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three-time Daytona winner also a team

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owner of 2311 Racing and

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the star of the first episode

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of NASCAR's full speed and also

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a podcaster which

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is actually a good part of the

2:55

plot. Again the podcast's actions detrimental. Thanks for doing

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this Denny. How are you man? Yeah I appreciate

2:59

it. Thanks for having me on. So

3:01

did your your PR people say hey

3:03

you should really go on with this Ryan guy

3:05

because we were getting it and I just said

3:07

I don't want to embarrass myself and I don't

3:09

want to waste his time but it seemed like

3:11

people really thought we would hit it off here.

3:13

Yeah I mean we're fellow sports guys right. So

3:15

just because I talk about one

3:17

sport probably more than you carry a

3:20

bunch for a different sport

3:22

so you probably carry. So

3:25

we're still in the same family so I think we

3:27

can make it work. Yeah just content

3:30

guys a couple content guys hanging out. All

3:33

right so in in

3:35

the pilot or excuse I guess I call the pilot

3:38

but it's the first episode of the Netflix series I

3:41

knew I liked you immediately. I was like okay

3:43

and I was like I think I like this guy and

3:45

then within a minute they show

3:48

a clip of everybody booing you and

3:50

I went well what's what's going on.

3:52

So is that the editing? Is that

3:54

the scattering report on your relationship with

3:56

NASCAR fans? Where are you in the

3:58

popularity contest of this sport? in

4:01

the barrel at the bottom for sure.

4:05

That tends to happen I found out when

4:07

you maybe wreck a few popular

4:09

drivers, the

4:11

fans just don't seem to resonate with that

4:14

quite well. So yeah,

4:16

it seems like there is a kind of

4:18

rivalry, I guess you would say, with me

4:20

and the NASCAR fan in general,

4:23

which I'm okay with. Because I'm just

4:26

every time I run up front and win races, I'm

4:28

just throwing in their side that's just not going to

4:30

get rid of. Okay,

4:33

yeah, because I think you yell like I'd be your

4:35

favorite racer. And I was like, that's a really good

4:37

line. Can you, as I've

4:40

admitted, I know almost nothing about the sport, although

4:42

there was one stretch at ESPN very, very early

4:44

on in my career where they were like, we're

4:47

going to be talking NASCAR regularly. So get on

4:49

it. And I studied like crazy in a hotel

4:51

room for Daytona. I talked about it for six

4:53

hours during a live radio show, and then they

4:56

never had us do it again. So it was

4:58

very weird that they were getting on our taste

5:00

that much. So when I think

5:02

about the career arc of an

5:04

athlete, what is it like for a driver? Being

5:06

a little kid and then figuring it out and

5:08

then getting to this point, what's that like? I

5:12

think it's pretty similar to other

5:14

sports, honestly. It's, you always

5:16

hear debate about, well, who would have

5:18

been, who's the best? The

5:21

guys competed in the 90s, the dominators,

5:23

the athletes have been now. The athletes

5:25

are the young kids that are in

5:27

sports now. It's

5:30

different because I think the kind

5:32

of the, what is considered the statistical

5:34

prime of a NASCAR driver

5:36

is in their late 30s. And

5:39

actually, the peak number is like

5:41

40 years old. A

5:44

lot of that, but then there's a huge steep decline.

5:47

Like right after really the age

5:49

I am now, 43, it just

5:51

really goes down. But

5:54

I feel like I've had kind of a resurgence

5:56

in my career here in the latter

5:58

half. you're 19 now,

6:02

just really embracing like every

6:04

other sport, the analytics, the

6:06

data. And if I can mix in,

6:08

you know, giving this

6:10

dog kind of some new tricks along with

6:13

using my veteran experience to beat

6:15

these guys mentally, then I'm going

6:17

to have a leg up, which is why I feel like

6:19

I'm on top of my game right now. So the

6:22

career arc, I would say that is

6:24

you've got drivers that start in

6:26

go-karts when they're eight years old, and

6:29

they worked their way up the ranks and they just

6:31

keep going. You know, the difference in

6:34

NASCAR or other sports is that, you know, if

6:36

you have a son or a daughter or whatever

6:38

that plays sports, you've got to buy them the

6:40

shoes, maybe the helmet, the pads, they're

6:42

good to go. Their career is going to be made

6:44

from their talent level and their accomplishments

6:46

from there. The difference in motor

6:49

racing driving is that you have

6:51

to have funding, right? You have to put tires on

6:53

the car. You got to have a new engine, this,

6:55

that and the other. It's always evolving. So it really

6:58

relies on having a few

7:00

backers behind you or sponsors to

7:03

almost bet on you as a horse. You

7:05

know what I mean? Like I'm going to

7:08

buy into this horse's

7:10

future that he's going to go in the Kentucky

7:12

Derby for me one day and I'm going to

7:14

get a return on that investment. So it's

7:16

just a little bit different because of

7:20

how the career start, how it evolves.

7:22

But, you know, our

7:24

champion last year, Ryan Blaney, I think is

7:26

in his twenties, right? So there's a wide

7:28

range of age between us all, but we're

7:31

all pretty equal on the racetrack. Okay.

7:34

So when I think about

7:36

the quarterbacks and college football players, a little

7:38

bit different because there's more seizing with

7:40

the NBA, you can have a team

7:42

draft somebody and you're like, this guy

7:44

sucks at basketball. And then it's like,

7:46

yeah, but there's how

7:49

big he is, how he moves. Okay. We

7:51

see something where if it goes down, is

7:55

there any similarity with young drivers where

7:57

it's like he's not winning. You

8:00

know, he's not doing this, but there's a way

8:02

he drives that tells us if things were to

8:04

work out that his ceiling is high enough That

8:07

he can compete at the highest level. Is there

8:09

any similarity there? 100% uh when

8:11

I came in, you know, my family had

8:14

little to no funding We really relied on others

8:16

to kind of keep my career going But

8:19

when I did get noticed and I did have

8:21

success the team I drive for says well who's

8:23

next? Who's the next guy

8:25

that's you know, we haven't

8:27

or talking about yet And back then

8:29

I said well, it's it's brad pizosky for

8:31

sure and they're like I mean that

8:33

guy that gets lapsed six times every race I'm

8:35

like yes because I can

8:38

see that he's getting the most out of

8:40

his the car that he's driving He's

8:42

driving the piss out of it He's just you

8:44

can just see if he actually had

8:46

a good car He'd be really good and

8:49

then a few years later the guy wants a championship.

