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this is cute. About

1:27

two weeks ago, my colleague Anna

1:29

and I made our way to Lodi,

1:31

Wisconsin, a small town of about 3,000 people

1:34

just north of Madison. Home

1:37

of Suzy. Who's Suzy? Yeah.

1:39

Suzy the duck. When

1:43

we got there, we walked down Main Street, past

1:46

a florist, a sausage and meat

1:48

market, an antique store, until

1:51

we crossed a bridge with

1:53

a metal archway dedicated to

1:55

Suzy the duck. downtown

2:00

Lodi. She laid her eggs in

2:02

a masonry flower basket, endearing herself

2:04

to locals and visitors who observed

2:06

her brood. Named Susie by Police

2:09

Chief Will Brunig's granddaughter, our mascot's

2:11

fame spread. Susie faithfully returned to

2:13

her flower basket raising two clutches

2:15

of eggs each year and

2:18

attracting national media attention. Over

2:20

the years, many Susies have nested

2:22

in this basket. Lodi still hosts an

2:25

annual Susie the Duck Festival celebrating the

2:27

famous fowl who rests in the

2:29

heart of Lodi. Susie

2:32

is one draw to Lodi, which

2:34

I've now

2:47

learned is how you pronounce it. But

2:49

the other one is how the town votes. Lodi

2:53

is in Columbia County, Wisconsin, a

2:56

frequent bellwether in this critical battleground state. In

2:58

2008 and 2012,

3:02

the county voted for Obama. In

3:04

2016, it went for Trump. And

3:07

in 2020, it did again. But

3:09

by just 517 votes,

3:12

or in other words, the type of

3:15

close election that Wisconsinites have come to expect.

3:18

In fact, four out of the

3:20

last six presidential elections in Wisconsin have

3:23

come down to less than the percentage

3:25

point. And this year

3:27

is expected to be similarly close. But

3:31

we're actually here for a different reason. The

3:34

maps. After more

3:36

than a decade of gerrymandered state

3:38

legislative districts that have

3:40

overwhelmingly favored Republicans, newer,

3:43

fairer maps were adopted earlier this

3:45

year, breathing new life

3:47

into state Democrats in the process. So

3:51

after months of hearing about

3:53

President Biden's problems, motivating the

3:55

Democratic base, I

3:58

wanted to come to Wisconsin. to

4:00

check in on something that is driving

4:02

enthusiasm further down the ballot

4:05

in the state that Democrats must win. Today,

4:09

how Wisconsin's fresh maps have

4:12

upended the state's political terrain, and

4:14

why that could be welcome news for President

4:17

Biden come November. From

4:19

the New York Times, I'm Estette Herndon. This

4:22

is The Run-Up. So,

4:28

here's the story about how the new maps

4:30

in Wisconsin came to be. For

4:33

more than a decade, and as we

4:35

explored in one of the early episodes of The Run-Up,

4:39

Wisconsin's legislative maps have

4:41

been rather creative. All these different

4:43

parts of the state, they would draw these

4:45

wonky, weird lines. It was the

4:47

T-Rex District that looked like a little dinosaur,

4:49

where the mouth of the dinosaur

4:51

was the place where the Democrats lived. That's

4:54

the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, Ben

4:56

Wickler. The Z District in

4:59

Walkersdorf County that looked like

5:02

the letter Z because it was drawn to

5:04

bring all the Democrats together and prevent

5:06

them from electing two state representatives, which is what

5:08

they'd done right before those maps came in. This

5:12

was not your normal political gerrymander. Wisconsin's

5:15

new maps were so one-sided that

5:18

even though the state has a pretty equal

5:21

share of Democrats and Republicans, Republicans

5:24

locked in large majorities in

5:26

the state assembly and senate, which

5:29

they used to block public health care expansion

5:32

and restrict abortion access. In

5:34

Wisconsin, no matter what the government does, we always

5:36

know exactly who's going to control the state legislature

5:38

here, which means the power of the purse and

5:40

the power to write laws. This

5:43

year is when all that starts to change. That

5:47

all started to

5:49

change when liberals

5:52

rallied to win

5:54

an important state.

6:00

State Supreme Court wrote. Wisconsin voters

6:02

have made their voices heard. Yeah!

6:09

They chosen to reject partisan

6:11

extremism in this state. Tipping

6:14

the balance toward progressive justices.

6:18

And in that moment, it became clear

6:20

that democracy could actually be

6:22

reborn in our state. And

6:24

with that new majority, the State

6:26

Supreme Court quickly moved to call

6:28

the legislative maps unconstitutional and

6:30

order new ones. So,

6:33

in January of this year, the

6:36

state's Democratic governor, Tony Evers, drew

6:38

new maps. Then,

6:40

they were approved by Republicans and the

6:43

legislature. Today is a day

6:45

that I believe will define our state's

6:47

future. And Evers signed them

6:49

into law in February. We have

6:51

a once-in-a-generation big bang moment to

6:54

go from near-super majorities in both legislative

6:56

chambers to a chance to win our

6:58

state assembly majority and move towards a

7:00

Senate majority over the next two cycles.

7:03

Immediately, the new maps opened opportunities

7:06

for Democrats across the state. And

7:09

towns like Eau Claire and Appleton, but

7:11

also in rural areas too. Suddenly

7:14

they're purple, just like the actual populace is.

7:17

And that means in northwest, southeast, central

7:19

Wisconsin, you could have these patches

7:21

of blue open up, where right now it's a sea of red.

7:24

Which is the reason I came to Lodi. Lodi

7:27

and the 14th Senate District

7:29

is essential to ever getting a

7:32

Democratic majority in the state Senate.

7:35

Because, despite all the excitement about what

7:38

these new maps could mean for Democrats,

7:41

there's still a pretty significant political challenge

7:43

here. For years, Democrats

7:45

have lost ground in rural communities, both

7:48

in Wisconsin and across the country. Which

7:52

has helped fuel the perception that the

7:54

party is out of touch. Hi,

7:59

how are you? you. But

8:03

I'm not sure that description fits

8:05

Sarah Kieski. The first

8:08

time political candidate, Democrats recruited

8:10

to run in the all-important,

8:12

newly competitive 14th Senate

8:14

District in Lodi. Sarah is

8:16

the daughter of a dairy

8:18

farmer, mom of six. She also is a

8:20

mental health counselor. We

8:33

actually talked to her in a therapy

8:35

office. Sarah grew up in the town

8:37

of about 800,000 people.

