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Alright. Welcome to hot seat, Grant f

1:05

Smith. No.

1:06

I'm skinned. Hey. Hey, everybody

1:08

on the line. I got the great Grant Smith.

1:11

He's my good buddy, and he wrote hundred books

1:13

about the Israel lobby in there, above

1:15

board and below board activities in the

1:17

United States of America, including ceiling

1:19

weapons, crazy uranium, and nuclear

1:22

triggers, and all of that.

1:23

And what

1:24

he is is he's the director

1:26

of the Institute for Research

1:29

Middle Eastern Policy, that's ear map,

1:32

IRMEP ear map dot

1:34

org. And what you do is just go to Google

1:36

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1:38

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1:41

IRMEP dot org space

1:44

dot pdf. and

1:45

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1:47

what he does is he suits some

1:49

of the Freedom of Information Act and

1:52

uses other avenues to get

1:54

his hands on primary source

1:56

documents to tell the true

1:58

history

1:59

of the Israel

1:59

lobby and what in that they

2:02

get away within this country, which is just

2:04

about beyond belief. So

2:06

welcome back to the show, my friend, Grant. How are you?

2:08

Hey, Scott. Great to be back. Thanks

2:10

for the great intro

2:12

and it is true that we're spending

2:15

a lot of time in our budget getting

2:17

documents to Foya and it's

2:19

been tough couple years because

2:22

it just kinda got slow there during

2:24

COVID, but we're back on track. Alright.

2:26

Well, good. Again,

2:28

that's IRMEP dot

2:30

org. And also check

2:32

out all of Grant's books at Amazon.

2:34

There's a bunch of them, and they're great. So

2:36

listen,

2:39

I gotta ask you first of all about

2:41

the return of Benjamin Netanyahu

2:43

to the prime ministerness over there

2:45

in Israel

2:47

and

2:48

especially his alliance

2:51

some of these

2:53

Thank you very much. Further right

2:56

parties. Yeah. Israel.

2:59

Can you please give us a low down on what has

3:01

happened here in what

3:02

you think it means for the near term? Well,

3:05

I mean, he's that Yahoo has

3:07

basically made common cause

3:10

with one of the most extreme politicians,

3:13

Ben Veyer, who has been, you

3:15

know, kind of a

3:18

cock party light. I'm sorry.

3:20

What's his name again?

3:21

the

3:22

Ben Gavir. Okay. Just

3:24

you said it fast. I wanna make sure we're clear because this

3:26

is a new character for a lot of us here. Yeah.

3:29

And he's from the what party and is what's

3:31

so what about him? I don't

3:32

I don't know that I can name the party,

3:35

but thing that was important

3:37

to me and struck me was that he was a big

3:39

supporter of the

3:41

terrorists who killed a bunch of trying

3:44

Palestinians with a machine gun

3:46

back in the nineties and

3:48

was, you

3:49

know, basically have the guy's portrait on

3:51

his wall until he was finally

3:54

convinced to take it down. But this this

3:56

is a hardcore pro

3:59

the ethnic cleansing job,

4:02

push all the Palestinians out of the

4:04

West Bank. If you can get away with it, type

4:08

radical who is

4:10

going to be taking some sort

4:12

of extremely important position within

4:14

the Netanyahu administration I

4:17

think you know, he's so unpalatable

4:20

that even the Biden administration is

4:23

trying to distance itself

4:25

from him And,

4:27

you

4:27

know, they've had the ambassador,

4:30

Tom Knight's, US

4:32

ambassador to Israel,

4:35

basically say that they're not gonna

4:37

accept any sort of annexation. They're

4:39

kind of putting out

4:41

some unusually strong

4:43

statements

4:44

for

4:45

the usually completely

4:47

in Israel's pockets Joe

4:50

Biden and

4:52

kind of putting up some

4:54

red flags that they don't want to see

4:56

crossed. But, you

4:57

know, as I I was talking to Eric

5:00

Harris a few days ago, We

5:02

don't really follow Israeli

5:04

elections as much as we follow

5:06

Israel's interventions

5:09

in our elections through

5:11

the for

5:12

an influence operation that they set

5:15

up in this country, now known as APAC.

