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hot nothing for as long as you like. That's

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what I'm here for. I'm here to

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talk about how I thought you performed

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a national public service by properly calibrating

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Usher. Never really was

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able to explain to anybody how I felt

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about Usher as someone from Atlanta, other

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than saying I thought he was kind of an

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annoying musical theater kid with talent from North Fulton

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High School and North Atlanta

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High School. And it turns out you had

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the proper calibration, which is fundamentally

1:06

unserious artist to put on a great show. I

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think that's that's exactly it. Yeah,

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it was a great show. And you pointed out two interesting

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things. And I talked about it a little bit. We talked

1:15

about Usher coming off the show,

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but there's no way. All right. So

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when I got to Atlanta for college in the year 1997,

1:23

somebody was asking what is

1:25

the song? Right. What's

1:28

the hot song on the radio down here? And I

1:30

just remember the girl being like. It

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goes who you get crunked, who you wit.

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And we're like, what? Who you

1:39

wit get crunked, who you wit? Like,

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like that, that's how the song goes. Who you wit

1:43

get crunked, who you wit? Like, that's all you had.

1:45

And then you heard it and you're like, okay,

1:48

I kind of see it. And then by

1:50

time number three, now you out there looking

1:52

like the locals. Who you wit? Right.

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Like you do it all the stuff that they do it. Right. I

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love it. Lil Jon with these Eastside boys. And

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I don't know what in the world they did. There was no

2:02

way you ever could have looked in 90 in 1997

2:06

you couldn't convince me that he was gonna be somebody

2:08

in old one in old one you couldn't

2:10

convince me He was gonna be somebody in oh three

2:12

in 2024 He out

2:14

there at Super Bowl and when he

2:16

wearing all his rich people clothes, I know he

2:18

bought him himself. Mm-hmm Yeah, well first

2:21

of all little tick behind the scenes here

2:24

Little John was destined for greatness because this whole family is full

2:26

of brilliant people They should know

2:28

this like his brother is like a

2:30

high muckety-muck Doctor

2:32

at a hospital in Midtown Atlanta

2:34

who plays saxophone in a soft

2:37

jazz band in his spare time

2:40

I don't know this because I read it.

2:42

I know this because I know someone who

2:44

knows him That's that's how local this is

2:47

that's proprietary knowledge. I got myself I

2:50

know this too because I believe one of his parents

2:52

is a rocket scientist That

2:54

correct like literal rocket scientist.

2:56

Yeah, I think is the

2:58

aerospace engineer. Yeah. Yeah aerospace

3:00

engineer So someone someone he

3:03

had no choice but to be great additionally,

3:05

I can tell you this little

3:07

John has milked the bit harder

3:10

and better and for longer than Anyone

3:13

in the history of entertainment? Anyone and

3:15

this is because if you put little

3:17

John on the stage, everyone's always happy

3:19

to see him It doesn't matter the

3:21

environment usher proof this usher put that

3:24

man on a ballot on

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a ballot I do not think when I

3:28

think of the physical act of love and

3:30

the emotions that come with it Little

3:32

John's voice is not what I associate

3:35

with it. Okay, D'Angelo.

3:37

Yes Prince. Yes

3:39

Okay Personally Jill Scott.

3:42

Yes, but I do

3:44

not think of little John and yet it worked because

3:46

lovers and friends you put it on it People are

3:48

like, oh so happy to hear this so happy to

3:50

see this guy. I've been with you

3:52

for a long time Just

3:58

like the most scaring

4:00

the ladies track on the world

4:02

and yet he made it work. And they clearly

4:04

let him write it himself. Cause I just refuse

4:06

to believe that anybody got paid extra money to

4:08

write that down. No, no. I'm convinced that was

4:10

straight off the dome and that little John did

4:12

it was like, that's going to sell a million.

4:15

That track's going to be heat. He was

4:17

right. Did you see when little John did

4:19

the verses and I can't remember who his

4:21

verses was against, but it was like, Oh

4:24

my God, he just keeps pulling out heat.

4:26

Like I did not quite recognize how much

4:28

heat there was and heat that was left

4:30

on the table. You know, both little John

4:32

and ludicrous are those guys who have, uh,

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like they're so deep in the catalog that

4:37

they have tracks from like the Shrek three

4:39

sound track that bang, like they

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have some of these like late nineties,

4:44

early two thousands. I did it for

4:46

the cash tracks that you still listen to and go, no, no,

4:49

no, that goes and they will never get enough

4:51

respect. Why? Because they're like

4:53

to have a little fun. They're fundamentally unserious,

4:56

right? Neither, neither little John,

4:58

little John has songs like that, but neither

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little John nor ludicrous at any point prioritized.

5:02

I am a dangerous person who doesn't like

5:04

people and commits crimes, right? Like

5:07

they were about to party first. And then maybe there was

5:09

a hint of that afterwards. And I think that's one of

5:11

the reasons that initially it was like, I

5:13

mean, I liked that guy, but I don't really want to

5:15

tell anybody. I do turn it up with ludicrous is on

5:17

a verse, but, uh, but you know, I'm not going to

5:19

tell the cool kids that. Nah, like

5:21

in Atlanta, it took the evolution with ludicrous cause

5:24

he was a dude on the radio and

5:26

like it's like, this is the guy that's doing drops

5:28

on the radio and it's like, Oh, he has his

5:30

own song and it's a timberland song. Oh, okay. How

5:32

does this go? And it was like gradual step by

5:34

step. And I feel like the ludicrous, it was a

5:36

big deal, but he got his solves on the other

5:38

radio station. Right. Cause he was

5:40

a DJ on one of the radio stages.

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That will be an impediment to getting your

5:45

jams on the other radio station. And then

5:47

it went and it went and my man,

5:49

while he sparks, always makes this point. Ludicrous

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low key has the perfect rap career.

5:54

There is nothing that you could expect

5:56

of a rapper's career that has a

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box. The ludicrous has not. He

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has checked every single one

6:02

including winning a high-profile beef

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Against one of his peers

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in rarefied air of his

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time. He did that No

6:11

He did that and I'd also put it this

6:13

way one other rapper could just walk

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onto the set of like a Major

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television show as the judge

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and nobody blinks nobody blinks,

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you know why again? Everyone's thrilled to

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see him Everyone's thrilled to see him.

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It's the superpower that both he and little John

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have if you are At

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a family function and somebody goes can I bring a

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friend? They go who? You

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know, Miss little John you're gonna be thrilled you're gonna

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be like I don't care who's there I'm gonna take it

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doesn't matter if it's me doesn't matter if it's you

6:44

doesn't matter if it's a Chinese family of 27 Who

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lives in Sichuan? They're gonna be thrilled like

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oh my god little John's coming to the

6:51

party I'm so happy about that does little

6:53

John Understand that he is like Angus young

6:55

like does he realize that what he is

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bringing is AC DC for that side of

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the track I hope so it

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like he has to because that was

7:04

the thing and they in the halftime show Where did

7:07

he pop up? They're like, oh little John has to

7:09

pop up in the crowd being thrown up and down

7:12

What's he gonna be doing? He's yelling turn down for

7:14

what right? Tennessee the University of

7:16

Tennessee brought him in and did

7:18

a special fourth down like turned down for

7:20

what and Everyone loved it is

7:22

great. They're fine with it. Why cuz this

7:25

little John and he knows he is always

7:27

bringing the hype He's not there for subtlety.