8:46

Not too far from Lodi. My graduating

8:49

class was about 49 people.

8:52

Grew up on a dairy farm there and

8:55

with four siblings. And

8:57

the community was really richly

9:00

rural. We were

9:02

very steeped into our

9:04

Lutheran background. So there

9:07

was a lot of neighbors that went to the same

9:09

church, a small little church up on the hill. And

9:12

so we just did a

9:14

lot with that. After spending

9:16

time in some bigger cities, she

9:18

moved here to raise her family and

9:20

started counseling in Lodi. And I really

9:23

didn't know if it would work because it's such a small

9:25

town. But I really believe

9:27

in having people have

9:30

access to what they need

9:33

for care. And so I opened this

9:35

practice in 2018 and

9:38

was fortunate enough that it

9:41

was successful. I wanted

9:43

to understand how Sarah went from therapist

9:45

to political candidate, why

9:47

Democrats often struggle in rural communities,

9:50

and how she plans to pitch herself in

9:52

a race of such critical importance. Turns

9:55

out her entry to politics

9:57

was recent. The

10:00

became something on my radar

10:02

for me personally. or less

10:04

than nine. Months ago. Wealth?

10:07

Yeah, so. During covered

10:09

I'm. Being.

10:12

A therapist. Ended up

10:14

being very. Happy. I

10:16

would say it was I'm spreads they

10:18

ended up. I mean, I'm azimuth as

10:20

I have for Fiat and. You know,

10:23

I've done it for so long that

10:25

I I find it very invigorating. I

10:27

love doing what I do, but with

10:29

the first time that I really. Have

10:33

dreamed deeply drained by the

10:35

work I was doing and.

10:38

I wasn't sure like how to

10:40

manage that honestly I'm and so

10:42

as I said to people nobody

10:44

wants to depress therapist who I

10:46

says to figure out how way

10:48

to get me he and for

10:50

me what I found. Along

10:53

the way it was a great quote and

10:55

manner of. Passion. Project

10:57

basically. Support was action is

10:59

the antidote to despair I don't

11:02

bears and that really helped

11:04

me to go. That's what I

11:06

need to do. They need. To

11:09

the this. distress

11:11

I have into something that feels

11:13

meaningful. Fair. And so that zone

11:16

by as inspiration. And. Help start

11:18

a nonprofit. Focused. On a day

11:20

of service and low that. It. Was com

11:22

this low price and I just

11:24

said hey, who would be willing

11:26

to volunteer less work? An optimist

11:29

in our community? By

11:31

putting park under that,

11:33

I'm. Since. As it

11:35

was cleaning the windows at the

11:37

library it was and breaking a

11:39

neighbor's lawn doing that assess because

11:41

service I think is really empowering

11:43

and it gives us a sense

11:46

of like something bigger than ourselves.

11:48

the sphere healing. List.

11:50

Lodi is a hit in town. And

11:52

after that, A. Neighbor encourage her

11:54

to run for state assembly. Which.

11:57

At the time. Was. A really tough

11:59

race to. They said, you know what,

12:01

what'll help is you'll get your name on the ballot,

12:04

um, really, really, really hard to win, but

12:06

you can help up-check it and you can

12:08

get a message out there, a progressive message

12:10

about what really matters. But

12:13

as we now know, the maps changed

12:16

and with it, Lodi and the surrounding

12:18

areas weren't quite as hard for

12:20

Democrats to win anymore, which

12:22

for most political candidates would have

12:25

been incredible news. Those

12:27

new maps changed the, um,

12:30

district that I was in from a plus

12:34

18 Republican to a plus

12:36

16 Democrat. And

12:39

honestly that, it

12:43

lost some of its, um, poll

12:46

for me because I thought then, well,

12:48

other people are going to be willing

12:50

to run because you can get that seat. And

12:52

I had heard that there was somebody that was really

12:54

interested in running. And so there'd be a primary and

12:57

I was really interested in not necessarily

12:59

needing to do that. And so I

13:01

was actually contemplating and talking to people about

13:03

maybe bowing out and just endorsing that

13:06

person. And to be clear, the

13:08

part of it that was less appealing to you was that

13:11

you was what? Well,

13:13

you didn't want to run against other Democrats. Not

13:16

really. Um, I thought that seems

13:18

like a little bit of a waste

13:20

of resources. Um, I also thought the

13:23

new map, the district was a little

13:25

less the rural. And for me, rural

13:27

is my heart. And

13:29

so while I love, um, the

13:32

other area, it just was, it wasn't as

13:34

compelling to me. I didn't feel like I

13:36

was as needed. So wouldn't I,

13:39

I have an energy that

13:41

if I'm passionate about something, I can do

13:43

lots, but I'm not passionate about it.

13:46

Like, you know, my heart's not

13:48

in it. And so I kind of just didn't feel like my heart was

13:50

out of it. Just when she was

13:52

thinking about getting out of the race, I

13:54

got a call from two senators, her

13:57

phone rang and I, and I talked to

13:59

them and I. Said to them he

14:01

said i love that you're in are

14:03

asking me I said that I need

14:05

to know like. Why?

14:07

and. The

14:10

fact that I don't have to change because

14:12

I don't wanna change, I wanna be able

14:14

to be myself. I don't I don't wanna

14:16

be a cookie cutter process of that just

14:18

doesn't I'm I'm too old to be other

14:20

than who I am. he said no like

14:23

zero. That's actually what we want might just

14:25

be you. We believe that you have the

14:27

right arm to your for your community and

14:29

then we talked about well you know some

14:31

of the things that are important to me

14:33

and what it would mean to be a

14:35

senator and having than you know maybe been

14:38

able to flip the on the senate. Ah

14:40

in Twenty twenty six and the fact

14:42

that maybe than we could have universal

14:44

meals for children for in school or

14:46

maybe we could have better access to

14:48

mental health services maybe we should have

14:50

and all the sudden like everything in

14:52

me felt like okay this is what

14:54

I needed to do Now this is

14:56

what I'll do because. You don't have

14:58

that important Yemen soon on the issues

15:01

that got you motivated. I see the

15:03

through line between stargazer things like the

15:05

nonprofits. I guess considering how recently your

15:08

limbs turn to politics, how did you

15:10

go about finding. Policy.