5:17

So you

5:19

know, there's some there's some great Israeli

5:21

journalists who are

5:23

basically asking

5:25

their western contacts for information

5:27

and sponsorship of immigrating

5:29

at this point over this. Oh,

5:32

man.

5:33

Well, Yeah.

5:34

I mean, it's really important that,

5:37

you

5:37

know, the the

5:39

party

5:40

of

5:42

old rabbi

5:44

Khane -- Right.

5:45

-- who was assassinated by

5:48

Egyptian islamicahat in New York in

5:50

nineteen ninety.

5:51

Yes. His party was banned by

5:53

the Israeli Supreme Court for

5:55

being quote fascist.

5:57

And he said, like, yeah, if you guys are so far

5:59

to the right

5:59

that you're

6:01

demanding the expulsion of

6:03

the millions of Palestinians remaining

6:06

on the West Bank under Israeli control

6:08

there.

6:08

that's that's just too far it's illegal

6:11

for you to be a political party in

6:13

Israel. So this guy just

6:14

changed their name and has the same policy

6:17

essentially, but comes

6:19

from that same spectrum. And

6:21

that's really something because Israel's a pretty right wing

6:23

society overall anyway.

6:25

So, you know, politically. So

6:27

when it comes to a guy

6:29

like this being too distasteful,

6:32

like, wow, he really did

6:34

something wrong. You know? Exactly.

6:36

And, you know, it's but,

6:39

you know, it the

6:40

US has kinda helped precipitate this

6:43

situation by, I

6:45

would say, erroneously removing

6:47

the CAC Party from the

6:50

FBI list of terrorist

6:53

organizations because they clearly were a

6:55

terrorist organization. So

6:57

the US you know, it needs

6:59

to stop doing things like that if it

7:01

wants to be seen as any sort of

7:03

honest broker, which it's

7:05

never been, but

7:08

Yeah. It's, you know, the US

7:10

I'm sure they'll find a way some modus

7:13

Vivendi and miss

7:15

Thomas Nies, although he's saying,

7:17

no annexation was also

7:19

quick to

7:20

phone Netanyahu and congratulate him

7:22

and all of that. So they're you

7:24

know, both sides are gonna be working over time

7:26

to paper over, what's

7:28

going on. And so

7:31

I I don't expect too

7:33

much more other than this

7:35

recent sort of, you

7:38

know, red flag that's been

7:40

thrown down. Yeah. Well,

7:41

and, you know,

7:43

that's the thing. It shouldn't obscure the real

7:45

controversy, which is, oh, god.

7:48

Benjamin Netanyahu is back.

7:50

just

7:50

when he was not there.

7:53

Now here he is again. But, you

7:55

know, I did read that this guy, I

7:57

guess, it's not settled yet. But

8:00

If he takes his presumed position,

8:02

he'll have control over the temple mount.

8:04

Right.

8:04

So he's like, oh, good. I'm gonna start.

8:07

sacrifice in animals and bring on the

8:09

second comment to all this now. Okay. He's

8:11

like that yeah. He's gonna see his great political

8:14

sort of benefit

8:16

to stirring up the

8:18

temple mount and

8:20

and talking about, you know, all

8:22

of this replacing the

8:25

film

8:25

with a rock with the the temple and

8:27

all of that. So it's, you know, he's clearly

8:29

a bomb thrower and

8:32

clearly, you

8:34

know, really respects some real

8:36

bomb plot throwers. So, you

8:38

know, that doesn't make it too different

8:40

than some of Israel's former prime

8:42

ministers who were basically in

8:44

terrorist organizations back in the

8:46

day. So, you know, they've kind of got a history

8:48

of this. And

8:51

I'm sure though it'll be paperred over. So

8:53

-- Yeah.

8:53

-- we'll we'll just have to see. Alright.

8:56

Well, anyway, I know your specialty

8:58

is the

8:59

Israel lobby in the United States.

9:01

But of course, it's a huge part of

9:03

how

9:03

Israel could be run by such a

9:05

bunch of right wing cooks if they just had to

9:07

deal with the European Union or whatever, they

9:09

would have insisted long ago that you guys

9:12

move left or lose support. And

9:13

-- Yeah. But with the Americans, they

9:15

just got our Congress completely locked

9:17

stock and barrel. And I don't know how much of

9:20

it is blackmail mean, we

9:22

know from Edward

9:23

Snowden and Glen Greenwald

9:25

and the Guardian that

9:26

the

9:27

NSA turns over their entire hall

9:29

to Israel every day. Yeah.

9:32

That's amazing. And, you know, they're They

9:34

don't even need Jeffrey Epstein to

9:36

get everybody laid by a seventeen year old

9:38

or whatever and and trick them and

9:40

blackmail them. when they just

9:42

are in everybody's cell phone in their

9:44

pocket.

9:44

Lots of redundancy there.

9:46

And, yeah, I I've

9:48

already seen some stuff coming out,

9:50

some sort of apologetics over the

9:53

religious scientist party being emitted

9:55

by some major federation

9:58

umbrella groups. So

9:59

the the nodes of the

10:02

Israel affinity ecosystem,

10:04

as I sometimes call it, gonna be working overtime

10:06

to sort of whitewash

10:09

this guy and give him,

10:11

you know, the the history that he's

10:13

gonna need to serve five. But,

10:15

you

10:15

know, who knows how long the last how many

10:18

elections has Israel had over the past

10:20

couple of years? It's it's not exactly

10:22

demonstrating much stability

10:24

and continuity. So, you

10:26

know,

10:26

maybe maybe he won't contribute

10:29

to its longevity in its present

10:31

form.

10:31

Yeah. Well, I mean,

10:33

the worst thing about Netanyahu is how

10:35

much influence he has in DC. I mean,

10:37

this guy, Bennett, was never a nice guy. But

10:39

when he was the prime minister, it was like, who's

10:41

Bennett again? which

10:42

-- Right. -- and and he had

10:44

dropped some of the worst stuff that he had at

10:46

least been saying. I don't know exactly

10:48

about his record, but I

10:50

know that it's not the kind of thing where he comes

10:52

to town and all the Republicans and Democrats

10:54

line up to kiss his shoes in the way that they do

10:56

for Netanyahu. So Yeah.

10:58

I'm

10:58

not sure that would happen though. If you think

11:01

about sort of the roll call that's

11:03

been taking place at APAC for

11:05

years and years where both

11:07

parties go to the Washington

11:09

Convention Center and

11:11

stand to attention to, you

11:14

know, any sort of video feed or

11:16

live presentation of

11:18

Netanyahu. I don't think they could do that right

11:20

now. They the protests have been

11:22

growing every year And

11:25

as we talked about earlier in the year,

11:27

APAC, the lead lobbying

11:29

node has pivoted to strictly

11:32

moving money around, and they're not

11:34

even trying to do their signature

11:37

public policy events and lobbying

11:39

day here in Washington and we've been looking for that,

11:41

and it doesn't look like it's gonna happen next

11:43

year either. Yeah.

11:44

As this progresses on Twitter

11:47

growing, that APAC had dumped

11:49

millions of dollars into trying

11:51

to

11:51

the

11:52

support a Republican and defeat this

11:54

Democrat woman in, I think, Pennsylvania.

11:57

and

11:57

that they lost anyway. And

11:59

then

11:59

progressions were crowed. Yeah. Uh-huh.

12:02

Summer. Exactly. They tried

12:04

pretty hard to bumper

12:06

off. And I for one thought they

12:08

were gonna succeed because they've had so many

12:10

successes this year, but

12:12

it looks like the

12:14

power of the dollar couldn't win and

12:16

summer leaves the projected winner,

12:18

if not the winner by this time of House

12:20

District twelve. So Interesting.