7:29

We don't have little John's goth phase anywhere

7:31

on record He's not gonna be taking a

7:33

bunch of pills and doing down tone trap

7:35

beats That's not none of that's happening little

7:37

John Like they're down for what

7:40

track is interesting to me because they just

7:42

basically were like we need you to be

7:44

This hype and say this thing and do

7:46

very little else on this track and he's

7:48

like perfect. I could do that. Yes Yes, but

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give me but give me half right?

7:52

Like I'm sure there was a but

7:54

give me half discussion that that took

7:56

place Little John is

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somehow the

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most non-threatening figure that rap has produced

8:03

that allows him to be the person

8:05

that you describe and everybody's so happy

8:07

to see him while at the same

8:09

time his music presented a great threat

8:12

to safety at its peak in

8:14

its prime. The little jolly tracks came on

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the problem was that for you youngsters who

8:19

don't understand this your

8:21

dad used to go to the club and not me

8:23

because I ain't none of your daddy's but

8:25

your dad used to go to the

8:27

club and when your dad's favorite song

8:30

would come on at the club your

8:32

dad would pretend to get into a

8:34

fight. Maybe with a

8:36

friend quite possibly with a stranger

8:38

but everybody pretended like they was

8:40

getting into a fight. That

8:43

was that was kind of what we did

8:45

and Lil Jon made fight music. Like it

8:47

was it was all the songs the way

8:49

you'd be on the stage at the

8:51

club and put your hood on put your

8:54

hood up drops at midnight and now

8:56

the stage is shaking because everybody is mimicking

8:58

fighting and what were we thinking?

9:04

So I know both sometimes we

9:06

we will talk bad about the kids but

9:08

you know what the kids aren't stupid enough

9:11

to do that's something that multiple generations of

9:13

their predecessors did work themselves into a shoot

9:15

that's it they weren't stupid enough to go hey why

9:18

don't we pretend to fight on this song and

9:20

then when we do that no

9:23

one else will surely start a real fight

9:25

no one that was an assumption that

9:27

the ancestors made that

9:30

the kids these days don't make and I salute

9:32

them for it because they're smarter than we were

9:34

because inevitably when you release a song I don't

9:36

know we'll set a different group here randomly uh

9:39

that called tear the club up do

9:41

you know what someone's gonna do they

9:44

are going to follow directions and tear the

9:47

club up that's gonna

9:49

happen and then the promoters gonna have

9:51

a problem with you which

9:53

really happened in the sixth mafia if you booked

9:55

them it was like I need you to not

9:57

play that song don't play that song

9:59

why Yes, because people will do it. I'm

10:02

going to do it the line. Let's start a

10:04

ride in the club. But let's not, let's not.

10:07

My brother said that he would hit him with, how

10:10

about you play a special

10:12

remix for my club called, tear

10:14

your own shit up. How

10:16

would you like to, how would you like to play that

10:18

song? That's the song that I think you might want to

10:20

get down with. So like, I'm

10:22

not pivoting. I just do want to mention this. So,

10:26

um, there was a certain event this

10:28

past weekend that America's entire fascination was

10:30

focused on. And that's the waste management

10:32

open, which if you don't know,

10:35

that's where an entire bunch of people who, uh,

10:37

look a lot like me show up in Phoenix.

10:40

And they go to a golf tournament and

10:42

they think turned down for what? They think

10:44

turned down for what? And they act bad.

10:46

They act seriously bad because a lot

10:49

of them fully don't believe they can be

10:51

arrested. Like they just don't think that

10:53

that's a part of the state apparatus that could touch

10:55

them. Um, and that's

10:58

an example of the waste management open literally

11:00

every year says, turn down for what and

11:02

says, tear the club up. And at one

11:04

point people are going to follow suit and they go, I

11:06

am going to follow directions, right? We're here

11:09

for a bad time. Well, we're going to give them a

11:11

bad time. I'll do that. And

11:13

I, like, I talked with, I talked to someone yesterday about

11:15

this. It was, you know, in golf and they're like, I

11:18

mean, what would you do? And I'm like, um,

11:20

you're going to have to start arresting more of them. That's

11:23

how this works because they're following directions.

11:26

So we got two thoughts on this one. I

11:28

was hanging out with sheet a little bit during super

11:31

bowl week. And he told me that he, and I'm

11:33

mutual friend, the homie Tyler, I am, they've got the

11:35

podcast together, be sure to go check that out, but

11:37

they were going to Phoenix and I was like, for

11:39

the waste management and they were like, yeah. And I

11:41

was like, err, this,

11:45

uh, this, yeah, I'm,

11:47

I'm she'd at the ways management open

11:49

is a lot to consider, but the

11:51

other problem that the ways management open

11:53

God was it's something I noticed over

11:55

the years with the Cameron crazies at

11:57

Duke. And so is one thing when

11:59

you. have this kind of organic dork culture

12:01

that spawns this thing. But it's another thing

12:03

when that becomes part of the attraction. And

12:05

so now people cannot simply organically be part

12:07

of that. They want to be a part

12:09

of it, which means they go and do

12:12

too much, which means next thing you know,

12:14

with somebody dressed like Ronald McDonald. And that

12:16

really doesn't have anything to do with anything

12:18

that we're talking about or whatever, but that's

12:20

what happens. Like it's one thing when it's

12:22

like, yo, people get here and they act

12:24

rowdy. It's another thing when it's like, yo,

12:26

this the place to go get rowdy. Cause

12:28

then the people who want to get rowdy

12:30

specifically come there for the purpose of

12:32

getting rowdy and bunch of white dudes

12:34

and paper, they get extra rowdy. Uh,

12:37

because they don't think they can get

12:39

cuffed. And if they get

12:41

cuffed, they go, I don't know. It's a

12:43

good story. I can lawyer up. It'll be

12:45

fine. We complete do a misdemeanor. I'll just

12:48

have to apologize to the wife. Like that's,

12:50

those are those guys. They don't think they

12:52

can get touched. So they just

12:54

go out there and you're right. These aren't

12:56

golf fans who got rowdy. They're rowdy people

12:58

who found a golf channel. That's it. They're

13:00

rowdy people looking to get rowdy and go

13:02

have that time. Like the Cameron thing, Cameron

13:04

crazies, if it's organic, that's fine. I always

13:06

love fan groups like that. I always think

13:08

that's a fantastic time. I think you need

13:11

a space and a time in a society

13:13

for people to behave out of sorts badly

13:15

or in a chaotic fashion. It's when people

13:17

start, uh, only valuing that and not the

13:19

event that it's based on. And here's another

13:21

little side truth about this. We

13:23

don't see this a lot at football games because there

13:25

is tight security, but also because people are paying attention

13:28

to the game. Golf golf

13:30

ain't lively or active enough to keep

13:32

the rowdy and violent engaged with the

13:34

violence. There's no, there's nothing. Nobody's

13:37

getting hit out there. So I got to hit

13:39

someone over here because I'm here to have a

13:41

mayhem type time. And there's not

13:43

enough of that in front of me. It's a great point.

13:45

It's a great point. I had another observation about a little

13:48

John. I want to throw out there thinking about this, uh,

13:50

the other day, I don't want

13:52

to go to all the levels at which me and

13:54

my man's were talking about this. But like, so

13:57

as a child of the nineties and a child around.

14:00

in the 90s and specifically a dude from

14:02

Houston. You can't understand really what

14:04

had happened with us and I don't know

14:07

how it goes now with the youngsters, but

14:09

the old head basically told us

14:13

that Sega did dance to this for suckers.

