0:12

today's podcast Andre Iguodala. We're talking playoff game,

0:14

tie game. Who do you want to have

0:16

the ball in their hands? His answer is

0:18

going to surprise you. We'll talk a little

0:20

step, talk to warriors, talk to his career.

0:23

We're also going to go over some questions,

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including looking at some three-year players in. Who

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are you worried about? Also LeBron contract after

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an incredible comeback last night and we've got

0:32

life advice and the same game par like

0:34

Nick's warriors. Fresh

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off more live basketball last night in

0:43

improbable comeback by LeBron. I'd say LeBron

0:45

and the Lakers, but it was, it

0:47

was all LeBron. That was

0:49

just unbelievable. So we'll touch on that a little bit.

0:52

Cause I know I spent a lot of time

0:54

talking about him on Tuesday and then we got Andre Iguodala coming

0:56

up here. But because we're doing this probably like once a month

0:58

now and there wasn't really an open

1:00

that I was totally feeling. We have Saruti with

1:02

Saruti quiz time. Just

1:05

throwing some questions at me. So let's ride.

1:07

Yeah, I was excited. We were talking through some of these

1:09

last night and you know, we have

1:11

a good variety of ones and one that we took, cause I

1:13

think the first time we did this was right before the regular

1:15

season started. And I was so excited about the

1:18

2021 draft and I want to revisit that again today. I think I

1:20

want to rank some of the players, but we won't start there. Why

1:22

don't we start here? Everybody's in

1:24

Amber constantly by our guy, when be,

1:27

you know, just stupid stat lines is

1:29

what five by five game the other night was pretty

1:31

incredible. What like

1:33

does the, the only thing is does the Spurs

1:35

record and how bad they are, does that

1:37

influence you and potentially voting him as defensive player of the

1:39

year and his rookie year? It wouldn't

1:41

for me, I imagine it will for others. I

1:44

don't know how this transition happened where because

1:46

the team's record should be a

1:48

part of the individual's MVP chances.

1:50

I don't know how

1:53

that trickled down into the other awards. Like when I hear about

1:55

it for rookie of the year, I just want to, I'd

1:57

say pull my hair out, but it doesn't matter anymore. Most

2:01

of these guys are going to bad teams. The

2:03

only example that I can use is when I'm doing

2:05

MVP or I'm doing all-MBA or I'm doing it, let's

2:08

say specific to the all-MBA stuff, there

2:11

are things I can prioritize, but

2:14

depending on the pool of players that I'm choosing

2:16

from or who's available for the first team or

2:18

who the debate is with the four guys remaining

2:20

for the two spots on the third team. I

2:22

think last year it was pretty clear it was

2:24

like 16 or 17 guys and then that

2:26

was it. It was fairly obvious when you're

2:28

doing the all-MBA voting that each

2:31

year you're only comparing

2:33

that pool of players. The criteria can change a

2:35

little bit. It's a lot like, as I say

2:37

every single year, when the college football playoff selection

2:39

committee is you can say, well, wait a minute,

2:42

two years ago they did this. It's like, okay,

2:44

but two years ago that team's resume was

2:46

in comparison to those other teams. Because

2:49

that happened two years ago doesn't mean it's going to happen this

2:51

year. That's

2:53

something that I think is a bit of a moving target. It

2:55

can seem like it's a contradiction, but

2:57

it isn't really that. At least that's how I feel

2:59

about it. Now, specifically to Wemenyama, you

3:01

already heard my answer that it wouldn't. I

3:04

don't know that it should. I'm sure Minnesota

3:06

would be like, look, we're the one

3:08

seed. It's Go Bear. I think Jaden McDaniels

3:10

deserves some love with this. Jonathan

3:13

Isaac doesn't play enough, but he's that kind

3:15

of player. Hartenstein

3:18

has some really nice numbers, but

3:20

when I've watched Wemenyama in these

3:22

games and whether it's leading

3:24

the league in blocks, I think he's 13,000 steals. There's

3:28

a lot of stuff where he's top 10 on

3:30

some of the adjusted stuff because the rest of

3:32

his team doesn't play any defense. He's one of

3:34

only three players that I think are a net

3:36

positive defensively. And I'm shocked the other two guys

3:38

are even that. And that's probably because they're in

3:40

the rotation with him as much as they are.

3:43

So I'm leaning that

3:45

way with still some work to do. And

3:49

it's a hard vote because there are numbers that

3:51

will exist where I felt like the Brooke Lopez

3:53

year where people were flirting with that. And then

3:55

you kind of realize that, yeah, but his responsibility

3:57

is this while he has Drew. Giannis

4:01

and all these other guys roaming around playing great

4:03

defense all over the place So like Brooks job

4:05

is just a little bit easier. So defensive a

4:07

player of the year like that seems crazy So

4:10

I would look at the Spurs record

4:12

and just shrug and feel confident that

4:14

it's not just the stats for women

4:16

Yama It's just the impact the way

4:18

he gets everyone that's getting near the

4:20

rim to think twice about what they're

4:22

wanting to do And on top everything

4:24

I think they're recovering 67%

4:27

of his blocked shots Which is

4:29

like a staggering number in itself So

4:32

I'm sure other voters will go oh I

4:35

give it to him But the team isn't

4:37

good and I personally would feel like that's

4:39

that's unfair Thanks

4:41

for mentioning my guy JI. I had a heart attack the other

4:44

night when he went down But it seems to be everything's fine.

4:46

He might even play tonight against Utah's that'd be great I

4:48

have one one last thing on this like side note He's

4:51

he's gonna get a quadruple double right at

4:53

some point his career like he's going to

4:57

Yeah, I think so I think there's there's some

4:59

Hakeem type stuff in his future You know, it's

5:02

funny as I was thinking about him today as

5:04

you're getting ready for this and I thought if

5:08

1998 would one banhama go

5:10

like seven Would

5:12

basketball people watch him Internationally,

5:15

you know, I say have the same

5:18

kind of games that he was having before he's picked number

5:20

one But in 98 would

5:22

he go like alright, we'll take We'll

5:25

take Ray Flafrance and then like when

5:27

banhama still on the board, you know, cuz Dirk went

5:29

9th in 98 You

5:33

could argue wait a minute Sean Bradleye went second

5:36

in 1993 to Philadelphia But

5:40

he at least he'd been in high school in Utah.

5:42

I know he's born in Germany I just

5:44

wonder if there be scouts being like, I

5:46

don't know the French had a bail amount

5:48

twice Conveniently forgetting what they did

5:50

for us in the late 1700s, you know You

5:53

grow up in school and you're like wait those guys

5:55

had our backs Cuz I don't know that Yorktown goes

5:57

all the way Statue of Liberty. All right. Yeah up

6:00

right. Yeah, sorry about sorry

6:02

about those repayments, dude,

6:04

we're going to send this old guy

6:07

BF over try to work that

6:09

out with you. Who goes to who goes to Russell

6:13

or excuse me, Kurt Russell, Michael Douglas, Ben

6:15

Franklin, quick thoughts. All

6:18

right. Anyway, keep it moving. What did you say? Who goes

6:20

first in a draft in 2003? Tyson

6:22

Chandler or or when be I

6:27

think Tyson channel they'd be like, oh, yeah, no

6:29

body size. Yeah, traditional center. We know what

6:31

he is. It's just so funny. He's not ready.

6:35

Not French. That's huge. No, right. True. This

6:37

is a scout in the back who like, like,

6:40

I remember a market in 68. No

6:43

way can't take this guy. All right.

6:46

Last triple double, by the way, was 1994. David Rob. Quadruple.

6:50

I quadruple double. Yeah, quadruple double 1994

6:52

David Robinson. So he'd be, you know,

6:55

I guess the next spur, but actually the next guy in

6:57

the NBA to do it. All right, next one. The military.

6:59

Yeah, what do you got? LeBron, obviously

7:01

ridiculous last night. The game was awesome. You were there too,

7:03

by the way, you left early. Left

7:05

early. Yeah, nice. Perfect. What

7:09

kind of contract would you give LeBron? By

7:11

the way, not even remotely impacted by leaving early. When

7:14

I left the MoVon game in 98 early, it was,

7:16

I was, I was fucked up for a year on

7:18

that one. This

7:20

one didn't, didn't care how to get food, how to get

7:22

to work, kind of catch up on some other things. Okay,

7:25

so LeBron's contract. Windhorse

7:28

had a pretty significant quote saying

7:30

that Windhorse, or saying LeBron quote,

7:32

looking for a nine figure deal.

7:35

So here are the facts. LeBron's got a player

7:37

option for 51.4 million. And

7:40

the facts are like every time you think like,

7:42

Oh, you know, now he's slowing down. Like LeBron

7:44

still hasn't had that stretch where he misses like

7:46

the 20 plus games, which he usually has done

7:48

the last few years, which I think can kind

7:50

of be overlooked a little bit. So

7:53

player option for 51.4 million. If

7:56

it's a nine figure deal, I asked the

7:58

cap guy this morning, the structure. of what a

8:00

three-year deal would look like for LeBron. It

8:03

would be about three years, 162. So

8:06

you're figuring like 49 in the first year, just

8:08

touching maybe 60 million in the third year and

8:11

he'll be 40. You're

8:13

paying him at 40, 41 and 42. Last

8:18

night was awesome. No

8:20

thanks. There's no way. There's

8:23

no way I'm doing that

8:25

despite him. Whatever

8:27

you want to talk about with explorers in

8:29

ancient times, being like, all right, this

8:31

is it. We got it. We

8:33

charted all of it. Cartographers are good.

8:35

And then LeBron's like, no, we're going to

8:37

keep going. We're just going to keep... What's over

8:39

there? I don't know. No one's ever

8:42

gone over there before. That's what he's doing. He's just... He's

8:45

hooking the dogs up to the sled, being

8:47

like, nope, there's still places we can go

8:49

and no one around him can believe it.

8:51

So he deserves all the credit for doing

8:53

this stuff and moving the needle of what

8:55

we even think is possible. I

8:58

should say moving the line of what we think is possible. But

9:01

a nine figure deal for him, I would

9:04

be like, okay, well then go get

9:06

it. Because if you look

9:08

at the teams with cap space and this

9:10

is practical cap space, things can change. But

9:13

the way it's listed as of this morning, if you

9:15

go around and look for it all, Philly

9:18

has... Excuse me. Detroit

9:20

has the most. Philly has the second most. Orlando has

9:22

the third most. Charlotte,

9:24

the fourth most and Utah, the fifth most.

9:26

And again, those things could change. I think

9:29

you can rule out Detroit, Charlotte

9:31

and Utah out of the jump. I know it's going

9:33

to hurt, Saruti, but you might not even care. I

9:35

don't think Orlando would do it all. They probably need

9:37

to spend their cap space this year and then figure

9:39

out... That's the rumor. Clay. Clay

9:42

Thompson. Okay. The 76ers won. Remember

9:45

when we did that years ago before he went

9:47

to LA? And it was like, he might actually

9:49

just go there. He didn't even actually

9:51

show up to the meeting. That's

9:53

how bad he wanted to be in Philadelphia. So

9:55

they did a really good job of selling that

9:58

as a potential landing spot. leverage against

10:00

LA and potentially staying in Cleveland for

10:03

one more year. So as

10:05

great as this has been, I just don't know that I

10:07

would do it. Well, look, I would tell you right now,

10:09

I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't be like, hey man, here's

10:11

three years and another hundred. I

10:13

mean, yeah, we're talking 162. So

10:16

here's the thing we need to remember though. Kobe

10:19

Bryant back in

10:21

November of 2013, he was hurt. He

10:25

played six games that season and

10:27

the Lakers knew he was going to be a free

10:29

agent. They gave him a two

10:31

year extension for 48 and a half million.

