real thing where

3:24

all of us had that moment. I don't

3:27

know what song it was for you where

3:29

you was doing something. I know

3:31

people complain about Drake doing it all

3:33

the time where it's like, you can't

3:35

just be shitting on Cheesecake Factory. Some

3:37

of us still go to Cheesecake Factory.

3:39

Like rap music, one song, one line

3:41

will destroy an entire company because it's

3:43

embarrassing then to have a lyric associated

3:45

with, with the place that you are,

3:47

the place you're eating or the clothes

3:49

that you're wearing. I know that's

3:52

true about a bunch of clothes that I

3:54

thought was fly. Don't stay at the instant.

3:56

Consonantals. Drake did that. Drake

3:58

did that to intercontinental. So funny

4:00

is I'm like man, you motherfuckers better be

4:02

happy with the intercontinental Like like by the

4:04

time Drake said he wasn't going to the

4:06

intercontinental. I would be honest I was feeling

4:09

pretty good about the intercontinental now I want

4:11

to be clear about something else drink ain't

4:13

regulating the goddamn thing in this house Just

4:15

so you know like when Drake says you

4:17

don't go to the intercontinental that makes the

4:19

intercontinental a much more attractive location For

4:21

me to show up but for the rest of y'all

4:23

I'm like yo Drake Drake Drake

4:25

setting y'all down the wrong path.

4:27

Uh The

4:30

thing about There

4:32

was one of those you was just talking about it

4:34

and I was trying to remember Cardi B coach way

4:36

it would No, it was

4:38

something like in line with the uh With

4:42

the silver and the platinum and all of that but

4:44

yeah, no man cats decide that we not doing something

4:46

no more We ain't got you if you ain't got

4:48

Drake money, it's no shame We know you don't got

4:50

Drake money So like where he stay is not where

4:53

you supposed to be saying stand But the thing is

4:55

I'm thinking back of my homeboys I just reconnected with

4:57

one of my boys and talk to him forever and

4:59

he keeps coming to mind because We

5:01

was in high school. None of us had money

5:04

like that. So why are you trying to put

5:06

on this big? Mobb deep

5:08

ass chain like it we all like fell into

5:10

it. I'm not just judging him where I was

5:12

buying clothes Uh that

5:14

was more expensive than I I really

5:17

could support regularly But we was

5:19

all out here for ain't nothing wrong with the

5:21

intercontinental go to cheesecake If you want get you

5:23

a little chain get your big chain You brought

5:25

it was it was cheesecake factory. Oh, yeah, the

5:28

game changed up so fast in 10 years where

5:30

big boy explained to us That we

5:32

was simping and we was taking them

5:34

to the cheesecake factory and letting them

5:37

order strawberry lemonade popcorn

5:39

shrimp Because you because because you

5:41

know if you know, you know the thing

5:44

about strawberry lemonade was what no

5:46

free refills on the

5:48

strawberry lemonade I dated

5:50

a girl in college and when I say

5:52

I love that woman I love that woman

5:54

to death. But before I got to the

5:57

point of loving her she was just a

5:59

little too prescient about somebody taking us

6:01

to the goddamn Cheesecake Factory. And I

6:03

was just like, I ain't never taking

6:05

you to the Cheesecake Factory. And then

6:07

not long after that, Big Boy drove

6:09

it home. We ain't taking them to

6:11

the Cheesecake Factory, so we wasn't taking

6:13

them to the Cheesecake Factory, but the

6:15

Cheesecake Factory was that lick at that

6:17

time. Fast forward, now we got too

6:20

much money to be going to the

6:22

Cheesecake Factory. They don't care how good

6:24

that bread is. I feel like we

6:26

touched on this a number of different

6:28

times and how music was really great

6:30

in some ways and how music really changed

6:32

things. But you're just talking about simping. And

6:34

I guess it's a different culture now, which

6:37

is probably a little healthier. But I

6:39

was proud of

6:42

not spending any money. And

6:45

I was embarrassed, which is kind of

6:47

a despicable way to go about life

6:49

where I was kind of embarrassed if

6:51

I took somebody somewhere or spent some

6:54

money on somebody. And it was kind

6:56

of a shitty way to be, unless

6:58

they earned whatever credit, there

7:01

was your main something, you was really stupid.

7:03

Everybody was like, nah, I can't spend a

7:05

dime on them. It's just really messed up.

7:09

I had to take some steps, man. I

7:11

had to learn some things about that. I

7:13

also, I

7:15

mean, the Joneses are not really

7:17

like, we're not gift

7:20

givers. That's just not

7:22

the way that we really express love in the family.

7:24

It's just not what it is, right? Yeah, y'all love

7:26

Christmas. Yeah, we

7:28

do, but my dad talks about Christmas.

7:30

My dad really looks back

7:32

very fondly on Christmas and they was poor.

7:34

Forget about this broke, right? They were poor

7:37

and how they would get fruit and nuts

7:39

for Christmas. And that would be the thing

7:41

that they look forward to is that that's

7:44

what they would get. But that's just not how

7:46

we get down. And on top of that, early

7:49

on, my daddy told my momma that

7:51

Valentine's Day was a white folks holiday

7:54

and opted out. Strong

7:57

move. A

8:00

devout that out like a job

8:03

as rebuttal com bubble valid as

8:05

daddy to do better about they

8:07

deserve it, heats up out to

8:09

a whole idea of a pointer

8:12

or the revolution is our the

8:14

why both holiday or down there.

8:16

There was no more valid sad

8:18

day for about bulbous grew up

8:21

with a gregarious like warm father.

8:23

It was just. Her and

8:25

her sister right? So he's you know

8:28

he's doing Valentine's day. he's cupboard though.

8:30

he leaves by but daddy always this

8:32

of the part about that they didn't

8:35

make a bid years that I know

8:37

why made. Graduate

8:39

for Valentine's Day. I say all

8:41

that this day I had to

8:43

learn that lie. With. These

8:45

cats to talk about all these records say

8:48

probably would move modo. I don't think Snoop

8:50

really was like seven up people that never

8:52

have double we'll like at all adults adults

8:54

aged as as as those stupid like if

8:57

stop this year it was his second of

8:59

the didn't. Sell. This

9:01

even when I when I do

9:03

it maybe a bit right now.

9:06

I. Learned to step on low more as I had

9:08

woman who's been more giving herself and also I don't

9:10

know people did this right like I just didn't. And.

9:13

On top of it we were to people we

9:15

were risk boots relative to my peers we would

9:17

people were buddies are so did not to say

9:19

and by how ya you've got money to be

9:21

go around stuff but anyway. I

9:23

readily acknowledge. My. Generosity

9:26

and those way so we say definitely increase

9:28

as I got somebody right by of our

9:30

I big out but Bobby of juvenile program

9:32

out big pay is good He said he

9:34

was he a he was do and I

9:36

would do this. He had six of the

9:38

house up ahead of the the swale yet

9:40

and still a player like him with either

9:42

taco bill that was not good Bbq but

9:44

our did that so hopefully I would have

9:46

to go through that right? but none that

9:48

I'll have to worry about that. Yep a

9:50

lot nicer than average I think. It

9:54

was like. I may have like

9:56

everything else for med time and I guess maybe

9:58

we did. Foreign a business understand woman? Dragon parts

10:00

of this that was ridiculous may we can

10:02

pick those are now by everything else was

10:04

like over dying my oversize. it saves us

10:07

to big the jury with to be we

10:09

all have a now all of us but

10:11

I have some faith diamond earrings our would

10:13

look like they was like two carats a

10:15

piece everyday the closest to big we did

10:17

everything at an extreme and like the idea

10:20

of spending any money wasn't about would you

10:22

hadn't and I leave for me and my

10:24

friends that we were young and dumb you

10:26

a deal I wrote the allows us to

10:28

take her to add this. To get back

10:31

all you weird I know game those

10:33

like. It was almost embarrassing that you

10:35

had to do something like that which

10:37

was really gross. the who? the really

10:39

flooded growth. but yes I will. I'll

10:41

have some story that comeback Really proud

10:43

of it. Be proud of her life.

10:45

Two hours metal Two hours. That was

10:48

it. But.

