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What's Up, Everybody? Welcome to the Season

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with Peter Schrager. We have now entered the

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month of April, which is Draft season

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s z N. It's

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my favorite time of year. And as I promised

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in our last podcast, although Good Morning Football

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is not on the air during

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Draft season, I will be churning

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out content and a lot of it will be through

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this podcast. Here I'm joined by the great Aaron

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Wang Kaufman. Aaron, how was your

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Easter weekend and how have you been?

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My friend?

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Pretty good? I mean it was unlike today. It was a

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pretty beautiful time in Brooklyn

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and New York. We've spent some time in Prospect Park,

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went for some runs, you know, I had

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some good outdoor time finally.

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Which I feel like I love hearing. It been a little cold.

1:05

So can I ask you have you

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been caught up in the Caitlin Clark hysteria

1:11

at all? Caught

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up?

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I mean I am aware

1:15

of it. I will admit

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I am more closely following

1:21

NBA right now than I am more interesting.

1:24

Really typically for me, like

1:26

once the NFL ends is when I really

1:28

get into the NBA and

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like I don't. I don't watch a ton of

1:33

NBA games during the NFL season, but the

1:35

NFL season ends, like then I'm like full

1:38

in on washing NBA. Uh,

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And I think there are a lot of great storylines there. I have

1:42

just watched clips and highlights of.

1:44

Okay, I watched a full Dame full

1:46

game last night. Lsu I was She's unbelievable

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and I've been a fan of her for some time and not

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name dropping here, she and I text quite

1:54

a bit. The reason being, and

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this goes back three years

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to the Combine. The

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women's Beak ten tournament

2:05

was in Indianapolis. I guess two years

2:07

ago. It wasn't my last year's year before, and

2:09

Iowa was staying in the same hotel as me,

2:11

and I'm at the bar and the Iowa

2:14

Athletic director or the

2:17

SID whoever it was, and I started talking

2:20

and she's talking to me about you know,

2:22

Caitlyn loves the

2:24

Chiefs. She loves Patrick Mahomes,

2:26

she loves it all. So I reach out to Brett Veach,

2:29

the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs, and I'm

2:31

like, are you aware that Kitlyn Clark absolutely

2:33

loves Mahomes and the Chiefs, and

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he goes, yes, we've been I'm aware of it, but

2:37

I've never had a chance to connect. And

2:39

then I got through this sid

2:43

in contact with Kitlyn Clark. I put her

2:45

in contact with Brett Veach. We we have a text

2:47

chain, the three of us, and Veach

2:49

is like her biggest cheerleader. Obviously

2:52

you see her in all these state formads. She is

2:55

a legit Chiefs fan. She went Christmas

2:57

Day if I'm not mistaken, and like, let

2:59

us all know that she was going. They lost to the Raiders

3:01

that day. But Caitlyn Clark is no

3:04

joke a football fan. Knows her

3:06

Chiefs inside and out. And there's

3:08

like pictures of her like from

3:10

her childhood wearing I don't

3:12

even know which player, probably like a priest Homes

3:15

jersey or something. But is she from Iowa

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though she's not even from Kansas, not from Kansas

3:19

City. There's no like geographical

3:21

connection. I'm sure there is some action.

3:24

I'm from Buffalo and one Bill's fans, so I get

3:26

that totally makes sense.

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So she loves the Chiefs and I tweeted

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last night I said, she's my Homes,

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she has ten threes and forty one points, and like

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everyone knows she's gonna do it to you, and she does it anyway. About

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a haters, I love it. People are like she's not one

3:39

shit yet and I'm like, well yeah. They're

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like, she's taking this IOWA team past

3:44

at defending champions to the final four and last

3:46

year she went to the finals. They're like, nope,

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until she went to chips, she ain't Mahomes. Bro. I'm

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like, all right, you know what, I respect

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that. If we're gonna talk about women

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athletes and in a fair and equal way with men's

3:57

athletes, we judge these NFL

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players by their chips and by their by

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their championships, and into this case, until phil

4:04

Caitlyn Clark gets one, maybe two,

4:06

maybe three, maybe we shouldn't put her in the same breath as

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Mahomes real quick.

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The one the one complaint

4:13

about the comparison is that she hasn't won

4:15

a championship. That's pretty amazing. That's

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like good right.

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Like it's like no one's saying, like, no, she's not as athletically

4:20

gifted, or she's not as great an ambassador

4:23

of the sport. I love watching her.

4:25

I loved watching the Yukon shooter yesterday

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Page Bruckers, who, by the way, is

4:30

coming off multiple knee injuries and

4:32

is doing, you know, carrying this team

4:34

on her back. So I mean on the women's

4:36

tournament. But I have to tell you, yeah,

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the men's tournament has been

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such a love story for me and my son,

4:44

and this is gonna get sentimental. So he's seven years

4:47

old. I get the news that Good

4:49

Morning Football is going on hiatus and

4:51

there's a move and there's relocation, and it's a

4:53

lot and it's emotional and I don't know how

4:55

to tell them. We I really haven't told him. We're trying to figure

4:57

it all out, like how we talk about this. But

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then the tournament starts and I'm like,

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okay, I'm like, well, let me explain

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to you seven years old, I'm explain to you what bracket is.

