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tales from the couch because we're gonna do so much

2:15

draft stuff today. We got two

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LA games that I was focused on, Clippers at

2:20

Milwaukee. So we'll go with that game first. News

2:22

and notes on that one, no Giannis. He's only

2:24

missed three games this season, but no Chris Middleton.

2:26

This one's a little bit more alarming. It was

2:28

an update before the game. Basically it was no

2:30

update. He's had this ankle injury. He's

2:33

missed 11 straight games. He's actually only missed 19

2:35

games in the season, but

2:39

the update was that we don't really know when

2:41

he's coming back. Giannis, on the other side of

2:43

things, you do realize, he's

2:45

averaging 31 a game at 62% from the floor. So

2:50

he's over 30 and over 60 from the floor. No

2:52

player has ever done that for a full season and

2:54

no player has ever done it as late into a

2:56

season as Giannis is doing it. So if you wanted

2:58

a night off, no problem. By

3:00

the way, his true shooting percentage for his

3:02

career is 610, it's 657 this season. Incredible

3:06

stuff. All right, so we expected a big game night

3:08

and we got it. Get 15 points in

3:11

the first quarter. There was a lot of

3:13

stuff during the game that I was worried about with Milwaukee. I

3:15

was worried about some of the defensive stuff. We'll get you those

3:17

numbers that are a lot better now if you go over the

3:19

last, I don't know, 15 games or so. But

3:21

I was worried about some of the individual defense because

3:23

of what the Clippers provide. And when I was looking

3:25

at it, I'm like, okay, so Pat Bev's on Paul

3:27

George, star, and he's gonna harass the

3:29

shit out of him. But eventually the George

3:31

size thing's gonna be too much for him, although

3:33

there was a pretty funny moment. Depends

3:36

on how you feel about Pat Bev. Others might find

3:38

it annoying. But Pat Bev got knocked down. George was

3:40

standing near him and Pat Bev was like, help me

3:42

up, help me up to Paul George.

3:45

Meanwhile, his Bucks teammate was closer to him, but

3:47

Bev was just sitting there essentially, I guess, trolling

3:50

in a way, although that word is overused, George

3:53

for not reaching down and helping him get

3:55

back up. And obviously Pat knew what he

3:57

was doing. And then he had Jay Crowder

3:59

on Kawhi. I was like, okay, this is a

4:01

problem because the times early on when it looked like

4:03

why wanted to get past a crowd or he Could

4:05

do it at any point and that may have spoke

4:08

to why the minutes Were

4:10

the minutes the way they were to close this game.

4:12

So a couple quick hitters I'm worried about

4:15

bones Highlands entry passes Another

4:19

one Amir coffee Does

4:21

he play too fast great energy and that's

4:23

why he's out there in the 42% from

4:25

three but plays really fast Sometimes it feels

4:27

too fast. LA is up 55 48 at the half I

4:31

got worried about Milwaukee again because during the third quarter

4:33

stretch Dean was playing with four guys that can't create

4:35

So I'm kind of like looking at the rotations going

4:38

right? What are they trying to do here? It's Crowder

4:40

again It's Beverly. Although Beverly was good

4:42

and then Brooke Lopez You have

4:44

to keep around to battle

4:46

the Clippers on the bigger side of things and

4:48

then Beasley who just you know Had a bad

4:50

game shooting. So when I was looking at

4:52

those four with a I'm like Where's the shock creation gonna

4:55

come out of this where Dame's gonna get stuck on some

4:57

of the possessions? But it didn't really matter because Dame was

4:59

still doing enough. He had 29 points

5:01

to three quarters Then

5:03

when I was looking at what they were doing defensively

5:05

with Dame they actually had quiet on him, I think

5:07

some possessions there to close the third and then definitely

5:09

a lot more into the fourth and Looking

5:12

at some of the J Crowder stuff that I didn't like from last

5:14

night I think there's a reason he only played 18 minutes He

5:17

also if you go across his stat line and look

5:19

at like the analytics for him It's a

5:21

pretty strong argument is the worst season he's

5:23

ever had Going back to when

5:26

he even got started with Dallas. So I'm

5:28

sitting here constantly worried about you know, LA's up

5:31

I'm worried about Milwaukee and some of this rotational stuff

5:33

and then it's 81 73 going into the fourth

5:35

quarter We

5:37

mentioned the Dame totals so he's getting

5:39

it done And then he basically controlled

5:41

the game Even if he wasn't

5:43

making shots because the Clippers sold out so much

5:46

defensively against him and we'll run through some of

5:48

that stuff When you set that

5:50

high screen for Dame He gets into a shot

5:52

off of it so quickly that it's really hard

5:54

for you to even react even most players Coming

5:56

up that screen and wanted to keep

5:58

to with the ball handler in this case Lillard you

6:00

should still be able to get a decent enough contest

6:02

but Lillard gets up into it so quickly He

6:05

can get the shot up before you're ready He also

6:07

is probably the best in the league maybe here hardened

6:09

at that screen contact Trey Young's good at it, too

6:11

I don't always love those calls and I think the

6:13

rest also don't love it because they call it on

6:15

the ground so often But it's

6:18

a part of the defensive strategy against him. It's

6:20

like if I get too into him Trailing

6:22

him on the screen or too into him of

6:24

working around the screen He's just gonna

6:26

get his arms up and then end up getting a

6:28

foul on me anyway And I think the best part

6:31

about Dame which makes him so dangerous

6:33

offensively is that with all that shooting stuff

6:35

even with the bad Shooting nights which you

6:37

can certainly have And look

6:39

pretty much anybody can with that kind of volume But

6:42

he still is getting to the rim and he's just a

6:44

terrific small finisher And then he ends up with 14 or

6:46

13 free throws last night So

6:49

when it's that high screen action, it's

6:51

extending your defense out that far And

6:53

I don't feel like it was like really really deep or

6:55

he's crossing half-court because sometimes you'll see that Portland You just

6:57

do that all the time and you're seeing it maybe a

6:59

little bit more than the walking now So

7:02

it wasn't necessarily that it was that they

7:04

decided hey We're gonna live with whatever

7:06

else is gonna happen offensively, but we

7:08

have to force the ball out of

7:11

Hardin's hands Hardin

7:13

got it going big time in the first half of the

7:15

fourth But it was really only

7:17

him the first non-harden points in

7:19

the fourth quarter for the Clippers

7:22

Came on a Paul George three that made it

7:24

96 90 still Clippers leading at

7:26

533 to go in the game So

7:29

I was worried a little bit like Hardin

7:31

hit a couple threes couple and ones I mean it

7:33

was really really strong there But

7:36

it's something I'll bring up at the end because

7:38

the Clippers just felt like they they got stuck

7:40

and a lot of that Was Milwaukee's defense as

7:42

well. So it kind of goes both ways on

7:44

that. So There's

7:48

a great block by Brooke Lopez

7:50

on Kawhi to the defensive stuff They're hard

7:52

and a bad turnover against Pat Bev Dame

7:54

layups So, you know, it's both things the

7:56

walkies defense is better now. I'll give you

7:58

that number And

8:01

it was also the Clippers. I don't

8:03

know if it was they kept waiting for Harden to To

8:05

carry over what he had done in the first six minutes of that

8:07

fourth quarter I think he came back in at like 11 because

8:10

they didn't want to watch any more bones Highland So

8:13

Milwaukee closes this not the final score but

8:15

closes out the game essentially with this 15-0

8:17

run from that second half of the fourth

8:20

quarter on Again, not

8:22

saying that was 15-0 to close the

8:24

game LA Decided on

8:26

every Dame screen two were staying

8:28

with him selling out We

8:31

want him to just have to get the ball

8:33

out of his hands Pat Bev had a three AJ

8:35

Green had two threes They

8:38

had a double on game where he swung

8:40

it to Brooke Lopez But then on the

8:42

backside you have players defensively for the Clippers

8:45

scrambling a bit Portis sees

8:47

the gap steps up from the opposite

8:49

block kind of gets in the paint

8:51

Great awareness by Brooke because the math

8:53

is in your favor because Dame is

8:55

so far away on this double. It's

8:58

like Dragging, you know,

9:00

it's asking a lot for your team to be

9:02

able to cover all of it And this is

9:05

where Portis went crazy It

9:07

was a great play there for him then they took

9:09

Kawhi off a Dame and put Paul George on him

9:11

And then I started to wonder Are

9:14

they thinking? Well, look if they're pulling

9:16

if we're gonna stay with two on Dame and

9:18

they're pulling us this far away and opening up

9:20

everything else Maybe it's better to just at

9:22

least have Kawhi Still in the

9:24

defensive play after the pass is made because

9:26

the way we're doing it now Kawhi

9:29

is like just kind of out of it after

9:31

the pass is made and that's basically what

9:33

the Clippers decided It will live with an

9:36

AJ Green three or two and they

9:39

got both of them We'll live with Bobby

9:41

Pores. He goes off. We'll live a pat

9:43

Bev hitting a couple shots It all worked

9:45

out and that is the value of

9:47

even just one Special offensive player because

9:49

when the other team is determined to try to slow

9:51

him down to the fourth quarter because you've been cooking

9:53

them all night That didn't

9:55

work either. It's just kind of one of those nights

9:58

Portis was five of seven in the fourth quarter He

10:00

ended up with 28 and 16 30

10:02

minutes. He's been a lot steadier now the last

10:04

month Double figures and 14 of

10:06

his last 15 games after some probably I

10:09

would say inconsistent play there for him The

10:11

walkies the two seed today They're one game

10:13

up on Cleveland and Milwaukee's won five Excuse

10:15

me six straight eight of the last ten

10:18

and here's the most important thing this defense

10:20

that we've been talking about all season Long

10:22

about being a problem last 15 games. They

10:24

are the number two defense in the NBA

10:29

Let's talk Lakers. Oh, wait, wait, wait, let's

10:31

not talk Lakers yet Clippers the four seed

10:33

two and a half games behind the three

10:35

seed But still only three games behind the

10:37

one seed with it all shuffling with Minnesota.

10:39

Okay, see the last day Now

10:42

the Clippers were 34 and 15 on

10:45

February 5th. So that was that 25

10:48

and 6 run they're five and six since

10:52

Looking at the numbers here. The defense has

10:54

been slipping The

10:58

rebounding has gotten worse During

11:00

25 the 25 and 6 stretch they

11:02

were the number one offense in the number 16

11:04

defense But the rebounding

11:06

was better. So the defense has not

11:08

been like out of this world at

11:10

any point. I do wonder if

11:14

There's this stale point that they hit

11:17

after that great run You could also argue during

11:19

this five and six stretch after that incredible two-month

11:21

stretch where they look like the best team in

11:23

the NBA They played New

11:25

Orleans Minnesota twice Golden State. Okay, see

11:27

Sacramento Lakers in Milwaukee So,

11:30

you know, you could just look at the

11:32

schedule and say well, that's a pretty ridiculous

11:34

streak of teams in 11 games They

11:37

also, you know, it could

11:40

just be hey, we know what our best is and

11:42

we're not going to sustain that all the way until

11:44

April anyway So that

11:47

you know, that could be it. I don't know if

11:50

it's alarming enough yet after how great it was I

11:52

even looked at some hardened stuff where I was like, okay, did

11:55

they did he hold the ball too long? I know it's

11:57

something you're gonna go just trying to find a way to

11:59

blame Harden But some of the isolation,

12:01

long possession, what I mean by that is

12:03

like how many seconds the player is actually

12:05

holding it. Well, I looked at all the

12:07

touch stuff in seconds, the ball is in

12:09

hardens hand month by month. There's

12:12

not really anything in there. I mean, the touches went up because

12:14

the touches went up as you get a little bit more comfortable

12:16

and playing the full scope of

12:18

a game as one of the main five

12:20

guys. But I don't think there

12:22

was anything necessarily that jumped right out at me

12:25

that I feel like is a long term trend

12:27

or trending in the wrong direction. I just felt

12:29

a little bit late. They just stopped moving. They

12:31

just stopped moving a little bit and this Milwaukee

12:33

defense has been really good now for a month.

12:35

Okay, now we can talk

12:37

about OKC at the Lakers. Shout

12:39

out to the Bulls in the comeback, by the way. Shout

12:42

out and shout out to Matt Hunt's confidence. Memphis

12:45

Grizzlies. Get your Google machine ready

12:47

when you're watching those games. So Oklahoma

12:49

City beat Phoenix on Sunday night. This was

12:51

one of the worst turnover games I've seen

12:53

from an NBA team in a long time.

12:56

Phoenix had 22 turnovers

13:00

to only six for Oklahoma City. Oklahoma

13:03

City points off turnovers 31 to nine. But

13:06

I'm telling you, it was the unforced ones

13:08

where a guy sets up. It's not at

13:11

the opposite elbow, but it's kind of elbow

13:13

extended inside of the break, you know, positioned

13:15

different all the time. Oh, wow. Double

13:18

on Durant. Okay. Well, I got to swing it to

13:20

the other side or whoever has the ball, I got to swing it to the other side.

13:22

There was no Booker in this game. You're just

13:25

throwing it across the court and the Thunder just

13:27

picking them off left and right. And

13:29

Freddie Brown type stuff. You're like,

13:32

what are you guys doing right now?

13:35

And I actually

13:37

see it was so bad on Sunday. I'm like,

13:39

I can't believe this happened now. Unbelievable.

