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On today's show, we react to the latest episode of

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X-Men 97 and give you some nerd

6:26

news. Now, here's the deal. It's time to get

6:28

into the show. We're gonna be spoiling a lot

6:31

of stuff and I gotta be honest with you

6:33

guys about this particular show and X-Men 97. We

6:36

need a platinum spoiler warning because

6:38

some of the things that are getting spoiled

6:41

in this show on X-Men 97, some of

6:43

the stuff that they're doing, some

6:45

of the most important things that have happened to comic books,

6:47

particularly in this episode. So if you don't want to know

6:49

a fundamental change that happens

6:51

to your very old friend Logan,

6:54

James Howlett, then you might not want to listen to this show

6:56

but it's a reaction show so you do want to listen so

6:58

I'm resent that I have to do this and I resent that

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I have to ask Steve to play the spoiler warning. We're

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getting ready to talk about...

7:16

You're listening to

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a reaction podcast. The

7:24

spoilers are coming. Alright, now we have to

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put you in the know about this

7:29

episode. The only way to do that is the

7:33

Midnight Manifest. The only person who can do that is Chuck Wacken. Take

7:35

it away, Chuck. Alright,

7:39

this is your Midnight Manifest for the

7:41

Pen Ultimate episode of X-Men 97 directed

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by Emi Emi Yonamura written by Anthony Salidi and

7:46

I'm not gonna lie to you guys, I did

7:48

not write this down so we're going off the

7:50

top of the dome. I remember

7:53

this episode. Xavier is back.

7:55

He's sleeping in the burnt out mansion. Everybody's

7:57

like, fuck Xavier is back. We hate you.

8:00

Then the X-Men get over their daddy

8:02

issues. Blue team, gold team have two

8:04

different missions. One team

8:07

is going to stop Bastion. The

8:09

other team is going to stop Magneto.

8:12

But before they could do that, Magneto

8:14

shows up at the mansion. He's like,

8:16

yo, who wants to join me? Humanity's

8:18

fucking us over. Rogue is like, my

8:20

boo is dead. I'm going to my

8:22

side boo. And then Sunspot is like,

8:24

I'm going with you too. So then

8:26

the X-Men go to fight Magneto. A

8:29

very spoiler warning once again, spoiler warning.

8:31

Magneto rips the adamantium out of Wolverine. One

8:33

of the most consequential things that ever happened

8:36

in comic books. And Bastion

8:38

and the Sentinels fuck over the other

8:40

team. And then that's the finale. Did

8:42

I miss anything? Not really. That

8:45

was off the dome

8:47

midnight manifest, but I think it works. Okay,

8:49

let's get into the instant reactions. I'm going

8:51

first this time. I love this show. It's

8:54

time for me to become a Glazer.

8:58

I want a special

9:01

glazing sound drop. I

9:03

was thinking this is how fat I am. I

9:06

was thinking about the Krispy Kreme. If you could

9:31

have that sound, just look. I've never had a

9:34

Krispy Kreme donut when they have the light in

9:46

their front. That makes so

9:48

much sense. That's very, that

9:50

makes so much sense. To

9:52

the show.

9:56

X-Men 97 is a joyful, gleeful,

10:00

ridiculously fulfilling experience for me. Guys,

10:02

I'm sorry for everyone that sounded

10:05

my voice. I know you

10:07

want me to be a little bit

10:09

more level-headed. I'm up watching it

10:11

this morning and Kalika is

10:13

looking at me and she's going, you

10:16

really love this show, don't you?

10:19

I am in

10:21

ecstasy with X-Men 97. I

10:24

am over the moon. I think

10:26

the action in this

10:28

episode was great. The stakes, passion,

10:31

carrying his mom, things that

10:33

have happened worldwide. The mutants are

10:35

under attack. Magneto is back. Professor

10:37

X comes back in the most

10:40

impotent way I've ever seen Professor

10:42

X come back ever.

10:44

He crash lands and immediately I'm going

10:46

to take a nap. Yeah, he comes

10:48

down rogue, sunspot. Asteroid

10:51

M makes an appearance. They are

10:53

setting up all of

10:55

the 90s X-Men stakes

10:58

and X-Men plots so perfectly

11:01

to me. They're recapturing

11:03

the golden age of the X-Men.

11:06

I'm loving the show and this

11:09

episode as a penultimate works

11:11

so perfectly. I can't wait till next week Chuck. I

11:14

don't know, men boys, what did you think of X-Men, I think?

11:17

This show does an amazing

11:19

thing to where every

11:22

single time the

11:24

credits roll, I'm looking

11:26

at my TV screen like, yo, what

11:28

the hell did I just watch? How

11:30

awesome is this? The last six

11:32

to eight weeks, I've just been staring at

11:34

my TV going, yo, am I witnessing history

11:38

right now? I think this

11:41

episode of Particular does

11:43

what the show does really

11:45

well to with T, whereas in the

11:48

first 20 minutes

11:51

as people conversate in their

11:53

discussion stuff, everybody's having like

11:55

the intimate moments, intimate like

11:58

the scene between Gene and Storm. She's

12:00

like, make them mind

12:02

your weather and weather their

12:04

mind. I was like, Oh, they spin right now.

12:07

Right. And then it gets to the

12:09

action, right. And he got the

12:11

scene with the morph turning in a Hulk

12:13

and them going through the signals and then

12:15

gene summer and cable have in that moment.

12:18

And then magneto

12:21

rips the adamantium

12:24

out of Wolverine's bones. And

12:27

it's like, it's not exactly, but it's basically like

12:29

for like for the comic, like

12:31

that exact panel. And

12:33

then answer like, yo, this is

12:35

awesome. The episode was awesome. The show

12:38

continues to be amazing. I'm having

12:40

the time of my life watching the show every

12:42

minute. It's incredible. Ken morph turn

12:44

until he just did. He

12:47

did it. They just did. He got that

12:49

power. Hold on. There was, there was, he

12:51

was punching shit in the face. There was

12:53

a clever thing that they did though, that

12:55

he had the, the gene gray blue, like

12:58

she was probably powering them up to do that. So let me ask

13:00

you a question then. Then what the fuck

13:02

is the point of turning? I don't know. I

13:04

don't know. Again, for us, we've like had this

13:06

head pressure moment of morph the entire time. Well,

13:08

cause now it's not a mutant. It was like

13:10

before it was just mutants. Yeah. Now it's the

13:12

Hulk. I didn't know he could just do anybody.

13:14

Like, can you turn into Galactus? I

13:16

mean, I don't know. We'll see. Next week. Just

13:21

like try, try out Galactus solve

13:23

a lot of problems. Turn it to anybody in the,

13:26

in the fucking Marvel universe. I'm not turning

13:28

into fucking Quicksilver bro. I'm talking to like

13:31

Thanos. Fuck it. Who cares? Thanos. But

13:33

you needed, he needed super speed at that point. No,

13:35

yeah, he did. So that's why he turned into

13:37

Quicksilver. He needed the super speed and so he's run on. So

13:41

that's why he was turning Quicksilver. Look, obviously

13:45

the morph thread is one

13:47

that is there to be pulled on, but

13:49

sure. Sorry. Steve,

13:51

what'd you think of that? It was amazing. It's true.