5:07

So he fills out the bracket with me, and

5:09

he's got some upsets and like he has

5:11

Yukon and Purdue and

5:14

he's like super into both teams. And we

5:16

go on vacation to South Carolina and

5:18

this is like such like lifetime

5:20

memories and I don't know

5:23

why. And I still like mad Dog Russo here. But these

5:25

NCAA tournament games start at ten o'clock at

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night, Like it's completely insane. I don't know who stays

5:29

up for these games, but yes, these

5:31

games are late night games. Fine and

5:34

I and we're all in the same hotel

5:36

room. We got the baby in a crib, we got

5:38

my son. I'm like, we can't have the music. We have

5:40

the sound on, but we can do it. Mute. Mommy's

5:42

gonna try to go to bed. And he's in this little

5:44

cot and he's staying up till

5:47

midnight watching Alabama Clemson

5:50

and watch and like staying up and

5:52

he's into it and he wakes up the next morning. And here's

5:54

the best part. We're in a

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no money free bracket on Yahoo

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where it's just our family, my wife, him

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and me, and he's in first place and

6:03

he's excited. But there's this little tab it

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says leaderboard, and

6:09

if you click on that tab, it is everyone

6:11

who's put a bracket in on Yahoo. My

6:13

son is following this as if it's the

6:15

NFL playoffs and standings and tiebreakers,

6:18

and he's he's like, Dale's

6:20

in first place right now, but Dale actually

6:22

has Alabama.

6:25

You know, beating Yukon or

6:27

Alabama. Yeah, Alabama beating Ucon So Dale's

6:29

not gonna win. And there's this guy named Ed all

6:32

right, and I feel like if I was still writing

6:34

a sports chart, like I would write like, uh it

6:37

was Mitch album piece or Rick Riley pieces on

6:39

this Ed on the Yahoo

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leaderboard, Ed has

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NC State in

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there in his final four that he has NC

6:49

State beating Yukon

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in the NCAA finals, and

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Ed right now is in first place. Mel is obsessed with

6:57

Ed's bracket every morning wakes up. He's like, because

6:59

Ed's still in first I'm like, yes, there hasn't been

7:01

any game since NC State won unbeat

7:03

Duke. So Ed, Ed, if you're a

7:05

listener of the Sea and you have the number

7:07

one bracket in all of Yahoo right now, because

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you're the only person anywhere who's got to left

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and c at NC State, know that you've got a fan in my

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son and a fan in me. I would love to meet Ed.

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And Mel thinks it's so funny that his name is just Ed.

7:19

It's not some crazy bracket like, you

7:21

know, we all have our bracket names. He's

7:23

just Ed, so Ed Yahoo

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number one, which is a good segue to

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our guest right now, as ed has NC

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State and maybe

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the most captivating

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college basketball player in recent history,

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this Dj Burns. He's listed at

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six nine two and seventy five pounds,

7:40

big body, he doesn't jump, he

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just scores and has got incredible footwork and

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uses his as Bill Rafford says, his dvery

7:47

air, it's to to

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his maximum mobility. I love watching

7:52

him play. I had a tweet saying that

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a general manager and a scout multiple

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ones actually were talking to me about

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if he had a pro day that people

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would show up, and it blew up on Monday, and

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I figured who better to have talk about Jay

8:06

Burns as an NFL prospect then

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a guy who was a front office

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member of six different Super Bowl teams and has

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won four of them and runs the Senior Bowl. Jim

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Naggy. It's a pleasure to do

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this podcast with you, Aaron. Jim Naggy's great.

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Can't wait to talk to him about Dj Burns,

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an NFL prospect coming

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up after this. Our

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guest this week is a dear friend of mine and one

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of my favorite people to talk NFL

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Draft but also football in general.

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We've had him on before

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on the season with Peter Schreger.

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He is the executive director of

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the Reese's Senior Bowl. He's an

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eighteen year NFL scout,

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and he's a four time Super

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Bowl champion as a front office

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member. Mister Jim Naggy, Welcome back to the season

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with Peter Schreger.

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Peter, thanks for having me back on. It's going

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to be fun.

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Yes, it is going to be fun. We are less than a month

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away. We are now officially in April, and I plan

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on having you on multiple times in

9:11

the lead up of the draft. But I specifically

9:14

wanted to have you on because of a

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tweet that I put out yesterday morning

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that I didn't realize would cause a

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maustrom of

9:25

vitriol support

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attention. I've been asked to go on no

9:32

less than twenty different talk radio

9:34

shows over the last forty eight hours over

9:37

a tweet that I had. In

9:39

fact, I will read you my tweet that I

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had, as I think it's the last tweet

9:43

I've put out there, and if you're not on Twitter, I'm

9:45

sure you can gather what

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I was referring to. Here's my tweet. April

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first spoke to

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and texted multiple scouts and GMS

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about North Carolina State big man

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DJ Burns as an NFL offensive

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tackle prospect over the last twenty four hours.

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Fact I did. He

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is listed at six ' nine, but he's probably

10:06

six seven. He's got a plus footwork,

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would get a big turnout and

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potentially money if he participated

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in a pro day or workout the week after

10:16

the Final four. By potentially money, I meant

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could get drafted, we get signed as a as

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a undrafted free agent. I

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put that tweet out not thinking anything

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of it. It has twelve million impressions,

10:29

two point four thousand

10:31

reposts, and over one

10:34

thousand comments, most

10:36

of them assuming it was either an April

10:39

fool's gag or

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I am some sort of idiot

10:44

for suggesting as much, which is what is

10:46

the nature of online now. Yesterday,

10:50

yesterday, Jim Nagy, who I trust more

10:52

than anybody when it comes to NFL draft

10:54

and scouting and the like, posts

10:57

the following tweet got text

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from a GM, an assistant GM, and

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a college director. With an hour of posting

11:04

this last Friday night, there is NFL

11:06

in and DJ Burns and it is a real thing.

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And last Friday night you posted

11:10

somebody said anyone else having trouble watching NC

11:13

State big man DJ Burns and not thinking about him

11:15

kick sliding and pass protection or getting out on

11:17

tolls. Can't just be me, And

11:19

then a few hours later, yesterday he wrote,

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I don't do lame April Fools

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posts, Jim. The reaction to your

11:26

tweet suggesting him as just a

11:28

potential offensive

11:30

lineman in the NFL was what.

11:34

Well, a couple of things here.

