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right, let's do it. Let's talk John T.

2:15

Porter and what is going on with the

2:18

Toronto Raptors' current player.

2:20

He's away from the team right

2:22

now because he's under investigation by

2:24

the NBA following multiple instances of

2:26

betting irregularities over the past several

2:28

months. ESPN with that

2:30

report late last night. So John T.

2:32

Porter, brother of Michael Porter Jr.,

2:34

got hurt a couple times but has been

2:36

playing with the Raptors this season, not a

2:38

ton. If you've watched any Raptors games as

2:40

of late, there could be a guy or two, you're like,

2:43

who's that guy? Well, he's a Raptor

2:45

right now. All right, so let's look at the

2:47

two games in question and then

2:49

we'll run through all of this. The game

2:51

is January 26th where

2:55

there was a lot of action on

2:57

his unders where the prop bets for Porter

2:59

were five and a half points, four and

3:01

a half rebounds, one and a half assists

3:04

and under basically

3:07

half a three. So saying he's going to make zero

3:09

threes. He played four

3:11

minutes and left that game after

3:13

reportedly re-aggravating an eye injury. He

3:15

finished with zero points, three rebounds,

3:17

one assist and zero three pointers

3:19

made. The other game

3:21

was on March 20th where

3:25

he had totals of

3:28

the prop bets at least for seven and a

3:30

half points over under five and a half rebounds

3:32

over under. He played three minutes. He left the

3:34

game with quote an illness and didn't return. Finished

3:37

with zero points, one field

3:39

goal attempt, two rebounds. After

3:41

both of those games, DraftKings

3:44

reported on their daily activity

3:47

that the Porter unders were

3:49

the biggest winners for any

3:51

props in the NBA. So

3:55

the January 26th game where

4:00

He re-aggravated his eye

4:02

injury against the Clippers the

4:05

under three points made That

4:08

was the biggest winner for any prop after

4:12

the 320 game The

4:16

prop bets for Porter the

4:18

unders were the number one moneymaker for

4:21

the night so

4:25

the problem here is That

4:27

Vegas and the people that

4:30

handle the action. They are really

4:32

smart people They are not stupid people

4:35

and the problem for Porter is is that you

4:37

go wait a Guy who?

4:40

99% of NBA fans can't name the only reason you'd

4:42

be able to know who he was you like Oh,

4:44

that's right. Michael Porter Junior's brother was pretty good at

4:46

one point or whatever But I just don't even know

4:49

if one out of a hundred NBA

4:51

fans would know that Porter's on the Raptors that he

4:53

was playing Rotational minutes because the Raptors are tanking and

4:55

they're completely off the radar And

4:57

then on top of it all you're like, okay Like

5:00

why why would you do this if

5:03

these allegations are true when you're a

5:05

two-way player making? $415,000

5:08

and potentially ruining

5:10

your NBA career He

5:13

sat out Monday After

5:16

26 games of the Raptors this season I

5:19

went back and watched the Clippers game on

5:22

the 26th and I watched the

5:24

Sacramento game on March 20th

5:27

It was not hard to do to watch it

5:29

this morning and watch the Porter minutes because there

5:32

weren't many of them So

5:34

the problem is is I'm watching

5:36

them where I

5:40

Already know the story So

5:42

I'm watching Porter looking for things that

5:44

I think are painfully obvious and

5:47

I'll be honest with you I don't know that they were and

5:50

I'm trying to be fair about it because I was

5:52

watching it I'm like, oh what's going on there? It's

5:54

like okay, but you would never be doing this You

5:56

would never be looking for it if you didn't already

5:58

know that these two games specifically Were

6:00

the ones being investigated because against the

6:02

Clippers he's playing away from

6:05

the rim. So he's gonna want He's

6:09

gonna want to make sure that he's not Getting

6:12

a lot of rebounds, but it's like okay,

6:14

but wait a minute. That's not really fair

6:16

because He's in against tice

6:18

and matching tiches minich and in tice plays

6:20

on the perimeter sense a bunch of screens

6:23

It's more of a perimeter players Like he's gonna stand on the

6:25

block the whole time and post up and then porters close to

6:27

the rim to grab some of those rebounds so

6:32

As I watched it I'm like, oh maybe that

6:34

was a one where he kicked

6:36

it out I think the most egregious thing from

6:39

that Clippers game is that when

6:41

Westbrook drives on him Westbrook

6:44

gets his arm into Porter's neck and

6:46

then porters looking the bench as he's

6:49

rubbing his eye All

6:51

right. That was the only thing

6:53

I saw from the Clippers game where I went Okay,

6:55

that looks a little weird. Was he already going? Hey

6:57

the way to guarantee I win these Because

7:00

I can't make it look too bad. I mean because there's

7:02

other plays in both of these games where he's setting the

7:04

screen He's rolling hard. He's looking for the pass I'll

7:07

get to the Sacramento game here second something funny and

7:09

that one happened But that he doesn't

7:11

get hit in the eye by Westbrook and

7:14

then he starts to rub his eye and then he's

7:16

looking back at the bench and He

7:18

still did stay in the game a little bit So that one's

7:20

the one that seems a little bit sketchy But again to my

7:22

original point on it I would have never noticed

7:25

this you would have never noticed any of this stuff unless

7:27

you were looking for it after the ESPN report

7:29

last night The

7:32

Sacramento game This

7:36

is weird because he comes

7:40

in and he's got two rebounds

7:43

Immediately like 17

7:46

seconds in And

7:51

Then I noticed that when

7:54

Toronto lines up for a

7:56

posing free throw Porter

7:58

was on the lane And

8:00

then randomly he wasn't and

8:03

then he was on the lane again So I was

8:05

like why would he ever when he's in there for

8:07

the backup five minutes? why would he ever not be

8:09

lined up for free throws and Then

8:12

he wasn't and then there's a play at the

8:14

end of the quarter Where you

8:16

know he was on way too high of a rebound

8:18

pace because the first 17 seconds He's

8:20

playing in that game. It was just the ball went

8:22

right to him and he had to grab the rebounds

8:24

again if any this is true, but Then

8:27

there's a moment where the clock is about to

8:29

expire for the quarter, but the ball is heading

8:31

to him and He's

8:34

got the rebound, but he kind of

8:36

fumbles it towards shooter Which

8:39

doesn't make any sense the clock goes off So that

8:41

one may not even have been logged and then he

8:43

leaves that game with an illness The most damning part

8:45

is that Vegas got a ton of action on the

8:48

unders from a player almost nobody fucking knows and He

8:51

left both Gangs, so

8:54

if you're watching this stuff and go, ooh, that

8:56

was a weird screen or that's weird. How come

8:58

he didn't help here Why didn't he do that

9:00

the basketball stuff? You would never ever be

9:02

watching this I don't care who you are.

9:04

You would never be watching that going. Hey

9:08

Something's up. It's that he left the games

9:10

and there was action on it. I

9:12

saw a bunch of theories Whether

9:14

it was Porter in the Otani stuff I didn't

9:16

really know what to say because I was like

9:19

this just doesn't make a lot of sense with

9:21

Otani I have more questions that I have answers

9:23

the language barrier adds to all of it as

9:25

well. We were just like we at Best

9:28

Otani is like a good friend who

9:31

paid his buddies gambling debts

9:33

and in

9:35

the middle if that Otani

9:39

Had four and a half million stolen from him

9:42

and at worse. It's basically What

9:45

any baseball fan is arguing on social media

9:47

that hates the Dodgers? Because

9:49

that would be like really unfair because it doesn't

9:51

really make any sense like I saw something with

9:54

Porter where it was arguing that he was sharing these

9:56

because I guess he's kind of like into crypto and

9:59

it's trading and. Here's some stuff. And

10:01

guys are didn't through it all try to find like

10:03

the thing the clue as to the story comes out

10:05

and it's like men all I can. I've.

10:08

Learned from you is that. You.

10:11

Know. You. Would be awful.

10:14

At. Lost and found. You've. Got

10:16

vowed. I'm glad not to treat like there's just.

10:19

People. Wanna be so involved in it after

10:21

the fact? to uncover like the next piece that

10:23

maybe makes them get a ton of attention? Ah,

10:27

And that's where I don't think you're going

10:29

to find the basketball stuff other then. The.

10:32

Painfully obvious. Like wait, They.

10:34

Get all this action randomly. From.

10:36

All these people wanting to see what they could

10:38

bet on the understand he left. Both.

10:40

Of these games So. That.

10:43

Leads perfectly to the next part of his.

10:45

Arm. I've.

10:48

Seen a lot of this in a lot of it is Will

10:50

hate. Everybody's talking about damn

10:53

when know. It's. Legal

10:55

in a on States. Your.

10:57

Favorite Network is doing it. It's in the

10:59

arena. believes have gotten into bed with them

11:01

and. This. Podcast were given out

11:04

a four legged parlay a little bit

11:06

later today. And. That because

11:08

of the heightened awareness and maybe just

11:10

the removal of the stigma of it.

11:13

That. We're going to see more and more of this

11:15

stuff. You go back to Calvin Ridley. Ah,

11:18

To tell you that Iraq. right? I

11:21

can't tell you that you're wrong. Because.

11:25

Ill the whole point of getting the word out

11:27

his try to get more more people. To.

11:29

Do something that is just. A lot

11:31

of fun for some it in this case career

11:34

threatening if you're actually an athlete playing and where

11:36

these leagues knowing that you're doing something you can't

11:38

do. So. I'm sure

11:40

some could listen to this and say about me what

11:42

you're just saying that because of this and I'm like

11:44

what. If you know me, if you listen

11:46

he grinned. We have more more new listeners all the time.

11:49

I'm pretty straightforward with his stuff. In.

11:51

That yeah, There's. Way more

11:53

gambling content right now. Never

11:56

seen anything like. It. But.

11:58

the spread to blame everybody other than

12:00

the person who's the one who ultimately fucks up the

12:02

most, it consistently fascinates

12:05

me. I thought about this when I was reading

12:07

about the story. Do you ever go to

12:09

some tourist attraction somewhere where

12:11

it's like a huge cliff? It's

12:14

a waterfall? Like it's something that's really

12:16

dangerous and everybody gets

12:18

that it's dangerous, but it's awesome to look at. So

12:20

they want to give you some access, but

12:23

they can't give you all the access because

12:25

there's always somebody pushing it and there'll be

12:27

a sign that's like don't jump into this canyon.