10:33

Well now 48 and a half million doesn't

10:36

even sound like anything, but at the time,

10:38

okay, almost more than 10

10:40

years ago, almost 11 years ago, at the

10:42

time we couldn't believe it. We're like, what

10:44

are they doing? Like, this doesn't make

10:47

any sense. And that was going to be

10:49

paying him in his 36 year old and 37 year

10:51

old season. And

10:53

that was the end of his contract. And technically, it actually was

10:55

a pay cut from the 30 million that he'd

10:57

made in the 13, 14 season. So

11:02

the push at the time, even

11:04

though no one understood it and everybody thought it was

11:06

bad and ultimately it didn't really matter.

11:09

There was also an element of like, well,

11:11

Kobe's going to want this so bad. They're going to have

11:13

to now they paid him. They're going to have to do

11:15

everything. They can win a title. It's like, man, people can

11:17

want a lot of stuff. It doesn't mean you

11:19

just get, you get it the same way LeBron

11:22

wants one more. It doesn't mean you're just going to, most

11:24

of the endings are all bad endings, but

11:26

there was a

11:28

Lakers thing. Okay. That

11:31

was about the Lakers and

11:33

Gee bus and their ownership

11:35

being specifically tuned to stars

11:38

and that taking care of Kobe proved

11:40

to other stars. If you come

11:42

here, we take care of you.

11:45

So will it be the same motivating factor to

11:47

give LeBron a three year deal in a way

11:49

that a lot of us are going to go?

11:51

That still doesn't make any sense despite how amazing

11:53

he was last night. So that's a factor that

11:55

we should Remind ourselves of because that

11:58

was what they sold us on the. Colby

12:00

deal that didn't make any sense. They don't come back

12:02

at me with the numbers on the forty eight when

12:04

it's at that time. go back and read everything. most.

12:06

We were like the are you kidding? like why would

12:08

you do that They did it. And.

12:10

The. Area. So. Next. One.

12:14

I. Were gonna little glimpse early of what

12:16

life. Post tray young might be

12:18

like in Atlanta finger surgery out at least

12:20

a month. So we're get the did Jaunty

12:23

Murray show here. I thought he had a

12:25

kidney transplant our that our blood work has

12:27

gone on his erratic and look back at

12:29

get lox ah when you answered research with

12:31

him and it's I guess. I'm black,

12:33

but if it does look like we're we're

12:35

We're moving towards some sort of thing or

12:37

something has happened the summer adding everybody.e O

12:40

Pay Bringing Quin Snyder, you can maybe get

12:42

the best ideas. God has been disappointing this

12:44

year. Again, And.

12:46

Has been rumors about Tray being traded jaunty. Who

12:48

know? He didn't seem very happy. What? Would

12:50

you? if you had afraid one the summer? what are you? Don't.

12:53

Okay, I'll admit. That I've

12:56

had moments. Where.

12:58

I've. Watched and thought. would they just

13:00

be better. With. The zhang pay

13:03

and then using whatever resources in all around him

13:05

that they would get back the tray young trade

13:07

and I know like my histories well established for

13:09

lox what would I watch all these teams and

13:11

and wonder hey what if they did this or

13:13

what are they did that most the time with

13:15

changes are going to do it. Though. Some

13:17

of these younger fix like an hour in part about. The.

13:20

Houston guys in a second here. As.

13:22

I go one was using different game. Agree that

13:24

overseers like you just still don't really trade those

13:26

guys because he took him so hide used afraid

13:28

they're gonna figure it out somewhere else so it's

13:30

going to be even worse for it, right? So.

13:33

Try. Is so popular. And.

13:36

I don't know of it's a social media

13:38

thing that comes at me specifically so much

13:40

where it feels like everybody loves them, but

13:43

that's usually that's a bad indicator of what

13:45

what the reality is. So.

13:48

What I watch I wonder. But here's the thing

13:50

is, traces lot better than Santa. You. Just.

13:53

a just hasn't been as good in atlanta

13:55

as he wasn't san antonio and going through

13:57

all the on off stuff which is it

13:59

is you can fly stuff that's misleading, it

14:01

depends on rotations, maybe DeGionte's with the backups

14:03

too much. They try

14:06

to stagger these guys as much as they can even

14:08

though it feels like they're playing more together than they

14:10

first did. But there's just no number

14:12

that tells you they're better with Murray than they are with

14:14

Trey. I

14:17

looked for all of them and it was

14:19

a bit of an eye test thing where I'm like, yeah,

14:21

I think the eyes could be lying to you a little

14:23

bit. The problem is, there are three coaches in, the defense

14:25

has always been a disaster. If

14:28

you go back to, well, their

14:30

27th on D this year, last year 22nd, 22, they were 26th.

14:34

In 2021, they were 18th. In 2020, they

14:36

were 28th. And in 19, they were 28th.

14:39

So they've won one playoff, they

14:42

had one successful playoff run where they won two series

14:44

and then lost to the Eastern Conference Finals

14:46

of the Bucks. So that gets thrown back. But

14:49

look, I've said it for years. There's a lot of teams

14:51

that have this conference finals

14:53

run out of nowhere and it

14:55

just happens and it's not really who you are. And

14:58

I think that's proven out again. And I've constantly said

15:00

how much I like talent here. So

15:02

Dejante's got a better contract, but Trey's

15:04

still under contract. But

15:08

man, I was looking at some of the Dejante stuff, his

15:10

overall numbers and maybe that's playing with Trey.

15:12

But I mean, he was a different cat

15:14

when he was with the Spurs and

15:17

now he's just kind of slightly above average. And

15:19

so it might even be about, hey, maybe Dejante

15:21

is just not as good as everybody thought he

15:23

was. And this is an ownership

15:25

that wanted to do this deal. And I don't think the front

15:27

office wanted to do the deal and move all the picks for

15:29

Dejante here. So

15:32

these trades, and I

15:34

know what people have reported after the deadline

15:36

that other teams were saying to reporters that

15:38

it felt like they'd be a little bit

15:40

more open to it. It

15:42

feels a little like the Westbrook stuff,

15:44

the speculation that, okay, if Westbrook's on

15:47

his way out from say Oklahoma City

15:49

or Houston or whatever, maybe a team

15:51

that's really, really stale brings in a

15:53

guy, has the presser, gives him the

15:55

jersey, probably makes a couple of all-star

15:57

teams, sells a few more tickets. And it's like, hey,

15:59

at least we kind of have a star and

16:01

attraction. Well, Atlanta already

16:03

has that obviously with Trey and it's super

16:05

important to it. And I just don't think

16:08

that Murray's good enough for you to make

16:10

that kind of decision. So

16:13

yeah, maybe that's surprising to people here a little

16:15

bit, but I've asked myself while I've watched it

16:17

going, would they actually be a little better off

16:19

considering what they might get back with Trey and

16:21

just trying to build that back up on the

16:23

fly? I would just wonder why is Dejante just

16:26

significantly worse with Atlanta than he

16:28

was with San Antonio because he is. Yeah,

16:31

I feel like I've been a

16:33

critic of Trey Young's, but I still think like

16:35

their ceiling is higher with Trey than it is

16:37

Dejante, I think, running team. And I think you

16:39

just say, hey, could we get more for Trey

16:42

Young on the open market? Probably still. There have been

16:44

a lot of Lakers rumors. And the only thing that

16:46

we talked about for a while is how much of

16:48

a fit he is in Atlanta. It just kind of

16:50

makes sense there. And the fans

16:53

seem to like him and defend him. And I do like that about them

16:55

even though I don't love the player as much. I

16:58

don't know if it's true because I just only see this

17:00

stuff in social media. And it's it's pretty

17:02

nasty because of the way I've talked about it for such

17:04

a long time. But yeah,

17:07

on social media, that's their guy.

17:09

So I don't know if that's like

17:13

every Atlanta Hawks fan. I don't

17:15

know what the actual representation would

17:17

be of no way

17:19

figure it out with Trey and build around it, build

17:21

it the right way. But I

17:23

know or if there's a lot of people like,

17:25

all right, you know, you've tried this for

17:27

multiple years, what's different? But

17:30

Dejante doesn't seem to be the solution to

17:32

it is when you do a deeper dive

17:34

or the numbers, you're almost like, well, unless

17:37

you want to go even further and say, well, that's because

17:39

he's playing his training has to like have all these overlapping

17:41

minutes that don't work out for him. Now

17:43

all of it's on the table. But as far as player

17:45

versus player, he's not as good as Trey. All

17:48

right, speaking of problems, speaking

17:50

of problems, let's do the

17:52

Battle of the maligned former top three picks.

17:55

And this might be a little unfair because Scoot's in here and

17:57

he, you know, he hasn't even played a full

17:59

season yet. But I want you to rank these three guys

18:02

going forward Jalen Green Jabari

18:04

Smith and Scoot Henderson. I

18:07

just can't do this with Scoot. You keep trying to do this to

18:09

me. So I think it's unfair Talk

18:11

to me in a better April not this April

18:13

talk to me next April I did think he

18:15

was figuring some stuff out before the abductor issue

18:17

He's got a really high usage the stats the

18:19

metrics for him are so bad You get to

18:21

cover your kids eyes Like you can't you have

18:23

to put a parent filter on basketball reference for you

18:26

to look Scoot Henderson's advanced stuff because it's so

18:28

bad So I

18:31

don't even know how Scoot factors into this

18:34

But the Jalen Green stuff is really

18:36

alarming The numbers are alarming and his play

18:38

when you watch it is alarming because you're like

18:40

what is it is best You're

18:42

like, I can't believe he just did that He's

18:45

on a short list of guys who did whatever he just

18:47

did with the ball and his movement and it's incredible But

18:50

the three-point shooting has been down three straight

18:52

years. I look a lot Look

18:55

a lot of players and look at that sophomore

18:57

year for the high picks where it's like Okay

18:59

You play your rookie year some decent numbers because

19:01

you get the opportunity and then the second year They

19:03

let you just go wild and give you all

19:05

this All these

19:07

minutes all these shots. I mean he took a million shots

19:09

last year He scored 22 a game and it's like our

19:12

man. He's really coming along It's like now he's really actually

19:14

just taking more shots because no one's in the way and

19:16

it was only him and Kevin Porter junior Just kind of

19:18

doing whatever the fuck they wanted to do the whole time

19:20

And I think that's why they spent so much money on

19:22

van Vliet and Brooks to be like, you know We need

19:24

to figure out like Brooks is a better

19:26

player than Jalen green is he

19:28

is and I know that sucks to hear Because

19:30

you didn't take Dylan Brooks so high, but

19:33

I'm really worried about Jalen

19:35

green although his defense I think is

19:37

improved from absolutely abysmal Jabari

19:40

on the other side the three-point shootings go from

19:42

31 to 36 percent Like

19:46

to see him get the free throw line a little

19:48

bit more the nine rebounds are better His numbers are

19:50

just better and I

19:52

think he's always gonna be able to play defense

19:54

who he is right now I can already see

19:57

even though that'd be a disappointment and be like

19:59

that guy's gonna stick around for a long time. I

20:01

don't know what team would say, Hey, Jalen Green, here are your

20:03

18 shots per game. We think you're awesome.