8:51

So Like you know, it's just

8:53

we can see those things. It's really hard for

8:56

The casual fans to see that Um the

8:58

the top end ability of some but I

9:00

know with our team 23 11 We

9:03

hired tyler edica year and a half in

9:05

advance Just because I knew that his ceiling

9:08

was really really high and then if I

9:10

could mentor him a little bit This is

9:12

a guy that would carry my franchise for

9:14

decades So

9:16

I got into f1 because of the netflix series never

9:18

thought I would you know I just don't have a

9:20

ton of time with all the other stuff that I

9:22

watch And it became cool

9:24

because it was exotic. I don't care who you

9:27

are if you're a guy a fucking race car

9:29

is cool Okay, it's just cool But

9:31

the hardest thing that I had and you know, it always

9:33

gets turned into like oh, you're just a stupid american I'm

9:35

like so you get these 10 teams and

9:39

Like seven of them know they have no chance and

9:42

right in the race. They'll be like

9:44

don't race him We're racing for seventh

9:46

today. We're racing for eighth and you're

9:48

like what? like what's

9:50

the point so I

9:53

imagine there's some parts of nascar that are like

9:55

that But it seems to be a far more

9:57

level playing field where anybody has it

10:00

feels like you guys have way more of a chance

10:02

on a weekend than they do. There's

10:04

way more parity for sure. I mean, when you think

10:06

about, I mean, just last year

10:08

in F1, you really had one car,

10:10

one driver dominate the entire thing. And

10:14

realistically, there was two

10:16

and a half teams that could win. So that's

10:20

four, five total drivers that realistically

10:22

could win in F1. Askar,

10:24

it's realistically 18. That

10:28

is with good enough teams, good enough

10:30

pit crews, their talent level is good enough that

10:33

they can do it. So similar to

10:35

like, I think about the NBA and

10:37

when small markets started winning, like

10:39

Milwaukee or whatever it might be,

10:42

people tune in because if they know that

10:44

the Lakers are just going to crush Charlotte

10:48

every time, well, Charlotte's so bad now

10:50

that that's true. But

10:53

people tune in because there's always a chance that

10:55

the smaller market or the underdog has a chance

10:57

to win. And

10:59

F1, that's not really true where an Askar

11:01

actually is true. So the

11:04

competitive parity is what makes

11:06

this form of motorsports in America so

11:09

strong. And it's why you'll

11:11

see this weekend, Daytona 500, the

11:13

sold out crowd because the competition is

11:16

unlike any other. So

11:18

that brings us to the team dynamic. And

11:20

I didn't understand it, and I'm still not

11:22

sure that I do, but you're not only

11:24

a driver, you own a team with Michael

11:27

Jordan, 2311 Racing, where you have two other drivers.

11:33

And that's a big part of the first episode. I

11:36

imagine you're, are you the first to do this? Again,

11:38

I don't know, but that's a,

11:40

that's a, that's good. Like how is that

11:42

even allowed? That's a really

11:45

good question. And a lot of people ask that. Dale

11:48

Earnhardt was the last one who owned

11:50

one team but drove for another. So

11:53

it had been 20, 20

11:56

plus years, the gap and that happening.

11:59

And truthfully. I didn't think I would get into

12:01

team ownership until my career was over, but just

12:03

kind of the chips fell in place right around

12:05

COVID. One team was

12:08

kind of going out of business or not going

12:10

to be able to sustain COVID and

12:12

the impact it had on sponsorship. I was able to

12:14

pick up those pieces and start a team. Obviously

12:17

couldn't do it without Michael Jordan and his

12:19

financial backing as well. And

12:23

so it wasn't

12:26

a conflict until it was. And you

12:28

kind of saw it on the Netflix

12:30

around the third episode or second episode

12:33

where my team owner,

12:35

Joe Gibbs says, well, surely you're going to help our

12:38

team. And I'm like, well, actually I'm

12:40

going to help the team that I own because I need

12:42

to be a leader for them. But

12:45

we have a really good alliance between

12:47

the teams because we are both Toyota

12:50

that they want us working together anyway.

12:52

So my first priority is to win for the

12:54

11 car and this weekend, the FedEx car and the

12:56

Daytona 500. And if my team

12:59

finishes second and third, that's the perfect

13:01

scenario for me because ultimately me winning

13:03

is the best thing that we can do for 2311 to

13:06

keep relevancy and as an

13:09

owner. So listen, I've got years

13:12

and decades to win as a team owner with

13:14

2311, but my years are numbered

13:17

as a driver to win a championship. So

13:20

my goal is always to beat those

13:22

guys and hopefully they finish second. But

13:25

see, this dynamic is what made it so interesting

13:27

in the series. And this is why

13:29

I liked you is you were just like, I'm not going

13:31

to lie. Like I'm just going to tell you the truth.

13:34

And you say on your podcast, you're like, look, if I

13:36

have to get one of my guys across, especially with Bubba

13:38

Watson at the close of last year, trying to get him

13:40

in the playoff is like, that's, I can't go back into

13:42

my team room and tell them

13:44

like, I'm, I'm against you. And

13:47

I'm like, I'm going to show Gibbs gives racing

13:50

and your teammate is his relative. And

13:53

he's going like, was it, why would you

13:55

do this? Or was it more like, why

13:57

the fuck would you say this? He

14:00

just, I said, listen, Joe, there's such

14:03

a small chance that this is even going

14:05

to be a story. Like it's

14:07

only a story of my team

14:10

and your team are

14:12

battling side by side for the win and which

14:14

car do I get behind and push? Like the

14:16

chances of that was less than 1%, which it

14:19

didn't actually happen, right? But it

14:21

was, they wanted to know if that situation

14:23

comes up, how are you going to

14:25

react? And I said, listen, I don't want to disappoint you.

14:27

I just want to be upfront with you and say that

14:30

this is where my lead just lies because

14:33

I just feel like I need to be a

14:35

leader for them and I have to do them

14:37

right. So it worked itself

14:39

out. My relationship with Joe has been

14:42

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14:44

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of right now, Jokic is minus 140. Shay

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Something else here. Let's look at regular season wins.

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We did some research. We

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a half wins. All right. Yours

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plus 118 under minus 144. So

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think of it this way, and I did look up the

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remaining strength of schedule, and Miami has one of the three

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easiest the rest of the way. But

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Miami, who is good, but doesn't really

16:00

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all sorts of guys missing time throughout the

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year, there are five over

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five hundred fifty-five games in so they're

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okay. So we talked during halftime for five

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19:43

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yeah, he's like, my dad was a huge gearhead.