12:31

And most of us read that sign and we go who

12:34

the fuck is that sign for? Who

12:38

looks at this and goes and

12:40

it's not the sign for the rest of us, it's

12:42

the sign for the person that

12:45

just is like, well, there's no sign. So maybe

12:47

I'll do this. Or more

12:49

importantly, the sign is for

12:52

the person that if there were no

12:54

sign and they jumped and got

12:56

hurt, they'd be like, well,

12:58

there wasn't a sign. You're

13:01

like, well, so what's

13:03

that mean? Like imagine going to the zoo

13:05

and jumping in the bear cage, getting

13:08

attacked, living, and then blaming

13:10

the zoo. You're like, well, I

13:12

didn't see a sign that said I shouldn't

13:14

go into the bear cage because

13:19

I'd like to think most people understand the difference

13:22

without having to be instructed all

13:24

of the time. But since there's so much

13:26

money just being

13:28

floated around now, I've

13:30

seen just even looking at some of the reaction

13:33

on TV today from the story. It's like, hey,

13:35

man, NBA has a huge problem. Same thing with

13:37

Calvin Ridley. Like there's certain media guys that'd be

13:39

like, oh, the NFL takes all this gambling money,

13:41

but then Calvin Ridley. And it's like, yeah, you're

13:43

right. The same reason Pete Rose is still signing

13:45

fucking autographs across the street in Cooperstown. So

13:51

I can't tell anybody that feels that way

13:54

that you're wrong, but

14:00

I'm just not gonna feel bad when

14:03

the next player Screws

14:06

up and I think another thing to add

14:08

to it is that Just

14:12

because guys are getting caught now does

14:15

it mean they're getting caught now because guys are just

14:17

starting to do it because Gambling

14:19

is at the forefront of content more or

14:22

is it that now? It's

14:25

just way easier to get caught because

14:27

of the tracking Capabilities were in the past

14:29

all sorts of stuff happened that we'll never

14:31

know about The

14:38

sweet 16 is set I just got back

14:40

from Brooklyn for some first round action

14:43

We're gonna welcome in Seth Davis the CBS covers college troops. You

14:45

know who he is also has a sub stack He's got a

14:48

book that's come out. So we get a plug in for that

14:50

as well Okay, we've got the four one

14:52

seeds the four two seeds all still alive So a

14:54

lot of chalk who's the most dangerous

14:56

after the first week? Well, it's gotta

14:58

be Yukon First of all,

15:01

it's great to see you. I thank you for having

15:03

me on. Um, I think it's very underappreciated What

15:05

Dan Hurley is actually doing

15:07

here just to give you some historical

15:10

perspective Ryan. There have been two repeat

15:13

champions Since John Woodens

15:15

teams at UCLA Duke was 91 92

15:19

Florida was 2006 2007 in both cases The

15:24

championship teams returned basically intact maybe

15:26

one guy here or there but

15:28

we basically had the same group

15:31

of players Accomplishing the

15:33

goal which is obviously very difficult to do

15:35

in its own right in this case Dan

15:37

Hurley lost three starters From last

15:40

year's team plus two reserves. So five of

15:42

his top eight scores are gone

15:45

And then you know the ones who

15:47

returned the only one who's playing

15:49

the same role that he played last year

15:51

is his point guard Tristan Newton was like

15:53

we see what Donovan Clingan is doing but

15:56

last season He was a freshman and he

15:58

was a backup to Adama Sanogo who was

16:00

the final four most outstanding players. So

16:02

for Dan Hurley to be in this

16:04

position and regardless

16:07

of where they end up, because the tournament is always

16:09

kind of a crapshoot, you know, they were a four

16:11

seed coming into the tournament last

16:13

year. This team is better

16:15

than last year's team. Certainly

16:17

had a better season coming

16:19

into the tournament as the overall number

16:22

one and looking absolutely dominant

16:24

last week. So, you know, obviously they have four

16:26

games to go, but it's rare

16:28

enough and hard enough to repeat his champs

16:31

for Dan Hurley to do what he does. He was my

16:33

national coach of the year. I didn't

16:35

even have to think twice about it because

16:38

what he's doing is not only extraordinary, but

16:40

historically unprecedented. Yeah, you come. That's

16:42

why I was so impressed with him, whether it's

16:44

the three NBA guys, two guys

16:46

that are in a rotation, and

16:49

then you see them in person, you're like, they can just

16:51

do so many different things. And it's

16:53

not like you've learned about them necessarily at Stetson,

16:55

you just think about the regular season and

16:58

how they look and just how tough they are to match up with

17:00

depending on who they want to be that night. Yeah,

17:02

and they can do it different ways. Like that to

17:05

me is a huge, a huge

17:07

thing. You know, some

17:09

teams like Illinois, they kind of need to beat you 85,

17:11

80. If it's going to be 65, 60,

17:14

which is what Iowa State is going to try to create, it's

17:16

going to be more difficult for them. Auburn, I think

17:19

fell into that a little bit. Yale was able to

17:21

slow them down, but Yale ran with Auburn a lot

17:23

better than I would have anticipated. UConn

17:25

can beat you 55, 50, or it can beat you 95,

17:27

90. And

17:30

that to me is a huge thing. And then

17:32

really just the defensive piece,

17:34

like we've seen certain teams, BYU,

17:39

Kentucky is a great example. You know, it's hard

17:41

to, you can win a game or two by

17:43

just outscoring people, but eventually you're going to have

17:45

a bad shooting night. And then,

17:47

and then where do you go? What's your plan B

17:50

for foul trouble? What's your plan C for bad shooting

17:52

night, foul trouble and injury? That's

17:54

what it takes to win six games. Anyone

17:56

can win, you know, a couple, but

17:59

can you survive? games where you don't

18:01

play well. And I think that's truly what's

18:03

there. I think, you know, Houston has that

18:05

as well. I think Houston can beat you

18:08

different ways. They're obviously an elite defensive team.

18:10

Iowa State is an elite

18:12

defensive team. Tennessee is an elite defensive team.

18:14

Their offense has been quite as good the

18:16

last couple of weeks, but obviously they have

18:18

a dynamic score in golf at the net.

18:20

But you know, UConn's the one team in

18:22

the field. They just don't have a deficiency.

18:24

So it's going to be, it's going to

18:26

take, you know, bad luck. Again,

18:29

injury, foul trouble, illness,

18:32

karma. You know, the only question is, you

18:34

know, that's actually interesting, Ryan. That's my earlier

18:36

point because, you know, it

18:38

being in studio last week with

18:41

Jay Wright and Candace Parker, they talked

18:43

a lot about the burden of being

18:45

the favorite, the burden of having to

18:47

try to repeat and carry that. I

18:50

think the fact that this is such

18:52

a different team, you know, yes,

18:54

UConn won the title last year, but Cam

18:56

Spencer didn't, you know, Stefan Castle

18:59

didn't, you know, Alice Caravan and Donovan

19:01

Clingan. They did, but they kind of had

19:03

different roles. So

19:05

I think just the turnover

19:07

of the roster has kind of

19:09

helped maybe lighten that load a

19:12

little bit. I'm glad Purdue got out

19:14

of the first weekend. And I'm happy for Matt

19:16

Painter to change some of the criticism

19:18

of him. We know that

19:20

E.D.'s double-double and we know

19:22

the three-point shooting is dramatically

19:24

improved from last year. But what's different about

19:26

this group? Well, I just think

19:29

first of all, two things come to

19:31

mind. First of all, being older. So last

19:33

year, they had a freshman backcourt With

19:35

Braden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer. And I think

19:37

the combination of the pressure and just the

19:39

physical toll that the season was taking. Lawyer

19:41

in particular was the best three-point shooter. He

19:44

was really banged up the last few leagues.

19:46

If You look at his shooting numbers, the

19:48

last 10 or 12 games, they were dramatically

19:50

lower than they were before. So It was

19:52

a combination of the pressure and that part

19:55

of it. So those guys are older. I

19:57

think everybody's older. And Then the addition personnel.

20:00

The Wilds Jobs or this is the

20:02

Guy was a a fifth year senior.

20:04

Transferred from Southern Illinois. you give

20:06

them bad athletic the mention ah

20:09

at the to spot that they

20:11

haven't had. A previous

20:13

years and so when they run up

20:15

against Chino they've already very hardy taking

20:17

care of business not at a loss

20:19

of Ram and stayed in the first

20:21

for the Mosley. this is this is

20:23

like vague term on in a few

20:25

now he has. It's interesting, it's almost

20:27

like getting later in the tournament. Works

20:29

to. The games become easier for

20:32

do because the plane things are more.

20:34

Like them, arm and every plate

20:36

gonzaga once and beat men at

20:38

the navigational by tat. So.

20:41

On. But the of Jones is definitely

20:43

big because he gives them a speedy

20:45

guy on the wane older player he's

20:48

you get three points you they had

20:50

seven players. Make. Three point shots

20:52

in their win over Utah State or

20:54

and grew up or freshmen who I

20:56

don't know normally get a whole lot

20:58

of flying thought so. That's

21:01

really what what it's gonna take to be.

21:03

For. Do Ryan is are going to have to

21:05

have a really terrible shooting that we know that

21:07

eat is going to get his twenty intend to

21:09

spiral out of bed. Ah, But

21:12

he can be contained. He can be dealt with they

21:14

gonna do of them without. Bow. Languages

21:16

of. Basically. Impossible leads the

21:18

country in fouls, draw for forty minutes but

21:21

if you're gonna beat for do you can

21:23

have the crowd eighty and of those guys

21:25

mysteries. and they had a couple of spots

21:27

the suit with a mysteries but there haven't

21:30

been. Edit: It. Zagat second half

21:32

against Kansas. Probably on the most impressive things.

21:34

Of the entire weekend, we know that it's

21:36

not the kids. A standard Kansas team with

21:39

their own issues. By give.

21:41

Me some thoughts on the zags. Yellow.

21:43

to dallas are fascinating season i made you

21:45

know we talked about all season long may

21:47

have resolved begin saga story itself is is

21:49

grossly under appreciate that the i want to

21:52

say now it's twenty two and see tournaments

21:54

and or of the first one was was

21:56

ninety nine you do the math to may

21:58

add the be having this twenty two it

22:00

might be 24, I guess, tournaments

22:02

in a row. There's a

22:04

little private Jesuit school in Spokane, Washington out

22:06

of the West Coast Conference, nine straight sweet

22:08

16. So people say, oh, it's only because

22:11

of their conference. They've been to nine straight

22:13

sweet 16. The only schools with longer streets

22:15

are Duke and North Carolina. So

22:17

if you're making that point, you need to not

22:19

be allowed to make any more points. So let's

22:22

start there. But it was interesting because they did

22:24

lose a lot. They lost, obviously, Drew

22:27

Timmy and some other guys. And,

22:29

you know, Mark Pugh always plays

22:31

the hardest non-conference schedule. It's

22:33

how he's built this program. It's just how

22:35

he rolls. And then he brought in

22:38

a couple of transfers. And Ryan Emhart came over

22:40

from great, Graham E. Kate came over from Wyoming.

22:42

And people just assume it's plug and play. And

22:44

it's not, it takes a while. And, you know,

22:47

they're good kids, right? So they don't want to

22:49

come in and start jacking up a bunch of

22:51

shots and dominating. So it really took about half

22:53

the year. By the time Gonzaga kind of found

22:56

its stride, they

22:58

had lost a lot of non-conference games and

23:00

put themselves really behind the eight ball just

23:02

in terms of making the NCAA tournament. Then

23:05

they went in mid February into Rupp Arena

23:07

and they won by two, could

23:09

have easily lost that game, pulled it

23:11

out, won the game. And that gave

23:13

them an important quad one victory. They

23:16

picked up another one where they beat

23:18

St. Mary's and then San Francisco on the road. So that

23:20

put them and then they ended up getting a five seed

23:23

losing, by the way, to St. Mary's in

23:26

the championship game. So they've had kind of

23:28

an interesting journey because the pieces are there.

23:31

The talent is there. You had two

23:34

transfers and then you had a couple of freshmen working

23:36

their way. And then, you know, Anton Watson going from

23:38

a blue guy to it. So it's just been kind

23:40

of interesting watching them and watching Mark Few do his

23:44

thing. And then let's be honest, they were

23:46

fortunate to find a Kansas team that was

23:48

missing its best player and didn't

23:50

have much bench to begin with. And they played

23:53

great. They played great. And

23:55

by the way, they throttled, throttled

23:58

a really good magnesium. team.

24:00

I mean, McNees is, is a

24:02

legit team and Gonzaga

24:05

made them look like a high school basketball team. So

24:07

they're coming in hot. They're coming in hot. And now,

24:09

you know, now they're kind of playing with house

24:11

money. They get to play number one seed Purdue

24:13

and they're ready for it.

24:15

It's going to be a fun game. They have, they definitely have

24:17

the size. The biggest concern

24:19

with Gonzaga is they have zero depth

24:23

in the back court. So they have those two

24:25

guards in them, hard and Nolan Hickman and basically

24:27

no guards off the bench. Those guys got to

24:29

play 40 minutes to, you know, fatigue is

24:31

in quite a factor, but you know, foul trouble

24:33

on those things certainly could be. So should be

24:35

a fun game, but Gonzaga is playing

24:38

with house money at this point, which mentally definitely

24:40

I think works to their benefit. You

24:42

went to take on Alabama, North Carolina

24:44

was actually 20 and three over a

24:46

stretch up until the ACC conference championship

24:48

game lost to NC state NC state,

24:50

by the way, who's been terrific, but

24:52

UNC has the experience. They have the

24:54

age, despite even losing one of their guys

24:57

a couple of years ago. Yeah. I

24:59

mean, you know, look, really, really good teams lose

25:01

games. I mean, that's, that's what happened. That's the

25:03

booty of college basketball. It doesn't knock you out

25:05

of the championship cheese until you're in the NCAA

25:07

tournament. Yeah. North

25:09

Carolina is, is built as a

25:12

great blend of talent and

25:14

experience. You

25:17

know, Armando Baycott is a fifth year senior

25:20

who is just a stud in the

25:22

post. He's a walking double double. And

25:24

then RJ Davis also is a senior,

25:26

had a really interesting season

25:28

and that, you know, Caleb Webb transferred to Arizona.

25:30

It'd be interesting if those two teams end up

25:32

playing each other on Saturday

25:34

out here in LA. But you

25:37

know, it was just one of those things where you

25:40

play a basketball game, right? There's only one basketball,

25:42

you know, and when you have two ball dominant

25:44

guards who need the ball in their hands, it's

25:48

not always going to work, you know, and it didn't

25:50

work. It didn't work, but it worked for

25:52

love in Arizona this year. And it worked for

25:54

RJ Davis. I mean, Armando Baycott

25:56

came into the season as

25:59

a preseason player. the year in the ACC and

26:01

RJ Davis is the guy who ended up winning it.