13:44

Phoenix down 24 in that game comes

13:46

back, gets up six and

13:48

then loses it. Same night. Erica

13:50

Chad 31 rebounds. The kind of thing where you're like, wait,

13:52

is that right? Yeah, that's right. What did we talk about

13:54

with the Thunder? 29th

13:56

and rebounding rate, but it didn't matter

13:58

because Phoenix just kept giving them the basketball. over and

14:00

over and over again. Another thing that

14:02

we saw is that Phoenix completely sagged off a

14:04

giddy because if you look at the shooting around

14:07

giddy it's one of your only defensive options and

14:09

you're trying to figure out another way for a

14:11

body to cheat towards Shay Gilderas Alexander or if

14:13

Jaylen Williams has it going. So

14:16

that game was its own lesson in there and

14:19

when you look at Oklahoma City three-point shooting

14:21

SGA is at 38 percent, Jaylen Williams is

14:24

at 44 percent, he was 36

14:26

percent last season, Chet's at 40 percent, Dort's

14:28

at 40 percent, only in one of his

14:31

previous seasons I think four

14:33

seasons he'd been over 34 percent, Isaiah Joseph

14:35

42 percent, Kacen Wallace is at 41

14:38

percent, even Wiggins is at 51 percent. So

14:40

giddy's at 33 percent so I'm going to

14:42

look for this even more and it was something that I

14:44

noticed in the Lakers game. The other

14:46

things I was looking for in this Lakers matchup was

14:49

would Dort get so into LeBron that

14:51

LeBron would just

14:54

be deferring a little bit more and

14:57

then of course I wanted to look at A.D.

14:59

and Chet and this continued like I

15:01

think it's a fatal flaw for the Thunder. As

15:03

much as I love so much about how well

15:05

they're coached, how smart they are blowing that lead

15:07

to Phoenix and then still closing it out, having

15:09

all these guys that are kind of multiple interchangeable,

15:13

I worry about them around

15:15

the paint you know I just worry about some of

15:17

the stuff at the rim there and the rebounding numbers

15:21

you know some of these nights you look at it and you just go this is

15:24

this is tough to compete. So for all the other things that

15:26

we're looking at it didn't really matter because in the second quarter

15:28

I had one of those moments where watching a game and you're

15:30

like the Lakers are

15:32

on fire right now and I'm

15:34

not talking about shooting, they're energy and this is

15:36

why coaches are always going to drive themselves slowly

15:38

insane. Coaches know that if everybody's played with

15:41

a little bit more effort everything would be better but

15:43

it's not like it would have happened although

15:46

I'd say there's some Coach K Duke teams that

15:48

back in the day when that thing was really

15:50

rolling where I'd watch their defensive intensity and how

15:52

smart they were I was like man anybody gonna

15:54

score against these guys tonight? I'm serious like that's

15:56

how impressed I was with certain Duke teams defensively

15:58

I'm like these guys just just get after

16:00

it the entire time. An NBA team, 82

16:03

of these tilts,

16:06

you just, you're not going to, so when

16:08

you do see it, you'll almost have a moment.

16:11

And I had it last night. There

16:13

was some defensive possessions where Reeves is on

16:15

the baseline against SGA and SGA is

16:17

trying to put him in the blender and Reeves stays on

16:19

his feet and gets a contest. There's

16:22

another player where Dinwiddie ends up with Dorit in

16:24

isolation. I wouldn't say Dinwiddie is gonna be on

16:26

any all NBA defensive teams.

16:28

And did what he stays with them,

16:30

like tracked him well and then still

16:32

recovered enough to get a contest on

16:34

the shot. And then Chet got

16:36

a little lost against Rui, lost track of

16:39

where AD was, and then he Bill Murray

16:41

rush moored him with the block from behind.

16:43

And I'm just sitting there during this 12-0 run going,

16:46

they are like fired up.

16:48

And then there was a turnover where D'Angelo Russell

16:50

got it back to LeBron, the place is going

16:52

wild. So some of these smaller things that I

16:54

was looking for were completely irrelevant, it didn't really

16:56

matter because the Lakers played with that much intensity.

16:59

Yes, I know it's a back to back for Oklahoma

17:01

City. I just talked about the game that happened the

17:03

previous night. What I don't like doing is dismiss him

17:05

anytime a good team

17:08

loses to a lesser team, and in this case in

17:10

the standings is pretty self-explanatory, that it's only because of

17:12

the back to back. I just,

17:14

I think it can get, there are certain

17:16

games I'll look at and be like, that

17:18

feels like a schedule loss. And you know

17:20

what, if you're with a Thunder, maybe this

17:23

was, but it's become way too commonplace at

17:25

any time your team loses a fucking game,

17:27

it's like, back to back, five and seven.

17:30

Somebody hit me up with the, oh, the Warriors, five

17:32

and seven. They were down 44 at the half to

17:34

Boston, okay? 44, all right,

17:37

I know it was a long scheduled thing, but we can't just

17:39

apply that to every single time, although fan base is gonna do

17:41

that. So I can't really win that fight. So

17:43

they also did a great job, I think, with Anthony

17:45

Davis getting him some momentum towards the hoop to make

17:48

it even tougher for Chet. It's one thing to hold

17:50

up in post when the guy's not moving, it's another

17:52

thing dealing with that momentum. And

17:54

they did some real cool two-man game, not super

17:56

complicated, just trying to get 80 with some momentum

17:58

towards the hoop. I even saw 80 playing

18:01

with, I always talk about that Memphis game, 2018 or 2019. The

18:06

intensity he played with him that night against Memphis

18:08

Grizzlies was like the all

18:10

time stuff. He'd shot a million free throws. I

18:13

don't, you don't have to go back and watch

18:15

it. It was just like, whoa, how come we

18:17

don't see this? All he would, there were hints

18:19

at that levels of that last night. And also

18:21

because you're like, wait, I'm Chet's here. Like Chet's

18:23

great. He's going to be really, really good. That's

18:26

a big ass. And there's no Jaylen

18:28

Williams to back him up. He was out,

18:30

I think knee injury. Uh, and

18:32

Biz MacBiambo got a seven minute stint in there.

18:34

So shout out to him. So

18:37

look, let's take a look. Uh,

18:39

Oh wait, I got to talk about Angela Russell because

18:41

he went for 26 and the third

18:43

three that he hit in the fourth quarter, he hit three of them. I

18:45

didn't even know what he was doing. No idea. He's

18:47

been on a heater now the last

18:50

few months shooting from three, 46%, 42%, 39% in

18:55

just the two games here in March. Torian Prince.

18:57

You're like, why is this guy shooting? Well, four

18:59

or six last night from three. So that was

19:01

good. It was just look, man, it was all

19:03

looking Lakers. Now here's the thing with the Lakers.

19:06

They've got five straight now against Sacramento,

19:08

Milwaukee, Minnesota at Sacramento, um,

19:10

and Golden State. So they're going

19:13

to be home for the five. They have one or two

19:15

day breaks. So even though you're looking at it and be like,

19:17

Hey, they're not going to play a sub 500 team until they

19:19

play Atlanta in a couple of weeks, but

19:21

there are breaks either one or two days in between

19:23

all of these games and four of them are at

19:26

home. So for a Lakers team that 17 and 21

19:28

against teams 500 or better, which is kind of

19:32

where all those eight, nine, 10

19:34

teams all are Dallas's sub 500. Their

19:36

record is worse against 500 teams. Golden State's record

19:39

against 500 meter teams is disastrous. And every single

19:41

fan base can play the game of like, Oh,

19:43

but our guys were out and now we're good

19:45

or whatever, whatever make all the excuses you want.

19:48

Um, the Lakers have not been good against

19:50

the better teams, but they have been recently

19:52

competitive with Denver beating. Okay. See coming back

19:54

against the Clippers. And then, you know, look,

19:56

you always get to kind of include Sacramento

19:58

and all this. Let's. see how it looks

20:01

against a tougher slate here for the next five,

20:03

but it's actually not a huge ask considering how

20:05

often they're home. And the only other road game

20:07

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21:00

in the first ever episode of

21:02

the Ryan Russell podcast live on

21:04

YouTube. And we've got a lot

21:06

to do today. We'll get to life advice later. We're

21:08

actually I don't know we're going to re brand it

21:10

as live advice. But post

21:12

combine, we're going to talk draft with Todd McShea,

21:15

everything that he learned from his sources out in

21:17

the indie. Todd, have you ever done live TV

21:19

before? And are you really nervous? No, I

21:21

was gonna ask you, I mean, this is this

21:23

is a debut for you, man. This is I

21:26

mean, how am I invited to this? I feel

21:28

special. So well, what the hell?

21:30

Honestly, though, what the hell took you so long? Great

21:33

topic right out of the jump. No,

21:36

look, what we're gonna we're not going to do this

21:38

for every episode, we just wanted to build something to

21:40

have some other content, and honestly, some other stuff that

21:42

we wanted to do, that wasn't really going to be

21:44

able to live in the podcast. So we're not going to

21:46

do it for every episode. But we wanted to get it

21:48

started. So we went live today at 9am Pacific

21:51

time, right when the people

21:53

get here to power wash my house. So

21:56

all good time coordinating perfectly

21:58

all aligned. here. So

22:01

let's look what we're gonna do we're gonna do

22:03

McShea's mock top 10 picks

22:05

then five other questions having to do with some

22:07

of the draft stuff but the

22:10

combine is as big as the

22:12

deal now as it ever has been and a lot of

22:14

it has to do with the headline names that we have

22:16

a quarterback and just

22:18

the stacked wide receiver class

22:21

the online depth that I think the league has desperately wanted

22:23

for a really long time. How many years did you actually

22:25

go because I know you didn't go this year but how

22:27

many years have you and the weird thing is you're not

22:29

even allowed in there right? Well so

22:32

it started my first year going was 1999

22:34

I was still in college I

22:36

was a senior in college Gary

22:38

Horton got me got me a pass under

22:40

a false name no

22:44

no my name under a false

22:46

title with the uh the Rams

22:49

and and so I went in as if I was you

22:51

know part of the Rams team

22:54

some in some way shape or form and

22:56

so I kind of went in and you

22:58

know started out my first year and

23:00

so for several years I was there going

23:02

in and timing and doing all those different

23:04

things and then it got to a point

23:07

where I realized like and I started having

23:09

tv responsibilities in like 2006 and I wound

23:11

up basically

23:14

from 2006 to you know a year

23:17

ago it was sitting at the hotel room all

23:19

day watching NFL network

23:22

getting the times from friends and you know guys in the

23:24

league that are in the stands writing

23:26

them all down kind of formulating my opinions and

23:28

then going back over to the stadium and doing

23:31

tv but a few years ago ESPN finally got

23:33

was allowed I think it was the first year

23:35

that fans were allowed in a select few fans

23:37

we were allowed in the stands and

23:40

you know we just kind of hung out there all day but

23:42

then after a couple years of doing that I'm sitting

23:44

up in the stands with all the tv stuff and

23:47

everything and people are walking by and it's a distraction

23:49

so I would just have the the guy who was

23:51

driving us back and forth one of the runners bring

23:53

me back to the hotel anyway so

23:55

we had all this access and I still was

23:57

sitting in a hotel room in Indianapolis writing down

24:00

numbers, plugging it in my computer and all that,

24:02

and then going back over to do TV. So

24:04

it's one of those weird deals. This is the

24:06

first year that I haven't been there at all.

24:08

I chose not to go at all. Obviously with my

24:11

contract and limited situation media

24:14

wise, that's a

24:16

story for another day. But I

24:18

got probably more out of it just sitting

24:20

at home like actually focusing, no producers calling,

24:23

texting, emailing, and like just sitting down and

24:25

watching it, getting all the official numbers coming

24:27

in, actually having time to analyze it a

24:29

little bit more. So it was kind of,

24:32

it was a different perspective this year. It was

24:34

a lot of fun to watch, but honestly it

24:37

was, I'm a junkie,

24:39

but this was an unbelievable combine. Obviously

24:41

Xavier Worthy breaking the record for the

24:43

40 yard dash 4-2-1, but just

24:46

watching these offensive linemen, watching these wide

24:48

receivers, watching some of the corner backs.

24:51

Like this is not the deepest group in

24:53

terms of talent, but this is a special

24:56

group, especially at positions like quarterback, cornerback,

24:58

wide receiver, and offensive line, which

25:00

are for probably the four most

25:03

coveted positions in throw in pass

25:05

rushers as well. All right, so

25:07

let's get to it. Let's kick back and

25:09

forth some of the top 10 guys. You

25:11

have a change there with a trade based

25:13

on some Russell Wilson news today as well.

25:15

We know that it starts at number one

25:17

with Chicago and we know that the Caleb

25:19

Williams story feels like a no brainer for

25:21

every team except Chicago. I guess you could

25:23

look at the timeline of the

25:25

off season saying, oh wait, shouldn't

25:28

the Justin Fields decision when free agency starts

25:30

March 13th and teams are going to be

25:32

looking for quarterback solutions?

25:35

Well, if there's no transaction there, does that

25:37

tell us something prior to April 25th? I

25:39

mean, I still have a really hard time

25:42

believing based on the Caleb Williams, I watched

25:44

probably more so two years ago than this

25:46

past season, that a team passes on him.

25:48

And number one, when field still hasn't really

25:51

solved it, unless you're the most patient front

25:54

office all time. Like,

25:57

I don't know, it feels like there's a lot of stuff that's being

26:00

pushed as keeping the possibility for the drama

26:02

of the storyline to stay open. I just

26:04

have a hard time believing that the Bears

26:06

aren't just taking them eventually. No, that's

26:08

what's going to happen. And it boils

26:10

down to a couple of things. First of all,

26:12

the talent level of Caleb Williams. And so you're

26:14

going to hear a lot of nonsense about painted

26:16

fingernails and crying in the stands with his mom

26:18

and his dad's business

26:20

involvement and all those other

26:23

things. First

26:25

of all, welcome to

26:27

the new athlete. Welcome to

26:29

this generation and NIL and the transfer

26:31

portal and all the other things that

26:33

are involved. And number two,

26:37

when you have a chance, an opportunity

26:39

to develop a player that has Patrick

26:41

Mahomes-like talent, I'm not saying

26:43

he's ever going to be Patrick Mahomes. Patrick

26:45

Mahomes wasn't the Mahomes we know today when

26:48

he came out of Texas Tech. But

26:50

when you have that natural raw

26:52

ability to create and extend the

26:55

way that Caleb does, you don't pass

26:57

on. And you especially don't pass

26:59

on when your quarterback, even though very talented

27:01

and has shown a lot of flashes, has

27:04

had major problems with consistency

27:06

and durability. And then you

27:08

factor the third element of it, which is the

27:11

financials. And when everyone talks about the

27:13

salary cap hit, well, it's not going to be in

27:15

2024 because actually with

27:17

the rookie salary cap, Caleb

27:20

will probably cost like $8 or $9 million

27:22

against the cap. But I think Justin

27:24

Fields, because it was a few years ago off of that, the

27:26

CBA and the rookie contracts then, is

27:28

only going to cost between $6 and $7

27:30

million. So for the

27:32

first year, it's kind of a wash.