10:50

We was also broke. Yeah, Well.

10:54

We. Can't ignore that part. Will also broke

10:56

plywood you would? You ain't got nobody that

10:59

this is a a the right to recognize

11:01

it as like know I to as he

11:03

can afford it but I must say is

11:05

because I know Samp. He

11:07

and final say is it I target as you

11:09

got is. Somewhat.

11:12

True, not entirely. right?

11:15

right? We would say that but I

11:17

will say tricking if you don't have

11:19

it. I. Judge.

11:23

Judge really, really

11:25

hard. To

11:28

get used to the point where you can eat. As

11:32

Mcaleer light as the that's a that's

11:34

the question that you get to in

11:36

this case is like a dog by

11:38

because they can use the legacy just

11:40

sell your spirit or is a to

11:42

peddle up easier to have it here

11:44

begging to happen with you. He daughter

11:46

says as best the difference men as

11:48

I think that we saw it as

11:50

me my friends by bad if you

11:52

are given something. To somebody as he

11:55

was a light. You are

11:57

in love with I did he was doing for it

11:59

is good use. Because all the rappers

12:01

told us you ain't had to do that.

12:03

They told us that's not what Real Jeeves was

12:05

doing. You just had to have some games. You

12:07

spit some game and that's all you needed to

12:09

do. And they was like,

12:12

thought about the cars. Like the whole

12:14

Dr. J suite, the whole Dr. Dre

12:16

suite of videos, thought about the cars,

12:19

hitting them with the second up photos

12:21

in front of everybody. Ain't no fun.

12:23

I mean, it's a damn bop. And

12:25

everyone's thinking, long time ain't no fun.

12:29

Dude, they're all bops. Like that's

12:31

the... It's despicable. Like think about

12:33

actually saying that. Like,

12:36

oh, you came over for me? Well, you know

12:38

what? It ain't no fun. Oh,

12:41

for real? Oh, you're not down? Scram.

12:43

What? I mean like, what? We

12:46

danced to it. Dominique, they

12:49

got a song called Bitches

12:51

Ain't Shit, Fatos, and

12:55

Shrips. And guess what?

12:58

Guess what? Guess what? Bop.

13:01

Bop. It jams. It

13:04

jams really hard. I'm not saying it's

13:07

appropriate. I'm not saying it's correct. I'm

13:09

not saying any of these things right.

13:12

I'm also not lying. I

13:14

feel like it's... The power of music

13:17

is something else. It never quite hit me, but

13:19

you could get people to do anything if

13:21

you put the right people behind it. You

13:24

get a nice make-up. He ain't talking about me. Let's

13:27

laugh at Chris Rock. Yeah. Hey

13:31

man, and forget Chris Rock. I've heard that in

13:33

real life so many times. Don't nobody want to

13:35

have to tear it down to bop. Look man,

13:38

when ain't no fuzz, the homies can't have nugs

13:40

comes on. The dance floor fills up. And I'm

13:42

just telling you, right? I'm

13:44

not saying there ain't no women who don't

13:46

approve of that approach. I'm just

13:48

saying I would be reluctant to

13:51

advertise at the party that that

13:53

one is my jam. Yeah. And

13:55

the songs make it clear. And

13:58

so like, yeah, before we get off into a whole nother

14:00

part, ridiculous tangent. Maybe some people enjoy

14:02

being treated in certain ways that

14:04

ain't up to me, whatever, knock

14:06

yourself out. But that

14:09

is never expressed the song. It also feels

14:11

kind of like the point is

14:13

that they don't and you can make

14:15

them anyway, because you got so much

14:17

power. Like that is the undercurrent of

14:19

the song that they are property. It

14:21

is. Yeah. Yeah, like

14:24

ain't no ain't no things that make ain't no fun.

14:26

So I guess we'll talk about this a little later.

14:28

I'll tell you guys about this in a while. But

14:30

like, the way ain't no fun. So why

14:32

does ain't no fun in such a jail that it

14:34

don't really say nothing. If somebody comes out there, right?

14:36

It's not quite the same as when that I can

14:39

nearly come on and you like oh, okay,

14:42

that's you. Oh, that's what's

14:44

up, right? That's like, like, that's the I

14:46

can only come on. That's like y'all was

14:48

listening to Lil Kim hardcore on the way

14:50

to the club. What? That's what's up.