26:04

And then they brought in a transfer, a

26:06

couple of transfers, but one in particular, Harrison Ingram

26:08

came from Stanford as a junior.

26:10

So he's an upperclassman. He was a

26:13

big time, highly rated recruit who

26:15

went to Stanford for all the reasons why

26:17

you go to a university like Stanford, but

26:20

the basketball part wasn't panning

26:22

out. So he enters the portal. He

26:24

comes to North Carolina and basically

26:26

reinvents himself as Kenneth Farid. I

26:29

mean, he's getting games or he's getting literally 17, 18,

26:31

20 rebounds at a game. And

26:34

that's never been who he was and he

26:36

can score a little bit too. So they're

26:39

very, very well put together basketball team,

26:41

very capable of winning this tournament.

26:44

The other one C. Houston is going to take on Duke. Duke

26:47

was, I thought, very impressive in

26:49

that James Madison matchup, but Houston, I think there's

26:51

a little criticism of how they closed out A&M.

26:54

But who do you have in this one? I

26:56

like Houston. I mean, I

26:59

thought Duke maybe played its best game

27:01

of the season against

27:03

James Madison. And that's a credit to John

27:05

Chire. The same thing happened last year where

27:08

they just kind of got steadily

27:10

better during the season and that's

27:12

him and the staff. And Duke's

27:15

had, we're so used to

27:17

Duke dominating our television screens and of course

27:19

they're on all the time, but they've had

27:21

a, they've generated very little conversation this season

27:23

by their standards because they haven't been good

27:25

enough and they haven't been bad enough. They've

27:27

been ranked all season. So they should be

27:29

like nine and 20 all year. They

27:32

basically beat the teams they're supposed to be.

27:34

And then when they had the chance, you

27:36

know, to beat North Carolina, they were unable

27:38

to do it twice. And

27:42

so they've had a good

27:44

season and they beat two really good

27:46

teams very convincingly. Houston is exactly the

27:48

type of team that has, gives

27:50

teams like Duke problems. We started off talking

27:53

about, you know, younger teams. One

27:55

of the issues with younger players is

27:57

they're not physically as developed as. a

28:00

23, 24 year old guy.

28:02

So Houston's full of those guys.

28:05

They play an absolute, you

28:07

know, physical style game. Tennessee is the team

28:09

that knocked out Duke last year. I remember

28:11

a few years ago when South Carolina went

28:13

to the final four, they knocked off Duke

28:15

early, just five pound in them just

28:18

by physically beating them up. And so Duke's

28:20

going to have to remember that now, you

28:23

know, outside shooting, three point shooting, I always liken it

28:25

to putting in golf. You know, if you're rolling in

28:27

a lot of 15, 20 footers,

28:29

it's going to do wonders for your score. But

28:33

Houston knows this and

28:35

Houston has basically been the best

28:37

Houston, Iowa state have been the best defensive

28:39

teams in college basketball all season. So you

28:42

know, Duke's going to have to be ready for

28:44

a physical battle. Plus, they're a little bit, both

28:46

things actually have injuries from from reserves, but you

28:49

know, Duke lost their six man freshman guard Caleb

28:51

Foster. So John Shire doesn't have much of a

28:53

bench. So any type

28:55

of, you know, foul trouble and certainly injuries

28:57

could be a problem. So Duke's got a

29:00

punches chance. They've got good players, really good

29:03

offensive players, but they're going to have to

29:05

play by far, by far

29:07

their best game of the season to win this

29:09

game. Yeah, like I said, I may have

29:11

been too impressed with Duke because it was James

29:13

Madison, who I just thought was so good athletically

29:15

against Wisconsin. But give

29:17

me the team of all

29:20

of these, like, of the non one seeds or

29:22

whatever, because there's still so many high seeds here that if

29:24

they won the whole thing, it wouldn't be a surprise to

29:26

you. So I

29:29

went with my heart a little bit and thinking Purdue to

29:31

go to the final four, you know, the selection show, I

29:34

have like four minutes to fill out the entire bracket because we

29:36

get the bracket and we have to do the show and have

29:38

to be ready. And I want my picks. I actually think that's

29:40

a pretty good way to do it. But

29:43

you know, upon instinctively, I wanted

29:46

to do it. And then upon reflection,

29:48

Creighton, to me, is

29:50

a very, very dangerous team. I'm

29:53

a big, big free

29:55

throw shooting guy. And

29:57

I remember, you know, sort of growing up reading about

30:00

how Bob Knight emphasized this. So,

30:02

you know, to maximize the foul

30:04

line, you have to do

30:06

three things. Number one, obviously, you have to shoot

30:08

a high percentage, which they do. Number

30:10

two, you have to get to the line a

30:12

lot, which they're not great at, but

30:15

the thing they're best at in the entire country

30:17

is not fouling. And part of it is

30:19

because they have not much of

30:21

a bench. But they also

30:23

have, in Ryan Caulkrenner, a

30:25

seven footer, who's a

30:28

great rim protector who knows how to

30:30

play defense without fouling and is capable

30:32

of going out to the three point

30:34

line and knocking down shots from there.

30:36

So he's a problem. So, you

30:39

know, they are an older, efficient team. You

30:41

know, Baylor Shireman is like a Chris Mullen

30:43

with the deep lefty three point range gets

30:45

a ton of rebounds because he's a big

30:48

guard. They don't have like

30:50

a true play making point guard, but Trey

30:52

Alexander, has had a really

30:54

good second half of the season. So they

30:56

basically have six, maybe six and a half,

30:58

seven guys that they can put out there.

31:01

They got, they got Tennessee in

31:03

the sweet 16 Tennessee, great defensive

31:05

team, great score and Dalton connect.

31:07

They're getting a little bit wobbly on the

31:09

offensive end, maybe a little bit overly reliant

31:11

on connect. No, he scored 40 against Kentucky

31:14

in their final regular season game at home

31:16

and they lost the game. So they're

31:19

in a little bit, be twitched in between

31:21

with him. So obviously got to catch him

31:23

on a bad night. But I just think

31:25

in terms of what they do, they're efficient

31:27

offense or efficient defense, but they don't get a ton

31:29

of steals because they don't want to foul. And the

31:31

fact that they just don't bow. So

31:33

you're not going to get as many. It'd be

31:35

really interesting because this narrative about Zach 80, you

31:38

know, getting so many fouls and

31:40

foul shots, I think he could be, I

31:42

think they could call two or

31:44

three times the number of fouls against TV that

31:46

they do. He gets clobbered every, what are you

31:48

going to do? What are you going to

31:50

do? Fouling is really the only thing. So

31:53

I just think it'd be, you know, the combination of

31:55

the size of call trainer and the fact that they

31:57

don't foul would make them a very dangerous matchup for,

31:59

for. Purdue if they got to that game. Want

32:02

to end on this. We all know Rex Chapman,

32:04

the player, the career after

32:06

the ups and downs. Uh, and you have

32:08

a new book with him. It just

32:10

came out, right? Yeah. About a month,

32:12

three weeks ago. What about this project surprised

32:14

you? Um, I

32:17

think in the end, and I probably shouldn't

32:19

have been Ryan, I was surprised at how

32:21

painful it was for Rex to

32:23

go through this whole process. Um,

32:26

it was painful for him to talk about

32:28

all this stuff. It was

32:30

extremely painful for him down the stretch

32:33

when he was reading the final

32:35

pages. And our editor actually made

32:37

a late audible and switched us to the present tense.

32:40

I had written it in the past tense and he

32:42

said, I think this works better in the present tense

32:44

because now the reader's living in the moment. And when

32:46

Rex was reading those versions of it, it put him

32:48

in the moment. Uh, and then combine

32:51

that with the reality that this thing was about

32:53

to get published and the whole world was about

32:55

to see it. I mean, there would be times

32:57

during the process where the physical, when we got

32:59

to the real rock bottom parts where

33:01

we were supposed to talk and he would touch the back beforehand

33:03

and I just can't do it today. You got to give me

33:05

some time. It just, it just beat him up. And

33:08

then we got close to publication and he really, so

33:10

at one point he kind of disappeared on me and

33:12

I thought, I don't know what was going on. Turns

33:14

out he had to check himself into emergency room because

33:17

he had a severe panic attack. Um,

33:20

and then on the flip side of that, and

33:22

I, I hoped this was, this would happen. I

33:25

expected it to happen, but to actually

33:27

see it happen when the

33:29

book getting published and then him doing a

33:31

million interviews, you know, it's one

33:33

thing to talk about this stuff with a

33:36

therapist once a month, you know, but to

33:38

go into such detail when you're writing it

33:40

and then reading it and then talking about

33:42

it over and over and over and over

33:44

again, revisiting old wounds, creating fresh

33:46

wounds for his family and the people who

33:49

are in the book and might not want

33:51

to be reliving all these experiences that he

33:53

did. I've watched him Ryan

33:55

heal in real time. He

33:59

was sure. I wrote a thing for

34:01

my sub stack when it came out. Rex

34:03

Chapman thinks you're going to hate him. He

34:05

was sure that the world would look

34:07

at this and be like, this guy

34:09

is the dumbest, worst guy, blew $40

34:12

million, wrecked his life, got addicted to

34:14

pills, blah, blah, blah, got arrested. In

34:16

fact, what he's gotten is a lot of grace

34:18

and a lot of love. When

34:21

people look at social media or cable TV or what

34:24

they're watching and they talk about this toxic world we

34:26

live in, that's not the world that I live in.

34:28

I think there's a lot of grace, forgiveness, and love

34:30

in the world. I think there

34:32

are a lot of people who are

34:34

hurting, who experience these feelings and have

34:36

these experiences. So much of us, every

34:38

one of us in some form or

34:40

fashion has been impacted by addiction. So

34:43

for him to be able to tap into

34:46

that and then receive the love of the

34:48

world has been really nice. He'll never be

34:50

all there. I don't know if he'll ever totally

34:52

forgive himself, but I think there's been a lot of

34:54

healing going on with him and I think

34:57

it's really nice. Yeah, it's going to be a whole different

34:59

kind of project you're working on, knowing that you want it

35:01

to be great, but then it's not always

35:03

up to you. Oh, no. When

35:05

I've done, there's not a fourth collaboration I did. At

35:07

the same time I was writing this book, by the

35:09

way, I was writing a book with Sister Jane. So

35:11

a little bit of a different book, a little bit

35:14

of a different tone to the book. Slightly

35:17

different tone in that part. Yeah,

35:19

right. I'm telling you,

35:21

I'm telling you, you have Rex, every other

35:24

word is the F word, and then Sister

35:26

Jane, I had to make sure my wires

35:28

weren't getting crossed there. But I enjoyed this

35:30

enough four collaborations I've done. I want to

35:32

continue to do them. I think they're great.

35:35

They made great stories, a great story. It

35:37

doesn't have to be my story. It's

35:40

just great stories are great stories. And it

35:42

was a really neat project to be a

35:45

part of. And I'm just really gratified

35:47

by the reset. We made the New York

35:50

Times bestseller list, which

35:52

Rex can now add that to

35:54

his resume. So it's been very cool.

35:56

You can check out sethavis.substack.com. And

35:58

the book is... It's hard

36:00

for me to live with me Rex Chapman and Seth

36:02

Davis. All right Thanks for taking some time to talk

36:05

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36:07

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37:24

is also getting ready for

37:26

the NFL Draft. It is

37:28

bow next. What's up? Hey, how are you doing? Thanks

37:30

for having me. This process is Stressful

37:33

because there's the huge unknown But

37:37

when I was younger and I printed this isn't

37:39

as cool as entering the NFL But

37:41

even though it was unknown there was

37:43

a little excitement because it was the

37:46

unknown So what's that like the uncertainty

37:48

of what's next for you in your

37:50

career? You know, I believe that

37:52

ultimately the Lord, you know has that plan for

37:54

our lives in general It's usually

37:56

not in a in our In

37:58

our hands and it's always. The know a to

38:01

somebody else but I do think within

38:03

this process you know that's been the

38:05

biggest difference is that. You. Know eventually

38:07

and be somewhere in it. Was

38:09

takes for me but I think it takes

38:11

some of the pressure off and making the

38:13

perfect decision and you just get to go

38:16

with whoever picks you. What's. Been

38:18

the best part. Honestly, I think

38:20

it's been. Being.

