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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Season

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with Peter Schreger. We are now entering,

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Aaron, what is this week eleven?

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We're entering We just finished ten and we're going

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into week eleven.

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Oh my god, the season is flying

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by. On Sunday

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there were five games decided in

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the final seconds by a field goal attempt,

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and on Monday night there was another one. I

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am Peter Schrager. I am your host of this podcast.

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I picked Sean Payton to be the NFL's

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Coach of the Year before the season, I picked the

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Broncos to make the playoffs. The Broncos

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were one and five at one point, having lost

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to the Jets at home, and then

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very quietly they beat the Packers,

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they beat the Chiefs. The trade

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deadline arrives, they don't trade

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off Patrick's tan, they

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don't trade off Portland Sutton, they

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don't trade off Jerry Judy, they

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don't trade anyone. And

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they just quietly sit there

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and say, you know what, we're gonna play. And

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then they beat the Buffalo Bills, the Denver

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Broncos are four and five, folks, So

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that's the Broncos. But

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as we're recording this, we

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just got news that a former

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guest of the season with Peter Schuger, when

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things were looking a little better and the sky

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was the limit, Ken Dorsey, has

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been fired by the

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Buffalo Bills. And Aaron Wan

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Kaufman, as my dear friend, my

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partner in crime on this podcast, as

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my producer, and as

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a diehard Buffalo

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Bills fan, I'm going to give you the floor. Ken

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Dorsey season on

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the brink, fired after

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a week ten loss on Monday Night? Does

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that change things? What

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is the status of the Bills fan As

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we are just getting this information, I.

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Think Bill's fans are

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confused and have been confused

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because they've been calling

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for Dorsey's head for weeks.

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I mean, I think there have been a

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lot of games where it seems like the offense

2:21

should be doing a lot better, and for

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all the injuries the defense has suffered, like the

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offense should still be doing well.

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And I mean last night I actually thought with Tavius

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Murray was running well. James Cook got

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benched, but he came back in

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with a vengeance, and like Cook, and Kincaid

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were doing a ton,

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don't I don't know. I don't know if this fixes

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anything. I don't know what this does to the

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offense. I don't know what they do. I don't know how

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they recapture the magic of the day ball offense

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two years ago. Like, I don't

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know. This is rough. It's a rough

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last night and then a rough day to day. And to

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think that they're gonna have to install something

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new in a week and play the Jets

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a really tough defense that they already

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lost to is horrible.

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Yeah, item and it seems

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fresh, and yet you can't be shocked considering

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the offense. It takes such a step back. They

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haven't been the same offense since twenty twenty

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one, if we're being honest. You

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know, Brian Dabole and Josh

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Allen had that miracle season. Allen was unbelievable

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finished I believe second in the MVP last

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year. Took a step back, obviously, and I think a lot

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of us said, well, they were rolling, and then the DeMar

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Hamlin thing happened, and the travel issues happened

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and it was just too much to overcome. Well, it never has gotten

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going this year, so Dorsey.

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It's his job. He loses his job, and that's

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a shame. I like Ken, He'll be okay,

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he'll figure something out. But as of last year, I

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mean I'm talking in January, he was interviewing

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for head coaching jobs. So that's

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the NFL, and that's what we do in the season. We try

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to track you through the lives of these coaches and

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just how turbulent it really is.

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In January he was interviewing

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to be the head coach of the Carolina Panthers,

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and we are now in November and he has fired

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and out of work. That is a

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wild ride, and yet it is not uncommon

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in the world. That is the NFL. As

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we go to the Bills, I will

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say Von Miller was one hundred

4:14

and twenty million dollars signing. Didn't see much

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of him last night. Gabe Davis, I've been hearing

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about as a number one wide receiver. Didn't see much

4:20

of him last night. Stefan Diggs was not tearing

4:22

it up last night. And you could blame the coaching

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and the coach did just lose his job and he's got to go back

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to his wife and kids and say, hey, we're out of work. We got

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to figure something out. I think everyone

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now this is a call to arms, and it's say,

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hey, we're five and five. If the playoffs

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were today, we are out of this thing. We're

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not a part of it. And Aaron, I'm not

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sure if he looked at the schedule. They play the Jets,

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yes, but then the schedule

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gets really crazy. They

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play the Eagles, Okay,

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then they have a bye and they

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play the Chiefs and then they play the

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Cowboys.

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Your thoughts, it's so it

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looks so bleak.

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Okay, as frustrated as you are, and as like

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I live with a Ravens fan. She happens

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to be my wife. Parents

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have been season ticket holders of the Baltimore Ravens

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since they moved back to Baltimore.

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My father in law has never missed

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a Baltimore Super Bowl, going back to nineteen sixty

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nine when he went to the Orange Bowl to

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see the Colts play the Jets. In person,

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I think Ravens fans at seven to three

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might be even more frustrated than Bills fans

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at five and five. The Ravens have the craziest

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season right now, where they absolutely

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trash opponents, they blow them out and

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they have three losses, and all three of those losses

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have been inexplicable fourth quarter collapses

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against the Steelers, the Colts,

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and then this most recent one against the Browns

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at home, where there are fourteen points

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in the fourth quarter and they somehow give the game away

5:47

even with the Browns missed extra point.

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The stat that we gave on Good

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Morning Football yesterday that my producer Rich

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Goldberg came to me in the morning was like, you

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gotta go with this. Of the

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top five teams to

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have the most time

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spent with a lead through ten games

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in a season, five four of those teams were

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ten and oh and went to the Super Bowl. The

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fifth is the seven and three Baltimore

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Ravens, meaning they have led by

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they have led every game, and

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they have led the most amount of time

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in not only this NFL season, but one of

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the top five seasons of all time. And

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yet they're not ten and oh, they're not nine to one,

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they're not eighting two, they're seven and three. They

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lose in the end. So which we had the

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conversation and today on Good Morning Football

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is like, well, the good in that is that like

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you're in it till the very end, and that like you could

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tighten that up. The bad in that is that, well,

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why can't you close? Why can't you close?

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And this goes back not only Lamar

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but Harball questions. And you know,

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I had my friend Jeremy on in the offseason

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who was a blistering take

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on the Ravens and how this whole decade

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since they went to the Super Bowl and

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beat the forty nine ers in

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twenty thirteen, this whole decade has just been one missed

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opportunity after another. And he points to the coach

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a lot of times in the GM, Well, they're seven

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and three, and they're in first place in

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a lot of ways in the AFC. Now, of course the Chiefs

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and then we'll figure it out as far as tiebreakers

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go when it's all said and done. But like the

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Ravens to not be eight and one or

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nine and one right now, that's a great disappointment.

7:18

So it's almost like you have these

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two teams that everyone was high on. Then you have

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the Bengals, who last week were all crowning Louenn

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and Rumo comes on the podcast. I'm talking about

7:26

how this guy's going to be the next head coach of the NFL.

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Well, they're five and four out of the playoff all right

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now, which leads to an AFC

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team. I'd like to talk about Aaron the

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Houston freaking Texans five

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and four. If the playoffs were to start

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today, the Houston Texans

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would be in the dance. CJ.

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Stroud has been amazing. He's got every record

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you can imagine as far as rookie quarterbacks

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go throughout their first ten weeks of an NFL

7:53

season. He's steady Eddy. He does

7:55

not waiver. And for the second straight

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week, we had his GM on last

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week Nick Cassario, go find the podcast episode.

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It was exquisite. It was wonderful. Nick was great.

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He was even better this week. He was even better

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than last week. He threw four to seventy and five touchdowns.

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This one he threw a bad pick and

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then bounced back, which I love.