14:52

Y'all trying to go to Waffle House? I

14:55

mean, I guess that's slightly Yeah, the

14:57

Akanele is different. But you said little Kim and

15:00

then it started making me think of like contemporary

15:03

women rappers and like,

15:05

it's something different about you saying

15:07

this what you could do. Or you said you

15:09

have something that is so powerful. Or you said

15:11

that you enjoy multiple partners

15:13

like going by that I think that's what's missing

15:16

from the other song they needed a I guess

15:18

Akanele did have a woman's verse but they need a woman's

15:20

verse. And ain't no fun or it's like,

15:23

I there is lots of fun and doing the things

15:25

that I would like to do because I've chosen to

15:28

do this. Yeah, yeah, let

15:30

me tell you this. I

15:32

can't imagine the worst idea in this world. It's

15:35

showing up with a rule full of them dudes to

15:37

perform that song you better not come

15:39

by yourself. Like let me tell you

15:41

Nate dog rest in peace. The

15:43

level of Nate dog nostalgia Nate dog got

15:45

a song where he say the whole reason

15:47

that he carry a gun is because he

15:49

got so many women on his jock and

15:52

I'm just trying to figure out why that

15:54

mean he got to shoot him. What are you

15:56

talking about? Don't

16:01

listen. I think the second verse of ain't

16:03

no love and it's like Bruh,

16:06

why do you what what I don't understand why

16:08

this necessitates a firearm? I

16:11

mean, maybe it's a euphemism. I don't

16:13

know I Don't

16:16

think you ever had you to and I've seen Nate

16:18

dog again rest in peace We're

16:20

gonna make a hard turn here. Ladies and gentlemen, just

16:23

so you know I don't know how we wound up

16:25

in here for 15 minutes, but it happens. But uh

16:28

Shohei Ohtani and his gamblest situation has been

16:30

reported by ESPN I let you guys know

16:33

we recording this on Thursday you getting this

16:35

on Friday So something may have happened on

16:37

the in-between and I am hoping Dominique in

16:40

the in between Something happens that explains something

16:42

to me because I want to let the

16:44

people know something and then I might have

16:46

to do something right Quick. Okay, the report

16:49

we got is that the doll the dolphins

16:51

the Dodgers fired Shohei Ohtani's Interpreter

16:54

because there was some issues with four

16:56

and a half million dollars of wire

16:58

transfers from Ohtani's bank account To a

17:00

bookmaking operation. All right, and so there's

17:02

this other investigation that's been going on

17:04

and this got caught up in this

17:07

So as this has happened Ohtani's

17:10

people get this interpreter

17:12

to sit down with the reporter

17:15

named Tisha Thompson from ESPN And

17:17

he lays out in what is

17:19

described here in great detail That

17:23

Ohtani had given the interpreter the

17:25

money so that the interpreter could

17:27

cover the gambling debt Then

17:30

when they getting ready to publish the story

17:34

Ohtani's people said no none of that

17:36

is true and that Ohtani will put

17:38

out a statement And then Ohtani puts

17:40

out a statement or as people put

17:42

out a statement that says that they

17:44

found out that actually Ohtani had been

17:46

the victim of theft to the tune

17:49

of four and a half million

17:51

dollars Okay. So what

17:53

they are saying is at first

17:56

they were saying Ohtani gave buddy

17:58

the money to pay off his debts

18:00

four and a half million dollars and then

18:02

they said no that

18:05

actually what had happened was Otani

18:07

had been stolen from okay

18:10

now I'm gonna need to start over

18:12

the show right fast because I like if

18:14

if if I'm gonna believe this I

18:17

need to change something up with the way I start the

18:19

show I start the show the same way every time but

18:21

I'm gonna just act like I believe this so I'm gonna

18:23

have to start over okay. Ladies

18:25

and gentlemen welcome to the right time my

18:28

name is Boo Boo the fool thanks for

18:30

watching on YouTube thanks for listening on your

18:32

podcast because these motherfucker must think I'm Boo

18:34

Boo the fool. Dominque

18:37

who worked for you that who worked for you

18:39

that got access to steal your

18:41

interpreter like I know I ain't

18:43

got one of those but I'm just saying who

18:47

else can I get an application to work for

18:49

him because apparently you got access to four and

18:51

a half million dollars. So moving

18:54

that amount of money and

18:56

I've heard people say like Shohei made so

18:58

much money so that ain't nothing to him maybe

19:01

it's not however you know who

19:03

it's a lot to the bank

19:06

your accountant like

19:08

anybody who is watching this money move

19:11

so that ain't your interpreter

19:13

like maybe you could get your

19:16

aid you give your agent power of attorney

19:18

or your accountant power of attorney or somebody

19:20

like that like I've seen broke I see

19:22

how it can happen yeah it's reasonable somebody

19:25

could get scammed out of money especially when

19:27

they are in a country they're they are

19:29

not like proficient in the language

19:32

like I get how that could happen if

19:34

it's your accountant they could

19:37

steal from you I have a hard time

19:39

why your interpreter even knows where

19:41

you bank at I mean I

19:43

guess maybe he came with you to talk to the teller that one

19:45

time I don't know like

19:47

that to me seems like a stretch and I'm

19:49

assuming that it's

19:52

because if they don't they

19:54

don't want him tied to this illegal activity in

19:56

any way and if you're willing to cover somebody's

19:58

debt and that's a whole nother thing. the leap

20:00

that I believe that they must believe we

20:02

are boo boo to fool to accept that

20:04

leap also. But let's accept that it's the

20:06

interpreter's debt. Then

20:09

are they saying that Otani by paying it

20:11

off is somehow connected in some way? Because

20:13

I don't understand the reason for this particular

20:15

lie. Like I get the reason for saying

20:17

that it's not Otani's gambling debts in the

20:20

first place, which who knows. But

20:22

I don't get the reason for this lie. Like

20:24

I gave I gave my dog a gift. My

20:26

dog called me and he ain't telling me why

20:28

he was in trouble. My dog been looking at

20:30

me for a while. He said, I'm in

20:33

some hard times and that

20:35

that's what he messed up. Oh, he said

20:37

he was in some hard times and he said, why

20:39

this money here? And I said, I got you dog.

20:42

That's all I did. They

20:44

didn't ask no question. That would have been, I think that's the way

20:46

to go about it. When my

20:48

friends say they need help, I help.

20:50

Right? Because I mean, look, as they

20:52

say it presently, his argument is

20:54

in fact, I'm Shohei

20:57

Hotani, first ballot homeboy Hall of

20:59

Famer. Right? Like that's, that is

21:01

what he is saying. He

21:04

is a charter member of the homeboy.

21:06

He right there next to what was

21:08

my man's name, Greg Anderson. You remember

21:10

him? Barry Bonds, homeboy and I did

21:12

time for him. Yeah. Time. I

21:15

was thinking about AC. Oh, I mean,

21:18

AC, AC is in fact,

21:20

it is the Al Cowling's homeboy

21:23

Hall of Fame. Like now that

21:25

you bring that up with the

21:27

funniest line of all lies in

21:29

the whole OJ Simpson situation. This

21:31

AC, you know who I am.

21:34

God damn it. No, actually, actually.

21:37

No idea. No idea. Never

21:40

heard of you before today. See,

21:42

you remember that part in the, in the, in

21:44

the 30 for 30 where they

21:46

said that they had this starters pistol in

21:48

high school, the dude that had the voice

21:51

like this and he said he

21:53

had the starters pistol and they would just be

21:55

playing around, clicking that starters pistol at people. And

21:57

they went to put it at OJ and the

21:59

AC. stepped in front and said, you're going to have

22:01

to kill me before you shoot OJ. Hall

22:04

of Fists named after him. They're

22:06

going to give the award at the end

22:08

of the ceremony. It's called the AC. Who

22:10

is going to get the AC this year

22:13

is Shohei Otani. Hahaha.

22:15

Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha.

22:18

Hahaha. We need to start getting,

22:20

you know what? That's what we need to

22:22

do. We need to give out the AC

22:24

every year. We need to get, Sean, get

22:26

on it. Every year, put together your compilation.

22:28

And then at the end of the year, me

22:30

and Domenico get in some seatos and we go,

22:33

we go hand out the AC. And

22:35

you know what? It may be anti-climactic right

22:37

now because it might be going to Shohei

22:40

Otani. But the reality is the only reason

22:42

we're willing to entertain this at all, at

22:44

all, it's

22:46

about the way that we think

22:48

about Japanese people. Right? And

22:52

what I mean by that is we

22:54

act like Asians generally, like

22:56

in our largely xenophobic society, right?

22:59

Our Asian brothers in so many

23:01

ways, brothers and sisters are so

23:03

different, right? Like religiously, completely different,

23:05

right? Phenotypically, like just the look,

23:07

right? Yeah. For like eyes.

23:10

Okay. You know what I mean though,

23:12

right? Like they, they feel more like outsiders to people

23:14

than I think. Like even like black people who come

23:16

from the Caribbean or from Africa or

23:19

whatever, they're by and large coming in a

23:21

Judeo-Christian, you know, come from that.

23:24

Like accustomed to Western influences and they

23:26

don't have it. Yes. Like

23:28

cultural and intellectual and spiritual, all of the

23:30

influence we're accustomed to are Western and that's

23:33

good for Africa. That's good for Europe. That's

23:35

good for you, America. But Asians

23:37

different. Yeah, it's different, right? And

23:39

so we tend to like mythologize them

23:41

in some interesting ways. I think in

23:43

large part, because we've watched all them

23:45

kofu movies, right? Like we have a

23:47

tendency to think of Asians as

23:49

being very solemn and very noble,

23:51

right? With a different strain of

23:53

morality, right? Because we've been,

23:55

we've been watching all that karate, man. Everything

23:57

got a moral tool with a lesson, right?

24:00

know, dudes be talking slow and all mystical

24:02

and shit. Like, I think that's the way

24:04

that people view a lot of people rather

24:06

view Asians in this society. What I'm saying

24:08

says nothing about what Asians actually are, as

24:10

far as I can tell, they what they

24:12

call people, right? And people mess

24:14

up and do stuff like get caught

24:16

up in gambling, or whatever it is.

24:18

But the ignorance that they are trying

24:21

to play out right now, you

24:23

can only think that works. If

24:25

you think these silly Americans are going to believe

24:28

that is the only way like you got to

24:30

be out here like he'll really be speaking no

24:32

English we don't know like you know, like, I hear

24:35

people you'll hear people when they talk about like

24:37

Japanese folks, they'll talk about like the significance of

24:39

honor in their society and everything else. Our society

24:41

at least on paper care a lot about honor

24:43

too. Like these are not things that I think

24:45

are different than the rest of the world. But

24:48

we if we get guys especially if he doesn't

24:50

ever talk, we think about him

24:52

in those terms, right? Like, if

24:55

that's the only way I feel like you think this

24:57

nonsense is getting past me, like maybe what they saying

24:59

is the truth, but I'm gonna need some proof. When

25:03

you said it's getting past me, it reminded me

25:05

of the thing that you bring out sometimes and

25:07

like the stereotypes around black people is how you

25:09

get away on the dance floor every now and

25:12

then where you like you walk in and they're

25:14

like, Oh, that must be the move. Really?

25:16

You're out there doing some old funky move

25:18

that ain't nobody see they don't like copy

25:20

but since you're doing it is okay because

25:23

that's how people view black

25:25

people. But the age of stereotype is

25:27

a real thing and they people just

25:30

because we only like see certain ones

25:32

when we show certain ones when we

25:34

can be convinced everyone that they are

25:37

either math geniuses

25:39

or philosophers who speak in policy

25:41

all the time that that's just

25:43

because it fits well into our

25:46

narratives. We know that if we're telling a story in

25:49

a movie, if we put a black person

25:51

in this role, you all ought to rather assume

25:53

some things that we can take out a couple

25:55

lines of dialogue the same thing for Asian. I

25:58

will say this before we go. go in to break. This

26:01

reminds me of a case with another Asian

26:04

hero, Tiger Woods. And

26:07

I remember the when

26:09

the reports first came out, right?