12:22

And so, well, hopefully,

12:24

they

12:25

caused a grudge and a vendetta

12:27

there. You know, I don't know. There's

12:29

that one lady from the Midwest

12:31

who just got reelected too. Is

12:34

it Murray? Who's pretty good on

12:36

Israel? who,

12:36

for whatever reason, they can't unelect

12:39

her. Yeah. I

12:41

mean, there are certain people that

12:43

they don't seem to be able to, like

12:46

she to play, you know,

12:48

easily won. And it's because she

12:50

really, you know, I

12:52

think embodies what

12:54

her community is all about. So

12:57

for certain districts,

13:00

it doesn't matter how much APAC

13:03

sort of dark money

13:05

gets pumped into the election. They're

13:07

going to just waste it. Patty

13:09

Murray of

13:10

Washington.

13:12

So,

13:13

yeah,

13:14

there there have been some some

13:17

pretty good pretty

13:19

good wins You know, other

13:21

times though, they clearly could have spent

13:23

more and just didn't. As we talked

13:25

about, you know, each one of these seats is

13:27

worth around thirteen million to fifteen

13:29

million. It take the whole aid package and divide it by

13:31

members of Congress. So, you

13:33

know, if you look at it that way,

13:35

hey, Israel can get weapons, they

13:37

can't get anywhere else. if

13:39

these congresspeople are all on

13:41

board, it's worth a lot to APAC

13:43

to make sure the right people

13:45

win. And you know,

13:47

they they really don't take any

13:49

principled stance if people are gonna

13:51

support the big aid package and

13:53

unconditionally praises. Real, they're

13:55

gonna get Apex support. So it's

13:58

pretty

13:58

amazing.

13:59

But as as we talked about last

14:02

time and I hate to to do this

14:04

on your show. There's a whole thirteen

14:06

part series that we put out,

14:09

which was like an audiobook, except

14:11

it's free called How Israel made APAC, which

14:13

really looks at all the money

14:15

Israel and its proto

14:17

government, the Jewish agency pumped into

14:19

the US, to set

14:21

up a pack. And, you know,

14:23

nobody in the mainstream

14:25

media is ever gonna say that a pack

14:27

is really a foreign influence operation,

14:29

but But we certainly will

14:31

and have the research to back it

14:33

up because everything in that

14:35

podcast is fully cited

14:37

in a three hundred and fifty page

14:40

updated book called how it's real

14:42

main APAC. So there's just

14:44

no questioning. You know, the

14:46

money may be mostly American now,

14:48

but APAC was not set up with US

14:50

funds. And the people who set

14:52

it up definitely

14:55

were very honest in

14:57

their own never

14:59

read biographies about how it all

15:01

came to be. So this, to

15:03

me, is the biggest foreign

15:05

influence on American elections.

15:07

There's just You can talk about Russia or

15:09

China all you want, but Israel

15:11

has the influence and it's

15:13

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15:15

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16:43

yeah, people really should look at that how

16:45

Israel made a

16:47

pack and you can find it on YouTube

16:49

and, of course, at earmet dot org.

16:51

Now check this out. On

16:53

October twenty fourth two thousand twenty

16:55

two, earmep received a trove

16:57

of

16:57

FBI files requested

17:00

in two thousand nineteen under

17:02

the Freedom of Information Act. Well,

17:04

tell us

17:04

all about that grant. Yeah.

17:07

So this is what I'm saying that it was

17:09

a slow period during COVID,

17:11

and we got hardly anything,

17:13

and then suddenly we get

17:15

this. And

17:16

just to back up a little

17:18

bit, you

17:18

know, we've been trying to

17:20

get information about the ADL

17:23

ever since we found out a

17:25

decade or more ago that it had

17:27

this major influence on the

17:29

FBI. And so,

17:31

you know, the jager

17:34

Hoover was resisting a

17:36

lot of pressure from the ADL

17:38

to share FBI

17:41

files, to collaborate

17:43

on joint investigations and

17:45

all these undo, utterly

17:48

unacceptable things the ADL was trying

17:50

to do in the nineteen

17:52

forties, but he he finally collapsed

17:54

and decided that he was

17:56

going to have each of his

17:59

field office offices liaise with

18:01

their anti defamation,

18:04

league, counterpart

18:05

in quotes,

18:07

regional

18:07

offices. And so, you know,

18:09

why is this important today? Well,

18:12

Christopher Rae of the FBI was

18:15

just presenting at the

18:17

ADL's National Conference

18:20

this week. And

18:22

on November ten, he basically

18:25

stood there and talked

18:28

about how wonderful the training

18:30

curriculum the ADL gives

18:33

all budding agents, which has been

18:35

going on for two decades,

18:37

how wonderful that is,

18:39

and

18:39

how motivated

18:40

his officers were when they

18:43

visited the Holocaust see

18:45

a police officer standing next to a Nazi

18:47

SS officer, quote, failing

18:49

to protect people from harm,

18:52

unquote, So

18:53

the ADL has been brainwashing

18:55

the FBI for two

18:57

decades to really sort of

18:59

adopt the world view

19:01

of

19:01

not only the ADL, but the Israel

19:04

lobby that basically it's

19:06

a great thing for

19:08

the ADL to have this Law

19:11

enforcement Exchange where

19:13

sheriffs and police and

19:16

all sorts of federal

19:20

officers are going for

19:22

training homeland security

19:25

by the Israelis to basically

19:27

function as a subtler colonial

19:29

police force. And so

19:31

if Christopher Ray had

19:33

any semblance of being balanced.

19:35

He would have pulled out a picture of an

19:37

Israeli police officer with his knee on

19:39

the neck of a Palestinian and

19:42

asked himself whether that's a great

19:44

example for the training of US

19:46

police. But, you know,

19:48

so watching Rae do

19:50

his performance at the ADL

19:52

conference on November ten was

19:54

kind of a reminder of

19:57

how damaging this relationship

19:59

is,

19:59

but also how little people know about

20:02

it. So this trove of documents

20:04

we received was

20:05

basically just an open foyer

20:08

request with the ever present

20:10

threat of a lawsuit next

20:12

to the bottom of it saying we wanna

20:14

know about all communications between the

20:16

FBI and the ADL.

20:18

And essentially,

20:19

what we found is that if

20:22

anything, the number, the year

20:24

number of meetings taking

20:26

place between FBI

20:30

enforcement people and

20:32

the ADL has just skyrocketed.

20:35

They're constantly meeting with

20:37

each other under

20:39

this program

20:40

that

20:41

the ADL has set

20:44

up, which

20:44

is the law

20:47

enforcement liaison

20:49

channel and continually

20:51

swapping information, doing

20:54

training events,

20:55

And

20:56

basically, the law

20:59

enforcement exchange advisory

21:01

committee, it's called Liac is

21:03

taking up a

21:04

substantial amount of their time.

21:07

One of

21:07

the interesting things that we

21:10

uncovered was that the ABL has

21:12

created a new category.

21:14

We hadn't seen this before in any of our

21:16

previous Foyas, which is

21:19

designed to trigger the

21:21

FBI's legal obligation to

21:23

investigate potential violations

21:25

of the so called

21:27

Matthew Shepherd and James Bird hate

21:29

crimes prevention act, which makes it

21:32

unlawful for people to conspire to

21:34

intimidate or hurt or threaten everybody

21:38

and their privileges under the

21:41

constitution. So they've designed these

21:43

reports that they pump into

21:45

the FBI of threats

21:47

to mainly Jewish

21:49

organizations and synagogues

21:51

and things like that. But

21:54

This time

21:54

around, they pumped in a report which

21:57

was

21:58

targeting

21:59

this White

22:02

nationalist organization called

22:04

Vanguard, and

22:07

they detailed how

22:09

this was sending

22:11

people and unfhralling banner

22:15

Vanguard America to their

22:17

website with threatening messages

22:19

And then tacked in friends of

22:21

Sabiel in the American Muslim

22:24

alliance, which are two

22:25

too underfunded,

22:26

I would

22:29

say very humble

22:31

pro Palestinian organizations at

22:33

the bottom of the report.