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Throws the bad pick. Bengals

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Cameron Taylor Britt takes it all the way back, They

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hold them, they get a field goal. It makes

8:21

it a tie game. And he's got to go eighty

8:23

yards and somehow some way

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win this thing. And guess what, he goes

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drives him the whole length of the field, they kick the field

8:30

goal to win it, and they walk off champions

8:33

of the game after beating a

8:35

very good, red hot Cincinnati Bengals

8:37

team in the jungle, which is a really

8:40

hard place to play. I was supposed

8:42

to question, do I think their contenders?

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I say yes, because they're in the dance right

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now. But also it's not just rookie

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quarterback, first year coach, rookie wide

8:51

receiver and electricity with all this new young

8:54

energy. The guys on that team, Shaq Griffin

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has played in a lot of big games. Shaq Mason's

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played in a lot of big games. Robert Woods

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has played in a lot of big games. Sheldon Rankins has

9:02

played in a lot of big games. Jerry Hughes on that team,

9:04

Jerry Hughes on the Colts with like Peyton mana like Jerry

9:07

Hughes has been in big games. They

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have veterans all over the lineup. And if

9:11

you're thinking about an org chart, and you're not

9:14

necessarily thinking about a football team, but you're thinking

9:16

about a company, and they're different departments.

9:18

You've got hr, you've got accounting, like

9:21

they have young superstars that are the

9:23

equivalent of the Ivy League guys that are coming right out of

9:25

college with their great NBAS, but they

9:27

also have guys who've worked with the company

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and worked at other very successful companies for

9:32

five years, six years, seven years. I love

9:34

the fact that Tank Dell and Nico Collins have

9:36

Robert Woods in that room. I love the fact that CJ.

9:39

Stroud comes out after practice and he talks to

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case Keenum, who played an NFC championship

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game. Love what Houston's

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doing, and I don't think it's a fluke. They're

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out playing teams and their defenses gone

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from a historically bad defense from last year

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to being one of the best in the league this year.

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Question for you about the Texans, Yeah, do you

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think this is kind of a hot take? Do you think

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they could win out their

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schedule?

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Storry Bill Simmons, We're not We're not a been

10:06

Bill Simmons right here. This is very cousin salon. Bill

10:08

Simmons. Do you want to talk about the All NBA

10:11

third point card next?

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We can.

10:13

It's only five weeks. It's only five weeks into the NBA

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season.

10:15

We can.

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Stroud exists on your Nbay.

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Yeah, but they have Cardinals

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this week, they have Jags, the

10:23

week after.

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That's a huge one.

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Huh.

10:25

Yeah.

10:25

They already beat the Jags once, right.

10:27

And then the Broncos and then at Jets,

10:29

at Titans against the Browns

10:31

that's the Christmas Eve, that's the big

10:34

one, and then Titans and then it Colts.

10:36

Yeah, of course they can do it.

10:38

That's I was not expecting

10:41

from talking about, like the Bills schedule

10:43

that looks so bleak and dour. The

10:45

Texans have a nice end

10:47

of season run. What's coming up? I think?

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Do you know why I love doing this podcast with you?

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Bro?

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You just dropped the word dour, bleaking

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dour? Is that a word? Do

10:58

you mean? Dire? Is dour a word? Let's google

11:01

that. I love that.

11:03

Let's get down relentlessly severe,

11:05

stern or in manner or appearance?

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The hell yes, Bro, that's the

11:10

perfect word. All right. The

11:12

Bills have a dour schedule. The Texans.

11:15

What's an antonym to Dower?

11:18

Type in antonym dower? What do we

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get?

11:21

I want to find the most exciting one.

11:23

We don't want to We don't want a thesaurus. We don't

11:25

need that.

11:25

We want an antonym the Houston

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gentle pleasant.

11:29

I like gentle Houston Texans have a

11:31

gentle schedule coming up. That's

11:34

fantastic. H I love the NFL.

11:36

It's wide open. I don't think anyone had the Texans or

11:38

the Broncos like a couple of weeks ago,

11:40

and here we are and another team

11:42

that I don't think anyone was like legitimately

11:45

considering as like a team, the Indianapolis

11:47

culture very quietly. Five and five they beat a

11:49

terrible Patriots team in Germany, and

11:52

they're right there. I

11:54

had a rare Sunday

11:57

off. Aaron Fox

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sent uh the Fox

12:03

NFL Sunday Show, the Big Dogs,

12:07

Kurt Gronk and

12:09

Strahan and Howie Long and Jimmy Johnson

12:12

and Glazer. They sent them to the Air Force Academy.

12:14

As an annual tradition, they go to a different veteran

12:18

spot, whether it be West Point

12:20

or the Naval Academy or a military

12:23

base overseas. This year they went to the

12:25

Air Force Academy. Grounk jumped out of a plane

12:27

and was live for the jumping in. It was

12:29

actually great television. It was fantastic. But

12:32

I got a chance to sit on my ass and watch TV

12:34

like most Americans do. And I gotta tell

12:36

you guys got it pretty good. That

12:39

one o'clock window was unbelievable, all

12:41

these games coming down to the wire at the end,

12:44

Brown's Ravens Bengals. And then I'm

12:46

like, all right, so what do people do after that one

12:48

o'clock window ends? They probably use the

12:51

four o'clock window. And then the Lions Charger

12:53

starts, and you're like, all right, we're another shootout and Seahawks

12:56

commanders, and then right into the Sunday night game. The NFL

12:58

is in a great place, and I'm looking

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at the primetime games that are coming

13:02

up this week. Could you bring those up real quick

13:04

on the schedule, because I think a month of oh, I would

13:06

have circled this week and been like it's forgettable. But

13:09

Thursday night we have Bengals

13:12

at Ravens, both teams on the brink right

13:14

now coming off bad losses. The

13:17

what's the Sunday night game? I think it's Vikings

13:20

versus Broncos, which suddenly becomes

13:22

an awesome game. And then Monday

13:25

Night is Eagles Chiefs.

13:27

Hello, yeah, this is it's

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this week in particular, I think is going

13:31

to be just three back to back great

13:34

night games.

13:35

Unbelievable. And then we have the Thanksgiving

13:37

slate. We're there, baby, We're there.

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We turned the corner quickly.

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Some other news and notes. I

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read another book, Henry

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Winkler's memoir.

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Oh the Fun The

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Fonds.

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I'd say, out of a five, if

13:54

Stamos was a five out of five, Winkler's

13:56

a four out of five.

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Okay, still pretty good.

13:58

Winkler a lot of daddy issues, goes

14:01

deep into it. It's got some stuff with the dad.

14:04

I didn't know that going in. Wink

14:07

just a wonderful soul. Talks about his

14:09

career going and kind of in a rut post Happy

14:11

Days, trying to figure out he was a producer on mcguiver.

14:13

Did you know that?

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Oh well, I was actually as you were talking about him, I was

14:16

trying to think. But obviously Fonds is

14:18

like a cultural touch point, and I was like, what

14:20

is the next thing I remember him in besides

14:23

Arrested Development.

14:24

I'll give it to you water Boy. He plays

14:26

the coach Adam Sandler like saved his career.

14:29

Adam Sandler puts him in the water Boy. He's

14:31

also a night shift which is interesting, which I

14:33

loved with Michael Keaton in the

14:35

early ages. Is Ron Howard's like first major studio

14:38

film, and Ron Howard of course worked with him as

14:40

Richie Cunningham. But you know, in the

14:42

height of Happy Days, he's

14:44

doing Night Shift, a movie he's like, you know, before

14:46

Michael J. Fox was doing Family Ties and Back

14:49

to the Future and all the other movies

14:51

that he was in. It was kind of like Winkler.