26:12

The Tiger Woods in the driveway, which

26:15

by the way, 15 years

26:17

ago in November. You

26:21

weren't expecting that, were you?

26:23

15 years ago in November.

26:28

Right, right. And we still

26:30

think of Tigers don't get

26:32

it back together. We

26:34

still like me and Vinnie was talking about when did

26:37

you finally give up on Mike Tyson? We never gave

26:39

up on Tiger Woods. Anyway, the

26:42

first reports were Tiger Woods was

26:44

seriously injured in a single car

26:46

accident in his driveway. And I

26:48

heard that and I was like,

26:50

don't don't don't don't don't.

26:53

More is on the way. More

26:56

is on the way. That does

26:59

not add up. Single car accident.

27:01

Serious injury. Driveway. No

27:04

sir. No sir. You ain't

27:06

say nothing about him running into the actual house.

27:08

No, sir. That is not what

27:10

happened. And that that's that's how I felt

27:12

this first run of this. And

27:14

then Tiger came out and gave

27:17

us a press conference and tried to

27:19

use all the stereotypes in his favor.

27:21

Again, that man brought out his Asian

27:23

mama and started talking about Buddhism. And

27:26

that was how he tried to to

27:29

rid himself of whatever stigma came with

27:31

it. Was like, oh no, I'm

27:34

not black Tiger. I'm a Buddhist. I don't do

27:36

things like this. I

27:40

don't do this. Actually, that is

27:42

the place he should have made coming back out.

27:44

He should have come back full Buddha. He

27:48

did. He did it. He talked about, well, I guess you really

27:51

like just fully like leaning the way

27:53

that people who get out of jail.

27:57

That's what I'm saying. That's exactly it. He needed to

27:59

be like, like with Mike got out of jail. Right.

28:02

Mike came out of jail with

28:04

a coopie. And Arthur, my

28:07

size, it came out of jail with

28:09

a coopie, a tattoo of Arthur Ash

28:11

and a tattoo of Chay Guevara. Michael's

28:14

in there reading anything they put in front of

28:16

him. Mike was reading every

28:18

book he could get a hold of.

28:21

Because that's the thing about Mike. We

28:23

treat Mike like he's not smart. Mike

28:25

seems to be very clearly bright young

28:27

man. Mike got out of jail. Mike

28:29

had just been occupied himself. Because otherwise

28:31

he would have beaten 10 people to

28:33

death if he wasn't just sitting over

28:35

there in the library reading the books,

28:37

doing push-ups, reading the garage and just

28:39

figuring whatever else he could. Who gets

28:42

Arthur Ash tattooed? That's just a... He

28:44

was like, I don't even know what inspires

28:46

you. Don't he got a mild tattoo too?

28:49

Don't he got like... He does have a...

28:51

I think he did have a mild tattoo.

28:54

I'm gonna tell you

28:57

this. I could be wrong. But

29:00

I think Mike's heart might have been broken if he

29:02

found out what Arthur Ash thought about. I told

29:08

you that John Chaney, Arthur Ash story,

29:10

right? No. I

29:13

was at an NABJ event. We gave some

29:15

award to John Chaney. John Chaney was telling

29:17

some story about talking to John Thompson about

29:20

some interaction he had with Arthur Ash. And

29:22

he referred to Arthur Ash as being, I

29:24

believe, persnutty was the way that he referred

29:26

to him, like two or three times. And

29:28

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29:31

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Man, I gotta admit we had to take

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that break just because we had stuff to

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sell. But I do think

34:17

we had other does move kind

34:19

of down playing the best player

34:21

in baseball is just staring at

34:23

a ginormous gambling scandal. Guys, this

34:25

is we go to it's

34:27

gonna be a thing guys. It's gonna be

34:30

a thing. I don't care though. Like I'm

34:32

interested in it being a thing. I'm going

34:34

to follow the story. But like gambling,

34:37

the way that we view gambling has

34:39

changed so much that like his

34:42

worst crime is being a bad

34:44

gambler. No, I think

34:46

that's incredibly short sighted. Okay, so please

34:48

I think I think these

34:51

are big deals that are significant

34:53

threats to the integrity of these

34:55

games because this is yes, the

34:58

comparison between like the rush of gambling and

35:00

the rush of cocaine use and people talk

35:02

about this and physiologically, they're very similar. Here's

35:04

the difference though. If

35:06

you owe your coke dealer

35:09

call it $10,000. That next

35:11

hit of coke does not have the chance to erase

35:13

your $10,000 debt, right?

35:15

This just becomes a cycle and it goes

35:17

and it goes. And then all of

35:19

a sudden you wind up with people who owe a lot of

35:22

money and what are they willing

35:24

to do to get that money?

35:26

Like I think that there's a public health situation that

35:28

is coming in. You're right. Four and a half million

35:30

dollars. Not really that much, but there's, you know, for

35:33

a guy like that, but there's no telling where it

35:35

goes. Like this number is probably exaggerated. But did you

35:37

see the story about a Bruno Mars? I

35:40

saw that with MGM. First of all, that's why

35:42

I got to stay off the tweet. Because again,

35:44

it makes me judge my friends and

35:46

I have a friend's pop up. So the

35:48

report is somebody put out a report that

35:50

Bruno Mars owes the MGM like $50 million

35:53

because he'd be in there playing poker and

35:55

losing money. And the first response that people,

35:57

I saw people give was, well, hold on. Does

35:59

this mean we. We might get a residency.

36:01

How you think he ran up to

36:03

$50 million debt? He'd been doing a

36:05

residency for eight years. You

36:07

don't care if he's doing a residency. Otherwise

36:09

you'd have been seeing that shit. You know

36:11

what I'm saying? Like, I was just like,

36:13

man, y'all just do it. And

36:16

to try to make yourself seem cool

36:18

by saying you like Bruno fucking Mars,

36:21

like of all the ways to try to

36:23

signal coolness is, and look, I don't dislike

36:25

Bruno Mars. But come on, man. Good job.

36:28

Come on, man. But it's easy, man. I

36:31

don't think I do not believe for a second the MGM, he

36:34

owes them that much. And the reason is, and I had to look

36:36

this up. Apparently every

36:38

chip, unlike the bank, every

36:41

chip that a casino gives out, if

36:43

they give you a $5 chip, they

36:45

got to have $5 because my thought

36:47

was that they could just like every

36:49

other financial institution, just say, Oh, here,

36:51

Bruno, here's a million dollars. Yeah. Right.

36:56

in the first place. And now you just created

36:58

a million dollars. That was my thought. But no,

37:00

apparently you got to have the money on the

37:02

front end. But all that

37:05

to say, let's say Bruno Mars, own

37:07

them, own them $7 million, which is possible.

37:10

Hey, man, Bruno Mars, going to be

37:12

playing the park for the rest of his

37:14

life under them circumstances. He's going to keep

37:16

getting in there. He's going to keep playing.

37:18

He's going to keep losing. Do you remember

37:21

when, what was the general's name? David.

37:26

The one that had to quit. Do you know why? Petraeus.

37:29

Yeah. Yes. Petraeus.

37:32

Yeah. The issue on that with cheating

37:34

on his wife is not that cheating on your wife is such

37:36

a terrible thing, but that makes you prone to compromise. And

37:39

I think that's the same thing we're talking about when

37:42

all of a sudden, now these people Oh, and remember

37:44

he was gambling with illegal people. Right. Yeah.

37:47

And so the, there's no evidence

37:50

that he's betting on baseball, right? Like I

37:52

didn't see that. I skimmed the story quickly.