38:22

Able to. Go

38:24

back to you know basic fundamentals and get

38:26

back to you and give back to folks

38:28

and on what. I. Can do from

38:31

for both to get. Bow

38:33

better and in. This. Is a

38:35

strange time to as a smile on. Only

38:37

times I haven't been on a team in

38:40

a while I'm and so on panel on.

38:42

On my own and so I have

38:44

to really focus on myself. And you know,

38:47

really dive into those things that can give

38:49

myself better for the season and or that's

38:51

been the best. Because I've been able

38:53

to find. New areas of improvement.

38:55

I've been able to feel really focus on

38:57

myself over and over and over to get

38:59

those and right. Let's. Go back

39:02

to Auburn. Bonus! How different is that

39:04

guy compared to the guide word? Well.

39:06

As. Same. Guy:

39:08

same toughness, same competitiveness, same.

39:11

You know, I. Haven't necessarily develop

39:13

that much physically either. Like same

39:16

guy, I just think yet. Less

39:19

opportunity and less freedom at auburn

39:21

hair was just gonna. You

39:24

know not as flexible as what are they

39:26

will to be you I got it organ

39:28

and and really use my strengths and and

39:31

got there and perform at a high level

39:33

but as of same time while when when

39:35

we were. Not. Able to do

39:37

that when we had the you know

39:39

really good success I think sometimes is

39:41

for.net an album. We had some really

39:43

good seasons but. I

39:45

think overall that says is just

39:48

something that isn't about people's minds.

39:50

but you know, Fortunately, there's always

39:52

an innocent next and something else

39:55

that goddamn do. And and thank

39:57

goodness that. ah mean or arbor

39:59

mi Whatever however people think whatever

40:01

opinions they have of Auburn. It doesn't define

40:03

who I am Yeah, this

40:06

is me Really trying to figure

40:08

it out because there was the irony of you

40:10

beating Oregon when you were at Auburn and then

40:12

the three years There and you're in the portal

40:14

and I think for a while the portal

40:16

was something that we looked

40:18

down on we're like, all right, well, you know what went

40:20

wrong with that guy and Now

40:23

I think it turns into either something went

40:25

wrong or it's this great opportunity for you

40:28

But is there any part of you that thinks

40:30

back to what you were like and who you

40:32

were as a quarterback Yeah,

40:35

that's the ultimate reason why I did it I

40:37

was thinking about you know, what was best for me

40:39

and my decisions and my development And

40:41

if I wanted to get to where I wanted

40:43

to go You know similar

40:46

to where I am now if I want to get

40:48

to this point or further you know,

40:51

I'll do look in the mirror and make tough

40:53

decisions and Ultimately, it

40:55

was you know Be not being at Auburn

40:57

and that was tough to think about

40:59

because I had always wanted to be at Auburn That's

41:01

where I wanted to have success that's

41:04

where I wanted to have the really

41:06

highs or the really high highs and

41:09

you know have the The

41:11

chance to go out there and succeed for the university

41:13

but at the end of the day I had to

41:15

make a decision for myself and then I

41:18

was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to be

41:20

able to choose Oregon and and It's

41:23

such a special place special program Couldn't

41:26

have picked a better place to go and finish

41:28

school But I think it all

41:30

worked out how it was supposed to work out Were

41:32

you ever close to going somewhere else other than Eugene? I

41:35

wasn't you know, it was very a

41:38

peaceful decision when I was coming out, you know coach

41:40

Dillingham who was my offensive

41:43

coordinator offensive coordinator my freshman year

41:46

Coach landing gave him the OC job. And so they got

41:49

it at the same time when they were coming out here

41:51

and It was just very fitting.

41:53

It was just almost Everything kind

41:55

of fell into place out here at Oregon and the

41:58

only question that I kept asking myself is

42:00

like, is the distance that big of a

42:02

deal? You know, are you going to not

42:05

go to a place so special like Oregon

42:07

just because it's, you know, a couple

42:10

hour plane ride away. So

42:12

once I got over the distance and got

42:14

over how far it was from home and

42:17

that my family maybe wouldn't be able

42:19

to see every game. And it was a simple

42:22

decision and there really wasn't a close

42:24

second. Okay, what's the biggest difference being

42:26

a starter at an SEC school versus being

42:28

a starter out West? Well, that's

42:31

a great question. I've been asked that

42:33

a lot. I would say the difference

42:35

is the, how do

42:38

I put this like the, in a

42:40

sense, the hostility and the, maybe

42:44

the unhealthy pressure that is added

42:46

to, you know, 18 to 22 year olds

42:48

by, you know, outside noise

42:50

and fans, like it's almost like

42:53

a unhealthy obsession in

42:55

the South. We've made it that way kind of,

42:57

I mean, I was that way growing up. I

42:59

thought it was, you know, a life or death

43:01

football. And you move out here

43:03

and you know, you play the game as hard as

43:06

you can and you got great passion for the game.

43:08

And, and, you know, it's just

43:10

a little bit more laid back in a

43:12

way. And it's, it's a lot more like,

43:14

you know, we're proud of the

43:16

person, the, the, you know, person you are

43:18

out there on the field. And like, if

43:20

you give a great effort and if you

43:23

try really hard and, you know, obviously

43:25

we're out there to win. No, nobody goes out

43:27

there to lose and look bad in

43:29

front of a bunch of people. And

43:31

so I think that when, you

43:34

know, if only people knew that

43:36

and understood that, then I think

43:38

it'd be, football would be a

43:40

better, healthier place. But I think that's the

43:42

difference, quite frankly, is the, is

43:45

what is put into college football in the

43:47

South. And then, you know, how out here

43:49

football is just a game and, you know,

43:52

we find the joy in it. That's such

43:54

a great answer because there are people whose

43:57

mood is completely dictated by their teams and

43:59

look sometimes. Sometimes I miss it a little bit, but

44:03

for you, it's getting to move somewhere

44:05

else where it doesn't mean they don't

44:07

have the same level of dedication as a player for

44:09

you or whatever, but it's just living in

44:11

an atmosphere that process the wins and losses differently.

44:15

Was it different just to walk around Auburn's

44:17

campus versus Oregon's campus as the starter? Yes

44:20

and no, but honestly, so when I

44:23

first moved, and it's different

44:25

backstories, you like when I moved out

44:27

to Eugene, nobody really knew who I

44:29

was. It wasn't like I was recruited

44:31

for two years. I mean, I just

44:33

got in the portal signed within two

44:35

weeks, and it wasn't like there was

44:37

a huge following and a fan base.

44:39

Nobody knew who Bo was when I

44:41

moved out here besides, oh, you're the

44:43

guy that beat us your freshman year.

44:46

And yeah, unfortunately, but now I'm a

44:48

party also, so we can let

44:50

that clear. But at Auburn, my dad

44:52

played there, and I was from the South. I

44:54

was an Auburn fan, so everybody

44:56

was a little bit more aware of who I was.

44:58

But after

45:02

last season and when it was going into

45:04

this year and being around this year,

45:07

it was a little bit more familiar territory

45:09

with fans and everybody. And I'm

45:12

not going to say it was ever

45:14

the same because still what you

45:17

develop and build for so long

45:19

at Auburn, and I've been going

45:21

to games for so long, I think there's just

45:23

naturally going to be more people that are

45:25

familiar with me around there.

45:27

But I would say it's very

45:29

close here now. This

45:34

past season, the numbers look fake.

45:37

How is that like statistically

45:39

possible? All right, so how did it all

45:41

come together for you in 23? That's a

45:44

great question. I

45:47

think from a standpoint

45:49

of making the game easier,

45:52

consolidating everything and making it simpler

45:55

to understand and making

45:57

my reads cleaner and understanding each

45:59

play. Um, you know,

46:01

I processed at a very high level this

46:03

year, not saying I didn't process the same

46:05

the past few years, but I just almost

46:07

knew what I was processing this

46:10

time. And I was able to simplify it

46:12

and, you know, not worried about what

46:14

the whole defense is doing, but just maybe pick out

46:16

one player and then he tells you where to go

46:18

with football. And I knew that in the

46:20

past, but didn't necessarily know how to like, you

46:22

know, hone in on, you

46:24

know, that exact, you know,

46:27

topic. It's a

46:29

little bit complicated to explain, but it makes

46:31

sense in my head because I've been able

46:33

to see it as my progression has gone.

46:36

Um, and so my experience has been able

46:38

to really, um, you know, add

46:41

to the processing skills. And I think, um,

46:44

ultimately this year when I was able

46:46

to sit down and watch video, I

46:48

was able to compartmentalize everything and put

46:50

everything in like different boxes. And so,

46:53

um, you know, first and second down

46:55

would be different. Third down would be

46:57

different red zone would be, would be

46:59

different. Shoot yardage, you know, special situations.

47:02

I'd be able to put those in buckets and now they're

47:04

different in my, in my head. So when I

47:06

get there and I get inside the tent, I

47:08

know, well, if it's third down, this guy's going

47:10

to probably bring zero. That's his third down, uh,

47:12

you know, defense in the red zone. So sure

47:14

enough, we, we play Cal, it was either going

47:16

to be, you know, straight zone and they were

47:19

going to drop out and play coverage or they

47:21

were going to bring zero and they brought zero

47:23

to us twice. Um, and we scored two touchdowns.

47:25

So, um, understanding that going into

47:27

the game was a little bit more, um,

47:30

you know, my speed and that's how, you know,

47:32

I understood it and coach Salkin and

47:34

coach Stein, we, we spent so much time

47:36

throughout the week game planning

47:38

and preparing for these moments and these situations

47:40

to where when I went out

47:43

there on Saturday and we're running,

47:45

you know, uh, a special

47:47

play we schemed up, um, and

47:49

they give us a look that we don't like. I knew

47:51

we don't like it because I was in the Tuesday meeting

47:53

that we talked about not liking it, you

47:55

know, for, and why we didn't like it. So, um,

47:58

I was able to process that. and get us into a different

48:01

play and we saved it for the right time and then we'd hit

48:03

come back hit a big play on it because we got got

48:05

it versus what we wanted and when you're

48:07

able to to do that on the field

48:09

while your coaches are on the sideline scheming

48:11

things up trying to put you in the

48:13

best situation you know you two

48:15

working together is going to be you know

48:17

very hard to stop. Coach Stein

48:20

always just put us in the right spots to

48:22

go out there and succeed and if something bad

48:24

happened if something wasn't there then you know I

48:27

had free reign to get us out of the

48:29

play or check something that was better and it

48:31

was all because we had talked about it already

48:33

it wasn't like I was out there just playing

48:35

mad and calling whatever I wanted it was because

48:37

we had schemed this up like this was one

48:39

of our best plays against Sam pressure so if

48:41

we got a different play and we get Sam

48:43

pressure then I was able to get to that certain

48:45

play that was better and then coach Lanning

48:47

gave us I mean all the ability to

48:49

do it all so he wanted us to

48:52

play with that efficiency and he wanted me to have

48:55

that much control and honestly

48:57

that's that's what made us an elite

48:59

offense is because I was

49:01

able to go out there and play at

49:03

a high level and then our guys around me they

49:05

understood why we were doing it they

49:07

started making calls themselves and they started

49:10

communicating different and we were

49:12

just all on the same page when it got to

49:14

Saturday there was very few times to

49:16

where we either didn't know what we

49:18

were doing or wasn't expecting something we

49:21

just were very good at the

49:24

preparing process the preparation

49:26

process and I think

49:28

it showed when we went out there and we played very

49:31

efficiently you know as a whole offense for

49:33

this job I watch all day Saturday

49:35

and obviously I watch a lot on Sunday with

49:37

the NFL but when you

49:40

watch an NFL offense how do

49:42

you see the similarities what

49:44

are the comparisons like as you

49:46

get ready to play the position in the NFL

49:49

well there's not a lot that's entirely different mostly

49:52

because the game is going to the

49:54

same place and mostly everybody's a you

49:56

know pro style spread you know

49:58

that kind of system that's very

50:00

multiple. I think the days of being,

50:03

you know, one dimensional, like, you

50:05

know, only this, only that, those, those are kind

50:07

of over because of the intelligence of the players,

50:10

but any intelligence of the coaches, the coaches have

50:12

been in so many systems now where they are

50:14

able to kind of pick and choose what they

50:16

like out of everything and then

50:18

put it together in offense that succeeds.

50:20

The main difference I'd say is just

50:23

the communication, you

50:25

know, how you interpret the play. So

50:27

in college, you use more signals and

50:29

more variations of getting the

50:31

play in. And then when you get into

50:33

the league, you have the headphone. And

50:36

that's new because ultimately until this year, you

50:38

weren't in college, they finally passed the rule

50:40

in college to where you can use it.