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19:56

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brand athlete. And then 10 to 11 years

20:22

later, this opportunity pops up for

20:24

me to own a NASCAR team. Well, I can't

20:27

do it on my own. I need a partner. But

20:29

there was a speculative article out. It

20:32

was totally not real, but

20:34

it says Denny Hamlin is looking Denny

20:36

Hamlin and Michael Jordan are looking to

20:38

purchasing an minority state and Richard

20:40

Petty racing. That part is only

20:42

half true because I was the one kicking

20:45

tires, debating on how I'm going to get

20:47

in to be a team owner. He had nothing to do

20:49

with it whatsoever, but they just knew me and him were

20:51

friends. And I think

20:54

there was some false information. So I'm like, do I

20:56

send him this article? Like, Ari, I'm going

20:58

to do that. I'm just

21:00

going to do it. So I sent it to him and

21:02

he says, ha ha, it's fake news, obviously. But if you

21:04

want to make it real news, let me know. I

21:07

said, hold up. What

21:09

do you mean? He says, well, are you going to be

21:11

a team owner or not? I said, if

21:14

the right opportunity presents itself, I am

21:17

looking around. He says, well, if you

21:19

want a partner, when that

21:21

time comes, let me know. I

21:23

says, when can you meet?

21:26

So I had my business team type

21:29

up a kind of

21:31

a business proposal, how we're going to, how we're going to

21:33

get this off the ground, how we're going to run it.

21:35

Here's the financials. And so

21:37

I flew down there two days later to Florida, met

21:39

with them and says, here's the

21:41

plan. And he says, listen, I, I'm

21:44

in, but this is going to have to go through my

21:47

people. Right. So they spent the next

21:49

two months kind of vetting NASCAR, vetting

21:52

myself and all this. And

21:54

finally, a couple months later, they said, we're

21:57

in, we're good to do this. So. where

22:00

you know, that was been three and a half years now

22:02

ago, we started seeing man

22:05

just from that text because I don't know that

22:08

I don't know the anxiety pre Michael Jordan texts,

22:10

but just the text of like, do I send

22:12

this to this person? Do I let them know?

22:14

Get I'll never forget where I was. I was

22:16

on the ninth hole at a golf course. I

22:19

was hitting my second shot in the fairway and

22:21

I was so befuddled by his response of if

22:24

you want to make a real news, let me know. I forgot

22:26

to hit my ball. I drove to the green and my fridge

22:28

are like, what are you doing? Like your boss still back there.

22:30

I'm like, I'm just all messed up right

22:32

now. And it was like, look at this facts.

22:35

And so they're like, what are you going to do? I'm like,

22:37

I don't know. I got to figure out my next move. So,

22:40

um, it's really cool. And

22:42

obviously his presence here at the

22:45

racetrack, he showed up, I think at six

22:47

or seven of the playoff races last year, because

22:49

he had two drivers in it. Um,

22:51

that matters for our team and he

22:53

loves to sport. Okay. All

22:56

right. Let's talk about the

22:59

NASCAR environment. Um,

23:03

when you decide that you're going to punch a guy

23:05

after the race, how do you, how

23:07

do you plan that? How do you position the car? How

23:10

do you talk yourself? Like how far are you willing to

23:12

go? Cause it seems like you guys punch each other quite

23:14

a bit. Yeah, it happens. I mean,

23:16

for me personally, the first thing I look around

23:18

is like, um, where's,

23:20

where's the sport at? You know, if,

23:23

if I go in with this, I need to

23:25

know that there's more of my people than their

23:27

people. So I

23:30

check out my surroundings first before

23:32

I go there. But, uh, yeah,

23:34

I mean, last year there was

23:36

a couple of good shots landed. Uh,

23:39

but NASCAR security was right there and

23:42

it actually prevented the, uh, the, the,

23:45

the, the return punch. So the

23:47

rule of thumb pretty much is that you've, you need to

23:49

be the first to get shot in cause you're going to

23:51

get broken up pretty quick. Okay.

23:54

That's good to know. I think that applies,

23:56

that applies outside of the racetrack as well.

23:59

I was thinking about this. And this may be stupid

24:01

but considering what's at stake when

24:04

you're out there in these cars And you

24:06

know, there's a line I think from the f1 thing

24:08

that I think completely relates because you just race car

24:10

drivers They you're gonna be a bit of a bastard,

24:12

you know, you're gonna be selfish You're gonna be wired

24:14

differently to even get into one

24:16

of these cars and especially with NASCAR

24:19

how bad the pileups like it can get so

24:21

ugly and you don't even know what's going on

24:23

and it just ends up being Luck good luck

24:25

or bad luck. But do

24:27

you think day-to-day things bother a race

24:30

car driver less considering? What's at stake

24:32

during your job? Probably

24:35

I mean, I think that there was a

24:37

moment in my personal life, you know

24:39

I had kids where it just

24:41

it just changed my outlook on The

24:45

appreciation of the sport. I actually fractured my

24:47

spine back in 2013 in a

24:49

wreck had to sit out Six

24:51

or seven races and I you know

24:53

sitting on the sideline watching my car go around and

24:56

someone else driving it Like it just

24:58

really awakens you quite a bit like in

25:00

the NBA you're hurt ain't nobody else. We're

25:02

in your Jersey, right? It's

25:05

just it's the next guy up but

25:07

in NASCAR like you are you

25:10

are the leader of the team You are the

25:12

quarterback the crew chief is the head coach. So

25:15

That's kind of how this works but certainly,

25:17

you know, we understand the risk

25:19

that we have in the sport and You

25:22

know for many many years There

25:24

was kind of like a fatality per year

25:27

and then NASCAR really put an emphasis on

25:29

the safety aspect Right after Dale

25:31

Earnhardt died and I was very fortunate to

25:33

come in the sport right after all that

25:35

So we certainly don't still take

25:38

it for granted. There's been some close calls over the

25:40

years Because you

25:42

know, it's not many other sports where you're kind of risking

25:45

life and limb, right? So We

25:47

understand it, but it's it's what we grew

25:49

up doing loving and I wouldn't change

25:51

much There's an amazing moment

25:54

in the first episode where you're at Daytona towards

25:56

the end of the year and you're You're

25:58

basically telling everybody you're sensing something,

26:01

you're sensing a wreck is coming

26:03

and you drop back. I

26:06

know the editing can be a little

26:08

dramatic at times, but I

26:11

mean how real is that? That you're sensing

26:13

something and now you decide to give up

26:15

all these positions to give yourself a

26:17

better chance to get away from something. That's

26:19

real. I've done it every

26:22

super spew away race and super spew away race is

26:24

like a Daytona and how they were all running in

26:26

a big pack. A lot of

26:28

it because I know wrecks are inevitable. It's

26:30

going to happen and what I sense and

26:32

what my gut tells me and what my

26:34

head tells me is what my eyes is

26:36

seeing. That is people are

26:38

starting to run into the back of

26:40

each other harder. We're not giving

26:42

each other as much room side to side. We're

26:46

going to crash. It's going to happen.