13:53

I mean, the more thing is when he turned into

13:55

the whole this episode, I was like, all right. Are

14:00

you gonna turn it to you'll know now? But at

14:02

this point like if morph turns into anybody Are we

14:04

just gonna throw our hands up and be like? What

14:12

I love about this Show and especially

14:14

at this point is something that seems

14:17

so consequential as Xavier coming back and

14:19

confronting Magneto Eric

14:21

doesn't really give a shit about the fact that he's back

14:23

other than there's just like, okay, so

14:25

you're here So you're a

14:28

hypocrite It makes it

14:30

worse Because

14:34

they're like, oh so you just left and then gave me everything

14:36

and you just think you can act like you can take it

14:38

All back and solve every problem

14:40

that we have fuck you. This was the

14:42

worst Xavier episode now I've been

14:45

a Xavier defender here But

14:47

this was the worst one. I think the show does it on

14:49

purpose though. I think it does Right I do the does it

14:52

your note like they know that Xavier is not that great of

14:54

a person Even though he's

14:56

not that great of a person Cuz

14:58

I still believe that he's doing he thinks he's

15:00

doing the right thing But his

15:03

entire worldview his outlook

15:06

all of his tactics everything he does Just

15:09

completely impotent. Yeah in in in this

15:11

episode house mutant if we're gonna be

15:13

damn well, is he not? I

15:15

mean, he's been getting outmaneuver by Magneto this entire

15:18

time. Whoa Magneto

15:20

and rogue and gambit witnessed

15:23

the genocide of their people on on

15:26

their country and Xavier still

15:28

like hey, let me talk

15:30

to the president real quick. Let me do this. I'm like Like

15:34

Xavier stand up. Yeah, stop. It's bad.

15:36

Like even when he went back to

15:38

the president, I'm like Bro,

15:40

the president doing anything for you. The

15:42

president is senator Kelly. Is he not? That's

15:45

dead. Yeah She's

15:47

not he's not going to be

15:49

a sympathetic ear for you

15:51

at that particular point look honestly,

15:54

I think that what

15:56

Xavier believes is in Xavier

16:00

believes in the humanity of mutants and

16:04

at its core, Magneto

16:06

believes in the supremacy of them. Wait, wait,

16:09

wait. Does Professor X

16:11

believe in the humanity of mutants?

16:13

Because Rogue, rightfully points

16:15

out, I was a little bit pissed, Professor

16:17

X is kind of remembering Remy and

16:20

Rogue is like, you only think of him as

16:22

a mutant. That's why I

16:24

was just like, damn, I don't even think Professor X really

16:27

rated Gambit like that. Because

16:29

I don't actually think he thinks of

16:31

the X-Men's humanity. I think

16:33

the thing that the best X-Men

16:35

comics do is show

16:37

how Professor X is just as blinded

16:40

by his politics as Magneto is. And

16:43

I think that this episode and even the way

16:45

the other X-Men are kind of like, get away

16:47

from us is a perfect example of, he didn't

16:50

even ask any of the X-Men,

16:53

he didn't even trust any of them to take over the

16:55

school. Like if you think about it, he went to Magneto,

16:58

you didn't even ask Cyclops and Gene how they

17:01

felt about this. You made a choice for them

17:03

that you thought, and maybe that plays into the

17:05

fact that he is the father figure. And a

17:07

lot of times he acts like their father instead

17:10

of acting like, oh, they're adults, they

17:12

can make their own choices. They're actual humans with

17:14

nuanced feelings. Even when he says like, my X-Men,

17:16

like he treats them as a possession sometimes, he's

17:18

gonna do what's best for them. We've talked about

17:21

him sometimes, you know, I already acting on

17:24

behalf of the X-Men without consulting them about what

17:26

they think about their lives and you wonder how

17:28

much agency they have. The reason why I say,

17:30

I think his politics are that the X-Men are,

17:36

his politics are wrapped up in the X-Men's humanity.

17:38

And the reason why I say that is because

17:40

he's always looking to preserve

17:44

the link between humans and mutants. He

17:46

doesn't want their own separate thing. He

17:48

wants, like even in catastrophe, right, with

17:51

Genosia, that might be a time where a lot of

17:53

people would be like, you know what, they're not like

17:55

us, they're not like us, right,

17:58

you know what I mean? They would be like, you know, what did it. But

18:00

he doesn't do that. He goes, okay, listen, this

18:02

whole thing is going to be bad for humans

18:05

and mutants because we're kind of the same. We

18:07

have to coexist. We have to share, I

18:09

believe, in us being a part

18:12

of a human mutant society. And

18:14

that means that he has to

18:16

identify with humanity, Magneto. And obviously,

18:19

Sunspot and obviously Rogue, this is the

18:21

episode where they reject that. And Bastion,

18:23

who represents something that's

18:25

outside of that, it's what's

18:28

pushing them apart. And so Xavier,

18:31

his dogma, what

18:34

you're saying is right. His

18:36

dogma has captured him and

18:38

captured his ability

18:40

to probably be as connected to the X-Men

18:42

as he should be. But his dogma, I

18:44

think, is that we have to be a

18:47

part of humanity or the

18:49

human, or

18:51

have some connection to humanity in some way when

18:53

the other mutants are saying no. Yeah,

18:57

the other mutants are like, we don't want that anymore. But

19:00

Rogue flew up there. I love

19:02

Radical Rogue. Man, Radical

19:05

Rogue, bro. And then you've got the OG

19:07

Green. I don't lie, Rogue don't believe in

19:09

nothing. Rogue just ran around. You're not believing

19:11

anything. Sunspot's an absolute punk in this episode.

19:14

I'm so sorry. This

19:18

is a kickball game and I'm just like, I'm making

19:20

my pitch and the only people who move are Rogue

19:22

and Sunspot. I'm like, damn, bro. Cause Rogue don't even

19:25

count. Cause that's damn near, like, they was fucking. So

19:27

she's like, she kind of is like, damn, well, I

19:29

don't got Remy anymore. And then Sunspot, I knew. Wait,

19:31

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

19:33

hold on for a second. I

19:36

want everyone to listen to me in that boy's

19:38

podcast. Just say that Rogue made her decision to

19:41

revolt because of the dick. Am

19:45

I wrong? That's what Charles just said. Charles just

19:47

said. Charles just said that

19:49

Rogue had two dicks. One of them died

19:51

and she wasn't going to go without her.

20:00

up. Oh, wow. And

20:02

so then you said, whoa, that's exactly what

20:04

he said. You

20:08

said, so it was, I'm saying that she's

20:11

balanced. Rogue don't believe in

20:13

shit. All right. Rogue don't believe in

20:15

shit because that is not true. No, no, that

20:17

is not true. First of all, in

20:19

the danger room, like Remy is like looking

20:22

like Drake outside the danger room, just fucking

20:24

shadow one tier because Lowe's

20:26

getting her cheeks clapped by Magneto in the

20:28

danger room. And once

20:30

Remy dies, she's like, you

20:33

really was my one and crew only. And

20:35

now that that motherfucker is dead, she's like,

20:37

you know what? Fuck the X-Men who took

20:39

me in. This is my family. They took

20:41

care of me. I'm going with

20:44

Magneto. I'm like, bro, stop flip flopping.

20:46

Stop like pick, pick a side. And

20:48

she's not a ride or die. If

20:50

we're being honest, here's what I'll say.

20:52

I think what it comes down to is

20:55

the other conversation with her and Magneto or

20:57

sorry, her and Charles Xavier at the lake. And

21:00

she's like, my man's died. You're not really all that

21:02

worried about him. Right. Also

21:05

fuck Cyclops. Fuck D. Also Nightcrawler.

21:08

That was the love of her life. You clearly

21:10

don't care. Nightcrawler is her brother. You're not going to ride

21:12

with your brother? She clearly don't care. You saw what she

21:15

did a couple of episodes ago when she was

21:17

just tearing around the place, trying

21:19

to find something to fill the gap of

21:22

her grieving Remy. Like

21:24

clearly she's not really messing with all. Oh, we

21:26

got to have peace now. So

21:30

what you're saying is that

21:32

we've seen Nightcrawler shedding

21:34

tears being like, yo, you're my sister.

21:36

I'm like, I'm going to help. I'm

21:39

here for you. Did it adopt? I'm

21:41

like, damn, Rogan, Rogan, Nightcrawler, finally, family,

21:43

uniting, whatever. She

21:45

going to go back to Mr. Groomer, Magneto after one.