50:42

But up until this year, you were, you

50:44

didn't have any communication. So you never heard

50:46

what the coach was talking about. So I

50:49

think that's going to be different, probably the

50:51

biggest difference just within the two levels.

50:55

But I think the, the, ultimately

50:58

when you figure out, you know, okay, it's just

51:00

going from signals to now audio, when I hear

51:02

it, understand it, boom, can get us into the

51:04

right place. I think the,

51:07

the scheme and,

51:09

you know, the X's and O's part is very

51:11

similar. It just may be a

51:13

little bit different of how you, you get to that point.

51:16

But, you know, ultimately

51:18

that's what I'm excited about. Honestly is

51:20

to see the transition between, you know,

51:22

defenses from college to the pro. You

51:24

hear that, Oh, it's, it's, it's a

51:26

lot different. It's faster, but is

51:30

it faster? Or do we just speed it up in our,

51:32

in our minds? Cause, you

51:34

know, they're out there playing at a fast level,

51:36

but like how much faster they

51:38

actually playing or they just play it a little

51:40

bit better. So that's the things that I'm excited

51:42

to see when I get to the league, because

51:44

of all, that's what you hear about.

51:47

So until you kind of see it for yourself in

51:49

person and you know, you watch video of the league

51:51

and you watch all this kind of stuff and you're

51:53

like, Oh yeah, they're in cover three right here. But

51:56

how like quickly can you process that when

51:58

you're behind center, you know, NFL team.

52:01

I imagine you've gone through the whiteboard process

52:04

with meeting with some of the teams.

52:06

Yeah, yeah, plenty. Did anyone really try to mess

52:08

you up? No, not necessarily. I

52:11

was fortunate went through without, you know, the

52:15

very stern questions that I've heard, you

52:17

know, some stories about, but ultimately

52:20

they just want you to get

52:22

up there and see what you know, see

52:24

what you can retain, see how you react

52:26

to, okay, if you don't know it, you

52:28

know, how does he react and what does

52:30

he do? And I think honestly, they just

52:32

want you to tell like, they want us

52:34

to tell them, like, I don't know, I

52:36

forgot what we called this, but this is what we were doing

52:38

and explain it. And if you

52:41

forgot, you forgot, but at least you know what it is.

52:43

And ultimately during the

52:45

season, you didn't forget it because that's what you

52:47

ran and you executed the play. So they know

52:49

you can remember the play. They

52:51

just want to see how you respond sometimes to

52:54

quick adversity and like, how's he going to react when

52:57

he gets flustered? And so

52:59

you just got to be yourself. And you know,

53:01

if you mess up, you mess up. If you forget

53:03

something, you forget something. And if

53:05

you know something, then explain it, you

53:07

know, at a high level. So that's

53:10

been a fun process, the whiteboard process.

53:13

Are you competitive at all with the other quarterbacks in

53:15

your class? So like, look, let's look at it this

53:17

way. Everybody's got Caleb number one to

53:19

the Bears. So, you know, doesn't

53:21

seem like you're gonna get ahead of him. But are

53:24

you still competitive where you don't want to go

53:26

behind certain guys? Well, I'm competitive.

53:28

But you know, at what point

53:31

do you just tell yourself that no matter

53:33

what I do anyway, competitively, that's not going

53:35

to change. You know, what

53:37

I've shown already on film, if

53:40

I can't do more than that, then it's not gonna

53:42

put me higher than anybody anyway. So there's

53:44

not much that I can I can do

53:46

from a competitive standpoint, that's going to get

53:48

me drafted any higher than these guys. But

53:51

what I am going to be able to

53:53

do, and what I can control is, you

53:55

know, how hard I work now. So we're when

53:57

we play a season in the NFL, you

54:00

know, now who's playing at the top

54:02

of their game, who's playing efficiently, who's playing better.

54:05

That's what you can see. That's what does

54:07

translate. So there's nothing that I can

54:09

do right now to be drafted higher than

54:11

another person. You know, that's already been done.

54:13

They've already honestly made their decisions. They, I

54:16

mean, this stuff is a lot deeper than

54:18

just going out there and playing football. But

54:20

I do think once you start playing football,

54:22

that's when, you know, the competition really sets

54:24

in and that's when you can excel.

54:26

And if you want to be better than somebody,

54:28

then you just outwork them or outperform them or

54:30

you do something, you know, to gain an edge

54:32

over them. And that's

54:34

what makes the game so special is because you have

54:37

to play the game. You have to go out there

54:39

and play the game over and

54:41

over and you got to do it at

54:43

a high level or you're not going to have a

54:45

job for very long. So that's what I'm excited about

54:47

is just getting to the level of getting on a

54:49

team and being able to

54:51

compete with my team against other teams. So

54:54

basically what I take from that is you're not worried except you

54:56

want to go ahead of PENEX. Michael

54:59

from playing him over and over, he has

55:02

deserved, you know, any draft spot that

55:04

he receives because that dude

55:06

can play football. And I respect him a

55:08

lot. I've been able to see him live

55:10

in action three times

55:12

and all three times he has answered the bell and

55:15

he does what he needs to do to go out

55:17

there and win the game. And

55:20

I, you know, have enjoyed getting to know him through

55:22

the process. You know, he's a great dude. I

55:24

respect him a lot. And, you know, he's been through a

55:26

lot of adversity to get to where he's at now. Yeah,

55:29

look, I mean, I like him a lot and I

55:31

don't want you to think that I'm actually messing with

55:33

you and trying to get the clip.

55:36

But I do have to admit, I still can't believe you guys

55:38

lost the rematch. I can't either. But I'm not here to bring

55:40

up bad memories, but it's probably too late. Okay.

55:43

Let's end on this. Was there ever a moment for you

55:46

when you're at Auburn, it's

55:48

not, you know, going to the

55:50

standard that you probably had for yourself others around

55:52

you, you're in the portal, you're, you're

55:54

the new guy. Was there ever a point where you're

55:57

thinking like, maybe

55:59

this isn't going to happen. Maybe I'm not going

56:01

to be an NFL quarterback. Oh, yeah,

56:04

I was believing that the whole

56:06

time. It was early in

56:08

high school to where you figure out, you know,

56:11

man, I can play college football. That's

56:13

actually becoming a little bit of a

56:16

possibility. I

56:18

believe once you start playing in the college game

56:20

or once you start playing well, then

56:22

there's a chance that you could play in the league. So

56:25

there is always a belief in my head that

56:30

I was going to be able to play at

56:33

the base level, but also

56:35

that didn't necessarily, you know, allow

56:39

me to become complacent either. So I was always,

56:41

you know, in a stage of like working

56:43

and growing and getting better. Because like, even if I

56:45

make it to the next level, you know, how good

56:47

am I going to be, you know, there. So I

56:49

was always trying to get better with myself and trying

56:52

to compete against myself and grow and

56:54

be the best person that I

56:56

can possibly be. And then

56:59

when I go out there, you know, on game

57:01

days competing against the other team to be better

57:03

than they are. So, you know, I always believed

57:05

in that. And then

57:07

there was times, you know, definitely throughout the process

57:10

where, you know, you're just getting beat

57:12

down and you just start to question, you know, is

57:15

it me like, and maybe I

57:18

should, you know, reevaluate it. But I

57:20

think ultimately that's, you know, lies from

57:24

lies from Satan and trying to get you out of your you

57:28

know, your process and trying to get you,

57:30

you know, if

57:32

you believe something, if you believe the Lord has

57:35

a plan for your life, then ultimately, there's nobody

57:37

that can, you know, take that away from you.

57:39

And, you know, if you're

57:42

supposed to be in that situation, then he's going

57:44

to put you there. And it's ultimately up to

57:46

you to go out there and, you

57:49

know, finish the job. It's up to you to go out

57:51

there and work hard and maintain that

57:53

goal. But I do think

57:55

that there was, you know, some times that I

57:58

got in my own head and was We know it's thinking

58:01

too much and then it

58:03

always just got back to the field and you

58:05

out there and you play good and everything's fine

58:07

again. So that's been

58:09

a very unique situation

58:13

that's played out because obviously

58:15

I'm in my thoughts a lot and think about

58:17

it a lot. It's been a

58:20

lot of, it's been five years

58:22

and there's a lot that goes

58:24

into it. And, you know, but I always believed

58:26

that I could do it. I always thought that

58:28

eventually I'd make it to this point.

58:30

Just didn't know necessarily how, you know, three years

58:32

ago I was like, you know, when

58:34

I was transferring, I was like, I could just

58:36

try to go to the league now and see

58:39

what happens. But ultimately it would not have been

58:41

the same situation as now. And I think that's

58:43

also kind of crazy because I was, I'm

58:45

the same person, you know, then and now,

58:47

you know, I've changed a little bit, developed

58:49

a little bit, but that's what's crazy is

58:51

how just a few years can change your

58:54

life that much. And what you got there

58:56

and do with your team can change that

58:58

much when ultimately

59:00

there wasn't anything that I did that reinvented

59:02

the wheel. You know, I definitely

59:05

just went out there and played, you know, what I was capable

59:07

of playing and things work out, you

59:09

know, for the best. And I think that's

59:11

what in my mind is just, you

59:13

know, it blows me away because then

59:15

you think about all the guys that maybe didn't have the

59:18

same situation and they could have been first

59:20

or second round guys. And all of

59:22

a sudden they got in a bad situation

59:24

and maybe even went undrafted or late rounds

59:26

and never just developed. So

59:28

I think it's all about the situation you're in

59:30

and, you know, how well

59:33

you can take advantage of it. Well, yeah, right. I

59:35

mean, I know it was only a couple of years ago, but

59:37

there were two really good years.

59:39

So Beau, congrats on coming full

59:41

circle, great college career and

59:44

an unbelievable last season there with the Ducks. So looking

59:46

forward to see where this all shakes out in a

59:48

month. All right. Thanks. Of course, I

59:50

appreciate it a lot. Thank you. The

59:56

Alliance rolls up our

59:58

sleeves for this week. I

1:00:01

want to go with Dallas at Sacramento. Sacramento

1:00:04

has had the toughest schedule. Dallas,

1:00:06

the lighter number of games in the last week, this

1:00:08

is I believe five and seven for Sacramento, both coming

1:00:10

off of back to back. Slightly tougher

1:00:12

challenge for Dallas, having to play at Utah.

1:00:15

And that game was a game until the fourth quarter when they

1:00:17

took over in Sacramento, a bit easier contest

1:00:21

last night at home. So schedule wise,

1:00:23

depends on how you feel about the

1:00:25

games or traveling or the actual opponents

1:00:27

here with this, because Dallas has

1:00:29

played less time. But I'm going to go with

1:00:31

Sacramento, money line

1:00:34

first half. I'm going to go

1:00:37

first half money line Sacramento. And

1:00:39

then because everybody's on these over things, like there's

1:00:41

the same game parlay for this one that I

1:00:43

just saw right now. And this one's five legs,

1:00:45

it's plus 12 23. It's

1:00:49

over, over, over, over, over, over, over. So

1:00:51

let's go the other way boys. Let's start

1:00:53

thinking about unders. Give me under eight and

1:00:55

a half assists for sub-bonus, these average five

1:00:57

and two games. Sacramento leads

1:00:59

the season series two, O'Kyrie did miss

1:01:01

one game. So it's just being home,

1:01:03

even though not as well rested and

1:01:05

trying to think about some unders here,

1:01:07

because I think the overs, everybody

1:01:10

bets the overs on these props. And I think

1:01:13

they're a little jacked up, man. All

1:01:15

right. I like a lot. I've got our

1:01:18

old friend, Daniel Gafford. You guys said some nice words

1:01:21

about him a couple of weeks ago. I've

1:01:23

got him to score 10 or more points.

1:01:26

And when you Google Daniel Gafford

1:01:29

and you see his most recent games, you have to scroll down

1:01:31

before you get to a game where he doesn't score at least

1:01:34

10 or 11 points. So I

1:01:36

think we're using that sound logic. We

1:01:38

are gonna go Daniel Gafford 10 or

1:01:40

more points tonight. All right.