20:06

Here's your new contract. Like that's scarier. So

20:09

even if the ceiling athletically with

20:11

moments with greener are more amazing

20:13

to watch, like even

20:15

the worst version of Jabari, I think plays in the

20:17

league a long time. It fits in. The problem is,

20:19

is that's not what you're doing. When you're drafting Jabari

20:21

as high as you are, you're hoping that he can

20:24

get his own buckets. And the

20:26

biggest knock on him when you're doing a draft

20:28

tape of him is that man, he's just not

20:30

initiating a lot of this stuff on his own

20:32

despite the shooting, despite how smart he seems defensively

20:34

in his positioning. I also think it kind of

20:36

sucked for him to have to watch those guards

20:38

last year just be like, Hey, am I ever

20:40

going to get the ball? But I

20:43

worry when dudes who are

20:45

supposed to be perimeter players don't really get

20:47

to dribble in games all that often because

20:50

until you get comfortable dribbling through

20:52

traffic and people trying to stop

20:54

you and all that kind of stuff, you can

20:56

start to turn into a guy that doesn't want

20:58

to dribble in an NBA game. And once that

21:00

happens, it completely limits who you can be as

21:02

offensive players. So it's kind of

21:04

a carry over to what the college tape

21:07

showed on him. But I still

21:09

feel better about him than I would Jalen Green.

21:11

All right, speaking of Jalen Green, let's revisit my favorite

21:14

draft class that I could remember. And that is

21:16

the 2021 draft class, which

21:18

is just stacked. But I still think depending

21:20

on the week or the month, the order

21:23

of like how you'd rank these guys is

21:25

always different. So how would you

21:27

rank the 2021 the players in the 21 2021 draft right now? Because

21:29

I mean,

21:31

you've got Kate, you've got Franz, you've got Scotty, you've got Moby,

21:33

like you get all these guys and they just move and shift

21:35

and putting on like I said, like, you know, I think Kate's

21:37

kind of having like a little statistically

21:39

like I've seen people comparing his season to Paula's and being like

21:41

the numbers are kind of the same why we so down on

21:44

Kate? And I still actually like Kate a lot, but I don't

21:46

know that you go on into redraft. So and

21:48

obviously, Franz is my guy Scotty made the all star

21:50

team, Moby's been up and down kind of more maybe

21:52

down now since the offensive game hasn't gotten there. But

21:54

I'm just I'm interested to know how you would rank

21:56

those guys right now. Yeah,

21:58

so I wonder even if you could argue should

22:01

Alpe Shanguin stay in with the Rockets here? Could he

22:03

go number one in all of this?

22:06

I don't think it's a crazy

22:08

question. It might be more of a matter of

22:12

what kind of position do we prioritize in this

22:14

game now? And that's where like

22:16

Mobley gets hurt. So I'd still go Kade

22:18

number one. I would. You

22:21

want to talk ugly numbers? Like if you look at some of

22:23

the advanced stuff for him the first couple of years, like

22:25

it was gross. There's no

22:27

question he's a much better player. He was

22:29

great in February too, but you

22:32

know, look he's 46 and 36% shooting

22:34

now, which is a big improvement. Like

22:37

I said, the first two numbers are first two

22:39

years are just really bad. And I'm not just talking

22:41

this up to like a great February where they have

22:43

like one win to show for a couple of battles

22:45

the last week. But I'm,

22:49

I'm still a Kade fan. And I'd still

22:51

take him number one. I think Scotty's still

22:54

really good. You want to

22:56

talk about the eyes lined you a little bit

22:58

and definitely that Oklahoma city Thunder game, the overtime

23:00

one where Toronto was, was battling and I felt

23:02

like Barnes got stuck watching. And some people just

23:04

wanted to say that he was tired the whole

23:07

time. But how about this number? Cause I looked

23:09

it up his usage rate before quickly and RJ

23:11

got there. Now granted like Siakam's taken some of

23:13

those possessions too. His usage rate was 24 after

23:16

quickly, who looks like is initiating a ton

23:18

of the offense and RJ's getting his thing

23:20

going. And it looks like Scotty's watching a

23:22

little bit more. The usage is the same.

23:25

So it may look different, but he's not

23:27

now dropping off on touches and opportunities and

23:29

some of the stats that he's making for

23:31

himself and his teammates. So again,

23:33

the eyes line to you a little bit on that one. So

23:35

then it kind of comes down to like, look, I'd

23:38

still take Franz over Kaminga, even though I'm worried about

23:40

the three point shooting from Franz, but it's just sort

23:42

of weird this year that he's 31% after 35 36,

23:45

the first two years. Kaminga certainly

23:47

taking a jump. His February shooting numbers are

23:49

better than his, excuse me, his January shooting

23:51

numbers were incredible. Better

23:53

than his February numbers. But look, he shot 37% from

23:56

three last year, which is, I think, surprising when

23:58

you think about the Kaminga package, but it looks

24:00

like, okay, at least with Kaminga, may not be a

24:02

star, but like this guy can impact some games with

24:04

his energy as athleticism. He just seems to finally be

24:06

figuring some of this stuff out, but I think I

24:08

still lean fronds on him. The Mobley

24:10

question, I think, is the biggest one here. I

24:14

watched him in the Dallas game where

24:16

Strews hit the ridiculous

24:19

three at the buzzer. They

24:21

didn't close with Mobley in the last rotation.

24:23

They brought him in an offensive substitution, but for

24:25

the most part he was not a part of

24:27

whatever the closing last minutes, and I'd have

24:29

to go back and look and see when

24:31

he's being subbed out. Since

24:33

he's come back, let's just put it

24:35

this way, 14 games since

24:38

January 1st, and he's 11th and fourth

24:40

quarter minutes on the Cavs. Sometimes that

24:42

can be weird because one guy played

24:44

and then he counts in the minutes

24:46

ranking for the fourth quarter, but I

24:49

think the lowest number of games played that came up

24:51

sorting it that way was like eight or nine games

24:53

for one of the other guys in the Cavs. That's

24:55

something to look at. Mobley

24:58

is still a very valuable player on a

25:00

lot of different teams, but there

25:02

are moments where you're like, okay, the redraft already,

25:04

Mobley is the guy that goes one, but the

25:07

offense is not developed. That substitution

25:09

thing, and I'm not watching every Cavs game,

25:11

but noticing that against Dallas would be something

25:13

I'll keep looking at. Maybe it

25:15

turns around there a little bit, but I'm

25:18

still okay with Kate at one. I think there'd

25:20

be an argument for Barnes. The fact that Shinkun

25:22

is even in the conversation is incredible here, but

25:26

there's three or four guys on top of that draft, and

25:29

right now I think we're worried about two of them.

25:31

I have a theory on Mobley that I think I've run by you before, but

25:33

I'll do it here. Bill,

25:36

for the longest time, likes to rag

25:38

on me about like, oh, the magic. They're not making any

25:40

trades. They need to bring in a guy like, go for

25:42

it now, go for it now. Why don't you trade for

25:44

Donovan Mitchell? Why don't you try to make a deal with

25:46

the trade deadline? Partially, my answer

25:49

is because I'm just cool seeing how

25:51

all these young guys develop, specifically Paulo

25:53

and Franz. I think the

25:55

Cavs, when they made that Donovan Mitchell trade,

25:58

and they kind of became in like winter. now mode

26:00

really early instead of maybe letting Mopley develop a little

26:02

bit more offensively. Like they just don't need him to

26:05

be that much on offense. And so

26:07

he's incredible defensively and obviously he's got Allen next

26:09

to him to kind of help out there too.

26:11

But he hasn't, I think they, like I'm

26:13

not saying you would redo that decision because you know, all right, you

26:15

get down to the Mitchell, he's one of the better players in the

26:17

league. But I wonder if like he had

26:19

gotten more runtime on like a worse team if he'd be

26:21

able to like figure it out a little more offensively. Whereas

26:24

now, like he's just had to kind of plug and play

26:26

into a team that's trying to compete in the East right

26:28

now. It's

26:31

a fair question. I you know, I think

26:33

it's, it's totally okay for

26:35

Mopley to develop some stuff that he feels more confident

26:37

with offensively and the limited touches that he would get

26:40

as opposed to more touches without Mitchell. And I don't

26:42

blame Cleveland for trading for Mitchell. Like people wait around

26:44

for these teams like, Oh man, is Mitchell really that

26:46

guy? I'm like, no, no, that's cool. Wait around for

26:48

go ahead Cleveland, wait around for the top five player

26:50

that becomes available that you can go ahead and trade

26:52

for, you know, instead of a top 15 guy, which

26:55

is where Mitchell look at worse. He's top 20. Some

26:58

years he feels like he's even better than top 15. So

27:00

will he get in the way of Paulo and Franz and all

27:03

these other things? And like the Bill's point is

27:05

Cleveland training him, you know, I

27:08

know he gets pissed about nobody trading anybody, but like

27:11

was clearly like, yeah, this is pulled plug. Yeah,

27:14

just lost to the Knicks last year.

27:18

Just trade him. We'll just trade him. Damn.

27:22

Yeah, we gave, we gave it 16 months, but

27:24

just wasn't gonna work out. So

27:27

yeah, I think, I think that's a

27:29

fair point, but look, it's also a little bit on

27:31

Mobley, like figure out something that you feel good with.

27:34

And you know, this might be something we touched

27:36

on last year. Perhaps the twin

27:38

towers of Cleveland are outdated in

27:40

playoff basketball for 2024. I

27:43

don't have a conclusion to it yet because there's

27:46

only one playoff series, but it's

27:49

kind of crazy that this is the way

27:51

draft works. It's just a good reminder for

27:53

every single draft. Like, hey, this guy can be an all-star.

27:55

This guy was like pick eight and you're like, this guy could be

27:57

an all-star. It's like, you know what? Why

28:00

are these guys going to be on different teams within four years? Yeah.

28:04

All right. Last one. Uh, obviously Boston would

28:06

be the most disappointing team if they didn't win

28:08

a title this year. Who's number two?

28:11

Good question. Because the first answer

28:13

for most disappointing, I don't even

28:16

know. Like conversation

28:18

starts after Boston, right? Uh, I

28:22

think it's the Clippers. You can't have the

28:24

drought. Denver has with a title win one and

28:26

then be like, Oh, we didn't repeat. You know,

28:28

that's not happening. Minnesota

28:31

maybe next year would be in it. Um,

28:33

Oklahoma city too young. Not gonna worry about it. Uh,

28:36

I guess Phoenix could be part of it too. Maybe

28:38

Milwaukee a little bit here or there, but I think

28:40

it's the Clippers. I really think it's the Clippers. You

28:42

paid Kawhi. You're probably going to pay Paul George. You're

28:44

probably going to pay harden. You know, you're

28:47

keeping this thing together and as great as

28:49

it looked over the 25 and six stretch

28:51

last night was a little alarming. These small

28:53

lineups, Ty Lou, like we're, you know,

28:55

back in the day, the Warriors, when they would fix

28:57

a game, they're like, all right, death

29:00

lineup. Go small.

29:03

And it was horrifying for teams that weren't ready for

29:05

it. Although, you know, this is just how great these

29:08

guys are doing their jobs. Eventually people kind of caught

29:10

up and figured out some stuff. Lou

29:12

does it now. Like it's just going to fix

29:14

everything and it doesn't.