14:16

That's basically what they told us from

14:18

top to bottom, right? Like

14:20

the old heads that was Sega, they was okay

14:23

for whatever reason, but these cats that's out here

14:25

singing right now, they some suckers. I was talking

14:27

about this all Monday. I don't know where all

14:29

these dudes that now talk about how much they

14:32

love Usher from back in the day. I don't

14:34

know where y'all was at, right? Like y'all must've

14:36

been listening to that Usher when

14:39

y'all was breaking out that lotion cause you wasn't telling

14:41

nobody about that neither. Like we know you did

14:43

it, but nobody said anything. Maybe that

14:45

was when y'all was listening to Usher.

14:47

I have no idea, but you have

14:50

to realize how far it had gotten

14:52

in the dancing is for suckers where

14:54

whole realms of music were made and

14:56

dudes were there and enjoyed the music

15:00

and clearly wanted to move to the music,

15:02

but the only way that it was appropriate

15:04

to move to said music was in the

15:06

name of gesticulating violence. That was the only

15:08

way that it was appropriate for

15:11

you to show that you had appreciation

15:13

for the music. Think about this. Think

15:15

about this, okay? Normally,

15:19

the privileged class hates it when

15:22

they are left out of something. When something is

15:24

made and it is specifically not for them. I think

15:26

that's part of some of the Taylor Swift backlash that

15:28

she is making music, that she's not at all for

15:30

these dudes. I always thought that was part of it

15:33

with the Kardashians. They were making content that was just

15:35

specifically not for dudes. They just wasn't here for it,

15:37

okay? There's one time

15:39

that something has been made not for

15:42

the privileged class that everybody was okay

15:44

with and that was booty shake. They

15:47

made music that was specifically

15:50

not for dudes. Not for you

15:52

to do this. Not at all. This is not,

15:54

maybe you listen to it in the car because

15:56

it makes your speakers knock, but in the end,

15:59

you are... This is not for you.

16:01

This is for them. And they

16:03

were like, Ooh, something bus. And

16:06

they jumped on and they got

16:08

down at every turn, but we

16:10

had clearly said dancing is for

16:12

them. It's for suckers. And it

16:14

is for them. That

16:16

is what it's for. That is the era that we came

16:18

up with, came up in. And it's great because so many

16:21

stars of that era had to hide their roots. So

16:23

many people had to disavow their bonafides when

16:25

it came to where they got into music

16:28

in the first place, because I hate to

16:30

tell y'all, if you got somebody who is

16:32

super tough in any genre, any genre, I

16:34

mean, it could be, it

16:36

could be country, rap, rock, metal, pop,

16:39

whatever. They came up through a

16:41

high school theater program. And I regret

16:43

to inform you that person who may look

16:46

like the hardest dude on the planet, right,

16:48

who is either rapping or screaming at you

16:50

from the stage. They probably did bye-bye birdie.

16:53

Nobody gets around doing the high

16:55

school musical. Nobody. All of

16:58

them did high school musicals. Tupac, Tupac

17:00

was a performing arts kid who later

17:02

had a tragic flirtation with being a

17:04

gangster. That is a go look at

17:07

the early work of one Dr. Dre.

17:10

Go look at the band he was in

17:12

before NWA. Okay. Go,

17:14

go look. It's different than you think. So everybody's

17:16

got to disavow that. So it's hilarious to me

17:18

that yes, as part of the generation we were

17:20

part of, uh, that there was this

17:22

like, no, no, no, you can't dance or sing.

17:25

But what about those guys in the sixties who

17:27

were wearing spangled suits and doing

17:29

coordinated steps in a quartet? You know,

17:31

like that's fine. That's totally fine and

17:33

understandable, but the rest of it, no,

17:35

it stopped there. Did Aaron Neville

17:37

stay in school long enough to do

17:39

street car? I don't know. He was

17:41

out driving trucks. He might be, he might

17:44

be different, you know, but that's another thing

17:46

is if you listen to like classic guys,

17:48

they're all, they're all doing American songbook stuff.

17:50

Right? They're all doing like, Oh,

17:52

I'd really like to do Skylark. I'd

17:54

really like to do fly me to the

17:57

moon. Like they all know stuff that your

17:59

great grandparents. for Jam to do and

18:01

then have to go well I mean I know it but

18:03

you know it's a great song but I'm not going to

18:05

do it on stage they could bust it out there and

18:07

you know what they want to a lot of them want

18:09

to I guarantee you there are entire generations of people who

18:12

have to disavow and fight the fact that they want

18:14

to sing the lame is a rob soundtrack I

18:17

guarantee you there are artists out there who are like

18:19

all I want to do is is do you hear

18:21

the people sing and I can't because it would ruin

18:24

my image Bejula Wayne know the name

18:26

of a few of them the New Orleans boys

18:28

they different man and do some New Orleans man

18:30

mess around shoot you then go read a poem

18:33

somewhere like it's a it's a

18:35

it's a it's a different world where they at

18:37

and how they go but yeah we just out

18:39

here act like we was fighting man like that

18:41

that was that was what we did the whole

18:43

way we got in the club and now we're

18:45

like we old enough now that we have to

18:47

tell the kids about this right because it's so

18:49

funny because when we look back at what they

18:52

was doing at the party 30 years before us

18:54

it was sock hopping right like it was all

18:56

this stuff that looked like that looked lame we

18:58

would look like outright savages to these youngsters it's

19:00

why we cannot judge them when they on the

19:02

internet just dropping it like it's hot for no

19:04

goddamn reason we're not in a place to say

19:06

nothing about them well that cuts both ways though

19:08

because you get guys like Jackie Wilson you go

19:10

like man who was Jackie Wilson grandma they're like

19:13

oh Jackie Wilson what a charming young man he

19:15

sang such beautiful songs as lonely teardrops look at

19:17

him you know your love is lifting me higher

19:19

what what a kind man

19:21

what a charming gentle gentleman that

19:23

dude was a killer a

19:26

boxer right a

19:28

ruffian all right and that

19:30

was the guy who would come on right be like

19:33

hold on i gotta beat your ass but first let

19:35

me go sing and then he come on stage him

19:37

you know hi you sing like this yeah and then

19:39

he'd go and beat someone's ass the minute he got

19:41

off stage that's it goes the

19:43

other way too yeah there were the

19:45

ones that gave it like james brown at

19:47

every turn gave you the yo and it

19:49

might go down do you ever hear the

19:51

stories about joe tex yeah you ever go

19:54

like the james brown joe tex story is

19:56

like oh these cats was out here pimping

19:58

back in the day shot shot And

20:00

when I say these caps, we got here

20:02

pimpin'. Yeah, I mean pimpin'. Like, was it

20:04

Joe Texas? Oh, you could have her? Mm-hmm,

20:07

yeah, you could have her. Where, Jay's Brown, Jay's

20:09

Brown, hey, got one of Joe Texas girls, and

20:11

Joe Texas did a song call, you could have

20:13

her, but it don't sound like it was Joe

20:16

Texas' girlfriend, it sounded like it was Joe Texas'

20:18

girl. Mm-hmm, yeah, dispute settled

20:20

with shotguns. Actual, like, Shaq

20:22

fights. When you're fightin' in a house, that's

20:24

one thing, okay? But when you're fightin' in

20:27

someone's Shaq, that's an entirely different

20:29

deal, and that's like the level of animus

20:31

we're talking here. And yet they would go

20:33

off stage in the full suit. Try

20:36

me. Yes. Yes.