15:12

Issues that you most cared about

15:14

and what are the specific ones

15:17

that you would say? Your campaign,

15:19

his house, then Boom. Well.

15:23

Part. Of his reflection and I'll say

15:25

when I started my practice one of

15:27

the things I did was with called

15:29

the values assessment and when I did

15:31

that the values that came to the

15:33

surface. Were. Contribution.

15:38

Comparison. And. Moral courage

15:40

and so sifting into politics than

15:42

is really about comparison. What comparison

15:44

to me is all about how

15:46

do we serve one another? How

15:49

do we make sure that the

15:51

least of those arm or served

15:53

well? So Medicaid expansion for example,

15:55

is really important to me to

15:57

make sure that everybody has. There

16:00

are two. To.

16:02

Healthcare. Improve

16:05

mental health care

16:07

access Rural. Economies are

16:09

really important to me, making sure

16:11

that we have some businesses that

16:13

are I'm supported in our World

16:16

Cup communities. They are the life

16:18

of a town. Public school funding

16:20

is hugely important, women have the

16:23

right to make decisions other body

16:25

and have autonomy on for the

16:27

healthcare decisions arm. So reproductive rights

16:30

are important. I'm so. I guess

16:32

all of those things are just

16:34

things that are important and then

16:37

they translate ultimately. Into legislation.

16:39

How is the brand of the Democratic

16:41

Party in rural communities right with you?

16:43

Think about Wisconsin. I mean, I know,

16:45

we know. The numbers has become increasingly

16:47

urban of a party, has been less

16:49

and less democrats representing rural communities, and

16:52

the bottom is kind of fallen off

16:54

for some of the folks. When you

16:56

look at the national level. when you

16:58

say I'm a democrat and you're in

17:00

a place that's overwhelmingly repubs, you must

17:02

a response. Is. Not.

17:07

Necessarily. Positive on.

17:13

I see if I can connect

17:15

with the things. That

17:18

you was that are important

17:20

rights. Making sure that we

17:22

support one another in making

17:24

sure that. There's not

17:26

too much government interference like having

17:29

a say. Over. Our bodies. I'm

17:32

making sure that we

17:34

support. Small. Businesses so

17:36

that me can. Uplift our communities

17:38

and but didn't diagnosed for me I

17:41

would you think was wrong for democrats

17:43

Rockies give it use to do better

17:45

about like yeah. I think that

17:47

there's a lot of disinformation

17:49

I think. although I think

17:51

there's also some truth to

17:54

on there is then. Me:

17:57

Know in it and elite class if you will

17:59

that those. About that I

18:01

don't think is necessarily inaccurate

18:04

either. I'm so I think

18:06

it says then maybe means

18:08

ah, I'm. Away.

18:11

From some of those. Central. Ideals.

18:13

I'm. But I

18:16

also think more of it is this

18:18

information. Honestly, I hear you. I

18:20

remember like you know, Talking.

18:23

With Thompson Democrats of the last eight

18:25

years or so and it was so

18:27

defined by this. Feeling. That

18:29

when look at. The. Madison some a

18:31

walk ease and surrounding areas. there was

18:33

functionally growing and further and further apart

18:36

from other parts of the state. Like.

18:39

I now see the possibility with these

18:41

massive maybe that was so overblown like

18:43

maybe the reason. That. There was such

18:45

of that split was because he though there

18:48

were literally babs drawn so that people shouldn't

18:50

have happened with. Some

18:52

serious like. How. Sit.

18:55

Out. How real Do you think? I'm A

18:58

state that has become politically known for it's

19:00

urban Moreau kind of split? Have Real? Do

19:02

you think that's with As as someone who

19:04

kind of sits at an intersection of some

19:07

of those things. Why live

19:09

in a small town? I have a

19:11

lot of small town friends, and I

19:13

am a lot of democrats his friends,

19:16

so I know that there's a lot

19:18

of people in rural areas that share

19:20

my same values and so on. I

19:22

don't think it's nearly as ah, clear

19:25

cut as what it looks like with

19:27

the mouth, so I think it's it's

19:29

gonna be very interesting. I think there's

19:32

a lot of purple. And

19:34

I think some people that were

19:36

historically maybe even read. And

19:39

will probably lean toward.

19:42

something different this this selection is it as

19:44

feel like there's a little energy among democrats

19:46

in the state now but it's not as

19:49

we hear energy around the selection broadly you

19:51

know like i we travel across the country

19:53

specific to twenty twenty four and so much

19:55

of what we hear the opposite as apathy

19:58

i don't like the case I don't want

20:00

to get involved. I want to actually ignore

20:02

this race. And I know

20:04

that there are ways that when you localize

20:06

the issues, you can talk to people more

20:08

specifically. I guess I was

20:10

just curious for you to flip it the other

20:13

way for a second. Like when you look nationally,

20:15

are you like Donald

20:18

Trump versus Joe Biden again? Like is it

20:20

hard to create energy with such familiarity at

20:22

the top of the ticket? So

20:26

I will say that I'm

20:29

very clear that Joe

20:32

Biden as the Democratic nominee

20:34

is an imperfect person and

20:36

there's some things particularly around

20:38

Gaza that are concerning to

20:41

me. But I

20:43

feel very good about

20:45

what he's done. I feel like

20:47

he's done such important work with

20:50

the infrastructure bill with the chips

20:52

and science app. That

20:54

when I look at what he's

20:56

accomplished to me, it's

20:59

kind of a no-brainer to say, oh my

21:01

gosh, let's do more of that. You have

21:03

been incredible in that role. And

21:06

the other day I was listening to a woman

21:08

who is a Native American and she

21:11

made a good point. She

21:13

said, you know, in our culture, we really respect

21:15

elders. We respect that

21:17

they have a knowledge from

21:20

living a long life. And

21:22

I feel like in some ways we're wanting

21:24

sort of entertainment. But

21:27

I think that is something

21:29

that we really need to consider is

21:31

this respect for this wisdom that is

21:33

a through line

21:35

because of his experience and

21:38

because of his age and life experience.