37:54

Correct. But I mean, and then there's

37:56

betting on baseball and there's betting on his own games. Those

37:58

were the things that I was. looking for as I

38:00

was skimming this article before we just started the

38:03

show. I didn't see anything like that from him

38:05

or his interpreter. So

38:07

I was like, all right, well, whatever. And then you

38:10

think about the money, the size of the money, and

38:12

how much he has. I'm like, all right, we

38:15

cool. I started thinking Michael Jordan. All right, man,

38:17

you're a competitive sicko, and it's

38:19

fine. There's good that comes with that. There's bad

38:21

that comes with that. It seems like he's going

38:23

to be OK. To

38:26

get to the point where you are compromised and that,

38:29

yeah, I mean, considering a

38:31

bunch of the sports media industry now is

38:34

connected all the way up to ESPN, is

38:36

connected with gambling companies. It's an interesting conversation

38:39

when you bring up the addictive properties of

38:41

all of that. But there's a lot of

38:43

things out here that are dangerous and addictive.

38:46

And

38:50

I guess what you're saying is fair for me

38:52

to say, all right, I see that there could

38:54

be a problem. It don't feel like it's a

38:57

problem yet. And you shouldn't have to wait to

38:59

be a problem before you address it. But he

39:01

a grown ass man when I'm supposed to be

39:03

all caught up in this case for California. Like,

39:05

y'all better get him. You better get this man

39:08

who gambled 40 cents worth of his money away.

39:10

Like, I don't care. Yeah, but see, I think

39:12

I don't look at it through that lens at

39:15

all of like, oh, I hope the law gets involved. I don't

39:17

care about that part. Like that, whatever. They

39:19

go, you know, he's OK. Yeah,

39:22

yeah, he's OK. And this

39:24

as a harbinger of

39:26

things to come now right fast for everybody.

39:30

PrizePix is a daily

39:32

fantasy company, which is

39:34

not the same thing as

39:36

gambling. But I will make

39:38

this point so that everybody understands it. We

39:40

are in a trick bag because gambling is,

39:45

they're floating sports media right now.

39:47

They are floating in a lot

39:49

of ways the leagues. That

39:51

is the money that is powering

39:54

this whole thing, even though those

39:56

companies aren't making money yet in

39:58

most cases. They're playing the same thing. game to

40:00

like uber played where we can just get the

40:02

whole market then we'll get all this money but

40:05

they're not really making money yet my man Jay

40:07

Caspian Kang made the point on Twitter he's like

40:09

hey man this might be a bubble and

40:12

if it's a bubble everybody's going down and I think

40:14

he is 100% correct about that

40:16

fact I think this is the beginning I

40:18

guess is what I'm saying this is not

40:20

the last story that we're going to have

40:23

about somebody being involved in something like this

40:25

there is a larger societal issue that's going

40:27

to be dealt with but I mean in

40:29

the 1960s they had to put Paul Hording

40:31

and George Papadopoulos out the hole in FL

40:34

behind the gambling and I think that something

40:36

like that might happen now except the problem

40:38

is the gambling is now funding everything so

40:40

how exactly do you do that yeah I

40:42

mean we see the NBA having these challenges

40:45

where they're trying to crack down on

40:47

their players in that way but they're

40:49

also opening new ways to do in-game

40:51

betting it feels like hypocrisy in a

40:53

way I and maybe

40:55

you'll talk to me you'll can or you'll

40:57

help me understand why everyone is so bothered

41:00

by this but like it doesn't

41:02

bother me nearly as much as it does

41:04

other people like yeah when you do certain

41:07

things you can't do other things

41:09

it makes sense to me thought that about

41:11

me at all yeah like when people say

41:13

that's what you want with you players bet

41:15

inside the facility okay go home no on

41:17

college basketball like none of this bothers me

41:20

no have you ever heard of insider trading like

41:22

there's like there's there's no things

41:24

you can't do like it for the money

41:27

that they make I think it's an appropriate

41:29

trade we don't think it's appropriate for you

41:31

to do this how about

41:33

this I

41:35

imagine that if you work at call

41:37

it Seagram so whoever owns Seagrams now

41:40

yeah you can't drink at your desk

41:42

no agreed right

41:44

like I imagine now back in the day it may have

41:46

been different but now you're working Philip Morris you

41:49

can't just smoke a cigarette out here

41:51

in your cubicle right like no like

41:53

there's there's some things that you cannot

41:56

do those things are like dangerous to

41:58

those individuals this is

42:00

dangerous to the whole industry that

42:03

you just pointed out, it's kind

42:05

of becoming a major pillar for

42:07

sports entertainment and sports altogether. So

42:09

one person could potentially have an

42:11

issue so large that it shakes

42:13

the foundation of all of this

42:15

because this is all based on

42:18

the fact that we

42:20

believe, we all believe that is real

42:22

and true and everybody doing their best.

42:24

Like if you shake that, that like

42:26

everyone talked about Integrity Game and it

42:28

was a stick that Roger Goodell used all

42:30

the time and when I was at the Union it would annoy

42:32

the hell out of me. But it ain't a joke, they

42:34

would use it sometimes in times when it didn't

42:37

matter but Integrity of the game does

42:39

matter because that's why

42:42

this entertainment is good because it's believed and

42:44

that's why it's the only entertainment that people

42:46

go tune in because it's not scripted, it

42:48

feels real, legitimate. If we got

42:51

to a point where like this is no longer our

42:53

control, we can DVR that shit and

42:55

not watch it, not care. And I think

42:57

like the NBA, I was talking to somebody about this, I think

42:59

it was Bob Ligaris but he was making the point and I

43:01

think it's a fair one that the

43:04

NBA has gone super moral right at various points. I

43:06

mean this is the league that went so far as

43:08

to put Black Lives Matter on the court, whether you

43:10

agree with the approach or whatever it is, it is

43:12

the league that wanted you to know as much as

43:14

anything else that it had a conscience and I would

43:16

make the argument the NFL does the same thing too

43:18

just in a different way, it feels more cynical. But

43:21

all that American flag stuff and everything else in the

43:23

military, like they're telling you, they're projecting a morality, right?

43:25

Like you can't ignore the fact that

43:27

those leagues are intentionally projecting a morality

43:31

and now they're giving you gambling

43:33

and the idea that they're going to put

43:35

it in the league pass that you are

43:37

able to gamble, I swear, it's not why

43:39

anybody got into this, man. This is going

43:41

to go down ultimately the way the NBA

43:43

has embraced gambling, it's not going to look

43:45

great historically for Silver, it's not going to

43:47

look great historically I think for any of these

43:49

people. Like this is not, this

43:52

is just not the reason that people got involved.

43:54

I don't have a problem with gambling in principle

43:56

in the same way I don't have a problem

43:58

with cocaine in principle. I just

44:00

know it's really, really dangerous for a lot

44:02

of people to engage in it on top

44:04

of the fact that it's now going through

44:07

a phone, which is designed to be addictive.

44:09

All these apps are designed to get as

44:11

much proportion of your attention as possible. So

44:13

we're compounding all these things. And that's why

44:16

when it gets to the level of say, Shohei Otani,

44:19

I'm like, yeah, no, no, no, no, we need to

44:21

get in here. We need to really talk about what

44:23

it is that we're doing right now. This is like

44:25

a multi-part conversation. You said like 10 things that I

44:27

can't even keep up with wanting to respond to. But

44:30

so to continue with

44:32

a gambling analogy, the deck is stacked

44:34

a bit. When you bring up the

44:36

phone's addictive nature and the addictive nature

44:38

of gambling and the risk that it

44:40

can present to people, the deck is

44:42

stacked against a lot of people who

44:44

don't necessarily have a lot of control.

44:46

And you said like cocaine, like, yeah,

44:49

but cocaine is not legal. And if

44:51

it were, you couldn't, it wouldn't be

44:53

like administered through a phone in a

44:55

game. But anyway, I don't get

44:57

too far on that analogy, but like that is why it

44:59

is partially very scary. At some point

45:01

we get back to the Otani stuff, but oh

45:04

yeah, the marketing. So like you talked about moral

45:06

messaging, like, yeah, these companies are just marketing. They

45:08

want you to think that in

45:11

order, and this is something that we dealt with when I was

45:13

at the union at the NFL, is we had a rash of

45:15

player arrests connected to that

45:17

All-Star game that we talked about

45:19

in Vegas. And what

45:21

All-Star game? It never happened. Yeah,

45:23

yeah, yeah, yeah. It never happened.