27:34

But when you get to 2025, you're

27:36

talking about approximately $22 million

27:39

for Justin Fields if you keep

27:41

him versus $10 million. For

27:44

the number one overall pick, whether it's Caleb

27:46

or whoever. So you're talking about twice as

27:48

much that year. And then if you sign

27:50

Fields to a long-term deal from that point

27:52

on, it keeps rising. So what

27:54

you do is you reset the clock with

27:56

Caleb Williams. The more interesting thing to me,

27:59

and again, Caleb will be the pick.

28:02

Justin will get moved. Kirk Cousins

28:04

is probably going to have to get moved first.

28:06

We'll have to see where he lands. But I

28:08

think the three most likely, and I'd be shocked

28:10

if it's not one of these three teams, the

28:12

three most likely teams to land Justin Fields are

28:14

Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Minnesota,

28:17

and maybe in that order. Okay. So

28:20

Fields will get moved maybe for a third

28:22

round pick and a conditional third, fourth, or

28:24

something like that a year from now. At

28:27

best case, they get a second round pick, but it's not

28:29

going to be a first. And then

28:31

after that, you know, to me, you've reset

28:33

the clock. You've got a quarterback that you've got to

28:35

develop. You got Shane Waldron comes

28:38

in as the new offensive coordinator. But

28:40

the more interesting thing to me that I was alluding to is

28:42

a lot

28:45

of people in the league and myself included after

28:47

going back and really studying the tape from this

28:49

year, if you're just dropped on this planet and

28:51

didn't see 2022, I think

28:54

it's more of a one A one B with

28:57

Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels from LSU.

28:59

I really do like the tape for

29:01

Jayden Daniels is that good this past

29:04

year. His improvement over the last few

29:06

years is nothing short of

29:08

remarkable. Okay. And so I

29:11

talked to teams, like I just got off

29:13

the phone yesterday with a director of personnel.

29:16

And he said, I'm telling you, like, it's close. And

29:18

this team could be in the market for a quarterback.

29:20

So they're studying this as close as anyone else. It's

29:23

closer than everyone wants to think like we're

29:25

debating it in our in our room. And

29:28

so I think to me, that's in there.

29:30

Like it was so much Drake May and

29:32

Caleb for so long. In NFL organizations, the

29:35

vast majority that I've talked to, it's

29:37

Caleb and Daniels is the argument and then

29:39

it's Drake May. And there's kind of a

29:41

tear after that when you get to JJ

29:43

McCarthy. Okay. Right. There was a

29:45

couple things that you hit on there. And

29:47

you know, whenever like the active parent is

29:49

involved, and everybody starts wondering if it's going

29:52

to be like youth sports or a you

29:54

click Kingsbury, who's now with Washington had a quote

29:57

this week, he said, I think I saw his

29:59

dad once. SC okay,

30:01

yeah, so I

30:04

thought the other positive stuff for Caleb was when

30:06

people were at the senior Bowl when they started

30:08

asking like Intel You know you're sitting there with

30:10

a draft prospect But what you're really doing is

30:12

like how does this guy react when I asked

30:14

about Caleb Williams? The team I read I didn't

30:16

read anything negative this entire

30:18

week about any of that stuff,

30:21

so There's just so many

30:23

little things that just don't bother me that

30:25

that seemed to get repeated constantly And I'm

30:28

I'm honestly just over with and as far as like the

30:30

fields financial part of it Okay,

30:32

fine, so he jumps up in to

30:35

a to a big Guaranteed number for

30:37

one year and it's not even big based on what

30:40

the average annual salary is for a starting quarterback So

30:42

if you're looking at fields at like 22 24

30:45

million for one year after the rookie

30:47

deal expires But you don't want

30:49

to give him a longer term extension if you're the new

30:51

team like none of this really matters like you Hope he's

30:54

good enough that you then have to give him the raise

30:57

In some of the speculation that oh well

30:59

if he's a starter he's gonna be making this kind of money

31:01

It doesn't mean you just be like oh well. He's our starter.

31:03

I guess you give him 40 million So let's transition that

31:05

into number two with Washington you have Daniels there

31:07

over Drake, May Do you think this is ultimately

31:09

how this all plays out based on everything you've

31:11

thought like you just basically hit on it But

31:13

it sounds like more teams are debating Jayden

31:16

and Caleb more than Drake which is

31:18

a massive departure from where we were at For

31:20

the months right after the regular season the college

31:22

football season was over Yeah, again

31:24

it started with me going back and studying the

31:26

tape and I love Drake man We can get

31:29

into him, but there are inconsistencies in his tape

31:31

that you don't see in Jayden's and And

31:34

I to me like when I'm talking to

31:36

people in the league like I want to

31:38

have when I make those conversations I want

31:40

to have done my tape assessment so I

31:42

can have a conversation that is two-sided and

31:45

it's not like hey What do you think

31:47

right because I'm not gonna get information from people

31:50

and they're not gonna respect me. This is over

31:52

years This isn't just just this year. They're not

31:54

gonna respect me enough to like actually talk ball

31:57

If I don't have an opinion and I've had

31:59

plenty of conversations with guys where we completely

32:01

disagree, you know, and they wind up being

32:03

right sometimes, you know, it doesn't matter, but

32:06

you better be educated, and you better be

32:08

able to talk about that throw in the

32:10

third quarter or against UCLA or whatever it

32:12

is. Right? And so

32:14

it started with me going back seasons over really

32:17

studying the tape and being like, wait,

32:20

they're like, when I just independently like take

32:22

a step back, not all the hype and not,

32:24

not all the noise. There's

32:27

not a big difference from the tape in 2023. Now

32:30

I think the 2022 tape for Caleb is better

32:32

than any of these quarterbacks, what they put together

32:34

in any other year. But this

32:36

past year, I didn't see a

32:38

big difference. I'm not saying that the same exact

32:41

player by any stretch, but there's a lot of

32:43

similarities, the ability to create the ability to, to,

32:45

you know, be a running threat and

32:47

the ability to off schedule throws. So I

32:49

think that they're very close. And then I

32:52

talked to guys in the league that I

32:54

respect and trust, and they're

32:56

saying the same thing. And

32:58

so to me, like, what else do I

33:00

need? I trust my evaluation. I trust the

33:03

people in the league that I talk to

33:05

every year that are typically spot on with,

33:07

with what's going to happen. And it's, it's

33:10

Caleb one, but it's Daniels one

33:12

a, and then there's almost like another tier

33:14

where you get into Drake may. And

33:16

even though he's in that next tier, he's a quarterback. So he's

33:18

probably going to go three to New England. And

33:21

then JJ McCarthy's in that fourth tier, still a

33:23

quarterback. You'd like to get him late first, early

33:25

second. He's not going to last that long. So

33:27

maybe he goes in the top 10. So we

33:29

can get to all that. But my point is

33:31

Jaden, I go

33:34

back to a conversation I had last year with

33:36

Brian Kelly before I was on working the sideline,

33:38

doing the game as an analyst. I

33:40

talked to Brian Kelly and I was asking him just about

33:42

Jaden and he came, he kind of came up to me

33:45

and really wanted to talk more than we talked in the

33:47

meeting with all the other people there. And

33:49

he's like, listen, I just, he's like, you know, you and

33:51

I've had these conversations going back to Notre Dame and all

33:54

the other quarterbacks. Like I need you to understand this, like

33:56

he can throw with anticipation, even though you're

33:58

not seeing that on. on tape. He

34:01

can make accurate throws in those situations. He

34:03

can go through progressions, even though maybe you

34:05

don't see that on tape because it feels

34:08

like he's locking on. The thing

34:10

that we're trying to unlock in him is

34:12

to trust himself. He trusts himself

34:14

at times in practice because there's not a

34:16

there's not a consequence to it. And he

34:18

said the worst thing it drives me frigging

34:20

crazy right now because everyone in the media

34:22

is like, Oh, he's gone five games. Jayden

34:24

hasn't thrown an interception. If you remember, that

34:26

was all the talk. Jayden, no interceptions, five

34:28

games. So they're going to play Tennessee that

34:30

day and they get beat bad. But

34:33

his thing was I want him to throw a pick.

34:35

He goes, it sounds crazy, but I want him to throw a

34:37

pick. So it's like, all right, we got that done with it's

34:39

not the end of the world. Come out

34:42

and just like, trust your eyes, get the

34:44

ball out before the receiver breaks. He goes

34:46

right now. He's stuck on wanting to see

34:48

that receiver open because then he knows it's

34:50

the safe move. I don't want him to

34:52

be safe. He goes the second we unlock

34:54

that in him, he's going to take off.

34:57

And in that game, the first three throws were

34:59

like deep outs where the ball had to come

35:01

out. And basically I could tell Brian told him,

35:03

like, don't even go to your second read. This

35:06

is going to be a read. It's one on

35:08

one. Make the throw on time. Whatever happens happens.

35:10

And he did. And you started to see it

35:12

in that game, even though they struggled. But from

35:14

that point on, there was a confidence in him

35:16

and we saw him just absolutely take off. And

35:19

truly like one of the most remarkable two year

35:21

turnarounds in tape is Jayden Daniels 2022 2023 from

35:23

what we had seen from him before. Yeah,

35:27

look, I think Burroughs, the most recent example,

35:30

somebody's gonna go this high where his first

35:32

year at LSU, like, all right, you know,

35:34

yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, you know, and

35:36

then like, wait, what is this?

35:39

And it's one of the very

35:41

similar and they both have great receivers. And if you

35:45

were doubting him, you're saying, well, it's just one

35:47

year of greatness. It was he's got great receivers

35:49

that he's thrown into. But honestly,

35:51

at the end of the day, when

35:53

you really study it independently of everything

35:55

else, they just played an extraordinary, extraordinarily

35:58

high level. And we saw Burroughs number

36:00

one overall pick and the Bengals would do that 100 out of 100 times

36:02

again. Right. Because

36:04

part of it when I looked at some of the Drake May

36:06

stuff again, and look, he had Ted Walker for more of the

36:08

season than he didn't, who's

36:10

a real difference maker. But then when you

36:12

think of neighbors, who's going to be a

36:14

top five, top six pick, Thomas, who throughout

36:17

the season, you were a first round pick

36:19

too. Yeah. 17 touchdowns. You

36:21

were like, wait, is this guy better than the other guy?

36:23

You know, look, and I think there's probably an

36:25

argument that neighbors is more a complete receiver and

36:27

that's why the Mocs have him going probably 20

36:30

slots higher than his teammate. But

36:33

you're right. I mean, Jaden was basically perfect.

36:36

And maybe it'd be looked at a little bit differently

36:38

if the defense had just been average enough. All right.

36:41

So we've got May. Will New England,

36:43

do you think Belichick not being there

36:45

means they'll prioritize a receiver to put

36:47

with May if May goes third? Because

36:49

I just, especially when you have the

36:51

rookie scale quarterback contract and then

36:53

not getting him a weapon the way, you

36:56

know, San Francisco has done

36:58

a pretty good job with, with obviously Deebo and

37:00

it's a little different, um, with

37:02

Purdy, but like AJ Brown's a great example.

37:05

You draft Avante Smith for Jalen Hurts. You make

37:07

the trade for AJ Brown. And like now the

37:09

world starts to open up and it's just an

37:11

easier job when you have one of those say

37:13

10 to 12 difference makers. You know, I'm not

37:15

calling AJ like a top five guy, but

37:18

to think that New England, I would say post-Bella

37:20

check, like that would be the number one priority

37:23

if you're looking at what's gone wrong with the

37:25

development of the quarterbacks post Brady. Yeah.

37:27

And throughout Brady's career, it was about

37:30

finding receivers that fit Brady and I

37:32

don't want to bog everyone down, but

37:34

like option routes under like they needed

37:37

smarter than they needed. Smart

37:39

was more important than

37:41

talent and for most of the

37:43

receiver evaluations because of Brady, like

37:46

maybe one time it's a mistake, but the second

37:48

time that you're not in the place you're supposed

37:50

to be because everything more so than any offense,

37:52

I can remember watching and evaluating the NFL. Like

37:55

it was so much about we got, if they

37:57

do this, we're going to, we're going to out

37:59

cut. do this in cut. If they, if they

38:01

bring up, but you got to go vertical. So

38:04

every route would had like three options based

38:06

off of what the defense was doing. And

38:09

if you may, if they made a mistake once

38:11

like, all right, let's see, you've started

38:13

making that mistake two, three, four times. Brady's

38:15

going to quit on you. And that's what

38:17

have they brought in a lot of guys

38:19

in free agency. They tried drafting some guys

38:21

in the first, second, third round. And a

38:23

lot of those guys didn't work. So lesser

38:25

talented receivers who were better football acumen worked

38:27

for him. And then I think they kind

38:29

of got stuck in that, well, we can

38:31

get receivers anywhere, right? Like the Steelers

38:33

always get their receivers in the second round and other

38:36

teams like third, fourth. Yeah, but they're good at it.