21:41

And I think we can get beyond the numbers

21:43

a bit and just see what he's done, what

21:45

he's capable of doing and who he is as

21:47

a man. I feel really excited that he's going

21:50

to. Is that what you hear when you talk to people? That's

21:52

what I hear when I talk to myself. Like in

21:54

the energy sense in the community sense. I

22:00

would say. I

22:02

would say that there's some of

22:04

that race in the in the

22:07

democratic Mans party I would say

22:09

not below billie locally but again

22:11

I think that's the message or

22:13

just seems to get out there

22:15

than and so is he about

22:17

getting energized to present this other

22:19

narrative that the I think is

22:21

valid. I think it's really viable.

22:23

I'm. So. Hopefully there

22:25

will be were energizing of it. I'm with

22:27

many of us. Bring it to. The. Forefront just

22:30

jump on. So there's really no

22:32

the for say I wrote hope

22:34

you never know if and that

22:36

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22:40

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22:42

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to the only with for okay

24:00

one does. Hi, Will. As

24:04

we were speaking with Sarah, a small

24:06

group of volunteers gathered outside her office. Are

24:09

we all taking two sheets or are we

24:11

all taking one? I took two. I think

24:13

two is better. The signature

24:15

collection period for state Senate candidates had

24:17

just opened, and Sarah

24:19

needed 400 signatures to get on the ballot.

24:23

Many people feel about braiding the

24:25

rain a little bit. That many

24:27

drawers are not very good. I

24:29

think the reach person could have

24:31

one. These volunteers were

24:33

eager to get started, despite

24:35

the winds and increasingly stormy

24:37

sky. Did you make that? Yes,

24:40

I did. Can you describe what it is for

24:42

the audio? So this is a map

24:45

with the three assembly seats

24:48

that make up the 14th Senate seat

24:50

with each of the townships, villages, and

24:53

cities mapped out on it

24:55

so that because the maps have changed,

24:57

not everybody knows which district they're in.

25:00

So this is just when they say, I'm not in

25:02

that district. I can say, yes, you are right then.

25:06

We tagged along with Sarah. Oh my. Look

25:09

at this level. And

25:12

walked up the street away from downtown

25:14

Lodi into a pretty classic small town

25:16

neighborhood. I

25:19

love wraparound portraits. I love them.

25:22

Filled with old Victorian houses and

25:24

sprawling yards. Hi,

25:29

are you David? Yes, I am. My

25:31

name is Sarah Kielechi, and I'm running

25:33

for local state senate. Most

25:36

of these voters were Democrats who voted

25:39

for Joe Biden in 2020. So

25:41

I was interested in their support for Sarah, but

25:44

also how they were thinking about the relationship between

25:47

the seat she's running for and the top of

25:49

the ticket. The

25:57

first person we asked was a familiar face for

25:59

Sarah. Sarah, her friend Stephanie,

26:02

and her son Fred, who

26:04

was very curious about our

26:06

microphone. Fred

26:17

held the mic as we asked Stephanie about her

26:19

vote. Well, and the down ballot

26:21

is really at the bottom line,

26:23

and at least in my like limited

26:26

time as a voter, I feel like

26:28

is what has the

26:30

most significant impact on like my day to

26:32

day and especially as a parent on my

26:34

day to day life. It's definitely the first

26:37

time like I'm like not enthusiastic, you know,

26:39

about especially around the

26:41

presidential election. Why is that? I

26:46

really liked Biden a while

26:48

ago. And not that I

26:50

don't like him anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah,

26:54

I think my struggle

26:56

is a lot around

26:58

foreign policy decisions being made.

27:00

So, are you doing better about Biden before

27:03

the kind of last six months post-doc? Yes,

27:05

for sure. Yes, for sure.

27:09

I never stood behind

27:11

the ageist kind of perspective

27:14

because both candidates are old, right? What

27:17

I prefer to have a candidate that's closer to

27:19

my age as a millennial, for sure, right? It's

27:22

not the world we live in. So, sometimes you have to

27:24

navigate the world you live in. And

27:26

prior to what happened six months ago,

27:28

I wouldn't say I was excited, but

27:30

I was more accepting of it. So,

27:33

like when we voted in the

27:36

recent election, my

27:38

husband and I, neither one of

27:40

us voted for Biden, right? We

27:42

did the protest vote, essentially. Now

27:44

we will vote for Biden in

27:47

the election, but I wanted to send a message

27:49

that I did not

27:53

think that the way he was handling U.S.

27:55

policy around Israel and Palestine

27:58

was appropriate. So, I

28:01

mean, that had a little bit of impact,

28:03

I think, right? Like he, you know, Biden

28:05

talked to Netanyahu and came down

28:07

a little more forcefully than he had in the past. So

28:10

that, that's that. Yeah, hopefully it does

28:12

make a difference. But what I'm really

28:14

excited about is my local elections and

28:16

who I'm voting for and who I'm

28:18

going to sign. Who are you

28:20

voting for? I'm going to Sarah Kiansky. She's the best.

28:22

I love you. Yay! Oh

28:25

my God, you guys! Thank you. Thank you. You're

28:28

so amazing. At

28:33

this point, the storm was starting to set in. Hi there.

28:36

Don't get blown away. I was

28:39

looking for Diane, but.. Lucky

28:42

for us. We met Dan and Diane. Why

28:44

don't you just come in? You don't want you blown away.

28:46

I don't want you blown away. A gracious

28:48

couple who led us into their home to escape

28:51

the weather. Well, welcome to Wisconsin. Thank you for

28:53

being here. Thanks for listening to your home. It's

28:55

so beautiful. I know. The old Victorian,

28:57

you know? I'm like, I just

28:59

don't get to see these kind of houses very often.

29:01

And now they're inviting me in. I love it. Thank

29:03

you. Well, yeah. If you don't, yeah.

29:05

Would you mind also signing down? I'd be happy

29:07

to. Thank you so much. Have

29:10

you always been in this area? Since

29:13

1979. Been

29:16

in the Lodi area. Yes. My

29:18

kids went to school here. I raised

29:20

them here. My late husband was the chief of

29:22

police here. I

29:25

actually reconnected with someone

29:28

I went to high school with at a class reunion. We

29:31

got married 12 years ago. Oh, what

29:33

a lovely story. And I took her to the dark side.

