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seven ninety dot com. All right, Aaron, for folks out there,

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I know OTAs not mandatory. Let let me start with this, and I

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know I'm this is my hang up and maybe nobody else's, but it bugs

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me if you're not having a child with your wife or your significant other,

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somebody's not hurt or sick and it's a new coach and I talked about this

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all over the league. Or you just want to be there without participating,

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but be in the meeting room. Why even though it's voluntary, why wouldn't

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everybody show up. I look at it differently, so yeah, I guess

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we don't agree about that, but yeah, I think that if you're a

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proven veteran, then you don't need to be there, and I don't see

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the benefits for that player. And you know, they're literally not required.

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You know, voluntary is voluntary. If you don't feel like you need to

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be there, then you shouldn't have to be there. I mean certain players

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like Sheldon Rankins, Oh he's not there. Emilly Collins has been there for

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other partitions of the offseason. You know, Larmy Tunsel in a Pro Bowl

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season, he wasn't here a year ago. He's probably the best example.

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I know, he just got twenty five million a year. People say,

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oh, why can't he doesn't? You know, he kind of knows what

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he has to do with his body for the offseason. And so you know,

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if you're a Steven Nelson or other guy that I started for nine years,

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do you need to be there? Yeah, you do in my opinion,

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And we'll have this bat. I'll tell you why for me and for

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me okay, and and I understand where you're coming from and need to be

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there. No, but dude, there's a difference in need and it would be nice and let me ask you this as uh, how many times is

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this defense? And have been in uh in mini camp with Damiko Ryans in

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a new system, A new verbis. I don't care if Stephen Nelson takes

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one snap in a uniform this week in shorts and a T shirt. But

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just listening to the verbiage, and if you're laring mee tons, I'm not

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mad at him. I just think. I mean, I do believe Mahomes

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is at camp in Kansas City. Why is he there? I mean, but what I don't know because he wants to see He wants to be a

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good example and just show that he can. I'm not saying these guys don't

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care if they don't show up. But to me, you got a new

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system, you got a new head coach, new expectations. I don't care

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if you're a ten year guy Stephen Nelson ain't been to fifteen Pro Bowls.

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I mean, and then dud does he know all the verbiage that they're putting

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in and maybe just installation to help a young guy so they're ready. I

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know, Listen, I don't care if they throw a ball, but I

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do like just the fact that I think that. I mean, why would

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Joe Burrow show up well? Because he wants to show up to be a

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part of it. It's not mandatory work. It doesn't mean it's right, though. What's the whoa whoa whoa whoa work? What's the difference starting quarterback?

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Let's starting quarterback in the NFL and anything like that. Okay, well,

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but why but why do they go They don't have to Pat Mahomes because

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quarter we want them there, right, But what don't we want the back

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up to get more work? Well, it's mad it's voluntary partnership team.

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So you're different from quarterback. We'll never agree on this because the starting middle

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linebacker that hasn't been into Miko Ryan's defense. Oh, why should Will Anderson

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be there? He's a rookie, he's a first friend, he's a third

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pick. Why why should he be there? Why? He's got a lot

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to learn. The difference, that's a difference. That's the biggest reason,

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you know. The counter argument is that veterans already know how to play,

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they've proven they've already reached a certain level, and anything with Demiko's system,

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essentially it doesn't change the level of play for like a Tonsol or someone like

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that. It's just they're gonna play the way that they play. They're gonna

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play as well as they can play when they're playing. I hope they all

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play better for the team. I hope they all play better than they have

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the last three falls as a team. And a lot of veteran players would

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say this, the OTA isn't that big a deal. They're not doing that

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much out there. They're out there for an hour. The meetings aren't that

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big a deal if you already know the offense, or you're smart enough to

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already know. Like any kind of system, it's not that advanced. Can

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you imagine though, if we with no big deal? Yeah, I know

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they're not, but they do matter. We wouldn't have it. This is

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our job. All of this stuff too much to a big deal is made

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out of all of this spring football things. Training camp is a lot more

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important than this, the mandatory mini camp. They'll all be there, right