22:35

So there's a really clear effort to

22:38

conflate Vanguard America

22:40

with friends of Seville North

22:42

America and the American Muslim alliance

22:45

And,

22:45

you know,

22:46

even the FBI as gullible

22:49

as it is disregarded this

22:51

by saying basically that

22:54

the

22:54

ADL has a

22:57

political

22:57

difference with these two

23:00

organizations as

23:02

they put it to the ADL as an ideological

23:05

disagreement with friends of Seville, and there is

23:07

no threat reporting. So

23:09

you know, it's a I see it as

23:11

kinda something new the ADL's trying.

23:14

You just file this very

23:16

scary looking threat report and then like

23:18

a mixing bowl, you throw in some

23:20

other organizations. And who knows?

23:22

Pretty soon, maybe the US will

23:24

have a law allowing

23:26

the lobby and Israel affinity

23:29

groups to recommend shuttering the

23:32

US headquarters of defensive

23:35

children, international, and some of the other

23:37

groups that have been shuttered in

23:39

Israel

23:39

as the police and

23:42

other state actors basically

23:44

put steel barriers

23:46

on the doors of all

23:48

of these organizations and shut them down

23:51

with offensive children international. They're notorious terrorists.

23:54

Right.

23:54

Hey. I mean, I think in there

23:56

an important lesson for the right here that you

23:58

see what they do,

23:59

they take actual Hitler

24:02

loving violent Nazis who will

24:04

stab some innocent black

24:06

guy or massacre Jews

24:08

at their synagogue or something. And

24:10

then they're trying to equate that

24:13

with run of

24:13

the mill, essentially Arab

24:16

charities -- Right. -- and

24:18

Muslim groups the same

24:20

way that they conflate

24:22

those extremely dangerous

24:24

dangerous terrorist Nazi types

24:27

with regular right wingers who show up at

24:29

city council meetings, who show up at

24:31

school board meetings, and say, hey, I don't like

24:33

the way these things are going now. They go,

24:36

oh, you sound like a domestic terrorist to me.

24:38

When here they are participating in

24:40

Democratic politics. Nope.

24:42

Not good enough. So there

24:44

is a That's the same thing they do

24:46

to Muslims too. It's the same thing they've

24:48

been doing with the right wing's descent.

24:50

for the last twenty years. Now it's

24:53

blowing back a little bit.

24:55

And, you know, how about we just insist

24:57

on fairness for everybody? This kind of thing

24:59

is crazy, man.

25:00

Yeah. It is crazy, and it's

25:03

unbalanced, it's unhinged. And, yeah, I agree

25:05

completely. It's the

25:07

FBI is not I mean, they are

25:09

adopting the world view of

25:11

the ABL, and the ABL

25:13

is basically a transmission belt for a

25:15

lot of other organizations, including

25:18

APAC. in terms of some really

25:20

weird, you know,

25:23

propositions, you know, despite

25:25

just by dense of

25:27

longevity, you

25:28

know, you have

25:30

the FBI focusing more

25:34

on

25:35

things that the ADL is telling

25:37

them is the sacred truth, like

25:39

the bombing of the Amia center

25:42

in Argentina. It's just

25:44

an article of faith now

25:46

that elements

25:47

within the Argentine government

25:49

during the dirty war couldn't have possibly

25:51

had anything to do with that, that

25:53

it was definitely has

25:55

been law. You know, and it's

25:57

you know, these are these

25:59

are

25:59

the entities that are

26:02

training the FBI, and

26:05

they pretty much have to swallow these

26:07

things as fact

26:08

even though there's a lot of evidence

26:10

to the contrary. I think

26:13

one of the best new pieces.