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First, Peter, like mine got a lot of traction,

11:37

but not twelve million like yours

11:39

did. I don't have quite the following. Man,

11:42

I just you know, it's kind of a sickness for football

11:44

people. You can't watch you can't watch

11:46

hoops without your brain going to what

11:48

could this guy be on a football field? And

11:50

so yeah, I threw that out last Friday night, and

11:52

again three rebuddies hit me up. I came, ah, I'm

11:55

watching the game. I was thinking the same thing. So

11:58

many things have to happen for this got to be a football

12:00

player. I'm not saying he's gonna be on an NFL

12:03

football field next Well that's not what I'm saying.

12:05

But with that, with that body type, I'm

12:07

with you. They list him at six ' nine. I'm

12:10

I'm guessing NFL scouts and probably

12:12

get him at six seven. He's probably

12:14

not the two seventy five he's list. Dad, he's probably

12:16

north of three bills. But

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it's just an exercise you do, man, You what you watch?

12:21

You know, kind of a long six ' three guard with

12:23

long arms, ding guys up and with great movement,

12:26

lateral movement, in reactiveness.

12:28

I mean, you know, you think what that guy

12:30

looks like at corner corner?

12:32

So so yeah, I mean I just threw that out

12:34

in the middle of March madness because

12:36

I don't watch a lot of basketball anymore. I

12:38

mean, saw this DJ Burns guy doing his thing,

12:41

and uh, it's kind of blown up. I mean, so

12:43

yes, So yesterday Bleacher Report picked

12:45

up my thing and next thing, you know, my son

12:48

texts me like, hey, Dad, you're in our You're in

12:50

our buddies group chat right

12:52

now.

12:52

Like what's going on? So it's been Yeah,

12:54

it's been kind of crazy.

12:56

It's a perfect storm of a little

12:58

bit of a lull in the draft season and

13:00

then this incredible Cinderella ride

13:03

and you and I as football

13:05

people, and I saw several different

13:07

football people and my phone also blowing

13:09

up with not just NFL

13:12

fan at GMS

13:14

saying I would do anything to

13:16

get my hands on just to see what a raw you

13:18

know. So what really spurred my

13:20

tweet was, I don't know his title.

13:23

He's ad a organization, he's been there for years

13:25

and he's the number two guy there. I don't know the official

13:27

title. I said to him,

13:29

am I crazy? And that this guy could

13:32

have a pro day workout and NFL teams would

13:34

flock to it. And he said, yeah,

13:37

one hundred NFL teams would flock

13:39

to it, and he can make quite a bit of money.

13:41

And he started listening names. He was like Ji Lewis

13:44

at George Mason was not

13:47

even close to his mobile and as Gifton footwork

13:49

wise, this guy and he got a tryout and

13:51

team showed up. And you go through

13:53

it, whether it be Moley Cox or

13:55

whether it be in recent

13:57

years, George Fant at a Western Kentucky.

14:01

There is a place in the Rico gathers

14:03

at a Baylor. These were college basketball

14:05

players in the torn minute. And maybe

14:08

it makes NFL luddites,

14:11

an NFL knuckleheads like us look

14:13

like we're you know, our heads in the sand. And

14:16

it takes an NCAA tournament run to notice

14:18

these guys because at Winthrop he was

14:20

the conference player of the year. It's not like he wasn't doing

14:22

it. But sometimes on the grand

14:25

stage, when you have a performance like

14:27

this, it does open eyes and people

14:29

start thinking in football terms, and I will

14:31

put my name on it, and I think I'm pretty reliable

14:33

on this stuff. If he was to have a pro day

14:37

next week, there would be teams

14:39

that would show up, and I think there might be a full

14:41

Arsenal love team showing up. Am I wrong?

14:44

You are one hundred percent right, Peter? Just to unpack

14:46

a couple of those things, those names you talked about.

14:49

When I was with the Seahawks, we had mow Ally

14:52

Cox walking the halls on a thirty visit at this

14:54

time of year.

14:55

After his pro day, he was up into the building.

14:57

We drafted George or no, we got George

14:59

Fans, an undrafted free agent. If

15:01

I could go back, like, I got to hit up some guys

15:04

in Seattle to see if they can send me his

15:06

pro video.

15:07

Let me hear so Hey's at Western Kentucky.

15:09

He played I want to say, one year

15:12

of college ball. He did play the football

15:14

right.

15:14

He did he put out a helmet, but he barely

15:17

played.

15:17

He barely played, and we put

15:19

him through a tight end workout at the Pro day, and

15:22

all I remember is the red zone drill.

15:24

They were throwing in red zone fades, and

15:26

here's this guy that's like, at the time two

15:28

hundred and eighty pounds maybe just

15:31

getting off the ground. It was unbelievable, the

15:33

body control, of the leaping ability. And

15:35

you know, a long story short now whatever it is. Ten years

15:37

later, he's been in the league forever and he's bepent on a tackle.

15:39

They you know, we put a bunch of weight on him

15:41

and just.

15:42

Had a great NFL career.

15:43

I mean, I started a ton

15:45

of games, so no the league would

15:47

show up. And the other thing I'll say, after

15:49

all this stuff happened yesterday and all this your

15:51

stuff's catching fire. A buddy

15:54

of mine who's a scout that lives in the

15:56

research triangle there in North

15:58

Carolina, really close to Raleigh. He

16:00

texted me he was like, man, you are killing

16:02

me right now with these sweets.

16:04

He's like, I was his

16:07

hope.

16:07

His hope was NC State gets bounced in

16:09

the first round or in the first couple of rounds. Yeah,

16:11

and then he was gonna try to sneak in and get over there

16:13

and work them on himself, and you know, stash

16:15

the guy away and sign him after the draft. He's

16:18

like, well, now that's not that's not in the

16:20

in the cards, because you're right. If they had a pro day,

16:23

man over half of the league would probably be there.

16:24

I would get Yeah.

16:26

And here's the thing, and you said it when

16:28

you were talking about it. We're not suggesting

16:30

he won't have a fine NBA career.

16:32

We're not suggesting he's limited and basketball

16:34

is not a future. We're just saying

16:37

you see that body. You see how

16:40

nimbly is You see the way he moves

16:42

in the paint. That is offensive lineman,

16:44

footwork man, that all that stuff that he's doing,

16:46

the drop step, all this stuff that is that

16:48

is stuff that that offensive line coaches

16:51

spend years trying to develop. You

16:53

see it already with that Yeah.

16:55

Yeah, And you and I are an NBA scouts.

16:57

I have no idea what I'm looking at.

16:59

You know, when it comes to the projection of the to

17:01

the National Basketball Association.

17:03

And I'm sure he could play overseas.

17:05

There's a lot of basketball probably, but all

17:07

you and I were on the same page, Like it's the whole

17:10

curiosity thing is what would it look

17:12

like with Pats?

17:13

That's all it was.

17:14

That's all it is. Now what would it take then

17:16

from this stage going from

17:18

now put on in your front office hat. Say

17:21

they lose or they win, say they win found

17:23

you know, whatever they be. I think they who does NC

17:26

State play that they play Purdue? So it's him and

17:28

Zach Edie, which I am excited to see.

17:31

Let's say they lose on Saturday, and

17:34

let's say he has a pro day. What

17:36

what would be the workout you would put him through

17:38

if you were to be the person who was at the PRODA

17:40

and wanted to actually see him do football exercises?

17:45

Yeah, great question. It's gonna

17:47

have to happen quickly, you know, with

17:49

nil stuff. I'm sure he has an agent,

17:51

now that's probably not an NFL certified

17:53

agent, contract agent. I'm sure there's a

17:55

lot of those guys right now that might be scrambling

17:57

to get away to uh to DJ Burns

18:00

right now. But it's gonna have It would have to

18:02

come together quickly because we got the draft here and

18:04

you know, less than a month. But

18:06

I would try to do all like a full workout

18:09

and run a forty do the shuttles, bench

18:11

press.

18:11

I don't know.

18:12

The guy probably hasn't been lived in a bunch in season.

18:14

Although teams would love to know how strong he is.

18:16

That's gonna be. That's a big component of it as.

18:18

Well height and weight.

18:19

Right, you'd measure him, Oh yeah.

18:21

You certainly measure him. You

18:23

do all, you know, a three cone short shuttle, vertical,

18:26

broad jump, forty yard dash, all like

18:29

standard pro day stuff, and then

18:31

just have him go through an offensive line position workout.

18:33

I've seen people say, well, what about tight end. That

18:35

doesn't look like a tight end body type to me. But

18:38

I would have him slide and you know, redirect

18:40

and pass set and you know, get out on pole.

18:42

See him open his hips up and get out and run all

18:45

that stuff. I'd see him, you know, pop a bag and see.

18:48

Now I did hear that he has played football.

18:50

And that's eight oh grade, eighth grade.

18:53

At least he.

18:53

Knows where, you know, thigh pads go in his

18:56

pants and everything. At least he's put on pads before.

18:58

Because the guys that have made the you

19:00

know, the transition successfully, most

19:02

of them have played you're going back to like Antonio

19:05

Gates and Jim Like those guys

19:07

had played football in high school.

19:08

So so we would see, but it would be fun.

19:10

But yeah, I would put him through just a normal standard

19:13

pro day workout.

19:14

Yeah, I'm trying to think of some like guys like do you

19:16

remember Quinton Rollins played point

19:19

guard at Miami of Ohio and then that

19:21

I think a Packers draft him in the second or first round

19:23

as a corner. Like there's been guys who

19:25

have played high levels obviously at both

19:27

and we can go through the NFL history of

19:30

you know whoever it is. There's a

19:32

long litany of guys that have

19:35

played it. But I you know, I look

19:37

back at like Vida Veya had

19:39

a very very decorated high school

19:41

basketball career. Quentin Nelson, I believe went

19:43

to Red Bank Catholic or Red Bank Regional

19:45

in New Jersey and was like an all state player. Like,

19:48

it's not unprecedented for guys who played

19:50

high school ball to that make the transition.

19:53

What is unprecedented is to not play

19:55

any college football. And yet you

19:58

tell me Jordan Mei Alotta didn't play a snap

20:00

of football's entire life and got drafted,

20:02

wasn't just an undrafted guy by the Eagles

20:05

in the seventh round and is now one of the best offensive tackles

20:07

in the sport Becausejeff Sttlin coaches him up.

20:09

Yep, No, he came to mind yesterday.

20:13

I have done a couple podcasts and radio

20:15

shows like you talked about Malta came

20:17

up. He's he he would be a developmental

20:19

player, right, it would. It would take two or three years

20:21

probably in what we don't know.

20:24

The toughness thing is is probably

20:26

the biggest component that we don't know, right

20:29

And I love some of the Charles Barkley stories about

20:31

when he went out to play football one day in high school

20:33

and yeah, coaches like, all right, Charles, we'll see you tomorrow.

20:36

He's like, no, you won't. I'm good. I'm

20:38

good not doing that anymore.

20:40

So.

20:41

Yeah, it's just fun stuff to think about.

20:43

Uh. Pete Prisco, who is

20:45

polarizing too many online, is one of my favorite

20:47

guys because he says what he thinks and he's just always

20:49

been himself. He's real. He said,

20:52

slow it all down. You know, there's

20:55

football tough and there's basketball tough, and

20:57

we have no idea if he's football tough.

21:00

That's absolutely right. Yeah, Pete, Pete nailed

21:02

it.

21:02

Yeah, that's a big that's a big part

21:04

of it. And again, a lot of these projects have been

21:07

tight ends. A lot of these projections that have hit

21:09

have bet you know the Mo Walley Cox is the Jimmy

21:11

Grahams. Yeah, that's

21:13

a different position. You can flex those guys out

21:15

right and make those guys pass catchers. I mean,

21:17

if DJ Burns hits,

21:20

he would hit as an offensive lineman. And and there

21:22

are there are more finesse tackles

21:24

than than than others, and there's

21:26

power players, but it's there's a

21:28

there's an element of physicality regardless

21:31

if you're on the line of scrimmage.