29:36

He's a retired firefighter. Impairment. And

29:39

you're from Lodi? No,

29:41

I was actually from... I

29:44

lived in a few different communities. So

29:47

I worked for the city of Wauwatosa. I

29:51

had 32 years there and I was

29:53

teaching EMS for 37

29:55

years with the school system down in

29:57

Wauwatosa. Yeah, one of the things that's been really important to

29:59

me... is first responder mental

30:01

health. It

30:04

is and I've been talking to the chief of police

30:06

a bit about that over the last couple of years

30:09

and then I've had some people that work

30:11

EMF as clients and I

30:13

just feel like that's an issue

30:16

that is really not well understood

30:18

or addressed and

30:20

so wanting yeah. Can I ask a

30:22

political question? I'm curious just

30:24

how you all feel about this election can

30:27

you just subscribe if you think to

30:29

November and election day like what's the emotion

30:31

that comes to your mind? Well

30:34

that's a loaded question. I would

30:37

have to say that I

30:39

am afraid that the people in the

30:41

United States today have forgotten our history

30:44

and what has happened in the years

30:47

past and what caused us to go

30:49

into World War II. I'm not ashamed

30:51

to say that I think Trump is

30:53

a modern day Hitler. I

30:57

think that he will take our country

30:59

down a road if he gets elected

31:01

that we don't want to see. We

31:04

experienced it once before and I

31:06

don't ever want to see it happen again and

31:08

if he gets in again I'm really

31:12

afraid of what's going to happen to this country. Wisconsin

31:15

holds such an important role obviously

31:17

in the election. So I'm

31:19

sure around you there's Trump supporters. I'm

31:22

sure your friends, your people around you

31:25

how is that affected or it hasn't

31:27

affected any personal relationships because you feel

31:29

so strongly about the stakes here. I'm

31:31

sure you also know people who love

31:34

him. We don't talk about

31:36

it. It's created a lot of problems

31:38

with families. It's created a lot of

31:40

problems with neighbors. The

31:43

society that we live in right now I feel

31:45

bad for the younger people because

31:48

it's a very hateful society.

31:50

It's all about me. We're

31:53

fortunate we have a couple to answer your

31:55

question a couple neighbors that work

31:57

well with us but we really don't get into those

31:59

subject. matters because we know who

32:01

even our family members are, close

32:05

ones that are on one side as

32:07

opposed to the other. You know I'm

32:09

worried about, I don't understand how women

32:11

can vote for Trump

32:14

because of his history and

32:17

they do. You know he's very forceful and

32:19

how he presents himself. The

32:21

biggest thing that bothers me in politics is

32:24

even bigger than that. It has to do

32:26

with age. We have two guys

32:28

that are closed in and 80 years old. They're

32:31

running our country. Why? Why can't we get

32:33

younger people in those positions? When I speak

32:35

of younger they have to be seasoned. They

32:38

have to be somebody that has to be maybe give

32:41

or take 50, 60 years old that have

32:44

visions for the future. You

32:46

know, do these older

32:48

politicians have visions for the future or how much

32:50

money that they put in their pockets? And I'm

32:52

talking about both sides of that fence. Where

32:55

are you as it were you saying? Because

32:58

if something should happen to him in

33:00

office, Camilla would come in as the

33:02

next president. I don't know that she's

33:04

totally qualified for it but I think

33:06

it is time for a woman to

33:08

come into office. I think

33:11

when I look around the world

33:13

the number of female world leaders

33:16

far surpasses what anyone would ever

33:18

expect and I think

33:21

the United States is far behind in that

33:24

aspect of things and giving women the credit

33:26

that they're due. What makes

33:30

you unsure that she's qualified? Just

33:35

listening to her. I can't

33:39

put a specific on it because I

33:41

don't honestly know all of

33:43

her background but when

33:46

I listen to how she delivers

33:48

her speeches, how she delivers responses

33:51

to questions, it

33:53

makes me wonder if she's seasoned

33:55

enough to take on

33:57

that dynamical role. And

34:00

I could be totally wrong because

34:02

she could come in and her confidence level could

34:05

go from here, you know, a throw

34:07

off. And that's what we need

34:09

for any leader that would come in if

34:12

something were to happen to Biden, I

34:15

think she's, she's a good

34:18

support person in

34:21

the role that she's in, I think she's in

34:23

a good position for what she's got. I

34:26

remember people who, I went to Marquette and Milwaukee,

34:28

so I have some friends who are still in

34:30

Wisconsin. And I remember in 2016, people telling me

34:33

like, I don't know about these

34:35

polls. Things feel like Trump is kind of

34:37

more popular here than people are saying. And I

34:40

remember in 2020, a kind of opposite feeling

34:42

that people were feeling like, I don't know, like

34:44

maybe he would lose. Do you have any

34:46

feelings right now? When you, are people talking about

34:48

the election? Do you think, do you have

34:50

any sense from your neighbors or your community? Um,

34:53

how people are feeling about the candidates? I'm

34:57

going to say no for this area

34:59

right now. I haven't even communicated with

35:01

anybody about it. I

35:04

was disappointed that president Biden chose to

35:06

run again. Again, I'm the age guy.

35:08

You know, I, I think we need

35:10

Camilla, even she ran herself, you know,

35:13

with a different vice president,

35:15

a person, whatever, however it would

35:17

have played out. Uh,

35:20

from what I'm seeing is it's been

35:22

silent. Neighbors don't want to talk

35:24

about it. Family members don't want

35:26

to talk about the,

35:29

I hate to say it.

35:31

My personal family members that are Trump

35:33

supporters, they don't hesitate,

35:35

you know, bring on the guns, bring on

35:37

this, let's fight them. Let's get them. You

35:39

know, it's that kind of

35:41

concept. And my son is a Trump supporter.

35:44

And mine was, how

35:46

could you be a Trump supporter? I

35:49

don't understand it. I raised you better

35:51

than that. Well,

35:53

I mean, that's a, we have

35:55

in the past and we came

35:57

to the conclusion that we were at an.

36:00

There and there would have been no change.