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if I what if I told you though, I got ahead. So let's

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just say I'm I'm a third year player who's a good player, and they

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put this system in and they start the installation and where I disagree that on

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the field, I don't care if they if they run routes, I wouldn't care if you had OTAs and all it was was having the fellas around and

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we're talking football in our meeting rooms, individual meeting for an hour and a

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half a day. Why Because if I know more now and when I get

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to training camp and they reinstall it, I'm mentally a step ahead. So

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I for for us to and I'm with you that a Tony Romo playing golf

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in February didn't affect him throwing in September. But I am and I understand

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why veterans don't go. But if I was a vet, if you're laring

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mee Tons, I'm just using him as an example, great player, but just to be there and hear the new verbiage, it does affect you because

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it gives you a headstart knowing in when you hear it the first time in

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the huddle in the fall. Because I know this hesitant players aren't real good

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and this team doesn't have a lot of leeway for error. So and it

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happens at Buffalo, what happens in Pittsburgh. It's the it's the it's the

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rules, it's the way we set it up. We practice less and make

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more. I just feel like, if it's important enough for a quarterback to

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be there, why why wouldn't my right guard want to be there. I

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just don't understand it because it's voluntary. Jack Mason is new and he showed

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up. Shack is uh just got a new contract too, and so Shack

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is there. So not every player is doing that. Some of the veterans

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are there. Uh, you know, we had there was some participation.

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There were also some injured players and that's one of the reasons they can't practice.

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Like John Metsy, he strained his hamstring season And that's what I've said.

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No injuries are hurt, you shouldn't be there. I mean, injury

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you can stick, you still be there. Some guys have already some guys

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have already gotten hurt, and you know, it's been a tough pace,

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you know for Phase two. You know a lot of that's with having a

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first year coach. So you've had some guys get hurt. You've had him

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get hurt. Some other veterans that have practiced, like I saw on Ridgeway,

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Thomas Booker, second year guy, they've already had soft tissue injuries.

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They were down at one point three defensive tackles. And because Southern rankins,

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who's veteran and pretty proven, isn't there. That was one of the reasons

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You've got Byron Coward say the classroom works more important than the on the field

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work in may. That's my point. I don't care if they run one

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s Brandy. Guys get hurt, and that's one of the reasons too.

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Like let's say you're a veteran. I'm just I'm not saying this is why,

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but I'm just putting this out there hypothetically. What if you were a

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veteran you're hearing, Hey, yeah, I heard the sky already got hurt.

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This guy's hurt. Um, what's it like out there? You know?

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Is that you know? Is it rough out there? You know?

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Because you'd be getting you know, am I trying to push it like right

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now this basically offseason, knowing I'm twenty eight, nine thirty years old,

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and maybe I'm saving it for the season. I mean, that's just a

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hypothetical. I'm not speaking for anybody, but I'm just saying, sometimes guys

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make a business decision because they say, you know what, I know how

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much work I need to do and when I need to be ready. And

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that's all. Since I know you're talking about the mental aspect and probably if they showed up and didn't do much, that would be okay with the team,

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But that's not players look at them. They feel like, Hey,

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when I'm there, I gotta work and I gotta maintain my level and show

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something. But I can say this, You're gonna probably see it the mini

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camp some guys that are just there because they have to be there, and

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then they'll turn it on that training camp. Is that the I mean,

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this isn't a team that I think is going to contend. I mean they're

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I'm going to reach a certain level and every rookie quarterback there would be the

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growing pains of a rookie quarterback. And you know that's to me, it

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was the more important things like house Stroud doing what's the impression he's making,

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which was a good one that he's you know, staying after the talks of

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the pkns of backs and trying to pick the tips of those guys. That

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was all very very positive and the impression he's making. But yeah, that

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to me the big picture more important than anything that has to do with like

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Tonsol. You know what Tunsil can do. Yeah, and I'm not even

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talking about that. Let's let's move on for a second here. I get

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all that, but the metal part is what I'm talking about. And I'm

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not just using Tounsil. He's a great player. I know that. But to me, if I'm the coach and just like Okay shown up and if