38:39

They're good at it, but also, but you

38:41

don't have Brady anymore. And even if his

38:43

name wasn't Brady, it's like not what we're

38:45

doing anymore. We don't have a quarterback who

38:47

operates at that level mentally. So it didn't

38:50

work. So I'm fascinated to see New England.

38:52

I think they're going to take a quarterback.

38:54

I think in this scenario, Drake made the

38:56

pick at number three, but I'm

38:58

interested to see like, what's the emphasis now

39:01

on speed? Like to me, watching

39:03

the Patriots, the lack of speed in the back

39:05

seven, right? Defensively, the lack of

39:07

speed at wide receiver and playmakers and

39:09

difference makers is what they've been missing

39:11

for the last few years. And they

39:13

didn't have Brady who was making up

39:15

for all those sins. He was masking

39:17

all the problems. And so they, they

39:19

kind of, from a personnel standpoint, I

39:21

think they shifted so much one way

39:23

that they struggled to come back the

39:25

other way when they needed to. And

39:27

now, now they've got kind of a

39:29

fresh start from a personnel department, you

39:31

know, standpoint. I'm interested to see what they do. Cause

39:33

I I'm with you. I think it's quarterback first, and then

39:36

maybe second round, like Ricky Persall from,

39:38

from Florida, who ran in the four

39:40

fours, uh, uh,

39:42

lad McConkie who ran faster, you know, ran

39:44

really fast. We knew he was fast, but

39:47

as explosive in his athletic movements, like I

39:49

think they get in a deep wide receiver

39:51

group, I, this is an opportunity to not

39:53

only solve quarterback, but to get him a

39:55

young guy they can grow old together with.

39:58

Okay. So number four, Arizona, Marvin Harris. No

40:00

surprise here. We've already spent a ton of time

40:02

on him and considering it's kind of

40:04

a make or break year for Kyler. You know, if he

40:07

stays healthy, what does it look like? He's shown glimpses that

40:09

it felt like at times he was carrying that offense, but

40:12

obviously concerns. But they made the decision to go all

40:14

in again because they've already paid him all

40:16

that money too. And it's a different team. Like Mike

40:18

Sandow was reminded of this, like when

40:20

Denver makes their move and you think of the

40:22

cash situation, like that's already cash out of pocket.

40:24

Like there's nothing you can do there. We're in

40:26

Arizona. It's like, yeah, we've already paid you that.

40:28

You have to kill. You actually have to keep

40:31

coming to work for us. So I thought

40:34

real quickly, I thought Marvin Harrison Jr. And

40:37

I'm not anti-establishment, but

40:40

I am anti-dumb, right? And

40:42

so I thought Marvin Harrison Jr. Like if you're going

40:45

to be a top five pick, if you're clearly the

40:47

best at your position, and like when my position comes

40:49

up or when it's not a quarterback, I'm going to

40:51

be drafted. The team that

40:53

drafts him, let's say it is Arizona 4, is going

40:55

to be thrilled with his decision not to sit there

40:57

for two months, wasting his

40:59

time trying to get the fastest 40

41:01

yard dash and training for a broad

41:03

jump and vertical jump and the three

41:05

cone drill and the shuttles, right? But

41:09

training with the veterans, wherever he's

41:11

training, the veterans who are

41:13

getting ready for the next season. And

41:15

I think so often we see these rookies, they've spent

41:18

so much time training for a 40 yard dash and

41:20

all these drills at the combine that they

41:22

were kind of a year behind. And we've seen, we see

41:24

a lot of rookies come in and they're fine, but they

41:27

wear down late in their rookie year, whatever it is. To

41:30

me, this needs to be the new

41:32

shift. It's

41:35

like a fraternity almost, like, well, this

41:37

is how we've always done it. And these are

41:39

the initiation drills or whatever we have. And so

41:41

like there's this pressure on these guys to do

41:43

it that way. And there should be for everyone

41:45

who is going to be drafted like the middle

41:47

first on, you know, throughout the rest of the

41:50

process, like you've got to put up the numbers

41:52

and all of that. But I think when we're,

41:54

you're talking about franchise guys who are coming in

41:56

and in their rookie contract, making 33, 35. $38

42:00

million over the rookie contract and you're

42:03

making that investment in them I want

42:05

those guys training for my for the

42:07

rookie year because I need them to

42:09

play at that level Not training for a

42:11

40-yard dash. All right, let's go a little quicker with the

42:13

second half of this ten and then get to The question

42:15

still So you've got

42:17

neighbors at five for the Chargers

42:19

and then Joe all six tackle

42:22

there for the Giants I'm

42:24

just gonna go on record. I like wrong better than neighbors

42:27

and you have him going seventh to Tennessee Well,

42:29

if you just watch the combine you're gonna like

42:31

you're gonna like Rome a dunes a over over

42:33

neighbors I mean, he's six three dunes a a

42:35

six three two. Well with the combine. Yeah, no,

42:38

I know I'm saying no, but but But

42:41

when you looked at like neighbors didn't have a you know,

42:43

didn't I mean he he

42:45

opted out of some stuff Like he didn't have

42:47

the the week that other people had and what

42:50

kind of left that door open if you will

42:52

But six three two twelve, you

42:54

know four four five and his 40 at

42:56

that size 39 inch vertical. So There's

42:59

some explosiveness in him that maybe you didn't always

43:02

Necessarily see on tape because he's more like a devante

43:04

Adams But Adams didn't run all that well in the

43:06

40 but he's the route

43:08

running the physicality the toughness all that

43:10

so Yeah, you're not alone

43:12

in that is what I'm trying to say. You're not

43:14

alone Is it a separation issue

43:17

that keeps that the idea that Malik

43:19

separates a little bit easier than a

43:21

dunes a does? It's explosiveness.

43:23

I Mean he is

43:25

he's only a lightning bolt His

43:28

ability to create after the catch

43:30

and vertically is is greater than

43:32

that of O'Doon's a but O'Doon's a is

43:35

separates his I Wouldn't

43:37

say as well, but he finds a way to separate

43:39

me whether it's shielding with his body But

43:42

he he is probably them. I would say

43:44

he's more consistent. Okay, Oh

43:46

dunes a is Neighbors is more

43:48

explosive nine out of ten times

43:50

more explosive guys can go early That's why I haven't

43:52

going the charges of five But the fascinating thing to

43:54

me here like when you get to five to ten

43:58

Offensive tackle receiver receiver offensive All

44:00

almost all these teams need receiver offensive

44:02

tackle and it's a perfect year for

44:04

it because the Chargers at five need

44:07

both Giants at six need

44:09

both Titans at seven need both

44:11

Atlanta You could say both but

44:13

really it wouldn't be receiver

44:15

be offensive line or pass rusher I've

44:18

got a you know, Chicago then could could

44:20

I could go with both? Sitting

44:22

in number nine if they don't trade out of that

44:24

spot the Jets at number ten or offensive tackle So

44:27

to me, this is where the run happens I'll be

44:29

interested to see what harb on his first year because

44:31

he's so offensive line run the

44:34

football Two three tight end

44:36

focus is he gonna be you know in

44:38

his first major personnel decision? Is it gonna

44:40

be a receiver to help out his quarterback

44:42

who hasn't had healthy guys at that position?

44:44

Or is it gonna be offensive line to

44:46

kind of set the tone? This is what

44:48

we're going to be That

44:51

puts Joe all in between the two receivers

44:53

We talked about with the Chargers with

44:55

neighbors and then Tennessee

44:57

going up the Duns day. So Joe

44:59

all It's funny because

45:02

I think the official measurement was six eight Yeah,

45:05

five eights and then I was looking

45:07

at some of the other numbers again this morning and it

45:09

came up six nine So I don't know if the second

45:11

time he was given a height test.

45:13

It was he grew even more Look

45:16

now they just round up After

45:18

six eight we're just we're just rounding

45:20

up it doesn't it doesn't matter anymore

45:22

the five eights isn't that different? There's

45:25

debate about how big can you

45:27

actually be at tackle? Certainly

45:30

when it talks about like your

45:32

height Fillet-lay the the

45:34

swing guy for the Ravens is a

45:36

mountain of a guy like I was

45:38

going back historically like looking for who

45:41

were the biggest dudes and I think

45:43

the The problem with the argument

45:45

because the history isn't that great is that

45:47

if you've watched all play like he just

45:49

looks Athletic like

45:51

he looks athletic enough to carry all of

45:53

this stuff that this is why he's looked

45:55

at this generational tackle prospect Yeah, I

45:58

mean and there's a lot of really good

46:00

ones. And you can, I mean, there's some tape where

46:02

you can kind of see that height and maybe like

46:04

the lateral ability, but when

46:07

you're that tall, that long, and you're well

46:09

built in proportion, don't, what was his weight,

46:11

like 320 something, six,

46:14

eight, and change three. I think it was

46:16

in three twenties. And

46:18

then the most important thing is like, all right,

46:20

can he move? He ran a five

46:22

flat, dude. Yeah, he

46:25

ran a five. Think about that. A five flat

46:27

at that size. Like it's one thing when you're

46:29

a six, four, 298 pounds center, or even

46:33

a tackle and you run a five

46:35

flat or a sub five second, but

46:37

at that size, that's, that's remarkable. And

46:40

ironically, everyone says, well, who an offensive

46:42

lineman is never going to run 40

46:44

yard dashes. I've studied all of

46:46

these things with analytics guys. One

46:48

of the, the most, one

46:51

of the numbers that correlates most to NFL,

46:53

NFL success is offensive tackles in their 40

46:56

yard dash. I can't give you the why.

46:58

Maybe it's the explosiveness, the coordination, whatever it is.

47:00

If you just study it

47:02

in terms of success in the NFL,

47:04

that's one of the numbers, their, their

47:07

length combined with their 40 time,

47:09

not their 10 yard split, which you would think

47:11

common sense, right? It's their 40 time. That really

47:13

is an indicator of what they're going to have

47:15

success. He ran a five flat at that size,

47:17

which is stupid. All right. So that

47:19

brings us to number eight, Atlanta, Dallas Turner. I

47:22

know the measurables because

47:24

they're impressive. And when you watched

47:27

him physically, you go, okay, this

47:29

guy's different. Um, I think

47:31

he came in at what was the final number

47:34

here, like six, three, two, 47. Yeah. And

47:38

you know, he, all the testing was

47:41

exactly what you would want from him. I

47:44

watched ran in the law force. He ran

47:46

like a four, four, seven, or four, four,

47:48

nine as an edge rusher. And

47:50

he worked out with the linebackers and still, I

47:52

think had the fastest time of the linebackers. Well,

47:54

a lot of guys were like six foot two

47:57

30, you know, so I know

47:59

the Western Michigan. I lit

48:01

it up. Me, Lindy. Yeah. As

48:03

far as like the linebacker, some of

48:05

the speed tests for the linebacker D-line group.

48:08

I watched a lot of Alabama just because they're relevant

48:11

enough to watch them all the time. You

48:14

know, whenever we look at defensive linemen, I'd say this

48:16

is probably more about like interior defensive linemen because I

48:18

remember like going all the way back to Hulodi Nada.

48:20

It's like, I, you know, he takes some plays off.

48:22

You're like, no kidding. He

48:24

takes a few plays off. Do you know how

48:26

brutal that job is? It's unbelievable.

48:28

It's a little day long. So, you

48:30

know, Dallas is certainly an edge guy and

48:32

not interior. But for

48:35

somebody with that hype and that build, and

48:37

look, he's nasty. He had his 10 sacks.

48:40

You know, you're not going to get a million

48:42

solo tackles in Alabama's defensive system because there's

48:44

talent all over the place. Ton of pressures.

48:46

A ton of pressures. Ton of pressures. I

48:50

don't know if I'm being too hard on him, but I

48:52

guess I think for a top 10 guy with all

48:54

that hype, I guess I would have liked to see

48:56

him consistently change the game more. But he did kind

48:58

of fall into that closer role. You

49:01

know, the TJY at the end. So

49:03

am I, am I, I'm not off base with that. No,

49:05

I don't think you are off base. I think this is

49:07

more, it's more looking

49:10

at the future, what he can be, what

49:12

was his role in Alabama when they are

49:14

heavy in terms of gap, discipline, and all

49:16

those sorts of things. A lot of the

49:18

same questions, you know, were with

49:21

last year with their top edge rusher.

49:23

And so like to me, you

49:27

look at what he has from a skill

49:29

set standpoint and what he can

49:31

be. And then also Atlanta needs a

49:33

pass rusher desperately. And I'm kind of

49:35

working under the assumption that they're going to wind

49:37

up with, I think Justin Fields is

49:39

going to go to Atlanta. I just, you know, I'm

49:42

kind of working on that assumption. We'll see if that

49:44

happens. And if not, when we talk about mock draft

49:46

in a few weeks from now, maybe it'll be different.

49:48

But I just think Justin Fields landing in Atlanta is

49:50

destined to happen. But

49:53

it could have very easily, just to be

49:55

honest and transparent, Jared

49:57

verse, I debated the two. Jared

50:00

verse to me is a little bit

50:02

more physical, strong, heavy hands. And

50:05

whereas I look at Turner and it's more

50:07

explosiveness, speed, nastiness, you know, all those sorts

50:09

of things. Yeah. The nastiness is certainly there,

50:11

which I think for edge guys, like you

50:13

want somebody playing in the gray area, but

50:15

you want him to have that, even

50:18

if you would look at a couple of hits late this

50:20

year, we were like, what's going on? But, you know, I

50:22

don't think defensive line coaches are going to look at that

50:24

tape and be upset about any of it. Okay. So you

50:26

have a trade here and this is off the Russell Wilson

50:28

news today. Uh, that the Broncos are

50:31

going to take an $85 million cap hit

50:33

to just move on from Russell Wilson, which

50:35

is just astonishing considering you signed the five

50:37

year extension for two 42. Obviously

50:39

not all of that was guaranteed. Um,

50:41

but it's a cash rich ownership group that's able

50:43

to do something like this. And I think it's

50:45

also worth pointing out the salary cap and the

50:47

NFL went from two Oh eight to 255 million

50:50

in just two years. So when you

50:52

start looking historically, like I listened

50:55

to some people kind of talk about it earlier on, but I

50:57

noticed the smarter people were going, you know, they actually might be

50:59

able to just do this and then do this now. And

51:02

then the way they'll announce it after the

51:04

cuts, like it's just taking your medicine

51:06

now and getting it over with and knowing that

51:08

the cap has jumped almost 50 million in two

51:10

years makes this far more feasible historically than ever

51:12

trying to take on this kind of number. So

51:14

you think they trade up here? Yeah.