36:02

I mean, he was actually going out and

36:04

buying. Weapons of Mass

36:06

Destruction. I would say because he was gonna be

36:08

ready and I might pretty from. Financing off

36:10

of happen said General Us people

36:12

are not a got in this

36:14

mentality. Spam, awesome announcer of episodes

36:16

of Houses Are Going To Pay

36:18

To I think that was really

36:21

helpful, partially because you know we're

36:23

trying to ask people about how

36:25

it feels locally for them and

36:27

on because as we travel. You.

36:29

Can set tell people tuning in to the selection

36:31

for the first time and see your point. Some

36:34

folks trying to block it out arm and so

36:36

you know this is helpful the hear how people

36:38

are interacting with it within their families with in

36:40

their communities. I hope they're

36:42

smart was they were the last.

36:46

Ah ah ah ah ah ah And

36:48

you know where I'm going with ally

36:50

of his eyes Again, I am. I

36:52

know I don't like to see President

36:55

Biden of as a beam of the

36:57

persistence but I father he was. I

36:59

would rather silly to think well as

37:02

I. I

37:04

hope of our. Said

37:07

you also as the African. Here's.

37:12

What happened next? Those dark

37:14

clouds turned into a massive thunderstorm

37:16

was temporarily traps all of us

37:18

and then and I as house.

37:22

And and I eventually got back to

37:24

Madison are we continued our check up

37:26

on Democratic Enthusiasm. Both

37:28

as a top of the ticket and

37:31

down ballot races like Sarah's. Which

37:34

led us to a conference. Right

37:36

across from the state capital. Was

37:39

wrong. About

37:41

that I. Will

37:45

we met Gov Tony? Even. The.

37:47

Architect of A States New Maps. Even

37:50

was first elected in Twenty eighteen,

37:53

narrowly defeating Scott Walker and Wisconsin

37:55

republican who have been governors and

37:57

Twenty eleven. And assure them

37:59

here. of conservative dominance, thanks

38:02

in large part to the maps. Thank

38:05

you. We're outside the Capitol

38:07

here. And one

38:09

of the things we wanted to do is

38:11

talk to you about the change in the

38:14

legislative maps that happened. And for the last

38:16

decade or so, it's been so defined by

38:18

the gerrymander that's limited democratic power in

38:21

this state. Before we get to what's changed now,

38:23

can you just tell me what it was like

38:25

to be a Democrat in Wisconsin at the time

38:27

when, you know, I think the political sense was

38:29

that Democrats couldn't do much?

38:31

Right. Yeah, it

38:34

was kind of a dark

38:36

time here in the state because, you know,

38:38

we have a progressive history

38:40

here with, you know, Gaylord

38:43

Nelson and Proxmire

38:45

and lots of others that

38:47

preceded me in these positions

38:49

and, you know, whether it's

38:51

environment or anything else. And

38:54

then suddenly the right

38:57

wave came through and took care of issues

38:59

of let's

39:02

bust unions, let's cut things

39:04

for schools. And frankly,

39:07

that just wasn't consistent

39:09

with my worldview and a

39:11

lot of other people's worldview. And

39:14

we had to make that change so that

39:16

we, you know, we have to be honest.

39:19

We're a purple state. We're not a red state.

39:21

We're not a blue state. We're a purple state.

39:24

And our legislative actions, and

39:26

before I became governor, the actions

39:29

of the executive branch

39:31

certainly didn't reflect that. And

39:34

so we felt with

39:36

the new maps, we were in

39:38

a much better place to do the work

39:41

of the people. What does it mean tangibly for

39:43

these new maps? How will that translate to policy

39:45

in this legislative session and going forward? Oh, it's

39:47

going to have a huge, I'm

39:49

spending most of my time outside

39:51

of being governor, raising money for these

39:53

folks that are going to be running

39:55

for office for the first time, many of them.

39:58

But yes, absolutely. I think we can

40:00

get all sorts of things done with Fair

40:03

Maps. We've never taken the Medicaid

40:06

expansion here in the state of Wisconsin. I'm

40:08

sure we're, I think, maybe 10 states, the

40:10

rest of them all, real

40:13

red, that have not taken that. And

40:16

we, as a result of that, our

40:18

health care system is nowhere near where we want

40:20

it to be, especially

40:22

for people that struggle

40:24

mightily in this state. That

40:27

is a good common

40:30

sense issue that we

40:32

can work on together,

40:35

frankly, with more Democrats

40:37

in the legislature. It's

40:40

a numbers thing. Yeah, yeah. It creates

40:42

a different level of possibility for you as governor

40:44

also. We were canvassing out

40:46

in Lodi yesterday, and one of the

40:48

things that came up was how the

40:51

maps kind of reinforced the sense of

40:53

urban-rural divide in the state, partially because

40:56

it made Democrats unable to

40:58

win in some of those rural areas that

41:00

they now have opportunities for. But

41:03

something that also came up was the kind of

41:05

sense that the Democrats had a bad brand in

41:07

those rural communities. I wanted to know what you

41:09

thought about that. Do you

41:11

think the Democratic brand needs some work

41:13

in maybe places where Democrats weren't able

41:15

to run or were competitive previously? Yeah,

41:18

and I guess some of that is

41:20

with Democrats not having a great

41:23

chance to represent those

41:25

areas too. They're hearing what

41:27

Democrats and Malky and Madison

41:29

are talking about, which may frankly

41:31

not have much to do with

41:33

what's happening in rural Wisconsin. So

41:37

yes, finding ways to deal

41:39

with issues, whether it's agriculture

41:41

issues, whether it's roads, infrastructure,

41:43

things like that. Yeah,

41:46

that's what we have to focus on. We

41:49

have, frankly, since I've been governor. So

41:51

I am jazzed about the future. We're

41:53

gonna be able to get some things

41:55

done that we frankly haven't. I

41:57

wanted to talk about the national race too, because. Wisconsin

42:00

uniquely, obviously, sits an important place in

42:02

the electoral college, but also part of

42:04

this Democratic blue wall that's often talked

42:06

about where the presidential race will likely

42:09

come through Wisconsin, Michigan, where

42:11

am I, Pennsylvania, right? Oh,

42:15

and as the governor, what do you think

42:17

this race will come down to? Biden won by 21,000 votes

42:19

last time. Four out

42:21

of the last six presidential races in Wisconsin, won

42:23

by less than the percentage point. Do you expect

42:26

it to be that close again? Yes, absolutely. There's

42:29

nothing that will lead me to believe otherwise.

