Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Matt Kibbe (President, Free the People) about liberty in a time of lockdown. Matt discusses the need to address complex problems like pandemics with decentralized solutions. He discusses the numerous failures of government in handling the pandemic thus far. He gives the example of states making the decision to have hospitals cancel their elective surgeries. This decision has had the unintended consequences of having cancer patients forego treatment, but also eliminating a revenue stream for hospitals causing many to now possibly file for bankruptcy. Matt also gives a libertarian evaluation of Trump. He thinks that while he has been good on some issues, he has been awful on others.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices