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This series that I'm absolutely loving about women

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that we want to wear. So all of

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the female designers were really into. I

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know. It's been quite a lineup for

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us. We have a fantastic conversation about

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Mrs. Prada and what makes her the

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woman we all want to wear. I'm just

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envisioning you in her skin. And

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I got to sit down with Victoria Beckham, which

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was a real treat and got to ask

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her all about David

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planning out his outfits a week in

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advance. And one special question that she

1:00

was quite upset by. But

1:03

you'll have to tune in and listen to find out what

1:05

that was. On today's episode,

1:07

we have Vogue Renoir director Nicole Phelps here

1:09

to talk about today's designer. Welcome, Nicole. Good

1:11

to be here. You

1:13

spoke to Gabriella Hurst, right? I know she was

1:15

at Chloe, but she also has her own brand.

1:18

Yes, I've been reviewing Gabby's

1:21

shows here in New York for many years, close to

1:23

a decade, I think. She's

1:26

at a pivot point in her

1:28

career, having spent three years at

1:30

Chloe and turned that brand into

1:33

a B Corp and really brought

1:35

a lot of her sustainable principles

1:37

to Paris. And now she's refocusing

1:40

on her own collection. And she's

1:42

a great interview. She's

1:44

a very inspiring person, tireless and indefatigable.

1:47

I think that's how you say that

1:49

word. Yeah, it's true. You never say

1:51

it. You just read it. That's such a good description of her. Oh,

1:54

my God. I remember talking to her about her schedule

1:56

when she was at Chloe. I mean, the she has

1:59

a great experience. young kids she

2:01

was traveling back and forth to Paris. I

2:03

was like this cannot be a long-term solution.

2:05

She makes it sound like she didn't mind

2:07

it, you know, she didn't mind it at

2:09

all. But I think I

2:12

actually am sort of suspicious of like

2:15

one designer doing two brands. I always

2:17

have been and I think it's a

2:19

real opportunity for her to be

2:22

refocused on just one. I'm

2:24

excited to see what happens at Gabriela Hearst

2:26

now. I also she's so inspiring to

2:28

me because of what a

2:30

beacon she's been for sustainability. And honestly

2:32

from the beginning before she really had

2:35

established herself it was always her number

2:37

one priority. And to have brought that

2:39

to a huge conglomerate

2:42

and really left an imprint there is so

2:45

admirable and impressive. And her clothes are quite

2:47

chic. Oh, they're so chic. She,

2:50

one could argue alongside the row,

2:52

really launched quiet luxury.

2:54

Yes, we must say the dreaded

2:56

term. Yes. So we started

2:59

out the soundcheck talking about

3:01

shoes and we love to do

3:03

that at the run through. In true

3:05

Gabriela Hearst style she had a long

3:07

story to tell about what she was wearing.

3:14

It's

3:18

the first thing I look at people, shoes, always,

3:20

always. It

3:23

tells a lot. And it's

3:25

where my eye goes first. Yeah.

3:28

Talking about shoes and you can stop me whenever

3:30

you want. It's really

3:33

the one thing that is very, very

3:35

hard to not have it

3:37

be. Decade to

3:39

focus and to do timeless.

3:42

But that's why I like both of our shoes

3:44

right now. They're the timeless. They go back from

3:46

any period. Why is that? Because

3:48

there's I think shoes follow a

3:50

trend. And but I think

3:52

I spoke to you about this before. The

3:55

Vivian Westwood pirate boot was always

3:57

an example for me because it's a design in

3:59

nineteen. Them and six and

4:01

that the last a strong

4:03

probably like the late seventy

4:05

nine hundred and some creating

4:07

that saying that the you

4:09

cannot think point. In

4:12

Time is really what triggers mean Design.

4:15

Can you tell people what a last is for people

4:17

who don't. Understand shoe construction is the

4:19

shape of the shoe that you

4:21

that you were and the Us

4:23

and they'll so you can define

4:25

in the last the at. The

4:27

show addicted to a Toll Shape as

4:29

well. Do you have a pair of

4:31

Vivienne Westwood passes? as I do. You

4:34

remember when you got them or how you got them. Well,

4:37

I'll I believe. In

4:39

giving when he hurts right like you

4:41

have extra it's easy to give but

4:43

so used to have. One pair of

4:45

Vivian? What? Wow. Vivienne Westwood Pyre boots.

4:48

And I gave them to my best friends and

4:50

he wears them in my life. That would like

4:52

I is. So I went and bought a pair. So

4:55

but it twice in my life. But they're not

4:57

that easy to find right now. Not I have

4:59

mine my second pair. It's probably ten years

5:01

ago they're sort of a grail item,

5:03

the I mean it's your life gives

5:06

history of fashion that's one to have.

5:08

We have. You win because you're at a

5:10

very interesting i get a pivot point in

5:12

your career. You have spent the last three

5:14

years as Creative Director at Chloe that came

5:17

to an end in September and ah, it's

5:19

a moment for you to read double your

5:21

efforts at at Gabrielle, a hearse that you're

5:23

online which you launched his at eight years

5:25

ago Or nine years about nine years ago

5:27

and I never though. Now let's start with

5:30

Chloe though. What would you say with the

5:32

best part of it and the worst part

5:34

of it? And let you learned. That

5:36

as bar to secede to answer is that people. I.

5:39

Mean I'm had some incredible talent

5:42

and the people I I work

5:44

where as and as a moment

5:46

you know a team building is

5:49

it's it's one of lead. Would.

5:52

Say for any industry for any job

5:54

team building is a key have any

5:56

success. Nobody does anything alone and I

5:58

think towards. And yeah, The of our

6:00

but the project. There was a

6:03

swing you know when it things work like

6:05

a jazz fans and is easier. Of a

6:07

gorilla. Hers were where you have a. A

6:09

shorthand right? I don't move. An eyebrow and everybody

6:11

knows exactly what I mean. Ends: I get that

6:13

it will mumble, wouldn't even talk to each other.

6:16

Rob Lowe, Roka God as you know. So. But

6:18

to develop that sort hand in

6:20

in I would say the team

6:22

was one of the best experiences

6:25

that chloe it's and that from

6:27

this the. Human

6:30

level and then from the mission

6:32

level. That put it was. The

6:35

House Fast. I

6:37

give I go back is as

6:39

false fast and how relentless. Was

6:41

the drive to put all the

6:43

research and development that will have

6:46

learned. At Gabriella Hearst

6:48

and put them at Chloe.

6:50

So the evil that we

6:52

were able to people all

6:55

over were sustainable. Effort so

6:57

quickly. That's. Really something.

6:59

Really Really? Proud. Why

7:01

did you wanted to to brands

7:03

at once to do? And How

7:05

ambitious? Are you? I'm very.

7:07

Bad They were good Reasons. Everything

7:10

I do. Has

7:12

a thought process in the sense

7:14

of. I has to.

7:16

The. Not just Vanessa. So for

7:18

me it has to be beneficial for for

7:21

others and he has to be multiplied. that

7:23

more people who benefits the better

7:25

the at this. The. Idea is

7:27

and the project and the commitment. And

7:30

Chloe was a brand that I've

7:32

always loved an aesthetically was as

7:34

I say says, it's like speaking

7:36

Spanish and French. it's not too

7:38

different route, right? And so was

7:40

anesthetics. And I really resonated with

7:42

the founder, Gabi A and and

7:45

her I don't I lot of

7:47

people know her. Strong socialist.

7:49

I'm principles and the

7:51

way to. Build

7:53

something for others And

7:55

I'd. Is really formidable. She's

7:58

a visionary. And I want. Learn

8:00

Ama on am I now have Learned Learner

8:02

and I knew that that was part of

8:04

the dorm. I knew that I was going

8:06

to go to close before it even happened.

8:09

So I just was

8:11

determined. We should give a

8:13

shoutout to Gabby Id on the

8:15

founder of Chloe See was to

8:17

the badass. I mean we have.

8:20

Our. Labels now

8:23

as the signers. In. Our

8:25

toes thanks to her because

8:27

she refused to put before

8:29

you to be for store

8:31

blah blah blah from Chloe.

8:33

Right! and she was like are you put

8:36

my label on tix I close and sea

8:38

change that any view and look at. The

8:40

first invitation that she did for her

8:43

first. So I mean that's. Peter.

8:45

Miles, Cardinals silent. And

8:47

Left Bank and I've visited

8:49

her granddaughter and visited her

8:51

son and the way they

8:53

leave and aesthetic is really

8:56

resonated to To Fly I

8:58

am and what I I

9:00

like a swell worries not

9:02

a lot but. Precious.

9:04

And things that mean something. She was

9:06

even recycling. People know this Jews were

9:09

proposing before we purpose in with the

9:11

things we the leftovers. Of fabric with to her

9:13

own. Handkerchiefs In this a

9:15

line that I liked that she

9:17

said where it's all for. Her.

9:20

Was about detail and quality

9:22

and.resonated. Exactly with with me. Talk

9:25

about what those three years were

9:27

like. and juggling two jobs and

9:30

living in two places? In. New York

9:32

and Paris. At people think

9:34

that that part was a rough and

9:36

I and I didn't. They. Don't sell

9:38

it because I really love what I

9:40

I do. I, I don't. And

9:43

it's I like to say since this

9:45

quote from our dummies has until Ascii

9:48

on. Your lordship, let me tell you what a

9:50

woman can do as. A sixteen from the sixteen

9:52

hundreds. And and I do. Yeah, okay,

9:54

it's tough for you. have. No idea how

9:56

much I got indoor. I mean, I grew up in

9:58

a range of. In cattle or

10:01

much Alamo. So yeah. This

10:03

is still nice new have young kids

10:05

that one hundred the how did they

10:07

deal with the with you being gone

10:09

sometimes law I had that conversation with

10:11

my my. Daughter Sarah, teenage daughters

10:13

and they were the ones I

10:15

were going on. Basically, you know,

10:17

suffer the most and there's such.

10:21

A natural born Simon ist that they

10:23

were you have to do this Mommy

10:25

can live without doing this and so

10:27

And let's not forget it was a

10:29

pandemic to the. Whole experience is quite

10:31

surreal. You talk a lot

10:34

about your daughters and learning from

10:36

them, so I'm curious. What are

10:38

you learning? From them. Now they're

10:40

fifteen, right? I'm learning a lot

10:42

from them and are learning from

10:44

their friends as well. And.

10:47

The way they sank and the way. Their.

10:50

Values System. I. Think

10:52

they're very, very fair generation. That

10:56

they're very sensitive to.

11:00

To. Other people's and or respect

11:02

to other people and this is

11:04

not just my daughters and I

11:06

see it with their their friends

11:09

but I remember when I'm. The

11:11

war that to some reason one two years

11:14

ago the worn a non. Into

11:16

grain Ethiopia Happen. And and

11:18

there was this. Terrible.

11:21

Article I read in National Geographic

11:23

and enough about women and rape

11:25

and how did this to journey

11:27

of of of one of them.

11:30

Have one of the woman they

11:32

article described and I told my

11:34

daughter and and my daughter was

11:36

mom. She site

11:38

and he we have to read. This hard. Because

11:41

if they go through it the minimum thing

11:44

with and do is read. About their suffering

11:46

and so that. that's the type of lesson

11:48

that is quite profound and then style. Right

11:50

now they're blowing me away with a style.

11:52

My son is your daughter's age. And he

11:54

too has sort of discovered fashion since

11:57

he's like of thirty inch waist and

11:59

he is wearing. That's thirty eight ways.

12:02

That he finds that the vintage. Stores vintage store shopping

12:05

is the way to go. You know

12:07

people are really. Don't

12:09

understand this generation. That's what they

12:11

do. Well, that is

12:13

a very good segue to talk

12:15

about sustainability which is something bad

12:17

is at the root of Gabrielle

12:20

Ahern. Just so go back to

12:22

the early days of of launching

12:24

Gabrielle A Hearse to why did

12:26

you decide to make Sustainability. Part of

12:28

the mission. It was really rooted from.

12:30

My origins right, I was I, having

12:32

heard my father's runs in two thousand.

12:34

And eleven, when he passed away and I

12:36

was going back and forwards, you knew my

12:38

other brand than their lot. that was position.

12:40

In the contemporary world and and

12:42

enormous selling to the department stores

12:44

and the pressure to to have

12:46

a lower price find and lower

12:49

the quality and and compared to.

12:51

What? I was doing in the ranch

12:53

was silk organic Ross said and this

12:56

is something my family has done for

12:58

seven generations and most of your life

13:00

is life. Stop that. It's grass. So

13:02

for. Me, it was something they had

13:04

to be constructed in long term view. And

13:08

Sustainability And sustainability.

13:10

Because it's what I grew up

13:13

and nothing more secular than a

13:15

ranch. And you learn about quality

13:17

from a utilitarian point of view.

13:20

But. As things has to last, I mean we.

13:22

Are flowers and a half from the

13:24

closest town. not like I need to

13:26

go and grab. that's say you have

13:28

to measure quantifies me. I remember my

13:30

grandfather just like mr and how much

13:32

sugar with have how much slower we

13:34

have been are like really inventory side

13:36

living in a boat. In a way

13:39

because we're really in the middle of

13:41

nowhere and sustainability was really part of

13:43

how I was brought out. There was

13:45

an even. The. Divert to college

13:47

of everything of making or on soap or

13:50

of using don't wool So it was important

13:52

for me to to integrate it's and if

13:54

we were gonna do is a product which

13:57

I believe very strongly it's ah it's to

13:59

drive of. Today think we're gonna

14:01

do a broader product is has

14:03

to have a has to achieve

14:05

to be better than what's. Out

14:07

there because there's too much. Already.

14:10

Says I don't have something that I can

14:12

justify my conscious. There's no point, I'm really

14:14

happy just scratching at home. Can you

14:17

just tell us a little bit more about

14:19

your childhood home? He. As

14:21

I. Grew up till. Five

14:23

years old on with my mother and

14:25

father in in a ranch or close

14:28

to my grandfather's which is my months.

14:30

Ranch now and it's still

14:32

off the grid. A was

14:34

a. Very

14:36

remote existence. And.

14:39

Move. Relieve. A group of

14:41

maybe ten twelve people with the people

14:44

I work in the ranch as far

14:46

away. so the silence at night to

14:48

silence the darkness at night. Is dark

14:50

but it's full of stars because. The Southern

14:53

Hemisphere didn't see more stars. I'm I

14:55

mean that that's all changing with us

14:57

all these satellites thank you Reliance and

15:00

it's really was sad and this is

15:02

and or ago and yet the his

15:04

in Euro I South America and it's

15:06

something that for. Me: Was my normal?

15:09

Because there was no one in my family?

15:11

I wasn't living like this. it

15:14

what it produces. His. Imagination is

15:16

becomes your toy. I mean I

15:18

had all kinds. Of fantasies and

15:21

them. And you'll also learn. How

15:23

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So building a Sustainable Browns. From

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all the conversations we've had over

16:21

the years, it starts with materials.

16:23

That right? I mean, years sourcing

16:25

upcycled and recycled materials. I mean,

16:27

how does a person go about

16:29

building a sustainable fashion business? I

16:32

mean, I have to tell you,

16:34

it's much easier now. Than eight

16:36

years ago. I mean the evolution. Frightened.

16:39

Of recycle Kashmiris. A

16:41

didn't exist in our supply and demand

16:44

it's It's incredible that to be done

16:46

in we use this. I recycle cotton

16:48

and presides. I was very act against

16:50

using cotton. Because of

16:52

the water usage and the herbicides

16:54

and pesticides and I prefer linen

16:56

another fabrications. But the first thing

16:59

I would say. I It's materials.

17:02

And I always say look

17:04

at the past. right?

17:06

Look at how we lived in

17:08

civilization when it comes to five

17:10

hours and fabrics in and an

17:12

hour with point. The example. Of

17:14

a Roman times to Europe was

17:16

dressed between materials will leather, And than

17:18

and. And. When people ask me what's

17:20

the most sustainable fiber I would say. Merino.