29:17

So I'm not going to take away from

29:19

them from the two months. Cause that was incredible. The

29:22

Boston tape exists, but, um,

29:25

them not winning with these resources into

29:28

these three guys at a later stage and

29:30

the injury history. Uh, yeah,

29:33

I think, I think it'd be number two. I don't really know who

29:35

else I would think of maybe be Phoenix, but

29:37

do you have any better number two? Are you just

29:39

saying like Denver won it last year? So

29:41

like they're just kind of playing with house money right

29:43

now. Cause I think they still have, I think we

29:45

could argue playoff time, like the best team in the

29:47

league, like I know what the regular season staff say for

29:50

the Celtics, but yeah, Denver. Like that

29:52

might be, yeah, I, you know, cause I'm talking about

29:54

like, what are we doing here?

29:56

Like Denver's not going to rethink our whole process.

29:58

Yeah. I think, yeah. Fair because it's

30:00

definitely not Denver then. Yeah, is anything yeah, maybe this

30:02

may be this Phoenix too Because it's

30:04

not it's not Minnesota. It's not the Thunder. I'm just looking

30:06

at the top of the rankings Cavs No bucks or you

30:08

know, what maybe I don't know the bucks. It's probably

30:11

not the bucks And then yeah, then you

30:13

get to the Sun. So yeah, you're probably right with

30:15

the Clippers Yeah bucks may be a

30:17

little bit higher bringing over Dame They're like if they

30:19

were to flame out get torched if they keep getting

30:21

you know Some of the defensive numbers are getting a little bit better, but you

30:24

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man? Thanks for doing this. My

32:13

man. How are we doing? Good. So I didn't, you

32:16

know, we've been, we've been trying to get you on.

32:18

We're excited to have you. And then I felt less guilty

32:20

about it after seeing the video of you asking Yokech

32:22

to come on your podcast. I mean, it's just, it's a

32:24

tough game out there for all of us now on

32:26

this side of it. You

32:29

know what? There's a 22 year

32:31

old kid out there that, um,

32:33

I felt like movie taken. I went to go find

32:35

him. He was the kid that posted that

32:37

video. We, I

32:40

was so upset because

32:42

this role that I'm in right now, you know, you

32:44

try to make sure that, you know, when I'm on

32:46

the job, you know, I won't, I don't make certain

32:48

requests and so I try not to ask players for

32:51

anything. So I was on the job and I, the

32:53

word podcast didn't come up. We were actually

32:55

speaking up something I needed him. I'm

32:58

looking for him to do, um, as

33:00

the best player in the world. So that was a request, but

33:03

it had nothing to do with a podcast. It has nothing to do for

33:05

me. Um, we were just kind

33:07

of joking about like, you know, he got the

33:09

torch right now and some of the insane

33:12

things that comes with, um,

33:14

being the best player in the world, so we were kind

33:16

of joking. And that's why he was pointing to, uh, Luca

33:19

like, nah, he's the best player in the

33:21

world. So that was the conversation and

33:24

some 22 year old kid, you

33:26

know, the kid, no Charles Barkley says,

33:29

you know, somebody in the basement just

33:31

making up stuff. And now it

33:33

looks like I'm asking for a guy to do

33:35

a podcast. So I was a little upset about that.

33:38

I'm still a little bit upset about that. You should

33:40

be. Cause now we were setting the record straight though.

33:42

So I liked that part of it. Uh, now I

33:44

feel bad a little bit because honestly, that's how

33:46

Yokich responds when he's asked to do a podcast.

33:48

So that's what I thought. Well,

33:51

I guess that's his response period. Okay.

33:54

This is a perfect transition because I get

33:56

to see Yokich live again. Last

33:59

week. I was leaving Denver and I

34:01

was like, I don't care that it's the Wizards. I just

34:03

want to watch him and I'm just not going to take my

34:05

eyes off of him the entire time and you always find something

34:08

new with him and how impressive he is. And then

34:10

we see Luca go insane. Granted, they lost in the

34:12

last second shot against Cleveland. Let's

34:15

do this. I'm going to give you four names. Ty

34:18

Game playoffs. Who

34:21

are you most scared of out of this

34:23

group? Jokic, Luca and B. Giannis with the

34:25

ball in their hands. Ty Game playoff. You

34:28

said Giannis, you said Luca.

34:31

And B. And B. Well,

34:34

you're forgetting the guy I'm most afraid of. OK,

34:36

I like this. But if I had to pick one of

34:38

your guys or am I picking any guys? Who are you

34:40

picking, Steph? Steph,

34:45

Shay Gilders-Alexander is really

34:48

good. So you think SGA is the scariest guy to

34:50

have the ball in his hands right now in that

34:52

scenario? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just

34:54

now I feel bad I left him off of it. I

34:56

like your answer. I think he's

34:59

coming into his own. I

35:02

mean, Kawhi Leonard is still

35:04

a guy. If he's healthy

35:08

in May, he's

35:10

like undefeated at going to the finals

35:13

healthy. Like if

35:15

he's healthy, he's getting to the finals. I

35:17

think his track record has proven that. And

35:19

so until someone takes him out while

35:21

he's healthy, Kawhi's there.

35:24

Obviously, Steph is scary. The

35:28

bigs are a little bit different. Throughout

35:31

NBA history, has there ever been a big where

35:33

you need a last second shot? You got to

35:35

go to your big. Now, back in the day,

35:38

you can go to the post and there wasn't as much

35:40

double teaming. But now it's really hard

35:42

to get the ball on the post or be able to make

35:44

a move. But M.B.'s

35:47

perimeter skill set, he's scary.

35:51

He's scary. But

35:53

out of the four guys you named, Lucas.

35:57

Lucas, Lucas is gonna get off a good

35:59

shot. Everyone thought that

36:01

he only went left to

36:04

a step back and he's on a certain wing. But

36:07

he's built a counter in his game. Oh,

36:09

I am losing my mind. Oh, I'm losing

36:12

my mind. Kyrie

36:14

Irving is not even close. Whoa.

36:18

So wait, you're going with Kyrie now

36:20

over everybody we've talked about. For

36:22

the last second shot, I'm going with Kyrie. Wow.

36:27

Kyrie's really good. He's really good. Well,

36:29

no. He's

36:31

talking about fear factor at

36:34

any given moment or for that moment,

36:36

Kyrie. Because

36:39

I mean, with Steph, I

36:42

think he's shown that he's proven

36:44

to teams that you can double him. And

36:46

if you could just try to get the ball out of his hands, then

36:49

I guess that's the way to combat him.

36:51

But with Kyrie, he's just so

36:53

good. Like, he's able to... You can't get the ball

36:55

out of his hands. You know, Shaq just said he

36:58

was the... You know, his

37:00

favorite... Or no, Allen Iverson said Kyrie

37:02

was the best ball handler in

37:04

NBA history. And I've been told

37:06

that I was crazy for saying that. But Kyrie's

37:09

my second favorite player behind

37:12

Steph. Well, I... That

37:14

was my teammate. Look,

37:17

I agree with the Kyrie Handel thing. We've never seen

37:19

anything like that. I also think

37:21

Kyrie's the best small finisher that we've ever

37:23

seen. And when

37:25

I say that in front of anyone around Philly, they

37:27

just go like, no way, it's Iverson. And I'm like,

37:29

yeah, but the longevity... I mean, and honestly, look, the

37:32

stats of the rim would back it up. That

37:34

Kyrie's finishing package at the rim for his

37:37

size, I've never seen anything like that on

37:39

top of the handle. And

37:41

Kyrie might be the best small

37:45

post-up player you've ever seen as well. Better

37:49

than Mark Jackson? Yeah, well,

37:51

Mark Jackson... He's bigger. He was posting up

37:53

to pass. And

37:56

he had a good hook. No, I love Mark

37:58

Jackson's post game. I remember Mark Jackson, you

38:01

know, he had his nice hook shot and he was,

38:03

they were lethal in Indy, but with

38:05

Kyrie in the post, he's posting

38:07

up guys. Well, Mark Jackson

38:09

was guarding guys that were guarding him with his

38:11

eyes. The other

38:13

team puts the biggest wing

38:16

defender on Kyrie night in, night out. So

38:18

he's at a six inch disadvantage every single

38:20

night with the guy who's guarding his

38:22

primary defense. Yeah. And he's

38:24

hitting those turnarounds is that that baseline turn around

38:26

and he gets the space. Yeah. And

38:29

he's, he's probably got the best footwork

38:31

that we've seen in a post, you

38:33

know, left, right, pull up, right, left,

38:35

pull up, jump stops, step throughs.

38:37

I think Jalen Brunson, what we're

38:40

seeing Jalen Brunson do with

38:42

his footwork. Kyrie has been

38:44

doing this for, you know, a decade plus

38:46

and it's, you talk about

38:48

fear factor. You ask anybody in

38:51

the league, that's a scary guy to see.

38:54

Okay. I like that answer. I guess my,

38:57

I've, I've always felt like if I want the

38:59

best possession, it's Jokic because, but I

39:01

don't know that he's taken the shot. Like he'll, he's

39:03

probably going to get me a good look. Right. Where

39:06

Luca and the way playoff games kind of break

39:08

down, it's like, all right, this is why you

39:10

guys get paid all that money. Like get a

39:13

shot off when everybody knows that you're going to

39:15

take it. And the way he

39:17

can ride a defender on his hip and

39:20

the defender just feels helpless. Like, you know what

39:22

he's about to do, but you don't know where

39:24

the ball's coming from and he's going slow and

39:27

the help comes and he just, like he did

39:29

it last night and then he passed. He had

39:31

two amazing passes off of these drives. One of

39:33

the carry opposite corner. Yes. Yeah. So it's,

39:36

it's so hard. It just seems so hard

39:38

physically with Luca with the change of direction.

39:40

It's not his speed. It's his angles. Yeah.

39:44

Well, I think that, well, you can't

39:47

use the pick and roll as much late in

39:49

the game. Because if you're

39:51

going for last second shot, you know,

39:53

the Warriors, you know, I've been, you know,

39:55

people are saying that that's an issue that they can run

39:57

into. You run into a pick and roll. They're

40:00

just going to double the ball to get the ball

40:02

out of the primary ball handler's hands, which

40:04

is what you want. You know, you want someone

40:06

else to beat you. We've always said that. And

40:09

so with Luca, you he's able to

40:11

make one-on-one moves. Um, but

40:13

if you get a strong guy that can defend

40:15

them, you know, like a

40:18

Kawhi or a PG

40:21

or a, you know, one of

40:23

those lockdown defenders, you know, he, it

40:25

may cause for a tough shot. I

40:27

don't know if I've seen anyone be able to guard Kyrie. I

40:31

don't, I don't know anybody that's been able to

40:33

guard Kyrie. I mean, when I saw what he

40:35

did, when he was in Cleveland and Pat

40:37

Beverly was chasing them all all over

40:39

the place in Houston, and he put about

40:41

four moves in one possession on four

40:44

defenders in Houston. This is one of the best clips I've

40:46

ever seen. He spun off up and went behind a bag,

40:48

bounce over high, finished crazy. The other

40:51

night is one of the best finishes I've ever seen.

40:53

He went over his left hand on

40:56

the left side. And then he switched it to his right hand

40:58

and he had an easy layup on the right side. He

41:00

decided to come back to the left side, flip

41:03

it opposite. And

41:05

he fell down and watched it all happen in slow motion.