21:33

So that is the great unknown.

21:35

Your buddy who lives in that area

21:37

was trying to keep it quiet. Do you think there's a lot

21:39

of those in the draft where

21:41

there's like, hey, this is a little undercover gem

21:44

that no one else has that that I know,

21:46

and we're not going to publicize it, but might

21:48

not be on the radar. And plays basketball

21:50

like, is there someone dedicated to that? And each

21:52

team I don't know how front offices work, but someone

21:55

put a tweet out who said, forget

21:58

what team, it might have been Denver or

22:00

New England, and it was like, since twenty

22:02

twenty two, this guy's been hired and his job

22:05

is to look at all college basketball

22:07

players and try to find the guys, you know,

22:09

the square for the

22:11

round peg that maybe the sport is wrong

22:13

and we can match him up and get into football. Is there

22:15

is that a dedicated job in a front office.

22:18

I've never known it to be a dedicated job. That's

22:20

a really good question, you know,

22:22

speaking to the guy that's up there. I mean, when

22:25

they're in your backyard, you might take your take

22:27

your kid to a basket college basketball game

22:29

and notice him or something like that. But these NFL

22:31

scouts don't have a lot of time to be on watching

22:33

college basketball on television. That's that's That's

22:35

one thing I'll say this after. I want

22:38

to say it might have been after maybe

22:41

after the Allie Cox year and

22:43

we had him up to Seattle. One

22:45

of the guys in our department in Seattle, you know, one

22:47

of the upper level guys, assigned it to all the

22:49

scouts. They broke up the country by

22:52

area scout and did a comprehensive

22:55

study of you know, I don't

22:57

know how he did it. I don't know how analytically he

22:59

broke it down, like what level of basketball player

23:01

they had to be Statistically, I don't know how he found

23:03

him, but he ran searches of guys that did play

23:05

high school for football. Then we're also like

23:08

starting level basketball players, and

23:10

we had to make calls. We had to make calls to

23:12

the basketball programs at schools, which is really

23:15

weird that year, you know, if you're reaching out to like

23:17

directors of basketball operations, those were

23:19

calls I was used to be used to making, And

23:21

I don't know if they still do that, but I know, at least for

23:23

a couple of years up in Seattle, we did that.

23:25

I love that because it shows picking

23:27

outside the box and creativity being

23:31

a football you know, media guy. I'm

23:33

not gonna say a football guy, but football media guy.

23:35

There was always this sensitivity where they'd

23:37

be like, well, if Alan Iverson played football,

23:40

he would be the best, or Randy not

23:42

Randy. If Lebron James played wide receiver,

23:44

he'd be the best wide receiver of all time and

23:46

time and time again. Football people would say,

23:49

slow down, you know, is there

23:51

a threat almost to the football community

23:53

when you hear someone like me tweet out

23:55

DJ Burns could be an offensive tackle in the NFL,

23:58

Like, is it insulting to those who dedicate their lives

24:00

to the position.

24:01

Peter, It shouldn't be. And you are a football guy,

24:04

dude, you sat down there seventy fifth You

24:07

knew that you knew all our seventy fifth guys career

24:10

highlights and everything. Year your football guy, it

24:12

shouldn't be threatening. And you know to

24:14

the lebron thing like, I'll talk about

24:16

Jimmy Graham a little bit. So I scouted

24:19

Jimmy Graham when he was coming out of Miami.

24:21

They had three tight ends that year. I think one was Clive

24:23

Warford. I can't remember who the other guy was, but they were

24:25

all good players. I was there

24:27

in August and we're watching

24:29

in edge of that Joel beginning of practice. You

24:32

know, pads are popping. You know, it's basically

24:34

tight end against against defensive

24:36

end, and Jimmy's getting ragged all

24:38

all over the place. And there was a

24:40

long time scout Joe Collins from the New

24:43

York Giants. He's retired now.

24:45

I love Joe.

24:46

And he looked over at me and he was like He's like, that

24:48

basketball player is going to be the best one. And I'm

24:50

like, Joe, the guy is just getting tossed around

24:52

right now, is going to be the best one.

24:54

And then they broke that drill.

24:55

They they went off and did like seven on seven

24:57

or or you know, rots on air

24:59

with the quarterbacks. And then you saw Jimmy, you

25:02

know, move and break and

25:04

I was like, Okay.

25:05

I looked at Joe. I'm like, you might be onto something, and

25:07

he was like, jim I cheated. I was here yesterday for practicing.

25:10

He saw it, he saw him dominating.

25:12

Yeah, but think about this, So, Jimmy

25:14

Graham has, you know, kind of a borderline

25:16

Hall of Fame career.

25:18

Who knows what.

25:18

I saw a tweet the other day like, what what would Jimmy's

25:21

career look like if the Saints never traded him

25:23

to the Seahawks total for Max

25:25

Hunger, if he stayed with with Drew Berries whole

25:27

career, what would his numbers look like? Again,

25:30

regardless, he's one of the best players in Saint's

25:32

history, right. So,

25:35

and he was a dirty work player for

25:37

the Miami basketball team. He was he was a sixth

25:39

man.

25:40

Wasn't if I recall he averaged like less than ten

25:42

points a game, if I'm not mistake, and he was not more

25:44

than a double zero, if I'm not mistaken, and he was

25:47

not twenty and ten.

25:49

No, he was the scrappy guy, dude, he was. He was

25:51

the blue collar guy. I think he finished

25:53

at the time off the top night. He was like top ten

25:55

in blocks in career history. That he

25:57

was a rebounder, and he's a defensive player. But

25:59

he was like a scrappy dude in the ACC,

26:02

like not even touching. He had no chance to play

26:05

in the nest in the NBA. Yeah,

26:07

what would Lebron have like in his

26:09

career ends up being borderline Hall of Fame?

