The Ringer's Ben Lindbergh and Michael Baumann talk to FanGraphs writer/fly-ball believer Travis Sawchik and 'FiveThirtyEight' writer/fly-ball skeptic Rob Arthur about hitters who've broken out after aiming for the air (03:00), other hitters who've declined despite elevating their batted balls (13:00), how teams are trying to teach the uppercut swing (15:00), whether the "fly-ball revolution" explains the big leagues' record home run rate (24:00), and whether pitchers can counter batters' altered approach (33:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices