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Welcome to the Podcast, Sadhguru,

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of Mystics & Mistakes. So

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welcome Sadhguruji. It gives

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me immense pleasure on behalf of the entire

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IIT Kanpur community to welcome you here. Thank

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you so much for taking your time out coming

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here. Ever since

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the campus has received news of your arrival,

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we've received thousands of

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questions, we've been flooded with questions and we've

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spent quite some time deciding

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on selecting questions

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which cover the most ground. To

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begin with, so there have been the

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Save the Soil volunteers, we've seen them around campus for

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the past few days. We just

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saw an incredible video of the entire

0:53

campaign and the

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fact that you're traveling 30,000

0:58

kilometers on the motorcycle across

1:00

continents through European winters,

1:02

through Middle Eastern summers, I

1:04

imagine it must be quite strenuous. I saw this

1:07

video where there are people surrounding you and they're

1:09

trying to touch your feet and

1:12

risky as well. So the

1:14

question that came up was in

1:16

this era where there are avenues for mobilizing the

1:18

youth through social media, through the internet. What

1:21

is the significance of you physically taking a

1:23

motorcycle, taking this risk and riding

1:26

30,000 kilometers? Sadhguru-Guru,

1:28

I have spoken to ministries,

1:32

heads of state, various responsible people, groups,

1:48

everybody says, Sadhguru, this is fantastic,

1:50

Sadhguru, this is great what you're

1:52

saying, what you're doing, and then they

1:54

go to sleep. So.

2:00

I've. Been looking at what to do

2:02

to wake up this people because. They're.

2:05

Capable of sleeping to go or.

2:10

Yes, Because.

2:14

Size for remember? Yeah, Since.

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Nineteen Forty Seven Whatever wars have

2:19

happen. Because.

2:21

Of their efficiency of our forces.

2:24

Wars. Have remained only and the borders.

2:28

But. I've been talking to many people

2:30

they believe. lots of for Only and

2:32

Borders. Know.

2:35

What is kept the the border because

2:37

of their efficiency of or forces. If

2:39

they're not good it will be here

2:41

and converse. Hello! So.

2:46

Ah, people have become like

2:48

this. Ah, that able to

2:50

sleep through just about anything. Is.

2:53

Sleep a crime and of. His

2:56

sleep a crime. Not. Sleep.

2:59

Is not guy. But. If

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you sleep through your life you will

3:04

be a disaster. and disasters and worse

3:06

than crimes usually. Crime.

3:08

Effect of you people: Disaster

3:10

wipes out civilizations. So.

3:13

Right now we're facing that kind

3:15

of a disaster. Possible disaster if

3:18

we don't know that I things.

3:21

And I if we walk into it many

3:23

of us will not work out of for

3:26

sure. So.

3:28

It's extremely important that we

3:30

mitigate the disaster. We turn

3:32

back before we enter that

3:34

disastrous face. So.

3:36

As I said, had the years have

3:38

been talking about eight demonstrating it in

3:41

so many ways with large scale projects.

3:43

Are. You get is silly courses.

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Even. Now. You're. Talking

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about thirty thousand kilometers. How

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much carbon monoxide does your we

3:53

can produce? This. A question

3:55

they get and they're voting in the top two

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parter except. That. produces a to

3:59

pin times more carbon dioxide than my

4:01

motorcycle which is Euro 6. Alright.

4:04

I'm saying this is the kind of

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silly conversations that will go on. So

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I thought I had to do same thing to wake them up.

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Can I walk 30,000 kilometers? I will

4:14

die for sure. If

4:17

I cycle, most probably I'll die. Motorcycle,

4:20

I could die but I

4:22

didn't. I could have. Then

4:25

they don't understand the people

4:27

are even talking about, you're riding

4:29

a luxurious motorcycle. The idiot has

4:32

no idea what is two wheels.

4:36

There is no luxury on a motorcycle. It's

4:39

back breaking, all right? But

4:42

they think it is luxurious motorcycle

4:44

like this. Why I'm saying

4:46

this is I'm not concerned about these things

4:50

but unfortunately this

4:52

is the level of understanding people have. How

4:54

do you wake them up? So

4:56

if I drive a car, they won't wake up. If

4:58

I fly around, they won't wake up. So

5:01

I thought motorcycle is dangerous enough.

5:04

It could kill me but it didn't.

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So it's okay. So

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I had to choose that kind of a

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means which is dangerous because

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I don't hold any office. I'm not a minister,

5:16

I'm not a chief minister, I'm not a prime

5:18

minister. I don't wear any

5:20

military uniform or anything to have

5:22

any kind of authority over anybody.