17:24

Wool and. In

17:26

for insurance. And so yes I would

17:28

the first thing to do And that's the first thing I

17:30

did. Actually, to psych, think to materialise

17:32

since I got. Really Say some process. It was

17:34

all these different ten thousand different goals. I'm like we

17:36

don't need ten thousand. Different gold for need. One

17:39

goals and one silver. So

17:41

just eliminating everything that is

17:44

the access first, how do

17:46

you. Sort. of reconcile this

17:48

is something i struggle with all the

17:50

time which is desire and the desire

17:52

for new nests don't desire to keep

17:55

up with the way fast and changes

17:57

and that sort of necessity for us

17:59

all consume less. I would like

18:01

to understand from you how you deal

18:03

with that on a personal level but

18:05

also on a professional level in your

18:07

business. I did an exercise one

18:10

year of not to buy anything. I

18:12

could buy gifts. That was like, you

18:15

know, if I had a ... And of

18:17

course I have a lot of clothes because of

18:20

my job, right? But I don't

18:22

have a walking closet.

18:24

I have friends that have

18:26

my same shoe size and

18:28

of course saving

18:33

special pieces for my daughters and

18:35

my kids. But I think that I

18:38

grew up with a striking

18:40

mother, right, that

18:43

was a very strong female figure for me.

18:45

And she didn't have

18:47

a huge wardrobe. She had a small wardrobe

18:50

with very specific pieces

18:52

that she would make with her seamstress. And

18:54

we used to, again, going to the past, we

18:57

didn't have that habit of

18:59

buying clothes. You would get clothes

19:01

for special periods of your life.

19:04

And I said it the first time we launched, I

19:06

prefer one person buys a good quality

19:09

sweater for us than by 10

19:11

other not so good quality

19:13

things in other places. It's like I just

19:15

think that just buy few but

19:17

good. There are a few things

19:19

that feel as good as a Gabriela

19:22

Hurst-Kashmere sweater. Thank you. I

19:24

agree with that statement. So let's

19:26

talk about fashion more broadly

19:29

because, you know, we at

19:32

vogue.com, we are looking at the

19:34

internet and we're looking at social

19:36

media and the trends move faster

19:38

and faster and it's almost, you

19:40

know, a little bit ridiculous, I

19:42

think, the way things are moving so quickly.

19:45

What do you make of the current state

19:47

of fashion when you look around and you

19:49

see everything that's happening? Well, I've

19:52

followed my own drum and

19:55

I could wear a,

19:58

you know, recycled cotton t-shirt. that

20:00

said, I survive street style. And,

20:03

you know, like street fashion,

20:06

logomania. I just keep to

20:09

my corner and where

20:11

the ideas come from and where everything is

20:14

built. And I call

20:17

it farmer's distrust. But anything that goes

20:19

too fast, I'm always weary. Because even

20:21

if something goes too fast, there's only

20:23

one way to come down fast.

20:26

So I stay

20:30

away from all of it. You know, I've seen

20:32

so many trends. I've been, you know, when,

20:35

you know, Instagram came out and everybody wanted

20:37

to do digital ads on Instagram. I was like, no,

20:39

that's really not us. I don't really want to

20:42

give money to Mark Zuckerberg. It's like, it's fine.

20:44

You know, I don't really, I have a

20:46

very specific of what luxury feels and looks.

20:49

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what can you tell us about fall 2024, Gabriela Hearst?

21:51

You know how obsessed I am with materials

21:54

and fabrics. And I think

21:56

we outdid ourselves here. I've

21:59

been following... this route of

22:01

studying women through Gabriela

22:03

Hearst. And this is Leonora

22:06

Carrington, a surrealist painter.

22:09

For me, she's, you know, this visioner of

22:11

women, this statement, she's a very private

22:14

painter, and the only time she would come

22:16

out and speak, this is in the

22:19

1970s, was about feminism and environment, and

22:21

when she was living in Mexico. And

22:24

she, of which, you

22:27

know, could see visions and

22:29

incredible life, remarkable artists. But

22:32

also, I think the surrealist movement is

22:34

a movement that I

22:36

was been thinking that is

22:39

current to our time, when we

22:41

don't understand so much. The surrealist movement came

22:43

about with First World War, which was

22:45

one of the most inhumane things that

22:48

we've ever seen in a large scale

22:50

that had happened. And how do you

22:52

explain all these young boys and

22:57

people without limbs walking in the street?

22:59

So it was a very traumatic time, and

23:02

this is what the surrealism

23:04

does. And I think this

23:06

is a subject that is important to

23:08

have right now when we are moving through this turbulent time.

23:10

You use the word witch. Yes.

23:13

Talk about that a little bit more.

