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1:02

good word with Vinnie Goodwill. And Vinnie,

1:04

you were in Denver. Did you like,

1:07

it looked like Minnesota had six people on the

1:09

floor in the game on Monday night. I ain't

1:11

seen a Saturday game, right? Like you hit me

1:14

up and talk about the air man. I ain't

1:16

get to watch that so much with my own

1:18

eyes. That Monday game, I don't

1:20

think I have ever seen an

1:22

NBA team play defense that effectively.

1:25

In like in a somewhat terrifying

1:27

fashion. You said six. I'm thinking

1:29

it was like seven or eight. Cause I know Jamal

1:31

Murray had to see about eight dudes. That dude was

1:33

so mad that the play, do you remember the play

1:36

he was trapped by Nikhil Alexander

1:38

Walker and Jay McDaniels. Like two dudes who

1:40

kind of profiled the same. They just longed

1:42

and lanky and he out there squirming and

1:44

screaming and all that. And they weren't following

1:47

him at all. They were just looking at

1:49

him like, hey man, we just not moving.

1:51

You're just not getting out of this. And

1:53

I know people have said, yo

1:55

man, the 2004 Pistons or whatever,

1:58

those dudes ain't have dudes like

2:00

this. going 94 feet. They

2:02

look, Nasri just picking up Yoke is 90 feet.

2:04

They're treating Yoke is like a defensively.

2:07

They're not waiting on him to meet

2:09

them up the floor. Like they are

2:11

pressuring them at every pressure

2:13

point on the floor that nothing

2:16

is easy. Nothing looks fluid. Like,

2:19

is this series over? I can't say that because

2:21

they still the champs on one side, right? And

2:23

I still do not. I believe

2:25

the Minnesota plays like boneheads. And so

2:27

there's always the possibility that bonehead behavior

2:30

is going to creep up, but they

2:32

ain't even had Rudy in that game.

2:34

It just seemed like what the

2:39

interesting thing about basketball, you

2:41

remember the teams or like the squads and

2:43

not even necessarily for one particular year, but

2:46

even if it is for a stretch of

2:48

time, we really remember the great offensive teams

2:50

that we think about. There aren't that many

2:52

teams that we really think about in the

2:54

context of man, their defense was just so

2:56

good. We got some that we think about

2:58

in the context of how physical their defense

3:00

was, right? The bad boy, for example, uh,

3:03

the Pat Riley Knicks are like basically just

3:05

all Pat Riley things we could think of.

3:07

There would be stretches with the 96 Bulls

3:10

when they were running that two, two, one, and you

3:12

just didn't understand why they didn't do that all game

3:14

long because they've been winning every game by 150 points

3:16

if they decided, but they,

3:18

I guess they decided they wanted to keep things

3:20

fair, but you don't have that many teams that

3:23

you just fully think of in the context of

3:25

what their defense is. They look like the 85

3:28

bears. Like when you watch football, you

3:30

know, Oh man, is that like they

3:32

play good defense. The temple walls look

3:34

like a defense, like a

3:36

unit, like I like an infantry. Dude. And

3:38

imagine this, they got one of

3:41

the smallest point guards and Mike Conley, you've

3:43

got Carl and he's a hundred years old and

3:46

a hundred years old and you've got Carl

3:48

towns who we both have not said the

3:50

kindest things about. And like, don't get me

3:53

wrong. There were a couple of plays

3:55

where Carl towns was beaten on yokich like Sheila

3:57

E was hitting the bongos. You know what I

3:59

mean? And they just wasn't

4:01

calling the foul. They weren't calling the

4:03

foul and I'm like, oh, okay, I

4:05

see what this is. They're just, he's

4:07

just getting away with something. They're

4:09

not going to get away with that in Game 3 in

4:11

Minnesota. It is made up, it is

4:13

set up for a really

4:16

emotional game. I think though, because

4:18

that home crowd hasn't seen them

4:20

since Game 2 of the

4:22

first round series, like they swept Phoenix, but they played

4:25

the last two. Right. He played

4:27

the first two in Denver. So you have, it

4:29

makes for a very emotional, I think, atmosphere, which

4:31

could also create this

4:34

like let down in a way,

4:36

because you've gotten these two games on

4:39

the road and now you have a

4:41

tendency to exhale, but the problem is,

4:44

do the champs have it? Like

4:46

that's the question that I wind up asking

4:48

myself when I ask you, is the series

4:50

over. It's not necessarily about Yo Kitch himself,

4:52

although he has played the two worst playoff

4:55

games I have ever seen that man play.

4:57

And they just happen to be back

4:59

to back in a way, even though the numbers

5:02

are the numbers, but they just don't look like

5:04

that he is interested or he

5:06

is engaged with the things right now. It's

5:08

almost like if everybody, like we make, we

5:10

used to make fun of like Yo Kitch

5:13

doesn't care, right? But

5:15

what happens when we need to see that

5:17

you care? So then everybody else jumps on

5:19

your back and follows that lead, because it

5:22

kind of looks like even

5:24

Yo Kitch was like, I ain't lose my composure.

5:26

Y'all need to ask you tomorrow Murray, why he

5:28

threw that hot thing on the floor. That wasn't

5:30

me. Like it seems like there's some level of

5:32

disconnect here and I'm very curious how it's going

5:35

to show up in game three. All right, so

5:37

let's put a pin in it when we talk

5:39

about champs, right? Because I want to get to

5:41

that and I think that that's a bigger topic.

5:43

But you went ahead and brought Carl up and

5:45

I don't want to lose sight of this because

5:48

anytime Carl walk into gum, I got a whole

5:50

bunch of people telling me, don't you see Carl,

5:52

right? I mean, I have offered the very explosive

5:55

line. I get this as well as a provocative.

5:57

Is that the word I'm looking for the Anthony

5:59

at. which might be asked to win

6:01

a championship while dragging around 14

6:04

feet of alleged sucker. Alleged.

6:07

We don't, I'm not willing to

6:10

convict Carl and Rudy of being

6:12

suckers, right? That whole pandemic

6:14

thing notwithstanding. I know Rudy didn't start

6:16

it, right? But he ain't stopping neither,

6:18

right? Like Rudy done a much, Rudy

6:21

did a much better job of

6:23

stopping penetration than he did of stopping the spread

6:25

of the bug when it was going around at

6:27

that time as some of you recall, right? But

6:29

Carl been hitting those shots and that's a big

6:31

thing with him, right? He's out there, he's hitting

6:33

buckets. But I mean, I also say this, Eric

6:36

Gordon has decided and there were moments where you saw

6:38

it that the game plan is gonna be to fluster

6:40

him, right? Like I do think that

6:43

they're gonna go harder on the fluster program and

6:45

then on defense, his problem

6:47

on defense is he's a retress, right?

6:50

He reaches a lot, he goes,

6:52

he makes, he makes a lot

6:54

of risky decisions, right? And in the course

6:56

of making a lot of those risky decisions,

6:58

he fouls a lot. Now, it seems to

7:00

be that what you're saying from having been

7:02

in the arena, the way he's guarding Yogage,

7:04

that's not a risky decision, that's a strategic

7:06

play, right? Like I'm just gonna hit him

7:08

as much and as hard as I can,

7:10

but he's reaching a lot and the rest

7:13

of the team, I don't know, at least

7:15

I saw this a lot in game two

7:17

on Yogage. They have decided like his handle

7:19

ain't that strong. He can handle

7:21

effectively to get to where he's going and

7:23

teams are afraid of sending a double at

7:25

him because they'll pass it out so quick,

7:27

but the Timberwolves, those turnovers, a lot of

7:29

that is them taking his rock. Like

7:32

he's putting the ball down to do whatever that move

7:34

is and he's so locked up in that and they

7:36

come in and get me. It is

7:38

amazing that we've been asking the question

7:40

for the past couple of years, Bo. How

7:42

do you solve this guy, right? This guy

7:44

feels inevitable and we're saying, yep, you know,

7:46

he's gonna beat you up, he can shoot

7:48

from everywhere on the floor, he can pass

7:50

from everywhere on the floor. There's no way

7:52

to stop him. And the Timberwolves have said,

7:54

hey, y'all, how about long arms? How about

7:56

we just be really active with him? And

7:58

that's where you see. the Jayden McDaniels and

8:01

Ant who's playing defense, who's strapping up and

8:03

being really concentrated on it. Like that's what

8:05

they're doing. I think going back to your

8:07

point about like the 92 Bulls

8:10

or the 96 Bulls, like this is

8:12

what these guys are doing. And

8:14

they know, and they know they're

8:16

not that deep on the other side. We're

8:19

going to be fresher than them because they're not going

8:21

to play Peyton Watson. They're not going to play Christian

8:23

Brown. They're playing holiday. You

8:26

know, they are playing holiday. That's not named

8:28

right. You know what I mean? Who

8:30

actually liked Justin Holiday a lot, but he's

8:32

not true. Holiday. You play Rachie Jackson, who's

8:34

105 years old, right? You know what I

8:36

mean? Like there is so much going on,

8:38

even from the standpoint of like roster construction,

8:40

like you give Denver the

8:42

benefit of the doubt because

8:44

they're the champs. Whenever you saw things through

8:46

the season, you're saying, you know what? At the

8:49

end of the day, they got a yokage

8:51

at the end of the day, if they're healthy

8:53

and they have yokage, they're going to be

8:55

fine. But what happens when you run against a

8:57

team that is built specifically to beat you,

9:00

we're going to beat you up top with

9:02

three guys who can defend you or

9:04

three bodies that we can throw in

9:06

front of you. Like Nasri ain't the

9:08

tallest dude, but Nasri don't scare. You

9:11

know what I mean? And I don't think,

9:13

I don't know, have you ever seen

9:15

anybody catch yokage's jumper or catch like

9:17

him close to the rim? Because

9:19

it seems like these dudes are catching

9:22

the jump hook. They're catching them when

9:24

he's leading on the shoulder and they're

9:26

making him think that extra beat. And

9:29

normally yokage is the guy that's making

9:31

you be indecisive defensively. Now it looks

9:33

like he's the guy that's indecisive offensively.