5:25

The only thing is millions of people, they love

5:28

and respect the hold for me. I

5:30

thought I will challenge that by risking my

5:32

life because I put my life

5:34

out there and they saw videos where it could

5:36

be really risky. They haven't seen

5:38

everything, it'll come out slowly because

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they have people have no time to edit, they've

5:43

been simply shooting things. When

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they see that they will realize that this was

5:48

not a joke, this

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was not some joyride. This

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is… this event right now

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in IIT Kanpur is

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my five-hundred-and-thirty-seven-year-old. second event

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in… from March 21st. I

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want you to imagine how many

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hours of work that is when

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I'm writing almost all the

6:12

time I'm talking to

6:14

media, interviews, social media, influences,

6:16

all kinds of things. And

6:19

when you're talking a serious subject and

6:22

writing, trying to get to the next

6:24

event all the time is not a

6:26

joyride and it's terribly risky. So

6:30

the idea of risking my life was at

6:33

least that should wake them up. Unfortunately,

6:35

it has. Till today,

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over 2.5 billion people have

6:41

spoken about soil since

6:44

21st of March, which has never happened in

6:47

the history of this world. It's

6:49

not happened, 2.5 billion people talking

6:51

about soil. When I

6:53

started in London, the day before I

6:55

started, a lady journalist was

6:57

interviewing man said, Sadhguru, why

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soil? Who will ever support you? Why

7:02

are you choosing something so unromantic? At

7:05

least fix the sky, you know. Do

7:08

something, not soil. Who

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will ever be inspired by soil?

7:14

Well, people have been inspired

7:17

by soil and 2.5 billion

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people have responded. Seventy-four nations are

7:22

on board, remaining nations are all

7:24

looking at the policy. And

7:27

in India, we have signed

7:29

MOUs with all the states that we

7:31

have passed through, Gujarat, Rajasthan, UP and

7:34

of course with the Prime Minister, the

7:36

central government is moving in that direction.

7:39

So right now I have no doubt that

7:42

the world will move in this direction. Right

7:44

now the concern is only the pace. At what

7:46

pace will they move? So

7:49

for the pace, this is why we're

7:51

still continuing the journey. To keep

7:53

the pace up, all of you should keep your

7:55

voices up. If You keep your

7:57

voices up, then the governments will… Put.

8:00

Some. Gas. into it. Otherwise

8:02

side really know. It. Was

8:05

shot down here and there so we need

8:07

to keep the base up but as easily

8:09

have shifted the direction. Otherwise, I

8:12

wanted to know this. In the last

8:14

two and a half years, I've been

8:16

talking to Radius Agricultural Ministries. Eighty.

8:19

Five percent of the nation's on

8:21

the planet still address soil and

8:23

as an inert substance, not as

8:25

a living system, But.

8:27

Now this one thing has happened with the

8:29

cop Fifteen when I address this. That.

8:31

Now nations are beginning to recognize soil

8:34

as the largest living system, not just

8:36

on this planet in the known universe.

8:38

this is the largest living system. Been.

8:41

Phenomenon. Things are happening beneath your feet.

8:44

Hello! Whole, you and me are the

8:46

consequence of what is happening in the

8:48

first fifteen to eighteen inches, not just

8:51

because of the food that we eat.

8:53

Even in evolutionary terms, it is so.

8:55

Just. To put this in context. Ah,

8:58

according to scientists their products

9:00

somewhere around a billion years

9:03

ago. For. The first time

9:05

One smart. I'll. Be out

9:07

of on guy. Discovered.

9:09

How's that? food? By.

9:12

Using the put ritual energy of the sun.

9:15

Once. That phenomena started. Today.

9:18

Reported that phenomenon photosynthesis once

9:20

that started only then the

9:22

oxygen content in that must

9:24

be a started improving. Before

9:28

photosynthesis nazis in Lebanon? that must

9:30

be I was a shade or

9:32

one percent. Two. Days is twenty

9:34

one percent. You. And man alive because

9:36

of that. You. And me

9:38

happened because of that complex life

9:40

on this planet happen because of

9:42

the into these in oxygen content

9:44

in the atmosphere. So.