21:47

That's what I was going to say. I'm like, we

21:49

can't forget the history that they have. You're right. Where

21:52

Magneto is like, I've been waiting. Honestly,

21:56

Magneto is the Drake of

21:58

X-Men. three

22:00

very important things happening this episode. Okay,

22:02

so number

22:04

one, we see a mutant

22:09

revolt and Magneto's acolytes actually kind of

22:11

form, right? Because Magneto

22:13

and acolytes, if you guys don't know what the

22:15

acolytes is, it was Magneto's basically acolytes, his team

22:19

that lived on asteroid M with him. We see

22:22

asteroid M. So Magneto is going

22:24

back to asteroid M and I would assume

22:26

that Sunspot and Rogue are now, in

22:29

this version, are going to be some of his first acolytes

22:31

that are going to be in asteroid M with him. Maybe

22:34

Trevor Fitzroy and all of those guys before

22:36

were there, but maybe they're gone now. He's

22:38

got new acolytes, they're going to go to

22:41

asteroid M, whatever. We see the X-Men Blue

22:43

and Gold teams split up, which have we

22:45

seen that in the show before? No,

22:48

we've seen them split up. But I was going to

22:50

say with the Blue and Gold teams, I think, I

22:53

do think that the X-Men kind of got a

22:55

strategy problem in terms of how they're forming their

22:57

teams up. It's like, why would you put Cable

22:59

and Gene on the same team? What did you

23:01

want, like a telekinetic and telepath? Well, you were

23:04

keeping that in the tuck for a minute. Yeah,

23:06

well, Cable also has other skills. No,

23:08

he does, but I feel like having

23:11

Professor X up in Magneto, it was

23:13

just like, I think the team should

23:16

have been split up. Why was Wolverine

23:18

going to attack Magneto? So

23:20

what would be your roster then? What's your perfect X-Men

23:22

Blue and X-Men Gold? With this team?

23:25

Yeah, just with the roster. Oh, you really wouldn't

23:27

send them. I would send

23:29

Wolverine to go face Magneto, that makes no

23:31

sense. Send him to go face Bastion. So

23:34

I would swap Wolverine with Cable. Ooh,

23:37

but then you have Wolverine and Gene trying to get freaky in

23:39

the middle of the battle. You've got to think about the personalities.

23:41

No, I can lock in. Wolverine

23:43

can lock in. I'm being serious. You've got to think about

23:45

the personalities. You've got to think about the way people work

23:47

as well. You're a chemistry place. But

23:49

also, you put both

23:51

of the Omega level mutants on the same team,

23:54

Storm and Gene. The fact that Storm wasn't up there on

23:57

Astro and M. Well, Cable is on Omega level mutant as well.

24:00

Oh, he's definitely okay again, but

24:03

like he look it up. He didn't disclose the

24:05

fact that he had telekinetic I thought that like

24:07

to your you just brought it up. I just

24:09

thought that like him getting control by sinister, right?

24:13

Basically kind of opened up the fact that

24:15

he did have that cuz we write forget.

24:17

Yeah, yeah, no organic virus So he's not

24:20

as powerful as gene or other. Yeah, he's

24:22

yeah, I'll kinetics can a didn't make the

24:24

summers is known Omega level

24:26

yeah, but but he has the technical

24:31

Nerved by the fact that he's using his power to fight

24:33

the technical to know organic virus, but okay

24:36

The Wolverine thing is this It

24:39

doesn't probably make tactical sense for him to be

24:41

on that team and go face man magneto but

24:43

of course story wise it makes sense because magneto

24:47

harming Wolverine to that degree is Indicative

24:51

of magneto going completely

24:53

fucking berserk because him doing

24:55

that is the thing that

24:58

separates them and makes magneto

25:00

into the fucking most sinister

25:02

motherfucker ever because he

25:04

wouldn't have done that to Wolverine and Wolverine

25:07

escalating with magneto and Killing

25:09

him. I mean that shit have happened

25:12

Like I was at what he stabbed back to you I'm

25:14

like my news not dead But Wolverine is doing what he

25:16

needs to do the other thing I want to ask power

25:18

wise So they say

25:21

that Nightcrawler goes to agent

25:24

because so Canonically his

25:27

powers are he can only Transport

25:29

he can't transport a lot of people and he

25:31

can only transport to what he sees. So

25:33

I'm just like How

25:35

does he make his mind's eye or? See

25:38

with his eyes. I always thought

25:40

I meant he always thought admit

25:42

he had to see where he was going

25:45

That's what so like he can't teleport through

25:47

a wall into a new room But you

25:50

can tell if you see if there's a

25:52

window he can teleport because he's seeing into

25:54

the room Or if we're standing right here

25:56

and he's if we're standing in Brooklyn and

25:58

he can see the fashion of liberty he

26:00

can go there but he

26:02

has to see where he's going yeah because if

26:04

he doesn't he's going to bam into like

26:07

some shit like a wall or whatever yeah

26:09

himself so does he does

26:11

he teleport into asteroid m without

26:13

seeing it I don't

26:16

know sorry this very like X-men

26:18

nerd war it's funny but the

26:20

show's doing so well then

26:22

all we can do is pick the show gets you know

26:24

what the X-men really has problems

26:31

with to me the

26:34

X-men sometimes in in

26:37

like like X-men days of future past right it's

26:40

a great movie I rewatched it's a great movie

26:44

the movie becomes sort

26:47

of a solo Wolverine trip into the

26:49

past and that becomes kind of the

26:52

move the overall

26:54

menace of the

26:57

Sentinels and the

26:59

shitty future and all of that

27:01

stuff and what they're actually fighting

27:03

for becomes less important than

27:06

Wolverine going back through the

27:08

future and doing

27:10

what the fuck he's doing and like that whole aesthetic and all of that

27:12

the new X-men are in and stuff like that it's great the movie's great

27:14

don't get me wrong this show does

27:17

a good job of making the

27:19

X-men smaller players in like a much bigger

27:21

world like you feel how pissed

27:23

everyone is because they lost all the power

27:25

we have 12 hours to figure

27:27

this out you guys have to go

27:29

and get Bastion and then you

27:33

guys have to deal with Magneto when

27:35

Cyclops actually blasts

27:37

Xavier because he

27:39

needs to give the other team more

27:42

time to deal with Bastion because of

27:44

what's going on like even

27:47

that little scene it was so it's

27:50

just told you so much about Cyclops Cyclops

27:52

so much about Xavier so much about what's

27:54

really important to these characters all

27:58

this in a person but they're under so

28:00

much duress because of how

28:02

significant these situations are, because of

28:05

how fucked up everything is. They're

28:07

living in the end of the

28:09

world. They're super powered beings, almost

28:11

gods, but they're barely

28:14

able to keep things together.

28:16

That's always what to

28:18

me was so great about the comic

28:20

books was that they were super powered

28:22

gods that were just

28:24

under so much threat. Everything

28:27

was so ratcheted up. And

28:29

I feel that I feel bash and I feel sinister.

28:31

I feel, I feel all of this stuff

28:34

going on with them. And they

28:36

don't feel safe. It feels like the X-Men

28:38

could lose. It feels like they are losing.

28:40

It feels like it, I can't

28:43

turn away or someone could be gone.

28:45

And even though I know the stuff

28:47

that's happening, it still works. I

28:49

mean, I'm just really all over this. I'm banned

28:51

the Glazer. Jay, you

28:53

know, Jay Glazer from Flock. That's Van

28:55

Glazer. I'm a full Glazer. You sound

28:57

like Mal with Drake,

28:59

bro. I like, I just want to shut that mic

29:01

off, bro. Mal with Drake. Shout out to Mano, man.

29:04

Mal, by the way. You're going to get people confused.