26:48

The intensity is starting to pick up and I know that the

26:50

only way I'm going to win this race is if I get

26:52

out of that. It's going to make it harder

26:54

for me to get back to the front because I'm giving

26:57

up positions for free. But to

27:00

win the race, you must first finish. I

27:03

make sure that I try to do everything I can to

27:05

give myself a chance to be in the picture when

27:08

they throw the checker flag. If I'm on

27:10

a record, that's not going to happen. I

27:13

think that that intuition has really helped me

27:15

over the years get

27:17

to the finish and have the success that we have. I'm

27:21

just going to keep trusting my instincts until it

27:23

fails me. Are

27:25

your insurance premiums higher for

27:28

race car drivers? Yes,

27:30

100%. No doubt about it. It

27:35

wasn't because your daughter was driving the truck when

27:37

you were dropping her off at school. No,

27:39

I mean, I figured that's how everybody learns,

27:42

right? It's either in your driveway.

27:44

I mean, for me and her, it's in

27:46

the school drop off line. So yeah,

27:49

trust me, they didn't love seeing that. That's for

27:51

sure. I was just imagining them

27:53

watching me like, hey, why don't we get a

27:55

get on a call with him and update his

27:57

new price? pair

28:00

of Jordans that you can't get them? No,

28:03

no. Luckily, I get one

28:05

of everything that comes off the line. So

28:08

it wreaks havoc with storage for me

28:10

because, you know, I just

28:12

posted an Instagram quip for kind of all my Jordan

28:15

collection and I think the tally was 530 something.

28:19

But that's all that I've kept in the

28:21

last four years. Before that, I donated 90%

28:24

of everything I got. You know, I only keep one out

28:26

of 10 shoes that come in. And so,

28:28

you know, I would donate them to

28:31

shelters and whatnot. It got

28:33

barred from doing that because they said

28:35

it was causing fights amongst different people

28:37

and so I couldn't donate

28:39

them anymore. So I said, you know, I'm

28:41

just gonna keep everything, keep it in a

28:43

storage warehouse and then my kids will one

28:45

day go through dad's Jordan collection. So maybe

28:48

they think it's cool, maybe not, but either way I keep it

28:50

all now. I'm gonna refrain

28:52

from asking what size you are. So you're

28:54

telling me if there's like the players only,

28:57

you know, if they do an Oregon, Jordan,

29:00

four or whatever, the Michigan fives, you can

29:02

you can get those. You can make that

29:04

happen. Yep. Yep. Guys

29:07

should have been impressed before earlier stuff in

29:09

this interview. But now now,

29:11

all right, let me let me close with this. Chris

29:14

Paul is one of my favorite players ever. I

29:17

defend him passionately. I

29:19

feel like he's the greatest winner who hasn't

29:21

won. For some players, I look

29:24

at them and go your style of play is not conducive

29:26

to winning. And then I look at other guys and I

29:28

go, it just didn't happen for

29:30

you. But it doesn't mean that you

29:32

can't win. You've got all

29:35

of these career victories. You don't have

29:37

the cup championship. It

29:40

feels a little Chris Polish, huh? It

29:43

does. I think it's a

29:45

little bit different because the

29:48

way in which you win a championship in

29:51

the NBA has not changed in decades,

29:53

right? So we've got to go through

29:55

this seven game series. What have

29:57

you, they haven't. I mean, there's

29:59

been minor weeks probably to, you know,

30:02

standings and divisions and all that stuff.

30:04

But in NASCAR, it's changed

30:06

so much. It used to be

30:08

a big old sample size. You take 36

30:11

races and you compile who had the best season.

30:13

That's your change. Now

30:15

it is an elimination style format. Listen,

30:18

we're on the track with our competition, right?

30:20

So people that are eliminated from the playoffs

30:22

can cause a caution that can screw you

30:24

over and keep you from winning. So there

30:28

is a bit of chance

30:30

to this that there's not another sports

30:32

because our sample size is so small

30:34

and other people, what, listen, if, if,

30:37

if the Super Bowl happens and the competition

30:39

makes a mistake, you capitalize in

30:42

our sport, the competition makes a mistake. They can involve

30:44

me in that mistake. And I had nothing to do

30:46

with that. And it just seems like

30:48

I've been cursed for the

30:50

greater part of my career at the end of the

30:53

seasons by things that hadn't been

30:55

in my control and, and the dice

30:57

of just, we've cracked out every time

30:59

when it comes down to it. Um,

31:02

so it's

31:04

not going to define me because I

31:06

think that wins really, really matter and

31:08

crowns your wins, winning the majors. I

31:11

mean, that really shows what you've got, but

31:13

the championship format is different. And I understand

31:16

it. I know how it works, but

31:19

man, there's just been that element of chance

31:21

that I has not gone my way when

31:23

it really needed to. Maybe

31:26

now that I have a slightly better understanding with

31:28

your explanation is like with three Daytona's, it's like,

31:31

man, I've already won the masters.

31:33

Okay. So that

31:36

it's, it's not like Chris Paul doesn't have

31:38

his masters, you know, he doesn't have his

31:40

Daytona and the championship part

31:42

of that is different because it's, it's the

31:44

collection of the standings for you guys

31:46

where it's like, Hey, you know, look, I don't, I don't

31:48

have it yet, but I've got 51 wins. Right.

31:51

And eight of those were majors for us. Yeah.

31:54

And right. Southern 500. Right. It's like

31:56

that may call that the US open. So it's

31:58

just, there's. I'm

32:00

very happy with the accomplishments

32:04

But yeah, surely I I want

32:07

none if you watch the Netflix Series

32:10

through and through that the fourth episode is very

32:12

hard for me because I see how much it

32:14

means to my parents my dad and

32:16

I want it to happen but

32:19

all I can control is my effort and As

32:22

long as I give the 100% effort, I'm

32:25

gonna have to be content with her soul Now

32:28

scar full speed it's out now on

32:30

Netflix and of course check out Denny's

32:32

podcast actions detrimental

32:35

and I think we're all gonna be rooting for the

32:37

11 car this weekend and For

32:40

the rest of the year man. I really appreciate you

32:42

taking the time and doing this and we've got a new

32:44

favorite driver here on the Podcast so thank I appreciate it

32:47

man. Thank you big fan of yours by the way Let

32:51

me know if you need anybody to come on I

32:53

know how tough it is booking guests if you want

32:55

to do some NBA on your thing We live a

32:57

little home and home. All right, I'm a big sports

32:59

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know what's possible. Let me tell you

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what's required. Life Advice email

35:38

addresses [email protected]. We had some people

35:40

chiming in in the pottery world.