42:31

It'll be a close race. And

42:33

I think Biden will win, but

42:36

yeah, it'll be close. We are

42:39

a purple state, and our

42:41

purple lists will be evident.

42:44

But I also believe that our work to

42:47

create new maps

42:49

and have new legislators

42:52

and more Democratic legislators

42:54

to essentially reflect what Wisconsin is,

42:58

got to bring out more people and

43:00

more Democrats. And I think that will help

43:02

not only Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, I

43:04

think it'll help Tammy

43:07

Baldwin and others that are running for

43:09

office. People are fired up.

43:12

And what's happening on the national

43:14

stage, whether it's about abortion or

43:16

democracy, all those things that play

43:18

a role here in Wisconsin too.

43:20

And so I think it'll be

43:22

a good turnout of people. It

43:25

could be record breaking. It

43:28

seems like we're kind of flipping the script. We usually talk

43:30

about the top of the ticket having the tail down ballot.

43:32

It sounds like you're talking about down ballot actually fueling the

43:34

top. That's our hope. What's

43:37

good for Goos, pardon

43:40

the gander, it's good for the goose or vice versa.

43:42

I'm not sure which that is. But

43:47

they help us. We help them. You

43:50

know, we've seen Biden certainly

43:52

come to Wisconsin and prioritize the

43:54

state with the kind of recognition

43:56

of its importance in November. Do

43:58

any, I know it's. six, seven months

44:00

out. I know it's going to be close here,

44:03

but do any of this kind of like polling,

44:05

bad approval ratings, like any of that type of

44:08

what I think is consternation from national Democrats,

44:11

how do you feel about the state? Where

44:13

might it come down to? Are Democrats

44:17

in trouble? No, different.

44:19

No different than it has been the last

44:21

two elections. No, I

44:24

think with the President

44:26

visiting here often and the Vice President

44:28

also, and frankly, I think Donald Trump

44:31

coming here often is

44:33

okay too. I mean, his

44:37

stuff is way out there.

44:39

And I think some of

44:42

the things that he talks about,

44:44

even moderate Republicans gasp. And

44:46

so having him around is good. Good.

44:50

You think the backlash helps you all?

44:52

Sure. And on,

44:54

you know, yesterday we were out in

44:56

low dyes, and I was saying, That's

44:58

the whole of Susie the Duck, by

45:01

the way. We learned about Susie the

45:03

Duck. I actually had no, we had

45:05

no idea about Susie's fame, but it

45:07

had a real crash course. Susie the

45:09

Duck. That's Wisconsin. But when

45:11

we were on the doors, people

45:13

were pretty, even

45:15

though there was excitement about the down ballot, as

45:17

you mentioned, and the ability to elect new Democrats,

45:20

we heard a lot about

45:22

Biden's age. We heard a lot about

45:24

Gaza. We heard a lot of

45:26

folks saying they wish they had other

45:28

options. As the Democrat, the governor of

45:30

the state, do you have to speak

45:32

to those concerns directly? Sure. You know,

45:34

age is always an issue. And, you

45:37

know, I'm getting up there myself. So, but

45:40

I'll tell you, I just, you know, people might

45:42

say, yeah, I'd like to have somebody younger. Well,

45:45

that's not a choice now. You

45:47

know, it's Joe Biden is AG

45:50

is and Trump's age. He is

45:52

and they're the, they're the two.

45:54

The choices are stark differently.

45:57

We are in a good place as a state to move forward. forward

46:00

and let's get it going.

46:03

I will say Gaza is an issue. It's going

46:05

to continue to be an issue, obviously. There's

46:07

probably nothing more fluid

46:10

than what's going on in the Middle East.

46:13

And that of this play out the way

46:15

it plays out. I'm not saying that people

46:17

aren't, they

46:19

shouldn't have those concerns, because I

46:22

do too. Everybody does. You see

46:24

all these little kids getting murdered,

46:27

frankly, is not

46:29

a sight that anybody wants to

46:31

see. But at the end

46:33

of the day, we're voting for presidents of

46:36

the United States. These are the two main

46:38

candidates. And we've got to get

46:40

behind Biden, and we've got to make sure

46:42

that we have a Democratic legislature. You

46:46

talk about this being a purple state. And

46:48

the fact that you think Republicans and

46:50

Trump actually aren't reflecting that because of

46:53

how extreme you're saying

46:55

they are. Do you

46:57

have to keep Democrats in check too, I'm

46:59

saying, is there an opposite version here?

47:01

Is there a version of the party

47:04

that becomes too blue? Yeah, well, yes,

47:06

I think there is. And some

47:09

Democrats may disagree with me on

47:11

this. But I believe that as

47:13

a purple state that we, and

47:16

after this next election,

47:19

the middle becomes

47:21

much larger on both

47:23

sides. And I think that more

47:26

moderates. On

47:29

both sides than ever before. You think this

47:31

November will produce that? Yes. No

47:34

question in my mind. I think it was, are

47:37

there really good liberals and

47:40

some very good, very conservative

47:42

people? Yes, but most

47:44

people live their lives in the

47:46

middle. And that's a reflection

47:49

of a purple state. And I

47:51

think that means that we can

47:53

get things accomplished. Small

47:56

thing, marijuana, I sway you

47:58

strongly. It'll be. legal

48:01

here in the state of Wisconsin because there's

48:03

a whole bunch of moderate Republicans

48:05

that feel that way and

48:07

a whole bunch of moderate

48:10

Democrats. So we can get

48:12

that done. Is that the major thing?

