0:01

Check one one to check one

0:04

one to check check check

0:07

check is this on? Tell

0:09

me tell me when we are we're

0:12

rolling, and we will go ahead

0:15

and start microphone

0:18

check one two one two

0:21

two Micronesia, Micronesia,

0:25

Philodendron, Philodendron

0:28

one two one to one two.

0:31

However the levels are we getting good levels? Just

0:33

just tell me when we're ready, okay, tell

0:35

me. M

0:43

hmm. That's a good apple. Oh

0:48

ah,

0:55

nothing like an apple and coffee. Look

0:59

down when we're rolling. We're going, we

1:01

are, okay. Why didn't anyone say anything?

1:05

Just tell me when we're rolling? We

1:08

were rolling since when this

1:11

whole time crap? Come

1:13

on, Nick, Jeez Louise.

1:19

Okay, so we're rolling. Thumbs

1:22

up from Nick rolling

1:24

Okay, m hm, I

1:26

gotta chopped down this apple. Yeah.

1:37

Hello friends. This is ron Burgundy

1:39

and this is the ron Burgundy

1:41

Podcast. Que music, I

1:46

said, que music. We

1:49

don't we don't have music. Okay,

1:52

we need to work on that. Hm. Once

1:56

again, this is Ron Burgundy and you're listening

1:58

to the Ron Burgundy po Guest. This

2:01

is our initial launch into the

2:03

podcast space, and I I want

2:06

to welcome you, the listener to

2:08

this journey. We are about to take

2:11

together a journey

2:13

that I think you will find fascinating,

2:16

I hope, informative, and

2:18

at times terrifying.

2:23

I know that right now I'm a little terrified

2:25

because I don't know what a podcast

2:28

is. When

2:30

the men in the gray suits approached me about

2:32

recording my voice for a series of

2:34

discussions, musings, interviews,

2:37

et cetera, my curiosity was piqued,

2:40

so I asked, is this played

2:43

out on the radio? They

2:45

said no. Then I

2:47

thought, well, okay, well,

2:49

we'll just record it on a bunch of cassette

2:52

tapes and mail them out and hope that

2:54

we get the money back, sort of an honor

2:56

system. The men in the gray suits

2:59

all laughed and said, Ron, this is why

3:01

you're a genius. And I

3:03

said, well, I'll never correct you on that

3:05

statement again shrieks

3:08

of laughter. This meeting

3:11

was going well, and I wasn't about

3:13

to admit that I still didn't

3:15

have the faintest idea of what a

3:17

podcast was. I'll

3:20

be honest. It had been a while since I had had a meeting

3:23

like this where people were interested

3:25

in what I had to say, and I

3:27

thought it was entertaining. It

3:29

felt good. How

3:31

did they find out where I lived.

3:34

Can it Ron don't ruin the good vibes,

3:36

I thought to myself. The

3:38

men in the gray suits said I would have complete

3:41

and utter journalistic control

3:43

over all of my podcasts. And with

3:45

that they left, and

3:47

here we are, just you

3:50

and me and a whole buttload of

3:52

time to discuss anything, and I

3:54

mean anything, by

3:57

the way, I did look up the meaning of podcasts.

3:59

It is a digital audio file made

4:02

available on the Internet for downloading

4:04

to a computer or mobile device,

4:07

typically available as a series

4:09

new installments of which can be received

4:12

by subscribers automatically.

4:14

So they're easy, right, So

4:17

I just speak into the microphone and

4:19

then a digital audio file

4:22

is constructed by by Nick,

4:24

our engineer, and then he delivers it by

4:27

car or airplane to the Internet, and

4:29

then those guys do their thing and

4:32

whammo, instant podcast. Every

4:36

installment will be an adventure that

4:38

I will rip into like a juicy

4:40

Porterhouse steak, just

4:42

like the ones they've served at Balbonado's

4:45

just north of Old Town in San Diego.

4:48

Since nineteen Jim and Jackie

4:50

Balbonado have been serving the greatest cuts

4:53

of meat and wild game. And

4:55

listen to this, They've only been

4:57

shut down eleven times.

5:00

That's pretty good considering they have a whole

5:02

roasted camel on the menu. Anyone

5:06

who has tried to prepare and cook camel

5:08

meat knows it just doesn't keep

5:11

balbonados. When it's time

5:14

to find, dine and drink a little wine,

5:16

it's balbonados. What's

5:18

that? I can't I

5:21

can't read my own ads? Okay, well, no

5:23

one told me that, so sorry.

5:29

The voice that you're hearing in the back there is

5:31

Carolina. Carolina is our

5:33

show producer, and just she's a fantastic

5:35

lady. And why don't why

5:37

don't you get a little close to the mike so everyone can hear you.

5:40

Okay, there you go. Great,

5:42

Hello Carolina, how do you? How do you feel about the show?

5:45

Oh? I think it'll be

5:47

pretty good. I don't know. I mean it's sort

5:49

of up to you. Ron. Well, I think

5:52

it'll be up to all of us, you know, to

5:55

pull our own weight. Uh yeah,

5:58

but still it's your podcast a

6:00

right. But now now I feel

6:03

weird like you're judging me. No, no, no, I'm

6:05

not. This is weird. Sorry.