45:26

So behind closed doors, we would have conversations.

45:28

And then there was even more closed doors

45:31

and smaller groups where it was like, look,

45:34

don't nobody want to associate, and everyone

45:36

recognized this from the NBA, the David

45:39

Stern era and the dress code. Don't

45:42

none of these companies want to

45:44

associate with something that feels like

45:46

it is too black, too

45:50

violent, too young, too

45:53

liberal. These companies

45:56

are trying to associate with something so

45:58

that they can... coast

46:00

off of that in order to make a bunch

46:02

of money. So a lot of the penalties in

46:04

football for behavior is not because the NFL

46:07

is some moral arbiter, it's because they want

46:09

to be viewed as an upstanding

46:12

place where bounty wants you to associate

46:15

those things together. So this

46:17

move with NBA, where

46:20

they seem a lot more progressive in

46:22

their causes, I believe that they recognized

46:24

that they were a younger skewing league

46:26

and they recognized that their direct competition

46:29

is the NFL. We can't

46:31

out NFL the NFL. I believe that part of

46:33

it was around what was happening in the world,

46:35

but part of it was like, all right, we're

46:37

going to be the younger, hipper, cosmopolitan

46:40

league that is progressive and is

46:42

not going to be out here

46:45

promoting all this more conservative

46:47

stuff. They took their risk and

46:51

they did not accompany it. I don't want to

46:53

say that the issues that the NBA is

46:55

having is connected to that, but I can't,

46:57

I would not say that it's not at

47:00

all where a lot of the people who

47:02

would want to be associated with it are

47:04

like, nah, that ain't for me. That ain't my league, but

47:06

there's a bunch of other problems with basketball too. Basketball

47:08

has got a lot to think about, man. They

47:11

got a lot to look, I think they all got a lot

47:13

to think about. I think the NFL, regardless of what the numbers

47:15

are, clearly they're going to have a lot to think about

47:17

in figuring out where this goes. But

47:21

now they've, we've decided what's floating

47:23

this, what's floating this boat post COVID, right? Like

47:25

a good friend of mine made a great point

47:27

about 2020. He said, 2020,

47:29

it was a catalyst. Everything

47:31

that was going to happen after 2020 was

47:33

going to happen. It was just going to

47:36

happen faster. And if we stop

47:38

and look back at how sports and many things

47:40

have changed since then, like, for example,

47:43

the NCAA tournament, it's

47:47

hate. It's, I don't want to call it a demise, the men's

47:49

NCAA tournament, right? That's one thing. We got to make sure we

47:51

call it the men's tournament. Now it's a whole nother world. I

47:55

don't care. It's

47:57

happening right now. And I don't care. I will be honest. I

47:59

got more. in the women's tournament, but let me

48:01

know when the games come up. Like I ain't just

48:03

watching anybody play, right? Like you let me know when

48:05

the games come up. It was headed that direction before

48:07

COVID. They took that year off outside

48:10

of that time. They Carolina ended that whole rivalry they

48:12

had with Duke. I ain't really been paying that much

48:14

attention to ended it. I like that.

48:17

All right. It's over. There is no rivalry

48:19

anymore. They just play every year. I'm with

48:21

you. It's over. You and see one. The

48:23

war is over. The

48:26

other point that I wanted to make that you reminded

48:28

me of when you brought a tournament is if I

48:32

was ever to like write a book, this

48:34

is the topic that I feel like I

48:36

would focus on is like the balance between

48:39

the professionalization and

48:41

sports from youth all the way up to pro

48:45

sports and also like the business interests.

48:47

And you made the point that this

48:50

is not why any of us are here

48:52

when it's talking about making it more about

48:54

gambling. And I hate to be this old

48:56

curmudgeonly guy, but I actually don't hate to

48:59

be the get off my lawn. It was

49:01

better back in my day. But I do

49:03

think there is some balance between maximizing

49:05

profit and having a

49:08

sport. And I think that some of

49:10

this pushes us further in direction of

49:12

maximizing profit. And it's funny that we

49:14

see the women's college

49:16

basketball game thriving

49:19

in this time. And it feels like

49:21

they are in the early, earliest stages

49:23

of that transition. There's like a sweet

49:25

spot where the business influence makes the

49:28

game better. And then the business influence

49:30

takes over the game to a point

49:32

where it gets less and less attractive.

49:35

And the pressures are how can

49:37

we best monetize this? And the

49:39

decisions to monetize it on occasion,

49:41

they conflict with the quality of

49:44

the product. And it's

49:46

unavoidable when you are faced

49:48

with that decision. I believe maybe

49:51

this is like some nostalgia

49:53

whitewashing, but I believe that there were

49:55

times when you would make that decision

49:57

and people would err on the side

49:59

of... what they thought was best for the

50:02

game, air quotes. That decision ain't being made

50:04

anymore, right? It feels like the decisions that

50:07

are being made are like, what's

50:09

gonna make us the most money? And something's going to

50:11

be lost when you have two

50:13

priorities. Eventually you're

50:15

forced to choose between those two priorities.

50:18

And I don't think that we've been choosing, I

50:20

feel like we've been choosing the wrong one more

50:22

and more lately. Well,

50:25

I was just reading a book that

50:27

raised a very interesting point that I

50:29

had never considered, which was that what

50:33

if profit maximization was

50:35

not always the goal?

50:37

Yes. And

50:40

it hasn't always been the goal. This is

50:42

actually a relatively new phenomenon. And I

50:45

think what is different, now of course you could say that

50:47

these leagues have always been about a money and da da

50:49

da, okay, I get it, right? But

50:51

the bottom line is not everybody has felt like

50:53

they had to squeeze every dime out of what

50:55

it was that they were doing. Especially

50:58

at the level of money that we talk about that people

51:00

are making now. Like not everybody felt like they had to

51:02

do that at every turn. We have

51:04

a bit revisionist history of how things

51:06

were compared to how they are now.

51:09

I believe that the NFL is the

51:11

thing I've been closest to. That

51:16

real business people, and I

51:18

don't mean that as a compliment, but real

51:20

business people just got to the NFL.

51:23

If you think about the hundred year history, they

51:25

just got to the NFL. Analytics

51:28

is just getting to sports. Like

51:30

sports was a side thing that was

51:33

not, and I get it, a lot

51:35

of people cared about profit and they

51:37

had vision for building something bigger. But

51:40

you can tell by the way the

51:42

salaries changed, the way the

51:44

backgrounds of the people in the game changed,

51:48

front offices, like you getting MBAs and

51:52

people off of Wall Street. Like

51:54

this is relatively new. I feel

51:56

like in the early 2000s,

51:59

I know money. ball was before that,

52:01

but the game has changed. And I

52:03

don't know what to call what it

52:05

was before, but it was not as

52:07

heavily tilted towards, um, profit maximization as

52:10

it is now. And

52:13

I don't know when to flip what, when

52:15

to flip happened, but I, we all felt

52:17

it. And we all know that it's different

52:19

now that the people who were running it,

52:21

maybe they didn't understand how to be as

52:24

ruthless and efficient at businessmen as the w as

52:26

the men and women who are running it now,

52:28

but it does feel. Not

52:31

it does feel it is a lot

52:34

different. And I'm going to be the old man yelling

52:36

on my lawn when y'all talk about how good everything

52:38

is now I'm like, Hey, but it was

52:40

better when it was better. When, no, no,

52:43

I mean, in this as

52:46

the thing, I always say, when people start talking about like

52:48

private equity coming into sports and my argument always is, when

52:50

is the last time private equity came in and made something

52:52

better, you know? And

52:54

I, I find, and I get this

52:56

for a lot of younger people, especially like, again, and

52:58

I don't, I do not

53:00

recall when I was

53:02

in my twenties being nearly as

53:05

resentful of older people as

53:07

I feel like the people in their twenties and maybe

53:09

even early thirties are now, like I just don't recall

53:11

it. Like I've made this point before and then they

53:13

get mad all over again. Like I was talking about

53:15

it with the Jordan LeBron thing. And I'm like, I

53:17

don't feel like the older generation is nearly as angry

53:20

and resentful in this argument as the younger ones are.