9:47

I would very existence hear our

9:49

revolution began. has happened only because

9:52

of what is happening in the

9:54

first fifteen to. Eighteen

9:56

inches off topsoil. and

9:59

unfortunately we have come to

10:01

a place where nearly fifty percent of the

10:03

topsoil is gone. If there is

10:05

no human footprint on the planet, if there are no

10:08

human beings at all, then

10:10

it would take six hundred to eight hundred years

10:12

to form one inch of topsoil. But

10:15

with the human footprint, with the level of

10:17

activity we are performing right now, one

10:19

inch of topsoil would take thirteen thousand

10:22

years to form. Should

10:24

we not take care of this? I

10:30

think someone risking his own life for the

10:32

better good and going through such

10:34

a strenuous journey deserves a big round of applause

10:36

from everyone. So

10:42

my next question would be, the

10:45

youth today is very aware about mental health

10:47

and mental peace and also the problems related

10:49

to it. But I think, especially

10:52

seeing the students, when it comes to

10:54

themselves, they kind of go into sort

10:56

of denial. So I would quote an example. One

10:59

of my friends, he was going through a very rough

11:01

patch because of many academic

11:03

reasons, personal and family issues as well. So

11:06

some of my friends and I decided that

11:08

they just talked to him about it. And

11:11

we did talk to him about it at length and

11:13

in the end we just said, we

11:15

think it will be better for you if

11:17

you consult a specialist or a therapist. But

11:19

the moment we said it, he

11:21

lashed out and got very offended. So

11:24

do you think there is a way for

11:26

students like us to help

11:28

other students face and deal with these

11:30

problems without offending and hurting their feelings?

11:34

Well, I

11:36

think your problem is that you got admitted

11:38

to your premier institution in the country. So

11:40

you're suffering that. If

11:43

you work at the place, there are so many

11:45

who willing to take it. If

11:53

you quit, there are so many people willing to

11:55

take your place in India. But

11:57

every one of you, there must be ten

12:00

thousand. students waiting to be in

12:02

this institution, you shouldn't be complaining about

12:04

any damn thing out here. So

12:11

mental health, see

12:16

unfortunately in

12:19

our country, it's become

12:21

fashionable to pick up anything that

12:23

comes from the West, good, bad, ugly. Doesn't

12:27

matter what comes. We pick up

12:29

everything from the West, particularly

12:31

from United States of America. I

12:34

think it's the influence of Hollywood and

12:36

music and stuff like that, which

12:39

is such a significant

12:41

influence. I mean, today

12:44

if you look at any of the city

12:46

population, if you go

12:48

to Mumbai or Delhi or even particularly

12:51

Bangalore, if

12:53

you only look below the knees of

12:55

everybody, it looks like you're

12:57

in California because everybody's in

12:59

denims, even here two of you are in denims,

13:02

this girl is still Indian. I'm

13:06

not against denims, I must tell you

13:08

when I was a youth, I

13:11

lived in livas only. Even

13:14

wrangler was considered too bad for us,

13:16

we won't get into wranglers, only

13:19

livas. I lived

13:21

like that. So I'm

13:23

saying that is the level of influence it

13:25

has on us. Simply

13:28

see what these denims are is,

13:30

American workman's clothes, all right?

13:34

But it has become the world's fashion, not

13:36

just in India, just everywhere.

13:40

Is it right wrong? It's not for me to say it. We

13:43

were the ones who started in 60s, 70s. Now

13:45

you're still continuing, I'm happy that our fashion

13:48

is still kept up because

13:50

it was very hard to get livas. Hence,

13:53

it had to be smuggled into India,

13:55

you had to go to some… buy

13:57

some Burma bazaar. You… you need…

14:00

32 inch, they have only 48 inches, you have

14:03

to go and alter it for

14:05

your size, all kinds of problems, okay? Today

14:08

you have your own stuff, you're exactly what you

14:10

want. And because of

14:12

that we would probably, usually have only two

14:15

pairs. Because

14:17

we were riding all the time, the seat of

14:19

the pants will get torn and he will get

14:21

torn, so we put patches on it, leather patches

14:23

on it, all kinds. But now

14:26

you bow tone, pre-tone,

14:32

but the thing continues. So this is not

14:34

a commentary on fashion, but what I'm saying

14:37

is, we're unfortunately picking

14:39

up various attitudes which are

14:41

negative to life, mental

14:44

illness. This

14:47

is a very unpopular thing to say,

14:50

already I have been attacked for this

14:52

continuously and trolled continuously, but I'll

14:55

tell you the truth, whether you like it or you

14:57

don't like it, if you want to troll, you can

14:59

troll, if you want to realize, you can

15:01

realize. There is

15:03

this. You

15:07

know, according to the genetic scientists, they

15:11

say the difference, DNA

15:13

difference between you and the

15:15

chimpanzee is only 1.23%. 1.23%,

15:21

do you pass any subject in

15:23

this institution? Hello? Teachers,

15:27

professors, do you pass anybody for

15:29

1.23%? No. 1.23%

15:33

is not much of a percentage, isn't it? But

15:37

that is the DNA difference between

15:39

you and the chimpanzee. So physiologically,

15:41

that is how close we are

15:43

to a chimpanzee. But in

15:45

terms of intelligence and awareness, we're world's

15:48

apart from a chimpanzee and this is

15:50

our problem. We have an

15:52

intelligence for

15:54

which there is no stable enough

15:56

platform, unless you work on it.