6:07

I don't mean to be weird. I just know it is. I think the show

6:09

is going to be great. I feel weird, like I don't

6:11

want to continue. Ron stop,

6:14

You're fine, the show is gonna be great. Do

6:18

you mean that you're not just saying that, let's just

6:20

have a great first podcast.

6:22

Okay, yes, okay,

6:24

yeah, let's just get this one down. Nick

6:28

the engineer will make sure he downloads

6:30

it into the audio file and he delivers

6:32

it to the fine men and women at

6:35

the Internet, and then we can breathe a sigh

6:37

of relief. No,

6:39

that sounds great. Oh

6:41

my god. Yes, okay,

6:45

once again our producer Carolina. She

6:48

is top notch, a real smart

6:50

cookie. Went to Sarah Lawrence,

6:53

which I always thought was a made up school.

6:56

No, it's real school. Very

6:58

good. Great. Did you

7:00

like your time at Sarah Lawrence Oh yeah, no,

7:02

it was so fascinating. I studied American

7:04

literature from the nineteenth century

7:07

and um then I got actually an

7:09

internship at npr UM and

7:11

from then on I

7:13

moved to US. Is there a

7:15

Tom Jones University? No,

7:19

I don't think I don't think there is. Maybe

7:22

in Scotland. I don't know. Well,

7:25

I think there should be one, especially if Sarah

7:27

Lawrence got her own school. You

7:29

know, like I said,

7:31

this will be a journey, and

7:33

I want to be upfront with you. We're

7:35

gonna make some mistakes along the way. I

7:38

may get a factor two wrong, but I will

7:40

always issue an apology in Carolina, will

7:42

fact check us at the end of each broadcast. And

7:45

finally, I want to thank you

7:47

the listener, for indulging

7:50

me on what could become the greatest

7:52

chapter of my career or complete

7:55

and utter failure in

7:58

some ways. And I don't want to come off crasp,

8:00

but now I think I know how

8:03

Neil Armstrong felt. One

8:06

giant step for man, one

8:08

giant leap for all

8:11

the other people.

8:15

Powerful words from

8:17

a powerful man. So please

8:21

come with me. Let me be

8:23

your Neil Armstrong or your

8:25

Lance Armstrong or any of the Armstrongs.

8:27

Let me guide you to the truth by

8:30

doing the only thing I know how to do. Speak

8:33

from my fart. Damn it,

8:36

I'm meant to say hard. We

8:39

can we can edit that out right, Okay, thank

8:41

god? Okay, I

8:44

wrote, I wrote hart, and I wrote I even

8:46

wrote a symbol of

8:48

art, but I was I'm nervous. So

8:52

all right, let's take some calls. Caller number

8:54

one, you're on with Ron Burgundy. What's on your mind colors,

8:58

No colors. No, okay,

9:00

So and let me ask what why aren't

9:03

their callers? No, they're not any

9:05

callers because there won't be any callers

9:07

on this because we

9:10

didn't get the phone lines set up. No,

9:13

because people aren't listening in real time.

9:15

Check got it? Okay,

9:18

no callers. Great.

9:21

So for our first episode, I've decided

9:23

we'll lean on the old podcast forum that

9:26

never ceases to fail. Yes,

9:29

that of the true crime podcast

9:32

They're incredibly popular, wouldn't

9:34

you say, Carolina. Yeah, probably the most popular

9:37

podcasts have to do with true

9:39

crime investigations. There's no

9:42

question. I mean, yeah, there's other

9:44

popular genres, but but it's

9:47

white hot. The true crime podcast

9:49

form is white hot. Sure.

9:52

I mean it's not just hitting. It's been a trend

9:54

for probably at least three four

9:56

years. But it's molten white hot. It's

9:59

good. It's a it's like a bucket full

10:01

of lava. It's an

10:03

okay thing to choose for an episode. Everyone

10:06

wants to know about the sickos out there. That's

10:08

the bottom line, what they've done

10:10

and what they'll do next. I

10:13

know you listeners out there are sitting in your cars

10:15

right now eating some cold hummus wrap

10:17

from old Foods, waiting for

10:20

the blood splatter analysis. And

10:22

I've got it and it's bloody

10:25

and it's everywhere. Boy

10:28

is it disgusting? And

10:30

with that, Welcome to true crime.

10:34

But first let's do

10:36

our movie reviews segment. A star

10:39

is born. Someone

10:41

finally told my story.

10:44

I've never spoken to Bradley Cooper, but

10:46

he obviously knows who I am. I

10:49

used to hide my singing voice, just like

10:52

Google Gaga, but now I'm

10:54

more brazen than ever. There

10:56

aren't enough stories out there about

10:58

straight, white, red blooded males.

11:00

And when I saw that my story was finally

11:03

being told, I tell you

11:05

I was shaken in my boots. That

11:07

being said, I did leave as soon as

11:09

I finished my popcorn, got

11:11

some more, and then drove home. So

11:14

I didn't quite finishing them. Is that how

11:17

you see movies? Once I'm done

11:19

about popcorn? A bounce? Oh

11:22

that's so. Yeah, you can just get popcorn at

11:24

home. And that's

11:26

just the way I've done it. I can't teach

11:29

the old dog new tricks. Yeah

11:32

sure, I just I think you want to know what happens.