53:22

And maybe it's because of the position that I'm in,

53:24

right? Like I can recognize the possibility that I could

53:26

be wrong, but the anger that I was met with

53:28

when I said that did not do anything to dissuade

53:30

me from my initial hypothesis, right? Like there's, and

53:33

I get it on a number of levels. I think they don't realize

53:35

people, they need to really be mad at or did, but

53:37

they, you know, like the, the level

53:39

of anger that I see age wise

53:41

in this pop up, it's just kind

53:43

of like, wow, but I promise

53:46

you, man, in a lot of these

53:48

things, hear us out. Like if

53:51

you can hear some of the stuff that we talk about,

53:53

you might be able to make your shit better when it

53:55

come around your time to make it go, because now man,

53:57

like the soul does feel like.

54:00

It has been removed from what is fundamental

54:02

about so me the things that we ultimately

54:04

have come to enjoy whether be sports be

54:06

music to theaters like the average of all

54:08

like entertainment. So because that's basically what the

54:10

artistic classes now by what he used to

54:12

be plays but that's not what it is

54:14

anymore, it's television, his movies is all of

54:16

the stuff and look up talking to people

54:18

who make things happen right people who do.

54:20

Very important thing is they are disheartened. By.

54:22

The way to profit maximization to suck

54:24

the sole lot of everything and it

54:27

happens over and over again. and we

54:29

allowed to happen over and over again.

54:31

And I'm certainly not long new for

54:33

a time when. Paul

54:35

Brown was. Dog.

54:38

Owner of or anyway. I'm not longing for

54:41

their time, but there's something a be saved

54:43

for our mom and pop restaurants. Being.

54:46

Bought by ah investment firm

54:48

or private equity firm or

54:50

bought up by a bigger

54:52

chain. To. Your point of soul

54:54

is going to leave battle mean that

54:56

it won't be more efficient and more

54:58

effective Him more productive a machine, but

55:00

there's something and using words like soul

55:02

I think if. It's. Easy for

55:05

people to dismiss this conversation but I

55:07

think that people know we're talking about.

55:09

You know the difference between a like

55:11

are a manufactured boy band pop song

55:14

that just hits know mean it a

55:16

fun but you know the difference between

55:18

met in. Our know, blues, whatever.

55:20

Like, we all recognize that there's a

55:22

difference between men and we recognize when

55:24

it's happening and you had I already

55:26

buys a bet is happening to sports

55:29

at every by in that not everyone

55:31

but lots of people around us are

55:33

like. Set.

55:35

Up Users you dodo was you. Talk about.

55:37

Be. Part of dirt dirt dug it out ahead.

55:40

Conversation with my kids are numbered times where

55:42

it's like winner haven't and am and you

55:44

gotta go. the of the have your bumps

55:46

and bruises you learn you get older but

55:48

sometimes I try to help them avoid him

55:50

and I've told them a number towns are

55:52

know how often as sinks and is like.

55:55

Part of being a genius

55:57

is being able to learn

55:59

from. someone else's experience and

56:02

listen here, I've been 10.

56:05

Like maybe I'm not 10 now, maybe

56:07

I'm not 10 in your classroom, but

56:10

I've been 10. I've done

56:12

it before. So to your point about

56:14

like resenting older people, like, and

56:17

this ties back into some of the Asian culture

56:19

stuff that we talked about. And like, I'm not

56:21

steeped in Japanese culture,

56:23

but you get the sense from reading

56:25

that people suspect or people present idea

56:27

that they have a different value for

56:30

that life experience. That's something that we ain't

56:32

never done. We always liked the new young

56:34

hot thing. That's what, who's young? Who's 20?

56:37

Who dropped out and started a company? They gon'

56:39

build it. They got all

56:41

the answers. The 80 year old did it. They've

56:43

seen it happen 14 times already. Yeah, I will

56:45

say this though. One thing about the cold hearted

56:47

capitalism, I will bring this part up. I,

56:51

there is an argument that is a little more

56:54

fun or a little easier to work for the

56:56

cold hearted capitalist because at least I know what

56:58

we doing, right? Get this done, get these numbers.

57:00

We gon' be all right. I don't know if

57:02

you done ever worked for Touchy Feelie, but Touchy

57:04

Feelie, you don't know what the hell going on

57:07

here. You're like, why am I even

57:09

being good at my job? I don't understand what the

57:11

point was of me being good at my job. Touchy

57:13

Feelie, like I've been in America way too long. I

57:15

think when you go to like, when you go to

57:17

France and you've been like, yo, it's nine o'clock. I

57:19

want to cross salt. It's Monday. Why y'all ain't open?

57:21

We're not worried about money. And I say my first

57:23

thought whenever I'm over there is like, y'all ain't trying

57:25

to get no money. Everybody want to

57:27

get no money. I don't

57:30

understand. Like what I want

57:32

by capitalism, I want it. So

57:34

first of all, I feel like I just made an

57:36

argument for the presidential candidates that we have coming up.

57:38

That was not what I was trying to do about

57:41

being 80 and knowing stuff. But

57:44

also, yeah, there are good things and

57:46

bad things with everything. And I am

57:48

with you. There are lots of things

57:51

about this modern society that I love.

57:53

I am not complaining about Uber or

57:55

Uber Eats. I'm not complaining about Amazon

57:57

or all the other things. But

58:00

you just recognize that there are trade-offs that come with

58:02

it and make sure you are comfortable with them trade-offs,

58:04

because I am with you. Get my

58:06

croissant right when I want you to get

58:08

your ass in here and work. Now that

58:10

I can make some things happen with this

58:12

bread, I'm all about little extra money, get

58:14

big things. I'm

58:18

trying to make it happen.

58:22

Let me tell you something about this capitalism, right? I'll

58:24

never forget this. You know,

58:26

my dad is body-body. I said this for a long

58:29

time. My dad is body-body. And

58:32

when I lived in Miami, my parents came to visit me.

58:34

Before I moved, I was like, y'all want you guys to

58:36

come down and visit me? And I was living in this

58:38

place and it was like super Miami, like all

58:40

whited out all of this, had views

58:43

on both sides of water, had

58:46

a rooftop situation. Like I was really making it

58:48

happen in that place. It was a terrible place to

58:50

live, by the way. It looked great. It was

58:52

functionally flawed, we shall see.

58:56

My daddy came in there, I'll never forget. And

58:58

he walked in that living room and he looked

59:00

out that window and he saw that

59:02

view of that water and he saw that sun

59:04

hitting that water. And I just watched him just

59:06

stand there, just his hands on his hips, just

59:08

like, wow, right? Cause my daddy loves

59:11

water. Like, if I think he always wanted to get

59:13

a place at the beach, that's his bag, man. He

59:15

just out there looking at it and just smiling. Like

59:17

he just be stretching the time, just

59:19

out there staring at it. And

59:21

I remember at some point he came back and he looked at

59:23

me and he said, you

59:25

know, I might have

59:27

to rethink some of

59:29

my views on the ruling class.

59:33

Hey man, hey man, look,

59:35

look, look, look, look, look, look. Unfortunately,

59:41

the only way to get some of this nice stuff

59:43

is to get a whole lot of money. And

59:46

it shouldn't be that way. And I

59:48

hope that one day you are able to figure

59:50

out how to crack the code. Cause

59:53

right now I gotta say it's

59:56

working out. I'm not saying it's working

59:58

out as well for everybody. But I'd be

1:00:00

lying if I said it hadn't worked out that well

1:00:02

for me. Yeah. I mean, who

1:00:05

gonna get there and then want to change the system?

1:00:07

Like once you, once you get there, like you can talk

1:00:09

bad about it all you want, but once you get

1:00:11

there, it's like, Oh, well, okay. Things

1:00:13

are a little bit easier. It's

1:00:16

the small things like the, the view and all that

1:00:18

and nice house. It's the small things that you were

1:00:20

talking about where it's like, throw a couple of extra

1:00:22

dollars on here and you ain't got to wait in

1:00:24

line. That's like, you

1:00:26

can tell you how much I

1:00:28

spent at Disney world just so we

1:00:30

can avoid all the nonsense they got.