35:43

Kyle? Hot seat.

35:45

That was just a throwaway line.

35:49

That was so stupid. What

35:52

could you do? liked

36:00

is this podcast that I checked out and then

36:02

they kind of dumped on my entire philosophy for

36:04

15 minutes. Random, like you don't often get, it's

36:06

kind of like Simone's the other night going to

36:08

his bench against Phoenix and they're like, don't challenge

36:10

this. Actually don't challenge this. You rarely get somebody

36:12

who chimes in after because it just doesn't feel

36:14

good. It's not what you really want to sign

36:16

up for. You're like, oh my God, they're actually

36:18

reading my email. And then it's like, oh wow,

36:20

I didn't make this mistake. Wait, really wish I

36:22

hadn't set this in. Credit to that guy. He

36:25

sent a, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but

36:27

he said, he's like, look, I just did not understand how

36:29

it worked and the way pickleball

36:31

is and different stuff and whatever. And

36:34

so I've just, I'm just glad I'm glad

36:36

cause we can, I don't

36:38

want to read emails where every time it's like,

36:40

no, you're the best or that's awesome or great

36:42

ideas. Like sometimes it's kind of fun to be

36:44

like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Like I

36:46

hooked up clearly. Right. Like is

36:49

I hop guy not going to listen to the podcast

36:52

anymore because of what we said or

36:54

is the real strength and courage of a man.

36:56

It's like, I'm not missing an episode because

36:59

I still like it. Even though he

37:01

went a little hard at me. Okay. I

37:03

think people hate listening all the time. Hate listening

37:05

and hate watching is something that people do. You

37:08

know, I still don't think my anger was directed

37:10

towards I hop email where maybe it should have

37:12

been. It was more about someone

37:15

was going inside. It was the

37:17

inbox. If you're running dollar pancakes,

37:20

that's on you. And I would have paid

37:22

them more for that day. You should pay your employees

37:24

more for that day. That's

37:26

not how people are. Okay.

37:29

Uh, life advice, Jim girl

37:31

and bully bodybuilder. Uh-oh. It

37:34

sounds like a sunny episode.

37:37

Yeah. I'd love to get Kyle a

37:39

room on like just pitching

37:42

ideas. Right.

37:44

It's called a solid group. No,

37:46

but I already, could

37:48

you be, cause everybody thinks they could be, you know,

37:51

Oh, Hey, my, my job's a TV show or this

37:53

is, you know, all these different things. Oh yeah. Okay.

37:55

How's it end? Oh, we should. Yeah. We could be

37:57

a sitcom. Like, yeah. I don't know. How's it end?

38:00

I saw somebody, I think it was a writer, I dabble

38:03

into like TV writer,

38:06

Twitter every now and then just like see kind of what's

38:08

going on. And there

38:11

was somebody that was like, every show is

38:13

this. And they clearly skewed the conclusion to

38:15

come to some bigger conclusion about an observation

38:17

of society. It was like, this show is

38:19

about this or this shows about that. It

38:21

may even have been political. It might have

38:23

been somebody more leaning towards the right that

38:25

was talking about like the dysfunctional family and

38:27

that this is what's being sold to the

38:29

masses or whatever. I read the whole thing.

38:31

I was like, man, that's really well put

38:33

together. It's very specific. It's very convincing. Except

38:36

good luck pitching a TV show where you're like,

38:38

well, in season one, everything works

38:40

out. You

38:43

know, so anyway, all

38:45

right, here we go. I was telling my

38:47

brother an encounter I had at the gym last night. He

38:50

told me to reach out to you because you were the

38:52

perfect guy to give advice on this. He told me to

38:54

give my gym stats and dive into the story. I'm five,

38:56

ten, one, seventy five. I

38:59

don't like to start. It could

39:01

be like lean strong, you know? No,

39:03

I'm like, that's close to my my build. Yeah.

39:06

And if a bodybuilder was fucking with

39:09

you, I would I

39:11

would tell you what, Kyle, what would we do there? What

39:14

if he's got like the Bruce Lee thing going on? What

39:17

if you do? No, what if he

39:19

does? No, I don't think it's a thing. I think that's a chalk

39:21

it up to the game. Yeah.

39:23

All right. So our guy continues. He's

39:25

from the Midwest. All right. I train more of a

39:27

hybrid style and mix between running and lifting. I can

39:30

bench press my body weight 175 for 24 reps. Holy

39:33

shit, sir. You may have been on to something. You

39:35

go and I run a 17

39:37

to 55 K. That's

39:41

Wiry pretty fast so

39:43

he can run. I was getting

39:45

ready to compete in the pump and run at

39:47

the Arnold Classic. Oh, so

39:50

wait. This guy should you

39:52

be giving up the advice?

39:54

I know right. 5

39:57

10 175. I didn't know what to do in

39:59

this. and Saruti's like, yeah, but what tell of the rest

40:01

of the story and there is quite a story to tell.

40:04

Quick backstory in my situation, I met a girl

40:07

that went to my gym at a

40:09

bar this summer, let's call her Cecilia.

40:12

Like that. We talked, danced a little.

40:15

I love when guys dance. I don't trust men that are good

40:17

dancers, but I like it, you do it. She

40:19

gave me her number and that was that. We texted

40:21

briefly, but I never saw her at the gym again,

40:23

so it fizzled out. Fast forward to the last couple

40:26

of weeks, Cecilia starts coming back to the gym, so

40:28

we chat, we run into each other, she starts texting

40:30

me and tells me she's single, so now I am

40:32

interested. Well, her ex-boyfriend, let's call him

40:34

Ivan, also works out at the gym and also happens

40:36

to be the biggest guy at the gym, not sure

40:38

his gym sets. Seems more like a leg press guy

40:41

than a squat guy. Last night I'm talking to Cecilia

40:43

right before I leave the gym and I walk past

40:45

Ivan when I head to the door, he says to

40:47

me as I'm walking by, quote, if you're going to

40:49

talk to her so much, why don't you ask her

40:52

out? I respond without looking

40:54

at him, maybe I will. He

40:57

says that would be a fucking mistake.

41:00

At this point I just keep walking because I don't want any confrontation. I

41:02

drive home and I have a notification from Instagram

41:05

that says Ivan wants to send you a message.