14:54

But then he has this long rut and

14:56

like it's it's very frustrating

14:58

for him, and his wife is just like super

15:00

supportive but also like you are a complete narcissist,

15:03

and then he has to pull himself out of it.

15:05

Sandler throws him a few boks. He does come of

15:07

that stuff, and then you're right arrested development.

15:09

But then the big one is Barry, where forty

15:12

years after being nominated for an Emmy

15:14

for his role as the Fawns, he wins

15:17

for his role on Barry and it's

15:19

like this cool, like, you know, it's a Hollywood

15:21

life story that this is a

15:23

nice guy from New York

15:26

City who you know, was banging

15:28

around. He went to Yale for a grad degree

15:30

in acting, like was a real thespian, and they

15:32

got typecasted as the Fawns and

15:34

then had to crawl out of that over thirty forty

15:37

years and then gets it. I

15:39

think it's a really good book. I think it's great

15:41

for a plane ride. As

15:43

you know, I'm listening to audio books to

15:46

and from to and from now. Our dear

15:48

friend Paul Rudd and I were talking name

15:50

drop, Paul Rudd

15:53

tells me last night at the

15:55

Beacon Theater, he was

15:58

moderating an interview session with Geeddy

16:00

Lee, the musician from the band

16:02

Rush, and because

16:05

of his connection from you,

16:07

I Love You man like he's considered like, he's like,

16:10

he's like he had to read the book to like

16:12

front cover to cover, and then he moderated

16:14

an hour long panel session which is gonna

16:16

be online of Paul Rudd interviewing

16:18

Geddy Lee at the Beacon Theater, which sounds

16:21

incredible. I do have a regret from last weekend.

16:23

I was around. It was New York Comedy

16:25

week. I didn't get to see any comedy.

16:27

But Bill Burr performed, Sam

16:30

Murrill performed in New York, Tim

16:32

Dillon performed. They all

16:34

were out here in New York, and of course I wasn't.

16:38

I wasn't there, all right, my phones ran because that's

16:40

Mark Dalton from the Cardinals. We've got an awesome

16:42

guest coming right up. Let's get him on as

16:44

we speak. This is Drew Petsing, who's the offensive

16:46

coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals.

16:52

It had been eleven months since we had seen

16:55

Kyler Murray on a football field, and there

16:57

on third and ten, with the game on the

16:59

line against a good Atlanta Falcons

17:01

defense, Kyler Murray did Kyler Murray things,

17:03

and I think a nation a

17:06

sigh of relief knowing that not only was

17:08

Kyler back, but that the Cardinals were on the right

17:10

track. And his offensive coordinator with this new

17:13

coaching staff is a guy that I've been hearing about for years.

17:15

It's one of the bright young offensive mines in

17:17

the league, and I'm thrilled to have him on the season

17:20

with Peter Schrager. Mister Drew Petsing,

17:22

Welcome to the show, my man.

17:24

Yeah, I appreciate Peter.

17:25

Thanks a lot, man, Dude, I love your story, I

17:28

love everything I've heard about you. But I'll be candid.

17:30

We don't have this great personal friendship

17:32

goes back ten years. I've just been hearing

17:35

about you for a really long time. As

17:37

we head in towards week eleven, you're

17:40

feeling about the state

17:42

of this quarterback position with Kyler now

17:44

on the field and you could finally run your

17:46

offense with Kyler Murray at the switch.

17:48

Yeah, it's exciting, I think, you know, certainly

17:51

last you know what two days ago. Last weekend was

17:53

a big step, you know, first time back on the field

17:55

for him. The emotions, the

17:57

reality, the stress, the physical aspect of

17:59

it.

17:59

So it was exciting. It was stressful.

18:01

I thought he handled it really well and

18:04

it was great to see him go out and perform like that because

18:06

I know he capable of it. You know, certainly when

18:08

you go through an injury like that. The process that he

18:10

had to go to to put himself back on the field, learn

18:12

a new offense, you know, get to know his teammates

18:14

while not really playing for the offseason

18:16

in training camp was really excited for him and for us,

18:18

and it was a lot of fun. You know.

18:20

The rap on Kyler going into

18:23

the seasons, well, is he going to be around? Is he going to

18:25

be invested? We don't know. How everything

18:27

I've heard to him, Man, this guy has been unbelievable

18:30

in the building. While rehabbing. What's

18:32

been your impression of Kyler Murray just a few

18:34

months into working with him, since he got there

18:36

back in January.

18:37

Yeah, I think you just hit on it. It was impressive really

18:39

from the get go. I mean to watch the way that he attacked

18:42

rehab. You know, I tore my ICL my sophomore

18:44

year of college. I know what that rehab is like. Certainly,

18:46

not at that level when it's your job, it's your career,

18:48

it's your livelihood. So to just to watch the

18:51

way he approached every day in the training room

18:53

on the field as he started to get running again and

18:55

then at the same time learning a new system,

18:57

learning a new language, learning a new way of doing

19:00

things, and he had to juggle

19:02

both of those in a very small amount of time.

19:04

And I thought he just did it with really such convict

19:06

in such focus and such drive.

19:08

So it was it was fun to be a part of it.

19:10

Do you see stuff in practice? I know

19:12

we saw that play on third and ten, and he played really

19:14

well on Sunday, But do you see stuff in practice that

19:17

you're like, all right, I've coached a lot of quarterbacks,

19:19

but this guy does that not a lot to

19:21

do.

19:21

Absolutely, you know, when you get a guy of

19:23

that talent level. It's a couple times

19:25

a day and no matter even the little things

19:27

where you're just you might it might be a RVA

19:30

period or warm ups where you just kind of your head

19:32

snatch, like in the world was that?

19:35

Because he does he does so many things that very few

19:37

people can do and does it at such a high

19:39

level consistently.

19:40

It's impressive to walk.

19:41

Yeah, And did you think he would he would be able to, you

19:43

know, get the kitchen sinc thrown at him in that first

19:45

week. I didn't know if it was gonna be like, here's five play, here's the Techmo

19:48

offense, you got four plays, Kyler, just don't hurt

19:50

yourself. It felt like, you guys, do the kitchen sink

19:52

at him, and he was able to do it in one hundred percent

19:54

full till we did.

19:55

We really held nothing back. Honestly, A lot of that was

19:57

his confidence to me, you know, so

19:59

like I kind of went into it, especially in the off

20:01

season we're building it, just saying like, all right, let's

20:03

see what he can handle. Let's see what because realistically,

20:06

you know, you look at it and I said this to some people

20:08

last week, what a offenses look

20:10

like the first week of preseason, when they've had

20:12

three months to get ready, two weeks of nothing but

20:14

practice, it's sloppy. Then when it's eleven

20:17

starters that have been together and doing it for months.

20:19

I mean this guy basically did for three weeks, you

20:21

know, physically, So that was my

20:23

mindset. But he kind of assured me the entire time. He's like,

20:25

believe me, when I hit the field, I will be ready.

20:27

I can handle it. Don't worry about it. And

20:30

he never swayed from that message. So it gave me

20:32

the confidence to say, hey, he feels good about

20:34

it. You watch him do it in practice. He handled

20:36

it well, you know during the week, So we

20:38

really we really didn't hold a lot back.

20:40

I thought he handled it really well.

20:41

Now, before he got there, you had Dobbs, he had Clayton Tune,

20:43

Like was he involved in the week two week game?

20:45

And I think a lot of the questions about Kyler is how invested

20:48

is he with the you know,

20:50

Monday to Saturday stuff. Was he there helping

20:52

them game plan and kind of learning the playbook

20:54

and getting it down.