20:39

What a composed

20:41

young entertainer. He's

20:43

got a knife in his pocket. Yo, y'all

20:45

saw them stories about Stevie Wonder, where Ray

20:47

Parker Jr. told that story about Stevie Wonder

20:49

fightin' the drummer. He got sick

20:51

of the drummer's shit, Stevie Wonder, and beat him up.

20:54

Mm-hmm. Beat his ass to the

20:56

point where other people watching the fight

20:58

were like, that's enough. You

21:00

gotta stop. Just let him have this.

21:02

He is beating your ass. Yeah, don't

21:05

try. That's it. You can always, to

21:07

me, if you take someone's public image, just invert it.

21:09

That's what they actually are, right? Like,

21:12

if I was pulling that same trick today, and I was like,

21:14

well, who's like the most reckless human

21:16

being in the world? I'm like Michael Bublé. Michael

21:19

Bublé is probably out there living

21:21

an absolutely reckless lifestyle, and I

21:23

don't even know it, because his

21:25

music is the exact opposite of

21:27

that. Yes. Well, like

21:29

with Stevie, man, we gotta remember, there's a rule

21:32

for y'all. Stevie from

21:34

Michigan, but it ain't Detroit. If

21:36

it's a Michigan, and it ain't Detroit,

21:39

and it's got some black people, leave him alone.

21:43

Let it be. Let it be.

21:45

And if you don't believe me, go look up

21:47

them debarges. You know what I'm saying? Go

21:49

look up them Mayweathers. Another case study

21:51

of this, the debarish family. The

21:55

rhythm of the night sounds like

21:57

such a positive, uplifting song, obviously

21:59

done by... positive uplifting people who

22:01

live sane lives. My friend, you

22:04

are incorrect. You are

22:06

deeply incorrect. I'm a man, baby.

22:08

Yes, you are. You sure are,

22:11

buddy. You and the thing about

22:13

the debarjes is I can't tell

22:15

none of them apart by voice. I did not

22:17

realize that the album man, baby, was not elder

22:19

bar. They all had to save. They all had

22:22

to save exact vocal lane. It appeared to be

22:24

they all seem to have like the same tragic

22:26

story and Barry Gordy thought he had found the

22:28

jackson little did he know that

22:30

he had found like the rascals

22:33

a bunch of rascals. All this love is

22:37

waiting for you and so are these hands.

22:39

You can catch up anytime you want. That's

22:41

the debarj family. You know, the butter like

22:44

that's the thing. If you're going to give

22:46

somebody the butteriest smoothest voice of all time,

22:48

guess what they're also going to get the

22:50

urge to hit someone in a club is

22:52

just inescapable. Yes, I feel like the debarjes

22:54

came a little too early because there was

22:57

a phrase that you could imagine the debarjes

22:59

saying in many different contexts, which is say

23:01

less no matter what it is that

23:03

she was throwing out there. They're like, yo, say

23:05

less. That is my only important piece of advice

23:07

to anybody who's hyperactive and younger is to go

23:10

do less and say less. If you think

23:12

about doing something, maybe wait one second and

23:14

don't. And then maybe wait another

23:17

second and don't. It would have said that the

23:19

bar is a ton of trouble. Imagine who had

23:21

to be the person to tell Joe Jackson that

23:23

his little girl had just become a debarj. Oh

23:26

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'd

23:28

send the whole five over there for

23:30

a lot of reasons, right? Just for a

23:33

lot of reasons. Do you realize what you

23:35

have to be to tell a man from

23:37

Gary Indiana that his baby girl married into

23:39

your family and him be like, the hell

23:41

she did. There's nothing but bad news coming

23:43

that way. Nothing. Yeah.

23:46

No, this is affirming my Michigan

23:48

theory. By the way, Gary's own Jackson's

23:50

were like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah,

23:52

nah, nah. We can't get involved in

23:55

this. No, no, no, no. Listen, Michigan,

23:57

Michigan and Wisconsin both have this thing where if you're outside.

24:00

the metropolitan area and you

24:02

are otherwise unaffiliated with the city. I just

24:04

assume certain things. They're the only places in

24:06

the world where I've seen somebody go, I'm

24:08

just going to go back behind the bar

24:10

and tend it myself. What?

24:12

That's not a thing you

24:15

could do. Right?

24:17

Like that's a Lewis Black joke, but I've

24:19

seen it in real life, right? That's somebody

24:21

who's like, ah, you know what? I got

24:23

to move this refrigerator. Just pull the truck

24:25

up to the front door. You're like, dude,

24:27

that's a Rose bed, right? Just pull the

24:29

truck. It doesn't matter. We're going to throw

24:31

it through the doorframe. It can't fit through

24:33

the doorframe. Get a hammer. I

24:36

know someone who can carpet. We'll

24:38

do it. Yeah. Lunatics, absolute lunatics

24:40

who they're going to make it work.

24:43

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24:47

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27:55

the lat bit. I will go get it and

27:58

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28:00

full fill it will catch me sipping.

28:02

Oh no, Chris, I got a cold

28:04

billy. That is my favorite run of

28:06

things ever. That, that to me is

28:08

when, because before that there's like dipping

28:10

in your toes in, in,

28:12

in like full Atlanta, right? There's a little bit like,

28:14

Oh, I don't know. Like I'm sure it was kind

28:16

of like, I'm going to be pop first. And then

28:18

I'll remind everyone where I'm from, but only when they're

28:21

not scared by it, right? Um, that's

28:23

not, that's not little John. It's not

28:25

young bloods. That's no, they're like, no full, full throttle.

28:27

This is, this is 100% 404. September

28:30

1998. I was

28:33

at a club called the warehouse and

28:35

the young bloods were performing. And this is when shake

28:37

them, shake them off with the only song they had

28:39

out yet. Right. And I'll just

28:41

always remember it. Sean Paul, AKA,

28:44

sharp crease eventually went up there and grabbed

28:46

the mic. They was having a little trouble

28:48

getting their show started. And

28:50

I just remember him saying, if you ain't

28:53

with the attic crew, get off the stage

28:55

and if you don't get off the stage, we're going

28:58

to get you off the stage. And we don't need

29:00

no security shouting. Stage cleared up.

29:02

Stage cleared up before a performance

29:04

ensued not long after. Yeah. Again,

29:07

I'm just going to go ahead and give them their flowers only 25

29:09

years too late. But there you go. Thank

29:11

you. They're there. They were magnificent. Well played.

29:13

Well played. Well played. I'm going to try to

29:15

do something halfway footballish. Um, I

29:17

feel like you and I have talked about this. We

29:19

may have even talked about it on this podcast before,

29:21

but I still think that we don't go back and

29:24

talk about this enough, which is this Patrick Mahoney

29:26

thing. How do we not

29:28

see this coming sooner? Right? Like he sat

29:30

for one year and was the best

29:32

other than maybe Dan Marino, like first year starting

29:34

quarterback that we had ever seen off the rip.

29:36

None of us thought this was going to be

29:38

the thing, right? None of us thought that this

29:40

was direction that it was going to go in.

29:42

I mean, Mr. Biski went before him for

29:45

good. This sake, did we miss something?

29:47

Is this cliff's fault? What in the world?