41:07

I accept the message and it says, next time

41:09

I see you at the gym, we are going

41:11

to have a talk. I respond, I don't want

41:14

no trouble. My first thought was I am never

41:16

going back to the gym. I'm not going back

41:18

to the gym. Even

41:22

though I've been going there for five plus years and

41:24

have a good relationship with the owner, but also do

41:26

not want to get my face beat in. This morning

41:28

I changed my mindset that I'm not going to let

41:30

someone bully me like this. I think

41:32

that his goal is just to intimidate since he is

41:34

a big guy. Need some advice, do I stay at

41:37

gym? What should I say if Ivan approaches me next

41:39

time I see him? Should I stop

41:41

talking to Cecilia? I level

41:43

your heads out with this one and I love those

41:45

numbers. Those are some impressive ass numbers which tells me

41:47

like, but you're also not so delusional with your

41:49

own numbers that you think you're going to be able to

41:51

take this Ivan guy because he sounds like he's kind of

41:53

big. And I think it's a little weird that you'd said,

41:56

you just were like, maybe I will without

41:58

even looking at him, you didn't, the Spidey sand. So

42:00

just the girth shadow wasn't,

42:02

you know, setting off the tinglies

42:04

there a little bit. So so

42:07

you guys, so I can't I'm trying to size you up,

42:09

right? I'm trying to figure out like where your head is

42:11

at with certain things. Are you of the mindset? It's like,

42:14

well, I'm not going to let anybody talk to me like

42:16

that because I work out and I'm strong and you know,

42:18

you get a little bit older, you might be more inclined

42:20

to want to stick up for yourself. So despite,

42:23

you know, everybody trying to size each other,

42:25

size each other up during our younger years.

42:27

So do

42:29

not quit the gym. Don't let them do that to you. The

42:32

reality is the actual physical confrontation, the percentages

42:34

are really, really low. Now if this guy's

42:36

juiced up on everything that he said the

42:38

point was taken female female, or I should

42:40

say women hormones, where

42:43

he's trying to counter everything else that he's

42:45

doing. It sounded worse than that.

42:47

I really love that one. Taking

42:51

woman pills. We don't want to give you the complete

42:53

sign off. You're like, fuck this guy. He's not going

42:55

to do anything because if there's a guy that's going

42:57

to do something, it's probably a guy like this. Yeah.

43:00

And you also kind of can't really tell Cecilia to

43:02

be like, Hey, I would ask you out, but I'm

43:05

horrified of Ivan because then she could be like, you're

43:07

an asshole anyway. But then if she tells on him,

43:09

then maybe you're in all sorts of other trouble. So

43:11

I don't, I

43:14

think, look, if this guy's enormous and he's tough and

43:16

he might just be enormous and not tough, but I

43:18

don't know that you're going to, yeah, you're not really

43:20

going to want to be like, let's find out how

43:22

fucking tough this guy really is when he's got you

43:24

by a hundred pounds. Hold on. Can

43:26

you just, but can you just say to Cecilia,

43:28

like jokingly, like, Hey, what's up with

43:30

your ex? Like, I got to kick

43:33

my ass. Like, you know, cause that way you're not saying, Hey, I'm

43:35

scared or like, I'm not, I don't want to date you. Could you

43:37

just kind of float it as a joke? And if she's like, Oh

43:39

yeah, he's a crazy person. Like I'd stay away from him. Then you

43:41

kind of know where you're at. That's

43:44

definitely a route. I think I would do, I would fake

43:46

it till I make it sort of thing. Like I think

43:48

you say nothing than anyone and just,

43:50

and just be a nervous wreck and soon you'll just

43:52

learn to live in that chaos a little bit. I

43:54

think, I think that's okay. I

43:56

think you shouldn't have to feel this way. You shouldn't have

43:58

to feel this way as an older man. man. Okay. Like,

44:01

you know, I had a guy that I

44:03

was definitely afraid of when I

44:05

was younger. And then there was a guy

44:08

years later that wanted nothing

44:10

to do with me because it's something he did in

44:12

the, the circumstances, the

44:14

living transactions that he put himself through to avoid

44:16

me for like a year were fucking common. I

44:18

think back like God, it's like the most effort

44:21

anybody's ever put into something. But then I also

44:23

remember like, you know, when I was, I think

44:26

I was like 16 and somebody

44:28

had it out for me just because he

44:30

was a fucking weirdo of a guy, but

44:32

he just decided he's picked me, right? It

44:34

is an awful, awful feeling. And God, I

44:36

can't even remember like, I've

44:39

never felt that since then

44:42

years later. So you see even have that

44:44

in the back of your head because somebody

44:46

wants to kick your ass. But most, it's

44:49

got to be way over 99% of the

44:51

time. These transactions end up not

44:53

even remotely being physical. And if you can

44:55

try to convince him that you're not going

44:57

to be bullied while also being respectful, I

45:00

don't know. I don't know what the combination

45:02

of moves here is. But you

45:04

can't quit the gym. If he says, Hey, we're gonna have a talk.

45:06

Okay, what do you want to talk about? You know,

45:08

and I, I would tell you, if he's

45:10

that much bigger than you, and you get a chance

45:12

to get any scattering report on him,

45:15

it doesn't he's, he's in the wrong. I mean, look,

45:17

if this is the way it worked, there's nobody was

45:19

allowed to date anybody's ex, you weren't friends with the

45:21

guy. You know, it's not like,

45:23

Hey, you made, right, right. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

45:26

Like the whole like, Oh, I can't believe

45:28

you're dating my sister. Well, eventually, somebody had

45:30

to start dating somebody's sister. Okay. It's

45:33

just, it's, it's years

45:36

ago, someone actually signed off on it.

45:38

Okay, man. So I

45:41

don't know that you want to be like high school

45:43

college to Rudy here. We're like, Yeah,

45:46

I can see you. What's up? So

45:48

fucking dancing this summer. What are

45:50

you gonna do about it, son? You know, because

45:52

now you're just gonna, you

45:55

know, you might get punched. Not right of it. I

45:57

have never been punched, though. So that's probably why you

45:59

never Punch that's incredible not in the face. No.

46:01

Yeah, that's incredible Wait, would somebody just decide to go

46:04

body blows on you after an altercation? I mean we've

46:06

been like I've been in scraps that weren't like that

46:08

serious, but I've never been like punched in the face

46:11

Scraps that weren't that serious. What did you like?