20:55

Absolutely, I mean he in the meeting room, he's asking

20:57

questions, he's engaging with the other guys in that room. He's

20:59

he learned a ton from their reps, listening to

21:01

the questions they asked, watch their process in

21:03

terms of how Dobbs prepared, how Clayton prepared,

21:06

the things that you know, especially Clayton as a rookie, he might

21:08

give him a little piece of advice and say, hey, like, I

21:10

see why you're seeing it this way, this is how I think about

21:12

it. And it was fun to see that development,

21:15

that growth in his game and as a

21:17

teammate. And I think he helped the guys

21:19

in that room, and I think he also grew a lot from

21:21

watching them do it and learn the offense.

21:23

And talk through some of the stuff that we went through.

21:25

Dude, I watched this Cardinals team, and I know you guys only

21:27

have two and it's not like you guys are like the seventy six Steelers

21:29

of the eighty five Bears. I get it, But gosh,

21:31

is there not a team in the league that fights

21:33

harder and seems to have more fun and goes

21:36

out there and plays like we know that the talent necessarily

21:38

isn't you know, the greatest show on turfor

21:41

but your boys are playing like what's

21:43

the vibe there in Arizona that every week, no one

21:45

has packed it in. If anything, the team is getting better

21:47

as the season goes on.

21:48

Yeah, and that's really been our focus since

21:50

we got here in April, when the first day the players

21:53

showed up. It's our goal is to get better every day,

21:55

regardless of outcome, regardless of score.

21:58

Are you individually improving at your

22:00

job and coaching, playing

22:02

organizationally? Are we doing the things to make

22:04

sure we're moving in the right direction, win, lose, And

22:07

I think that's the important thing. Like we came in on Monday

22:09

after the win on Sunday, it wasn't any different

22:11

than the week before after the Cleveland game. It

22:13

is, Hey, we won the game because we did

22:15

these things well, we could have lost the game.

22:17

Because we need to improve in these areas. That's the

22:19

focus.

22:19

Continue to play at a high level, continue to play your asshole

22:22

from an effort perspective, and we're going to end up

22:24

where we want to be and it's going to take time. You know, it's

22:26

not an overnight fix when it's good or bad, and

22:28

there's always room for improvement.

22:30

I love your story personally. You're

22:32

in your mid thirties, you're one of the youngest

22:34

play callers in the NFL. Gannon's a defensive

22:37

coach. Obviously, you guys come

22:39

in, but like you played in high school, you're

22:41

the captain of your team. You go to Middlebury,

22:43

which I think of historically as a lacrosse

22:45

school if I'm being honest, like that's a big lacrosse

22:48

school. You're you're there, You're playing

22:50

defensive back. You get your career

22:52

caught short by an injury. And now, look, you're not an Alabama,

22:54

ohiouse state. You're at Middlebury and you still say, hey,

22:58

I'm going to pursue a life in football.

23:00

When you hurt yourself and you couldn't play football

23:04

anymore in college and you're at middle

23:06

Bay. Are you a D three school? How

23:08

do you keep focused? How do you stay committed and

23:10

say no, no, no, but my football dream isn't necessarily

23:12

over here. Yeah.

23:13

I think I had a lot of really good people around me. I relied

23:15

heavily on coach Ritter. You know my father, you

23:17

know people that I was close with because the game has been

23:20

has always been so important to me. I love the sport,

23:22

I love the scheme, I love the relationships you build,

23:25

just the whole process of what football

23:27

brings to your life. So when it got taken

23:29

from me, I missed it and it really kind of like

23:31

put me in a funk, like and not that I lost

23:33

a piece of my identity, but I really didn't have a direction, didn't

23:36

know what I wanted to do. And coach Ritter, who

23:38

is the head coach at the time, he just retired

23:40

last year. You know, I said,

23:42

hey, can I help out? Can I stay around the game? Can

23:44

I help coach? It's something I might be interested in. And

23:47

he actually played with my father, so he was like,

23:50

I would love to let you help out. He

23:52

goes, but if you're a grade slip at all, your dad

23:54

is going to murder me.

23:55

He's like, so, just where did you grow up, Drew?

23:57

Are you Massachusetts guy?

23:59

When I was seven?

24:00

So it grew up just outside Boston and Wellesley, Massachusetts

24:03

and lived there most of my childhood. And

24:05

so my first year I volunteered in the fall. My

24:08

junior year didn't play, helped out on defense

24:10

because I played safety and just like fell

24:12

in love with it, like you know, a D three school. I think there

24:14

was seven guys on staff. Yeah, like as

24:16

an eighth guy, you got to be very involved. Like I

24:19

was doing breakdowns, I got to coach, I was helping

24:21

film practice, I was doing film exchanges

24:24

and just loved it. And then that summer

24:27

I did a business program at Dartmouth,

24:29

the Tough Business Bridge Program, and it was

24:31

like an intensive business course to look at finance

24:33

and court.

24:34

You know, all tell me you're a Buddy Steven's

24:36

disciple as well, are you?

24:38

No, I'm not.

24:39

OK.

24:39

It was strictly from a school perspective, but it was that contrast

24:42

of like, all right, I could do this, and I could go into banking

24:44

or finance or you know, or

24:46

I could coach football. And I'm like, God, that fall

24:48

of football was one hundred times more

24:50

enjoyable. And I'm like, and if you can make money doing

24:52

this, I'm doing this. So it was kind of just put

24:55

all the eggs in that basket. Try to start

24:57

to meet people and get connected with people in different areas.

24:59

Learn everything I could from a coaching perspective, and I

25:02

was very fortunate in my career early to be around some

25:04

great people that grew me, developed

25:06

me, invested in me, and taught me a lot about the business

25:08

and helped me with some great opportunity.

25:10

So you see a light, you see football, you see joy.

25:13

Your first gig was in two thousand and nine.

25:15

You were a volunteer student assistant

25:17

at Harvard. How does that happen? And what was that

25:19

role?

25:20

Yeah, so it was kind of like, so, as I said, so volunteer

25:22

my junior year.

25:23

I actually had enough credits.

25:24

I didn't take any classes my senior year, and I was

25:26

going to volunteer and they had an open position, so

25:28

they ended up paying. I was a senior in college, living

25:30

off campus and not taking classes.

25:32

Coaching football. It was like the truly the like. It

25:34

was the dreat like it it was the best.

25:36

And and when school was coming to a close, it was

25:38

like, all right, I gotta start talking to people. I got to find my next

25:40

job. I want to stay in football. I want to make this work.

25:43

And I just started kind of using the small

25:45

connections I had. And a family

25:47

friend, Ben Bloom, who's the D line coach now with

25:49

the Browns, was an

25:51

assistant D line coach at Harvard from

25:53

Wellesley, so from my hometown, and I kind

25:55

of he was one of the guys I reached out to and he goes, hey,

25:57

you know funny you called, he goes. We

25:59

were talking to staff meeting this morning. We're looking for an unpaid

26:02

intern. You're not going to make any money, but it's a great

26:04

foot in the door. And I kind of feel like coach, you

26:06

know, Murphy, who's still at Harvard, would

26:08

let me have pretty big say on who we bring in. Are

26:10

you interested? I said, if the job's there, I'll like, I'm there

26:12

tomorrow.

26:13

Yeah.

26:13

And so I went down there for the spring game

26:15

and met those guys, and then literally I graduated

26:18

on Sunday. I drove home Monday.

26:20

I was in a staff meeting Tuesday morning and

26:22

worked there that first season, unpaid on defense,

26:24

and it was all, I mean, the amount of football I learned,

26:27

what I got exposed to, it was. It was

26:29

awesome.

26:29

It's funny because Middlebury, if the listeners

26:32

at home don't like you go to I'm in We're in

26:34

lowerman he you go to Wall Street. Every other person is

26:36

Harvard, Yale, Middlebury, like all these and

26:39

you could have had that walk. You could have walked that walk.

26:41

You're like, no football. You go to b C to

26:43

be an assistant, then you end up at Yale. I

26:45

imagine Middlebury, BC Yale,

26:48

Harvard, You're collecting people

26:50

in your lives that, yes, football,

26:52

but some of the most interesting people in the world who are doing

26:55

some crazy, big things right now.

26:56

Yeah, as you said. And then mostly

26:58

the players, the students.

26:59

I mean it was like I remember talking to some of the guys as

27:01

they were graduated at Harvard and the opportunities they

27:03

were just you know, I was unpaid and they're deciding

27:06

to do I have this six figure job with this

27:08

bonus. I'm like, that money doesn't

27:10

seem real to me. I don't like the mind blowing

27:12

to me. The opportunities those guys had, obviously

27:14

because of who they are and what they were a part of.

27:16

And but yeah, it was.

27:17

It was. It was really great to get exposed to those

27:19

type people on so many different areas, so many different

27:21

levels.

27:22

Twenty thirteen, an NFL gig

27:24

opens up your four years into coaching

27:27

and it's an intern with the operation

27:30

side of the Cleveland Browns. How

27:32

does that come a bit come to me? And was that Mike Petton?

27:34

Was that Kyle Shanahan? What team was that?

27:36

So? Rob Chazinski was the head coach Chud

27:39

it was his first year. I'd never been

27:41

in the NFL. I really, I still don't exactly

27:43

know, because I didn't know anybody in the building.

27:46

I believe Alex Shriner was the president.

27:48

He'd just come over from Dallas, and Chud

27:51

wanted to hire those that New England position

27:53

of like that. They called it twenty for twenty, like you work twenty

27:55

hours a day, yep, for twenty grand

27:57

the entire year.

27:58

And but he never the Ravens. The Ravens

28:00

do like an actual ceremony about their

28:02

twenty twenty guys. I'm always like, guys, all right,

28:05

sure, but there's like a long trichdition of all those

28:07

Ravens front office guys. They all walked that walk.

28:09

Oh yeah, so and so they'd never had

28:11

done it before.

28:12

So I think what happened was, you know,

28:14

Aleck had just come from Dallas, where they had done

28:16

the position.

28:17

Chud had never done it. So Alex was like, Hey, call

28:19

a couple of these guys.

28:20

And the guys that had done it at Dallas, Ben

28:22

Bloom, Dave Borgonzi, now with

28:24

the Bears, were guys that I worked with

28:26

at Harvard when I was unpaid, And so they

28:29

called these guys and said, hey, what did you make what did you do?

28:31

What was your role?

28:32

And they kind of answered the question said, hey, if you're looking for

28:34

a guy, there's a guy Yale who would

28:36

be a great candidate.

28:36

I'm sure he'd love the opportunity. He'd give him a call.

28:39

So I kind of got a call out of the blue, and

28:41

I was like, yeah, like absolutely, They're like, hey, look, it's going

28:43

to be a big pay cut because I Yale, I had my first position

28:45

job, I was hitting my own hair job, I

28:47

was coaching the outside linebackers, was recruiting

28:49

the West Coast, actually recruited

28:51

Foyer Olakun.

28:52

Like he could be Yale killing it for the Jaguars.

28:55

Love watching him play because obviously got close with him

28:57

through the recruiting process. And

29:00

I was like absolutely, like NFL, if it's an opportunity,

29:02

I'd love to take it, Like don't really care what the role is,

29:04

Like, let me in the building and I'll figure it out.

29:06

And went through the process.

29:07

It was kind of a wild and I got snowed in out

29:09

there for like three days during my interview, and on

29:11

the third day, Chud was like, well at this point, you basically

29:14

just work here the job, So

29:17

yeah, and then kind of the rest was history. And at that point

29:19

I'd really only been on defense, Like I

29:21

played safety, played linebacker. Coach

29:24

TV's at Middlebury, was a defensive

29:26

jay at Boston College, and so my first

29:28

week there, Ray Horton was the defensive coordinator. I put his

29:30

playbook into visio from PowerPoint. I

29:32

was like, I'm on defense. And then Norv

29:34

just like started yelling my name down the hallway

29:36

for random things like he'd want coffee

29:39

or a cut up, or he'd want to talk about something he saw

29:41

on social media, and like before the

29:43

OTA started, He's like, now you're on offense now.

29:45

And I was like, okay, I'm on offense here.

29:47

And I'm working with North Turner, hall of fame coach who

29:49

you know, Troy ik Vin swear Spy, Okay.

29:51

Yeah, and he was, I mean, I can't. I could go on

29:53

about him.

29:54

For I love North too.

29:55

One of the best, right, absolute best person

29:58

coach. I mean, I probably owe ninety

30:01

five percent of my career to that guy. But just

30:03

like he just took me under his wing, put me on offense,

30:05

sat in the you know, they let me move around that first

30:07

off season. I jumped in the tight end room the

30:09

receiver room, the O line room, and then when the season started,

30:12

I was in the quarterback room with Norvin Chaine Steichen,

30:14

who was a quality control coach at the time. Yeah,

30:17

I mean it was wild. It was a quick transition. But those guys

30:19

really they grew me as a coach. I mean I'd

30:21

never been on offense. I never called to play in it. For me, like

30:23

it was all new to me, and they gave me the opportunity

30:25

to learn it and be a part of it, and obviously very

30:27

thankful for that.

30:28

All Right, you're in your twenties. I assume at this time

30:31

you're single. You've got just like take

30:33

me wherever I got to go to do this job. The

30:35

Minnesota Vikings calling, you're there for an extended amount

30:37

of time. Who brought you to Minnesota was at NorVa.

30:40

So yeah, And I can't say I was single because

30:42

my wife would get really mad at if she say, no,

30:44

you're good.

30:45

We were no, here's five.

30:46

It was like that's part of the hilarious, Like we were long distance

30:49

and so like I was moving and she's like, what

30:51

in the world are you doing? And what do you do?

30:53

Then do Yeah, like when I got snowed in in Cleveland.

30:56

She was coming to visit me. She stayed in

30:58

the I don't know if you remember that massive

31:00

storm we got in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen,

31:03

Like they had tanks through the streets of New Haven because you

31:05

couldn't get anywhere. Yeah, he got stuck in my apartment.

31:07

I never saw her. She I got back before she had

31:09

to go back.

31:10

I mean it was yeah, so I was

31:13

the one few honey.

31:14

Yeah, so we were when we got let

31:16

go in Cleveland. Uh No, I just stuck

31:18

around him like until someone literally kicks me.

31:20

Out

31:20

of the.

31:23

Showing up of like I'll be operations, I'll be scouting,

31:26

I'll be coaching, like whatever it takes.

31:27

Not to interrupt. But that's what Sala said. He was with Houston,

31:31

and I guess Koobiak got fired. Dom

31:33

Caper's got fired, and Sala was like, no

31:35

one told me I didn't have a job. So I just showed up the next

31:37

day and like Kubiak's like, who are you Okay?

31:39

You're on the staff, Like it works that way at the lowest level.

31:41

Oh.

31:41

Absolutely, And you know, so I was picking guys up from the airport.

31:43

I was grabbing dinners like I delivered

31:45

dinner to Mike Petton one night because he had just got you know,

31:47

after a couple of weeks he got hired.