26:11

Yeah, as a guy that was like a sixth man

26:14

in the ACC. What would Lebron

26:16

seriously like? He's he or Michael

26:18

Jordan whatever that debate is best best

26:20

basketball player ever?

26:22

He played? He played football

26:24

in high school and was at a high high school high

26:26

level.

26:27

He was probably a legit six seven, six

26:29

eight, probably two hundred and sixty to seventy pounds.

26:32

He could have been the best football player they ever

26:34

lived.

26:35

I don't get it right.

26:36

How can you how can your brain not go there.

26:38

I mean, if you're just if you're just using Jimmy Graham

26:40

as is the benchmark and what his career

26:42

in the NFL, and it would be in what could Lebron

26:45

have been?

26:45

So yeah, back to it.

26:46

NFL people shouldn't be they, I mean,

26:48

come on you those games are fun

26:51

to play.

26:51

Yeah. I don't know if DJ Burtns loves

26:54

football. I don't know if he's ever had a

26:56

chance to. I don't even know. You know,

26:58

we don't know Lebron loves

27:01

football. Lebron I

27:03

know just through Bath Carter and those guys

27:05

like they football is almost

27:08

you know, basketball is the job and the path. Like those

27:10

guys on Sundays, that is what they do. They

27:12

watch football. So you combine that, does

27:15

a like did George Fan love football

27:17

or was it like this is a job when you interviewed him

27:19

and you guys brought him in, you.

27:21

Know, I didn't sue it George then, But but for him

27:23

to.

27:23

Have the careers had I would assume he

27:26

he either loved.

27:27

It or really liked it.

27:28

Yeah. I guess my question is like if your DJ Burns

27:30

and your whole life has been basketball, basketball, basketball,

27:32

and it's like yeah, but there's a meal ticket potentially

27:35

for football. Do you need

27:37

to have like a dying an undying

27:39

love for the sport to like pursue it or

27:41

is it just, hey, this is this is the right decision financially.

27:43

I guess that's a decision he's got to make, right.

27:46

Peter, Peter, you know this.

27:47

I mean there's a lot of guys that play in against.

27:51

We doubtless guys on Good Morning Football

27:53

who like I try to talk about the league with like a commercial

27:55

breaking, like they don't even follow the NFL, Like they

27:57

don't even know who the good teams are. They don't even

28:00

And I'm almost humbled by

28:02

that. I'm like, that's how what an amazing athlete you

28:04

are that you can just do what you do as a job and then

28:06

turn it off. That's incredible, you know.

28:08

Yeah, like with those.

28:09

Guys, And that's always the first question with guys that played

28:11

both sports, right, and you hear

28:13

about it, like you go into the school as a scout in

28:15

the fall, and I'll tell you, like this kid was

28:17

more of a hooper in high school, Like we don't know how much

28:19

he.

28:19

Goes football, but you know he's really good at it. So he

28:22

does it.

28:22

But what it does, it probably prevents you from hitting

28:25

your ceiling as a player, right, Like if

28:27

you really loved it, then like you would

28:29

be better. But just on your natural

28:31

gifts a loan, you can play it, and you can a lot

28:33

of these guys play.

28:34

A long time.

28:34

But that's kind of I don't think fans realize

28:36

how guys just don't love it.

28:39

Yeah, my last question on this

28:41

multi sport thing, I'll

28:43

never forget. I want to say it was Tristan

28:46

Worths and there's a long line of them, and I know

28:48

aj Epineza was one of them. And of course

28:50

in recent here Linderbaum like wrestling.

28:54

Football guys love wrestlers. They

28:57

don't love basketball guys, but they love wrestlers.

28:59

Am I wrong?

29:00

You're absolutely right? No, especially you

29:03

know, on the on the offensive defensive line. So

29:05

for this year, Zach Frasier is a center at West Virginia.

29:08

I think he was a four time state champion in the state

29:10

of West Virginia, maybe lost one time as a

29:12

freshman. Ridiculous record.

29:14

So this is this is another a cool carryover.

29:17

Now you're catching me off guard a little bit during

29:20

my time with the Patriots, and I'm gonna be blanking

29:22

on this dude's name. He

29:24

was a He was an All American wrestler

29:27

at cal State Bakersfield. Our

29:30

college director, Larry Cook from

29:33

the New England Patriots, went

29:35

up and went to the workout, went to the pro day,

29:38

worked him out, We signed him as a free

29:40

agent, and we drafted him late.

29:41

I can't remember.

29:42

I'll tell you his name right now, and he's Stephen

29:45

Neil. He was a great Patriots Stephen

29:48

Neil.

29:48

I'm sorry, Stephen, I'm having

29:50

like an old guy moment right now.

29:53

He is CSO Bakersfield's most decorated

29:55

wrestler, and he now serves as the alumni relations

29:58

coordinator for csub's wrestling

30:00

program. A once in a lifetime story

30:03

of wrestler who did not play college

30:05

football and went into the NFL and had a storied

30:07

NFL career.

30:08

Yeah, they don't have they don't have football Cast State Bakersfield,

30:11

they don't play football there.

30:12

So again, he came in.

30:13

How do you find that? So how'd they find him?

30:16

Some agent probably just put it out that they were gonna

30:18

have a pro dat. I don't know, I don't

30:20

know how, but but I'm sure a lot of teams came.

30:23

Thank god, Larry you know, developed

30:25

a relationship and signed him. But I remember the

30:27

biggest thing for Steven was it wasn't

30:29

strength, it wasn't toughness. Obviously,

30:32

his was just that aggressive nature, right

30:34

because you're used to that is such an aggressive

30:36

sport. He had to rain himself in a little bit,

30:39

like, yeah, tone it down a little bit. On the football field,

30:42

he would be sober aggressive. He almost he

30:44

almost had questioned the athlete a little bit because he

30:46

was always out over his skis and he's

30:48

you know, on the ground and then you know. But

30:51

but our offensive line coach, Dante Scarnekia

30:53

was a Jim. That's not athleticism. I

30:55

just we just got to rain this guy in. And then,

30:58

like you said, he came in he was an all time Patriot.