16:00

Because there is no stable enough platform,

16:02

your own intelligence freaks you every day

16:04

in and day out. You

16:07

can give it… It seems I was talking

16:10

to some top psychiatrists in

16:12

UK, and they were

16:14

saying there are seventy-two varieties

16:16

of psych… psychological ailments. One

16:19

of them happens to be compulsive nose-speaking.

16:23

I was surprised, but it seems nose-speaking

16:25

is one of the psychological

16:28

ailments. So

16:30

there are seventy-two of them, you can choose which one

16:32

you want, I don't know which one your friend chose. But

16:37

essentially, your

16:39

intelligence has turned against you. You

16:43

understand what I'm saying? If

16:45

your intelligence was working for you, would

16:48

you torture yourself with your own intelligence,

16:50

I'm asking. Your

16:53

intelligence is here to make this

16:55

wonderful. But right

16:57

now, your intelligence is working to

16:59

make this horrible. Should

17:02

we address this in a fundamental way or

17:05

should we push it

17:07

around this and say, give it all kinds of

17:09

names and this and that? There

17:12

are some people who are unfortunately pathologically

17:14

ill, that's a different matter. Most

17:17

other psychological ailments, if you are willing,

17:19

only if you are willing, if you

17:22

are willing, you can turn yourself around. But

17:27

with both even physical and

17:29

psychological ailments, lot of people like ailments

17:31

because they get lot of attention when

17:34

they are not very well. But

17:36

what is the use of that attention? You

17:39

can live without such attention. Hello?

17:42

See, this is developed from

17:44

childhood. When you are

17:46

a little boy, if you

17:49

are happy and jumping all over the place, your

17:51

parents will come and say, shut up, go

17:54

to bed, read something. But

17:57

if you are sitting in a corner, boo-boo-boo-boo,

18:00

in Bhagavad Gokis, you and boo boo

18:02

boo, what happening to you? All

18:04

this you got the best attention. So

18:06

somewhere deep inside you think being

18:08

miserable is better than being joyful.

18:12

For this you pay a whole price. This

18:15

develops from a very early age in

18:18

most homes and evolves into various other

18:20

things. Situations will come

18:22

in our lives in

18:25

a way that we can't imagine many times. If

18:30

only situations that you

18:32

expect comes, you are not

18:34

doing anything worthwhile. If

18:37

you are doing something worthwhile, so many situations that

18:39

you don't know how to handle will come to

18:41

you. Every time a situation

18:43

comes that you are

18:46

a little challenged by that

18:48

situation, if you are going

18:50

to internally break down, well

18:54

this life is not going to go very far. Doesn't

18:58

matter whether we go as far as somebody

19:00

else or not, but we

19:02

must find full expression to what

19:04

this is. It's very important because

19:07

every life is aspiring to find

19:09

fullest expression. It's not just

19:11

about human beings. Whether it's

19:13

an ant or an insect or an elephant

19:16

or a mango tree, they

19:18

are all striving to become full-fledged whatever

19:20

they are. The same is

19:22

true with a human being. But

19:24

unfortunately because once

19:27

again coming back to education right from

19:29

kindergarten school, they are telling

19:31

you how you must be ahead of somebody else, it doesn't

19:34

matter even if you are no good. You

19:38

must be number one. If

19:40

I must be number one, what should everybody else

19:42

be? All must be below me. So

19:45

my whole pleasure is everybody else is

19:48

doing worse than me. This is sickness

19:50

as far as I'm concerned. This is

19:52

not well-being. So like this we

19:54

have developed many things because

19:56

of this human being's suffering. The

19:59

fragile The Of the Mind. Your

20:02

own intelligence turning around and whole thing. You.

20:06

That. Are ways to turn this about? This

20:09

lens this country this concern is

20:11

deeply invested in the inner

20:13

well of the human v. And.

20:16

As today, w had to

20:19

always predicting a mental health,

20:21

illness or mental health pandemic.

20:23

I'm sorry. Mental.

20:25

Health? Random. it means what a

20:27

pandemic means. These. If any

20:29

one person here. Has

20:32

something A wireless. All.

20:35

Of us could get his. That's a pandemic.

20:38

Mental. Health Pandemic Meetings. Every

20:41

one of us is capable of one who

20:43

go right now. This.

20:45

Is not a good world with the it. Because.

20:49

Human being means. You're.

20:51

A flower of evolution on this planet.

20:54

You have the big of this evolution, isn't it?

20:57

Hello! You're. On top of

20:59

the world. But you're not experiencing life as

21:01

top of the world. You feel oppressed by

21:03

own intelligence. If you had the brain of

21:05

a not Salaam you would be peace when

21:07

puts you on. And

21:09

off. And you'd be profoundly to

21:11

a.