9:35

That is a accomplishment in itself to

9:38

me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's just, and

9:40

I said what I said about Carl and all that, but

9:42

in all fairness and everything else, what he is being, no

9:45

matter how you spin it is incredibly

9:47

and very aggressive. And I think that

9:49

that is what I would say about

9:51

everything that Minnesota is doing on defense

9:53

out there is they're really aggressive and

9:55

they seem to have the champs entirely

9:58

thrown off, right? Oh, but they're, He's

10:00

going to get two files in game three. I was going

10:02

to get two files in game three in the first minute.

10:04

But you who've marked my words on that one, honey, he's

10:06

going to go. He's going to make

10:08

you do. I'm telling you now, Bo,

10:11

he is going to do something that's

10:13

going to validate your entire belief on

10:15

Karl Townes. It may be in the

10:17

context of a win, right? But there's

10:19

going to be something that says like,

10:21

see, they go that seven foot a

10:23

sucker right there. Trust me. Just

10:26

wait. Just wait. Let's

10:29

see, though. He's been good. He's been good.

10:31

There's no way around that. And offensively, offensively,

10:33

he's been really good and he's hit no

10:35

shots. I mean, game two, I

10:37

don't sometimes the game is so

10:39

bad for a team that I don't know

10:42

what you take from it. Right. Like a

10:44

super blowout like that one. It's such an

10:46

outlier performance on both sides that I don't

10:48

know how much it is that we can

10:50

take forward. This is what I took out

10:52

of this from Denver, though. I feel like

10:54

I've been watching basketball a long time and

10:57

in a much more professional capacity for the

10:59

last 15 years, we'll call it. Right. Denver

11:01

looked like a team with something wrong with Paul. I

11:04

don't know what it might be. Nobody has

11:06

told me anything. But Jamal Murray doing what

11:09

he was doing. That was ridiculous. They should

11:11

have suspended him. I understand why they would

11:13

not have. But two different times, so stuff

11:15

on the floor from over there. Like it

11:18

wasn't even in a moment of frustration. Right.

11:20

Like, hey, look, look, look. And to be

11:22

fair, I think my

11:24

buddy Nick pointed this out first. Look

11:27

tough for Canada right now. You don't know. No,

11:30

no. He might

11:32

be losing sleep. He might be losing sleep.

11:34

Right. Like a lot of things is going

11:36

on right now with Team Canada. Maybe that's

11:38

what it is. But what he was doing,

11:40

just looking at their general level of just

11:42

kind of frustration when they're out there, I

11:44

know Murray's not 100 percent. I know the

11:46

Kentucky is called. Well, Pope is not 100

11:48

percent. But they look to

11:50

have no constitution and they look to be

11:52

getting bullied by a team full of adolescents.

11:55

And they just they seem so out of sync

11:57

with each other that it looked as much like.

12:00

chemistry. Mike Malone, when that call went bad,

12:02

running from off the bench all the way

12:04

to the other side of the floor, shockingly

12:06

not receiving a technical foul, but from the

12:08

top down, they look like everybody woke up

12:10

on the wrong side of the bed. People

12:13

still say that. Yeah, I think they

12:15

do. I think they still say that. I think,

12:18

you know, what's funny, Beau, and this is

12:20

where they can't, they're kind of tricky in

12:22

NBA history. This is not to take anything

12:24

away from. So don't don't jump in

12:26

the hives, right? But they didn't play

12:28

a 50 win team at all last year in

12:31

their run to the finals. They played or

12:33

the seven seat Lakers or six seat Lakers

12:35

and a seven seat, you know what I

12:37

mean? Like, not to say that things broke

12:39

easy for them, but they didn't

12:41

have the hardest role. They didn't have to face

12:44

real adversity. They had a tie series one

12:46

time. I mean, a real tie series like that

12:48

Phoenix thing, right? You just saw two games of

12:50

incredible shot making that you knew was not

12:52

going to be sustainable in the semifinals and then

12:54

against the heat in the finals. They lose game

12:57

two and then they go in and smack

12:59

them in games three and four. This

13:01

is real adversity, right? And

13:03

normally championship teams. Once

13:06

you win a championship and this is I know

13:08

this ain't the same NBA that me and you

13:10

grew up watching, right? But

13:12

the Houston Rockets of the key, Malaysia, one,

13:15

they were called choke city before they was

13:17

called clutch city, right? They had to come

13:19

down from a two old deficit to the

13:21

Phoenix on dropping two games at home in

13:24

their first championship run. Not

13:26

the second one where they came down three

13:28

one, but the first one we all know

13:30

what happened with the bad boy Pistons and

13:32

the Bulls and the Celtics and all those

13:35

you had to face a certain amount of

13:37

adversity before becoming a champion. So then that

13:39

made you want to hold onto it that

13:41

much more desperate. This team,

13:44

once they got hold, they want a

13:46

title. Where was the struggle? The

13:48

struggle was getting Jamal Murray and Michael Porter jr.

13:50

On the floor. So now

13:52

they don't have a reservoir to pull

13:54

from where they say, hey guys, remember

13:57

when we had to struggle as a

13:59

unit again? the Golden State Warriors. Yeah,

14:02

coach, but I was hurt. Yeah,

14:04

coach, but I wasn't out there. Like you

14:06

can't pull that remember the Titan speech and

14:08

say, Hey, we've, we've bled before. This

14:11

is the first time that they're bleeding. And

14:13

I think that's the frustration there. They don't

14:15

know how to deal with real adversity because

14:18

they've never done it before. They

14:20

better figure that shit out fast. Because them

14:22

boys on the other side, they, they, them

14:24

boys done figured something out. Okay. Like they,

14:26

they have something going over there. And of

14:28

course this the rise of the ant man.

14:30

Have you seen this clip here yet about

14:32

somebody asking him about the, uh, the, the

14:34

Nuggets roster? Have you seen this yet? And

14:36

you talked in that Phoenix series a lot

14:39

about the way you saw Kevin and

14:41

how that motivated you. And at

14:43

your age, you've gotta be fun to see all these

14:45

OGs right in front of you. Is there anything like

14:47

that in this series? Like what's

14:49

your, these guys, three, four years older than

14:51

me. Yeah. I mean, Jamal been

14:54

around for a minute. Is that a guy that you've been tracking

14:56

at all? All right. Hell nah.

14:58

Like I said, he, what is he 27? I'm going to

15:01

turn 23 dog. Yeah. KD

15:04

36, 35. Yeah. Come on, man. There's

15:06

no disrespect to Jamal. I don't know

15:08

what you're trying to start, but he

15:10

no, not at all. Hell nah. Like

15:13

that, that he found the question to

15:15

be so preposterous that he could only

15:17

assume that it was a setup. I

15:20

wasn't there, but I heard about it. And

15:22

I think it partially stems from, believe

15:25

it or not, he might be tired of getting

15:27

asked about these old dudes. You know

15:29

what I mean? Like I know what's going through this thing

15:32

where aunt is the new guy and all the

15:34

things that the new guy does, we're going to

15:36

find cutly and cute. Kind of like we did

15:38

with Golden State when they were dancing all on

15:40

everybody. And then the next year we didn't like

15:42

all that dancing shit that they was doing. You

15:44

know what I mean? Right. That's where it is.