51:16

I mean, I, I think it's first of

51:18

all, almost every year we see

51:21

a team trade up, you know, very likely to

51:23

trade up into the top 10 to get a

51:25

quarterback. We've seen it, you know, we

51:27

see what we saw with Josh Allen. We saw with Patrick

51:29

Mahomes and we've seen it with a lot of guys. And

51:31

so, and then you have

51:33

to look at who's sitting there that could

51:35

take him. If we just sit back and

51:37

Minnesota is just a couple of picks back

51:39

from that number nine spot. So, and I

51:41

think Chicago, after drafting first, overall, the maneuvering

51:43

that Ryan polls, their GM did a year

51:45

ago and still in that rebuild mode. Why

51:47

not move back a couple of spots, get

51:50

some more draft capital this year, you know, and,

51:52

and, and take advantage of that and continue that

51:54

rebuild. So I'm not saying

51:56

it's going to happen. I don't have any insight.

51:59

Obviously they, the news. just broke on

52:01

Russell. But to me, JJ

52:04

McCarthy is clearly the number four quarterback. We

52:06

know the top three are very like, you

52:08

know, it was in Drake May. And so

52:11

what's the difference taking him, you know, sitting back in the

52:13

middle of the first round versus moving up and going to

52:15

get him? Well, you're going to have to give up a

52:17

pick. But if he's the guy and

52:19

you're believing him and I think he would fit in

52:21

that Sean Payton system really well, then

52:24

why wouldn't you take him? Sean Payton wants a guy

52:26

who can pick things up quickly, you

52:28

know, is willing to put team in front

52:30

of self. And I just

52:33

think that McCarthy from a makeup standpoint makes

52:35

a lot of sense to Denver. And if

52:37

he doesn't go there, then maybe it's Minnesota

52:39

just a couple of picks later. But I

52:41

don't think JJ, whether you think he's a

52:44

late first or mid first or early for

52:46

whatever you think, I don't think because there's

52:48

a in my opinion, in the opinion of

52:50

several people I've talked to, there is a

52:52

drop off when from JJ McCarthy to Bo

52:55

Nicks to Michael Penix to those

52:57

guys, right? And so this is kind of

52:59

your last shot. And if you believe in

53:01

JJ, then it's worth it to give up what

53:03

you have to do to move up a

53:05

few spots. All right, one more pick and let's

53:07

get to five questions around out this segment. Yeah,

53:10

the Jets are sending a 10 which

53:12

offensive tackles there. I think it's pretty

53:14

simple. I think that has been obviously now

53:16

you've got a an agent quarterback coming

53:18

coming back off an Achilles injury. I

53:20

went with Tulis Fuega from Oregon State.

53:22

It could easily be for

53:25

Shamu from from Penn State. So

53:27

like, the tackles are loaded,

53:29

but the Jets can't get cute and move back

53:31

and hope to get like, just you stay at

53:33

10. Count your blessings that

53:35

this is a year where we actually have

53:37

like legit starting tackles in the draft and

53:40

take a full water if he's sitting there if that's where you have

53:42

them on the board. Yeah, it's really incredible

53:44

when you broke down the top 10. And I looked

53:46

at it when he sent it to me this morning.

53:49

And you're going like, all right, in a weaker draft.

53:51

Where's Joe Alco? You know, like where it is. Marvin

53:53

Harrison Jr. might be the number one overall pick. If

53:55

it wasn't this quarterback dominated class and you have McCarthy

53:57

is the fourth guy in. It's

54:00

just there's almost like,

54:03

you know, in the years you're looking at guys going five

54:05

or six, might be going nine, 10, 11 in this

54:07

year's group because of the quarterback needs that

54:09

we have at the top and then all these stud receivers. Okay,

54:11

all right, so let's get to a five questions then. This

54:14

is one of my favorite things to do with you and we'll see

54:16

how much this changes between now and the draft. We still get some

54:19

time here, but I like the

54:21

Intel pick. The pick that seems

54:23

like every team when you talk to them, because

54:25

this is what I like with the NBA draft,

54:27

like, all right, man, seven different

54:29

teams have told me, oh yeah, this is

54:31

who those guys are taking. And it's crazy

54:33

how often it's right by the way. So

54:36

it's either the team doesn't care or

54:39

it's just a leaky front office, but give

54:41

me the Intel pick that so many people

54:43

seem to be sharing with you this

54:45

early on. Well, it's too early to like to

54:47

stamp it and we'll get there. Like, I want

54:50

to do this in like a few more weeks

54:52

and then I want to do it right before

54:55

the draft so that we can kind of go

54:57

back and look and maybe this will be the

54:59

one that's right when we look back on it.

55:01

But like teams haven't finished their boards, all that

55:03

stuff, but the one that makes the most sense

55:05

to me and kind of fits

55:07

what they would try to do, like Kansas

55:09

City has spent so much on their defense

55:12

and getting that right, right? And

55:14

in the last couple of drafts and we

55:16

saw in the last few drafts and we've

55:18

seen the results. Now

55:21

you've got Bela's scantling,

55:24

he's gone no longer with the team.

55:26

Yeah, there's Tony nightmare. And

55:30

so like we need a burner and we're

55:33

seeing Bryce, we hit on that pick, right? But

55:35

he's a yak guy yards after catch, let's get

55:37

him the ball in the quick game. So they

55:39

need someone to get down the field vertical. Xavier

55:42

Worthy just goes and runs the fastest time in the

55:44

history of the combine, four, two, one. I

55:46

would have said before he ran that, even if he

55:48

ran a four, three, five, it didn't matter to me.

55:50

The dude's a burner. I kind

55:52

of have pictured him like, all

55:54

right, you got this guy who's quick underneath. You

55:56

got Kelsey coming back, who's your tight end. We

55:58

need somebody who's gonna stretch. the field and can

56:00

actually catch the ball when he gets

56:03

open. Yeah. And I think I've got

56:05

the numbers here somewhere, but I think

56:07

when I look at worthy, he's, I've

56:10

got a breakdown of all the receivers and their

56:12

drop rate. And he's somewhere like, you know,

56:14

in the, in the top half in terms of the best,

56:17

you know, I think he was like 6.4% drop rate. So

56:20

which is better than average, let's put it that way. So

56:23

a huge upgrade over what, you

56:25

know, MVS provided the last couple of years

56:27

when open deep. So to me, that one

56:30

just makes the most sense. And, and I've

56:32

heard a couple other people talk about it.

56:34

And I'm like, yeah, I kind of, I agree with that.

56:37

So we'll see. But when I, when I start getting actual

56:39

information, then we can have a lot of fun with it. Prior

56:42

to you telling me the Kansas city was, was

56:44

kind of the, Hey, everybody's sort of plugging this

56:46

one in now. And it could be totally wrong

56:48

or whatever. I just

56:50

look at the receiver class. I was like, all of a sudden,

56:52

like now guys like, all right, you know, Xavier

56:54

Worthy was really good this year. I think I like Mitchell,

56:57

his teammate better. Yeah, some

56:59

people do. So then it's

57:01

like, wait, but then when you think about the

57:03

phones, you think about Kansas city, a team that

57:05

struggled with drops, I think more than anybody else.

57:07

I think they had the highest total after the

57:09

regular season was done. You just

57:11

like, okay, actually I'm in, I'm in

57:13

like if they take him and he's going to run

57:16

and he doesn't have to worry about like, Tyree kill

57:18

wasn't even a route guy when he was Kansas city,

57:20

which is a credit to him and how he kind

57:22

of improved some of the stuff that he's doing Miami

57:26

prior to your Kansas city lean.

57:29

I was, I got to admit like I'm watching some of the

57:31

combine stuff like chuckling a little bit. Like now all of a

57:33

sudden you guys are like all talking this dude up and he

57:35

was Texas as a playoff team. He

57:37

was really good. I guess maybe I just favored Mitchell

57:39

a bit over the course of the season. All right.

57:41

Give me the first round who has a first round

57:44

grade, but you don't have a first round grade on

57:46

him. I'm going to go next.

57:49

The quarterback for Morgan. I listen that

57:52

part of our job, like part of the job of

57:54

evaluating you do it in basketball and I'm interested to

57:56

get your take on this, but to

57:58

me it's all about. perspective and

58:02

projection when you're, when you're looking at college

58:04

players. Right. And so like you

58:06

got to have to keep in, like I, let's

58:09

go back to Tim Tebow, for example. Okay.

58:11

Tim Tebow, my perspective on it, I thought

58:13

was great. I have the

58:15

utmost respect for him in terms of

58:17

his work ethic, the grind that he

58:20

put in and your job as a

58:22

college quarterback, any position, but especially quarterback is

58:24

to, is to make everyone else

58:26

around you better and to show up and deliver

58:28

in big games and big moments. He did that

58:30

better than maybe anyone who had done it prior

58:32

to that. Like I made the comment so many

58:34

times, 50 times probably, and no one wanted to

58:37

listen to it because I was the most hated

58:39

man in America because I didn't think Tebow was

58:41

going to be a great player. But I said

58:43

over and over again, like he might be the

58:45

best college quarterback I've ever seen. But

58:48

in the NFL, that there here comes

58:50

like the perspective and the projection. He

58:53

doesn't have the accuracy, the consistency, the timing

58:55

to, to project as

58:57

a, as a consistent starter moving forward.

59:00

And a guy that you can believe

59:02

will be your guy for several years.

59:04

And we saw how that played out.

59:06

Will Levins is probably more comparable last

59:08

year, that discussion. I

59:10

love the dude. Like how can you

59:12

not love a dude who plays quarterback like

59:14

linebacker, who will sacrifice anything in his senior

59:17

year when he's trying to be a first

59:19

round pick, he's going out there injured and

59:21

playing, putting bad tape out there because he's

59:23

putting his team above himself. But

59:25

ultimately rifle arm,

59:27

big, sturdy, strong guy,

59:30

competitive runner, you know, did all these things. Got

59:32

made Kentucky a heck of a lot better than

59:34

they would have been. We saw when he was

59:37

injured in an out for a game

59:39

of how horrible they were. But there's,

59:42

you know, the inconsistency with the passing, the durability

59:44

issues, all those sorts of things. So I get

59:46

to bone X and now

59:48

I'm going to say I've got a second round

59:50

grade on him. I don't love him as a

59:52

prospect moving forward. I think in the right situation,

59:54

maybe he can have some success, but I'm not

59:56

stamping him and embedding my organization on him. I

59:59

love the. fact that he's the most experienced quarterback

1:00:01

to ever come out. I love his journey,

1:00:03

his toughness, all of these things. And

1:00:06

that's what everyone goes back to. And I hear, you know,

1:00:08

if you sit down in a room with Bo Nix and

1:00:10

blah, blah, blah, on Twitter, right? I

1:00:12

get it. I can love the dude. I

1:00:15

can respect the hell out of him. But

1:00:17

if I don't think he's going to be a great quarterback, I've got

1:00:19

to say, you know what, I'm going to step back. Let's use a

1:00:21

second round pick on Bo Nix. So that's where I am with Bo.

1:00:24

Yeah. I think what happens a lot with this

1:00:26

is it's like playing the results. You know, if

1:00:28

the college quarterback had a ton of success, he

1:00:31

wins, he's maybe doubted three or four guys go

1:00:33

ahead of him, and then he has a nice

1:00:35

run in the NFL. Then it's

1:00:37

like, you know, why don't you just take more guys that are successful?

1:00:39

It's like, well, it was easy as that. And he would just take

1:00:41

everybody who was conference player of the year. It was that quarterback. And

1:00:43

you wouldn't care about the rage. You wouldn't care about the system or

1:00:45

any of these things. Like every approach

1:00:48

has its success and failures. And

1:00:50

so when I look at it in comparison

1:00:53

to college hoops versus like, you

1:00:55

know, I guess it's still the one

1:00:57

and done things have gotten a little different with

1:00:59

the G league, don't know what the long-term for

1:01:02

that is in the international stuff, like I'll just

1:01:04

do an example. If you go back to the

1:01:06

draft in 2015, Emmanuel Moudier,

1:01:09

who had a weird path to the league, uh, go

1:01:11

seventh overall, he was 19 Frank Kaminsky,

1:01:13

who had had a really great run at

1:01:15

Wisconsin and he was going to be, I think, what

1:01:17

a 22 year old rookie, all right,

1:01:19

Frank had done stuff, you know, high

1:01:21

level college hoops, tournament runs, you'd seen

1:01:24

him. And yet Moudier was like

1:01:26

this, this physical guy. The idea was that he

1:01:28

was going to be a point guard. I wasn't necessarily

1:01:30

in love with him when I remember going back and

1:01:32

doing that draft for ESPN, but, uh,

1:01:35

and I'm not saying that cause I ended up being right.