11:35

But Google Gaga is a real talent. I'm

11:37

just telling you, right, now right, it's Lady Gaga,

11:41

but her first name is Google. I think

11:43

her name is Stephanie. Actually, then

11:46

why does she go by Lady Google Gaga? Lady

11:49

Gaga? And I think it's just more of

11:51

like a stage name. She's a pop star. Oh,

11:53

it's a stage name. It's like a name

11:55

you have to actors have to do because

11:57

their name is already taken by the Screen Actors Guild,

12:00

things like that. Yeah, sure, so

12:02

someone had already taken Stephanie. No,

12:05

I think it's more she wanted to perform

12:08

as Lady Gaga, So why would

12:10

she choose the name Lady Gaga?

12:13

Um, you know what, That's something you'd

12:15

have to ask her when that's a whole

12:17

another podcast. So

12:21

back to our murder episode. Carolina,

12:24

let's let's go ahead and take a collar. Oh

12:26

no, we can't take a collar. Christ

12:28

Carolina, do you

12:30

pay these producers to say? No? I

12:33

get that for free at home with my wife.

12:40

Are you are you married?

12:42

No? But for the sake of the joke,

12:44

I am we are.

12:47

We're going to take a look at a few cases. Um,

12:51

some of these will shock you, disturb

12:53

you, and most of all perplex you. But

12:56

we'll get to the bottom of them all.

13:00

First up, Q Scary Music, Thank

13:05

you. This one

13:08

is a murder case in Arizona.

13:11

A woman named Mackenzie Rothkamp

13:13

was accused of murdering her husband,

13:16

Harold Rothcamp two

13:18

knife jabs in the chest. Police

13:21

found Mackenzie's fingerprints on

13:23

the knife that was later identified

13:27

as the murder weapon, and

13:29

after her rest, they interrogated

13:32

her for a cool twenty minutes.

13:36

In the interrogation room, Mackenzie

13:39

confessed that, preceding

13:41

a jealous row, she did

13:44

indeed kill him.

13:46

The jury sentenced her to twenty

13:48

to life and that was that.

13:54

So we got we got one down. We

13:56

did one. However, any other details

13:58

like do we know the if the confession

14:01

was coerced, or if the fingerprints were just on

14:03

the knife because it was her knife at

14:05

home, or you know what I think. We

14:07

just trust the process. You know. It seems like everyone

14:10

did their job. It's a beautiful

14:12

system, zero holes

14:14

in it. Yeah, okay,

14:16

I mean this was our investigative. Let's move Let's

14:18

move on to the next. Q

14:22

Scary Music. A

14:25

series of gruesome murders

14:27

in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Betrayal

14:31

of blood led the detectives

14:33

to their victims bodies, and

14:35

the murderer was later identified

14:38

as local bartender Fred

14:41

Oxhorn. Wait wait, wait, wait, hold on,

14:43

Fred Oxhorn. It was

14:45

in wait Fred Oxhorn by

14:48

the stars of c G. I it's

14:51

Fred. Oh, Fred,

14:53

I know Fred. I love Fred. Are

14:56

you serious? You know Fred? You

14:58

know him? Yeah? He was one of my favorite

15:01

bartenders in Pasadena. He

15:04

bartender to the thirty five. He's

15:06

great, what

15:08

a great guy. I think he's

15:10

a really reading this file

15:13

was shockingly violent. I mean, if

15:14

if it was after last call, he'd take us

15:17

to his shed in the back for a drink. He's is

15:19

a beautiful collection of animal hides. Yes,

15:24

and there's no way he did this. Not my Fred,

15:26

not my Fred Oxhorn. I

15:29

think he confessed. And if

15:31

it is him, I bet there's an explanation that

15:34

reminds me. By the way, I've got to call

15:37

Fred. Call Fred, Carolina,

15:40

please remind me before I leave today. I've got

15:42

to call Fred Oxhorn to

15:45

set up a lunch date. Sure, I

15:48

think he's in prison. We're

15:50

going hiking and the Hands of

15:52

Brego Desert. Okay, onto

15:54

the next one. Mm HMQ

15:58

scary music. This

16:02

one is called the Zodiac Killer, a

16:05

serial killer who taunted the press

16:07

with bizarre codes that looked

16:09

like little hipster tattoos. Interesting

16:13

background for the Zodiac Killer. He

16:15

was raised in Houston, Texas, and

16:17

he actually attended Princeton and

16:20

then Harvard Law. Pretty

16:23

impressive. He worked in the

16:25

White House for George W. Bush, was

16:27

instrumental in the two thousand Florida

16:29

presidential recount, and

16:32

is now working as a senator

16:34

in Texas. Born Raphael

16:36

Edward Cruz, he changed his name

16:39

to appear more American and

16:41

is now called Ted Cruz,

16:44

and he's doing quite well for himself. His

16:46

wife just revealed that they cannot afford a second

16:48

home. But to suffer is to

16:50

be human. So that Chris

16:53

goes to show it doesn't matter how many people

16:55

you kill in San Francisco, you'll be justified.