29:06

He's fucking on Mal. From

29:09

Mano? I don't look into enough of that

29:11

podcast. Shout out to Mal. Shout out to

29:13

Mal. Those are my guys. Shout out to

29:15

Mal. Mal loves Drake. Mal

29:17

loves Drake like I love X-Men and

29:19

I do. Damn. That

29:21

was a rough three minutes there for Wolverine.

29:24

He'll be fine. Not to me like you,

29:27

you know, he didn't notice it, but we saw it

29:29

when jeans like I love you Scott

29:31

tough and then you get

29:33

your adamantium ripped out. Just your skeleton.

29:36

You know, it's like Dan's a bitch. I

29:39

mean, he's, I mean, when you, when

29:42

you look at the rankings and the

29:44

who stock went up, went down as

29:46

episode is stock plummeted. I think Wolverine's

29:48

more victim of circumstance than him. Actually

29:51

not really. You know, you

29:53

know, you're Canadian ass ain't

29:55

doing nothing to magneto. There's

29:57

an anti-Canadian sentiment. And

30:00

well, here's the thing right Drake when I'll said

30:03

Jamal Murray was out there crying on the court

30:05

now Well, Indians are really down bad right now.

30:07

He is down bad down down terrible right now,

30:09

right? We up Let's start the American town. Homie.

30:11

What are you trying to do? We up we

30:14

up Look

30:18

look look we We up See

30:24

what do you mean by that? What do you mean by

30:26

that we up as a You

30:29

know me and Kendra come from or come from the same

30:31

place, but we grew up around the same area Laker

30:35

fan, obviously, so seeing Drake and Jamal

30:39

Murray pay for their sins. It's great.

30:41

Yeah, it's awesome Yeah

30:48

It's a we now again as a Kendrick and a

30:50

lego fan has been great Bring

30:57

up bring up Joe Mee's Black Panther picture and what he

30:59

wore Real

31:09

quick Predictions

31:13

Let's talk about where things are my

31:16

needle is taking the X-Men. He's made some new

31:18

acolytes We

31:20

have to cut the power back on yeah, if

31:22

you want to cut that was so funny Hey,

31:25

man So I know like they

31:27

killed all your people and stuff and you know, you

31:29

really gonna do it I know I've been gone for

31:31

a little bit, but if you just like screw that

31:33

light bulb back in that'd be real cool I know

31:35

all those people who killed I owe

31:37

people they they you know coming down from space just

31:40

to tell me that like we get it The

31:43

reality is that with the

31:45

clock is ticking sure and after

31:47

a certain time they can't so it's

31:49

essentially The end of the world right

31:52

end of civilization if they

31:54

can't get this or a big

31:56

fucking drawback

32:00

big word I mean strategically

32:02

if I was professor

32:04

Xavier I'd be like well

32:06

we the mutants have

32:08

all the power we'll be fine maybe you should not

32:10

blows up and I'll

32:15

talk to Megadito and we get a lot

32:17

of leverage coming in you talk to the

32:21

president I'm like you do realize the mutants

32:23

have all the leverage right now why are

32:26

you still sucking like

32:29

but that's that's the thing about Xavier he's never gonna

32:31

use that leverage well yeah he probably doesn't want to

32:33

act in that capacity I get what you're saying though

32:36

he probably doesn't want to act in that how many

32:38

mutants do we think died on Janosha a lot a

32:40

lot like hundreds also

32:42

also also also fuck peace

32:45

I just like get that newspaper lady out

32:48

of here yeah why you

32:50

doing like she's trying to fuck

32:52

you over twice he like her

32:55

here's the thing right the

32:57

can the Mac can the mutant survive

32:59

without thirst like new feel probably you

33:02

know cuz I mean they got a whole

33:04

asteroid now so they could be like we

33:06

got a little bit here from a scientific

33:08

standpoint can anybody so no that's what I'm

33:11

thinking about it like you know it the

33:13

earth actually our planet from cosmic radiation and

33:15

the particles from the sun that would you

33:17

know turn us to bits right you know

33:19

so I kind of feel like everybody's

33:22

playing for keeps right now and

33:24

so like while the mutants probably be like they can grandstand

33:26

but hey man you know we gonna be alright with y'all

33:28

I mean we out in space so they could be like

33:30

hey we got magneto on our side you guys got to

33:33

like start but maybe I'm the only one who can turn

33:35

the lights back on and so even if you like look

33:37

I mean the thing is you'd be like look I got

33:39

a direct line that's my humming you know we go way

33:41

back I could talk to him for

33:43

y'all but if y'all y'all just got to leave us alone

33:45

for a little bit I'm saying that's the route they could

33:47

take ultimately though I think it's

33:50

kind of tough because again magneto is the only one who can do that

33:53

and without the use these super radical

33:55

eyes at this point at this point

33:57

so without the the earth's magnetic field

34:00

Everybody's cooked guys and this is why you can't

34:02

have all these fucking cameos if

34:04

I'm the X-Men I'm like yo

34:06

Captain America you have time to

34:09

harass rogue It's spider-man's just looking

34:11

up in the sky being like damn. That's a

34:13

trip. None of y'all want to help us out

34:15

Oh the Avengers don't care. None of y'all want

34:17

to help us out. Just a little mentally like

34:19

I mean, it's not their problem But like not

34:21

my Problem it is Problem

34:25

it is like that's my you know y'all got it

34:27

no kasey This is very much like that's what we need

34:30

but Joe me this is the problem in the Marvel

34:32

Universe Everybody's like it's not

34:34

our problem. It's a mutant problem. I'm like

34:36

no no you in problems are everyone's I'm

34:38

not saying I agree But I'm saying that's

34:40

clearly the sentiment cuz they like I oh

34:43

Yeah, that's my new it's how I

34:45

think I know was this podcast or another

34:47

podcast We're talking about the Backstreet building versus

34:49

vent or versus Avengers tower And when

34:51

the sky hole opens up above

34:54

Backstreet building they're like Oh Avengers like hey cool

34:56

Oh sound like we got an off day today Y'all

34:58

trying to go hit the shwarma bar or something I

35:00

guess just how that goes you know unfortunately So I'm

35:03

really sure what spider-man is gonna do in this scenario

35:05

You know a man like well Support spider-man

35:07

is one of the greatest heroes you don't think he

35:09

could just be like some of his

35:11

first of all Spider-man could probably get fun spot

35:13

out of here if we really I mean yeah You

35:16

know I'm saying so spot will beat the dog shit out of spot

35:19

This whoa comic book spun

35:22

sunspot, maybe this sunspot

35:24

He ain't built like that maybe not this

35:27

sunspot doesn't even really know what to do he was

35:29

like he apologizes the minute He was actually he was

35:31

actually well, okay. That was the way would you please

35:33

hold on nothing girl? No saying

35:35

like he was like no even look back. She's

35:37

like you want to say for me. He's like

35:40

actually I'm

35:42

done. I'm saying my parents walked over me so a

35:46

Lot of stuff happening obviously the X-Men are going

35:48

to figure it out Wolverine will probably be sidelined

35:50

if it's sidelined him the whole fucking Shows

35:53

you want, but you don't want solos. You

35:55

don't want solo Wolverine though. Which man you

35:57

just said like you know how Days

36:00

of Future Past basically becomes Wolverine movie, right? No, no,

36:02

no. It's not that I don't want Solo Wolverine. It's

36:04

just that my point

36:06

about Days of Future Past was that it's

36:09

a great movie, but if

36:12

there's one criticism of the movie for me is that the

36:14

movie does lose the weight

36:16

of the purpose of itself at a

36:18

certain point, just because about, you

36:20

know, whatever. I'm not, hey,

36:23

Days of Future Past is great. What I'm

36:25

saying what this is able to

36:27

do is because it is

36:29

so much about all of the characters, the

36:33

danger and the fear gets

36:35

spread out between everyone.