1:00:32

Yeah. While

1:00:35

we are exposing some parts of this that

1:00:37

we don't like, I'm certainly not pretending like

1:00:40

I'm unhappy with the way that things have worked

1:00:42

out for me personally, but I ain't going to

1:00:44

pretend like it ain't like

1:00:46

I'm not saying it's a blowout per

1:00:48

se, right? Like, you know, capitalism got

1:00:50

some doves. They taking us to game

1:00:52

seven. Capitalism is taking every time we

1:00:54

go to game seven. That's it coming

1:00:56

down to free throws. I

1:00:59

say, but I acknowledge that's for

1:01:01

me. Yeah. I don't know how the

1:01:03

hell the rest of y'all go get this over. If

1:01:06

you ain't, if you ain't getting this door a little

1:01:08

while ago, it is over dog. O

1:01:10

V E R over. Capitalism got a

1:01:12

first round by in my tournament. They

1:01:15

are skipping the first round. They are

1:01:17

skipping the first round. Boy, I recognize

1:01:19

that there are many issues with it

1:01:21

and I will voice those complaints or

1:01:24

not complaints, those concerns on

1:01:26

a public platforms. However,

1:01:29

and look, and look when the revolution meet the

1:01:31

capitalism in the bracket, you know who I'm rooting

1:01:33

for. You know what I'm saying? But

1:01:35

I ain't going to lie. I'm going

1:01:37

to hide some of this money before y'all win. No,

1:01:40

I don't see what y'all did in the

1:01:42

mother places. I'm like, what buddy? I ain't

1:01:44

got no buddy. What are you talking about?

1:01:46

And the spirit of this network. I'm rocking

1:01:48

one of them mama Kelsey split jerseys at

1:01:50

that tournament. Split

1:01:55

jerseys. Like, it's buddy.

1:02:00

people online talk about how I be out here

1:02:02

defending capitalism. I'm like, no, I don't be defending

1:02:04

capitalism. I just don't lie. Capitalism has been not

1:02:06

so bad to me. It has not been great

1:02:08

for the world. I can tell you everything that's

1:02:10

terrible about it. It doesn't need to be shut

1:02:13

down. Hell, there's some arguments to be made. It's

1:02:15

already been shut down already, but no, it is

1:02:17

flawed or whatever. But I am not going to

1:02:19

act like I wasn't over here 7-11, 7, even

1:02:23

back, don't, little Joe, I

1:02:26

can't pretend like that didn't happen. Well, what I,

1:02:28

what I am not going to stand for it.

1:02:30

Y'all go ahead to fix racism before y'all, before

1:02:32

y'all come for my capitalism benefits. That's

1:02:36

the problem, man. The capital connect. That's

1:02:38

the problem though. The capitalism and the

1:02:40

racism is so intertwined in such a

1:02:42

way that you can't really divorce them.

1:02:44

Like, you know, like one

1:02:46

could make the argument that racism

1:02:48

in a way assisted your ability to get

1:02:50

your fame and fortune. Cause otherwise somebody's fast

1:02:53

white boys might've been competing with you. You

1:02:55

know what I'm saying? But that sizzle took

1:02:57

it in a whole nother direction. They felt like

1:02:59

they had other opportunities and they looked at me

1:03:01

and said, nah, I can't mess with that. You're

1:03:04

right. I had a job that

1:03:06

was segregated only for black folks. Shout out

1:03:08

coop. You

1:03:11

got the only good play. Only good pay

1:03:13

is segregated job. Play

1:03:16

a quarterback. And it's literally the only one.

1:03:18

Cause if a white dude show any flash

1:03:20

of basketball potential, don't you worry, somebody go

1:03:22

try to give you a million dollars. You

1:03:24

try to play a quarter. Don't you worry.

1:03:26

You'll be playing safe. Put

1:03:29

your hands in slot. Get

1:03:31

your ass out there. You're going to

1:03:33

be doing running rots. You better play

1:03:35

receiver lad. More Conkey. Get your

1:03:38

ass out there. Russell routes. I'm

1:03:41

so worried at how much of a sellout I

1:03:43

sounded like when we got to roll it about

1:03:45

that capitalism. I'm not a sellout though. I promise

1:03:47

you, but I just can't, I can't lie. I

1:03:50

can't, I'm gonna say this last thing. And this will be a lie

1:03:52

with what I was talking about. When we was talking about the platinum

1:03:54

and how I know them cats wouldn't get the platinum. I ever tell

1:03:56

you the story about the time I went to go get a roll

1:03:58

at. Yep. I want

1:04:00

to hear it again. Yeah. So those y'all don't know,

1:04:02

uh, when I got my first like big deal, I

1:04:05

went to get a Rolex. I wasn't trying to get

1:04:07

no crazy Rolexes. Quite honestly, I still be going places.

1:04:09

You know what I'm saying? Where I don't need to

1:04:11

be out here throwing it in people's faces. Right. I

1:04:13

need to, you know, I still got some spots I

1:04:16

go to. Right. And so I go

1:04:18

in and so funny because I walk in and it's

1:04:20

this dude and this woman and a dude, Elbow, the

1:04:22

woman to make her come help me. Cause he was

1:04:24

so sure I wouldn't try to spend no money anyway.

1:04:29

So, um, I look at a

1:04:31

watch, it's looking extra dope and I'm like, Oh, I like

1:04:33

that. Why tell me about it? And she goes, Oh yes,

1:04:35

that watch it only comes in the platinum that that that

1:04:37

is. She keeps talking and I say, well, how much does

1:04:40

it cost? It just ended up cost $89,000 or $84,000. And

1:04:48

as I'm hearing, as she goes from

1:04:50

A to T, A P I'm

1:04:53

like, okay, how do I move

1:04:55

off of this watch onto

1:04:57

another watch without just broadcasting? Hey baby,

1:05:00

I ain't got no $89,000. Right.

1:05:03

Like, like how, how do I, how do

1:05:05

I get over there as smoothly as I

1:05:07

possibly can? Cause I was just, and that's

1:05:09

how, that's how I know them cats were

1:05:11

not here rocking no platinum. If that little

1:05:13

bit of platinum made that watch $84,000. I

1:05:17

feel you as where I stand

1:05:20

now, I feel like you should have just said, Oh

1:05:22

no, that's too rich my blood, but I wouldn't have

1:05:24

said that either. All of us, all of us got

1:05:26

some, some personal pride in securities out of it. Oh,

1:05:28

well, I kind of don't like, like the way that,

1:05:30

that, that second hand moving. I liked the way the

1:05:33

$20,000 second hand move better. When it was already after

1:05:35

that white man had decided I was not worth his

1:05:37

time. It sent me off to his, Hey, look, I'm

1:05:39

not one to try to prove none of these people.

1:05:41

Like I got to watch that. I liked, I wouldn't

1:05:43

go do that just to show this white man something,

1:05:46

but I do remember this sort of thing at

1:05:48

the Rolex story is you buy a Rolex, they

1:05:50

tell you congratulations, the most arrogant thing any business

1:05:52

has ever done. Congratulate me for spending $10,000 on

1:05:54

a watch. They

1:05:56

get your champagne too, right? Yes. Champagne and

1:05:58

they say congratulations. Before I got the

1:06:00

champagne, first person to tell me congratulations was that

1:06:03

sucker. And he was salty. Congratulations.

1:06:05

And then walked away, missing

1:06:07

out on that commission. Christian wasn't even that much, man.

1:06:09

He even still, he just, he thought he knew. He

1:06:12

need, you know what he need to do? He need

1:06:14

to watch more sports. Yeah,

1:06:17

you think so. He

1:06:20

should have automatically been like, hey,

1:06:23

this brother knows something. I

1:06:25

mean, I was underdressed. I admit that. But it

1:06:27

was like, New Year's Eve. Like the morning of

1:06:30

New Year's Eve, but a 30th or something like

1:06:32

that. I was definitely underdressed. I did not even

1:06:35

still, it's Miami. You should know by now,

1:06:37

anybody might, I mean, I ain't gonna say

1:06:39

anybody might have money. Anybody might be able

1:06:41

to get through the process of purchasing something,

1:06:43

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1:06:57

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