41:07

It was one of the, one of

41:09

the best finishes I've ever seen for no reason, but he made

41:11

it look like it was easy. It was like MJ when he

41:13

switched hands for no reason, but this

41:15

was, that was one of the more impressive things I've ever seen.

41:19

Do you think about how 16 finished? I

41:21

mean, you've got four titles, so I don't think it would

41:23

haunt you the way it would have beat other players. If

41:25

that was your only time in the finals, but when

41:28

you think back to the close. No,

41:31

not at all. Uh, because

41:33

it was funny. Cause in

41:35

that moment you're so locked in. When

41:39

I heard it, you know, I heard a loud

41:41

boom, the block. I heard it.

41:44

I was like, good God. That was

41:46

amazing. Like it was one of the few

41:48

times that I was able to like, appreciate what

41:51

goes on in the game. Cause you like,

41:53

I never given

41:56

LeBron props while I played

41:58

because I just didn't want that. that I

42:01

didn't want him to have that mental edge. And

42:03

that's one thing you got to have when you're playing against LeBron is

42:06

he's just like one of us. You have to think

42:08

that. Understanding that he's not, but

42:11

yeah, when we're on the court, you know, who

42:14

I match up against, I'm just as

42:16

good as. And you have to approach it like that

42:18

because I think there is a, you know,

42:20

guys get a little fear, they get the moment gets too

42:22

big and the moment's only big if you make

42:24

it that big. And so I've never

42:27

been able to like see true greatness. Even

42:30

in my own teammates, so like the steps runs,

42:32

I would have to go back and watch the

42:34

games like a year or two later and

42:36

like, oh my God, Steph has some incredible

42:38

moves. But in those moments, I

42:41

can't really appreciate it because I'm really locked in on what

42:43

I have to do, like crash the glass or I got

42:45

to get back Steph shooting. So I got to get back

42:47

cause he's, you know, usually the point guard gets back, but

42:49

if he's shooting, I got to get back to help him

42:51

out. And so you don't really get

42:53

a chance to like appreciate it. But in that

42:55

moment when the block happened, I was like, I

42:58

was like, oh my God, that was incredible. And I

43:00

didn't even see him blocking the shot. I just heard

43:02

a loud boom. And I was like, oh, somebody got

43:04

shot. It was crazy. So, you

43:07

know, and then, you know, you end up with four of them and

43:09

I know, you know, what I've been

43:11

able to do in my career, extend my

43:13

career, switch entirely new positions, which

43:15

is tough for an athlete who's psychologically, you

43:18

know, the whole mental aspect of, you know, being a

43:20

starter and going to Olympics, winning gold medals and playing

43:22

an all-star game to being the man and having to

43:25

fall in your hands a lot. So

43:27

just completely going to another situation and being able

43:29

to adjust to it and excel in it. You

43:31

know, things like that. And

43:33

I've been able to appreciate it by my career and just be,

43:36

you know, you got to have fun with it all, especially in

43:38

this day and age. This

43:40

is a really, you know, there's

43:42

some obvious answers to this. You come into the

43:44

league, you play a few years with AI. By

43:48

the time you've gotten to Golden State, you know, it

43:50

was clear that Steph was gonna be a dude. And

43:53

then he takes it to another level, the MVPs and the

43:55

titles. So I don't want to ask

43:57

a simple question of like, how are they different?

44:00

Because I think we

44:02

know the obvious ones, but can

44:04

you compare, contrast what it's like to

44:07

have Iverson as kind of the main

44:09

guy for you as a younger player

44:11

and then you coming into Golden State

44:13

and being more of a vet and

44:15

having Steph be kind of the guy? Yeah,

44:18

so I've felt a

44:21

similar way because like I said before,

44:24

it's really hard to

44:26

comprehend or appreciate greatness

44:28

on your team from my perspective because I'm so

44:30

locked in on what I'm doing. But

44:33

you've had those moments where either

44:35

it was in practice or maybe from

44:38

the bench you see, you might

44:40

have a small second or two where

44:42

you're able to appreciate it. I think

44:45

it's really like helpless is the word to

44:47

describe having to guard one

44:49

of those guys. I've

44:51

seen it before. I like Iverson scored 60

44:54

against Orlando Magic and Steve

44:56

Francis and you knew exactly what he was going to do.

44:58

So I get to a spot. He was

45:01

great against the elbows and then

45:03

Steph, I've seen it in practice a few times and

45:05

I've gone up against him rehabbing.

45:08

Just last year where he

45:10

made like three threes

45:13

in about two

45:15

seconds combined and I was guarding and

45:19

I'm like, I can defend still. And I'm

45:21

like, wait, how did he shot one time? I'm like, no

45:23

way. Like he didn't even see the rim. Turned

45:26

around and the ball was going through the hoop. I'm like,

45:28

Jesus, like helpless. And they're

45:30

so different, but they give

45:32

you the same feeling, which is crazy.

45:35

So with AI, what I didn't understand or people

45:37

don't understand and I didn't know is how

45:39

good of a shooter he was. Like

45:42

yes, he was a valued shooter. But

45:44

when I saw him get shots up, like after

45:46

a practice on a random day, he

45:49

didn't miss. And

45:52

you know, we coined Katie coined the phrase,

45:54

Katie makes, you know, back room straight down, back

45:56

room straight down. Like, it's like the Katie makes, like

45:58

this is what we teach our kids. It's what I teach

46:00

my son like no, I want Katie mates. I

46:02

don't want switches back room straight down Like

46:06

that's when you know, you're controlling the ball. You're

46:08

controlling the trajectory You're controlling your art

46:10

like that's when you know, like you're locked in

46:12

and it's the same way every single time so

46:15

I want you to get a straight Katie mates I

46:18

see al Iris and have 50 Katie mates and

46:20

like that's all he needed to get himself back

46:22

in the rhythm and people don't understand How great

46:24

of a shooter he was because he was six feet

46:26

tall. He took some tough shots He's got

46:29

bigger guy. He's one of the first to have bigger

46:31

guys guarding him, you know, I never met the

46:33

Mar Damar Johnson from

46:35

Cincinnati in Denver. That was the first time

46:37

like a six nine guy Garden

46:40

the smaller guy because you know, no one else could

46:42

guard him if if Steph ai

46:45

this word are very similar If they have

46:47

someone the same height as him I'm

46:50

guaranteeing again 30 And

46:52

so when we go into games and I was he

46:54

step people don't understand how tall step is step is

46:56

six three Pushing

46:58

six four he's a big guard

47:00

and people don't understand You know

47:02

why we were so good defensively is because Steph is

47:04

the shortest guy at six four now is

47:07

you know myself? Six six, you

47:09

know, or it was Clay Thompson

47:11

who's six seven Harrison Barnes six

47:14

eight Draymond Green is the

47:16

tallest six five six six guys between

47:18

elite history him and Charles Barkley and Kevin

47:21

Durant seven feet. We had Javelle McGee 7-2

47:25

we had Andrew Bogut seven feet, you know

47:27

That's the CV seven feet like we had really

47:29

tall lineup Shawn Livingston when he was playing a

47:31

point he's six seven six eight We

47:33

had really big Lineups and when

47:35

I saw that they had a smaller guy garden

47:37

Steph around his height They were six three is

47:40

shorter step was going to get dirty. I'm like,

47:42

okay, we got a good night tonight They're

47:45

just too short. He's gonna shoot see right over you. He's

47:47

already shooting over six seven six eight every single night You

47:49

know how easier it is to shoot over six

47:51

three versus six six six seven You

47:53

know and it's everything centimeters in our game and the same

47:55

thing where I live and when they were have smaller guys on

47:57

him You know, it was just like Oh,

48:00

this is an easy night. He's getting 35. What

48:05

I always loved about your game is just how multiple

48:07

you were. You know, you could, you

48:09

were asked to do a lot. And

48:12

when I watch Oklahoma City and having

48:14

a little, you know, Intel

48:17

on kind of the roster design of

48:20

another league, excuse me, other teams talk about it. Like, Hey, you

48:22

paying attention to what the Thunder are doing, what they're trying to

48:24

do. It's like, Hey, multiple

48:26

guys that can kind of interchange and everything.

48:28

And we know they're young and I feel

48:30

like it's super dismissive to go, well, they're

48:32

young so they can't win the West. They're

48:35

healthy. Their guys play all the time. I'm a

48:37

little worried about Chet, but I heard you talking about them. Like

48:40

you look at them as, as it

48:42

feels like I don't want to speak for you. So I'll just

48:44

ask the question, like as good of, as good of a chance

48:46

as any of the other West teams to come out because of

48:48

the way they're built. Is that how you feel? Yeah.

48:52

Do a youth is real. And

48:55

you know, the one and two spot in the West is

48:58

scary right now because

49:00

the Lakers or the warriors sneak in, they're

49:02

both battle testing. So you do

49:04

need to have experience going

49:07

through a war like scenario,

49:09

not real world world

49:11

war, but you need to have

49:13

no that in the sports metaphor of a

49:15

war, that experience of going in a hostile

49:17

environments or, you know, understanding

49:19

like one 50, 50 ball can

49:22

make the entire series, you

49:24

know, LeBron understands the moments.

49:27

So, you know, JR Smith may

49:29

not have called timeout. It wasn't his fault, but that

49:31

was the only chance to win a series. You

49:33

know, I think, you know, LeBron

49:36

understood the ramifications. Like this is our

49:38

only chance to have a chance. And

49:41

if you let, you know, one moment slip by,

49:43

then that's it. And it's not blaming one person, but

49:45

that's just the importance of every single

49:48

possession in the playoffs. I

49:50

think that's where there's a big difference

49:52

between a regular season and a playoffs.

49:54

You know, you got to see a team,

49:56

you know, anywhere from four to seven times and

49:58

they're adjusting every single. single game, the chess match,

50:01

every single game, you know, each other's plays. But

50:03

that's how you identify who's

50:05

taking a torch. Who's the next best player in the

50:08

league. And that's what makes shade. So

50:10

scary is that he

50:12

scored 30, 35

50:14

more than any other player in the league. And so he's,

50:17

that's what makes him scary. He knows how to get to a

50:19

spot. You can't force him

50:21

into any, you know, bad shot. He

50:23

knows like, Hey, I can go left. I can go

50:26

right. I can get to the elbows. I can step

50:28

back for the three. I can get to the basket, finish with both

50:30

hands. I got a seven foot four guy

50:33

that can extend as well.

50:35

And we can switch everything with Luke Dort, Jamie

50:38

Williams. They're playing with a lot of confidence. You know,

50:40

they got one of the best shooters in the league.

50:42

He coming off the bench. Uh, who's playing Philly? Forget

50:44

his name. Isaiah Joe. Isaiah

50:47

Joe shooting at a light. He

50:50

can, he's just shooting. And so they

50:52

have the recipe for what the league

50:54

has become while also, uh,

50:58

not being exposed to the weaknesses that the league

51:00

has become as well. So it's just been amazing

51:02

balance that they have. And you got to give

51:05

Sam Presti a lot of credit. You know,

51:07

he's been able to build, um,

51:09

maybe probably this might be his second. You

51:11

know, team that he's

51:13

had to build construct in a

51:15

small market. We haven't seen anything like this, you know,

51:18

the Spurs consistently being good. You

51:20

know, for Tim Duncan played, you know, two

51:22

decades, um, before a team

51:24

and that market to be able to

51:26

build what they're building again, uh, it's

51:28

just, you got to give them a lot of credit with how they

51:31

run the organization. When you watch the Warriors

51:33

now, what do you see? Uh,

51:36

a scary team, you

51:38

know, they've been a

51:40

little bit inconsistent, but when

51:42

they put it together, it's like, watch

51:45

out, you know, to

51:47

see what Camino has turned into. Um,

51:50

which, you know, I was able to see him every single day

51:52

and tell him to stay patient, um,

51:55

you know, just heard, uh,

51:59

what's my man's name. playing, played

52:01

for the Lakers, coached for the different nuggets. Brian

52:05

Shaw, I saw Brian

52:07

Shaw speaking the other day about Phil Jackson and

52:10

Brian Shaw speaking about his puppies. And

52:12

he said when you get German shepherds who are like

52:15

guard dogs, you

52:17

can't tell them no the first

52:19

two years of their lives or dog years or whatever it is.

52:21

You can't say no to them. You

52:23

gotta just let them be who they are. You gotta

52:25

let them be killers. And

52:27

once you two years now you teach in

52:30

discipline. Where with

52:32

Camenga and he said Phil did the same thing

52:34

to Kobe where he would get on shack but

52:36

he wouldn't get on Kobe. One

52:39

day in practice like yo, why don't you get on Kobe? He was

52:41

like, listen, we gotta

52:43

make sure Kobe's in kill mode. When

52:45

we need to be him to be in kill

52:47

mode, like we can't hold him back. Can't hold

52:49

him back. And with Camenga,

52:52

we win a championship his rookie year. So

52:55

in that scenario, you kinda have to hold

52:57

him back because we're still competing

52:59

for championships. When

53:02

you got young guy with that talent in order

53:04

for them to go out and just go and

53:07

play and let them play through their mistakes,

53:09

you'll take some losses. But

53:12

when you're trying to compete for a championship

53:14

and you actually have the opportunity to, it's

53:16

a very, very difficult balance. And

53:18

so for him to just stick with it and

53:20

to go through the battles

53:22

of being so talented to being held

53:24

back and then this year to just be

53:27

playing high, he's playing, he's the second best player on the team.

53:29

I don't think anyone outside of our

53:31

core group or the Warriors see that.

53:34

And Wiggins having a slow start,

53:36

but Wiggins is picking it up. Clay

53:39

being comfortable coming off the bench. He

53:41

scored 25, 35 coming off the bench. He's

53:44

having some of his best nights. Chris Paul is

53:47

the sleeper on that team. I've been saying it for quite some

53:49

time. If you look at the record just

53:51

before CP got hurt, great

53:53

record. And then CP got hurt, they struggled and

53:56

they lost Draymond. And they really struggled

53:58

and Draymond comes back and now they're playing. And

54:00

then our CP is back, their bench

54:04

is probably equipped to compete with any other bench. One

54:07

of the best benches in the league, clay and CP

54:09

leading the way. And then they got a

54:11

rookie with some of the most

54:13

unbelievable confidence that we've ever seen in

54:15

DP playing out of his mind. It's

54:18

a recipe for a team that can scare you. But

54:21

on a nightly basis, you don't know what you're going to get.

54:25

They'll lose a tough game that they should win

54:27

and it throws off their seating. Now

54:29

they're in nine or ten seed and they got to win two

54:31

tough games on the road to try to get

54:33

in to win it all on

54:35

the playing side. I'm going to ask

54:38

a tough question here because Bill Simmons and I

54:40

have debated this now going back two years. I

54:44

think it's hard for us on the outside to

54:46

understand Draymond, but I also realized the personality of the

54:48

team. That I think every

54:50

team needs somebody that's on edge all the time,

54:53

and clay and Steph

54:55

are amazing. But you need kind

54:57

of one guy. And

55:00

his theory was that after the pool punch

55:02

that it derailed the entire season. My theory

55:04

was this team is too battle tested to

55:06

let something like that derail it. And then

55:08

it wasn't a very good season. Is

55:11

there anything to add to that? No,

55:14

it's not an add to that. Okay.

55:18

No, I mean- Look, I didn't know if you're going

55:20

to like the question or hate the question. I saw it. No, no, no, no,

55:22

no, no, no. I can understand if you don't like it. No,

55:25

it's not that I don't like it because it's your job to

55:27

ask. And you learn

55:31

as a player, as

55:33

a teammate, as

55:35

a coach, as a GM, as a spectator, as

55:37

a fan, as a scout, as

55:39

an opponent. You learn

55:42

through others sometimes. It

55:44

may be how to handle the situation or

55:47

how to react to it. Or

55:49

if you're even in a situation on either side, how

55:52

to respond from it all. And so, I just

55:55

did an interview this morning. I was interviewing

55:57

someone and we were speaking

55:59

about- failure, you know, and then how

56:01

do you bounce back from, you know, some, some

56:03

of your moments where, you know, you

56:06

know, put you in a light that you never saw yourself

56:08

being in or didn't want to be in. And

56:10

so I try to take a look at it from that perspective,

56:13

you know, even for me as a teammate, some things

56:15

I would have done differently and,

56:19

you know, seeing things earlier so it

56:21

doesn't happen or responding to different men or

56:23

so we have a better reaction coming out of

56:25

it. So that's just how I try to

56:27

look at it, you know, both my brothers, you

56:29

know, both did a lot of great things with them,

56:32

you know, one thing I say about big players is

56:34

once you're in this league, it's just in this fraternity

56:37

as a league and then on a deeper level as a

56:39

teammate, you know, there's things

56:41

we understand about each other that no one

56:43

else in the entire earth can understand. You

56:45

know, it's only like 4,800 NBA players ever

56:48

on a history of earth. So we're

56:50

in a small fraternity and,

56:53

you know, you don't really understand it

56:55

or appreciate it because of all the

56:57

noise that's surrounding you and so, you

56:59

know, I've just learned to

57:02

take it very precious leap and

57:05

you look at it from that perspective. Well,

57:07

I appreciate it being cool about the question

57:10

because I, you know... No, no, no, I'm

57:12

cool. I'm really cool about any question. Raymond

57:14

Ritter had me doing interviews like four

57:17

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57:19

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are [email protected]. Okay, let's get to

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it Our

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guy is beating up on himself hugely

59:25

in debt. No job girlfriend makes decent

59:27

money in his financially stable Some guys

59:30

are like what's the problem, right? Long

59:32

time dude, what's your UK right bro?

59:35

Next email. Yeah, what's your kdr

59:38

call duty? All

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right Long time

59:43

first time 27 boss a basketball comp is

59:45

Bob choosy in today's game. I don't know

59:47

the koozie would would dominate I

59:49

don't like when people diss the coups but uh

59:53

But just I think you might struggle a bit very

59:55

fluid movement a lot of trick passes Yes, I

59:57

know how infuriating those can be as a team

1:00:00

Look, are you good at the trick passes? You just try

1:00:02

to throw trick passes and pick up games because that would

1:00:04

suck. Yeah, very

1:00:06

streaky shooter. It means you can't

1:00:09

shoot. All right. You know what?

1:00:11

Let's not keep, let's not beat up on our

1:00:13

guy here anymore. Watch a lot of Celtics films

1:00:15

from Celtics film from 2005. So

1:00:18

Rondo is my favorite player and the reason

1:00:20

for the koozie comp. Okay. Understood.

1:00:24

The situation is this. In 2019, I

1:00:26

went to Vermont law school at 21 years old

1:00:28

to double major in an actual law degree and

1:00:30

a master's in environmental law and policy. COVID hit

1:00:32

school went remote. Needless to say, I found the

1:00:35

double major to be fairly tough and started to

1:00:37

slip academically. I was able to skate by

1:00:39

enough to get the master's degree, but I dropped

1:00:41

the JD degree all in for

1:00:43

debt. I have 150 K.

1:00:45

I've never been able to get a real job

1:00:48

in my field. I've done unpaid

1:00:50

work for the Connecticut state agencies through a

1:00:52

fellowship type program while at Vermont law school.

1:00:54

So I'm not totally unqualified and I graduated

1:00:57

in January of 22. So I'm a

1:00:59

mess. Just stopped working

1:01:01

at a group home like place. Do

1:01:04

you understand what that means? Like

1:01:07

a group home, like a halfway

1:01:09

house type deal, like fresh out.

1:01:12

You got like six months of good behavior type

1:01:14

thing. Yeah. Boy, you made it

1:01:16

specific. I don't know. I

1:01:18

don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe

1:01:20

it's for older people. I think that's right. Is

1:01:22

it? I think that's right. Okay.

1:01:25

All right. work

1:01:28

out. I'm hoping for that. But in the moment it's

1:01:30

very hard to. I told my girlfriend that I feel like I'm holding her

1:01:32

back because I have so much debt and no income right now. The

1:01:35

phrasing she explicitly hated was me calling her

1:01:37

quote, a fool. I know

1:01:39

not my best work for planning a life

1:01:42

with me. She works as a state contractor, makes

1:01:44

decent money, six figures. She's also just sold her

1:01:46

house. She bought pre-boom with an old boyfriend and

1:01:48

is going to be making a decent profit. I

1:01:51

feel so down about my life prospects. I feel like

1:01:53

I may pretend to be way more adequate at helping

1:01:55

her achieve her goals that I'm actually capable of. She

1:01:57

thinks I'm dooming our relationship and calling her stupid. the

1:02:00

same time. Yeah, not a great combo, dude. Besides

1:02:03

getting a real career, how can I either

1:02:05

convince myself that I'm not hamming her or

1:02:08

harming her? Yeah, that makes way more sense. I'm

1:02:10

not harming her by living in the trenches

1:02:12

right now or convince her I have a

1:02:15

serious concern about her future in life with

1:02:17

someone so financially unstable. All right, so sounds

1:02:19

like you are in a self-sabotage mission big

1:02:21

time. Look,

1:02:24

current situation isn't great. Not having a job

1:02:26

and having that school debt combo

1:02:28

of that really sucks. You know what sucks

1:02:30

even more? Getting dumped. Okay, and

1:02:32

you're about to, buddy. So I

1:02:35

don't know if you're doing the

1:02:37

depressed woe is me, like, let me

1:02:39

make everything even fucking worse so I

1:02:42

can make this keep layering the bad

1:02:44

shit on, you know, which is something

1:02:46

that you can kind of do when you're

1:02:48

really down to the dumps. It's like you

1:02:50

don't even want any good news because then

1:02:52

you might actually like you can get so

1:02:54

used to being bummed out that you almost

1:02:56

like it. Right? And it's like what happens

1:02:58

when something good happens and I don't get

1:03:00

to be bummed out anymore. You can't say

1:03:02

your feel anymore. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you

1:03:05

know, this is the as much as the depression

1:03:07

stuff sucks, the sneaky reward and all of it.