15:46

Like we don't think about

15:48

the term coming with Anthony Edwards. We

15:50

don't think that he may get tired of our

15:52

shit in such a way, but he's

15:54

also looking at these dudes like who

15:57

are y'all to aspire to? Like

16:00

they just, they want to title. Who

16:02

y'all, you know what I mean? Yeah. But he's like,

16:04

they don't have OGs and at least by the way,

16:07

to a very interesting point, and I saw it, I

16:09

went and counted up myself and then I saw somebody,

16:11

this was a scary moment where I went and was

16:13

counting it up myself. And then I went on Instagram

16:15

and it told me there

16:17

are a mirror between these 18 that are

16:20

left, a mere six starters

16:22

over 30. And

16:25

the only one of them that's like

16:27

old is Mike common. The

16:31

other five are Rudy go bear, who I think is 31

16:33

or 32. Um,

16:36

Pascal Siakam who is 30 or

16:38

drew holiday who's 33. He

16:40

feel old shit. I ain't go a lot. Um,

16:44

uh, who'd carry Irving who honestly

16:46

is only 32. Is

16:49

that a young 32 or it just feels like

16:51

cause he's been through so much. I don't seen so

16:53

much of him that he should be older. Is

16:56

that what that is? Well, yeah. And the, you

16:58

know, the thing about like his 32 is

17:00

you got to remember 32 that ain't really played in a

17:02

whole lot of games, right? Like, you know,

17:05

he's, but, but I was, but eight 32 who's been,

17:07

and he looked, he's

17:09

done it this year. Like he's been, he's been

17:11

kind of hate approved this year, but I can

17:13

tell you it's called well, Pope is another other thirties

17:15

and I have forgotten, uh, who the other

17:17

one was, but that's the end of the Minnesota got the vets. Well,

17:20

here's the other thing, Bo. Like

17:23

five champions in the last five years. Is that what it

17:25

is? And no

17:27

repeats. We haven't seen that

17:29

since the seventies, like the

17:31

pre magic, the pre-bird seventies.

17:34

Like we're in a spot. And I talked to Conley

17:36

a little bit about this. I act cause I noticed

17:38

the same stat and I asked

17:40

him like, Hey, have you seen that? He

17:42

said, yeah, man, I saw it on Instagram.

17:45

Makes me feel kind of old. But he

17:47

also said, Hey, it means that teams ain't

17:49

having to wait. You are,

17:52

you're not having to go through

17:54

like losing after losing. If you

17:56

see that you've got a chance,

17:58

these young dudes are so. much

18:00

more ready and more prepared to

18:02

take this next step. Think about

18:04

Anthony Edwards and the way that

18:06

we talk about him, right? 22

18:09

years old and we

18:11

put the Jordan comparison on him because of the

18:13

level of sophistication on his game. We ain't talking

18:15

about 22 year old Michael Jordan. We're talking about

18:17

maybe 25 year old Michael Jordan.

18:19

You're talking about 1989, 1990,

18:22

you know, where that fade away was wet,

18:24

but it wasn't as wet as it was.

18:27

Like he's bigger than Jordan was at

18:29

25 years old, like just, you know,

18:31

bigger Husky or all that type of

18:33

stuff. Like some teams come into this

18:35

league more prepared to win

18:38

once they figure out they got a

18:40

chance because Bo, who are these teams

18:42

supposed to be afraid of in a

18:44

second tax apron world where you're not

18:46

building dynasties and you're not sustaining dynasties.

18:48

There's no Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors

18:50

that you need to be afraid of.

18:52

So once they see they can go

18:54

and get it, they're going and

18:56

getting it. Yeah. And I

18:58

was like, look around, you know, me, I'm here

19:00

for getting all these old, these old times out

19:02

of here, right? As a fairly old time of

19:04

myself, I recognize that certain measure hypocrisy, but also

19:06

recognize you look around, whatever your game is and

19:08

you realize the top of somebody else to go.

19:10

Right. And so these guys like, um, Kendrick Perkins

19:12

got ESPN and said, LeBron, you're retired. And I

19:14

mean, I've been saying this for years, you know

19:16

what I'm saying? Like, I feel like the OG

19:18

of this hot take that I'm offering. And it's

19:21

not because he's not good enough to play. I'm

19:23

just ready for it to go on. Like, I

19:25

don't know about you, but I got some of

19:27

my favorite groups that I ain't listened to none. They

19:29

may be my favorites, but I ain't listening to the albums

19:31

for 20 something years. That is don't feel like listening to

19:33

the albums no more, but they still, you know, they still

19:35

be, but I'm not, I don't feel like

19:37

checking for and they can still be good. Like they

19:39

can still be putting out good stuff. I don't feel

19:41

like checking for trying to get these old, like these

19:43

old cats. It's time to go. Like it's time. We're

19:45

not, they're not, they're not supposed to be here for

19:47

as long as they've been here. I mean, well, time

19:50

to think about this. Oh yeah. Listen to

19:52

music college. Like every now and then it

19:54

pops back up. But think about this. Paul

19:56

George is as close to the championship as

19:58

he was. years ago and basically

20:01

in the same position on that as he

20:03

was 11 years ago. Y'all

20:05

ain't tired of that. Here's the problem, Bo. And

20:08

it's going to become even a greater problem. I

20:10

was talking to somebody about this before game two,

20:13

the new TV deal that's coming in and

20:15

the NBA is going to get all of that

20:17

money, all that $75 billion that we

20:19

thought was completely unrealistic, right?

20:21

Half of that money going to the players.

20:24

And it doesn't mean that that money is

20:27

going to the rookies. It's going to the

20:29

old dudes. It's going to the dudes that

20:31

if you stick around long enough, you're going

20:33

to make $70 million. Why

20:36

should I retire if I can make 70, if

20:39

someone's going to pay me, oh yeah, $70

20:42

million, but you're right. All those

20:44

dudes are sneaky old. Paul George

20:46

is old. Hardness old. Kawhi's body

20:48

is old. Like we're looking

20:50

at it at a stage where we're saying

20:52

player X is in year 16 and we're

20:55

not even blinking about that shit no more. It's

20:57

just becoming normalized. We're saying, oh man,

21:00

he getting close to the end. Man,

21:02

year 16 is the end or should

21:04

be, but it ain't. But I'm saying

21:07

this, they keep on playing, right? Let

21:09

them keep on playing. But I like

21:11

the fact that at this stage of

21:14

the season, right? The showcase

21:16

is now about these young dudes. Cause this

21:18

is the time that makes everybody look at

21:20

them. This is the time where the league

21:22

and its media partners can not just lean

21:24

on the same old same old cause they

21:26

think that's what's going to get people to

21:28

watch. No, everybody now, if you care even

21:30

a little bit about basketball, I don't mean

21:32

a lot, I don't mean if you were

21:34

a fan, a casual, whatever it is, but

21:36

care just a little bit now

21:38

you're going to meet Anthony Edwards, for example,

21:41

right? Now you go get a chance. I

21:43

mean the champs, the champs started doing much

21:45

better TV ratings after last year. People got a

21:47

chance to get a look at them, right? You can't

21:49

run from it anymore. Looking at what's going on in

21:51

the East. Like I think it's going to be a

21:54

big thing for them that the fact that the big

21:56

cities in the East outside of poor DC, you know

21:58

what I'm saying? They got. And they

22:00

all got something humming. Philly got something

22:02

humming. DC got something going. Boston got

22:05

something going, right? Like this

22:07

is the time for this league to like,

22:09

for there to be new life into it.

22:11

Cause I don't think it's, I do think

22:13

that some of the struggling metrics that they're

22:15

dealing with might have to do with the

22:17

fact that some of the stuff they've been

22:19

doing done got kind of stale. Cause it's

22:21

not supposed to be the same dudes in

22:23

here for all this time. Now the new

22:26

dudes are here, right? Now the Ant-Man is

22:28

out here upfront. I think this

22:30

is the best thing that can happen. Hey, look,

22:32

Luca Dodges, it's a lot of people that are

22:34

aware of, probably ain't really got good eyeballs on

22:36

them. What's going on in Oklahoma city? Like we

22:38

gonna get more to that in the rest of

22:40

the pod, but there are only

22:42

six starters over 30. And it felt

22:44

like that year the Lakers won the championship. They had six

22:46

starters over 30. Man, look, this

22:50

is something that I thought about for the past

22:52

couple of years. We've been talking about

22:54

this. You didn't really

22:56

get a chance to see the magic and bird

22:58

transition to the next generation, the way that you

23:01

wanted to see it. Like Burridge back, magic, HIV,

23:03

Mike taking it over. Right? You kind of got

23:05

to see it a little bit with the 91

23:07

finals, but that really wasn't it, right? It was

23:09

the closest you could get. Mike

23:12

retired before somebody could take it from him. We

23:14

never saw anybody really take it from him. This

23:16

is the first time in

23:18

a long time that you're gonna actually

23:20

be able to see Anthony

23:22

Edwards taking it from Katie and

23:25

see Shay Gilges Alexander and all those guys

23:28

taking it from Steph and taking it

23:30

from LeBron. I think it's a beautiful

23:32

way to tell stories. It's

23:34

the mythology that the NBA leans in

23:36

on, but doesn't go out of its

23:38

way to create. It's the most amazing

23:40

thing in the world to me, Bomani,

23:42

is that they look at their league

23:45

and say, you know what, we got

23:47

all this rich history and look

23:49

at what we've done, but they don't try

23:51

to apply any of that into the league

23:53

of current day. They don't try to apply

23:55

any of that and say, well, 15 years

23:57

from now, this is what we'll be talking

23:59

about. about. They're still saying 15 years from now,

24:01

we still gonna be playing songs in the key

24:04

of life, which don't get me wrong. I'm still

24:06

playing songs in the key of life. But can

24:08

you make me a new one? Can

24:10

you can you make me a new

24:12

classic? Right now? Let me ask you this.

24:16

Did LeBron take the league from Kobe?