31:49

I think he thought she thought I was the delivery

31:51

guy.

31:52

I'm like, no, I'm down the hall. I'm just in operations.

31:54

If you need anybody, I'll be there. I can do whatever you need.

31:57

And uh, Norma got the job in Minnesota and

31:59

and ended up having an opportunity. It was, you

32:01

know, it was again it would be a longer

32:03

story than we probably have time for, but almost ended up in Dallas.

32:05

Ben Bloom was in Dallas and they had a similar

32:07

role.

32:08

But Norvid kind of told me, hey, whatever you do, you

32:10

don't take a job without calling me.

32:12

Yeah, obviously I'm gonna do right by you.

32:14

So when Dallas called, I was on the phone with Jason Garrett

32:16

and he said, hey, we want to fly out for an interview for this indor

32:18

position.

32:19

Ben talk really highly of you think could be

32:21

a great fit.

32:21

And I was like, yeah, I don't. I mean I don't have a job. So like I'm

32:23

there, I'll go to play tomorrow. And I said Jason,

32:26

I just nor you know, really, you

32:28

know, made me promise him wouldn't take a job without calling

32:30

him, like are you okay if I call nor, which

32:33

you know I was taking a little bit of a leap of faith there, but

32:36

Jason played for North and loved North,

32:38

and so Jason was like, absolutely, give norm a call.

32:40

You got to do right by him, like let me know what he

32:42

says.

32:43

So, in like a thirty minute process, was on the phone

32:45

with Jason called nor and Norrah's

32:47

like, nope, you're coming to Minnesota Rix film and the gym

32:49

is.

32:49

Going to call you in ten minutes.

32:51

You got a job.

32:51

We'll get you out here this week.

32:52

And I was like I went from like unemployment

32:54

to like two opportunities in twenty minutes and

32:57

then had to call Jason back. I was like, hey, Jason, I'm

32:59

sorry, I appreciate it. I'm going to Minnesota

33:01

with NORV Like I didn't really think it was gonna happen

33:03

like that.

33:03

This is my first time through the process.

33:05

And Jason was awesome, very understanding,

33:07

but it was it was a whirlin so yeah, one

33:09

year and then ended up in Minnesota there in twenty fourteen, and.

33:12

You're there for a bit. Is zim the coach

33:14

when you're there as the head coach.

33:15

It was Zim's first year in twenty fourteen, Norri's

33:18

first year. And then, you know, I've.

33:20

Told the story.

33:20

I got picked up at the airport to go sign my contract

33:23

and meet everybody. And the guy that I got picked

33:25

up, you know, and Opscott picked us up was me. Jonathan

33:27

Gannon and Evan Marcus all got picked up

33:29

in the car together. I didn't know any of those guys at the time and

33:32

worked together with them for four years and stayed

33:34

there in Minnesota for six.

33:36

Who the wide outs you're working with, because I look at your

33:38

that position group legendary history. Yet

33:41

there might have been some lulls as far as big name was.

33:43

It was post Moss, post Carter, pri Jefferson,

33:45

so Feeling Jerris right

33:48

who were dealing with.

33:49

When I first got there. So I was in the running back room

33:51

my first year with Kirbie Wilson. He had Adrian Peterson,

33:53

we drafted Jack McKinnon, We had

33:55

Jerome felt and playing full back. And then

33:57

the second year I moved into the whiteout room. Jerryus

34:00

was still there. Greg Jennings I believe left the second

34:02

year, Cordell Patterson, Charles Johnson,

34:05

we drafted Diggs and was still

34:07

on the practice squad at that time. Wow, and

34:09

then stayed in that, you know, and then my three years in

34:11

that room as an assistant, feeling became feeling

34:14

obviously Diggs became Digs, and all of a sudden, you had,

34:16

you know, one of the best receiver rooms in the NFL.

34:18

Again, Uh, just by nature of those two players.

34:20

Give me a good dig story that would sum up

34:23

young Stefan dis because he's a fifth round pick. He's

34:25

not a guy in a first round calibers some of these

34:27

other guys. And yet since he got on the

34:29

field, he's been making places.

34:30

And I think that his work ethic and his love

34:32

of the game of football and his just desire to be great

34:34

was unbelievable, Like I can.

34:36

Remember, And it was one of those I

34:38

can't remember.

34:39

It was after practice, like we were not in the building

34:41

or like as players, like we weren't on the field, and you

34:43

walk in the indoor and the dude has a like full

34:45

lather, looks like he's been running one hundred

34:47

and fifty routes, and to the point

34:50

where like almost happened so consistently we had to stop

34:52

we're like, dude, you're gonna hurt yourself, like you're overworking,

34:55

like you need to slow down. And

34:57

he was just one of those guys like every time, as you said, every

34:59

time he touched the field, it was kind of those head turning

35:01

moments where you're like who

35:03

was Like who was the run that route? Like he just killed

35:05

the top corner scout team, Like he made

35:07

unbelievable catch, and it was like over and over and over again at

35:09

the point where like we got to put this guy on the field, like because

35:12

he was inactive for his first four or five games I remember,

35:15

and then somebody got hurt.

35:16

And he hit the field.

35:16

I think his first game was in Denver, the year they had

35:19

the year they won the Super Bowl. It would have been the year

35:21

they won the Super Bowl with all the fifteen

35:25

with Talib and Chris Harris

35:28

and they had another really good corner and Jackson

35:31

maybe and him and Dealing like went off

35:33

like I think BIG's had one hundred yards at

35:35

Denver and it was like, all right, he's not giving this job

35:37

back, like he's the guy, Like it's very clear.

35:40

That Minnesota miracle where were you take

35:44

us take us through?

35:45

It was wild. I mean, I you know, it's you never

35:47

say the game's over. But a guy fell close

35:50

and uh, you know, the ball

35:52

goes up and you're like, all right, you know when

35:55

he caught it and he ran the ends on the place went nuts. But

35:57

in the booth, you're always like, is a flag down? He didn't

36:00

how much time is left? So like I don't think we like

36:02

nobody moved for a good like thirty seconds

36:04

to a minute as we kind of process what

36:06

happened. And then once everything was like it

36:09

was, I mean, it went it was like complete pandemonium,

36:12

chaos. Like I was down on the field by the time we took

36:14

the knee on the two point play.

36:15

I think, well, they

36:17

brought everyone back.

36:18

Yes, Thomas Morriston

36:20

had to come back.

36:21

You know. Yeah, Like I still get the chills when I

36:23

see highlights of that player think about like it's just

36:26

it was such a cool moment to be a part of, and I mean obviously

36:28

unbelievable play on so many levels.

36:30

I imagine you go as Stefanski because I

36:32

see your next job and the resume as you go

36:34

to Cleveland for a couple of years. Stefanski gets the

36:36

head gig in Cleveland. Does he call you up and say,

36:38

Drew, I need you buddy.

36:39

Yeah, yeah, I mean I worked with Kevin for nine

36:41

years, so we were together six in Minnesota and three in Cleveland.

36:44

Developed a great relationship with him. He was one of those guys

36:46

who brought me under his wing. And you know, he had a young coach,

36:48

got his first position job there in Minnesota when

36:50

I got there, and and just taught me so much

36:52

about the game, how to coach, how to develop

36:54

relationship with the players, the big picture of

36:57

the NFL. And so when he got that opportunity

36:59

and Zim was willing to let me have that opportunity

37:02

to go with him, I was special. You know, I have a

37:04

ton of respect for him and obviously oh so much

37:06

to him. So it was fun to be a part of his first

37:08

time doing it, running the show, being in

37:10

charge. It was awesome. All

37:13

right.