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Tunsil walked in the building, I wouldn't If I was a coach, I

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wouldn't put him in. I'd say no, I don't need him to be

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a hero. But having him around where Kenyan Green says, Hey, man,

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you know what would you do on this with new offensive line lingo because

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it's a new coach and a new head coach and the way they're talking with

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you and like I said, with c Strout, So if it doesn't matter

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other than for the quarterback yet, you're some of your players aren't there because

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they're hurt or don't want to be there. So what's the number one thing

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we need to get from Stroud coming out of this that he can throw a curl route against an NFL team that is going through the motions or throw a

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curl route. Because he was in the film room and talking about the verbiage

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and what we're looking for on this raad, I don't need one throw during

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OTAs. I know we can throw it. I would like to have those

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guys. So if we're saying what do we want, we got to get

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to CJ. Stroud. What are we looking for from CJ. Stroud coming

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out of OTAs. Since we don't care about the physical side, we're looking

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for him to grasp the mental side. It's a new coaching staff for him.

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For him, one of the better things that I saw is Okay,

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he was dropping back from Urner Center. That's a physical thing that he and

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a mental thing too that he's got to do. How does he sit ups

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a throw linkes in shotgun a lot with the Buckeyes. So now with this

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new for him forty nine Ers Cole Shanahan slash Gary Kubiak system that Bobby Slowick

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has memorized and it's installing with his own hoping some you know, some new

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twist, you know, his ideas on it. But for now, you

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know, this is what they're implementing. Okay. Yeah, it's good for

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him to be out there, and it's also he needs to earn the respect

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of the entire locker room, which he's already doing and that's important. It's

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important that Davis Mills looks good. Davis Mills is actually at dispoint. It's

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a real asset Dave hadn't you know? There's trading inquiries about Davis this offseason,

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Dens drafting Stroud and he's unavailable, and I think that's you know,

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that's interesting. But there's a lot of stuff happening where you know, you're

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saying you're some progress, Like I thought that after such a good rookie season.

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Damian Pierce looks even better and the guests had an outstanding off seas startle

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within all these wrinkles, and it's just like any team, there's an ebb

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and a flow. There's some good stuff happening, and there's some stuff.

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Yeah, you'd love to have all everybody there, But I just can tell

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you this from how the team standpoint. Are they worried about it? No,

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they can't because they can't be because it's voluntary. They have no choice.

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Yeah, I get it, and you need these vets and you need

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to buy in from them. But I can say this, if you start

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stressing out a lot of or stress out, but put a lot of pressure

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on the guys and some of your team captaine type guys about the off season.

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I don't know. I think at some point you know they're gonna steam

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you out a little bit. And then that's just me saying that. I'm

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not saying that they are. I just would say most veteran players, if

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you're if you're calling, you're making a big deal out of this and you're

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not the starting quarterback and you gotta be there. It's just it's almost like

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uncool. This is not the way most of the league is doing it.

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And so if a Dalton Soults who knows how to play, isn't there,

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you know, if anything, you just look at the side benefit of it

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is that Trianoh yeah, very good. Yeah I got you, mat Yeah,

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we got we got we got. We gotta go to break, brother. I appreciate It's a great banter, makes for great and we don't have

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to agree on it's a good banter and I appreciate it. We'll do it

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again. You get him at Aaron Wilson on Twitter. We'll talk next Friday about coming out of these OTAs as well. It's Sports Talk seven ninety.

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Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Aaron Wilson. We'll come back

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and discuss I know this teams that are more mentally prepared to play better in

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the fall. And it's not a matter if the coach is forcing it at

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all. You know what it is. It's a matter. That's why it's

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called voluntary. I'm not gonna force it because I'm not gonna. I don't

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want you mad at me. I'm not worried about a player being mad at

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me. For me, it's a new coaching staff. I would think you'd

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want to be here just to get the mental verbiage. I'm not forcing you

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because I can't. It's voluntary. But I can tell you this. Teams

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that no more mentally are far better physically in the fall, and it does

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matter to me, or we shouldn't have them. Sports Talk seven ninety