24:18

You have to ask me, did Kobe

24:21

have to leave? And see, that's

24:23

what that's what I was thinking about. Right?

24:25

Because and this is a very Colorado based

24:28

point also, right? Like what the way that we

24:30

viewed Kobe had a lot to do with that

24:32

or whatever. But it feels like there

24:34

was a little time with the league was in no

24:36

man's land. We say we want Matt Kobe one of

24:38

those back to back championships in 2009, 2010, went to

24:40

the finals three straight years. He it's

24:42

hard to argue on one hand that it

24:45

wasn't his league. But on the other hand,

24:47

to me, the best player in the NBA

24:49

in that run without question was LeBron James.

24:51

But by the time LeBron got the ring,

24:54

right that he needed to be that dude,

24:56

he had had to melt down in 2011.

24:58

Like the Lakers, the Lakers who had their

25:00

own meltdown in 2011, when Dallas sent them

25:03

out of there and Andrew Bynum, who did

25:05

he do that to JJ Borrell? He knocked

25:07

him out the sky. Remember that? He thought

25:09

about he thought about Andrew Bynum forever. Have

25:12

you have no idea the last time

25:14

you thought about that dude. Last time I

25:16

saw Andrew Bynum, it was a picture of

25:18

him with blonde hair. And

25:20

I want to say it was a tall can

25:22

like Corona, Modello or something like that at a

25:24

basketball game. I have no idea what Ed, you

25:26

bottom is doing right now. But anyway, the Lakers

25:29

had fallen apart. They fired Phil Jackson, but the

25:31

broad didn't complete the assignment that year. And so

25:33

what was it? Dirks league? No, I don't think

25:35

we would say that. Right. No,

25:37

I mean, we would have seen it in

25:40

2000. I'd like the craziest thing is

25:42

that when Kobe won his MVP, I think that

25:44

was a weight and they went to

25:46

the finals. Holy. Hmm.

25:48

Right. That was, yeah. Oh, wait, right. He won

25:50

MVP and always is always. Yeah. But it was

25:52

a, it didn't even feel like the best version

25:55

of Kobe. It felt like Kobe got his Academy

25:57

award like five years after the best version of

25:59

himself. not not that he didn't deserve

26:01

it that year or that he deserved it

26:03

other year. He didn't deserve it. He

26:05

didn't deserve it. We we we're not we're not

26:08

giving that we're not giving out a word to

26:10

Chris Paul, Bomani. We're not giving out a word

26:12

to Chris Paul. That's not

26:14

what we are doing here. We're

26:18

not doing that. You

26:20

refuse. You refuse. Nope. Nope.

26:22

We're not doing that. Look,

26:26

look, absolutely. Chris Paul was so good that

26:28

year. He was so good that year. You

26:30

know what happened? You know what it was?

26:33

You know what? Chris Paul was so good

26:35

that year. It didn't get knocked out

26:37

in the second round, which will pretty much fall in

26:39

line with every MVP we've had since 2016. So

26:43

maybe he could have got it. You

26:45

know what I mean? Maybe he could have got it.

26:47

You know who else is really good that year? Kevin

26:49

Gardette. You know who else is really good that year?

26:51

LeBron J. That was a really stacked year because that

26:53

was the year if I'm not mistaken that every like

26:56

everybody in the west was in like a game lead

26:58

each other. One through eight. It was really like everybody

27:00

won 50 games. It was 2001 was

27:02

a really was a really in the crates and

27:04

going in the crates. 2001 was the year that

27:06

seven teams I think had 50 wins or more

27:09

and that was the Allen Iverson MVP year

27:11

and that was the year that the Lakers

27:13

ran through everybody and all those teams had

27:15

50 wins and the Lakers ran through them,

27:17

which I think 2001 is the best version

27:19

of Kobe Bryant that we've ever seen. But

27:21

you know we you know that sort of

27:23

thing. Over look overrated old Kobe, underrated

27:26

young Kobe. One day we will have that level

27:28

of discussion right? You know what I mean? Like

27:30

like 22, 23, 24

27:33

year old Kobe. The older Kobe was kind of he

27:36

was doing it. You know what I mean? Like

27:38

like you look at that Laker team. Yeah. Which is not

27:40

did you think about it? Not did I think about this.

27:43

Now follow me here. Do

27:45

you see similarities between this

27:47

Minnesota team and

27:50

that Laker team where

27:52

you got the bigs? Right? Hold

27:55

on that. That like Nasri. Hold on. Hold on.

27:57

Stop you there. I'm gonna stop

28:00

you there because that is the perfect place

28:02

for us to go, sell these advertisements and

28:04

come back and address that question.

28:06

See that's pro chip right there boy I feel

28:08

like oh that's a when we come back moment.

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All right, Vinny. You made a very

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interesting comparison here between the current

33:19

Minnesota Timberwolves and the second, the repeat

33:22

Kobe Lakers. Not to be confused with

33:24

the three-peat Kobe Lakers. And I had

33:26

not thought about that because that's the

33:29

differentiating factor with those Lakers. Part of

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it was Kobe Bryant. The big part

33:33

of it was three elite players, six

33:35

foot 10 or above. Now, what makes

33:38

this interesting to me in comparison with

33:40

the Lake, I mean, the Timberwolves is

33:43

their guys are bigger than all

33:45

three of those Lakers

33:47

guys. Now, I don't know if

33:49

any of the Minnesota three are

33:52

as good offensively as Palakasal. And don't get

33:54

me started on this, you Carl people, right?

33:56

Like I get it. He shoots them threes.

34:00

was a different animal, right? I'm not sure

34:02

either of them there. Neither of the Lakers

34:04

guys like Andrew Biden is not Rudy go

34:06

bear when it comes to defense. But Nasri

34:08

you watch it more than me. The

34:10

interesting thing about those Lakers was Lamar Odom who was

34:12

just one of those guys that we're going to be.

34:16

They don't really make them like this in the sense that

34:18

we're going to be explaining to you this Lamar Odom thing

34:20

for a long time. Even if there are no numbers that

34:22

can explain to you that no, no, no, no, no, they

34:24

only made a couple of those boy. Like

34:26

Nasri isn't that guy, but damn, if he ain't

34:29

as effective. Yeah, I think he's

34:31

just reflective of the game that we play today.

34:33

You know what I mean? Like in the league

34:35

that we were in in 2009 and 10, Lamar

34:38

Odom was most more like you say, so

34:40

you say valuable, like in terms of like

34:42

the way that we switched pick and rolls

34:44

then the way that we valued size

34:46

back then because of where the game

34:49

was being played. Like the game

34:51

now is being played a lot of times more 18 feet

34:53

now. Back then the game

34:55

was being played a lot more. Can

34:57

you get to the basket as quick

34:59

as possible? And then what happens when

35:02

you get there? That's what makes a

35:04

guy like Lamar Odom super, super valuable

35:06

back then because he was miscast. What's

35:08

that? What's that? What's that? What's that?

35:10

And he's a six 10 point guard,

35:12

a legitimate point guard and six foot

35:14

tip. Yeah. And remember

35:16

for a couple of years, they had tried

35:18

that Lamar Odom at Scotty Pippen type of

35:20

thing and it didn't really work. And

35:23

then once you get guys better than

35:26

him, he was fully actualized. Now I

35:28

have a question about the Ant-Man for you because I thought

35:31

about this and then I saw it on Twitter from

35:33

our buddy Nate Jones the other day.

35:37

When Ant-Man is in a press conference, I

35:39

see the sort of things that people

35:41

say about Michael Jordan, right? But

35:44

I see him being a little bit

35:46

more magic than I see Michael.

35:49

Cause if Michael's sitting there with Carl Townes and they

35:51

talking about Carl Townes being in foul trouble, you think

35:53

Michael Jordan up there cracking jokes? Right.

35:56

Right. He's so There's

36:00

that part, right? Like I can't imagine what Michael

36:02

Jordan, maybe, I mean, we saw how you thought

36:04

Scott Burrell, right? Like we, we, we, we might

36:06

have a hands up. Like, like, like what it

36:08

would be with Mike. I think

36:10

in the press conferences, he

36:13

is not one

36:15

young fresh out of UGA,

36:18

Anthony Edwards was a bit more exuberant with

36:21

the media. He's more measured now, which brings

36:23

us into that Mike direction. Mike is smoother

36:25

with it, right? It is much more obvious

36:27

that Anthony Edwards is stopping himself from really

36:29

saying what's on his mind, even if he

36:32

finds a good way to say what it

36:34

is. But Michael Jordan is not going to

36:36

have that hell naw moment that Edwards

36:40

had that we played a little bit earlier. He just

36:42

not going to do that. But he's that guy now,

36:44

man. Like, like he is, he's way

36:47

more ready for that level of stuff

36:49

than I thought that he would be.