16:59

Interest. These are fascinating,

17:01

their bone chilling. They

17:04

are chilling me to the bone. Yeah.

17:07

I mean that one is the Zodiac

17:10

Killer, a k A. Ted Cruise,

17:13

Senator Ted Cruz. So

17:15

that's who that is. Well, it's actually

17:18

that's more of an Internet There's

17:22

not a lot of evidence. Two,

17:25

but I just read the evidence. I

17:27

mean, this is something you wrote. I

17:29

mean attended Princeton then Harvard Law.

17:33

Add that up. Those

17:35

people are nuts. That's

17:38

a crazy combination there. That's

17:40

a lethal cocktail. Princeton

17:44

and Harvard Law. Cuck. I

17:46

just think that's a smart person, probably, I

17:48

mean, not that he. These

17:50

cases have been fascinating. I

17:53

mean they seem pretty open and closed. Um

17:57

yeah, but you know the murder cases. I

18:00

just thought we would have cases that were a little more perplexing

18:02

that we could go in. I found them all astonishing

18:06

and perplexing. I

18:09

don't know, great work, this was

18:11

wonderful. In fact, this

18:13

is all your stuff, like you wrote this on your phone.

18:15

I know. I'm telling myself. Great work, Ron, great

18:18

work. If you're listening

18:20

in your car, why don't you pull over to arrest

18:23

up? And it's a good time to take a year

18:25

nation break like I'm going to do right

18:27

now. We'll be right back and

18:33

we are back here at the Ron Burgundy

18:36

Podcast. We are doing a very

18:39

very intriguing podcast today

18:42

where we have been talking about

18:44

true crimes, cold

18:46

case murders, and it is so

18:49

far, so good, right Carolina, I

18:51

think we're knocking it out of the park. Yeah, No,

18:53

I mean there's some factual stuff

18:55

that we have to go over. But but other than

18:58

that a

19:00

plus. Right

19:02

now, we're joined by a very

19:04

esteemed forensic psychologist,

19:07

Dr Scott Musgrove. Am

19:09

I pronouncing it correctly? Yes, yes, thank

19:12

you, um, thank you for joining

19:14

us here. It's a privilege. Thank

19:16

you, and thank you for for giving

19:18

us insight with your your valuable

19:21

expertise. Let me ask you this question,

19:23

what exactly does a forensic psychologists

19:25

do? So a forensic

19:28

psychologists works at

19:30

the intersection between the

19:33

realm of mental health and the realm of

19:35

the legal system. So in our

19:38

training, our expertise, and education,

19:41

we provide information, evaluation

19:44

and assessment to the

19:46

legal preceding community. So we

19:48

might go to court as

19:51

expert witnesses on the person who's committed

19:53

crimes or been accused of committing crimes

19:56

in the community, and we evaluate whether or not

19:58

their mental health may have had an hacked

20:00

on. That interesting and did

20:02

you have to go to school for that or can you just say,

20:06

hey, I'm a forensic psychologist,

20:09

I can read people. No, that would be frowned

20:11

upon. It's it's a doctoral degree. It's a

20:13

doctoral degree. That's right. I'm sorry

20:15

you are a doctor. I read that So how

20:18

many years of schooling did you have to do for

20:21

the masters in doctoral? It's all together

20:23

about six years of school

20:25

plus. So this isn't This isn't

20:28

baby games here, this is real life

20:30

drama. You're a real doctor.

20:33

Yes, So I have

20:36

these horrible bunyans and they

20:39

are putting such pressure

20:41

on I can't wear a dress

20:44

you I have to wear these really thick

20:46

orthopedic shoes and I

20:48

don't know what to do about him? Would

20:50

you recommend surgery? Well,

20:53

that would be out of my scope of practice. I'm not I'm

20:55

not a medical doctor. That's for you. Just

20:57

have to go to the doctor. Just go primary

20:59

character position. Okay, so you can't. You don't

21:02

examine people medically in that guard.

21:04

No, no, I don't check that this

21:07

is good. This is all fact fighting for us. Okay.

21:10

So I should go to a clinic or

21:13

I should just go to minitialist. Really like a podiatrist.

21:15

You should see a podiatrist. Yeah, okay,

21:18

so now this is getting confusing. So do podiatrists

21:21

often help to solve crimes as

21:23

well? Not

21:26

that I know of. It's a yeah,

21:28

it's a foot doctor, got

21:30

it? So they have nothing to do? No, No,

21:33

with the line of work that you do. No,

21:35

not, in my knowledge, I wouldn't unless it was foot

21:38

related. Unless there was a murderer

21:40

who killed people with their feet and they wanted

21:42

to examine some sort of aspect,

21:46

then you'd bringing it up, bringing up a dietrist.

21:49

I've read a lot of police departments are having podiatrists

21:52

put on staff for that

21:54

very same reason. Really,

21:57

that's what my research is showing. Dr

22:01

Scott. Let me ask you this question. H

22:04

Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted

22:07

Bundy, Richard

22:09

Ramirez, F

22:14

Mary or kill? And

22:17

there is a right answer. Excuse

22:20

me, F Mary

22:22

or kill? And F is I

22:25

know what you mean. I really

22:28

don't think that's kind. I can answer

22:30

that, Carolina. I'm sorry. I

22:32

don't feel Carolina. I don't feel comfortable answering

22:35

that. Come on, it's for the show. It's for the show.