1:01:37

It's just that it was a classic

1:01:40

NBA front office internal argument. And if you

1:01:42

talk to enough of the NBA people, it's

1:01:44

like, man, I might be able to take

1:01:46

somebody who I know is going

1:01:48

to be the better basketball player is a better

1:01:50

basketball player at that point. And

1:01:52

their floor is much higher. But if

1:01:54

I'm drafting 10 to 15 or

1:01:56

whatever, and then granted, there's a different conversation and weighing

1:01:59

your. risk when it's a higher pick. But

1:02:02

if I'm drafting somebody who like the ceiling

1:02:05

might be at best, the seventh or eighth

1:02:07

guy, you know, maybe he's a starter on

1:02:09

a bad team. But I hit it

1:02:11

with the younger guy where the track record and I haven't

1:02:13

looked at it most recently in the

1:02:15

last couple years, but for years and years when I

1:02:18

look at this stuff, like there was just a greater

1:02:20

rate of success for the younger picks than the higher

1:02:22

picks. So whenever there's a college

1:02:24

basketball player that's had some seasoning, and then

1:02:26

he comes into the league and he has

1:02:28

success, it's like, oh, you know, these guys

1:02:30

are obsessed with these international guys and these

1:02:32

young guys and these raw guys. And it's

1:02:34

like, yeah, they are. They are. They've

1:02:36

only got so many roster spots, free agency

1:02:39

is almost impossible for most of the franchises.

1:02:41

Trades are convoluted. The players have, they're gonna

1:02:43

have less power with the new CPA they

1:02:45

did in the past, at least landing where

1:02:48

they want to land all the time, as we've had for like

1:02:50

10 years. But that's why

1:02:52

teams go yet, like, I can't be in the

1:02:55

business of rounding out my bench. I have

1:02:57

to be in the business of getting the

1:02:59

highest ceiling guys, knowing that I might be

1:03:01

screwing this up. You know, so if

1:03:04

I hit on them, it's worth it. Right.

1:03:06

And so I'll take the criticism, but you

1:03:08

know, for, for every successful college guy, there's

1:03:10

a, you know, there's a lot of Tyler

1:03:12

Hansborough's out there where it's like, wait, that

1:03:14

guy wasn't, wasn't good. And

1:03:16

he's almost like, look, nobody, the Tebow

1:03:18

has had one of the most incredible

1:03:20

college careers ever in his

1:03:22

sport, but Hansborough was an absolute stud.

1:03:24

And then you watched him early

1:03:27

on in NBA games. You're like, a lot of this

1:03:29

stuff just isn't going to work for him. So

1:03:31

I never really blamed teams for swinging on the

1:03:33

unknown, knowing how hard it is to add that kind

1:03:36

of talent. All right.

1:03:38

Number three. So the fourth quarterback, we already covered

1:03:40

it with JJ McCarthy. So we've got that. Give

1:03:42

me your outside the first round pick. So he's

1:03:44

not going to go in the first round teams

1:03:47

are going to regret it. Ricky Perisall,

1:03:49

the, the wide receiver from Florida. And

1:03:52

this guy lit it up at the combine,

1:03:54

huh? Like, I mean, he did, but pick

1:03:56

up garbage as well. I'm

1:03:59

telling you. Like even before this, he

1:04:01

was, he was my guy. He, and, and

1:04:03

I don't know, there's like three or four receivers in the

1:04:05

second round that I won't be surprised if they wind up

1:04:07

having better careers than the guys in the first round. We

1:04:09

see it every single year and, and

1:04:11

Pearsall is going to wind up going probably

1:04:14

early second round. He was

1:04:16

the most efficient slot receiver in the

1:04:18

sec and, and made it

1:04:20

one of the most efficient slot receivers in the country.

1:04:22

Okay. He finished

1:04:24

strong. He goes to the senior

1:04:26

bowl. He was clear. Like at the senior bowl, I

1:04:28

love it because at the end of the week you're

1:04:30

like, Oh wait, he's the, he's

1:04:33

the best route runner of the

1:04:35

group. Like he's the guy who can get just

1:04:37

separating it open. His separation is different from everyone

1:04:39

else. And then it's like, yeah, but is, is

1:04:41

he explosive enough to be more than just like

1:04:43

my possession guy, my slot possession guy, right? Ran

1:04:46

a four, four in the 40 yard dash at 6, 189

1:04:48

pounds had a 42 inch vertical at 10 nine broad jump. All

1:04:53

of these things show explosiveness. And you

1:04:55

want to see the number, the sub

1:04:57

seven second number for guys who can

1:04:59

separate to show it. Well, he, it's

1:05:01

not just smarts and crafty and beating

1:05:04

up on, on number three cornerback sometimes

1:05:06

in that nickel situation in college. It's

1:05:08

like, does he have the agility and

1:05:10

the change of direction and body, in

1:05:12

body control. They ran a six nine

1:05:14

or six, six, four, six,

1:05:16

six, four in his, uh, in his three cone

1:05:18

trail. So, uh, you know, you combine

1:05:21

all of those things, the

1:05:23

senior bowl, the senior year, what he does

1:05:25

and then the measurable. I think

1:05:27

that he's going to be a steal for a team in round

1:05:29

two. Yeah. And maybe the catch of the year in college football

1:05:31

as well. Okay. Yeah. Last

1:05:34

one. Um, give me just the pre draft

1:05:36

riser now, Brandon Fisk. He

1:05:39

was a good player. Like I liked

1:05:41

his tape coming into this past year.

1:05:43

He got better as a season one

1:05:45

on Florida, Florida state defensive tackle. He

1:05:48

got better as a season one on just,

1:05:50

he's a three technique, you know, typical

1:05:52

like penetrate explosive. I just love

1:05:54

the guys who were twitchy, you know, like if you're going to

1:05:56

play in that scheme, like the Tampa two, you

1:05:59

know, there's variations, If you're going to be

1:06:01

asked to penetrate on the outside of the guard, get

1:06:03

up the field and just blow the play up, disrupt.

1:06:06

You need a guy who's like his movements are quicker

1:06:08

and you saw at the senior bowl, he

1:06:10

arguably the best player there all week, right?

1:06:13

Blowing plays up one-on-one drills dominant. He was

1:06:15

awesome his senior year and he was even

1:06:18

better late in the year when they really

1:06:20

needed him. Like he got better and better.

1:06:22

And then he goes and the workout he

1:06:24

had, it matched everything that you want to

1:06:26

see because he's not the biggest guy.

1:06:28

So damn, he's better be explosive. And

1:06:31

he ran it for seven, eight in his a

1:06:33

40 yard dash. He had 33

1:06:35

and a half inch vertical. I know

1:06:37

no one cares nine foot nine broad,

1:06:39

but those are great care. Those are

1:06:41

lower body explosive numbers that you're looking

1:06:43

for. I think Brandon fish are coming

1:06:45

in. I think coming into the year,

1:06:47

he was like a third fourth rounder at the end

1:06:49

of the season. He was a, he locked himself into

1:06:51

like maybe early third end of the senior

1:06:54

ball. He's like, this guy's going in the second. He's not

1:06:56

going to get out of the second. It won't shock me

1:06:58

now with all this information. If he winds up late in

1:07:00

the first, that's how much he's done during

1:07:02

this pre draft process to date to help

1:07:05

his stock. You've

1:07:07

helped our stock on all of this stuff, man.

1:07:09

That was incredible. And we'll have you on for

1:07:11

the draft and then we'll probably. Congratulations to you,

1:07:13

man. Congratulations. You're on the channel

1:07:16

now. Big stuff. I mean, who

1:07:18

would have thought was like 20, 20

1:07:20

something years ago, plugging in as a local

1:07:22

Boston radio guy, you would have your own YouTube

1:07:24

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1:07:27

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1:07:31

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Man, not as much regular season left. I was looking

1:09:16

ahead to some of the schedule stuff and all that,

1:09:18

but we have a good one tonight. Phoenix in Denver.

1:09:21

Just looking at some of the regular numbers here. Denver's

1:09:23

favored by nine and a half points in this one.

1:09:26

Really disappointing loss for Phoenix the other night against OKC,

1:09:28

came all the way back. They

1:09:30

could not, as I mentioned in the Tales from the

1:09:32

Couch from the previous game on Sunday night, they could

1:09:34

not stop turning the basketball over.

1:09:36

All right, so last

1:09:38

week, didn't work out. Four legs, though, you

1:09:40

know, trying to find a way to get

1:09:43

value, and at least relatable

1:09:45

ones, you know. Not making one so hard

1:09:47

on the payout that you're like, I don't

1:09:50

even know if that'll happen. Kyle's hit, Serena

1:09:52

and I both, that was brutal.

1:09:55

That was brutal what happened to us. We got early threes

1:09:57

from both of our guys and they just didn't score again.

1:10:00

Yeah for contact you had over be it what over

1:10:02

one and a half for Porzingis three is he it's

1:10:04

one early and then doesn't Hit one the rest of

1:10:06

the game. I had over two and a half for

1:10:09

buddy healed He gets two in the first five minutes

1:10:11

and then it goes over five the rest the game

1:10:13

from three. So good times Yeah, I you know, I

1:10:15

look it up and I'll try to put the work

1:10:17

into what Porzingis had only had one three in Like

1:10:20

the previous 14 games and two or more all the

1:10:22

other ones and then he hits one immediately is watching

1:10:24

the games like Oh cool. We might get it. We

1:10:26

might have get off to the winning side, but Kyle

1:10:29

was the only one who got anything done that week. So

1:10:31

that means the table is yours Kyle We're gonna put together

1:10:33

each of our picks and kind of figure out a fourth

1:10:35

one here And then we'll give you the payout on that

1:10:37

one and it'll be up on Fandula

1:10:39

for you So, all right Kyle you go first.

1:10:41

All right, and this is for nuggets sons, correct?

1:10:43

Yeah, it's that helps. Yeah. All right Okay, I

1:10:46

got KCP under ten and

1:10:49

a half points I went to the Lakers Nuggets game

1:10:51

and I just imagine he didn't play but maybe that's

1:10:53

what's informing my decision here I could not find a

1:10:55

stat line form. So I imagine he didn't play out

1:10:57

there. Yeah so Who

1:11:00

knows? I guess we're

1:11:02

just going with vibes again And the

1:11:04

vibes are good vibes are good. So under

1:11:06

ten and a half points from KCP. I

1:11:09

like it. I mean ago Yeah,

1:11:11

I'm just now I got a double check injury reports, but

1:11:13

go ahead I'm gonna take Aaron Gordon

1:11:15

six plus rebounds He averages about six rebounds

1:11:17

a game sons are in middle of the

1:11:20

road team and rebounding and yokas can't do

1:11:22

everything I kind of liked him or Michael

1:11:24

Porter jr. But the odds were better for Gordon. So I'll go

1:11:26

Gordon All right. I was

1:11:29

trying to find an easy yokach number here

1:11:31

to record six plus assists. He's minus 1450

1:11:34

Not great value there. Not gonna pop up.

1:11:37

Yep. Nope. So Eight

1:11:40

plus assists. Yoke it just minus

1:11:42

300. So put that one in the old

1:11:44

blender sorority And what do you think the fourth one should be?

1:11:47

Do nuggets money line there? I'm gonna

1:11:49

get my favorite. They've been on fire lately Yeah, so if

1:11:51

we did that that's plus 343. That's a decent path Plus

1:11:55

343. Alright, so in review

1:11:57

sorority the bet is KCP

1:12:00

under 10 and a half Aaron

1:12:02

Gordon six plus rebounds Nikhil

1:12:04

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It's funny because now that we're doing this on the

1:14:10

YouTube channel I Know

1:14:13

why everybody people get really freaked out

1:14:15

Kyle about the length of the Ben

1:14:17

Affleck intro Because it seems like whoever's

1:14:19

editing like two people or just use

1:14:21

whatever file they use I

1:14:23

never realized it was that big of an issue, but I like that people

1:14:25

are paying attention Which is

1:14:27

just a credit to everybody good sign people are talking

1:14:30

Do you have a scar for this? Yeah, what's on

1:14:32

here? What are we talking about? You

1:14:34

got a red star font. Oh, no. No, that's right.

1:14:36

John's gear. What are you talking about big game to

1:14:38

Paul? We're the first first floor

1:14:40

out right now. This is I mean, whatever

1:14:42

we let's go Yeah, I

1:14:45

love it. It's a we now. Is it

1:14:47

only because of the chino? I don't know I didn't really

1:14:49

have a like I do a college basketball pot I went

1:14:51

to pot stand, you know not making a ton of headlines

1:14:53

there So I was like, I guess I just don't do

1:14:55

it and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do

1:14:58

it. Let's get it on the ground floor The Rick taters

1:15:00

back everyone loves a comeback story. It's New York basketball. It's

1:15:02

just it's it made too much sense not

1:15:04

to do it I love it. I just want to hear you next

1:15:07

time you just frolic room just screaming. We are st.

1:15:09

John's But you need a little pause. We are New

1:15:11

York basketball. It's the new slogan Well, you

1:15:13

got a live show coming up right with one

1:15:15

shining pod. Yeah Yeah,

1:15:18

Durham on Thursday. Should you wear a white suit to

1:15:20

that in honor of Rick patina? I know that's nothing

1:15:22

to do with UNC or Duke, but the

1:15:24

show open a white suit. I kind of like that idea I

1:15:26

got a couple Tommy Bahamas dry clean So I think I would

1:15:28

I would kick myself if I wasted that but I mean I

1:15:30

go to you I could keep them in the closet They

1:15:34

did a live show from Durham Yeah,

1:15:36

it's awesome You're not on that

1:15:38

deck. Yeah. Yeah, so what's the top of

1:15:40

the top of the hill or something? You know, what's funny is

1:15:42

and I mean do people are gonna get mad and you guys

1:15:44

are doing the show in Durham but like we

1:15:47

drove through Durham and it's you know, it's like a It's

1:15:49

like a really like sterile kind of place

1:15:52

And Then you go to and then you go to Chapel Hill Chapel

1:15:54

Hill is one of the coolest places that I've ever been. I'm like,

1:15:56

how do you like I know Duke is has the prestige on this

1:15:58

stuff. A Chapel Hill was so freakin' cool! The i'm like man who

1:16:00

goes to i could wouldn't wanna go school year. I.