36:53

And as this goes, as this goes farther,

36:55

we don't see, but I want to switch

36:57

up a little bit. Cause I think I'm

36:59

here in New York, that Pacers

37:01

Knicks game, like that had the emotions

37:03

of old school Pacers Knicks. I can't

37:05

imagine what it's like up in that

37:07

building right now. I

37:10

can't like, do I feel like

37:12

a bad person? Should I feel like a bad person

37:14

in that? I don't care how many times they'll and

37:16

brothers to come up here and put up a 40

37:18

burger. I'm like, yeah, but there are limitations to having

37:21

a player that size V your guy, but they do

37:23

it. Look, they got a five foot 11 dude that's

37:25

out here putting up 40 points a night and they

37:27

got a shooting guard that's out here getting 12 boards

37:29

a night. What are they doing? Like

37:32

I was thinking about this. Hey, they're

37:34

going to round the bodies. I don't know if

37:36

they're going to win this series, mind you. Okay.

37:38

Cause Mitchell Robinson is out, which means that's one

37:41

less guy for top. They'll be able to run

37:43

into the ground, which means you're going to run

37:45

Jalen Brunson out there even more. Right? Think about

37:47

this. No, I was thinking about

37:49

this earlier. Luca had a

37:51

36 usage this year. He looks

37:53

rundown. Yannis had a 33

37:55

usage. Didn't even make it to

37:57

the playoffs, right? Another year. where

38:00

Giannis has gotten beaten down, even though

38:02

he still looks like Superman, right? Jalen

38:05

Brunson. Sneaky year 11, sneaky

38:07

year 11. Yep. And

38:10

turning 30, right? Which

38:12

means we've probably seen the best of

38:14

Giannis through his career. Like some things may be refined,

38:17

but we've seen the best of him. Jalen

38:19

Brunson has a 30 to 5 usage. You

38:22

can't tell me that

38:24

that's sustainable, that that's optimal,

38:27

or that's even reflective of how

38:29

good Jalen Brunson is. I think

38:31

we can say with all honesty

38:33

that Jalen Brunson is doing it.

38:36

He's playing well, but he's

38:38

playing his numbers are better than he

38:40

is. Right? Can we say

38:42

that? Because you're saying 40 points in four straight

38:44

games. Last time somebody did that was Michael Jordan.

38:47

Come on y'all. Like, like, like, I

38:49

know it's New York. I know it's the Knicks. I

38:51

know we are hyped and excited. Like I want to

38:53

be in New York during the finals. You know what

38:56

I mean? To be there, but I don't think the

38:58

Knicks will be there because they ain't going to have

39:00

no healthy bodies. And if they do get there,

39:02

I feel you. What's up? What's

39:05

that? There's a buck coming. I

39:07

think there's a buck coming. No, I'm just saying. Oh,

39:09

no, I'm just saying. Did

39:11

you notice that Jalen's got a little bit of

39:13

lemon booty in him? A little bit of tight

39:15

cheek. Yeah, I will say I was going to

39:17

say for the people who are unaware of the

39:19

terminology, it was probably better for you to say

39:21

a little bit of little bit of a little

39:23

bit of a little lemon booty. I think might

39:26

have people people could have got the message a

39:28

little unclear. You know, lemon booty is when that

39:30

booty be like, you know

39:32

what I'm saying? Like that thing be like

39:34

a drum, you know, like, like he

39:36

does seem to have like a tad bit of it.

39:39

The point that I was going to make is

39:41

that kind of talk you got right there. That's

39:43

why them little dudes ain't never satisfied, man. The

39:45

little dudes feel like no matter what they do,

39:47

you're just going to treat them like they five,

39:49

ten. And you know what? That's exactly what's going

39:51

on. Right. You know, like I

39:53

guess no. Five ten is five

39:55

ten. I want to be careful here because

39:57

I'm not talking about you real life five to people.

40:00

That's not what I'm talking about. But NBA

40:02

5-10 is kind of like 5-7 on the

40:04

streets You know and

40:07

5-7 on the streets is in a constant fight for

40:09

credibility And they just be trying to achieve their way

40:11

out of it. And if they can't achieve their way

40:13

out of it I guess they don't have to fight

40:15

somebody. That's the way that they see that. That's why

40:17

they always ready You know what I'm saying? Like I

40:19

don't have a leprechaun accent But that's why that's you

40:22

know That's that's exactly it 5 foot 7 might as

40:24

well be on the middle of the floor in Boston

40:26

or is that no today? Where the poop up right?

40:29

That's what they be doing. Yeah, that's not a

40:31

dang. But I'm just that's right. That's right Boston

40:33

They little homie just spinning the ball on his

40:35

finger, right? Right like the Notre

40:38

Dame dude is offended that the leprechaun

40:40

is presenting stereotypes and the leprechaun is

40:42

telling the dude That's why everybody always

40:44

thinks we fight all the time. But

40:46

anyway they just

40:48

like They can't never get

40:51

over this man putting a 40 points at night now.

40:53

We talk about his wedding night Do

40:55

you know that's it? I don't feel like the only

40:57

person that's agreeing with us is probably all hurt as

40:59

Julius Randall Julius Randall over there. That's what I'm saying.

41:01

That's why I need to be me We

41:04

ain't going that far, you know, I mean like it put

41:06

like this It's the weirdest thing

41:09

if you think of Jalen Brunson as a

41:11

post player He

41:13

makes all the sense in the world now if

41:15

he's if you look at him like a post play with the footwork

41:18

Him dipping that shoulder and all that stuff

41:20

He's just doing it from 20 feet out

41:22

and he's doing it. Honestly. Yes pretty

41:25

damn efficiently Which I'm really surprised that

41:27

he's playing that many minutes and

41:29

he's still able to execute with some level

41:32

of Efficiency like he

41:34

doesn't take bad shots. He's just

41:36

taking all the shots Like

41:38

this is not Alan Iverson in 2001 who's

41:40

just running around the floor and

41:42

they catching off a pin down He's bringing

41:44

the ball up the floor Bo

41:47

I'm surprised that is at his level of stamina more

41:49

than I'm surprised that his level of production You

41:52

know what? I mean, but I am curious Yeah,

41:54

if this is going to work as

41:56

long as this series goes on because you can't

41:58

keep playing Josh Hart for 48 minutes and

42:00

you can't keep playing now. You got to play our boy

42:03

Hartenstein. You got to play him 48 minutes a night

42:06

I don't know. Yeah, I don't

42:08

know if he built for that I don't know

42:10

if something you know, some of these dudes ain't

42:12

you know inclined to be playing 48 minutes a

42:15

night You know what I mean? Yep. No,

42:17

that's fair. We're gonna see and I mean for what

42:19

it's worth though They play and they're not so much

42:21

getting hurt The guys don't seem to have a problem

42:23

with it Like they don't maybe this because so many

42:25

of those guys are so young right? Like maybe that's

42:27

part of why this strategy is working as it is.

42:30

I'm gonna tell you this though They

42:32

ain't winning nothing this year But

42:35

given the Indiana is missing a couple dudes,

42:37

right? Like what's his name buddy? No with

42:40

the Arizona Benedict

42:42

I can never say his last night. Yeah, yeah,

42:44

they gonna be a Problem

42:48

dog they gonna be a problem Like we're

42:50

gonna have some questions about whether Halliburton has

42:53

a game that transfers itself well to the

42:55

postseason He's hurt in a way that makes

42:57

it hard to tell but they they got

42:59

something going there that I don't feel like

43:01

we really Pay proper attention to you think

43:03

they finally gonna stop trying to trade miles Turner

43:06

No, you think they gonna leave they gonna let him get off

43:09

the trade block and come home. Nah Not

43:11

that he's still gonna be perpetually discussed

43:13

in such a way But Beau can

43:16

we can we for a minute for

43:18

a minute? discuss Some

43:21

of our shall we say brethren who

43:23

have not gotten the credit for their

43:25

natural Talent and abilities right,

43:27

you know, I'm talking about these dudes

43:30

have been under the radar Stars

43:32

that we just we just not have

43:34

given them their credit, right? You know,

43:36

I'm talking about ball Some

43:39

about TJ McConnell and Peyton Peyton Pritchard. Yeah These

43:45

dudes are so naturally Gifted

43:48

we don't we just they just fall out of bed

43:50

and be good at basketball Why

43:52

are we not giving these dudes credit? First

43:55

of all, do you know how old Peyton Pritchard? I

43:57

mean not Peyton Pritchard how old TJ McConnell is She

44:00

got to be like 32. I'm 32. I

44:02

looked it up today when I was checking the rest of the

44:04

league and T.J. McConnell is 32. And

44:06

let me tell you something, right? T.J. McConnell

44:08

being 32. That's kind of

44:11

like when them cast and rappers be getting up

44:13

and winning. They said I'd be dead by 25.

44:16

Right. I cannot believe this man is

44:18

somehow still in the NBA at 32

44:20

years old. He is

44:22

for all that that noise that they were

44:24

talking about the process and how they were

44:26

going through the bargain bin and just they

44:28

were maybe finding NBA players, the only

44:31

two that they really got out

44:33

of the bargain bin from Robert

44:35

Covington and T.J. McConnell. Those

44:37

were the two. And Robert Covington is

44:39

no longer a relevant NBA player. Somehow

44:43

T.J. McConnell is. Did

44:46

they get Jeremy Grant? Do we

44:48

count him? Was he a bargain binner, though?