23:15

You've used it before. Yeah, I, for

23:18

me, the symbol of the witch is,

23:22

and I always say, we're not scared, we're out, is

23:26

to show women in the

23:28

full potential, full potential of

23:30

their wits, full potential

23:33

of their beauty, of their inner

23:36

beauty and of their creation. And so it's

23:38

really, I am

23:41

a devout believer that

23:43

we won't see the progress that we

23:45

need to save our species if women

23:47

are not in leadership position, like it

23:51

came over. So I'm really, really

23:54

focused on that. And bringing back

23:56

to the past, spiritualism

23:58

had its trend. that was quite

24:00

high during the Industrial Revolution. And

24:03

as now we've been formed by two major changes,

24:06

which is the Digital Revolution and

24:08

climate crisis, I think this openness

24:11

to be more aware of

24:14

the things that we are not completely

24:16

clear with science, right? I

24:18

find it funny that if 15 years ago

24:21

people would say something about horoscopes or now

24:23

people are like, oh, it's mercury retrograde,

24:26

you know, like it's difficult or, but,

24:28

you know, there is the goddess and

24:30

the women divinity comes from agriculture

24:33

belief system. And

24:35

you can really see that that's really

24:37

what provoked all the

24:39

religions that we know now. Yes,

24:42

gosh, there's so many different directions we can

24:44

go in from there. But

24:46

tell me how you feel about the

24:49

appointment of a fellow South American to

24:51

the Moschino job, Adrian Apiolasa.

24:53

Vamos. That's the only thing.

24:56

I am like that's so exciting

24:58

for me. It is really exciting

25:00

because to grow

25:03

up and he's from Argentina, but this is

25:05

a culture I can relate to because we

25:07

live so far away and so

25:10

hungry for culture. So, and

25:12

we have both, you know, we always

25:14

look at the axis of culture, Europe and

25:16

the U.S., right, and

25:18

integrated with the energy of living so

25:20

far away. And creates a very

25:23

specific point of view and

25:25

all the artists, all the Latin

25:27

American artists that have influenced us

25:29

that people don't know about gets

25:31

translated. I'm excited

25:34

for him too. He seems like a

25:36

really sweet guy. What

25:39

about your cultural diet? What are you

25:41

reading and or watching, high or lowbrow?

25:44

I'm reading The White

25:46

Goddess from Robert Grave because again,

25:48

I'm really interested in the subject

25:51

of divinity. And

25:53

I find it fascinating that in

25:57

the empire of Rome at the

25:59

time. time, what different cultures, let's

26:01

say, the Celts, if

26:03

you wanted to go and dominate a

26:06

culture, you had to attack their

26:08

deities, what their goddesses were, who

26:10

they believed in. And

26:12

so they had to hide who they believed

26:15

in. And so it had to be

26:17

oral and secret and all these really,

26:19

really complex way

26:21

to really reveal who has their

26:23

soul and their belief. And

26:25

it was fascinating to me. And the

26:27

position of women in it, it's really,

26:30

I'm fascinated. And

26:33

then on the, I

26:35

wouldn't say lowbrow, but I like watching the bear.

26:39

Because I think it's important

26:41

for people to learn when

26:43

they see a show like that, how much it takes

26:45

for someone to make your sandwich, right?

26:49

And I always compare, because I have a friend, one of my

26:51

best friends is a chef, that

26:53

Daniel Hum from 11

26:55

Miles and Park, how there's some similarities

26:57

to what we do in the

27:00

terms of ingredients and team,

27:02

how important is team working that

27:05

I spend so much time in the office, the

27:07

people that I love are there. And

27:11

so it's, you can't do

27:13

anything alone. And I think that show really, really,

27:16

really shows that the way we need

27:18

to learn how to communicate and appreciate

27:20

each other. Well, thank you very

27:23

much, Gabriela Hurst, for joining me here. It's

27:25

always great to talk to you when I learn

27:27

so much. Well, thank you so much for

27:29

having me. And it's always so lucky to have

27:31

a conversation with you. Thank you. Thank you.

27:38

And that's all folks. Bye. The

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Runthrough is Vogue is a production of

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Conde Nast. The show is produced by

27:47

Susie Lustenberg, Kelsey Daniel and Alex Stromburns,

27:49

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27:51

and James Yost. It is mixed

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