1:16:03

Went to do. Later. That trip

1:16:05

on my own. Soccer.

1:16:08

And. I. Was determined

1:16:10

to try to get into Cameron. yeah, sounds

1:16:12

like walking around like probably figure out a

1:16:14

way like talk my way in here little

1:16:16

bit and I caught one of the players.

1:16:18

And I was like hey, This. Is

1:16:20

like. You. To know more of a weird

1:16:23

as get our videos of hoping there might have

1:16:25

been like oh yeah because of that whereas with

1:16:27

canal. And. Of.

1:16:29

Like I just would would love to. Just

1:16:31

can't even see the inside. And

1:16:34

he was just too much. I can't

1:16:36

do that again. Or yet. I'm. right?

1:16:39

Yeah sorry I would have said no to me

1:16:41

to if I were on the T. Your dice

1:16:43

little isn't been not just some guy. Okay I

1:16:46

like try to you tube channel. I will have

1:16:48

a you tube channel at some point. My teacher.

1:16:51

I was trying to hint that. Not.

1:16:54

Just some guides status.

1:16:56

But. It's probably worse. Hinting

1:16:58

it's not just some guy when you're

1:17:00

definitely not a guy. You. Know

1:17:03

so it looked know. Well.

1:17:05

Trained down there, so do security.

1:17:07

They're. Looking out for it. For the record that we

1:17:10

that was the ceiling of the rift aim at all the

1:17:12

story Multiple times we were at the ceiling is the roof

1:17:14

game a view and I was sitting next to each other.

1:17:16

Day it was there South Update: what have you and see. And.

1:17:19

We didn't have cell service in the in the arena

1:17:21

any what? I was the heading of the halftime show

1:17:23

right or something. We're honoring him at half time and

1:17:25

he said like our the ceiling is the roof and

1:17:28

you and I dislike with each other and everyone else

1:17:30

rabbits was like what the hell's what ceiling is the

1:17:32

root We had internet access to a real I like

1:17:34

how. Much. It took off as like

1:17:36

a you know a thing online until we got out

1:17:38

and million hours later and saw that it was like

1:17:40

the suit. Mean think so? Yeah, I tell bottom. I

1:17:43

get those feelings. The rift in. My. Favorite

1:17:45

part is Roy Williams was get shots up

1:17:47

yeah and then right is Roy oppose us.

1:17:49

right? told me at the combine once

1:17:51

like i'm walking through the combine in chicago

1:17:54

and roy williams stops me and i hadn't

1:17:56

we probably had him on a phone or

1:17:58

a couple times over the years ESPN but

1:18:00

it wasn't like I was you know, like

1:18:02

text buddies with him and he

1:18:04

had told me he's like Ryan come up here I was

1:18:07

like, all right. It's kind of cool because I had knee

1:18:09

surgery this year because I watched I've watched

1:18:11

you in van Pelt for years But I watched

1:18:13

you and Danny every day this year because I

1:18:15

was just recovering from my need, you know And

1:18:17

I was like, oh man, that's really cool So

1:18:19

then I hit him up and then I think it was

1:18:21

Shawn May too and I was like, hey we're coming by

1:18:23

I'm like, I know this is a huge ask but is

1:18:26

there any way and Roy's like, yeah, no

1:18:28

problem Rack of balls are over there

1:18:30

like came over said. Hello. He's like do whatever you

1:18:32

want and then right

1:18:34

out of central casting Roy

1:18:36

leaves the Junior

1:18:40

IP coach she comes over and

1:18:43

she's like, what are you doing? What

1:18:46

are you doing? It's like

1:18:48

getting shots up, you know, and

1:18:50

she's like, you can't I was like, yeah Roy said it was fine.

1:18:53

Oh, yeah Sure. He did That

1:18:56

it was like Okay, never

1:18:58

mind Like this one

1:19:00

time I was working out at Oregon's football simply

1:19:02

actually wasn't just a football facility it might have

1:19:05

been before the whatever the most recent expansion was

1:19:07

but chip was still there and I

1:19:09

was like, can I get a workout in over here?

1:19:11

I'm up here for four days again No problem. So

1:19:13

I worked out but it was like the same day

1:19:15

as the female tumbling team. So their

1:19:18

coach comes. Yeah Live

1:19:21

so you gotta be careful And

1:19:23

I'm older and you're just making sure

1:19:26

you're like don't even like Focus

1:19:29

on the mirror your mirror focus on

1:19:32

the weights, you know Right

1:19:35

exactly, you know felt

1:19:37

like a pledge being like don't look in my eyes

1:19:39

So I'm sitting there and then a big tumbling coach

1:19:42

comes over. He's like, what are you? Who are you?

1:19:44

What are you doing here? And I was like, um

1:19:46

chip said it was fine. And then he laughed He was

1:19:49

like, that's a good way to be able to do anything

1:19:51

here. Just say chip said it was fine I

1:19:53

mean, those stories started out sounding really cool. And

1:19:55

then the not so cool. I Was

1:19:58

like, oh, yeah, he's getting shots up at UNC

1:20:00

and he's working out and then people are just coming up

1:20:03

to you like, who the fuck are you, man? Anyway,

1:20:06

good story. Well, I don't kinda

1:20:09

dump it on the stories out of the gate there

1:20:11

a little bit. Yeah, damn. That's all right, so let's

1:20:14

get to some emails here. All right, is my wife

1:20:16

being selfish? I

1:20:20

don't know if I wanna read this one. All right,

1:20:23

false alarm. That one's tabbed though, all right. Oh, this

1:20:25

is what I wanted to do because I thought wife,

1:20:27

I thought woman. I'm

1:20:30

a woman who's not a big listener of your show

1:20:33

for the YouTube audience that maybe knew here. We

1:20:35

celebrate these. I do not have

1:20:37

a basketball comparison for you, but I love Shakira and

1:20:40

she's from the same town I'm from in

1:20:42

Columbia. So maybe her or

1:20:44

Edgar Renteria. That's

1:20:47

a pretty, I don't know

1:20:49

that we've ever had somebody offer up a

1:20:51

comp that is that wide range, Shakira and

1:20:54

Edgar Renteria. All right,

1:20:56

my question is about my husband's upcoming birthday. He

1:20:58

says that all he wants for his birthday is

1:21:00

to be mean and bully me all day. Nothing

1:21:03

too intense, just yell at me and throw soft items

1:21:06

like water up clothes at me for the day. He

1:21:08

says it'll be kind of like a Dick's Last Resort

1:21:10

situation, but I don't know what that means. On

1:21:12

the one hand, I don't wanna get bullied all day, but

1:21:15

on the other hand, this is possibly the easiest birthday gift

1:21:17

ever. Is this a red flag against my husband or should

1:21:19

I bite the bullet for his birthday this

1:21:21

year? I defer to the married guys. Is

1:21:24

this a precursor to other things? Like

1:21:26

what are we talking a little

1:21:28

role playing here? What is this? It sounds

1:21:30

pretty cheap and he

1:21:32

can't return it. It sounds like it might

1:21:34

be a Pandora's box situation and things can

1:21:36

only get weirder from here. I'm

1:21:39

very close to my wife. If this was my fantasy, I

1:21:41

wouldn't let her know. I

1:21:44

don't know. There's nothing overtly like terrible

1:21:46

about it, but I don't think the

1:21:48

signs are good. Definitely a couple of

1:21:50

red flags probably. I

1:21:53

don't know. If this is how I felt

1:21:55

deep down, it would just stay there bottled up. Yeah,

1:21:58

I always think about this, like obviously as a married guy. I've

1:22:00

been married for five plus years. There are, you know, people

1:22:02

say, oh, you know, there are no secrets in our relationships.

1:22:04

And you know, we're open. There's like, I'm a, I feel

1:22:06

like I'm a pretty good dude. They're absolutely secrets. I don't

1:22:08

let the full, I don't want a hundred percent of the

1:22:10

weird come out at me all the time. You know, like

1:22:12

you gotta, you still have to like kind of bottle some

1:22:14

of that up, or else you're gonna scare it off still.

1:22:16

Like it's not, I don't know. Like,

1:22:18

so this, this to me is a little bit of a red flag.

1:22:20

I'd be a little bit nervous. I would, I'm with Kyle, wouldn't share

1:22:22

that information, but you know, maybe you're gonna be able to

1:22:24

roll with the punches. Yeah, I mean,

1:22:27

you're like your role player, mostly Harry

1:22:29

Potter stuff, right? And you still have that on. This

1:22:31

is because I saw this in the chat. This is because of what

1:22:33

I'm wearing. Oh, is that what's going on

1:22:35

in the chat right now? Somebody said it looked like I went to

1:22:37

Gryffindor. The chat is incredible, by the

1:22:39

way. Shouts out to the people from the chat. They

1:22:42

want to know if I've seen Dune yet, I have not. But yeah,

1:22:44

I saw somebody asked if I was in Gryffindor. I'm

1:22:46

not. You would have been though. You would have

1:22:48

been 30. And now I'm Ravenclaw, Ravenclaw dude.

1:22:51

Is that the clothing brand?

1:22:53

Are you back in with them? Well,

1:22:55

I think we're wondering if you're the reason why

1:22:57

we've seen such a spike in Abercrombie, right? Well,

1:23:00

right after I met you down the

1:23:02

pod, it came out that, you know,

1:23:04

they're up however many hundreds of percent. And I just

1:23:06

said they're back. This is not an Abercrombie number. This

1:23:08

is a J. Crew number, which I know is pretty

1:23:10

basic. But yeah, no,

1:23:12

I guess. Was that sales or was it like a

1:23:15

GameStop situation? No, they've given

1:23:17

it a total rebrand. They've already

1:23:19

called it. Yeah, really good.

1:23:22

We're gonna have Josh Brown on again to talk finances.

1:23:25

We don't need you, dude. We got Saruti. You

1:23:27

had the Abercrombie call. And your home for

1:23:29

stock tips. Honestly, yeah, I mean, good

1:23:32

luck Jim Kramer topping that call in 24. All

1:23:36

right, let's get to some other ones. We just like to

1:23:38

have the women chime in when we can. So maybe this

1:23:40

is your first one. All right, this is a good one.

1:23:42

Nice. College take home quiz snitch,

1:23:44

5.9, 165. This

1:23:46

past fall semester, I transferred to my state's big university

1:23:48

as a junior. I transferred to community college. So keep

1:23:50

in mind, I didn't start out with a fun typical

1:23:52

college experience, but you know what you did? You

1:23:55

started off where you didn't wanna start. You did the

1:23:57

work, you put in the hours, you got the reps

1:23:59

in. you're where you want to be. All right.

1:24:01

So I know not everybody's path is

1:24:03

insane, but give yourself credit for that. All right.

1:24:06

This campus has dorms for transfer students, which is

1:24:08

where I live my first semester. I know that's

1:24:10

probably not ideal, not loving that, but whatever. I

1:24:12

was lucky enough to get paired with good

1:24:14

roommates. Having friends from my hometown of this

1:24:17

school may transition to this new school. Pretty

1:24:19

flawless. Okay. Actually the rare occasion that this

1:24:21

all works out. I was in an econ

1:24:23

class that was Monday, Wednesday with an optional

1:24:25

Friday morning, first period TA class. What?

1:24:27

Optional Fridays? The only catch at the end

1:24:29

of Wednesday's class, the professor would give the

1:24:31

students a take home quiz that must be

1:24:34

handed to the TA at the Friday

1:24:36

optional class. I met another transfer student in the class who

1:24:38

lived in the same building as me. We'd help each other

1:24:40

out with homework, et cetera. He was also

1:24:42

less likely at finding friends. So being a transfer, uh,

1:24:44

so the first few weekends I'd be at a party

1:24:47

and he would reach out asking if I had any

1:24:49

plans. I honestly knew that he'd be strictly classroom friends

1:24:51

and not outside of school friends, but I still felt

1:24:53

bad that he's a transfer student with not a lot

1:24:55

of friends and had no plans. So I would invite

1:24:58

him to a few parties. I turned

1:25:00

21 halfway through the semester. So now

1:25:02

I was going to be out a lot more on Thursdays.