22:37

Um okay. Based

22:40

on their looks only and acknowledging

22:42

that it's it's terrible

22:45

what these guys did. I'll

22:48

say, kill Richard Ramirez, Mary,

22:51

Ted Bundy, F Jeffrey

22:53

Dahmer, based on looks, Carolina,

22:58

I can't even look at you right now. Disgusting.

23:02

You are disgusting, Scott. I apologize.

23:06

I would really recommend not

23:08

any of those three with any of those three

23:10

people. Voice

23:14

of reason here, Yes,

23:17

Carolina, this might be the

23:20

lowest moment the show for

23:22

you, for all of us. You put me in this position.

23:27

I knew this would be tough subject matter. I didn't

23:29

realize it would it would bottom out this

23:31

quickly. We

23:33

have been cast upon the rocks.

23:35

Let's see if we can't get this ship back

23:37

into deep water. Dr

23:40

Scott, let me ask you this. If you are grouchy

23:43

and you've had a bad day and

23:45

you express that to some strangers,

23:48

Okay, does that make you a psychopath?

23:51

No? Mhm Okay,

23:54

no, absolutely not. I mean,

23:57

let's get a scope on a psychopath, just to

24:00

checks and boxes. What is actually

24:03

a psychopath? Well, it's

24:05

a term that gets a lot of inner Uh.

24:08

There's a crossover with another term called associopath.

24:10

The way we look at it in the Big Book

24:13

of Diagnosis, the Diagnostic and Statistical

24:15

Manuals. Yes, it's

24:17

fascinating. And their criteria

24:19

for people it's by night by Night stand.

24:22

That's some heavy reading for night

24:25

I'm just starting to read it. Full disclosure.

24:28

Um, so those two things would

24:30

fall under what we call antisocial personality

24:33

disorder, and it's a constellation of behaviors

24:35

and uh thought

24:37

patterns in an individual

24:39

that really show a

24:42

callous disregard and lack

24:44

of empathy for other human beings.

24:47

And these individuals may

24:49

involve themselves and criminal activities.

24:52

There's a lot of there's actually a

24:54

frighteningly high level of in

24:57

the community and the general population

24:59

of antisocial personality to disorder

25:01

individuals, but some of them are quite successful.

25:04

Fortune companies actually look for

25:06

many of the qualities of antisocial

25:09

people to put into very high positions

25:11

because they will take chances, making

25:14

decisions that you or I wouldn't

25:16

wouldn't want to take, risks take. So say

25:20

someone you're late for work

25:22

twice in a row, and someone

25:25

takes their mug of coffee and

25:28

um when you turn around after apologizing,

25:31

throws at the back of your head, scalding

25:34

your skin. So you have to wear a weave and

25:38

a wig for six

25:41

months at your sister's wedding

25:43

and your bridesmaid, I mean, this is

25:45

hypothetical that I would. I would, It's an absolute

25:48

hypothetically okay without

25:53

it, and it was a one time thing hypothetically

25:56

right, okay, because the hypothetical person

25:59

in question and didn't sleep

26:01

for three days. Well,

26:04

that actually is very interesting. You're bringing in an additional

26:06

factor because at the first part of the story

26:08

I would have said that, you know, uh,

26:11

and the even and the person was hungry

26:13

too. Yeah, well,

26:15

you know, people can There are people who have extremely

26:18

impulsive personalities and

26:20

maybe a lack of ability to regulate

26:23

their internal experience of emotions. So

26:25

those people tend to act out more. But

26:28

they're not They're not a psychopath. No,

26:31

but I would say that it's thank you, Dr

26:34

Scott. But what I'm concerned about is someone

26:37

nick. Do you hear that in the booth? Yeah?

26:40

Maybe they just have um to

26:42

say I'm sorry sometimes sometimes

26:49

maybe they will. Emotional

26:51

reparation can be very helpful in a work situation,

26:54

too help. But

26:56

I've got a lot of those fortune company

26:59

guys don't ever say I doubt that the yea,

27:02

Well there in a different

27:05

league that I would say it. What if you were leaning out

27:08

a window and you dropped a watermelon

27:10

on your producer's car.

27:13

Yeah, what if that happened? Well, that's

27:15

a very doing it just for fun. It wasn't

27:17

calculated. Is

27:20

that a psychopath? That's

27:22

given me a lot more concern because

27:25

that's intent, right, That's someone who intended

27:27

to cause harm or harassment

27:30

to another individual. And if that

27:33

person didn't pay for

27:36

the cars and will never pay

27:38

the cars repair, the person who dropped the watermelon,

27:42

well that's that shows sort of a callous

27:44

disregard for responsibility, and

27:47

that I'd be concerned. I disagree, especially

27:49

if they're in a power of position. I disagrees,

27:51

Scott, But that's what this

27:53

forum is for. Yes,

27:56

I would say so. Yeah,

27:58

Well, maybe

28:00

in the future, in the hypothetical land this. You

28:02

know, this person says, I'm sorry,

28:05

I didn't mean to throw the coffee at your head. I'm

28:07

sorry about your weave in you

28:11

know, maybe that could

28:13

happen. Maybe it did,

28:16

maybe it just happened. Maybe the person

28:18

says that happened too,

28:20

says thank you, mhm,

28:25

okay, sorry,

28:28

um,

28:31

let's move on, Scott.