36:37

Everyone has their own,

36:40

oh shit, what is going on? Everyone

36:42

has their own little arc. Even

36:44

when Xavier comes back and he's talking

36:46

to Cyclops and Gene and he's like, oh

36:49

my God, I thought about this for you. I thought about that for you.

36:51

I'm thinking, yo, what a dick. Like

36:53

he's been working the whole time to be

36:56

the leader of the X-Men and you leave and give it to

36:58

Magneto so they could go have a life together. Did they tell

37:01

you they wanted that? Like what do

37:03

you, what do you, and why don't you just influence

37:05

the president? What do you

37:07

do, nigga? It's like, this was

37:09

a bad Xavier episode. I'm not

37:11

going to lie. Yeah, terrible, terrible.

37:14

They got it. I think, I mean, and this is

37:16

something we talked to, talked to about Kerman, we did

37:18

the X-Men draft. Magneto

37:20

being right, like the Magneto was right

37:22

sentiment. It's always been reading through comics.

37:25

People have always like chanted that like

37:27

kind of facetiously, right? Like Magneto was

37:29

right. This series not

37:32

only is like doubling down, tripling down, it

37:34

has made that sentiment its entire

37:36

ethos. Magneto was right. That's

37:39

the through line of this entire show so far.

37:41

It is yet to show us that Xavier is

37:43

right. Magneto is only right though. This is the

37:45

thing. I want

37:47

to do a whole episode on whether or not Magneto is

37:49

right. I do. Magneto is

37:51

only right because the X-Men are your

37:54

protagonists. If you

37:56

are some kid in Aurora,

37:58

Illinois, they just want to be there. want to go

38:00

to McDonald's and there is no McDonald's

38:02

because Magneto destroyed the magnetic field of the earth.

38:04

He's the bad guy because he took my happy

38:06

meals away. Right, it's like Magneto is only right

38:08

because the X-Men are protagonists. I don't know about

38:10

this. I don't know about this. The better way

38:12

to do it is Xavier's way. No it's not.

38:15

What are you talking about? Trying to figure

38:17

out how people can live together in peace and harmony is not the

38:19

right way? Not

38:21

when the majority of my people are nuked

38:23

out of existence. We're about to talk about Planet of

38:26

the Apes next step. I'm

38:28

just saying if Xavier's way is the

38:30

right way of doing it, why

38:33

do millions of

38:35

mutants keep dropping dead? Well, okay, here's

38:38

the deal. When

38:40

I say the right way, the right way

38:42

in my opinion is

38:45

always peace, reconciliation, and

38:48

moving forward. That's always the right way. Now,

38:50

there are different ways to get to that.

38:52

I mean, we're just looking at historically who

38:55

tends to be the winners and who tends to

38:57

be the people who get to... No, Dr. King.

39:00

Dr. King won. Get to... I

39:03

mean, he didn't win personally. Okay, no, no, no. It

39:05

was tough for him. It was tough for him. Just

39:07

rest it on him. Backed away from the mic. Y'all

39:09

got it. I was like, bro. Hold on, hold on,

39:11

hold on. Y'all got it. All

39:13

right, man. All right, man. All right, man.

39:16

All right, man. All right, man. All

39:19

right, man. All right, man. All

39:21

right, man. The Civil Rights Act,

39:23

the Voting Act, like

39:26

everything that he was able to do

39:28

with LBJ, Dr. King's dream has not

39:31

been fulfilled, but his

39:33

aim of getting full citizenship

39:35

for African-Americans codified into law and

39:37

the way that he went about

39:40

that, certainly, certainly

39:43

his way worked. Did it not?

39:46

You think in 2024, the

39:48

American government treats black people like we

39:50

got full citizenship? Because if they did,

39:52

we would like... I remember them summers

39:55

when we was out there and motherfuckers

39:57

cared more about buildings being destroyed. Do

40:01

you think that black

40:05

people in America are better off after

40:08

Dr. King or before Dr. King? I

40:11

mean, let

40:13

me, let me shut my mouth.

40:15

All right. Now on the news.

40:17

No, I'm the king. Let me shut my mouth. All

40:20

right. We love that. We love

40:22

that. These are the questions. What a great

40:24

show. What a fantastic show. All

40:27

right. Nerd News. Guess

40:29

what, Chopped? We

40:49

have our Superman. His name is, I

40:51

forget. David Cornswood. Cornswood?

40:54

Cornswood. We get our

40:57

first view with him as Superman in a very controversial

40:59

photo. Then you were the first one to react

41:01

in the Ringerverse group chat. Do you want

41:03

to be honest about your feelings on our first

41:05

look at the new Superman? I don't like the

41:07

suit. That's okay. Is it Collargate?

41:09

It's, it's, it's no good. I don't like it.

41:11

I don't like it. I don't like

41:13

it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I

41:16

don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

41:19

I don't like it. I don't like it. I

41:21

don't like it. It's it. No

41:23

collar. Collars back. Collars out.

41:25

What's wrong with the collar? What's wrong with the collar?

41:28

I'm like Superman don't need a fucking pop my collar.

41:31

It's like he don't know. I did see

41:33

somebody did mock it up with Dr. Collar and I was

41:35

like, I do enjoy that a little better.

41:37

He was here to see how that's a problem. I don't think a

41:39

problem. Good. Collar is a problem.

41:41

I was down really quick. Like, let's go through

41:44

this. I got some creases in it. It

41:46

is fitting. If

41:49

we're being weird. Like it's a wall. If we're

41:51

being real like in terms of Superman

41:54

suits. This is like when

41:56

motherfuckers was wearing like Jinko jeans

41:58

and like. the

42:00

real ex-seals and the real... I was just my

42:02

beginner, like, we couldn't get a little bit

42:04

more of a... A little tight fit. when

42:27

it comes to the character of Clark Kent. Looks

42:30

like like he's putting boots on in

42:33

this picture. Did you ever think about Superman

42:35

putting his shit on? No, ever? Superman put

42:37

his shit on? No cuz that shit's BORING.

42:39

Like, do you think he's ever gonna have

42:42

a honey-wears-my-super-suit moment? because that's kind of like

42:44

just what after this point... this moment is

42:46

in this photo? Yeah! But I think... I

42:48

think where... I'm struggling with this is that...

42:51

here's the thing, the movie will probably be fired. James Gunn

42:53

has made a lot of great movies. I just think as

42:56

a first... look... had

42:59

a little bit too much dip on their chip, did a little

43:01

too much, whatever is going on in

43:03

the background... It

43:05

doesn't look great. People say that it was a

43:07

DBZ fight happening. Yeah! I was like... I was

43:09

like... cuz here's the thing, sometimes it's like... whenever

43:11

we like get a new Batman or whatever, sometimes...

43:13

I'm like, motherfuckers just throw him on a neutral

43:15

background and just like show his back. Make it

43:17

black and white? Yeah, just show him that like

43:20

he has the shit. Like, don't get overcomplicated. So

43:22

here's the thing, you know, guys... This

43:24

picture is put up here for us to pick apart. Yes,

43:26

that's what it's done. It's everything. This

43:29

is good for the production right now.

43:31

The fact that we're having this conversation about whether or not we

43:33

like to suit, it's good for the

43:36

production. They want to maintain interest

43:38

in this production and

43:40

Superman every single week,

43:42

every single month, every single frame that

43:44

they shoot. They want to make sure

43:46

that we are invested. So when a

43:48

trailer drops, the trailer goes crazy. The

43:51

teaser, then when the full trailer drops, and then all the

43:53

way we get, we're buoyed all

43:55

the way into summer. We'll probably get a

43:58

full trailer at the end. Super Bowl

44:01

probably get a teaser before that full trailer

44:03

at Super Bowl and then for the rest of things probably like

44:05

on the same Schedule as

44:07

Deadpool and just looking at the picture.