29:49

Part of it is context. You

29:51

lost him at Texas tech where I

29:54

think people had a hard time seeing

29:56

that he was marginally more impressive and

29:59

visually. visually more impressive than any

30:01

of those system quarterbacks that they had. He

30:04

was making plays. I've gone back and watched all of

30:06

the starts from his first year at Texas Tech. I

30:08

did that for an article last year. And

30:11

when he was in his first year

30:13

at Texas Tech, he is still making

30:15

the kind of plays where he's opening

30:17

up space downfield, not just with his

30:19

eyes, but with subtle movements in the

30:21

pocket. And then once he gets out

30:23

of the pocket, obviously in college, there's

30:25

just guys wide open, like the lanes

30:27

completely there. He's making improvisational throws. He's

30:30

changing his launch angle. It's all there from

30:32

the start. And I just think there

30:34

is something in him that got confused

30:36

for the system there, because everyone at

30:38

Texas Tech will throw for 3000, 4000

30:41

yards with ease

30:43

the way that he did it was, was

30:45

in a very Mahomesian way where yes, he

30:47

was on script a lot of the time,

30:49

but also a lot of the time he's

30:51

making his own plays. You know, I feel

30:53

like people took the wrong lesson from that

30:55

Oklahoma, Texas Tech game, where he had 700

30:58

yards passing and what at seven or eight

31:00

TDS by himself. He had, you know,

31:02

800 or 700 yards of offense

31:04

from scrimmage by himself. And they were paying

31:06

attention to Baker Mayfield. And

31:09

in fact, like the guy who was the system

31:11

QB in that case, more than anybody was Baker,

31:13

and also I will say this, I

31:15

think, and I've talked about this a

31:17

number of people in draft prep when it comes to

31:19

Caleb Williams, I don't think Lincoln Riley is

31:22

doing his quarterback a lot of favors in

31:24

preparing them at all for the NFL. That's

31:26

not his job, but it's something that other

31:28

quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators at least do

31:30

a little bit of along the way to

31:32

making them successful college quarterbacks. I don't think

31:35

Lincoln Riley has been doing as much of

31:37

that. And I think that Cliff for all

31:39

of the, for all of the shit

31:41

that we give him as somebody who

31:43

is a college coach and does not care

31:45

about defense, I think he did a slightly

31:48

better job of taking not the finished product

31:50

that was Mahomes, but the very, very good

31:52

product and making it slightly to

31:54

at least a bit better than he was

31:56

just coming out of high school and preparing

31:58

for the draft. So like I think he did an

32:00

okay job there. Let's award him

32:02

like, you know, moderate credit for that.

32:05

But that dude is that dude. Like you have called him

32:07

Jordan. And I think that is

32:09

more than fair because regardless of

32:11

whatever his longevity is going to be for

32:13

this period, he's as dominant as anyone has

32:15

ever been in the history of the sport.

32:17

We just missed him because of where he

32:19

was and because the product was, yes, slightly

32:21

unconventional. I am enjoying people come around

32:23

this Jordan thing, by the way. Like, I don't know

32:26

why it seems so crazy to him. When I said

32:28

in the first place, I thought I made a very

32:30

reasonable take for what this is. But now people are

32:32

looking at this and just be like, oh, no, no,

32:34

no, no, no, my bad. This looks a lot like

32:36

Jordan. It looks a lot like

32:38

Jordan because he does

32:40

things and then evolve that

32:42

no one else can do and then evolves. If

32:45

you've seen his, I had a very entertaining

32:47

49ers fan in my mentions

32:49

talk about how, well, his yards per completions

32:51

come down. Yeah, that's because they know he could throw the

32:53

ball over the moon. You got professionals out

32:56

there who are going to pick him up and

32:58

pick his receivers up and make sure they don't

33:00

just run a completely unbothered

33:02

go route. These are

33:04

good people. They are professionals. They can defend that.

33:06

What they can't defend is all the space that

33:08

you open up underneath by simply being too good

33:11

at your job to counter. And that's

33:13

the thing that he's managed to do. When they pull back in

33:15

a cover two shell, my home struggle for what, three, four games?

33:17

Three, four games until he goes, oh, no, no, no, I got that. I

33:20

got it. We're just gonna run mesh and shell. Mesh

33:22

shell, audible, we're gonna run into it. I'll

33:24

check to that audible. That's the other thing. He

33:27

has made guys so much better simply

33:30

by making good decisions on the field. And

33:32

yes, doing some of that boring game manager

33:34

stuff that nobody else does. Nobody

33:37

else does it that well. So if you

33:39

want your best game manager, that's Patrick Mahomes.

33:41

If you want your best scrambler and your

33:43

most selective scrambler, it's Patrick Mahomes. Even though

33:45

he does look, I believe it

33:47

was Dominic Foxworth who shared this with me. He

33:49

looks like a child running in a shoe store,

33:51

trying out new shoes every time

33:54

he takes off, which I think is

33:56

the appropriate description. He's the

33:58

most selective and efficient. In

34:01

the league if you want that not the

34:03

most spectacular but the most selective and efficient.

34:05

He's the best underneath thrower He's the best

34:07

improv guy He wins

34:09

at all the categories You remember when Jordan was

34:11

putting up defensive player of the year kind

34:14

of performances and addition to getting the scoring title

34:16

and the MVP That's what you're looking at here

34:18

The older Mahomes is gonna be really intriguing to

34:20

me because he'll lose a step He won't be

34:22

able to scramble quite like he used to But

34:25

I still think he's going to become an

34:27

even more efficient and productive Passer because and

34:29

this is the thing he does better than

34:32

anything else right now anything else he

34:34

steals five steals five he's

34:36

so good at putting you in second five

34:38

ain't pretty Might have been disappointing a

34:40

lot of times they'll load up for that big I you saw

34:42

this on the last drive load it up For a huge play

34:45

action. You're like, oh here comes here comes the

34:47

bomb pulled it down checked it for like

34:49

three I think to Pacheco checked it for

34:51

three. That was fine. We're in second seven

34:54

Guess what? You still have to worry about everything as a

34:56

defense You still have to worry about and

34:58

I think the next play after that by the way

35:00

They go to the defense gets impatient

35:02

because they can't stop him from nibbling at him

35:04

So they blitz him and that's what Romo goes.

35:07

Oh, they shouldn't have done that I want you to think about how

35:09

good he is that he made the

35:12

commentator a professional quarterback of renown of

35:14

his own, right? Look at San Francisco

35:16

blitzing call it a really

35:18

good cover zero blitz and hearing Romo

35:20

go. Oh, no They shouldn't have

35:22

done that. Have you ever heard of the football player

35:24

in an 11 and 11 situation? Where

35:27

the announcer basically treated them like oh, they

35:29

stuck their hand to the line cage too

35:32

bad too bad Dude

35:35

I was in when I was in Vegas I

35:37

sat for Interview when I

35:39

was prostitute myself on radio rope. I

35:42

sat down with uh I got there

35:44

telling people about this bed every time I sat

35:46

down for you to go radio road I what

35:48

you doing is out here Prostitute myself just walk

35:50

around hoping to get chose like hey daddy you

35:52

got ten minutes You can watch if you want

35:54

right like that's basically what I was doing as

35:57

I sat down with the Raiders guys And I

35:59

was looking for Like I forget

36:01

what came up, but they brought up my homes and I just,

36:03

it really hadn't dawd on me. What has got to

36:06

be like if you root for one of them other

36:08

teams in that division and you know, you got to

36:10

see that twice. Yeah. Twice every

36:12

year. Nightmares. Your

36:14

job sucks. Your job sucks. You,

36:17

you, you, you got two losses right there.

36:20

And at the very least, even if you win, that's

36:22

not going to be the kind of wind that makes you feel good. You're

36:25

going to be like, Oh man, I dodged the blade. That's

36:27

it. And what counter are you going to make? You're going

36:30

to blitz him. He's awesome against the blitz.

36:32

You're going to fall back in coverage. He'll pick you apart

36:34

with nobody with, as you said, the featherstones

36:36

of the world with dudes who have

36:39

hands like dinner plates, all right. Like

36:41

with guys who are out there, like, like

36:43

four paws play like they have hooves for

36:45

hands and that

36:48

still worked. You, you

36:50

threw the Super Bowl winning

36:53

touchdown to a guy

36:55

you'd already gotten rid of and had to

36:57

pull off his chest. And

37:00

you still found a way to get

37:02

him open against a really good defense

37:04

in the most important situation in

37:07

football. And you won by, by

37:09

the way, I got who also didn't know if the

37:11

game was over. No, didn't know. You

37:14

know, who knew it was over Pat. That's

37:16

it. This is proof that you could just delegate

37:18

everything to Pat. That's fine. I'm

37:21

convinced. Like if you were going to go, okay, who will

37:23

call plays in the huddle? Like, who could you just like,

37:25

how many quarterbacks in the league do you think? If we

37:27

rolled up and we did the full Kenny Staler thing, where

37:29

you line up with the line of scrimmage and go, I

37:32

need this formation, this personnel, let's go. How

37:34

many guys do you think could actually do that in the league?

37:37

He's one I know, like I would feel

37:39

totally comfortable, especially because he's already done that.

37:41

He goes back in

37:43

the Super Bowl, when the prior Super Bowl

37:45

went against the 49ers, I believe, when they

37:47

call wasp, which is that little go,

37:50

the little sort of, uh, in cut and go, uh,

37:53

to Tyreek Hill, he's the

37:55

one who called, he went back to the huddle to play

37:57

before he goes back to the sideline and Reed goes wasp.

38:00

You want to call wasp? Let's go. He

38:02

called it. I feel totally comfortable doing that

38:04

I do not know what you do with him other than

38:06

hope time and injury hope up to him if you're an

38:08

opponent Catch up to him.

38:10

Everything that you try to find a way to

38:12

check a box like we haven't found the weakness

38:15

We've been looking for this weakness. We've tried to

38:17

figure out what it is He's the rare guy

38:19

who isn't as good in play action He is

38:21

he is out of play action But only because

38:23

he's just so damn good when it comes down

38:26

to run and play action We've looked for every

38:28

single thing you could possibly have they threw him

38:30

out there without nobody to throw to it Just

38:32

a really good defense. Okay, cool. He went ahead.

38:35

He figured out how you make that happen What

38:39

like if you are the guys whose job it is to go cook

38:41

something up every year like okay We're gonna figure out what the thing

38:43

is that we're gonna do with Pat this year What you

38:45

got man, what you got what you got that hasn't

38:47

already been tried. What do you have? You

38:49

need a monster You're facing a monster.

38:52

You need a monster. That's it You need

38:54

to do something basic and football type that's so

38:56

dumb and so powerful that he can't counter it

38:58

You need to have two Aaron Donalds on the

39:00

line or a player that is the combination thereof

39:03

You need to have a life, you know, you need an LT

39:05

You need somebody who'd have to force them to change their

39:07

entire offense, right? that was exactly what I was about to

39:10

say is that like is is

39:12

my home the LT figure in the sense

39:14

that Everybody's running all too high

39:16

everything at this point Which seemed to have a whole

39:18

lot to do with the fact of what else you're

39:20

gonna do against this guy, right? So everywhere you look

39:22

they're running too high and then you said it took

39:24

him three weeks to figure out what to do with

39:27

that And then boom it went from there But that

39:29

to me feels like he is made and I

39:31

could be wrong But that's an LT seismic shift

39:34

in the way that defense is played just

39:36

to deal with one man because we made it

39:38

for you We just made

39:40

it for you That's it Everyone

39:43

else we pray no like other games

39:45

to get ready for you. That's what

39:47

we do It's you've basically made a

39:49

threat that we have to construct entire

39:51

systems around To counter now,

39:53

there's other simpler things by the way that could

39:55

undermine him besides just entry and like a decline

39:57

in skills over time because

40:00

I know he's real good. Nobody

40:02

can overcome not having an offensive

40:04

line. That is the one thing

40:06

that no quarterback in the world,

40:08

not even a scramblers of note

40:11

like Lamar Jackson or Mike Vick

40:13

or even Josh Allen, none

40:15

of the three of those can overcome not

40:17

having an offensive line. So if the chief

40:19

suffered one of those years where they're just

40:21

pulling guys off the street because their injury,

40:24

their injury, Lendred Reserve is like

40:26

so crowded and they've had such bad luck, then

40:28

yeah, then you're gonna have a down year. Is

40:31

him winning a Super Bowl next year guaranteed? No,

40:34

this is a big stupid game. I

40:36

know that people are struggling to figure out what happened in

40:38

a Super Bowl that goes 1919 to overtime. Let

40:41

me tell you what football happened because you

40:44

can get a lot of real smart people

40:46

who have brilliant ideas, the cool plays. You

40:48

can have Kyle Big Brain Shanahan versus Andy

40:50

the Genius Reed and guess what can happen

40:52

sometimes? Sometimes people fumble and they

40:54

throw picks and the ball bounces

40:56

a weird way or you miss

40:59

an extra point. We wouldn't be having any

41:01

of the sort of forced discussions as to

41:03

whether Kyle Shanahan did something right if they

41:05

had just picked an extra point. You

41:08

know it's that type of dump, like the game

41:10

could get dumb real fast because it's a bunch

41:12

of dudes slamming into each other at high speed,

41:14

chasing a ball and that ball isn't even

41:17

round. You can't even predict the way it's

41:19

gonna bounce. So that's what happened in this

41:21

and then the Genius took over. It took

41:23

until OT to really let the Maestro sing

41:26

but ultimately it will happen and it did

41:28

happen. You know you talk about Kyle and that

41:30

Big Brain and his and his explanation

41:32

about why he played it like he did being

41:34

that we wanted to have the ball third. Third,

41:37

that's some real Big Brain stuff, right? Like

41:39

it's just I have held off on everything about

41:41

that because it's just like, all right, whatever. But

41:43

that was a really Big Brain explanation that he

41:45

had there to me where he messed up and

41:48

where I feel like Dan Campbell would have

41:50

handled that in a different way even if he

41:52

had taken the ball first, they

41:54

should have gone for it on fourth down when they were down there.

41:57

I Needed to operate on the presumption that my home's gonna walk this all

41:59

the way down. Like. That that would have been

42:01

to me. That. Was the move or

42:03

they messed up, they needed to guess. If you

42:05

decided you were going to go Pers: you need

42:08

to go get a touchdown Period. Ah, because. You.

42:10

Get. if you go second, you're doing it

42:12

so that you get as much information as

42:14

possible so that you know what you do

42:17

on the potential game winning one which they

42:19

had already answered and the Chiefs were ready

42:21

for. The Forty Niners reportedly did not have

42:23

a plan for that add did not go

42:25

for it on fourth down which to me

42:27

is kind of betraying the one thing you

42:29

think you have as an organization by the

42:31

way which is big Brain Kyle you got

42:33

big, Bring Kyle and a bunch of good

42:35

skill players. Little Go get it. Absolutely.

42:38

Let it go. Get it Because on the other

42:40

side you have to plan for your worst case

42:42

scenario. And if you're looking at okay with my

42:44

worst case scenario it's a touchdown and a two

42:46

point conversion. You. Know so.

42:49

You know I. You have to anticipate

42:51

that coming up on the other side in every way.