1:25:04

Yeah, you were one week. I asked

1:25:06

my econ school friend, uh, if I complete the take

1:25:08

home test, can I give it to you on Thursday

1:25:10

and you turn it in on Friday's class? That way

1:25:12

I can go to the bars Thursday night and not

1:25:15

be dying in the classroom tomorrow morning on the Friday

1:25:17

morning. Keep in mind he is in 21 and he

1:25:19

was a hundred percent going to class Friday morning every

1:25:21

week. He agreed the first time I asked a few

1:25:24

weeks later, he agreed again. I was still inviting him

1:25:26

to parties here and there whenever he would reach

1:25:28

out. The third time I asked, he said,

1:25:30

no, when you signed up for the class,

1:25:32

you committed to showing up and handing in

1:25:34

your work. A

1:25:37

kid said that to you at 20

1:25:39

years old. I'm shocked he hasn't

1:25:41

met more people. It's

1:25:45

not like I'm making him do my test. I

1:25:47

was doing it all myself. I wasn't cheating or

1:25:49

doing any extra work since I was bringing the

1:25:51

filled out test to his dorm. I nearly freaked

1:25:53

out on him, but instead simply replied, okay, and

1:25:55

then never texted, talk to him again. That's not

1:25:58

a friend in my eyes. He would occasionally. He

1:26:00

texted on weekends, but no reply for me which

1:26:02

meant no party for him. I wouldn't

1:26:04

sit with him in class anymore He could tell that I

1:26:06

no longer liked him, but he was a

1:26:08

P word and wouldn't agree to turning in my quiz

1:26:10

so I knew So

1:26:12

you'd never even come up to me about it. We were

1:26:14

never really friends So wasn't the biggest deal sometimes I wonder

1:26:16

if I should have just let him hear him out much

1:26:19

of a P word he is sometimes I wonder if I

1:26:21

should have invited him to another party. What

1:26:23

would the fellas have done? uh Well

1:26:27

look Anybody who's 20

1:26:29

is giving you the speech of like you knew

1:26:31

what the class was and what the requirements were

1:26:33

like this is not My world this is not

1:26:35

how it would work You would be banned from

1:26:37

the friend group immediately if you ever did something

1:26:40

like this Like yeah, and he

1:26:42

should have realized that you are more valuable

1:26:44

to him than he is to you I

1:26:46

also think a 21 21 year old college

1:26:48

hangover You

1:26:50

should be able to still get up in the morning and know

1:26:52

and in right you just you're gonna feel good by like 10

1:26:56

However, that's not really the point here. I'm

1:26:58

completely on your side He

1:27:01

completely screwed up the value of

1:27:03

the relationship Because I'm

1:27:05

sure some of your buddies were like who's this is

1:27:07

your econ buddy Like yeah, like

1:27:09

when's he gonna be fun? You know

1:27:11

because it never it didn't sound like you

1:27:13

ever really hit it off enough to the

1:27:15

point Where you still want to be friends

1:27:17

with them afterwards? so punishment and not like

1:27:20

That's a pretty severe punishment if you were one

1:27:22

part of his social pipeline and now he doesn't really

1:27:25

even have it I don't think you have to work

1:27:27

them over verbally on top of everything else But I

1:27:29

think you are wired a very weird way if you're

1:27:31

a 20 year old guy in college After

1:27:34

you would agree to other times that you would

1:27:36

resent the move so much that you feel like

1:27:38

you're an adult Enough here

1:27:40

to scold another college student. So

1:27:43

yeah, I think even outside of that This

1:27:45

is this is a little bit

1:27:47

normal like my freshman year and then my hiatus

1:27:49

my year after the hiatus year I was like

1:27:51

day trading friends like it was like I was

1:27:53

like, I don't know what's going on I'm just

1:27:55

trying to see like and so maybe after like

1:27:57

a month. I'd be like, yeah, this is not

1:27:59

a happening sorry sorry Bob

1:28:02

I was gonna say Todd but Todd was just

1:28:04

on so that guys but guys still wanted to

1:28:06

hang out I bet with you during your abroad

1:28:08

year but you didn't go abroad well

1:28:12

actually though a lot of those guys came a

1:28:14

lot of those guys left there was like nine

1:28:16

of us a couple got kicked out one transferred

1:28:18

like it was it was actually kind of the

1:28:20

whole crew was like decimated the original nine yeah

1:28:22

it was it was not great and

1:28:24

I graduated my guy doc disappeared we

1:28:26

know we've been over that graduated

1:28:29

from there no how do the

1:28:31

original nine one for nine no

1:28:33

I think I think probably five five actually most of

1:28:35

them graduated just not from there they kind of looked

1:28:37

around was like yeah Potsdam was our safety safety school

1:28:40

too and I was like I think it's I think

1:28:42

it's the one for me and doc was what the

1:28:44

older guy there was yeah yeah yeah he just disappeared

1:28:46

I just

1:28:49

to recapture that whole idea that you hung out

1:28:52

with a 30 year old guy your freshman year

1:28:54

in college I was 17 for the first part

1:28:56

of that year too Kyle

1:28:59

and stay back no free

1:29:01

day care bro I was in there for so

1:29:05

really yeah

1:29:07

I would just

1:29:09

say there's nothing there is nothing we all know somebody it

1:29:11

doesn't have to be in your friend group but have went to

1:29:13

college or school with somebody who is just like the adult like

1:29:15

they want to be the dad of the group and that guy

1:29:17

like that just shouldn't be your personality and like you know maybe

1:29:20

this I get it like maybe this guy's annoyed because like cool

1:29:22

like I have to do this thing that you don't have to

1:29:24

do and I'm just help I would why get out of this

1:29:26

other than like you know maybe go to a couple parties I

1:29:28

would go to but I don't really care that much I just

1:29:32

don't like the personality of a person who's like you know like in

1:29:34

high school it's like oh I want you know I want to be

1:29:36

class mom or I want to be class dad like that that's just

1:29:38

a weird why why do you want to be that person

1:29:40

like you have your entire life to do that yeah don't

1:29:42

get it I remember there was a girl that I kind of

1:29:45

dated in college and I

1:29:47

think it was my fifth year and

1:29:49

at that point I was actually

1:29:51

doing better in school once everybody like once it was like

1:29:54

hey you gotta figure this out but

1:29:56

she had a roommate who

1:29:59

was already like 35 years old. And

1:30:02

we had a class together, I think it was

1:30:04

like an environmental law class, which again, chalk it

1:30:06

up to UVM and being like, would I go

1:30:08

to law school? And be like, nope, and nope.

1:30:11

And she would, I wasn't,

1:30:14

I wouldn't say I was super good in that class,

1:30:16

but I remember we would

1:30:18

just get called on, it was a really small group, it

1:30:20

was a tough class to skip because it was so small.

1:30:24

And if I was getting into like some sort of

1:30:26

answer, I was really suffering. And the funny thing was

1:30:28

when you're younger and you're full of shit, you don't

1:30:30

really realize that everybody else already knows that you're full

1:30:32

of shit. You know, like as if

1:30:34

some 40 year old professor hasn't seen 100 of

1:30:36

you already. And so he's asking me

1:30:38

some question and I'm, I don't have the answer, but

1:30:40

I'm trying my hardest. I'm just going to word him.

1:30:42

If I just say enough words, it might sound like

1:30:44

I know what I'm talking about. And

1:30:47

the roommate who was 21 going on

1:30:49

35, she would turn around

1:30:51

in the class because I always sat in the

1:30:53

back, cool guy wrote, and she would

1:30:56

just shake her head. She'd just shake her head

1:30:58

at me. It's like, look, it's already bad

1:31:00

enough. I'm dying here in front of the actual professor. I

1:31:02

don't know. You're not even a TA and you're

1:31:04

turning around and then revenge

1:31:06

would be, I would end

1:31:09

up stopping by the apartment on

1:31:11

the weekends, usually somewhat late.

1:31:13

And then I would tell the roommate, like your roommate was scolding me

1:31:15

again in there and be like, she hates you. Fair

1:31:19

enough. We talk about it at

1:31:21

breakfast. Yeah. Late

1:31:24

breakfast. Okay. One

1:31:26

more here. All right. This one, I,

1:31:28

I'm frowning on the, the title

1:31:30

of it because I don't like this. I don't

1:31:32

like doing this. You know, people think I'm anti-pets.

1:31:35

I wouldn't want to do that to the pets is

1:31:38

my position. I understand the joy of having a

1:31:40

dog. I understand how some people like cats, the

1:31:42

low maintenance part of the fish part. Look, the

1:31:44

fish thing in the beginning is really, really cool.

1:31:46

Well, what do you got a beta fish

1:31:51

in a bowl? I mean, if you got like

1:31:53

a 20 gallon tank, I mean, that is, that's

1:31:55

an hour green, nasty water, uh,

1:31:58

parts. I don't know. Yeah. All

1:32:00

right parts and the whole thing because I've done

1:32:02

that too and you're right. That's that's an undertaking

1:32:05

I had it its own like Biosphere

1:32:07

going on at one point in the beginning I thought it

1:32:09

was the coolest thing in the world and all this stuff

1:32:12

starts dying a snake escapes your roommates are mad So

1:32:14

yeah, you're right. There's there's opposite ends of the

1:32:16

spectrum on the fish part of it So anyway

1:32:18

the title of this one my roommates and I

1:32:20

were thinking of adopting a dog six four two

1:32:23

ten max bench is probably 250 bit

1:32:25

more in a running recently So it's not 250 is it NBA

1:32:28

comp Antoine Jameson on the Wizards? Oh

1:32:30

a Lot of game a lot

1:32:32

of game there from our guy Tar-Hill. I'll try

1:32:34

to keep it short for the listeners I live

1:32:36

in a small apartment in New York City with

1:32:38

two of my lacrosse teammates from college these guys

1:32:41

party 24 years old we're thinking

1:32:43

about adopting a dog. I've grown up with dogs my whole life

1:32:45

So I know what it takes to care take care of them

1:32:48

I've also been looking forward to getting my own dog

1:32:50

at some point down the line though I wasn't expecting

1:32:52

to be this soon the topic has come up and

1:32:54

oddly enough my roommates have been the ones trying to

1:32:56

Convince me the dog person that we should pull the

1:32:58

trigger and adopt a dog I understand

1:33:00

that I'll be doing majority of the work with a dog

1:33:02

I typically get off work earlier than they do and I understand

1:33:04

what it actually means to have a dog You need to take

1:33:06

care of we all work jobs with fairly long hours though I

1:33:09

work remote one to two days a week and I have a

1:33:11

girlfriend who works remote and can be around when needed Man,

1:33:14

I already don't like a lot of this stuff. We

1:33:16

enjoy going on most that we enjoy going out on

1:33:18

most weekends Wait, you live in

1:33:21

the city you're 24 and you played lacrosse. I

1:33:23

imagine you're in finance as well So yeah,

1:33:25

you probably do go out a decent amount And

1:33:30

I understand I'm okay with the fact that having a dog

1:33:32

around will mean more nights in than we're used to I'm

1:33:34

a huge Dog person would love to have a little guy

1:33:36

around all the time to hang and

1:33:38

bond with I also think it'll be somewhat Fulfilling

1:33:40

for myself to do care about something more than

1:33:42

myself real life lessons here I'm also

1:33:44

aware that we were dumped 24 year olds and

1:33:47

adopting a dog They'll be around for years and years to come

1:33:49

maybe one of the worst ideas we ever had We'd

1:33:51

love some advice in this situation here from three dudes

1:33:53

and know what they're talking about All right. Why don't

1:33:56

you guys go first because you both you have a

1:33:58

dog now, right? Surydhi? I have two dogs Yeah,

1:34:00

I'm a big dog guy. I've got a 65

1:34:03

pound most somber is like a border

1:34:05

collie ish and I've got a wiener

1:34:07

dog Who's also kind of a

1:34:09

mutt but he's mostly wiener dog and he's awesome and he's

1:34:11

the alpha which is pretty funny What his name his

1:34:14

name is moose? Good

1:34:16

name dog name. Yeah, I like moose a

1:34:18

lot. Well when we got him his name was Yuri. I Don't

1:34:22

know if it was like Eastern European or something I don't know and

1:34:24

like the expos man We just kind of found found that a little

1:34:26

bit weird so we changed it to moose and he just you know

1:34:28

He was he was cool from day one But

1:34:30

it's also one of those things where we we got him as like

1:34:32

an older dog. We have no idea where he's band He's from Arkansas.

1:34:35

He was like Roman the streets and then now he's just up in

1:34:37

Connecticut lives the best life So what's the other dogs name? You're

1:34:40

not gonna like this one. It's Mumford Moose

1:34:43

is good. Yep. I think you would

1:34:46

not like that one. Yeah, we have a thousand

1:34:48

nicknames for them We don't ever call them their

1:34:50

actual names, but Anyway,

1:34:52

but a dog officially changed his name How

1:34:55

you trying to use was it? Not

1:34:57

that kid. Well, we got month when he was a

1:34:59

puppy So like that was no I get that part

1:35:01

when I'm talking about moose moose doesn't care All moose

1:35:03

cares about is that he can like lay down and

1:35:06

sleep for 20 hours a day And

1:35:08

although you know, what's crazy about moose is like I

1:35:10

didn't know anything about dachshunds and wiener dogs But they

1:35:12

are like wild hunters. He just caught like three or

1:35:14

four rabbits in our backyard He's got a possum and

1:35:17

he gets super pumped about like brings it to the

1:35:19

porch and it's just like a mangled Car kiss and

1:35:21

you're like hey man, like this is really cool. I

1:35:23

understand like, you know, this is in your DNA But

1:35:26

like you're freaking my wife out

1:35:28

like my wife is just like or if I buy

1:35:30

these animals I keep showing up at our doorstep, but

1:35:32

I'm gonna let him do it by it. I got

1:35:34

sick I'm like, man, this is really cool Cuz you

1:35:36

know, you don't show this too often but you show

1:35:38

those flashes of just like the man like the like

1:35:40

the old-school Canon thing I'm like, you can hop over

1:35:43

an x-pen you think how do you think you'd be

1:35:45

able to hop over something like that? He's

1:35:47

a good athlete, but no and I don't think so. I don't think

1:35:49

so But now

1:35:51

he's a good mix. He's a good mix You

1:35:54

know, so why don't you go first then? Yeah, no, my

1:35:56

thing would be it sounds like your buddies Just want you

1:35:58

to get a dog. That's what it sounds like

1:36:02

could you also turn in their paper to the TA?

1:36:04

That'd be great. Yeah so I you know if you

1:36:06

want to get a dog that's great but this is

1:36:08

gonna be your dog I think the idea here is

1:36:10

like that you are the main person and they could

1:36:12

like have all the benefits of having a dog maybe

1:36:14

they'll do some of the work but like when you

1:36:16

guys move away this is likely gonna be your dog

1:36:18

so do you want a dog or do you not want a

1:36:20

dog because that's what it sounds like to me. Yeah

1:36:23

I mean I would much rather have a dog than rabbits

1:36:25

but honestly if I could have nothing right now I would

1:36:27

show you how many rabbits you got right now. Still five

1:36:29

so that's what I was really curious about the wiener dog