44:09

I Think

44:12

it says a lot to Steve's point about the Superman

44:14

that they want to be on screen This

44:16

is not a hero shot. This is

44:18

not a perfect view of Superman. This

44:21

is an imperfect view of Superman You can't even

44:23

see his muscles Right.

44:25

And so be the suit looks a little

44:27

dirty It's a very human

44:29

looking picture of Superman. I think that's

44:31

intentional. I don't think we were supposed

44:34

to like this suit I

44:36

think we're supposed to I'm being serious like Chuck I

44:38

like I don't think we're supposed to like this suit.

44:40

I think we're supposed to be a little

44:43

bit intrigued It's supposed to look a little

44:45

odd James Gunn has a particular aesthetic as

44:47

well And people don't really talk about that as much

44:49

when they're talking about him is talk about his pin But

44:51

they also don't kind of talk about how

44:53

his movies look The

44:56

fuck is up. No, no, it's because I've

44:58

seen photoshops of basically

45:01

The Guardians of the galaxy get up suit

45:03

and then they just slapped a Superman logo

45:05

on it and it's more or less what

45:07

this Is I'm saying I don't know that

45:09

we were necessarily supposed to like this. It

45:11

is interesting this though After

45:13

this suit came out. I

45:15

started to see pictures of David

45:18

Cornswit like shirtless like him.

45:20

I have bulked up. He is for Superman. So

45:22

maybe there was a Look

45:25

at this and people were going he doesn't look that impressive You

45:27

can't really see his physique and in how he's gonna how is

45:30

he gonna fill the suit out and then they're like, okay Just

45:32

want to show everybody he's doing his

45:34

same round of Testosterone that

45:36

everybody else does when they do these movies.

45:38

So he's bulking up I haven't

45:41

I don't know if I was supposed to like this, but I I

45:44

wasn't blown away by it You guys sent it a group. I

45:46

did I mean the way the suit looks like I said in

45:48

the group text like on first glance It

45:50

looks it doesn't look kind of weird looks kind of off

45:53

But I want to see it in action before

45:55

I go ahead and slap the terrible suit label

45:57

on it You know because it could be in

45:59

theory Great on screen and

46:02

he could look super swole and super great and it'd

46:04

be awesome But just off that first shot does leave

46:06

you a little wanting. I do I mean the only

46:08

thing I'm afraid of really in my only like my

46:10

big macro view of the suit is

46:12

I Think

46:14

James Gunn to your point does have an

46:16

aesthetic van. I'm just worried where I think

46:20

we are so burnt out on these movies that

46:22

I was hoping that This

46:25

would feel refreshing like Superman would be like a

46:27

palate cleanser and you can't judge too much about

46:29

this movie off of photo So I'm not but

46:32

I do think the photo kind of gave me

46:34

a like is this just gonna look like What

46:38

if James Gunn who directed Guardians of

46:40

the Galaxy just put that aesthetic on

46:42

Superman which I'll watch it

46:44

but it's Worrying a

46:46

little yeah Okay

46:51

Fantastic Steve. All right Bob

46:53

Iger misspelled here in the document.

46:56

Sorry Bob slowing Marvel's output to

46:58

two or three Movies

47:01

and no more than two shows a

47:03

year. So that means a maximum of

47:05

five projects A year

47:07

for Marvel Studios. What are the

47:09

thoughts from the Midnight Boys? You

47:12

guys can't see this but I'm dancing in my chair right

47:14

now. No more than two shows a year

47:16

fellas We're back Guys,

47:19

we're so back no more than two secret

47:21

invasions the year got I mean here's the

47:23

thing, right? Like yeah, we

47:25

could get two secret evasions a year, but

47:27

this I love this. This news is great.

47:29

This move this moves Just

47:32

warms my heart because it means

47:34

that they're hearing and they're listening. So you could

47:36

say Well the money they lost

47:38

a lot of money last year. They just go back. Come

47:40

on, bro This ain't news bro at

47:42

the same time like this ain't new But if you're

47:45

a fan of this content and you've been watching it

47:47

for you know ever since they started when the Disney

47:49

Plus Marvel shows you like the quote like The

47:52

stuff that works and stuff that doesn't

47:54

work is so far like

47:57

in in in in in how

48:00

Like the gap of quality is

48:03

immense between like Loki and

48:05

secret invasion, right? There's just it's like

48:08

a like the biggest Valley you can

48:10

imagine the Marianas trench down there and

48:12

how how vast the difference

48:14

of quality are. They can kind of move

48:17

at least something through the middle where like

48:20

in like the first couple phases where we

48:22

every time we'd left the movie, we're like,

48:24

hey, that was really fun. I had a

48:26

good time. And we went home and it

48:29

was great and it was fun. If they can

48:31

return just to that basic level,

48:33

I think we

48:35

could start to like start there and then

48:37

build up going forward. But this like, even

48:39

if we look at what they were releasing, I'm like, guys,

48:43

we were only going to get two to three movies

48:45

anyway, because there's not that many movies left

48:48

in this phase. I don't think that the I don't

48:50

think the immense problem is with the movies.

48:52

Obviously, the movies have been the biggest problem

48:54

for being. Well, movies have been lacking over

48:56

the past few years. That's true. But they're

48:58

not going to stop making movies

49:00

consistently. I think the bigger problem was with

49:02

they were making way too many shows way

49:05

too quickly and at a way

49:07

too steady of a clip to actually maintain

49:09

that quality. The two shows

49:12

a year is actually the like probably the

49:14

bigger revelation here because we had what like

49:16

it was one show after another after another.

49:18

We had five shows in 2021. Yeah,

49:21

five shows in 2021. I

49:23

don't want to give Marvel that much credit, but

49:25

I do think a lot of that was pandemic

49:27

and was like they did have that

49:29

like locked in low post end game. But like they

49:31

wanted to keep that going. And if it was more

49:33

successful than this, they would have the name of the

49:35

game was like, hey, we drop a new Disney show,

49:37

we get new subscribers. Let's just keep pumping that stuff

49:39

out. And obviously we looked at it and it was

49:41

like, all right, cool. The quality is

49:43

lacking for a lot of these things. These

49:46

shows being in production, two

49:48

or three movies. My,

49:50

my biggest question is what's

49:53

in, what level of production are

49:55

they going to be in? This is what I mean. Two

49:57

or three movies coming out is fine. That's

50:00

fine. They've done that before. Where

50:03

they were spread thin to me is how many

50:05

things they were concentrating on. So

50:07

it's like two or

50:09

three movies coming out is cool. What

50:12

I wanna know is have they slowed

50:14

down the amount of development and pre-pro

50:16

and all that other stuff that they're

50:18

doing because that is where the creatives,

50:21

Feige himself and other people were spread

50:23

thin. The way that they do

50:26

stuff, and you guys all have to go out and read Joanna's book,

50:29

the way they do stuff is so loose

50:31

and so connected to one guy that

50:33

if he doesn't have the opportunity

50:35

to run a fine-tooth comb through

50:38

all of the productions, then they don't seem

50:40

to be coherent and they don't seem to

50:42

be connected to each

50:44

other in a

50:46

way that makes a lot of sense.

50:48

So the question is how much is

50:50

not coming out, but how much

50:52

is on the plate? Because we won't feel the effects

50:55

of this until later. Well, yeah, because they could still

50:57

do two or three movies a year,

51:00

but still have like 15 things in pre-production

51:02

and development and all of these scripts coming out

51:05

and we don't know what's going on with Blade and blah,

51:07

blah, blah, blah. Have they tamped

51:10

back or held back the amount of projects that

51:13

they are endeavoring to do? So you

51:16

would know better than me industry-wise, but

51:18

this news to me is like good

51:20

spin in terms of actually

51:23

everything that is in production is already

51:25

in production. To me, I'm

51:27

like, they're talking about stuff that's gonna be

51:29

happening after King Dynasty and Secret Wars. Because

51:31

essentially, like those Avengers

51:33

movies are already in pre-production. They're

51:36

already, people have written

51:38

scripts, dropped out, whatever. So anything that

51:40

they're really talking about is going to

51:42

come out after and it's

51:45

like, are they working on that now?