28:34

Let me ask you this. If this

28:36

is a legal question. If a woman dumps you,

28:39

can you have her arrested? Oh my god,

28:41

didn't Melinda dump you? In

28:43

what manner? Did she dump you to involve

28:45

a criminal act? Don't look at me hypothetically.

28:49

I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, Well, this

28:51

is what happened. I picked her up at

28:54

m hmm gosh,

28:57

eight o'clock because she said she had to work

29:00

eight and it

29:03

was our anniversary. We had

29:05

been going out two weeks

29:08

and so it was gonna be a special night. And

29:12

so I go to her apartment

29:14

and there's just a note on the door, and

29:19

there weren't any words. It was just a drawing

29:21

of a middle finger. So that's

29:23

for you, Ron, And

29:27

you want to arrest her, Yes, I'd

29:29

like to file charges. Well,

29:32

I get you know, in a situation like this

29:34

that I and from a forensic

29:36

psychologist standpoint, Well, let's

29:38

let's talk. I can do that. No,

29:41

I wouldn't say. Can I call my podiatrist

29:44

get them involved? Well, you should call

29:46

your pediatrist about the I know I'm gonna do that anyway,

29:48

but not for this, alright,

29:51

So that's that's not an area you can go. No,

29:54

I mean, yeah, I wouldn't. That's

29:56

not really breaking a law what she

29:59

did. I'm sure at her, but she didn't break

30:01

a law. Scott. Let me ask you this, how how

30:03

much interaction do you have in our our penal

30:05

system? Do you have to interact

30:08

with prisons? Do you have to visit them.

30:10

Yeah, I will. My right out of

30:12

grad school, I worked in California

30:14

State Prison for several years, and then

30:17

following that I worked at the Twin Towers

30:19

Jail downtown and in my

30:21

current position, I actually go to court

30:23

a lot um helping to advocate

30:26

for the mentally ill in the Los Angeles

30:28

community to get the help that they need. Have you ever

30:30

been on people's court? Have you met Judge? I

30:32

have not. I have not. If

30:34

you ever come across him,

30:37

could I hand you this football

30:39

for you get? I'd love to get his autograph. I

30:41

have a collection of autograph footballs. You

30:44

know. I would love to help you out with that. I'm just

30:46

not sure if I would ever really come in contact with him,

30:48

I can't guarantee that would happen. We'll keep your contact

30:50

information, and if you ever think

30:53

that you're in a position to meet Judge Wapner or

30:55

Judge Judy Forget, that would trump everything

30:58

he's been Yeah, I really mean a lot to on um.

31:01

That'd be great. I'll do what I

31:03

can. So put it back to prisons um

31:06

bad as they say it is, or a good place

31:08

for some alone time for

31:14

some people. I think it's a really good

31:16

place to be. We have some you

31:18

know, we have some very dangerous people, um

31:20

that need to be removed from the community, and

31:23

that's a good place. Melinda, I

31:26

don't think that she needs to be

31:28

my girlfriend ex

31:31

girlfriend x Yeah

31:34

mhm. So prison

31:37

isn't this romantic place that

31:39

it looks like on television? Uh,

31:43

because I know I've seen some shows

31:45

where I'm like, I could handle myself in prison. Old

31:48

er on Burgundy. He knows

31:50

how to handle himself in a in a fist

31:53

fight. You know, you do have some good

31:55

communication skills. You might be able

31:57

to take a certain level I think,

32:00

item, yeah, thank you, But

32:02

for the long term, it wouldn't be the best environment

32:04

for you. I don't think exactly. Um

32:09

O J. Simpson. What do you know about his football

32:11

career? You know, I'm not a sports

32:14

guy. I just remember the Hurts commercials

32:16

mainly. Do you know any of his stats? Actually,

32:20

he was one of the

32:22

first football players to rush two thousand

32:24

yards, that's correct, and he did that

32:26

multiple times. Was really amazing. With the Buffalo

32:29

Bills. He played his whole career I believe with Buffalo

32:31

Bills and did the San Francisco UM

32:36

sure, Sans Francisco,

32:39

San Francisco, he

32:41

moved a lot of riddle cars. Yes,

32:44

that that can be said, Bad

32:49

boys, bad boys, What you're

32:51

gonna do, What you're gonna do when they

32:53

come for you? Who wrote that? Faulkner?

32:56

I can almost guarantee that it wasn't Faulkner.

32:59

I'm not or who recorded that. But

33:01

when you're in court and you're walking down

33:04

the hallway, do you and your

33:06

profession and the like, do

33:08

you guys as you're walking down the hallway

33:10

to kind of create a fun atmosphere, do

33:13

you guys all sing that song? Bad boys,

33:15

Bad boys, What you're gonna do, What

33:18

You're gonna do when they come for you?

33:20

Do you guys sing that to each other? No?

33:22

You really you really want to present as

33:26

it would be professional? Yeah?