31:00

I mean, this dude started so many games in a row.

31:03

And again, it's nice when you have a Dante's scarneki

31:05

one of the greatest coaches ever to

31:07

help develop you. But I mean, obviously different

31:10

sport. But there's another there's another instance

31:12

where the guy didn't play college football and becoming

31:15

a very good NFL player.

31:16

Yeah, I remember I used to do games with Matt Millan. I

31:18

was his sideline interporter, and Matt loved,

31:21

loved college

31:23

and high school Pennsylvania, penn

31:26

State wrestling, and he would tell

31:28

he would always give me a wrestler, like, give

31:30

me a wrestler, get me someone who's gonna get dirty. And I was

31:32

like, that's so interesting because those two

31:34

sports, like when you get those big boys, like

31:36

a lot of those skills do translate. Uh,

31:38

you mentioned the Patriots. I'm gonna get you off script a

31:41

little bit here. You worked there for many years.

31:43

Did you get a chance to watch the documentary The

31:45

Dynasty?

31:47

I did, I did, I saw. I think I've seen the

31:49

first four episodes so far, which was.

31:51

Your era, right, that's when you were with them through that

31:53

as farst.

31:53

Yeah, those first four episodes was about the

31:55

time I was there.

31:56

I actually caught myself in the in the

31:58

background of a couple of practice shots, and I

32:00

felt really old.

32:01

Because I looked a lot younger back then, but look

32:03

good. It was really cool.

32:05

Okay, cool because obviously you've

32:07

seen a lot of the I would say

32:10

almost it's interesting the Patriots

32:12

Dynasty, I almost break up into different chapters,

32:14

almost four chapters of like you

32:17

know, the early first four Super Bowls

32:19

that they went to, you know, including the

32:21

Giants one, and then this, you

32:23

know, changing guard a little bit, and then you've

32:25

got these last ten years. You can split in half of you

32:27

know, the Brady, you know, final couple super

32:30

Bowls and then post Brady. A

32:33

lot of a lot of controversy around it, and even Robert

32:36

Kraft at the league meetings had to like speak up on it, and it

32:38

was like, well, I'm not necessarily the

32:40

rill, which I I'm not going to knock Robert

32:42

Kraft from what he thought of it, but I believe he had

32:44

production, you know, saying some of this

32:46

stuff, and you know, he was kind

32:48

of being critical of it. Have you talked

32:50

to us like is this a is there a text stain of

32:52

all the old Patriots staffers or like you and Nick Cassario

32:55

and Eric Mangini and whoever else, like texting

32:57

about how the thing was portrayed? Yeah,

32:59

a little bit.

33:00

Yeah, I've had I've had those texts

33:02

with some guys. Again,

33:04

I wasn't in it.

33:05

I'm sure the guys have in or a little more hyper

33:07

sensitive to it. And you know what I do with the

33:10

Patriots dynasty, there Peter, I

33:12

break it down to.

33:12

The slot receivers.

33:14

To me, it was the Troy Brown era, and

33:16

then it was the Wes Welker era, and then it was

33:18

the Julian Element era.

33:19

To me, those are those three guys kind of span

33:21

the lifetime. But I don't know. For me, it

33:23

was like a look back. You know.

33:25

I saw Damien Wood he put something out there on social

33:27

media that he was watching you with his kids. You

33:29

know, they obviously weren't around when Damien was a player,

33:32

sort of like see footage of him, were running out the tunnel

33:34

at Gillette and all those things. Like for

33:37

me, it was like a retrospective. Man, I was

33:39

in like my mid twenties back then. I'm almost fifty

33:41

now, so.

33:41

Think about it.

33:42

I watched the show through through that lens,

33:44

and it just brought back a lot of great memories and

33:48

I thought they did a great job at Shoot, man, I'm not

33:50

I was no part of that content, so I shoot,

33:52

there's a lot.

33:53

I know, there's a lot of people that I issued.

33:54

With it though, So like the chief concerns are that,

33:57

like you know, Cory Dillon comes about

33:59

as a you know, not a troubled player. But

34:01

I got that just hadn't been able to win, and it was

34:03

on the field, off field, whatever for his Bengals. Like that

34:05

was a big Bill Belichick to bring in Corey Dillan,

34:08

like Garrett Blunt, was a lot

34:10

of the stories of guys that

34:12

Belichick took a gamble on, and Randy

34:14

moss Is obviously was less of a gamble

34:16

given the player that he was. That stuff

34:19

was lost and some of Belichick's gumption

34:21

to say, you know, let's throw convention

34:24

to the win and let's let's try to win football. There's

34:27

the feeling that Belichick wasn't portrayed as

34:30

well as he should have been as being one of the greatest coaches

34:32

of all time, if not the greatest.

34:34

Yeah, I mean, yeah, the greatest. I

34:36

could see that.

34:37

I mean, there's so there's so many great things that

34:39

that vill and Scott did putting those teams together,

34:42

kind of going out of limb. I mean, even like Rodney Harrison.

34:44

I remember when when they when they brought in Rodney

34:47

Harrison. You know, I think Marty

34:49

Schottenhammer was on record saying and that or maybe

34:51

told Rodney this, and it got back to me through

34:53

through someone in the front office. That like they told

34:55

Rodney, MANU you lost a staff, like we can't,

34:57

we don't. We don't think you got it anymore. So then

35:00

you bring in a dude with a chip on his shoulder and

35:02

you all Rodney did.

35:03

I remember?