44:50

Right. Like I don't I don't feel like Christian

44:52

Wood was what a Christian Wood turned out where

44:54

he was drafted. Yeah. But Christian Wood turned out

44:56

to be OK, but they didn't do anything with

44:58

him. They can't claim no credit for that. You

45:00

know. No, no.

45:03

Jeremy Graham, Jeremy Graham, by the way, was picked 39. We

45:06

don't expect much out of 39. No, we

45:08

don't. And apparently music is the six because he was

45:10

out of there before they started playing. Well, they

45:12

don't think all the bargain bidders they found, they

45:15

really keep except for McConnell. And you know why

45:17

they did that. There you

45:19

go. There you go. There you go. T.J. You want

45:21

to take a picture about a rocky statue? Like, that's

45:23

why they let him stick around. So

45:26

is it time? Should we

45:28

call Pablo, our buddy

45:30

Pablo Torre, and ask him

45:32

about the real the

45:34

real author of the process, Sam Presti?

45:37

Because they all say because they sound

45:39

Presti. All the things that

45:41

Pablo Torre thinks of your boy,

45:43

Sam Presti has been. And

45:46

let's be fair, you and I had some

45:48

talks over the years about Sam and I

45:50

was holding out. I was like, no, I

45:52

see what's going on here with that. The

45:55

difference to me between the Presti process and

45:57

the hanky process was the point of the

45:59

hanky. process was a

46:02

very private equity inspired, strip

46:04

it down to the screws,

46:06

right? Make it completely worthless.

46:09

And then you get, you, you get those, the

46:11

plan was to get those star players and then

46:13

you go around from there and everyone's

46:15

argument and it's somewhat fair one is that

46:17

Hinky never got the chance to do the

46:19

team building part around the stars, but nothing

46:21

about what Hinky was doing before that gave

46:23

any indication that he was going to do

46:25

anything and find the guys, cause it seemed

46:27

like the guys that were found, it didn't

46:29

happen like while it was going on with

46:32

him. But Preston, look, they

46:34

made the plate. They had to trade Westbrook and Paul

46:36

George in 2019. They

46:38

made the playoffs in 2020. They

46:40

missed it in 21 and 22. They

46:43

made the play in last year, but he

46:45

got the superstar in the trade. It just

46:47

turned out to be Shagoda's Alexander, right? Like

46:49

he had the eye to see the dude,

46:51

the way that Daryl Morey saw James Horton,

46:53

Sam Presti saw SG8. They

46:56

got him and then all these picks and outside

46:58

of like Chad Holmgren, obviously that's a super high

47:01

pick, but outside of that, you correct me if

47:03

I'm wrong, they just got to making it work

47:05

with, I mean, this, they haven't

47:07

had a guy that's supposed to be that guy.

47:09

They did not have a Ben Simmons for

47:11

the MB right? They didn't have, I mean, it

47:13

didn't work, but they didn't have the Okafor pick,

47:16

for example, the Markelle Fultz, like the

47:18

Sixers had four top two picks in

47:22

the grand scheme of what it was that they were doing. That

47:24

would happen here. And that team is

47:26

a monster dog, a monster. And if

47:29

that, if this is the worst version

47:31

of Chet that we're ever going to

47:33

have. Oh,

47:37

think about like this. Think about

47:39

a Western conference next year with

47:41

an improved San Antonio Spurs with

47:44

an improved Victor Wimbiniamo, who's basically going

47:46

to rule the league. And

47:49

then you'll have a Western conference final this year, or

47:51

at least it looks like it could be, of

47:54

Oklahoma City with all those long

47:56

and rangy dudes, and

47:58

Minnesota with. all those

48:01

long and rangy dudes like

48:03

the transition is here. It

48:05

just didn't look like that we got it here

48:07

cause we were still focused on putting Golden State

48:10

on TV a hundred times and the Lakers on

48:12

TV a hundred times and Phoenix on TV a

48:14

hundred times. And all these dudes

48:16

were sitting right underneath our noses. Like

48:19

I don't know what the Western Conference Finals is going to

48:21

look like Bo, but when

48:23

you got Jaden McDaniels and Nikhil Alexander

48:26

Walker and Ant-Man on one side and

48:28

then you got Shay and

48:30

J-Dub and Lou Dort on the

48:32

other side. Like I ain't going to

48:35

say that defense is sexy but

48:37

that shit's going to be fun. You

48:39

didn't even mention chat. And you

48:41

can't run and you can't run. And

48:43

then you got chat. Hey

48:45

look, chat and Carl,

48:47

we're going to see how that works. Yeah, let

48:50

me tell you this. I know who's

48:52

going to be more surly in that matchup, right?

48:55

Like something tells me that Chad

48:57

Hulgris spent his whole upbringing in

48:59

Minnesota being like, boy, he called

49:01

up, right? Like he

49:03

is probably supremely excited about this.

49:05

The ghost of David Stern is

49:07

like, how come none of these

49:09

teams playing cities? Minneapolis,

49:12

Oklahoma city, all these

49:15

San Antonio, right? Like,

49:18

look, Utah going to be there at some point. Like

49:20

say what you want, Danny A's know what he doing,

49:22

right? He going to be there at some point, Sacramento,

49:25

all these cities that don't nobody want to live

49:27

in. New Orleans got a little something going. Memphis,

49:29

we go see what happens when they come back.

49:31

And by the way, my whole boy, my man

49:33

Jay Long, made the point. Minnesota

49:35

completely took the whole thing. Everything we

49:37

were saying about Minnesota, I mean about

49:39

Memphis two years ago, we said about

49:42

Minnesota. It's

49:45

like it never happened. That

49:47

is almost perfectly analogous. It's

49:50

like it never happened. But

49:52

you're right, the young rangy

49:54

revolution is here. These

49:57

guys everywhere in Oklahoma city, while people are here.

49:59

were not looking. I told you, you and I

50:01

were talking about this. I was saying top four

50:03

in the West this year and it felt like

50:05

a hot take. I was

50:08

there. And they were number one. I was

50:10

thinking, Oh, I'm going to give them top

50:12

six. But it speaks to the point earlier.

50:15

When these dudes are ready, they're

50:17

going to take over. They're not going to

50:19

sit and have like this young and stupid

50:21

year. Every team had a stupid year where

50:23

they perform like at a lower

50:25

level than their talent says they should. I don't

50:28

think that stupid year exists anymore. It's not as

50:30

soon as you should get there. You are getting

50:32

there. Like in like in the beginning of the

50:34

year when people say, you know, Minnesota could win

50:36

50 games this year. And I'm like with Karl

50:39

Townes and Rudy go

50:41

bare. They wouldn't know damn 50

50:43

games. Y'all just

50:45

like executives. Like that's what I was thinking.

50:47

Y'all just like these dudes and y'all want

50:50

to appear smart and y'all want to appear

50:52

like y'all are sophisticated. You know what I

50:54

mean? By saying Minnesota is going to get

50:56

it this year. I

50:59

was wrong. Here we are. Here we are.

51:01

And now here we are. And I'll be at man. It's

51:03

everything that we thought John Morant would be. Please

51:06

don't. Now here's now this is

51:08

the interesting trick bag. He does play with guns.

51:10

But the interesting trick bag here is that LeBron

51:13

James is probably going to be a free agent, right?

51:15

If I had to guess, he comes back to the

51:17

Lakers. Like that would, I

51:19

just don't see anything that works. But part of the reason

51:22

why I think he goes back is and I'm looking at

51:24

this with Paul George, these

51:26

young teams, how

51:28

much would you be willing to

51:31

sacrifice to add, say Paul George

51:34

at this point, given what you have? Because

51:36

to me, I think Oklahoma City

51:38

is a more established vet away and they've got

51:40

still got a bunch of picks. They still got

51:42

a lot of low spades that I think that

51:44

they could parlay and turn into something else. But

51:47

is that really the best move for you? Right?

51:49

Like what is, what is the discounting that you're

51:51

making on getting it done right now? And

51:53

the other question becomes, do you necessarily

51:56

need that vet if all your competition

51:58

at the top is all. also gonna

52:00

be a bunch of youngsters. Like

52:03

that's the question for the rest of the league is

52:05

when these old guys come out and they're available, all

52:07

right, the Clippers try to figure out what to do

52:09

with this guy or everybody else. All these dudes are

52:11

out here, if you're a young team, do

52:13

you really wanna do that? And if you're one

52:15

of those older players, where the hell

52:17

do you go? Cause the young dudes is the

52:19

future. Well, here's the thing. You said Paul, George

52:21

and LeBron workshop this with me.

52:24

Cause I know we probably gonna be at time in a few minutes,

52:26

but if

52:28

you're Kevin Durant, do you

52:30

try to get that old thing back with Oklahoma City?