48:14

Absolutely not, but that's just a good

48:16

example of where I see the middle

48:18

ground being a good place to

48:20

be. I mean I see

48:23

how you could make that case on the state level. Is

48:28

it a problem that that's a harder case to make

48:30

on a national level? Oh hell yes, but

48:32

I think deep down most people are that

48:34

way. I mean I think

48:37

what you hear many times on a

48:39

national level is that oh

48:41

my gosh complaining

48:45

about you know why can't people

48:47

get together? Why can't people do

48:49

this together? It's usually

48:51

because the issues are so polarized

48:54

that it

48:56

doesn't get accomplished. Well frankly there's a

48:58

lot of money at either end. So

49:00

yes I think it's harder

49:02

at the national level but let's

49:04

say this. Let's let the states

49:07

show how we can do it. The

49:10

post November with more moderates do you

49:12

use that veto power less? Do you

49:14

expect to be like you know like

49:16

I was seeing how like you

49:19

know it's been kind of synonymous with you

49:21

kind of using that veto power because of

49:23

the Republican legislature. As it changes do you

49:25

expect that to change? Yes, yes

49:28

to. Yeah that's not a

49:30

great way to govern. I mean do

49:32

I take that job seriously? Hell yes,

49:34

but no that's I would

49:36

anticipate vetoing you know

49:40

minimal half 50% of what I

49:42

do now and

49:44

could be that it just never comes to

49:46

my desk because the moderates will say well

49:50

we're not there. The moderate future to

49:52

come. Thank you I really

49:55

appreciate your time. Thank you so much government. Thank you. So you've

49:58

heard about Susie the Duck. We have,

50:00

we have. We literally... We have a lot of

50:02

people in the Susie's and I. And I had

50:05

not and I, and we heard about the future,

50:07

the Susie lineage. Yeah. We

50:12

did an episode about

50:14

the gerrymander when we were first starting. Partly because when

50:16

I was in school, I remember

50:18

it being such a formative thing. I learned

50:21

about political power. Like, I,

50:23

you know, it was as kind of the

50:26

protests were happening here during Walker. And

50:28

I remember being in Milwaukee and just feeling

50:30

like... ...mortem. I

50:34

was telling people about like the recast of

50:36

the protest and so it became this beginning

50:38

of the sis with us. I

50:41

liked the word moving back around. I

50:46

mentioned this to the governor and a

50:48

few people we met in Lodi. But

50:51

because I spent so much time in Wisconsin during

50:53

the days of the old maps, coming

50:56

back now feels like a full circle

50:58

moment. A story about

51:01

political power, representation, and what's

51:03

possible when the political system more

51:05

closely reflects the people. But

51:09

there's also an electoral take away. Here's

51:12

state democratic chair Ben Wickler again on how

51:15

enthusiasm for state and local racism in

51:17

Wisconsin could make up for the lack

51:20

of enthusiasm that some Democrats feel for

51:22

President Biden. Wisconsin

51:24

elections are decided by a couple of votes

51:26

per precinct around the state. And

51:29

that means that if you have a candidate for

51:31

state legislature who inspires a few hundred people to

51:34

vote who might not otherwise have done so, that

51:37

person could help tip the entire presidential election

51:39

in the state. They could tip the entire

51:41

country. And that means that

51:43

this idea of reverse coattails that a down

51:45

ballot candidate can help an up ballot candidate

51:47

win, it

51:49

could really change the history of our country

51:51

in Wisconsin in this year. This is

51:54

not a year, if you read all the

51:56

polls, characterized by white-hot

51:58

levels of voter enthusiasm. the

52:01

presidential race, but in state-less

52:03

races. There are a bunch

52:05

of people who are furious at their Republican

52:07

representatives and those voters now, if

52:09

they get together, they can turn out and they can flip

52:11

the district of Flint, Sustain, and make it

52:13

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53:16

On Wednesday morning, our colleague Jonah Bromwich,

53:19

who's been reporting on the trial, called us

53:21

up, starting with the one

53:24

big development. This

53:54

Order nine separate times. Now, the $9,000 penalty, $1,000

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for each time you violate it. And

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what we have in front of us

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is. The. Possibility that one of the

54:11

most powerful people in the world who had

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the Commander in Chief who is now under

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the thumb of a New York State court

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trial judge. Can be sent to

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Adversaries whether real or perceived. Held.

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In contempt. We also have the

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trial proper in which witnesses testified.

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We have without calm. And cool witnesses

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those are. The witnesses were going to

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hop on school the narrative in a

54:43

major way and who are going to

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get from cross examination by the defense.

54:47

So far we've had six witnesses overall,

54:49

but we've only had to temple witnesses

54:51

The first talked about last week that

54:54

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the National Enquirer. And what packers that

54:58

just reminds you is that he had

55:00

entered into a secret plot with Trump

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in my books and. To

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suppress nexus. And

55:10

and onto we landed on. His

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name is. Keith David Where

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to start and use represented turned.

55:19

Sixteen seem to be. Story.

55:24

That Trump has always denied. and

55:26

Davidson on Tuesday. Night

55:28

of took the baton from David

55:31

Packer. He corroborated some of the

55:33

testimony but then moved us all

55:36

into Stormy Daniels. and as of

55:38

Wednesday when quarters of where we

55:40

are is that Michael Cohen in

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Davidson's telling Twenty Six team is

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just about to pay him the

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hundred and thirty thousand dollars of

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hush and will keep Stormy Daniel

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silent and the Trump campaign believes

55:55

prosecutor said help ease Trump's path

55:57

to the weapons. Jonah.

56:00

Though updated us on how Trump

56:02

appears to be taking office. I

56:04

mean, we've seen a motion radiating

56:06

from Trump. Skus.

56:12

The other thing closes his eyes

56:14

lot when Max happening. Trump's

56:17

or. Eyes when

56:19

he's seeking to calm down. And

56:21

so it may be that this

56:23

testimony bestowed raising him. And to

56:25

be clear, we're hearing testimony about

56:27

from having affairs, cheating, hiding it

56:29

from his wife, millennia being cheap,

56:31

being frugal, and of course it's

56:34

making him that. Also

56:37

this week tensions escalate and

56:39

as many college campuses across

56:41

the country as demonstrators continued

56:44

protesting Israel's ongoing military campaign

56:46

and Gaza. At University

56:49

in New York City. Or. Didn't

56:51

One hundred students were arrested

56:53

after some demonstrators forcefully took

56:55

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56:57

White House also waited. With.

56:59

White House spokesperson John Kirby Sang,

57:01

the President, believes that forcefully taking

57:04

over a building on campus is

57:06

absolutely the wrong approach. That is

57:08

not an example. a peaceful protest.

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