33:28

Yeah. Do you get a lot of vacation

33:30

time as a forensic psychologist? Uh?

33:34

Yeah yeah.

33:36

So it's a good job. It's a good job. It's

33:38

a great job. You create your own

33:40

hours, uh

33:43

not really forty hours a week um

33:46

for a large government agency and

33:48

it's six years of school run. So just

33:50

think about six years of school and

33:53

you cannot Sorry I

33:56

keep pushing this, but I haven't. I have a

33:58

hard time believing that you're a

34:00

doctor and you're still not allowed

34:02

to operate on anyone. If you had

34:04

to, if you had to take someone's tonsils

34:06

out, would you do it? I would not

34:08

know where to begin. It's a clinic.

34:11

It's you know, there's one that's like, if

34:13

we brought you back with all

34:15

the right equipment and supervision,

34:18

would you be up for taking Carolina

34:21

stensils out? I don't even need

34:23

that. I couldn't do that. It's

34:26

elective surgery. It's fine, it's

34:29

not life threatening, I know, but I don't.

34:31

I don't need that. I'm perfectly

34:34

healthy. I don't know why you'd want me

34:36

to go through that. Just

34:38

kind of thinking of different things we could do

34:42

just for a podcast episode. You

34:44

got to fill the time. Yeah,

34:49

Dr Scott. Yes, here's

34:52

another question. I have forensic

34:56

meaning Latin for

35:02

I don't know. That's really

35:05

good question. What does forensic mean? Not

35:07

everything has like a Latin root. Some words

35:10

are just originated from the English language,

35:13

you know. But like a psychologist,

35:15

do you make people lie down on a couch

35:19

in my private practice, if if it feels

35:21

appropriate and if it's needed by

35:23

the client. What if I were to visit you

35:25

as a psychologist and I didn't

35:27

want to lie on your couch, you would not have

35:29

to. I would just pace the room.

35:32

That's happened before and smoke cigarettes. We

35:34

wouldn't allow that. But what if I was a psychopath

35:37

and I needed to have my cigarettes otherwise

35:41

I'd get psycho. Well,

35:44

when you put it that way, we might be able to make

35:46

some kind of a megandation. Yeah, yourself,

35:49

Like, you have to be flexible, right, and we have to look

35:51

for you know, the safe, your safety as

35:53

well as my safety in that situation. Yeah,

35:57

it was so fascinating before you got

35:59

here, we we stumbled

36:01

across the fact that I

36:04

had no idea that the Zodiac killer

36:07

was center Ted Cruz. Well, I

36:10

don't know about that information. It's

36:13

that's a that's a popular um

36:17

to my understanding, that's a really a popular

36:19

meme or area of

36:22

of humor in the community right now. But I'm

36:24

not really I'm not even sure the ages would really

36:26

match up, because are

36:30

you referring to a mem I'm

36:32

sorry, I pronounced it. I pronounce that's correct,

36:34

it's but it's spelled me. Yeah,

36:36

it's a hard eat in the middle Oh,

36:40

it's it's okay because whenever

36:42

I read it, I think in my head, mem, well

36:45

that's an interesting mem Yeah,

36:47

that's like a French pronunciation. I

36:51

think it's just a hard meme. Do you

36:54

ever think of going to France? While

36:56

we're on the subject, I think about

36:58

the time practicing there. No,

37:01

I think you would probably be better. I mean, if

37:03

I was going to you would really need to be

37:05

fascile with the life. There's more action in

37:07

France. From a criminal standpoint,

37:11

I don't think so. I think we have a lot

37:13

more here in the US. We've got too much. If

37:15

you asked me, I would agree.

37:19

Yeah. I mean, and

37:21

what is your thoughts on if video games

37:24

produce violent individuals?

37:26

Well, that's a good question, Carolina. Yes, you

37:29

know. Now video games. We're talking Frogger,

37:33

We're talking Atari

37:35

Tank Battle, We're talking to the really violent

37:38

games m Asteroids,

37:43

Tar Sky, and Hutch Pinball Machine. I can

37:45

almost guarantee that those would definitely

37:48

not even be in consideration for inciting

37:50

violence. But everyone's

37:52

talking about violence and video games. Well, I

37:54

mean, I think the debate

37:57

is about whether or not exposing young

37:59

children into

38:03

uh not so much more like grand theft

38:05

Auto Halo first

38:07

person shooters. But then again, we don't really have it.

38:09

I'm not familiar with those, but

38:11

we don't really have any statistical um

38:14

there's there are no numbers that really back up that there's

38:16

a direct correlation between exposures of those

38:19

games. What about vape pins, Well,

38:21

we're talking about the youth. They

38:24

contribute to violence, monkst youths.

38:26

I would not say they contribute to violence. I would

38:28

really be concerned about their contributing to health

38:31

concerns, long term health concerns. Although

38:33

I'm not a medical doctor. I'm just reading the research.