1:01:43

So because both of those, I

1:01:45

mean, Ryze bets are both around even money. Gafford,

1:01:47

I think is what minus 170 or so. So

1:01:51

we're pretty up there already. I'm gonna play this conservative, because again,

1:01:53

we wanna win, we're trying to win this bet. And I'm not

1:01:55

gonna take any crazy chances if we're already high up there. But

1:01:57

I'm gonna give you another over after Ryze just went on his-

1:02:00

What takes a month or? Grand

1:02:02

short, but I'm gonna go to

1:02:04

yearn fox 20 or 20 plus points. He's done

1:02:06

it basically in you know

1:02:09

He I think eight straight games or so he

1:02:11

scored 20. He also has 34 and

1:02:13

30 against the Mavs this year I think it'll be a

1:02:15

high scoring game. I think he he's another guy that I

1:02:17

think gets up for these for these spots So, you

1:02:20

know, hopefully De Montes isn't passing the ball to him,

1:02:23

but I think he's gonna score at least 20 points

1:02:25

So that so if we do Kings first half money

1:02:27

line It's a bonus under eight and a half assists

1:02:29

gafford ten plus points and deer in Fox 20 plus

1:02:31

points. That's plus five twenty two That's a

1:02:33

good payout. You are welcome. Okay, that's

1:02:35

five twenty two big payout. Gonna get back

1:02:38

on the winning side. Good luck You

1:02:40

want details? Bye. I Drive

1:02:42

a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet What's

1:02:45

up? I Have

1:02:48

a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I

1:02:50

have every toy you can possibly imagine and

1:02:52

best of all kids. I am liquid

1:02:56

So now you know what's possible. Let

1:02:58

me tell you what's required. Kyle. Were you a

1:03:00

Huberman guy? Or are you

1:03:02

even more so now? What are you talking about? The

1:03:05

guy the lab guy. Yeah, but what's going on with

1:03:08

it? Did you do something scandal? No,

1:03:10

I mean it apparently it sounds like Somebody

1:03:13

interviewed as X's which I can't fathom

1:03:17

Is like yeah, I'm gonna be right down

1:03:19

the middle on

1:03:21

this You know, especially if

1:03:23

the guy becomes more awesome and

1:03:26

you're in the rearview mirror I'm trying to put this whole town

1:03:28

in my rearview. So It's

1:03:32

just I don't know 48

1:03:35

content Jack Are

1:03:38

we in the crosshairs is what I'm asking you I Sure,

1:03:41

hope not. But I think if we are I'm I'd

1:03:44

be last in the list. So That's

1:03:46

good news for me. I can't wait until

1:03:48

you're jacked. It's gonna be amazing Do

1:03:51

you ever think you're gonna be Jacked? I don't

1:03:53

know I need to need it in the market for a

1:03:55

good gym, buddy But I know like I know the times

1:03:58

don't work out and stuff, but We

1:04:00

got it doesn't know it doesn't happen. It's not only you it

1:04:02

could be anyone you're right But yeah, I just do these definitely

1:04:04

not gonna be about me supports me and stuff like that So

1:04:06

I don't know we'll figure it out But Saruti,

1:04:08

you know, this is a fascinating thing with younger dudes and

1:04:10

you don't even have to be that young But

1:04:13

to have that moment where you're like, you

1:04:15

know what? I'm never gonna do is this

1:04:18

like I'm never Going

1:04:20

to do this from this move forward and

1:04:23

for some it's just I'll never be Jack a

1:04:27

lot of I

1:04:29

I probably I think at 15 I

1:04:32

had that realization and I was cool with it You know,

1:04:34

I'm just saying I'm never gonna be big because I remember

1:04:36

like lifting weights in high school playing football And you know,

1:04:38

I wasn't on creatine. I wasn't on

1:04:41

I wasn't doing protein. I was called

1:04:43

natural food Yeah, all natural state and

1:04:45

well, you know what like some would say I looked like an 11 year

1:04:48

old playing high school football Stanford Steve has

1:04:50

posted that picture before it's not great I feel like

1:04:52

I blossomed I love here, but I I

1:04:54

just knew that I was never gonna be a Jack guy I was

1:04:56

always gonna kind of be skinny guy and I'm kind of skinny fat

1:04:58

guy. So that's just where we are 65

1:05:01

solo tackles senior year you put

1:05:03

the pads on you were that small and slight and

1:05:05

frail and you still put the pads on Through your

1:05:07

I was a great like yeah, I was a

1:05:09

great seven on seven player You take the lines

1:05:11

away your boy was taking passes off left and right

1:05:14

but yeah, as soon as I had hit somebody things

1:05:16

got a little Bit weird, but

1:05:18

I want you guys to do that like to do list of

1:05:21

I I'm pretty sure I'm

1:05:23

never Going to

1:05:25

do this Like I

1:05:27

could say I'm probably never going to Sail

1:05:30

a boat Across the

1:05:32

Atlantic solo, but I'm closer

1:05:34

to it than a lot of people True,

1:05:37

so I can't entirely rule it out

1:05:39

pretty big difference being boating and sailing though, right? Big

1:05:43

difference, you know That's

1:05:45

like it's likely I'm yeah, I'm

1:05:47

not going to but I wouldn't I'm not

1:05:49

convinced yet that I'll definitely not do it

1:05:52

I'm trying to think of what I would what I've given up

1:05:55

on in life I

1:05:58

don't even know if it's given but it's just like a It

1:06:00

could be an instrument. Like Kyle, are you

1:06:02

pretty sure you're never gonna play the keyboards? Oh,

1:06:05

I couldn't say that. I mean, I walked past the keyboard. We

1:06:07

don't know that. I'm flicking it on, for sure. I

1:06:10

actually believe that. I actually believe that. I think saxophone's a

1:06:12

little gross. Anything with reeds. Like I was a clarinet guy

1:06:14

back in the day. I look back on it, it's terrible.

1:06:17

Did you guys go through a guitar? I tried

1:06:19

to teach myself guitar and keyboard in college and

1:06:22

was like, no lessons, I'm just gonna like, and that was

1:06:24

like kinda, YouTube was around, but it wasn't like what it

1:06:26

is now where you can kinda teach yourself stuff. I

1:06:29

think chirpy guitar guy Steve would be perfect. Nah,

1:06:32

yeah, that guy sucks, I'll be honest. That

1:06:34

guy's Steve at the party as an all-timer.

1:06:37

It's for the better that it didn't happen. Some

1:06:39

people can't believe you don't play the guitar. My

1:06:41

juice bag level would've been off the frickin' charts

1:06:44

if I had figured that out. No, but

1:06:46

I taught myself how to play like, three Coldplay songs on the

1:06:48

keyboard, and I was like, I'm the man. And

1:06:50

then I just never, never did it again. And

1:06:52

then I bought an amp and a guitar. Both

1:06:54

hands? Or were you just playing? No, it was

1:06:56

a very simple kinda one-hand situation. Dude,

1:06:59

back then I would've nailed the interstellar theme, though I

1:07:01

don't have that down by now. But

1:07:04

then I bought an amp and a guitar, and I tried to teach

1:07:06

myself how to play guitar, but the biggest holdup was I didn't know

1:07:08

how to tune the guitar, and I didn't really, like

1:07:11

I didn't know, like once it was out of tune, I was

1:07:13

like, damn, I don't wanna bring it to a guy. I feel

1:07:15

like a huge loser. So that thing, that was probably in my

1:07:17

closet for a good decade, and now it

1:07:19

doesn't work. Guys, you're gonna come by, I'm gonna keep playing it,

1:07:21

and be like, ah, I gotta get it tuned. Yeah,

1:07:24

no, just yeah. I couldn't. You

1:07:27

couldn't play a tuning video on YouTube?

1:07:29

I don't know, yeah, I guess I

1:07:31

could've. It was early YouTube then, though,

1:07:34

and things weren't as easy as they are now. The tuning's

1:07:36

rough. I love how his reservation was, I didn't wanna bring

1:07:38

it to a professional, because he would think I didn't know

1:07:40

how to tune it. So I just

1:07:42

never did anything with it. I

1:07:44

don't want him to sucker me into getting a lesson. I

1:07:46

don't, you know, who knows, I wasn't a logical boy there.

1:07:49

I'm trying to learn an instrument in college. I

1:07:52

don't even know how anybody would do

1:07:54

that. A hobby's in college for

1:07:57

most people. Your hobby is not doing

1:07:59

anything. Your hobby is

1:08:01

being unproductive. Actually,

1:08:05

I traded it. So I didn't

1:08:07

even buy that guitar and amp. I traded

1:08:09

it with a buddy. I

1:08:11

got the guitar and the amp for a copy

1:08:13

of MLB 2K7. So,

1:08:16

you know, brand new. That thing was like 60 bucks.

1:08:19

So I wasn't that much in the hole financially.

1:08:21

That's a real trade right there. That's crazy. Yeah.

1:08:24

Oh, it depends on the guitar, but it sounds like you're up.

1:08:26

I think you're up on that one. Okay. Yeah. We're going to

1:08:28

workshop that. Maybe the list of

1:08:31

the list of things you're... It has

1:08:33

to be definitive. I'm never going

1:08:35

to do this. So,

1:08:39

I mean, you could get weird with it, but that's not what we want

1:08:41

to do. All right. Let's read some emails. My

1:08:44

boss said I should take a pay cut.

1:08:46

Should I quit? Hi, guys. Long time. First

1:08:48

time. Five nine. One sixty. Best player comp

1:08:50

is Olympic steeple chase runner who doesn't like

1:08:52

water jumping or wearing tank tops. That said,

1:08:54

I'm not bad at cornhole after two Bud

1:08:56

Light. So, all right. Not

1:08:59

the most athletic guy. We work in

1:09:01

PR communications at a medium sized agency along

1:09:03

the West Coast. I joined in 2020 to

1:09:05

help get relief to renters, farmers, small businesses,

1:09:07

and other people who were totally screwed by

1:09:09

the pandemic. I stayed after the pandemic ended

1:09:11

in 2022 to help build a new city

1:09:14

agency that's dedicated to helping families and small

1:09:16

businesses. The work is rewarding. I like my

1:09:18

work team. I've made my peace with earning

1:09:20

less money than I could as a consultant,

1:09:22

which was my previous work. For context, I

1:09:24

make about one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars

1:09:26

a year. I took a thirty five percent

1:09:28

pay cut when I took the job in 2020. But

1:09:31

this job has an amazing work life balance.

1:09:34

We get twenty one vacation days, twenty one

1:09:36

six days. Twenty

1:09:38

one sick days. Come on.

1:09:40

You got to be chronically ill to need

1:09:42

twenty one six days. Well, for

1:09:44

them to offer them up. But, OK, this

1:09:47

is always the debate on like the personal day

1:09:49

sick day thing. Do you take them? I

1:09:52

don't. I never take a sick day. It's been like eight years. I've never

1:09:54

taken one. So I don't know. I

1:09:56

wouldn't even know what a personal day is like

1:09:58

a match and be like, hey, you know. I don't really

1:10:01

feel like recapping like week 11. I'm just gonna fucking kick

1:10:03

it at the movies I

1:10:06

thought you had to schedule those I didn't think you

1:10:08

could wake up and just know definitely not well some

1:10:10

people treat them that way Yeah, ESPN had a thing

1:10:13

if you weren't on the air where you could

1:10:15

milk the fuck out of it Mm-hmm because

1:10:18

it was like wait this person's never

1:10:20

here and they're like, oh well that

1:10:22

person's on personal days now Like

1:10:24

well, how do you know ahead of time? Like

1:10:26

I'm probably gonna be pretty fucking bummed out next

1:10:28

October second week Just

1:10:31

the heads up. Yeah, let's go ahead and write

1:10:33

it down now all the Fridays

1:10:35

really Yeah

1:10:38

middle canal did that canal took off 13

1:10:40

Fridays in a row at some point. Oh,

1:10:42

I know It was

1:10:44

like the all-time like I felt bad out of no

1:10:46

co-host. That's so tiny too. It's incredible I love them

1:10:48

But but well look when

1:10:50

you're starting a radio show the the bad

1:10:52

thing to do is then not be there

1:10:54

all the time So I had had my

1:10:56

stretch You know because you learn

1:10:58

that the hard way with a van Pelt lesson But

1:11:00

then I mean I felt even bad like being the

1:11:02

co-host Danny, but I call I was like dude What

1:11:05

fuck I was like we have feelings on all the

1:11:07

time now because I'm off in this six-week

1:11:09

stretch He's like dude. I don't know what to tell you now.