51:47

Or are they like, we need to

51:49

get Blade right before we can keep

51:51

continuing with something like a wonder man.

51:53

If I'm talking to

51:55

him when he made this

51:57

revelation, what I say is, how many movies are

51:59

there? right now is Marvel have in some

52:02

various days of production. If we count it

52:04

down right now, what are the ones that

52:06

we're waiting on Fantastic Four? Fantastic Four, Blade.

52:09

Two Avengers movies. There are movies right now that

52:11

are shooting. Yeah, Blade's shooting.

52:13

Blade seemingly. Blade hasn't started shooting yet, I don't

52:16

think. Has it started shooting? I believe that they

52:18

were coming out. Thunderbolts.

52:20

Yes. I don't think that's, has that started shooting yet?

52:23

I don't think it has. Oh, no, I think it

52:25

has. Yeah, definitely has. Oh, yeah, it definitely has. Thunderbolts

52:27

has started shooting. Captain America

52:29

is almost finished. Yep. Yeah, it should be finished

52:31

by now. But they're still

52:33

in production on that. Fantastic

52:38

Four will start shooting later this summer,

52:40

if it hasn't already. I think it's

52:42

later this summer. Daredevil

52:44

is still shooting right now. Right.

52:46

I heard that every fucking comes out.

52:48

Wonder Man is still coming out, but

52:51

Wonder Man was shooting. Yeah. So the

52:53

question is, how many things are they up on?

52:56

Right. We're

53:01

forgetting X-Men is also probably, the wheels

53:04

are starting to turn. They haven't announced anyone yet,

53:06

but in a lot of the trades, they're saying

53:08

they're taking meetings. Let's not forget Armor Wars. Oh,

53:11

yeah. I don't know what the status

53:14

on Armor Wars is. Yeah. But that's

53:16

the thing. If they keep up

53:18

this clip, they're going to have to dead some

53:20

stuff. That's what I think is kind of the

53:22

thing that they really don't want to say,

53:25

because that's the negative connotation of we might

53:27

have to back off of

53:29

things we either announced or maybe we filmed

53:31

some of it. And like Iger and company

53:34

are just like, hey, let's just pull the

53:36

plug before we invest any more money.

53:38

The fact that they haven't cancelled Blade, which

53:41

feels wild, which felt

53:44

like ripe to get cancelled, right?

53:46

The fact that they haven't cancelled

53:48

Blade is telling to me that

53:52

some of these things that they said that they're

53:54

going to do, they don't know how to get

53:56

away from it. Well, I think Blade, because if

53:58

it was anybody that wasn't Mahershala, And like

54:02

I think it probably would be

54:04

easier, but I think the negative

54:06

blowback from canceling Blade Would

54:09

be too massive. I don't know about blowback. I

54:11

think it's just more of like they've actually committed

54:13

to So much for this that

54:15

they actually can't I mean money-wise I don't know like

54:17

you would know better than me how much money do

54:19

you think they already spent on Blade? Well, they've done

54:21

so much. They've hired a couple of screenwriters They

54:24

have him probably in the pair play But I

54:26

wonder how much money he's getting for being that

54:28

he it's a little bit of a different

54:30

situation normally in the

54:32

old Marvel you pay somebody

54:35

five hundred thousand for this role

54:37

at first or whatever, but you can't really do that

54:39

with him because He's so

54:41

established two-time Academy Award winner and

54:44

the character is so well known You

54:46

know the mean you can maybe give somebody like

54:49

what it it Chris Evans

54:51

got three hundred thousand dollars to be Captain

54:54

America, but I said a different point his

54:56

career. That's a bad man. That's for the

54:58

first one Yeah, like that different ramped up

55:00

like and if we're being honest if Mahershala

55:02

Mahershala blade comes out He's

55:04

instantly just in terms of star power one

55:06

of the biggest Yeah, it's

55:08

in their seat It's the last feather

55:11

in his cap is to be a big box office

55:13

guy Which is the reason why he's doing blade if

55:15

that's something that he's interested in I'm obviously he was

55:17

in those uh if you looked at his

55:19

box office, that would include the Hunger Games movies So oh so

55:23

it's kind of not the same But as far

55:25

as a lead box office draw like that's something

55:27

that he's probably interested in which is why he

55:30

Wanted to do the big money. I'm sure he wants to have

55:32

a House and seashells

55:34

or in the Maldives or something like that

55:36

So but yeah, so it's interesting.

55:38

They're probably they probably committed a lot of

55:40

money to it They've commissioned a couple of

55:42

different screenwriters His salary different

55:44

stuff. They probably don't want to back away from it.

55:46

But at the same time I

55:48

do think that There's

55:50

just still a thing with them that they do not

55:52

want to punt on too many things that they said

55:55

that they were gonna do like The

55:58

Agatha Harkness show and went through five

56:01

different titles or whatever, they just don't want

56:03

to say, hey, we thought we wanted to

56:05

do it, and we don't want to

56:07

do it now. And it starts to feel like a

56:09

weird pride thing at this point, because the fact that

56:11

Marvel hasn't backed down audibly from

56:13

anything, and the only thing that we've heard them back

56:15

down from is when Iger was just like, yeah, we

56:17

had to secretly kill some things that we didn't believe

56:19

in that much, which we don't know what those were,

56:22

and we might not know what those are. I mean,

56:24

we don't hear about Armor of War. They just might

56:26

not say shit. Yeah,

56:28

they might not say anything. Do you remind me

56:30

of Agatha? That comes out later this year, right?

56:33

Yeah. So I'm just like, even that

56:35

show is interesting to me, because I'm just like, let's

56:37

say Deadpool and Wolverine does what it needs to do.

56:39

Mm-hmm. Does Agatha

56:41

coming after it just kind

56:43

of put them back if Agatha is not a great

56:46

show? Look,

56:49

I think they need sustained excellence again.

56:51

Yeah, we're on a pass-fail basis with

56:53

Marvel at this point. I think that

56:55

it's more of a like, okay, how

56:57

much actual energy and excitement do we

56:59

have on a consistent basis? The question

57:01

about the Agatha show or a show

57:03

like that, it's not... It's

57:05

like, how good would it have to be? It

57:09

just doesn't have to be... It has

57:11

to be okay. It doesn't have to be that

57:13

good, right? Like, how good does Agatha... How much

57:15

do you even know? We don't even...

57:17

Right, yeah. The characters, how good does that show have

57:19

to be? That show... Who kills a

57:22

shit? Like, the show could come out... Anything

57:24

that they get out of that show to me is... But

57:28

that would have been... Even saying that

57:30

in 2024, it shows you how far the

57:32

MCU has fallen, because we went from thinking

57:34

everything was important to be like, fuck

57:37

that Agatha show. Like, not really. We're not saying

57:39

that, but it's like, it's not important. I mean,

57:41

that... You're right about that, but I think that

57:43

has to do with two things. Number one, anytime

57:46

there's more... Think

57:48

of your favorite fucking... You

57:51

guys ever had an upstart food chain? Are

57:53

y'all old enough for a food chain to

57:55

exist during your lives where

57:57

the food chain started? Yes. Uh, yeah. food

58:00

chain started during your life.

58:02

Oh, what's the one I always hated it

58:04

was, it was Chipotle. It was, I remember

58:06

Chipotle. I remember Chipotle. Yeah. Chipotle.