42:53

so you have to go for that fourth down. But

42:55

even that like when you go back to like when

42:57

you want the ball in this is that a hard

43:00

thing to go ahead sort of cell is like a

43:02

take my sir. It's not of take, it's not volatile,

43:04

but like. Bill. Barnwell as usual as

43:06

right. You're. Pretty much okay

43:08

with either way because the different this

43:10

is how you know it's a really

43:13

good rule of it's marginal. Like of

43:15

the rule itself does not necessarily affect

43:17

how you're going to play. The.

43:19

Entire second. Half a dozen alter what you're thinking

43:21

strategically. A whole lot. That's a good rule that's

43:23

doing things right. You don't want to rule where

43:25

you go. Ah well, we've made it so that

43:27

you know you have to do this one thing.

43:29

Know. They. Made a rule, Where.

43:32

You can play it a lot of different

43:34

ways and where there's advantages and disadvantages that

43:36

very nearly even each other out. For those

43:38

who are more quantifiable types, Ah,

43:40

The Nerds: You're gonna get more data of that.

43:42

But like at the outset, look at it theoretically.

43:45

If. you go either way i'm not matter shanahan

43:48

for that have way more mad at the

43:50

fourth down conversion because you know what's on

43:52

the other side i know analytics analytics help

43:54

you decide a lot of things you know

43:56

they don't do they don't take the measure

43:58

that other dude on the sideline and And

44:00

in a situation like that, you have to

44:02

consider there's the ghost of Patrick Mahomes just

44:05

looming right there. And he's

44:07

going to score. Well, I think the analytics thing that

44:09

you pointed to that is a big point that I

44:11

think often gets lost is it's kind of like when

44:13

you put in the GPS and it gives you four

44:15

different routes and you realize, oh, the difference in these

44:17

is like 90 seconds. Right?

44:20

Like, it's not necessarily that

44:22

big a difference just because

44:24

there is a difference. And

44:27

that's where I think people get it wrong. Yeah. Also,

44:30

it doesn't take into account who's driving. It

44:33

doesn't take into account how I'm going to feel about that,

44:35

whether I want to take the freeway or not. Right?

44:38

Whether the person behind me on this particular road

44:40

or ahead of me is especially dangerous. That's

44:43

one way to look at it. You know, if

44:45

Kyle got the GPS on this one and he looked

44:47

at the routes, he didn't consider what was in his

44:49

rear view. And that was a semi truck. Patrick

44:52

Mahomes. But no brakes. None. You

44:55

just needed seven, Hulme. Like I

44:57

just did everything you had going. My thing, and I think

44:59

I've talked to you about this on all overtime rules is

45:01

pretty simple. It's all time breaker, baby.

45:03

You should have wanted in regulation. There's nothing

45:05

you could tell me about an overtime rule that's really going

45:07

to make me care. If you could tell

45:10

me it's a coin flip to decide who wins the

45:12

whole damn game, I might be okay with that too.

45:14

You had your chance. If you own a house, you

45:16

need a good plumber. And

45:18

even if the plumber is weird, even if they're late, even

45:21

if they sometimes don't return your calls immediately, they're

45:24

going to save you when you have a

45:26

serious problem with some shit, like

45:28

literally and figuratively. That's a kicker. Kyle,

45:31

you have a great kicker and you need to make

45:33

sure your special teams are buttoned up because you know what the

45:35

difference between one really good NFL team and another one is? One

45:38

point. One point. And

45:40

you had that in the bag. You had that in the

45:42

bag and you missed it. Respect your

45:44

kickers. Respect the plumbers of the NFL

45:46

world. Okay. Because they ain't

45:48

pretty. Sometimes they're erratic, but you need them

45:50

or you will die. That's a pretty good way to

45:53

put it. That's my sermon. Listen, we

45:55

don't respect special teams enough because

45:57

you know what? Sometimes it's cool. And we watch

45:59

these like. create defensive struggles. We watch an offensive game where

46:01

I'm like, cool, we got 38 35 and everyone's firing

46:04

on all cylinders and this is awesome. And

46:06

then sometimes I got to watch people punt.

46:09

That's it. Sometimes I got to watch people punt and

46:12

I have to learn. I've learned to appreciate that deeply.

46:14

This is by the way, this was a game where the

46:16

kickers ball the hell out. Both kickers

46:18

hitting 50 yarders with ease. Do

46:21

you, I mean, that is something that we'd need to,

46:23

the, we're in a golden era. Yo, nobody talks about

46:25

this. A 50 yard field goal used to be an

46:27

occasion. Yeah. No, you used to get the family around

46:30

the TV for that. Be like, Oh, look at this.

46:32

Something's going to happen. Now it's like, I don't

46:34

know. Justin Tucker hits those every Wednesday in practice

46:37

with ease. He hits those every

46:39

weekend. Nothing, nothing. Now it's like

46:41

60 yarder. Yeah. We have,

46:43

we have experienced a boot boom in

46:46

the NFL and in college, like even in college,

46:48

by the way, like, like college kickers, that's a

46:50

cliche people do where they go ahead and talk

46:52

about how erratic college kickers are. Kickers line up

46:55

in college now. And they go from 50 with

46:58

no fear. And it's not

47:00

even weird. It's not even something that like defensive

47:03

perverts in the SEC do rather than go for

47:05

fourth and inches, you know? No, you can go

47:07

for that 50. You might

47:09

hit one last thing before we get out of

47:11

here. Cause I forgot this is something that we

47:14

could talk about. This is the first time we

47:16

convene since this happened. We've been telling people for

47:18

a very long time to get ready to find

47:20

out what Alabama really about as a college football

47:22

program. And now that time is here. And this

47:24

Kaitlyn DeBore who I got to be honest, sound

47:27

real South African to me. But anyway, they tell

47:29

me that he's not. And, uh,

47:31

he has won everywhere that he has been.

47:33

And if he wins at the rate that

47:35

he has won at every other place that

47:37

he has been, they going to string his

47:39

ass up. I want to thank you for being

47:41

one of the six people I know who, whenever

47:44

they hear Kaitlyn DeBore's name, they just hear diplomatic

47:46

immunity. Every

47:48

time from lethal weapon two, it's

47:50

just in my brain. Yes. No,

47:53

they, so they lost an offensive

47:55

coordinator to the Seattle

47:57

Seahawks. They lost. Frank

48:00

Grubb, who was DeBore's coordinator

48:02

at, uh, at

48:05

Washington prior to his hiring at Alabama,

48:07

they lost him, uh, by

48:09

the way, on the day, the transfer portal closed.

48:11

That's a neat trick. That's a neat trick portal

48:13

closes. And all of a sudden everyone's

48:16

locked in and the coordinator's like, peace. Got a

48:18

new gig. Hope you enjoy the new guy. Bye.

48:22

Um, thus far what's happened to Alabama is

48:24

that I think everything that happens when you have

48:26

a transition, you have people who are going to

48:28

transfer because, uh, they get better

48:30

deals elsewhere. This is how markets work. Hi,

48:33

everyone who's like, Ooh, it's so difficult for

48:35

coaches these days. No, it's, it's harder. It's

48:38

more complex. That's why they hire GMs. That's

48:41

why they're hiring all of this different

48:43

management to manage rosters. Cause ultimately that's

48:45

what you're going to get is an

48:47

entirely new administrative, uh, superstructure. If you

48:49

think it's been fun watching coaches fight

48:52

with presidents and athletic directors, just wait

48:54

until we get our first general manager

48:56

coach feud at the college level, cause

48:59

that's gonna happen. Wait for

49:01

it. We're going to get a bill

49:03

Parcells who wants to control the groceries and the

49:05

X's and O's and guess what folks, cause it's

49:08

college. They're not going to be good at it.