1:11:11

I was like you haven't been on a Friday for like three months

1:11:15

He was like, yeah, I don't know. It's weird Doing

1:11:20

like yeah, I can't figure it out

1:11:22

either To get

1:11:24

somebody on that there was somebody I do

1:11:26

remember at ESPN back to your point though There was somebody

1:11:28

who you could almost set

1:11:30

your watch to them taking the day off that

1:11:32

they came back from vacation on So like oh,

1:11:35

hey, yeah, actually I'm just taking a personal day

1:11:37

So it's like you extend your vacation by one

1:11:39

day and the fact that you can just do that

1:11:41

And there's really not much you can do because it's

1:11:43

no those are days that you could use so it's

1:11:45

like yeah They're yeah, right, but it's just

1:11:48

such and and especially in a job It's

1:11:50

one thing if you're in a job where

1:11:53

you can just kind of pick up your own work

1:11:55

the next day But when somebody else has that then

1:11:57

cover for you and cover your shift

1:12:00

Yeah, you should have some young man. Yeah, you

1:12:02

should have a good amount of shame with that

1:12:05

Yeah, you know what's funny is that we're talking

1:12:07

about the I know exactly what happened to now

1:12:09

and had it was completely not his fault I

1:12:11

remember I'll never forget because then I remember being

1:12:13

like oh my god. I can't believe That's

1:12:16

what they think this is and It's

1:12:18

not really his fault. It's just I think for

1:12:21

the kids out there days, right? Yeah,

1:12:24

I'm not gonna get too into it, but he

1:12:27

it worked out for him really well But

1:12:29

my point is is that ah? If

1:12:33

you're if you're a kid one day and you grow up

1:12:35

to be a big-time radio guy You

1:12:38

have to especially in the beginning of a radio show

1:12:40

like everybody should be on as much as you possibly

1:12:42

can Like the first few years like you should be

1:12:44

on it all the time Because

1:12:47

you're trying to build an audience Anyway,

1:12:50

so that was about the longest detour we've taken on one

1:12:52

of these in a while So 21 vacation

1:12:54

days 21 sick days 12 paid

1:12:56

holidays each year Jesus Ah

1:13:00

very little after hours email traffic hallelujah. I

1:13:02

actually get weekends and nights off. So what's

1:13:04

the problem today? I met my manager who's

1:13:07

a good egg works hard to create a good

1:13:09

environment She told me that her boss has looked at

1:13:11

my job rating and feels I am rated too high

1:13:13

in both the seniority level and pay Scale I

1:13:16

was told the intention is to reduce my

1:13:18

pay by 20% and knock me back two

1:13:20

levels out show On

1:13:23

the seniority level I'm told this is justified

1:13:25

because I make more than all but five

1:13:27

other people in my position in city Government

1:13:29

and they've all been on their jobs for at least 15 years I've

1:13:32

been here three and a half years,

1:13:34

but I have 20 years of high-level

1:13:36

experience My boss straight-up told me

1:13:38

this is stupid and she's fought to keep me at my

1:13:40

current level But it is what it is I know what

1:13:42

I have to do tell my manager that if her boss

1:13:44

downgrades my pay and seniority level I

1:13:46

will put in my two weeks in resign What would you

1:13:49

guys do if after three and a half years? It's a

1:13:51

productive work and a team that you enjoy working with your

1:13:53

boss told you that you have to take a big-ass pay

1:13:55

cut All right. Let's examine it from both sides as we

1:13:57

normally do You take all those days

1:14:01

Okay, because if you love the

1:14:03

work-life balance, and there's some people listening to me

1:14:05

like, hey, they're your days. And trust me, there

1:14:07

are plenty of times now when I look back

1:14:09

on it, like when you did the absolute like

1:14:11

most you could do and you said yes to

1:14:13

everything, like you could have said no a bunch

1:14:15

more times and nothing would have really ever changed.

1:14:18

That wasn't my mindset, right? I felt like I

1:14:20

had to prove myself. So if this is a

1:14:22

job where you're

1:14:25

working for a city agency, I think

1:14:27

sometimes these jobs, I don't know

1:14:29

if this is like a publicly funded thing. Like,

1:14:34

hey, man, this is awesome. And I get

1:14:37

all this time off. So I would ask

1:14:39

you if you're using way more time off

1:14:41

than everybody else. And

1:14:43

you may have put you may be incredibly

1:14:45

productive. You may have the background.

1:14:48

But are you putting yourself in a situation where they're going

1:14:51

to mess with you because you're using all these days? I

1:14:53

have no idea. I'm just throwing it out there. I feel

1:14:55

like you wouldn't have mentioned the days at all if he

1:14:57

wasn't using them. Like I wouldn't I feel like he wouldn't

1:14:59

have mentioned it at all. Like who gives a shit if

1:15:02

you're not using them, it's not even really anything worth saying.

1:15:04

So I think you're right there. I think you sniffed out

1:15:06

a little bit of day usage for sure. Yeah,

1:15:09

I mean, it's just it's just tough. If you're in

1:15:11

a field where you're like, man, I bust my ass,

1:15:13

but I, you know, I've

1:15:16

got like five months of travel. And

1:15:21

for some projects, you could argue we have

1:15:23

a busy season, we have a non busy

1:15:25

season. And that's just kind of how it

1:15:27

works. And when I'm working, I'm going crazy.

1:15:29

This does not sound like a seasonal gig.

1:15:31

I think I think we're

1:15:33

all on the same page with that one. So

1:15:37

it may be something

1:15:39

where, as you said, your manager has

1:15:41

your back, that could also be bullshit.

1:15:44

That could be her mo that could be

1:15:46

his a I've been fighting this like crazy for you. And

1:15:48

she's the one in the meeting being like, yeah, let's

1:15:51

be good off this guy pay cut like a pay cut.

1:15:54

If you're kicking ass, doesn't

1:15:57

happen very often. It Just

1:15:59

doesn't. It's. Though are defined like the right

1:16:01

person. So. If.

1:16:04

They offered you this kind of take. And

1:16:07

you figure out work and all these other people. And

1:16:09

they're knocking you down. And you've already admitted that he

1:16:11

took a pay cut to go to kind of the

1:16:13

public side of this now which is I think I

1:16:15

understand this could you city could have made way more

1:16:17

as a consultant for given to figure out what's more

1:16:20

important to you. Is

1:16:22

the work life balance? Most important. Think, as you

1:16:24

mentioned it: don't work weekends, Don't work nights. Not

1:16:26

a lot of emails all the days. So.

1:16:28

You may have the job that is best suited

1:16:30

to you, but you also could be doing it

1:16:32

at a level. Wait, How much

1:16:34

time you take off a good person? everybody else

1:16:36

because if you're taking way more. And.

1:16:38

You may be hearing us talk about this. Be

1:16:40

my gosh, you guys. Iraq, Iran, Iraq, And I'm

1:16:43

I'm admitting I don't have enough information here. But.

1:16:47

I just seen too many times where. There.

1:16:50

Are people who kind of do what they're supposed to

1:16:52

do? Is the people to go above me on. And

1:16:54

then there's people that find a way to rig the

1:16:57

system for themselves as much as they possibly can. And

1:16:59

then when it doesn't work out a little to fuck.

1:17:02

With. The like. Well, He'll eventually it it

1:17:04

may out and I'm not even saying that that applies

1:17:06

you, but I'm just pointing out that you've seen the

1:17:08

like. The freedom that you have.

1:17:10

What if they come back. And

1:17:13

you think. And. You were honest

1:17:15

with yourself and everyone else. like okay, just because

1:17:17

I haven't. I

1:17:19

haven't been here as long. I. Have

1:17:21

to take a to level demotion. With.

1:17:25

A pay cut. The drops you

1:17:27

twenty percent. So.

1:17:30

You've gotta ask yourself this. Does.

1:17:32

You put yourself in a situation. Okay,

1:17:34

maybe a little bit easier to deal with it as

1:17:37

opposed to if you didn't put yourself in situations it's

1:17:39

think it's bullshit and that they're hooking up people that

1:17:41

have been with his agency a lot longer. And.

1:17:43

Then you go a what's the timeline for me

1:17:46

to get back up to level security, back to

1:17:48

the twenty percent you take away from me. If

1:17:50

you don't like that answer than your other answer

1:17:52

is gonna be okay. Whoop! Are you ready to

1:17:54

go back in a consulting. The. Make

1:17:56

all that money. And. sacrifice with sounds

1:17:58

like a schedule that you definitely think is a

1:18:01

priority. So I don't have

1:18:03

an answer other than playing out as many scenarios as I

1:18:05

can think of. Yeah, I'm a

1:18:07

fence-sitter in certain situations, especially like this one

1:18:09

being like kind of my first gig out

1:18:11

of college and like, I don't think

1:18:13

I would just, I wouldn't threaten to throw in my two weeks,

1:18:15

I don't think. I might look around and see what else there

1:18:17

is. For me, like I lived in

1:18:19

the armpit of Hollywood for three years and

1:18:22

every, like I was West Hollywood, now I'm

1:18:24

in Hollywood, it's pretty bad, it's terrible, it's

1:18:26

objectively terrible. And

1:18:28

I just, the idea of moving sucks to me

1:18:30

so much. Like, you gotta

1:18:32

get together like five, six grand, then

1:18:35

you gotta go apartment hunting and you gotta set

1:18:37

aside time to do it. It's easier to just

1:18:39

not. So I think in that situation, I might

1:18:41

be like, damn, that sucks, like

1:18:43

damn, they lit the dumpster on fire again. Well,

1:18:46

what can you do? So I

1:18:49

think me saying like you should totally

1:18:51

go and play the strong arm

1:18:53

them and say like, oh, I'm fucking out of

1:18:55

here, even though that's what, I don't think I

1:18:58

would do it. I could just tell you that

1:19:00

right now. I think you

1:19:02

definitely should not put

1:19:04

your two weeks in right away. There is,

1:19:06

here's the thing though, is there a chance that they're

1:19:08

doing this to you as well? Cause they're hoping that

1:19:10

you quit. Do it after you take vacation. Yeah,

1:19:13

take your, put your 21 days in there and

1:19:16

be like, all right guys, it's been real. Come

1:19:19

back with a parasite, take your 21 sick days too.

1:19:22

I got a dape worm in the jungle, I don't know.

1:19:24

If you ask any questions. The

1:19:26

jungle, didn't you go to, tag

1:19:29

it off. Puerto Rico has a small

1:19:31

raid fort. Pretty sure you were in Sarasota. Is

1:19:34

there a chance that they want you to leave? Like is

1:19:36

there a chance, I mean, seems plausible.

1:19:38

So like if you're, if you're gonna quit, like

1:19:41

I wouldn't quit if that's the case. So maybe,

1:19:43

I don't know, ask around, figure it out. I

1:19:45

would also say when you mentioned Ryan, asking them

1:19:47

about how you can get back up to your

1:19:50

normal level, your current level, that's,

1:19:54

that just sucks. Like why, I just, I don't know

1:19:56

that I want to be in that situation. Like I'd

1:19:58

just rather find another job, but like. I would quit keep

1:20:00

taking the money from them you can do the kind of

1:20:02

quiet quitting thing where you just sort of power down and

1:20:04

like not actually do any work and You

1:20:07

know find another gig I don't know how easy or hard

1:20:09

it would be in your field or your area to do

1:20:11

that But I wouldn't just put your two weeks in because

1:20:13

you're mad because that's kind of that might be

1:20:15

a win for them Yeah, it does

1:20:18

feel like and that's what sucks about this emails

1:20:20

This guy could be like really good at his

1:20:22

job just younger and they're messing with him And

1:20:25

he's listening to us talk about it this long

1:20:27

being like no, no, no, that's not the case

1:20:29

He also may be the guy that is

1:20:31

taking all the he may not be as good as everybody else and

1:20:33

he could be delusional Listening to it saying

1:20:35

no, no, no, this is so we don't we don't know any

1:20:38

of that But I just said the 21

1:20:40

days thing because he wanted us to show like how

1:20:42

good he has the balance thing I don't know that it

1:20:44

was that he was abusing. I could be wrong. That's how

1:20:47

I read it emotions I mean, do they happen often? I

1:20:49

thought like you got the money like Mary

1:20:51

did it like when I was out there We

1:20:54

couldn't stop people from stealing they wanted us to do it

1:20:56

They were like you get like 15% of

1:20:59

whatever you recover, but there was like a two

1:21:01

window situation There's like the doors outside and

1:21:03

then like the small little like Lobby

1:21:05

and then the doors inside and they were like you can't

1:21:08

touch them You can't stop them before they get out the

1:21:10

doors and you can't stop them after they get out the

1:21:12

door So there was this like small window that you had

1:21:14

to grab them in which I would I was like fucking

1:21:16

I don't care But like

1:21:18

I thought like my life on the line But it

1:21:20

was told to me was like once they breach those other

1:21:22

doors like that's their stuff now Like you don't you don't

1:21:25

get involved So I thought like once you get that

1:21:27

money like that's what you make now Even if

1:21:29

you suck even if it's not right like that's the money

1:21:31

he makes now That's what I thought

1:21:33

so I'm like shocked to hear that 20% is

1:21:36

huge, but I guess governments, right? It's government

1:21:38

So maybe the budget slashed and they're

1:21:40

like we can we could fire one of you or

1:21:42

we could demote three of you I don't know maybe

1:21:44

but sometimes you look at government jobs where it's like

1:21:47

cool. I just need to make this forever

1:21:52

I always love to the

1:21:56

Go in and say I'm actually looking for a race I'm

1:21:59

gonna outflank your demotion with

1:22:01

a raised request. I

1:22:05

see your demotion. I

1:22:08

have this awful, awful living

1:22:10

experience when I was in New Jersey for

1:22:12

my six-month stretch bid and

1:22:17

I went to this awful apartment

1:22:19

complex and they

1:22:22

tried to sue me after I

1:22:24

left by just continuing to pay

1:22:26

me or charge me rent but

1:22:28

charge me a short-term floating rent.