58:09

I remember Chipotle. And then I remember what's the other one

58:11

that's not as good. Mexican. Oh,

58:13

oh yeah. Kudoba. Kudoba. I

58:16

remember both of them popping up. And I was just like, Kudoba

58:18

is trash. But they have, Kudoba, they have

58:20

a little salsa. They have, what was the other one? There's

58:22

another one that used to be right there. Baja Fresh? Baja

58:24

Fresh. I remember all that. I don't know about it. I

58:27

remember Baja Fresh. Baja Fresh was never good. Baja Fresh, rest

58:29

in peace, man. I used to like Baja Fresh. My

58:32

guys popped up in my lifetime as well. Popped

58:34

up in your lifetime. Okay, so they

58:36

pop up and then they got one. When I

58:38

first tasted Chipotle, I thought it

58:40

was the craziest shit I ever, I was like, this

58:43

shit is crazy good. As

58:45

more Chipolays come out. Yeah, yeah.

58:47

And then also we forget. Everybody

58:50

got sick that one time. Yeah,

58:52

they were couple. The price of the food was.

58:55

Yeah, as more Chipolays come out, the

58:58

first time Uber comes out, when

59:00

Uber first started, Uber was a revelation. It was

59:02

giving away, right? Yeah, like the whole thing. And

59:04

then the more times Uber, you

59:06

have Uber, you have guys that are talking to

59:08

you, could people get fucked up in Ubers, the

59:11

whole nine. So there is going to be, just

59:14

with more Marvel shows, the

59:17

chance that these shows would

59:19

not be as good as the old stuff. It's

59:22

just that we got to a point where they were all bad.

59:25

Like, you know what I mean? And just to be honest, like, we

59:27

got to a point if we were

59:29

like, if there were three Marvel shows a year, two

59:31

of them were good, one of them was, but

59:34

we were going through sustained

59:36

crap. Like none of them

59:39

were good. And the ones that were good,

59:43

they were felt good in a moment. And after we thought

59:45

about them, it was like, I'm not really

59:47

fucking with that like that. That doesn't give me

59:49

the feeling. So I think with more stuff, there's

59:51

going to be more things that we don't enjoy.

59:53

So I'm not that. I think everything

59:56

rests in the, I think

59:58

all the eggs are in Dampel and Wolverine. needs

1:00:00

a basket. At least to get some gas in

1:00:03

the tank for this one. That scares me though.

1:00:05

I'm like, each trailer, I'm like, we might be

1:00:07

putting two, like we, maybe we should just enjoy

1:00:09

this movie. An unfair amount of it. Yeah. I'm

1:00:11

just like, I don't know if this movie was

1:00:13

built to save the MCU until the MCU

1:00:16

was down bad. And now everybody's like, if

1:00:19

this one doesn't work, the whole, and

1:00:21

I'm just like, guys, just let Deadpool and Wolverine be

1:00:23

what it is. I think they learned, they

1:00:26

learned how they learned that the movie was

1:00:29

what it was while they were doing it.

1:00:32

I think when the movie was, when they first formulated

1:00:34

it, they thought they were doing some, they

1:00:36

thought they were doing something that was like a little

1:00:39

bit off kilter and it was like a kind of

1:00:41

a cool thing. Fuck with the Deadpool and Wolverine. But

1:00:43

I think the narrative around

1:00:45

Marvel changed in pre-pro and in the production

1:00:47

of the movie. That's why you hear things

1:00:49

like I'm Marvel Jesus and all

1:00:52

of this stuff. You

1:00:54

see production back up right after

1:00:56

the strike because it started and

1:00:58

then strike happens. Oh, first

1:01:00

of all, it wasn't even called Deadpool

1:01:02

and Wolverine. It's so fairly recently,

1:01:04

like the names were like changing. Like it was

1:01:07

like, Oh, Deadpool three. Oh, and then I was

1:01:09

just like, Oh, it's Deadpool Wolverine. Now. And I'm

1:01:11

like, Oh, okay. So to your point, I do feel

1:01:14

like they were probably like, Oh no, this is, needs

1:01:16

to be bigger. I mean, they probably also learned

1:01:19

from Dr. Strange and multiverse of madness and kind

1:01:21

of being like, and hopefully, Quantum Mania, we got

1:01:25

to give the audience what they want. We can't

1:01:27

be pitching it as one thing. And then you

1:01:29

get into your seat and be like, it's not

1:01:31

that big of a, we're talking about Deadpool. We'll

1:01:34

got to have this. We're talking about Deadpool and Wolverine. The

1:01:37

real movie that to

1:01:39

me, is

1:01:41

the proof of concept to what Marvel can do is

1:01:43

the fantastic four. I think that's, that's

1:01:46

the thing that no, no, no, no,

1:01:48

you have to. That's the one that

1:01:50

to me will really be

1:01:54

the limits test for that. Do or die. So you

1:01:56

don't have to get it right. Yeah. Because I think

1:01:58

that's probably one. a lot of people are

1:02:01

still in the bag for Marvel right now. I

1:02:03

think you have to think about next

1:02:05

year. I think next year might be

1:02:07

one of the most consequential years in

1:02:09

superhero movies, because on the DC side,

1:02:11

you have this hero that they have

1:02:13

failed to turn into a relevant box

1:02:16

office star for so long. And he's

1:02:18

an all American classic hero. And then

1:02:20

at Marvel, you have their all American

1:02:22

classic heroes that they failed. So I

1:02:24

do think that it's like, if

1:02:26

both of those movies don't do what they

1:02:28

need to do, I do think we start having

1:02:31

a different conversation of like, is

1:02:33

this just it? Tough. I was

1:02:35

kind of hoping that the X-Men would be that, but. The

1:02:38

X-Men, it's gonna take too long. The X-Men, the X-Men will

1:02:40

take too long. I want people to remember

1:02:42

something else, man. It's

1:02:44

like, superhero movies

1:02:47

will always be around, but

1:02:49

there have been other genre

1:02:52

of, genres of big Hollywood

1:02:54

films that have coming on. The

1:02:56

Western. The

1:02:58

Western, the big

1:03:01

solo action hero guy. The

1:03:03

action hero age. The Stallones of the world. The

1:03:05

Stallones. Even just nerd content. I'm like, there's different

1:03:07

phases of sci-fi movies. It wasn't always just Star

1:03:09

Wars. You have Star Wars and people are like,

1:03:12

fuck Star Wars. And then you have Matrix and

1:03:14

you've got term. It's like, there will always be

1:03:16

nerd content, but I think we are a little

1:03:18

too precious being like, it has to be Marvel

1:03:20

and it has to be DC. I'm like, there

1:03:22

will be other nerd shit that people are like,

1:03:24

hey, no, this is actually kind of like, perfect

1:03:26

example, when the Michael B. Jordan vampire movie comes

1:03:28

out, we all might be like, hey,

1:03:32

we want more single story, like

1:03:34

big directors, big actors taking their

1:03:36

swings at vampire movies, alien

1:03:38

movies, and that is fine. That's true.

1:03:41

All right, guys, that is a wrap.

1:03:44

This Friday, the Midnight Boys will be back again to

1:03:46

give you their instant reactions to Kingdom of the Planet

1:03:48

of the Apes, also on Friday. The House of War

1:03:50

will be giving you their vampire tropes course, and

1:03:53

on Monday, in addition returns to give

1:03:55

you their Star Wars Five on Five, which I'm very

1:03:57

excited about. Don't forget to check.

1:04:00

Say it like that, bro. Every

1:04:02

time. Don't forget to

1:04:04

check out tickets for the Ringer residency,

1:04:06

featuring the Ringerverse. Tickets go live next

1:04:08

week. Credits, our producer is Steve, the

1:04:10

architect, Almond. Jommie, a dinner

1:04:12

on social media, has that Glaze report, Jommie.

1:04:15

It's not even, it was him, why me? What a

1:04:17

wonderful production from our Juno Ram Capal. Charles, take us

1:04:19

out. Magneto was right.

1:04:23

Cyclops is shooting his father with

1:04:25

lasers. And Dan has to

1:04:27

relax as the X-Men's number

1:04:30

one blazer. Bitch, boo!