26:15

I know Garrett Porter's been doing reporting

26:17

on that for quite a while. Of

26:19

course. taken

26:20

some of the threads apart. But it really,

26:22

you know, it really alters I

26:24

think the FBI's

26:29

willingness to inflict violence on

26:31

Americans when they have all of these sort

26:33

of

26:33

myths in their mindset

26:35

and are spending so much time training

26:37

with the ADL. They will they have

26:39

not released any of the training

26:42

materials

26:42

that the ADL has

26:45

been pumping into their special

26:47

agent trainees. We've asked for

26:49

it

26:49

year after year. They haven't

26:52

released not even that single curriculum

26:54

But we do have an idea now

26:57

because of this latest piece

26:59

what some of the law

27:01

enforcement advisory council

27:03

people are doing, and we put out AAA little

27:05

piece on that as well. So

27:07

the law enforcement advisory

27:09

committee actually sent special

27:12

agents to

27:13

go to an exhibit called

27:16

operation finale, the capture and

27:18

trial of Adolf Eichmann. in

27:21

Illinois. And so these agents

27:23

had to traips through this exhibit,

27:26

honoring Rafael, a Tom,

27:28

the Israeli operative

27:30

and long term mossad

27:32

officer and his brilliant

27:34

kidnapping of the Nazi ADolf

27:36

Eichmann in Argentina so

27:38

it could be taken back to Israel,

27:41

tried and executed. You

27:42

know, and it's kind of it's

27:45

kind of interesting to imagine

27:47

these officers who don't know anything, traipsing

27:49

through the exhibit. They don't know Rafael

27:51

a time. Rand Jonathan

27:53

Pollard against the United

27:55

States and what was the biggest and most

27:58

damaging intelligence theft

28:00

in American history. They don't

28:02

know Rafael Eton was visiting

28:04

the Nuclear Materials and Equipment

28:06

Corporation in Apollo, Pennsylvania.

28:08

You know, the

28:09

plant we've talked about four,

28:12

which lost enough weapons, grade

28:14

uranium to fuel twelve bombs.

28:16

By the way, Grant, I was at an event

28:18

recently, and I medicated who said,

28:20

oh, yeah. I heard you talking all

28:23

about that new mixed stuff

28:25

recently. I can't refer was to interview you,

28:27

who was referring to, or it it might have come up

28:29

in something But anyway, he was, yeah, he

28:31

used to mow the lawn at that site. You know what he

28:33

said? So yeah. I think he was, like, did

28:35

the

28:35

landscaping at that

28:38

nuclear wasteland. man, I

28:40

hope you wore a mask. Well,

28:42

I know I told, man, I hope you

28:44

got some strong chemotherapy. Yeah. No

28:47

kidding. But I mean, so these So this is

28:49

what I'm talking about. This is the brainwashing of,

28:51

you know, the premier law

28:53

enforcement agency. They don't know anything

28:55

about this. They don't know that the

28:58

operation they're honoring at this

29:01

ADL event was

29:02

by somebody who probably did more

29:04

harm to the US than

29:06

any other foreign spy, and

29:09

they're just drinking this stuff

29:11

up. So it really

29:12

it really

29:14

twists I think the whole

29:17

counterintelligence mission. I mean,

29:19

I mentioned in the report that there used

29:22

to be a

29:22

counterintelligence national

29:25

counterintelligence center report on

29:27

economic

29:27

espionage, which always

29:29

put Israel in the top three

29:32

offenders

29:32

of stealing secrets that could

29:34

be put to economic use. But

29:37

I would think that any FBI

29:39

special agent constantly going

29:41

to ADL events slotting

29:44

Israeli spies would probably be less

29:46

interested in protecting the

29:48

US from that, especially when

29:50

they see a political poll of these organizations and,

29:52

you know, probably looking for husband

29:55

longer every bush and and nook

29:57

and cranny in the US. Yeah.

29:59

everybody, please regranced books.

30:03

His biggest best one is big

30:05

Israel, but then there's also the Israel lobby

30:07

interstate government. divert about

30:09

them stealing all the uranium and the

30:11

rest of that. And the latest is this great

30:13

audiobook, how Israel made

30:15

APAC and just check out everything

30:17

he's got at ir mep air

30:19

map dot org. Thank you, sir.

30:20

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