37:13

Now, take us you go to Arizona with Gannon.

37:15

Obviously you had a history with him. Take us

37:17

to the Josh Dobbs roller coaster before the season.

37:19

I know you're obviously intimately involved

37:22

because of the Cleveland thing, and we'll

37:24

wrap shortly, but I got to hear how Dobbs

37:27

ends up in Arizona and you had to play some

37:29

sort of role because he was in Cleveland with you too.

37:30

Yeah, I mean I certainly had a relationship with him.

37:32

MANI our GM had him the last couple of games

37:34

there in Tennessee, and I think it's one of those

37:36

things that as an organization, we're always going to try to make the

37:38

team better in any little thing we can

37:40

do from a roster perspective in terms of the way we operate.

37:43

So it was like my job, and I said this to it, was

37:45

like, Hey, everybody in that room, my job is to get you ready to start

37:47

in the NFL. And I think Moni came to me somewhere

37:50

during the you know, the end of training game, say hey, I think

37:52

this is an opportunity that may be available to us.

37:54

What are your thoughts on it? How do you feel about the person the player?

37:57

How long will it take to get him ready if this is the move?

37:59

And I just kind of broke it down. I said, look, the language

38:01

is going to be early similar. He's an extremely smart

38:03

player, so I don't think there's going to be like

38:06

a long runway certainly.

38:07

Here the pros what he brings to the team here.

38:10

Obviously some of the issues of bringing him in ten days

38:12

before the season, but if that's the decision that

38:14

we choose an organization to think this gives us the best chance,

38:16

I know we can make it work. And MONI did

38:19

a great job and has done a great job since I've been here,

38:21

always trying to improve the roster and always

38:23

trying to make us competitive. So it's it was

38:25

one of those things he thought it was best for the team. I certainly

38:27

was on board, with A JG obviously a big part of that. And

38:30

he got in here and hit the ground running very quickly, and kudos

38:32

to him because that's not an easy task.

38:34

I mean, that was unbelievable in itself. And then he has a

38:36

second chapter already with Minnesota. Have you reached out

38:38

to him at all and just said, hey, bro, like I'm watching, like

38:41

I know their rivals, but it's been unbelievable.

38:43

Yeah, absolutely so, we like when we obviously

38:46

last week when we lost to Cleveland was his first game

38:48

playing checked the stat line texted him right

38:50

away was so far up from him, and it's

38:52

so far. I love watching him play, love the energy he brings.

38:55

He's obviously done a great job for them, and I think,

38:57

you know, it really worked out for everybody. I think that's the when

38:59

when you can have a win win like that, it's it's always a good

39:01

situation.

39:02

All right. And now back to the Cardinals wrapping

39:04

it up with this Kyler Honors

39:06

back on the field, We've got all these young wide

39:09

receivers Ron Dill and of course Marquis

39:11

and then I'm loving what I'm seeing this kid

39:13

Michael Wilson, and then Trey McBride, the

39:15

tight end who took a little while in his career to get

39:17

going, is now a real factor. So

39:19

much young talent. And then you have the number

39:21

six overall pick in Johnson playing well

39:23

on offensive line like this. If

39:26

you're a viewer at home and you don't watch a lot of Arizona

39:28

Cardinals football, what would be your message to them,

39:30

but what they can expect for the second half of the season.

39:32

Yeah, I think it's where you hit on early. And as we were talking,

39:34

it's the effort and energy we play with. I think that's got

39:36

to be our calling card. Is we have to outwork people,

39:38

we have to out effort people. We have to play with an energy

39:41

and an enthusiasm that people aren't either capable

39:43

or willing to match consistently, regardless

39:45

score, regardless of outcome. So I think that's what we

39:47

want to have. The guys have fum playing football and

39:49

going out there and enjoying what they're doing and doing at a high level,

39:52

and I think they're seeing that from the young guys in the locker room, really

39:54

from everybody. I think the team's really embrace that attitude,

39:56

that energy, and it's fun to be a part of and

39:58

it keeps you competitive, it keeps you in games. And

40:01

we got to do a little bit more and a little bit better to win

40:03

some of these games and to turn the time. But I

40:05

think everybody feels like it is really close, and I think

40:07

that's where the buying and the energy and the effort comes

40:09

from.

40:09

And we just got to keep it going.

40:11

And Kyler he's been his exceeded expectations

40:13

from what it sounds like.

40:14

Yeah, he's been awesome.

40:15

I can't say enough about him as a player, as a person,

40:17

as a teammate.

40:18

He's been extremely fun to work with.

40:20

I was so fired up for him and so proud of him

40:22

just to watch him go out there and do what I know he's

40:24

capable of, and certainly he knows he's capable

40:26

of, but it's always fun when you get to put it on that stage.

40:28

Did you see the sky cam angle yet that they.

40:30

Did everything about it?

40:31

Obviously, that play was all coaching, right team. Everybody

40:34

was sorry, good job by you.

40:35

You told him do a pirouett

40:37

and run.

40:38

I mean that's what he's I mean, he's so like

40:41

it was. It's unbelievable. I mean it's a game

40:43

saving play. I mean it's third and ten. To go

40:45

make that play in that situation, very few

40:47

people were capable of doing that. So it was just so

40:49

fired up for him, for us obviously,

40:51

and it was it was fun to watch him go do that.

40:54

I end every interview with the same question,

40:56

and it was Nick Cassario was on last

40:58

week and I said, if you were at the combine

41:00

and a twenty something year old guy comes up and he's

41:02

got an ill fooded, ill fitting suit and he's got the

41:05

Manila folder with like a may but it's

41:07

just like college accolades and says,

41:09

I want to get in the NFL, and you have one elevator

41:12

ride twenty seconds. Let's

41:15

put yourself in that Indianapolis situation. You

41:17

got all the team gear on, you got the Cardinals

41:19

stuff, and you just happen to be in with a kid,

41:21

and he kind of has the courage to ask, Hey,

41:23

Drew, I know you're in your mid thirties and I'm

41:25

in my early twenties, but like, what would be your one piece

41:27

of advice for getting in the league.

41:29

Yeah, to be willing to do whatever

41:31

it takes.

41:31

Be willing to take any opportunity, no matter how

41:33

small, no matter what building it in, no matter what the role

41:36

is, and do a really good job at it.

41:38

And it doesn't matter what that role is, embrace

41:40

it, be the best at it, and develop

41:42

great relationships as you go in that role. You

41:45

know, the way that you connect with people, the way

41:47

that you interact with any building that you get into, regardless

41:49

of what they're asking you do, I think is so important to

41:52

your overall goal.

41:53

Of getting into the NFL and continue to.

41:54

Make it true. This is

41:56

awesome. Drew Petsing, offensive coordinator

41:59

of the Arizona Cardinals, fun young

42:01

offense mid season. I

42:03

understand there's a million things you've got to be doing. You got to be

42:05

in the lab cooking and getting Kyler going. But I

42:07

so appreciate you taking twenty minutes to hop

42:09

on the podcast. It's a real pleasure for Rostt.

42:11

Yeah, appreciate you guys. Thanks a lot for having me.

42:13

I was really juice to be on awesome stuff. Drew

42:15

Pettsing, offensive coordinator of the Cardinals. Good

42:17

luck this weekend, man, Thanks a lot.

42:23

I didn't know how he would take it. Drew Petsing's

42:25

thirty four, Aaron thirty six?

42:27

Isn't he thirty six?

42:29

I think he's thirty six.

42:30

I know he's younger than me. He's in his thirties,

42:32

like super young.