52:33

And if you're Oklahoma City, what's

52:35

the best player that you give up

52:38

for Kevin Durant, who is

52:41

still really, really, really, really good

52:44

at this stage of his career with a couple

52:47

of years left? Like who's the best

52:49

player that you give up? You know what I'm saying? I

52:52

mean, one year ago, somebody gave up for

52:54

first round picks and play,

52:56

and Michael Bridges and

52:58

Cam Johnson to get

53:00

Kevin Durant. Would you do that now? Cause I wouldn't. I

53:02

mean, I don't know if those guys are any good though. I

53:05

think, well, Michael Bridges, I think Cam Johnson is. I

53:07

think Michael Bridges is good. Yeah, but I felt like

53:09

he had a strong second half of last year and

53:12

I think he kind of got overexposed this year. I

53:14

mean, that's fair. I think that's fair. I don't know

53:16

if Michael Bridges is any good. Now to me, the

53:18

guy for the Thunder of the Trade is a pretty

53:20

obvious one. It's Josh Giddy. I ain't

53:22

gonna lie. I

53:24

be feeling like he ain't got a care in the

53:27

world. Like I feel like when he out there playing

53:29

basketball, I don't know what he's thinking about. And I'm

53:31

not saying he plays stupid, but you know what I'm

53:33

talking about? Like he just be out there like, I

53:35

can't tell you exactly what he does well. He just

53:37

has the ball to be like, woo woo woo. Like

53:40

he just whistling and dribbling, going down the floor, maybe

53:42

take a shot, maybe throw it to somebody. You know,

53:44

and I have, there's nothing scientific and maybe I'm the

53:46

only person that sees this, right? But I don't feel,

53:48

I just feel like he'd be out there just doing

53:51

stuff. He got a lot more

53:53

lamello ball to him than we would think. A

53:55

lot more just yo-yoing that thing around the floor,

53:57

like, you know, passing for free. You

53:59

know what I mean? just randomly doing

54:02

shit. Not to the

54:04

point of, hey man, here go this a

54:06

dime for you. Not here go this underhanded

54:08

pass up the floor because I feel like

54:10

being pistol Pete. You know what I mean?

54:12

I don't know his purpose at this point

54:15

except for that other thing. And if you

54:17

send the player to trade is Josh Gitti,

54:19

I'm going to ask you who's taking Josh

54:21

Gitti? I mean, he's still

54:23

very low 20s, right? Somebody might see

54:25

something. He might sell some

54:28

tickets fan favorite. You know what I'm saying? By the way,

54:30

shout out to Gordon Hayward. Did he qualify as a fan

54:33

favorite? He can. He can.

54:35

Joe Ingalls did. But

54:37

Joe Ingalls was in Utah, but he was in Utah

54:39

being the fan favorite. And you know, they wanted back.

54:42

They, you know, it just means more, right?

54:44

Like, you know, like some spots they wanted

54:46

to be more of a shout out to

54:48

you, Gordon Hayward got himself to Oklahoma city,

54:50

the place where they retired Nick Collins, his

54:52

Jersey. And I may have said this on

54:54

the show already, but you want to talk

54:56

about unlike an auto career achievement. Gordon Hayward

54:58

playing for the jazz, the Celtics and the

55:00

Thunder. Does he need to go to the

55:03

Phoenix Suns to make an imagine set? No,

55:06

it wouldn't be the Phoenix Suns that would give him

55:08

all the Infinity Stones, would it? I

55:10

mean, historically, they were one of those teams. Right.

55:13

No, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

55:16

I'm trying to think there's got to be another

55:18

team that will qualify. No, Denver

55:20

Nuggets. Have you looked at

55:23

their stands during the game? No,

55:25

I hear you, but that don't mean that they that

55:27

kind of team, you know what I'm saying? Like, like

55:30

the Celtics, it's a

55:32

thing. Yes. The jazz. Yes. Yes.

55:34

It's a thing. The Thunder, it's

55:36

a different kind of thing, but

55:39

a thing nonetheless. Okay. I

55:41

got a team for you. I got it in his right

55:43

underneath our noses. The Indiana

55:45

Pacers. Oh, no, no, you're correct.

55:47

You remember that time that they had all them

55:49

black people and they went and fought the white

55:51

people. Well, they fought the black people in the

55:53

stands too. Like that's the thing. We always forget

55:55

about the thing in the palace that was not

55:57

black versus white. That was us versus them. Very.

56:00

us very broad them but after

56:02

that when they couldn't they

56:04

had to stop getting black people they was not

56:06

getting any white dude they can find they had

56:08

Joshua Roberts and Tyler hands bro at the same

56:10

time I think that a Bill Simmons once wrote

56:12

that they should change they slogan to what can

56:15

white but of what UPS has the looking brown

56:17

do for you and campaign

56:19

what can white do for you? You

56:23

are 100% correct the Pacers the Pacers are

56:25

those people let me look up and see

56:27

if Rick Smith got his jersey retired I

56:29

feel like somebody gonna hear this

56:32

and they gonna do it

56:35

now. Austin Crozier ain't gotta have got

56:37

you outside of that arena yet? What

56:40

are we doing here man? Wow

56:42

much to my surprise

56:45

Rick Smith does not have his jersey

56:47

retired and I gotta say I feel

56:50

like that's a miscarriage of justice. Hey

56:53

look man do you remember

56:55

that year that the Pacers they all

56:57

decided that we gonna go bald during

57:00

the playoffs and you had Fred Hoiberg

57:02

bald Rick Smith's bald what

57:04

type of discussions were being had

57:06

there or were the Indiana faithful

57:09

like hey y'all we seen this

57:11

before. Look man that year Phil

57:13

Jackson that was the year in

57:15

between because it was the it was the

57:17

it was the year it was the 98 99 No

57:21

so you know what's the rules? No

57:24

no no no but they did it the year

57:26

before too and the reason I know this is

57:28

it was the year before Phil Jackson came back

57:30

because Phil Jackson was writing a column for ESPN

57:33

the magazine and he was talking about the Pacers

57:35

when they did that cuz that Chris Mullen too

57:37

that you forgot about that Chris Mullen too and

57:39

he said that all the white dudes looked like

57:41

turned on light bulbs that's what I remember

57:43

about that. And

57:49

Phil Jackson's the guy Mr.

57:51

Posse he's the guy that's saying that he was the

57:53

guy that's saying that stuff. When

58:00

you want to talk about how Jordan changed the

58:02

game, we was out here going bald for

58:04

free. Like y'all don't understand, y'all let y'all, like

58:06

everybody that's making fun of us for being

58:08

bald, dude, we grew up with Mike. Mike

58:11

taught us there's no shame in being bald,

58:14

the shame is in your messed up hairline.

58:16

There was not all this hairline slander back

58:18

in the day. That came because Michael Jordan

58:20

cut his hair off before we could even

58:23

see it was a problem, right? He changed

58:25

the whole game with that. And

58:27

so cats are just out here bald-headed

58:29

just to do it. Mark Jackson, the

58:31

bald-headed. I thought that was

58:34

Onyx that did that. I thought

58:36

Onyx, check the knowledge. I

58:38

just, I just want to ask you this. Sorry.

58:41

Influencing the world. Michael

58:44

Jordan. Oh,

58:47

those little five foot three dudes. Who

58:51

you think, who you think shook up the globe, Vinnie? Who

58:53

you think shook up the globe? Hey,

58:56

I'm just telling you what, what one of them little dudes

58:58

said, man. Little

59:01

dude said that Onyx influenced Mike. Everybody was trying

59:03

to be like them. Hold

59:06

on. Hold on. Hold on. One of them actually said this? Yes.

59:09

You don't see it. There's a clip. I'm

59:11

sure Sean will find it. There's a clip

59:13

where he literally says, someone asks

59:15

him where they influenced by Mike.

59:18

He says Mike was influenced by

59:20

them. Mike went bald because of

59:22

Onyx, which goes against like, you

59:25

know, a calendar and common

59:27

sense. Yes. Yes. I can

59:30

hear Sean Tyson. Michael, Michael's on the

59:32

streets of New York. Michael's on the

59:34

streets of New York getting the Onyx

59:36

mixtape in 1987. I'm telling you. That's

59:38

what's going on. Michael, Michael, Michael

59:42

Kenny, Lattimore ass. Wow. This is really a

59:44

thing. I'm telling you. Oh, and look who

59:46

he told it to. Michael

59:49

Kenny, Lattimore ass was not out

59:51

here listening to Onyx. Mike ain't

59:53

never heard Slayer before in his

59:55

life. He was like, Oh, that's

59:57

that shit. They play at the

59:59

arena. Right. I might not, wow. I

1:00:02

had no idea, wow,

1:00:05

wow. I

1:00:07

hope you didn't think I just knew that I

1:00:09

might. Like, I mean, but if I

1:00:11

didn't know what else was there for

1:00:13

me to think, why would I think that

1:00:15

Addicts really told people that? What

1:00:18

was more plausible that you thought that or

1:00:20

that Addicts said that in front of people?

1:00:25

What was more likely to be true? All

1:00:27

right, like look, we all off

1:00:30

every now and then, right? You know

1:00:32

what I'm saying? Wow, wow, wow, wow.