1:03:09

It's like I have maybe I hang out a

1:03:11

little depression window here for a year or two

1:03:13

and people can fucking leave me alone. So,

1:03:16

you know, I

1:03:18

personally think some some I don't know if

1:03:20

it's this email. It's certainly not everyone you

1:03:22

can start to kind of dig

1:03:24

it a little. So look, here's what

1:03:26

you need to do is if she

1:03:29

has your back and she sees

1:03:31

potential enough in you to ride out

1:03:33

what is a very

1:03:35

common thing you have school

1:03:37

debt, you have a specific field

1:03:40

that you're having a hard time

1:03:42

breaking into. Okay. You also have to be

1:03:44

honest with yourself enough to be honest with us. We didn't even

1:03:46

know yet. But honestly yourself like have

1:03:48

you really just

1:03:51

hammered the pavement in

1:03:54

a sense, not physically boots to the ground

1:03:56

walking around with your stack of resumes just

1:03:58

knocking on doors being like how How are

1:04:00

you today, ma'am? I'm about to

1:04:02

choose. This is the first day of the rest of your

1:04:04

life, right? So are you

1:04:06

really giving it everything you can

1:04:09

to search for another job? Maybe

1:04:12

you are, okay? I know what

1:04:14

it's like. It's a bit like working out where people

1:04:16

will be like, man, I'm working out like crazy. They're

1:04:18

like, are you? Are you

1:04:20

just like going there a lot and not

1:04:22

really working out? And you put your handbag

1:04:24

down on the cable roll machine and then

1:04:26

talk to other people for 12 minutes while

1:04:28

people who take 60 to 90 seconds in

1:04:30

between sets are waiting around for you to

1:04:32

move your fucking handbag. A lot of looking

1:04:35

through playlists. Fighting the right one. Yeah, right.

1:04:37

Do you go there a lot or do you actually put

1:04:40

the work in? So again, I don't know the answer to

1:04:42

that. But what I would suggest

1:04:44

you stop doing is telling

1:04:46

her that she's a loser for

1:04:48

dating you. Now, I don't know how much you

1:04:51

care about her. I imagine you care about her

1:04:53

a lot if you're emailing us about this scenario.

1:04:56

But I would get in front of this now or I

1:04:58

would change course. Let me say it that way.

1:05:00

I would change course and sit her down and say, hey, look, this

1:05:02

has been me feeling

1:05:05

sorry for myself. It's been

1:05:07

really, really tough. And then for me

1:05:09

to then question you is wrong. Make

1:05:12

her feel good about you understanding because you

1:05:14

clearly already are smart enough to understand it

1:05:16

because you're writing in going like, hey, I

1:05:18

keep doing this. This wasn't smart. Tell her,

1:05:21

before you even start the job, go, hey, I've

1:05:23

got to stop this. I mean, unless you want to break

1:05:25

up with her, okay, but it doesn't sound like you do.

1:05:28

And I can only tell you like this is

1:05:31

a very, very common thing where it's almost like

1:05:33

you don't want anything good to happen because this

1:05:35

other thing is that you're taking for granted the

1:05:37

thing that's still there. Because there's a lot of

1:05:39

dudes in your scenario that don't have anybody that

1:05:42

has their back. They're waiting for that person to get their

1:05:44

job. So clearly, she has

1:05:46

something in her about you that you need

1:05:48

to start appreciating more first. And

1:05:51

then yeah, I do think in these

1:05:53

moments when everybody's like, oh, it's never

1:05:56

like whatever working out is, it may

1:05:58

not work out specifically perfectly. the

1:06:00

way you envisioned it,

1:06:03

but what seems to happen, man, is things

1:06:05

just kind of do work out. They do seem

1:06:08

to work out. Think about it. What's the other

1:06:10

one? Yep, you'll never get a job, dude. You're

1:06:12

never going to work for 30 years.

1:06:14

You're going to be, you

1:06:18

know, I don't know. That's not going to

1:06:20

happen, is it? Yeah.

1:06:23

I think this specific situation,

1:06:25

the big chest tap

1:06:27

where you're a little bit vulnerable,

1:06:29

that will work. You're just

1:06:31

like, hey, I've been going through a lot of

1:06:33

stuff and I've been projecting onto you. That'll work.

1:06:35

It works one time. You can't have the big

1:06:37

reveal and then do that again like two weeks

1:06:39

from now or something. That could work. That might

1:06:41

buy you a little bit of grace and then

1:06:43

maybe you talk about your plans. I

1:06:48

don't know how many times you're saying this. Is this

1:06:50

like once a week? You're like, I'm such a fucking

1:06:52

loser. I think this would work if you're like, hey,

1:06:54

listen, I'm sorry. I

1:06:57

don't want to be couch guy forever

1:06:59

and I've been projecting and I'm

1:07:02

working on it. You don't have to say you emailed

1:07:04

us, but clearly you're like, I've been taking steps, whatever.

1:07:06

But that's a one time deal. You can't go back.

1:07:09

But that's definitely a one time deal. You can't

1:07:11

have the big like, I'm sorry, I'm changed. And

1:07:13

then like we're having the same conversation next week.

1:07:15

So wait until you're really

1:07:17

ready to change and then say the spiel

1:07:20

and do your best. Yeah, exactly.

1:07:22

It's okay to be vulnerable and be sad in

1:07:24

the situation. I mean, right. You the way you

1:07:26

described you're like not wanting to be happy

1:07:28

and feeling you could have any happiness in any part of

1:07:30

life. Like I kind of relate to this guy because after

1:07:33

I did that show with scale for a while and then it ended up

1:07:35

getting canceled and I was trying to figure out what the hell I was

1:07:37

going to do. It's just hard. I remember

1:07:39

like I love playing FIFA back then. I

1:07:41

don't really anymore because the game sucks now. But that

1:07:43

was my favorite thing. And I used

1:07:45

to I used to feel so shitty just

1:07:47

like playing video games, even though like I had done

1:07:49

stuff all day to like figure out what my work

1:07:51

situation was. And I'm sitting at home. My wife's like

1:07:54

working and doing all this stuff. And you just feel

1:07:56

like such an asshole. So I totally understand. Like

1:07:59

you're allowed to be vulnerable. and feel like shit, but

1:08:01

yeah, you can't bring her down with you. You

1:08:04

can't be like, I'm your anchor, you need to get out

1:08:06

of here. I wasn't telling my wife, hey, think about your

1:08:08

other options out there because it might not be for ...

1:08:10

After six months, hey, it might not be for me anymore.

1:08:16

The other thing too is, is

1:08:18

there a little bit of a hint of are you not

1:08:20

doing enough, as you said? Maybe because you

1:08:22

really in your heart of hearts feel like you're not

1:08:25

actually doing enough to solve the situation, that it's actually

1:08:27

making it worse because you know that you're not giving

1:08:29

your full potential or living up your

1:08:31

full potential. Maybe that's a little bit part of it, but

1:08:34

I would just say it's okay to feel these ways,

1:08:36

these feelings, but you just can't keep bringing her

1:08:38

down with you, man. You're just going to end up being a

1:08:40

downer and then you're not even going to be the person that

1:08:42

she fell in love with or likes in the first place. Yeah,

1:08:44

that's a great point. That's a great point. Is this a pursuit

1:08:46

of happiness situation? Can you have the job without

1:08:49

this ... You're a

1:08:51

seven pounds guy. I think ...