46:13

No, nothing in the face Yeah,

46:15

like you know like I'm trying to think of like, you know,

46:17

it would be There was one

46:19

time it was after like a party like we made this

46:21

guy got to like a little bit of shoving match and

46:24

like I don't even remember if it went to the floor

46:26

But like no one was throwing punches and then and then

46:28

everybody kind of gets you off each other and that and

46:30

it ends Kind of few of those but nothing where somebody

46:32

just cold cock me in the face. Yeah But

46:37

yeah, I would recommend not I wouldn't have pegged you as one

46:39

of those guys usually I could spot those guys Yeah,

46:42

I just get a little mouthy and and and I

46:44

would not recommend doing that Yeah, I did I did

46:46

that to a guy at the University of Delaware One

46:48

of my buddies is was a cheerleader there and those

46:50

guys are interesting guys in that They

46:54

Obviously, it's a little bit different thing. Also,

46:56

like some of those guys are gigantic like they're yeah

46:58

But full respect for the male cheerleader. They're big and

47:00

there was this one guy Yeah, he's wearing Ohio State

47:02

shirt And I was really not into Ohio State at

47:04

that moment and I just kind of I don't even

47:06

know what I directly said to Him, but it wasn't

47:08

great and the guy could have kicked my ass and

47:10

didn't and yeah, don't do that

47:12

Don't be that guy But can you I

47:15

think it's worth talking to the guy though? Just can you just

47:17

you just have to do it a public place like do it

47:19

in the locker do it where other people are Around you can't

47:21

just like go outside because then he might market last in the

47:24

alley amount of parking like conversation But yeah, maybe it's just worth

47:26

being like alright, man Like I like

47:28

I don't know what's going on like I'm talking to this

47:30

girl as your ex like just play dumb and and I

47:32

don't Know like what's he gonna do be mad at you

47:34

for person? Like he doesn't I think I know Reaching

47:37

with him with him But

47:40

like maybe when you when you when he hears himself like

47:42

be this upset about it and like you're just like I

47:44

don't know Man, I don't even know you. I'm just talking

47:46

to this girl. Like maybe he realized how dumb he sounds

47:48

and it just kind of deescalate Situation. Yeah,

47:50

probably not but I like it. I think yeah

47:52

Well, the one thing you can't do though is

47:54

be is be like shrink, you know and

47:56

be like, oh shit I didn't know and stuff like that. Like

47:59

it has to be apparent that you won't be bullied, but

48:01

also like there's a way to do that without being

48:03

a fucking asshole. Sorry for cursing. 13 minutes

48:05

in. I think our last curse came 13

48:08

minutes in too. I just think

48:10

that the one thing you can't show signs of like

48:12

that this guy can get over on you by just

48:14

saying a bunch of crazy shit and like, and like

48:16

standing up straight, you know, like you can't, you have

48:18

to be like, I'm not one of those guys that

48:20

I'm not going to just do whatever you say because

48:22

of that. And you shouldn't and you haven't done anything

48:24

wrong. So don't say that you've done anything wrong. Like

48:26

the words I'm sorry shouldn't come out of your mouth

48:28

or like, sorry, I didn't know. I think there's like

48:31

a lot of times bullies just need to know that like

48:33

you're not, you're not going to be fucked with. There's plenty

48:35

of dudes walking this earth that will, and it's just, so

48:37

move on to somebody else. I

48:40

think that's where it is. I like that line. I

48:42

like any, you know, I don't think we're telling him

48:44

to do something like granted. The guy's like, all right,

48:46

we'll talk because meet me at the Cumberland farms parking

48:48

lot. Then keep

48:52

it in the lobby or if you could pull it off to

48:54

the side of the squat rack, be like, Hey, you said you

48:56

want it. I mean, you would absolutely dome him mentally

48:58

if when you saw him first at the gym and you

49:00

just went up like totally in control. It's like, all right,

49:03

what do you want to talk about? You

49:05

know, and be like, now the problem

49:07

is if he's a real dumb person,

49:09

okay, if he's, and I hate to

49:11

stereotype, and if he's

49:13

like just absolutely broken, there's

49:16

no, you need to attempt at

49:18

being reasonable and then size up the situation from

49:20

there. And then you can start thinking about that

49:22

part of her because granted, we both know what's

49:24

going to happen. If she's hot enough, you're

49:27

still going to risk it. I

49:31

think we got it. We got it covered there. Yep. Good

49:33

luck. Good luck.

49:35

Let us know how it

49:37

goes. And fall else fails run. Actually

49:39

do want to know how this goes. So please follow

49:41

up. I really do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay,

49:46

34

49:49

married, got asked out by a 23 year old.

49:51

Whoa, who still has it this guy. Six

49:54

one 165 did four sets of 10 at 145 on squats today. 145

50:00

or 135. Basketball

50:03

comp is Tyrone Hill where

50:05

he just suffer from unhousedness.

50:08

What? Oh,

50:11

that's he's trying to say he's the homeless man's version.

50:13

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's

50:15

right. Unhoused. I think I've

50:17

even used that. That's the new term. Thank you, Kyle. I

50:20

should have figured that out a little bit quicker, but I got caught on the extra

50:22

five pounds on each side. Last

50:25

week, my friend invited me to listen to

50:27

his friend talk about how we can live

50:29

foreverish. Oh, that sounds

50:31

like it sounds

50:33

like an, do you realize that sentence? He

50:37

sent me an invite to the event, which

50:40

looked official. I showed up to the

50:42

lobby of a nice building. I met a guy who thinks

50:44

we can live foreverish and four people in

50:46

addition to my friend who invited me. Uh,

50:50

I remember I was in New York city once meat

50:52

packing district and I met a girl that was like,

50:54

Oh my God, food is the worst for you. She's

50:56

like, I don't eat food as

50:59

she chain smoked and drank on

51:02

our tab. She said and asked

51:05

if any of us wanted to do coop after

51:08

giving us featured out how food kills you

51:11

in this. If you can just breathe in

51:13

enough sunlight and then balance that with a

51:15

diet. Yeah. She's

51:17

like, you can't, she's like, you guys eat food.

51:20

Food is terrible. Anyone want any blow?

51:24

Um, that was

51:27

fascinated by her. Fascinating.

51:30

Yeah. All right. Uh, I was

51:32

expecting to walk through one of the many doors and lobby

51:34

to listen to this guy speak possibly in a stage of

51:36

sorts. The live foreverish guy then leads us out to the

51:38

building, but I'm still expecting to at least lead something like

51:40

a meeting. This is amazing. Is this fake?

51:43

We arrive at a spot. We ask, we're asked for

51:45

IDs and I realized we're in a restaurant. We all

51:47

sit down and order food. I'm thinking, all right, this

51:49

is in a conference or a meeting, but I'm at

51:51

least expecting this guy to hold court. Once everybody gets

51:53

the food, he just gives an elevator pitch about how

51:55

he believes aging is programmed. It can be shut off

51:57

so we can live forever. He asked me what I

51:59

would do. If he could offer me

52:01

a life extension and does not get

52:03

the reference when I ask if he's talking about a

52:05

certain Tom Cruise movie This guy's

52:08

good. He's smart Back

52:10

to the unhoused it all makes sense now Anyway

52:13

after this guy pitches me his life extension I talked

52:16

to the girl that I sat next to by happenstance

52:18

She came to the life extension event because she's newer

52:20

in town and wants to be in the mix At

52:23

some point she mentions to me that she's a musician

52:25

as the night was winding down I asked her if

52:27

she had an Instagram for music. She asked for my

52:30

phone perhaps worried that I'm blocked All

52:32

of her associated accounts and searches for herself

52:36

No reference to Kyle. Yeah,

52:38

he's really into the lore. Yeah.