38:36

Yeah, watch it. I don't want to watch it. Yeah,

38:38

thank you for that. My

38:42

back is killing me, but Scott, you can't

38:44

do anything about it. I

38:47

gotta remember to take my dones back

38:49

pills. I

38:53

mean, yeah, you know what I'm gonna say. I

38:55

just really think you haven't seen a doctor

38:57

and for six

39:00

years, forty six years,

39:04

not four to six

39:07

years. And I'm still

39:09

trucking. But you

39:12

you see your teeth hurt all the time. You

39:14

know what my doctor is? My

39:17

doctor is waking

39:19

up at six thirty am every morning, drinking

39:23

two raw eggs, goggling

39:26

with a about

39:28

two fingers of Scotch and

39:30

hitting the heavy bag. That's my doctor, Jesus,

39:33

all right, I'd be really

39:35

concerned about that. I mean, you have

39:37

have you had? No one asked you, Scott.

39:40

Just a human perspective, I'd

39:44

like to do a colonoscopy of the human brain,

39:46

you know, like

39:50

how it works, because this episode,

39:53

it's been fascinating, fascinating

39:57

to get in the mind of a killer who.

40:00

I wouldn't describe that as a colonoscopy. I

40:02

would just say have

40:04

they ever solved? That's another

40:06

case we didn't bring up, the colonoscopy killer

40:10

um, which I believe took place up near

40:12

Fresno. I'm not familiar. It

40:14

was a gentleman posing as a doctor,

40:17

just like Scott uh

40:19

who was killing

40:21

people through giving them

40:24

colonoscopies. And

40:26

he just gave them a colonoscopy and

40:28

then it was lights out. Yeah,

40:31

that's look

40:34

it up. Research it you're

40:37

so into research, Carolina, Just look

40:39

it up. Look it up. Well,

40:43

anything else we need to ask

40:46

Dr Scott here. Thank you so much for your

40:48

time. Dr Scott we Um. We

40:50

really appreciate our relationship

40:54

as co workers. I think that

40:58

Ron learned a

40:59

lot about how to mend

41:02

things with his ex girlfriend. And that doesn't

41:04

necessarily have to do with prison or arrest.

41:07

It can just be and it was just it

41:10

was informative and helpful. I realized

41:12

I can't have my ex girlfriend arrested,

41:15

um, just for breaking up with me, which

41:18

was about to pay a lot of money for

41:20

legal help. Two. You

41:22

know, exercise that but I'm

41:24

not going to do it now. Um.

41:27

But we we really appreciate

41:29

what you do, your expertise. Thank

41:31

you very much, Thank you, thank you very much. We'll

41:34

be right back. We're

41:46

back here at the Run Burgundy podcast here

41:48

with Carolina. We're going to do our fact check.

41:50

How how do we do today, Carolina? You know

41:52

we did pretty flawless if I remember

41:55

correctly. You know we have some stuff actually,

41:57

Um, so google Goga, Lady

42:00

Gaga, right lady, not lady

42:02

and not lady Google Goga. Okay,

42:05

great, Um, I have

42:08

Judge Waffner actually passed away last

42:10

year. So no, yeah,

42:13

oh no, I

42:16

feel I'm never going to get my football signed.

42:19

Sure. Ah,

42:22

I'm the most unlucky human in the world.

42:25

I don't know about that. I think I'm

42:28

having the worst day. All right,

42:30

let's move on. Why

42:33

am I so cursed? I don't think that

42:35

seems that would have really completed

42:37

my whole judicial set of signed football's.

42:41

Yeah, no, I'm sorry, but

42:43

gosh,

42:45

alright, go on, whole

42:48

foods. Not what

42:50

did I say, hold foods? Oh

42:55

see, I always thought it was hold

42:58

foods, like hold

43:00

the foods for me so

43:03

that I can come to your store and buy them,

43:06

like hold onto them, hold foods.

43:09

No, incorrect, So it's whole

43:11

foods. Whole foods that's a terrible

43:14

name for a market. Just means like organic.

43:18

And then we looked it up.

43:20

There is no records of a colonoscopy

43:22

killer. There isn't. And I actually

43:25

remember when you show me your dream journal. I

43:27

think that was just a nightmare that you have that

43:30

I wrote in You're right, You're right, You're

43:32

right, You're right. Guilty

43:34

is charged, it happens.

43:37

And also, um, it's

43:40

San Francisco the city. Um

43:42

not San Francisco. No,

43:46

it's San Francisco Riso

43:50

roni, the San Francisco

43:52

treat because they put saffron in

43:54

the rice of rony. No, it's I

43:56

don't I mean, I don't know that. Um,

44:00

I see what you're saying. But the city itself is San

44:02

Francisco, but don't

44:05

call it Frisco anyone

44:07

from the Bay Area. They'll punch in the face. I

44:10

don't know why they're so particular about that. Yeah,

44:14

you know, people in San Francisco

44:16

bugs them so much. That's why whatever I'm up there,

44:18

I just called Frisco. It drives them nuts.

44:23

It's my little way of tweaking them

44:25

anyway. Final thoughts. Today,

44:28

we learned a whole heck of a lot.

44:31

I think we learned about the legal process. We learned

44:33

that Carolina would marry

44:35

and f a convicted serial killer,

44:39

surprising, shocking. We

44:41

also learned that some people just don't

44:43

even want to be in prison. This

44:46

is Ron Burgundy. See you next

44:48

Thursday on The Ron Burgundy Podcast.

44:55

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44:57

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44:59

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45:01

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45:04

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45:06

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