42:33

Thirty six.

42:33

Yeah, very impressive.

42:37

I always love when, like a coach or a coordinator

42:40

comes from one side of the ball and then

42:42

moves to the other. True other than

42:45

Matt Patricia, but other than.

42:47

That, relate in life. I remember

42:49

what back in the day, the Eagles were rolling

42:51

and they had a guy named Juan Castillo

42:54

who was their offensive line. Coaches like peak

42:56

Andy Reid, like dream team

42:58

Eagles, and then they moved him the defensive

43:01

coordinator, and like it does, sometimes doesn't

43:03

work. Drew was early enough

43:05

in his career where he went from defense to offense.

43:07

You think about those mentors North Turner and

43:09

then like Stefanski, I look at us a peer because

43:12

the fancy's my age. He's early forties and he's

43:14

like I really looked up to Stefanski, and it's

43:16

like, there's young guns coming and thirty

43:18

six years old. I know mcveigh's thirty six

43:21

as well, and you've got guys who

43:23

are in their thirties all across the league, but Drew's

43:25

one of them. And I kind of liked the fact he didn't

43:28

He didn't necessarily play at Ohio State, he didn't

43:30

play at Penn State. He was hurt

43:32

his sophomore year at Middlebury and was

43:34

like, screw it, I'm not giving this

43:37

dream up. Drew

43:39

pat sing that was cool. You know. I don't know if

43:41

the Arizona Cardinals are the top of

43:43

the conversation right now, but I thought what they

43:45

did on Sunday was awesome, beating the Falcons and

43:47

seeing Kyler back. So I thought that was really cool,

43:49

and thank you for Drew for doing it and for the Cardinals

43:52

organization. Real quick way off

43:54

topic, and you could turn it off if you don't

43:56

like the off topic stuff. I won't be

43:58

insulted. Travis

44:01

Kelsey was in Argentina this weekend.

44:03

He was in Germany. The weekend before that. He

44:05

is on his by Max

44:08

out with Taylor Swift on Camroach

44:10

was romantic and hot and steamy.

44:14

She'd changed the lyrics songs

44:17

Karma to talk about the Kans City Chiefs tight

44:19

end. We're recording this on Tuesday.

44:21

He's back in Kansas City, he's back at practice,

44:24

and we just posed

44:27

the question to Scott Pioli, the ex

44:29

Kansas City Chiefs GM,

44:33

what his thoughts were about a player going to Argentina,

44:35

you know, and he answered it like I wouldn't think

44:37

twice about it. It's Kelsey's thirty four. Like Scott's

44:40

answer was right, He's earned it.

44:42

Like whatever. The fact that we asked

44:45

it on Good Morning Football, We're

44:47

getting hundreds of tweets from Chiefs

44:49

fans like super triggered, like how

44:52

dare you question it? Like it's his off week?

44:54

Is that I think it's this story

44:56

has been kind of a rollercoaster, and now

44:59

it's like Chiefs fans are super defensive

45:01

about it, even questioning it, and I think people

45:03

are looking at Kelsey and I know Bill Simmons's questioning

45:06

like all right, even I on

45:08

Monday's show was like, all

45:10

right, say it. I went to Mexico for my

45:12

tie is one thing. Gosh, she

45:14

was at Mahomes's charity event on Thursdays in

45:17

Argentina's week, like it is something

45:19

to track. I have no opinion on it. I

45:21

love Travis, as I've mentioned multiple

45:23

times here. We have a great relationship and he's

45:25

truly in love right now and it's cool and

45:27

it hasn't stopped them. They're the first place team.

45:30

I'm wondering when this thing turns

45:32

and I see the chief schedule gets complicated

45:34

coming up, Aaron your thoughts

45:37

and he might attract the venom

45:39

of the Taylor Swift hive, So

45:42

I would be careful with what you say because it's not just

45:44

a Taylor Swift.

45:44

Time right, it's the Chief.

45:46

It's more vocal, like f off, don't

45:48

even question this love.

45:50

And to just to be clear too, you're

45:52

saying he's in Germany the week before, he's in Germany

45:54

for the game. He wasn't traveling. It's not

45:56

like he was there to see her concert

45:58

and then went to Argentina. So he was there for

46:01

the game and then they have the bye week again.

46:04

Travis Kelsey is thirty four. He is not

46:06

first year quarterback whose team is struggling.

46:09

I actually have no problem with him going

46:11

to Argentina to watch the concert. I

46:13

thought the video of him standing there,

46:15

I think it's with her dad when when

46:18

when the lyric is changed and it's like it

46:20

doesn't register for him right away and his

46:22

dad, Oh my, I can't believe I'm sitting here talking

46:25

about it.

46:25

It was a.

46:26

Concert and his dad is like so

46:28

excited for him. I'm like grabbing

46:30

Travis. So I love that.

46:32

That was nice.

46:33

And you know, we we hear

46:35

all these stories about like, oh,

46:38

Taylor was at the Chiefs game and

46:40

she had to get snuck out in the popcorn

46:43

movie. Instead, this was her running

46:45

off stage. He's standing right there and

46:47

she embraces him. You know what, call me a

46:49

sucker. And this is like the

46:52

one Harry met Sally moment. But I'm

46:54

all for it. Great, good for him. I think it's great.

46:56

It was beautiful. I'm not kidding, like

46:58

I loved it. I thought it was beautiful

47:00

and sweet and everything

47:03

was great about it. I hope they don't

47:05

lose three straight and Kel's he starts like dropping

47:07

past this man. It's

47:10

going well for now, dude,

47:12

I love it. One more thing. I

47:14

got a call early this morning from

47:17

my friend Chris, who listens

47:19

to the podcast and says he

47:21

does a four mile walk

47:24

every morning, from like five to seven

47:27

walks around Manhattan. I think he's like in Central

47:29

Park and he gets where he clears his head. And

47:32

Aaron, he was ecstatic

47:34

to share with me how much he enjoys,

47:36

not me, not the music that

47:38

we do, not the topics, not the guests. He's

47:41

like, I love your co host. He's

47:44

like, he's great. He's got a great demeanor, he's

47:46

got a great approach.

47:48

I'm like, use his words like dowur Yeah.

47:50

I'm like, hell yeah, Aaron's the man. And

47:52

he's like from like the

47:55

the non Shrigger part of Brooklyn, where I don't

47:57

even know where you live. And I love that about

47:59

you. You come in with a completely different viewpoint,

48:01

a completely different style. You're of a different generation,

48:04

and gosh, you and I were making right here.

48:07

Dude, may Well. I appreciate it, and thank

48:09

you to him too, And I mean, I uh that

48:12

that just makes me jealous that I didn't go for a nice

48:14

long walk this morning.

48:15

Doesn't It sounds great?

48:16

Perfect.

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hear from Drew Petsing, who got the

50:00

most out of Kyler Murray that we've seen in twelve months

50:03

because Kyler's been recovering from that ACL. I've

50:05

been asked by a lot of this listeners over Twitter

50:07

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50:09

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50:12

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50:14

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going and performing karaoke, singing some

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song none of us have heard from a show tune from like

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if we can get there.

50:36

And then doing only Taylor Swift songs,

50:38

replacing lyrics with Travis Kelce.

50:40

Exactly right, that's what, yeah, exactly

50:42

right. And then you and I will go to like a club.

50:44

We'll go to like Delilah, and it'll be like

50:46

the hot Spot, and I'm gonna get

50:48

paparazzi to take photos of us walking

50:51

amidst all the NFL celebrities

50:53

and elites, and maybe Scott Swift will

50:56

like wear a Chief slanyard and like kind of

50:58

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