52:41

Yeah, he is like I understood what that one was But

52:43

then I'm like art. This is some massive whatever. We'll just

52:45

keep reading it I feel like this is a plot to

52:47

something though when I get home I have

52:50

it was nice to meet you message from her fear

52:52

sets in I immediately tell my wife what happened and

52:54

then I'm worried The girl got the wrong idea. We

52:56

exchanged two messages and laugh reactions about the life extension.

52:58

Then I end the conversation I'm expecting it to end

53:00

there But tonight she calls message of the messages me

53:02

and asked if I want to go get a drink

53:05

this week at a cool Borrow we've discussed. I immediately

53:07

tell my wife she is. Oh, no, she's

53:09

a little jealous, but also thinks it's funny I wait

53:11

a little and then say hi, I don't think

53:13

it would be appropriate since I'm married But I

53:15

hope you're settling into town nicely. I'm worried. She

53:17

may think I was being presumptuous, but she responds.

53:19

Oops. Thank you All right, all checks out. I

53:21

consider reaching or reacting with the heart emoji Which

53:24

is a like on IG? Thanks, man. Appreciate that For

53:28

saying no no oops necessary, but then decide

53:30

not to react to anything at all. I

53:32

leave it there first question Was I right

53:35

to leave it there? Well, yeah, if you if

53:38

you didn't want to get the drink, right? Correct Yeah, what else

53:40

is there to say unless you're not planning on cheating on your

53:42

life? I think that was like the attention school like all right.

53:44

I got this girl. She likes me like, you know You want

53:46

to keep the string along but Yeah,

53:49

yeah, totally white like what was your goal? Yeah goal your

53:51

own Build up

53:53

your attention cup is filled up. You're good for a while.

53:55

This is great Second question was

53:57

I completely insane asking an aspiring musician? for

54:00

her IG. I was really just trying to be nice

54:02

to someone who makes music but maybe this is a

54:04

no-go unless I've made it abundantly clear that I'm married.

54:06

For context, I don't wear a wedding band and I

54:08

probably looked much younger than how a 23-year-old imagines a

54:10

34-year-old looking. Final

54:12

question, my friend invited me to the life extension thing.

54:14

Also got her number. Okay.

54:18

I feel kind of bad for getting in his way, should I?

54:20

I did everything

54:22

I could to help him but I don't think

54:24

me asking for this girl's IG stopped anything from

54:26

happening there. Thanks, guys. Here's what I think you

54:28

need to focus on. You went to a life

54:30

extension dinner. To get your Satan tested or something?

54:32

What the fuck? And

54:34

so somebody invited you to

54:36

that and you're apologizing

54:39

to people? So

54:41

I think it's all on the table. Like she

54:43

must think, I'm surprised she was even

54:45

thrown up by the married thing. She's like, yeah, but what

54:48

if she doesn't have life extension policy? What do you

54:50

think about our third act? What do you think about

54:52

that? 150 years from

54:54

now. She'll have been dead

54:56

for a long time and will

54:58

have signed up for this service. So I'm

55:01

just planting a seed here for

55:04

decades later from now. You

55:06

told your wife, she knows everything that happened

55:08

and nothing even happened. A person asked you out because

55:10

they thought you weren't married and then I just thought

55:12

there was going to be another layer here where she

55:14

didn't care and then my whole point was going to

55:17

be, of course there was another layer. She was at

55:19

a life extension dinner. So

55:21

I think a lot of people

55:24

that would go to that are a little

55:26

bit more open-minded about things, not trying to judge

55:28

or stereotype or whatever, but I have a couple

55:30

of friends that have dipped their toes into a,

55:32

hey, have you ever thought about man's role in

55:34

today's society? And I'm like, you're talking pick and

55:36

roll, man defense, or what are you

55:39

talking about? And then the next

55:41

thing I know, I'm like, why are you guys

55:43

wearing fucking, what outfit is that? You

55:45

guys larping, what the fuck's going

55:47

on? Thunderbird's offshoot. Yeah, this

55:50

is our Thunderbird's winner fest. Although

55:53

it'd be winner now. Anyway, so good

55:55

recall, Kyle, bringing it all the way back. You

55:58

didn't do anything wrong. Like there's

56:00

the level of guilt on this should be

56:03

Kelvin. There's nothing here.

56:05

Yeah. Also, it seems like your wife

56:08

is fine. Like if she's cool with you not wearing a wedding

56:10

band, she's probably less jealous than the average bear. You know what

56:12

I mean? So it's like, if

56:14

she's cool with that, she's probably cool with, you

56:17

know, this, hey, look, she could probably laugh this off.

56:19

Like you said, she might be a little jealous, which

56:21

is, is maybe human nature, but it sounds

56:23

like everything's actually cool. Like you don't have any, any,

56:25

any problems on the back end. And

56:28

you're just thinking of whether or not you should give

56:31

her a heart emoji to maybe see if

56:33

she'll text you back. Like that might be

56:35

the, the, what is that subliminal

56:37

thing here? I think it's just, just move on.

56:41

All good. I don't really have much to

56:43

add other than say I don't want to

56:45

your point, Ryan, is this does sound

56:47

kind of like a, this sounds like a Seth Rogen

56:49

movie in like 2010. And

56:51

like Zoey D Chanel is the girl. Like

56:54

that's, there's something weird. I don't, I could just. There's

56:57

something weird about the part of this thing. Like now she's

56:59

like the quirky girl. Like she's a musician. She knows she,

57:01

and you meet her at this crazy event that you, that

57:03

you shouldn't even have been at. And

57:05

then you're married. Like it just, it just, it does kind of feel movie script to

57:07

me. So I don't know. I

57:10

thought you wanted to live forever. I

57:15

wish everybody could see that face. Yeah. Without

57:18

the, without the video accompaniment, that's

57:21

not going to work out. Let's do it. Breakout

57:23

video. All right. She's

57:26

just so quirky. What it

57:28

is about her. She's so quirky. Let's

57:30

do it. All right. That's life advice.

57:33

Thanks to Cliff. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks

57:35

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57:38

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57:40

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