1:22:31

It's such a scam. Like a hotel fee or something? It

1:22:33

was so messed up because I was like, all right, I'm

1:22:35

moving out and they were like, well, you need to give

1:22:37

us this much notice. I'm like, yeah, but I signed a

1:22:39

six-month lease that I had to pay because I didn't know

1:22:41

how long I was going to last here and I was

1:22:44

right. My deep down subconscious told

1:22:46

me not to sign a year lease and so

1:22:48

I'm going to leave and they were like, well, you

1:22:50

didn't tell us within the window. I'm like, yeah, but

1:22:53

that doesn't even make any sense because I signed a

1:22:55

six-month lease and you have my deposit and whatever and

1:22:57

they were like, okay, well, that means you're still in

1:22:59

for six more months. I'm like, it definitely doesn't. By

1:23:02

the way, you couldn't talk to this guy in

1:23:04

02. I was uncomfortable. There's nothing.

1:23:07

I even went

1:23:10

back to the U-Haul truck and said, let me

1:23:12

just get some paperwork like the Blues Brothers and

1:23:14

I left. That was it.

1:23:17

I was in the office and I was like, this makes ... I

1:23:19

realized too, it was a lot of foreigners living

1:23:21

in this place. It was the only

1:23:24

place I could afford. I was ... There

1:23:26

were one of the many

1:23:28

English first language people in this

1:23:30

complex and I think what I realized

1:23:32

later on is how dirty they were about all

1:23:34

of their interaction because people were helpless and you

1:23:36

were like, well, I don't want to move. They're

1:23:38

scamming people. Yeah, they're scamming the fuck out of

1:23:41

everybody. That was the other thing too, is they

1:23:43

were doing market rent and it

1:23:45

was almost double what I originally had and I

1:23:47

was like, hey, so if it's market rent, has

1:23:49

it ever gone down? I

1:23:51

was sitting there as I'm leaving. By

1:23:53

the way, if it's a market fluctuating number, I was like,

1:23:55

does it ever go down ever? Oh,

1:23:58

it's never gone down, huh? Oh, they had

1:24:00

all these excuses. So they sent me all

1:24:02

this paperwork and then I went back at them and

1:24:04

was like I actually suing you Yeah,

1:24:14

how the so maybe just going god we spent way

1:24:16

too much time on this All right. Let's just keep

1:24:18

it moving here not we can't say

1:24:20

keep it moving because we've already gone so long Alright

1:24:23

preen up. Good luck man, by the way, six foot

1:24:25

one 214 250 bench 385

1:24:28

deadlift shitty squat was a good d3 cross-country

1:24:31

track runner in college for whatever it's worth It's worth

1:24:33

a lot to me my man a lot.

1:24:36

You suited up you played you played for real

1:24:38

you played you played when it counts I'm

1:24:42

getting married in September to a wonderful woman been

1:24:44

together four years. I have no I don't no

1:24:46

doubt We'll have a long happy marriage that said

1:24:49

I work in the fire service and every other guy

1:24:51

I know has been divorced sometimes more than once tough

1:24:55

schedule on the fire Not

1:24:58

for everybody a lot of time off though in between a

1:25:00

lot of time not off my parents

1:25:02

are divorced It was a pretty nasty one

1:25:04

Needless to say I have a healthy appreciation

1:25:06

for things going wrong with regards to nuptials

1:25:09

while she doesn't find it necessary She's on board

1:25:11

with signing a prenup The document would

1:25:13

cover only my pension secondary retirement account

1:25:15

and investments all of these come from

1:25:17

my own finances and are separate from

1:25:20

our joint bank account house cars, etc

1:25:24

My research tells me that a physical lawyer

1:25:26

will cost more than either of us are

1:25:28

willing to spend We both

1:25:30

found a website called hello prenup

1:25:34

That seems legit. Yeah Did

1:25:38

you get that link to what's prune up Link

1:25:42

you know I divorce attorney comm also they

1:25:45

give you 20% From

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the people that brought you hello keep it

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Keep your shit TV All

1:25:59

right, it seems legit only cost a few

1:26:01

hundred dollars. Would you guys trust something

1:26:03

like this or legal zoom, or

1:26:05

is it best to suck it up and hire an actual lawyer? Uh,

1:26:11

I'm just, either of you guys do a prenup. No,

1:26:13

that's like, that's the poster child of easier said

1:26:15

than done. I mean, and the years leading up

1:26:18

to it, I was like, no

1:26:20

way, no way are they going to get

1:26:22

me, no way, like Bill Burr's comedy

1:26:24

bits and all that stuff. I'm like, yup, he's talking to

1:26:26

me and I'm not going to let it happen. And then

1:26:29

I was like, I don't think Bill Burr was talking to you. He

1:26:32

was totally talking to me. And, uh,

1:26:34

Bill Burr was talking about himself. Okay.

1:26:37

Kyle, is there something I don't know about you?

1:26:40

No. I mean, like when he was talking like his bid on

1:26:42

marriage where he was like, is everyone's like, Oh,

1:26:44

is this the line to lose all my shit? Oh,

1:26:46

look, the line's moving. It's a great fit. And so

1:26:48

like, so all the people who would have bits about

1:26:50

marriage, I'm like, they're so right, they're not going to

1:26:52

catch me. This guy's smart. And then it, then they

1:26:54

run up to it. It's like, there's no way I'm

1:26:56

asking her this question. There's no way I'm telling her

1:26:58

I need a prenup. And I wish

1:27:00

I would need a prenup. I think, I

1:27:03

think the audience is listening right now going, do

1:27:05

you actually need one? Yeah. What are your, I

1:27:08

mean, who doesn't, everyone who's married would want one,

1:27:10

right? Oh, you're saying, I don't, they're only good

1:27:12

for before the month. They're only good

1:27:14

for before the

1:27:16

marriage. If somebody has way more

1:27:19

to lose than the other person, that's really

1:27:21

it. Right. And I don't know,

1:27:23

like my, I don't have one because we're on the

1:27:25

same level, mostly like financially. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I

1:27:28

could also see Saruti being like, all right, whatever.

1:27:31

Just tell me, tell me what we have to do. Uh,

1:27:34

yeah, I think that's how a lot of people, I

1:27:36

don't know. I might've been good

1:27:38

on that road, but I do feel like there's

1:27:40

a, a, a, a part of the population that's

1:27:42

just like, Hey, like I don't want

1:27:44

to screw anybody over here. Can we just amicably

1:27:46

separate? And you know, that's probably what

1:27:48

I would try to do. I did have a buddy who was

1:27:51

in a similar line of work who also

1:27:53

has a pension. And that was a concern of his. It's

1:27:55

not like he doesn't make a trillion dollars. His wife doesn't

1:27:57

make a trillion dollars, but he was worried about the pension.

1:28:00

And they're not even gonna get divorced and he was talking

1:28:02

about it with her and openly and I don't think it

1:28:04

ended up happening Yeah, I think

1:28:06

that makes a lot of sense effects Yeah,

1:28:08

no, I think but I think I'm starting

1:28:10

to understand the rabbit count now because if

1:28:12

it were to ever happen to Kyle He'd just

1:28:15

be like, okay. Well, she's up six rabbits from

1:28:17

the jump. So that means the couch Alright

1:28:21

I got I'll

1:28:24

give you the rabbits. I'll concede on the rap.

1:28:26

I got a stock plan Ryan I thought I

1:28:28

don't need couches and mirrors here Yeah,

1:28:32

you all right. So you've got a you know what you're right. You're right.

1:28:34

So you're right. Okay, so I was 22 Are

1:28:37

you serious? Yeah, dude, that's incredible. All

1:28:39

right, so I didn't know I wouldn't

1:28:42

have thought of you as a 22 year old 401k guy No,

1:28:45

my dad just put the fear of God in me. He was

1:28:47

like, come on, let's be honest You need to take every every

1:28:50

option you've got here. Okay. Well,

1:28:52

then our guys are walking retirement fun You're gonna

1:28:54

be sitting on the beach. Yeah, I love

1:28:56

it All right. So that makes

1:28:58

that makes a little bit more sense. I look I

1:29:01

think that you should have one that

1:29:03

conversation is entirely Dictated

1:29:06

by the personality of your wife, but that's great.

1:29:08

It's not even this is it that's not even

1:29:10

his question He's like, can I use the cheap

1:29:12

one? Like it's not even that's so

1:29:14

great. You're right Is it right? Yeah, should I ask her?

1:29:17

It's like yeah We're wondering if we should use the app

1:29:19

that I've got on my phone to do it I

1:29:21

don't know what happens when you use a

1:29:23

less expensive prenup website versus

1:29:26

the other one but I can't imagine legal zoom is

1:29:29

like Is it gonna

1:29:31

be that? That a

1:29:33

couple hundred senses. Yeah, we did it.

1:29:35

We did legal zoom. I imagine they're they're decent,

1:29:38

right? We did a couple ads for them way back. Yeah,

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you could have some promo codes that are still hanging out

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love Got different spellings

1:29:46

of Ryan the entire time It

1:29:49

sounds like you're there about it. I'm way

1:29:52

too trusting though And I would just be like can we just

1:29:54

if we ever decided that we were gonna get divorced Could we

1:29:56

just not be assholes about it? And I know that's how people

1:29:58

get in trouble and that's why people have prenups But

1:30:00

it's like, I don't know, like, it's not

1:30:03

gonna happen. I'm happily married, you

1:30:05

know, things are great. But if we ever did split up, I

1:30:07

honestly think I could have a reasonable conversation with my wife and

1:30:09

be like, can we just, can we just, we

1:30:11

can figure this out, right? So you two

1:30:13

might be able to. All right, but there's a long

1:30:15

list of assets. No,

1:30:17

I think it's about peace of mind and retirement

1:30:19

stuff. And that's why I'm with the sober Kyle,

1:30:22

because now I understand cause portfolio

1:30:24

a little bit better. This guy, you know,

1:30:26

I love it. That raises Kyle Stockus to the

1:30:28

roof. You're a 52 week high in my book

1:30:30

today. I didn't know. I didn't know that

1:30:33

you were thinking about this stuff that far out. So I'm proud

1:30:35

of you. And now it makes sense because you have an asset

1:30:37

that you want to protect, but you didn't because

1:30:40

you're afraid of arguing with your wife. But

1:30:43

just Rudy's point, the whole let's

1:30:45

be reasonable about it. Yeah, everybody's

1:30:47

reasonable. And so they get the

1:30:49

first letter from the spouse's lawyer

1:30:52

that starts writing up all sorts of bullshit

1:30:54

that didn't happen. And you're

1:30:56

like, I don't even know who this person is anymore. And then

1:30:59

all of a sudden the custody battle

1:31:01

ends up becoming, you would hope about the

1:31:03

kid. But unfortunately a lot

1:31:05

of time the custody battle becomes the

1:31:07

fucking alimony payment. Right?

1:31:10

I'll start with the house. Yeah. No,

1:31:13

it becomes like, Oh, well yeah, but I want full

1:31:15

custody or I want this or I want that. And

1:31:18

you're like, is it because you don't want me to see my

1:31:20

kid or is it because you and

1:31:22

your lawyer want that fucking number

1:31:24

to be higher? And unfortunately,

1:31:26

I think I have way too much

1:31:29

experience with that. Despite not being

1:31:32

divorced myself. All right. Uh,

1:31:36

covered a lot. Good luck.

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thanks to 401k Kyle. Thanks

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