49:10

They're not going to be good at it at all.

49:12

You're going to find someone who is, but I guarantee

49:14

you there's going to be two or three that get

49:17

into some sort of massive feud with the suddenly powerful

49:19

general manager and talent, uh, evaluator who

49:21

is also in charge of the program. And it

49:23

doesn't like what the coach is doing. You're going

49:25

to get that. You're going to see people hire

49:27

that person over the coach. Right?

49:30

So I think what coaches are saying is

49:32

suddenly my value has been compromised by my

49:34

inability to do everything or make you think

49:36

I did everything. Cause that was never the

49:38

case whatsoever. As for Kaitlyn to board

49:40

Alabama, how's he going to do? I don't know. He's a

49:42

real good coach. He's also in charge

49:44

of Alabama where even a moron can win 10 games.

49:46

I say that because I've seen it happen. So

49:50

yeah, you're not going to be as good, but I

49:52

guarantee you that dude's going to pull off one 10 wins season. 10

49:55

wins. Isn't enough for you anymore. It might take

49:57

a couple of years, but, uh, We're

49:59

going to see it. Where. Does he pick it up?

50:01

Boosters an ally I think that's what what you are both

50:03

wait for for Britain to see. Can. You keep

50:05

all those rich folks who like to write checks in life.

50:08

Because they tend to get a bit bummed. Yes, When.

50:10

They don't win. Look we.

50:12

Talk about him in a tin. With these in there

50:14

will be a ten wins. the than a bit happened

50:16

within whereas around a bad boy and a real long

50:18

tough effect it hasn't even really been tested. They

50:21

have an ads he has really see how

50:23

they feel about in when seasons and really

50:25

come up. Hasn't happened since. The.

50:27

Or the first. Bite.

50:29

At the hasn't happened since the second Bush

50:32

Administration. The. Of you second

50:34

of your administration. That's how long it's

50:36

been. Spent. I believe two

50:38

thousand and seven. Was. The last

50:40

time that happened save it's first year

50:42

Swinney three and they went in in the

50:44

retail three games in a regular season

50:46

ability wings in games they. They.

50:49

Did. it was a crisis though. the last

50:51

three games in it was a crisis. He

50:53

was the greatest. It was a

50:55

crisis, but the thing they did to Kirk

50:57

Cousins and Michigan State in the Capital One

50:59

Bowl. Ah, Him in that was

51:01

the most lights it's big was like look we

51:03

moved in is just so you guys don't realize

51:05

that our Geico show that to someone about a

51:08

year of they tried to kill a man. That's

51:10

really what they tried to do that day by try

51:12

to kill Kirk. Cousins had very nearly succeeded. And

51:16

they have a lot one less than

51:18

ten games in a generation to generation

51:20

plus like this, people have never seen

51:22

that happen. So if it

51:24

does happen while could do little bit a learning

51:26

together that's all we're doing. A former put it's

51:28

gonna be a learning experience for all of us

51:30

watching to see how it cool you're gonna be

51:33

with this with a lot of Alabama fans and

51:35

they talk about this to their friends outside Alabama

51:37

was quite honestly not that many people but when

51:39

they do it have to stab you. The law

51:41

No no no no no no no no not

51:43

as warm and me to me by my not

51:45

another me that the minutes them even let me

51:47

finish Because when they complain about this eleven into

51:49

as good as our really ridiculous Reb limits limits

51:51

them he says he won't matter, it won't matter

51:53

because they. Don't have a gate on reality. They don't

51:55

have a gauge on what it's going to be like

51:57

at this comes at a time when if you're gonna

51:59

slip you. Go. You could flip a long way. right?

52:02

Even if you're Alabama because the calculus for

52:04

how to put together a roster. And

52:06

attract talent has changed dramatically. Even for Alabama,

52:09

it would change you for Nick Saban. Before.

52:12

He retired and I l matters more than

52:14

ever and some schools are handling it much

52:16

better than others. If you want to see

52:18

an example of a program that decided to

52:21

absolutely commit to the dosage, let me introduce

52:23

you to Ohio State University, a top tier

52:25

school that has decided we are never lose

52:27

the again. Ever. Were. Not

52:29

lose and will go Take your head coach who make

52:31

a our coordinator. Oh surely you

52:34

mean from a different like division or

52:36

different conference know they just took a

52:38

just as easily as head coach who

52:40

will happily he was he was look

52:42

at anyway. And. They said hey you wanna

52:44

be an o sea. Instead. Of be in

52:46

and eight see. In. The same conference

52:48

and he said that sounds awesome.

52:51

That's. The new realities y'all. He.

52:54

He in they. how could all of them. Would

52:56

you be so done with each other but not

52:58

have actually been done All they were done. Oh

53:00

it's you know something? And. If

53:02

I take notes by take notes to a know how to

53:04

quit. Quit. Like Chip Kelly to.

53:07

Do. That okay, Ever listen to this Okay, you

53:09

know what he did for like the past month

53:11

or two. As. Absolutely.

53:14

Nothing. He interviewed for jobs. he talked

53:16

to everybody. He was probably texted buddies

53:18

probably wanted cool tape right? He's like

53:20

wanted Patrick Patrick A have got the

53:22

we should probably do that. That's.

53:24

A cool who you can do for you feel

53:26

less know. I. Just out there

53:28

you go and look at their recruiting rankings right

53:30

now which is it usually to indicators how busy

53:33

the head coach that staff has been on. Indiana.

53:36

Is the only team. Below. Them. In

53:39

the Big Ten right now for that twenty twenty

53:41

five class. That's it. He goes Indiana who also

53:44

had a cook a who also at the sort

53:46

of had the excuse of coach turn over by

53:48

the way right they gotta do coats they went.

53:50

got to abuse had. So they

53:52

have at least some excuse for okay, we're on

53:54

the catch up. Know what changed jobs at U

53:56

C L A? know

53:59

if of prior to this No one, the

54:01

staff in place has one commit. One

54:05

in that class. Whereas, you know, like the upper tiers,

54:07

they've got like 11 commits, 9 commits, you know, they

54:09

at least work. One, by the

54:11

way, Indiana is behind them and they

54:13

have two commits. I don't know mathematically

54:15

how that's possible. Someone's

54:17

bringing negative value to the table, but yeah, two

54:19

commits and they're behind them. And

54:22

that, ladies and gentlemen, is Spencer Hall.

54:24

Check him out on channel six. Check

54:26

him out on Big Dumb Football, available

54:28

wherever you get fine YouTube videos like

54:30

this one. My man, I greatly appreciate

54:32

you. Yeah, thank you. Always a

54:35

pleasure. All right now, Sean, you got prize

54:37

picks for the people. I sure do, Bo.

54:39

Sticking with the NBA, I'll take Alex Caruso,

54:41

three and a half rebounds. I'll take more

54:43

there. Trey Young, 29 and

54:45

a half points. Let's go with more. Dejante

54:47

Murray, 12 rebounds and

54:49

assists. I'll go more there. And to the

54:51

YouTube commenter that says Sean has never taken

54:53

a less pick at

54:56

all. Why would I root for

54:58

less when I can root for more, Bo? I

55:00

had noticed that you don't do a lot of under

55:02

Sean. I had, I had

55:05

peep that you are, you are, you are always optimistic.

55:07

It's a good way to live life, I think. Well

55:09

played. Well played. But

55:11

ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining

55:14

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55:18

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