1:00:34

Look, I tell you, everybody's got something

1:00:36

that they thought they started. My

1:00:39

advisor in graduate school, one of the most brilliant

1:00:41

men I've ever met. I even put his name

1:00:43

out there because it don't hurt him, though, and

1:00:45

it'll add to the humor of people who know

1:00:48

him. My advisor at the University of North Carolina

1:00:50

was a brilliant man named Sandy Darity, right? Literally

1:00:52

the smartest man that I know. I can't think

1:00:54

of anybody I know that's smarter than Sandy. And

1:00:58

Sandy is adamant that

1:01:00

he was the first person ever to

1:01:04

refer to Barry White as

1:01:07

the walrus of love. He

1:01:09

is the point of origin

1:01:12

for the nickname the

1:01:15

walrus of love. He is

1:01:17

the first person who has

1:01:19

said that my brother is

1:01:22

adamant that he is the first person

1:01:25

ever to use the

1:01:27

phrase drop a deuce in

1:01:29

reference to defecation. He

1:01:31

believes that no one had ever done

1:01:34

this before he did. He is

1:01:36

that first person. Now, I got a few things

1:01:38

that I think I'm the first person to buy,

1:01:40

but I actually think they're true. Like-

1:01:42

I got one. For you or for me? For

1:01:44

me. I don't know about you. What's yours? Mine

1:01:46

is deaf line though, that's it. You did,

1:01:48

you did do that. You did that, you

1:01:51

did that. I was the first person,

1:01:53

and I feel confident saying this, I

1:01:55

was the one that told y'all not to say certain people's

1:01:57

names. And if you was gonna say their names, letters

1:02:00

around when you was going to say it. I

1:02:02

did that. Oh, like the football player. And

1:02:05

the football player's baddie, that guy. Yeah, that's what I'm

1:02:07

saying. That's the end. That's what I'm talking about. Stop

1:02:09

it, stop it, stop it. That's what I'm saying. Also,

1:02:11

I've been seeing this come up in the Kendrick beat.

1:02:13

If you ever hear somebody talk about how Kendrick is

1:02:16

going for an audience of one, I did that. I

1:02:18

feel confident saying that I did that. Like I know when

1:02:21

I said it, I put it out there for y'all and

1:02:23

I heard people say it after the fact.

1:02:25

Like it'd be a few things to catch me out

1:02:27

here doing on the tweet. Sometimes I got it from

1:02:29

somebody, but that's the thing. Sometimes you get it from

1:02:31

somebody and make it bigger. Like my man, Real, came

1:02:34

up with his own, it's for college. But I brought

1:02:36

that to the world. You see what I'm saying? But

1:02:38

I recognize I didn't start that. He did, he

1:02:41

did. He the OG on that one

1:02:43

right there. Sometimes we got it. But the wall

1:02:45

was to love. I don't know who Sandy told

1:02:47

that to everybody else. That's

1:02:50

a good one. I mean, that's a little

1:02:52

delusional, but that's a good one. He the what? No,

1:02:54

he's so adamant about it. He be calling

1:02:56

his wife over. He'll say it. He be

1:02:58

like, why? Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten. It's

1:03:01

not Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten. Tell them. And

1:03:03

she's like, yes, yes, Sandy came up with that. And you

1:03:05

can't tell him he's wrong. No, I mean, that's

1:03:07

a general rule thing there, yes. But on this

1:03:09

one, no, he is adamant. And to be fair,

1:03:11

why would you think somebody else said it first?

1:03:13

You ain't never met no Martin Luther the King.

1:03:15

And Reston, piece of Barry White. That's what I'm

1:03:17

saying. That's what I'm saying. You ain't never met

1:03:20

no Martin Luther the King. But I'm gonna say

1:03:22

though, Reston, piece of Barry White, but

1:03:26

not good that we all, like anybody could see

1:03:28

him. I think he looked like a walrus. That's

1:03:30

not a flattery thing to say about one

1:03:32

of our niggas. Not

1:03:37

at all. Not at all. You know what I'm

1:03:39

saying? Not at all. Yeah, I could

1:03:41

be wrong, but that doesn't feel right. That

1:03:43

doesn't feel right. But we wouldn't know any better.

1:03:46

Yes. Yeah, I mean, Steve would

1:03:48

be like, he looked just like this walrus. I saw the

1:03:50

last time I went to the zoo. That is

1:03:53

Vinnie Goodwill. Check him out, Yahoo Sports.

1:03:55

Check out the podcast, The Good Word

1:03:57

with Goodwill, available wherever you get your

1:03:59

five. podcast and shout out

1:04:01

to your little bitty producer, John,

1:04:04

I believe is his name. I just wanted to make

1:04:06

sure that he knew that I knew that he was

1:04:08

out here listening. You know what I'm saying? Don't

1:04:11

take it so personal what Drake is saying about

1:04:13

that little man. He not talking about all y'all.

1:04:15

He just talking about that one. You know what

1:04:17

I'm saying? It's kind of like a Rick Ross

1:04:19

caller called Drake White boy.

1:04:21

He ain't talking about all y'all. He just talking

1:04:23

about him. He just saying

1:04:25

pull himself up by his bootstraps to be, you

1:04:27

know, like a giant. You

1:04:35

know what I'm saying? I mean, you're five, 10 giants. I'll

1:04:38

just tell everybody, I'll

1:04:40

just tell everybody if any podcast producer was not happy

1:04:42

with me that time I said that I used to

1:04:44

be short and that what I did when I was

1:04:47

short was I picked myself up by my bootstraps that

1:04:49

I got off. He didn't like that at all. He

1:04:53

was like, you think I didn't

1:04:55

try that shit? He up in

1:04:57

the doorway hanging and swagging. He

1:04:59

able to pull up, just letting

1:05:01

everything dangle. His back, his vertebrae

1:05:03

cracking. Everything lining up. He out

1:05:05

here like jubilee. Try to get

1:05:08

that stretch on. You

1:05:11

just make my life more miserable. All

1:05:14

I'm saying though, and I need everybody

1:05:16

to know this right now in this

1:05:18

moment, is that that is not me

1:05:20

talking about John in that case. This

1:05:22

in this case, I am talking about

1:05:24

all of y'all. Every single one

1:05:27

of you. Every said I got to

1:05:29

stop because y'all all go get together. The lollipop

1:05:31

gang go run up on me and

1:05:33

it's going to be an issue. Boy, they

1:05:36

can't. It's going to be y'all go. Y'all. It's

1:05:38

going to look up one

1:05:40

day and it's going to be Carl.

1:05:42

How Mike Tariqo and a bunch of

1:05:45

dudes under five nine. Mad,

1:05:47

mad dog. No good is coming. That's what

1:05:49

you about to get. I'm

1:05:53

going to be out here. King. I'm going to be out here

1:05:55

swatting Carl up. I just got to look at Carl like this

1:05:58

and get it. I got to get that. Carl

1:06:00

off and then I'm gonna be just swinging my feet

1:06:02

around trying to get these dudes my shoelaces. Oh Viddy

1:06:05

I appreciate you man. Oh, yeah All

1:06:08

right, so we got prize pigs for the people we

1:06:10

sure do bow We have one game

1:06:13

on the playoffs late tonight Knicks vs.

1:06:15

Pacers Knicks are up 1-0 in the

1:06:17

series It's still in Madison Square Garden.

1:06:19

So I'm gonna go Dante DiVincenzo 17

1:06:22

and a half points on take

1:06:24

more Okay, don't taste don't take

1:06:26

Elsiacum 20 points will take

1:06:29

more there Andrew Nemhard You

1:06:31

know is he's a guy on the Pacers. I think

1:06:33

he'll do well 18 points There's

1:06:37

plenty to go around He's

1:06:43

a guy on the Pacers

1:06:47

You know, he's a great Duncan game

1:06:50

one, but that's pretty much all I

1:06:52

all I got I feel confident 18

1:06:54

points rebound that assist. Yeah, we'll take

1:06:56

a lot I

1:06:58

have been calling that that series for me is

1:07:00

a game of meet the Pacers I

1:07:03

am learning a lot about the NBA See

1:07:05

who plays with it, but it's so many

1:07:07

things like people to get in my business

1:07:09

and be like you can tell Bo ain't

1:07:11

never watch the place. I realized last year.

1:07:13

I had seen the Sacramento Kings play a

1:07:16

full game in 20 years I

1:07:18

am not sure the last time I see

1:07:20

the Pacers play a full game before the

1:07:22

other day You know why cuz I have

1:07:24

better shit to do. That's why I have

1:07:26

better shit to do for myself for my

1:07:28

job All of it the fact

1:07:30

that there's a Nemard and a nice miss, you

1:07:33

know, it's like Pick

1:07:35

one side Wait

1:07:43

a minute are the Pacers doing that thing where they get all they

1:07:45

black people from other countries No, I think that

1:07:47

these guys are all home-grown. Oh really

1:07:49

Wow. I ain't never met a new hard in

1:07:51

my life Yeah, those are my picks

1:07:54

for the game tonight, but we'll see how we'll see

1:07:56

who comes up on top All right, Andrew. Nip hard

1:07:58

is uh is

1:08:00

from Canada and Aaron

1:08:03

Nesmith is from South Carolina. Oh,

1:08:08

one for two. There's something new every day. But

1:08:10

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