1:08:55

Can he have the job he wants without finishing this

1:08:57

other major or is it just like you can, but

1:08:59

you just say you won't get a look? You

1:09:02

can technically if you're just a high school diploma,

1:09:05

can get certain types of jobs, but you usually

1:09:07

won't get in the door without a degree. Or

1:09:09

is this like you need both? You

1:09:11

said he's got his masters right, but he's going

1:09:13

for his JD? No, he's not an Esquire. Don't

1:09:16

he's not an Esquire? I don't

1:09:19

know how that works. Yeah,

1:09:21

I don't know that either. I mean, not to bum this guy

1:09:23

out more, but I think I could get like a degree in

1:09:26

botany from Harvard during COVID. I mean,

1:09:28

I had nothing going on. Well,

1:09:30

thanks for listening to all the episodes. I'm sure this is

1:09:32

the last one. I'm not

1:09:34

saying student at school undergrad botany degree

1:09:37

because I would ... Yeah, yeah. Well,

1:09:39

that's what he said he got. That's what gave him trouble. But

1:09:42

I didn't have a girlfriend here,

1:09:44

so yeah, that probably not going

1:09:46

to help. But look, so

1:09:48

Rudy made a great point. We're going to start

1:09:50

becoming the person she didn't fall in love with,

1:09:53

okay? Because anybody that's ever been on the complaint

1:09:55

train in their relationship, whether you're fucking driving it

1:09:57

or passenger, you just start going

1:09:59

like ... Hey, I really dig you but I'm

1:10:01

fucking tired of talking about the same thing

1:10:03

over and over and over again You're not

1:10:05

even you're you're so in your own head

1:10:07

You're not even thinking about your audience of

1:10:09

one here and I want to change the

1:10:11

channel But I can't unless

1:10:14

I throw the TV out the window. All right,

1:10:16

we got a question about Dune Yes

1:10:22

What if I know no I'm not going

1:10:24

this weekend, okay I

1:10:26

know is it out tomorrow or a sorority going

1:10:28

later? It's out tomorrow I believe but I I

1:10:31

got a sick kid. I it's not gonna work

1:10:33

out this weekend for me. Unfortunately. No Anybody

1:10:36

could send in one of those Dune popcorn things Great

1:10:43

refill means whatever that was that was awesome All

1:10:46

right, 26 years old 510 180 pounds bench 225 squat 275 deadlift

1:10:48

315 What's

1:10:53

up fellas? It could be short and sweet a good friend

1:10:55

of mine from college and I are huge Dune fans So

1:10:57

we made plans to see the new sequel on the second

1:10:59

weekend in March I've been looking forward

1:11:02

to seeing it on the big-ass IMAX screen for months,

1:11:04

but our schedules just couldn't make it happen opening weekend

1:11:06

No big deal Is it a code break for me

1:11:08

to see the movie on my own? The

1:11:10

weekend before our plans even though my friend can't make

1:11:13

it I would still see it again with him like

1:11:15

we planned even if I somehow Hated it should I

1:11:17

play dumb when we see it together and act like I

1:11:19

had no idea what was going on I wait until we've

1:11:21

seated in the theater lights go down and just hit him

1:11:23

with by the way saw it

1:11:25

last weekend And it's great damn I Don't

1:11:29

really care about that email until the end it ended really strong because

1:11:31

I think that's kind of funny I

1:11:33

just think it's like look if it was your wife or your

1:11:36

girlfriend or something like that I would say don't do it. I'd

1:11:38

say you're selfish prick It's

1:11:40

another dude. I don't like I

1:11:42

don't know Do you it's

1:11:44

not even about what the guy wants to do

1:11:46

look with the other friend be like are you

1:11:48

serious? Phil you saw dude without me you lied

1:11:52

I don't know man. I don't care actually

1:11:54

is my answer. I don't care because it's it's another

1:11:56

guy Yeah,

1:11:59

I there is Are

1:12:01

you doing brothers? I don't know like the only thing I could

1:12:03

think about this is like maybe Lord of the Rings But I

1:12:05

don't even think I have a friend that says into it as

1:12:07

I am that like I would have this packed with I

1:12:10

don't know I think there is something if you're the other

1:12:12

guy and you know and you're just like man like we're

1:12:14

not doing this together You fucking know everything that's coming like

1:12:16

it might even be harder for you to not be like

1:12:19

oh dude Look here comes look there comes a fucking worm

1:12:21

like it might even be like it might be too hard

1:12:23

for you not to do That I don't know. I think

1:12:25

you know what I would wait. I would wait Well,

1:12:30

it's if you're not doing the right sand dance or

1:12:32

whatever I think but I like I would wait cuz

1:12:34

it's a week I could wait but

1:12:37

yeah, it's a dude at the end of the day if

1:12:39

he makes us think you'd be like get over it Dude,

1:12:41

like what's the difference really under this? I've

1:12:43

done this so I've done this multiple times with my

1:12:45

wife who doesn't really care But and I can't think

1:12:47

of all of them But I saw an interstellar by

1:12:49

myself and then I went back like two weeks later

1:12:52

and saw it in several of my wife and guess

1:12:54

What everybody had a great time. I love that. I

1:12:56

thought twice. That was so I might we need to

1:12:58

see it for time Mean

1:13:01

we're in we're in we're you got a notepad in there It's

1:13:06

probably true it is sadly accurate just lost off

1:13:08

in time for the time That'll

1:13:10

be that'll be another one on repeat But she's not mad

1:13:12

about it because like I'm not like ruining the movie for

1:13:14

her I'm not my my enjoyment was just as high going

1:13:16

to see it the second time and if you're that worried

1:13:18

about it Just don't tell the guy who cares. He's not

1:13:20

gonna find out I'd lie about it if I would go

1:13:22

because one of my favorite things in the world as we

1:13:24

talked about is going to Movie solo. I love it So

1:13:26

if you have an opportunity to do that and then go

1:13:28

with your buddy the next weekend and it's a movie That's

1:13:30

as cool and it's hyped up as dune is then

1:13:33

dude just do it and just keep it on the deal

1:13:35

I think them I love going

1:13:37

to movie solo things kind of funny because

1:13:39

basically once the movie starts you are low Yeah,

1:13:41

it doesn't like Dakota silence. I mean unless you

1:13:43

have the most annoying partner ever, you know,

1:13:45

I don't get it Like

1:13:48

we had the previews are still flies the dust

1:13:50

we see in the closet Let's

1:13:52

go. What if the guy what if the guy turns to

1:13:54

the emailer and looks at him? He goes I can tell

1:13:57

you've seen the spice by your eyes Hahahaha

1:14:01

You- Hahahaha Yeah, you-

1:16:00

Each sold them for 12 to

1:16:02

buy a condo in Brooklyn, which I still own had

1:16:04

25 Bitcoin on Patriots minus three and a half The

1:16:06

Atlanta Super Bowl I worked

1:16:08

in the top of the New York finance world for

1:16:10

almost two decades in the same place was employee Number

1:16:13

one, not sure I want to go there. Maybe someday.

1:16:15

I moved to LA with my wife three years ago

1:16:17

I sit in my converted garage trying to figure out

1:16:19

what the hell to do. Meanwhile, my wife is agented

1:16:22

Agent Ted so

1:16:24

she has representation and finishing her

1:18:00

to do different stuff. You know, there's stuff I'm doing now later on. It's

1:18:02

like, man, I should have done this 20 years

1:18:04

ago. I should have figured out all this stuff before, you know,

1:18:06

and it's just

1:18:08

very common. You know, you just kind of get caught up

1:18:10

in your own shit so much or think you don't have

1:18:12

any time to do any of these things and you get

1:18:15

a little bit older. I mean, the number of soccer practices

1:18:17

I haven't had to pick someone up at or drop somebody

1:18:19

off. Like, I should be a concert pianist

1:18:21

at this point, right? But I'm not. So,

1:18:26

I would never tell anybody like, hey, don't.

1:18:29

But what I would tell you is what is the story that you're

1:18:31

going to tell us? Like what's the

1:18:34

story? Like, hey, I bought crypto. Okay, cool. And then

1:18:36

I had a big bet on the Pats. Cool. What's

1:18:39

the fucking chapter, man? Like, that's

1:18:41

a... Things worked out. That's a thing. That's

1:18:44

a couple beers being like, oh, hey, didn't you have money?

1:18:46

Yeah, let me tell you. I had this many Bitcoin on

1:18:48

the Pats and that. How

1:18:51

many pages is that? Right? Like

1:18:53

you get 200 pages in you? And

1:18:55

what's the point? Like, anytime I think of

1:18:57

any script or anything, I have

1:18:59

now weeded out all the bad ideas because I

1:19:01

never knew what the fucking endings were. Like,

1:19:03

what if you did a thing like this, but then a

1:19:05

guy did this and then it was like, but it was

1:19:07

here, but it was actually there. And you're like,

1:19:10

yeah, what's the ending asshole? And

1:19:13

99 out of a hundred times you're

1:19:15

like, I don't have a good ending.

1:19:17

Like I miss the 80s a little bit because they were

1:19:20

just like, that guy's on SNL? All right, cool. What's the

1:19:22

movie? I don't know. It's just going to be

1:19:24

him for like 85 minutes. 86 is like, cool.

1:19:27

It all worked out because there wasn't

1:19:29

really any goal to that. And

1:19:31

maybe look, there's certainly formulas and what people like and

1:19:33

maybe you don't have to worry about all this stuff

1:19:35

or whatever. But like anytime I'm thinking

1:19:37

of anything that I'm doing, I'm

1:19:40

going, okay, what is the

1:19:42

ending? Why is this going to work? And

1:19:44

even if I were to ever write a book, like I have

1:19:47

the advantage of this audience, which

1:19:49

I would hope I would do a really

1:19:51

good job with and it would make sense to everybody that was

1:19:53

involved in it. So I

1:19:55

would say, have you, you've never sat down and done

1:19:58

anything like. Outline

1:20:00

a chapter. Think of your best

1:20:02

chapter. Think of the story that's the best thing.

1:20:04

Think of the thing that most strangers would be

1:20:07

like interested and entertained by. Okay? Outline

1:20:09

that. We're like, hey, here's, and I

1:20:11

know it sounds real simple and all those outlines we

1:20:13

all hated doing as kids growing up and everything, but

1:20:15

outline it out to where you're like, oh, this is

1:20:18

the story, A, B, and fucking C. All

1:20:20

right? Know what the ending is and then write it to

1:20:22

the end and then give it a little time and then

1:20:24

read that chapter in like two or three weeks. And

1:20:27

if it doesn't suck, congrats, you're

1:20:29

right. All right? You're

1:20:32

120th of the way there. Yeah.

1:20:35

It's just the number of people that will

1:20:37

tell you, oh, I have this great idea and I have

1:20:39

it. Okay, fucking do something about

1:20:41

it. Like do it. And I

1:20:43

don't know what the number of idea

1:20:46

people versus actually writing stuff down. And

1:20:49

look, writing's really hard because you know, it's not

1:20:52

really writing. It's editing the shit you

1:20:54

already wrote. Like the fun part of writing when

1:20:56

you go through like, oh, hey, then this is going to happen and then

1:20:58

I'm going to do this and I'm going to do all these different things.

1:21:00

And then it's like, okay, cool. And I rewrite it 10

1:21:02

fucking times. And even if it's

1:21:05

good, you hate your own words because you've

1:21:07

been reading it over and over and over

1:21:09

again, sometimes every single day for months and months

1:21:11

and months. And I still like it. Okay.

1:21:14

But I'm not even remote. Like

1:21:17

it is not for everybody. Okay.

1:21:20

I think it's, I might, I might not even like it

1:21:22

or be any good at it, but considering I'm alone, it's

1:21:25

like a nice thing. Like, oh, that guy's a writer.

1:21:27

He's by himself all the time. Like, oh, that checks out.

1:21:29

Makes sense. And then they're like, no, he

1:21:31

actually was by himself all the time. Then told me started

1:21:33

writing as a cover. So

1:21:36

as a, as a nonwriter, uh, I

1:21:38

was, it sounds like I

1:21:40

had, I had kicked around the idea when I first got

1:21:43

out here and I was like, well, why don't I also

1:21:45

do this? I was like, maybe there's a limited series short

1:21:47

TV show run of my weird year

1:21:49

off. And it's like, you know, this kid gets,

1:21:51

gets himself kicked out of college and then he

1:21:53

goes, hangs out. Like he has an apartment.

1:21:55

Now he's hanging out with 40 year olds and he's working as

1:21:57

a cook. It's not, I would suppose, whatever. I don't know if

1:21:59

it would work or not. But it was because I was like

1:22:01

do I have like a bunch of like points like could you

1:22:04

write like short stories and see if Those are any good and

1:22:06

then it's like do you have you can do whatever you want

1:22:08

to do you write Right,

1:22:10

but I'm saying for this guy if he wants to

1:22:12

like write a book about his awesome life or crazy

1:22:15

life whatever Adjectives he wants to

1:22:17

use like could you write like what are the big

1:22:19

points like is your short story on the Bitcoin thing?

1:22:21

Is that good enough? Maybe not but like I don't

1:22:23

know did you have like a couple crazy stories you

1:22:25

always tell from this club that you're at or Growing

1:22:28

up like like what are the big

1:22:30

ones? Maybe you put those down and it's just like

1:22:32

alright Yeah, this is good And if these connected through

1:22:35

to other stories you have through characters or anything like

1:22:37

that Is it like is it enough stuff if you

1:22:39

just take the best parts and like are

1:22:42

you even good? Could you even tell that story good? Are

1:22:44

you good at writing that the best part of it? So

1:22:46

I wonder if you just like you could silo those things

1:22:48

into like your big pillars like oh What's the what's the

1:22:50

shit people are gonna say Wow about and if you look

1:22:52

at it and you're like, yeah Maybe it's not I

1:22:55

don't know But I think that way you can

1:22:57

at least feel good about maybe writing the cool

1:22:59

parts of it and seeing if it like do

1:23:01

You even have something here? Like do you have

1:23:03

I just think crazy story guys a very limited

1:23:05

success. Yes, totally Like

1:23:07

that's like Bert Freischer is that guy like who

1:23:09

else is that guy? Well Wolf Wall Street like

1:23:11

clearly, you know That was it's

1:23:13

such an absurd level and it was

1:23:16

actually like a real thing, right? And

1:23:18

he's an incredible storyteller So,

1:23:21

you know, it's not I would never tell

1:23:23

anybody that's it's impossible but

1:23:25

like hey, I'm cool and I have

1:23:28

this crazy story like

1:23:31

There's a lot of guys out there now the

1:23:34

way to separate yourself from start fucking writing words

1:23:36

down And then you're gonna find

1:23:38

out real quick Right and maybe it's gonna

1:23:40

be in the beginning when you get new shoes and new tights

1:23:42

to work out in you're like Oh, man, I'm gonna start

1:23:45

really getting into the gym and then a month

1:23:47

later. The shoes are still on the corner, you

1:23:49

know But at least you'll have had your answer. It's a

1:23:51

lot like moving when you're younger like hey, should I move

1:23:53

away from home? Yeah, you should and if it's a huge

1:23:55

mistake, then you'll know and when you come home, you'll appreciate

1:23:57

it more But you'll have that experience away from it You

1:24:00

kind of have a better understanding of who you are and what you want

1:24:02

out of life. And maybe you'll

1:24:04

sit down and go, holy, like this

1:24:06

sucks. I forgot all my grammar because

1:24:08

of texting and now I don't know how to do

1:24:10

anything. I suck at writing. This

1:24:12

is awful. And then you'll be like, cool, I can

1:24:14

stop thinking about it now. So

1:24:18

anyway, congrats. Good luck. Good

1:24:20

luck with all that. All right. Thanks to

1:24:22

Stefan. Thanks to Saruti. Thanks to

1:24:24

Kyle. Thanks to my guys Sully for

1:24:26

shadowing us this week. Here's your Academy

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