35:03

I remember this vividly. In six

35:06

in a six playoff game run, he forced

35:08

seven turnovers. He created whether

35:10

like force fumbles, interceptions, fullmer recovers. He

35:12

was a part of seven turnovers and six playoff games,

35:14

which to me is like the coolest ever.

35:17

You know, you're bringing guys that play big and big games.

35:19

But yeah, I mean, I shoot, and

35:22

I haven't finished it, and I look forward to finishing yet

35:24

I.

35:24

Have any there. I've gotten six episodes in.

35:26

I just finished the Aaron Hernandez episode, and I

35:28

think that's what a lot of the Patriots are, Like, yeah,

35:31

that was a story in

35:33

CNN, and it was a bigger story in

35:35

our building. But like, if you're gonna encapsulate

35:38

ten years of the Patriots, is

35:41

twenty years of the Patriots in ten episodes,

35:43

Like I don't know, and a lot of them I know that.

35:45

Like Rodney was upset because he did five

35:48

hours of interviews and they got one

35:50

clip in with him. I know Devin mccordy

35:52

through Jason wasn't thrilled. They spent all day with

35:54

him, multiple days, and you know that's

35:57

that's really behind the scenes stuff, like

35:59

for us the viewers, like it's candy to

36:01

just watch old football in the greatness of the Patriots,

36:04

be honest, yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:07

All right, before we wrap, we're

36:10

now April second, where

36:14

our teams with their draft

36:16

boards, like has Washington

36:19

likely decided, Okay, here's how we rank our

36:21

quarterbacks or is that thing still

36:24

fluid as they gather information.

36:26

I think it's still fluid.

36:28

I was in Baton Rouge last week, and uh,

36:32

it was.

36:32

It was.

36:32

It was pretty cool because at the hotel we stayed

36:34

at in Baton Rouge, Dan Quinn

36:37

and Adam Peters were there, and then Girod

36:39

Mayo and Elliott Wolf were there and we're all done in the lobby

36:42

getting ready to go to JAYD and Daniels prote the next

36:44

day. You know, we're having having drinks down there

36:46

and he's gonna be on one of their

36:48

two football teams probably when

36:51

we get to the fall, So you know they're

36:53

just coming off that right they most most of

36:55

the teams let their their families go home

36:57

and have Easter with with the family, and now they're bringing them all

37:00

back in.

37:00

So now what you're doing.

37:02

They most of these teams haven't met since post

37:04

Senior Bowl and they

37:07

have not met since the combine because you hit

37:09

the ground running from the combine to pro dase, right,

37:11

Ye, So like their last their last

37:13

meeting was Okay, let's let's debrief

37:15

after Senior Bowl. How did all these guys look. Now

37:18

let's go to the combine. Now they got to get back together.

37:20

Okay, what did combine look like? What did pro das

37:22

look like? What's the new information?

37:24

You know?

37:25

Again, I think the lost part of Pro Day season

37:27

is yeah, you're you're there to get the numbers and see how the guys

37:29

work out. But it's another opportunity

37:31

for these scouts to go back into the buildings and

37:34

not just meet with the player, but meet you know, resource

37:37

the building. Like we've now we've met with the

37:39

guy, we met with him at Mobile, we met with him

37:41

at the at the Pro Day. Here's the questions

37:43

we have left. Now you go back to the offensive

37:46

coordinator or you know, the

37:49

custodians or whatever, you know, the equipment

37:51

guy, whatever questions you have left, you can work. You

37:53

can work the building again. So now they're all getting

37:55

back in the building. Now you're talking through all that stuff.

37:57

Over probably the next two weeks and then those

38:00

finals two weeks it's just phone calls, you

38:02

know, working strategy, working trades

38:05

and trying to really get the strategy part

38:07

of the draft down is.

38:08

Probably those final two weeks, but right.

38:10

Now they are they're just debriefing after

38:12

you know, combining pro days.

38:14

Okay, so long, long windedly answer

38:16

you, Peter.

38:16

I think I think I don't think the Commanders and the Patriots

38:19

or or any of those teams really know you know,

38:21

who their guys yet.

38:22

Okay, here's an exercise we're gonna do because

38:25

I think, honestly, Daniel Jeremiah

38:27

I think is the best on TV. I think if we threw you

38:29

on there, you'd be right up there with Daniel.

38:31

And I think you've got as great an insight as anyone

38:33

having been you know, the executive

38:36

director of the Senior Bowl for all these years. But also you're

38:38

just great in talking about these players

38:40

in terms we can understand. I'm

38:42

gonna do a little get in with you and you can play

38:44

along or just say, Peter, I don't want to do this. I'm

38:47

gonna name the quarterback and I'm gonna say

38:50

my concern with them, and then you're

38:52

gonna tell me whether it's a valid concern,

38:54

or say what you've heard about these

38:56

guys with that concern. We good?

38:58

Yeah, great.

38:59

Jaden Daniels, his

39:02

size and his build is

39:04

too big of a concern to take at number

39:06

two in the draft. In that if

39:09

Bryce Young showed us anything,

39:11

and I know Bryce on it shorter, but build

39:14

wise, Daniels might not be bigger than two hundred

39:16

pounds. That build

39:18

is not one that will last in the NFL.

39:20

Your thoughts on that comment.

39:22

Okay, I think if this is this

39:24

is whole poking season, right, Yes it is.

39:28

So if that's the hole, it's a really small

39:30

hole to poke. You

39:32

know, Jayden, I think a lot was made of what he

39:34

was at Arizona State. He's this slight build

39:36

guy. He's gotten bigger and bigger.

39:38

I think. Okay, I love that.

39:40

At Baton Rouge last week, I'm sitting

39:42

in the auditorium in the team room when

39:44

Brian Kelly addressed all the NFL guys,

39:47

and I'm sitting next to the LSU strength coach

39:50

and they weigh all the players in front of the assembly,

39:52

and Jayden was too ten okay. And I

39:55

looked over at the strength coach. I'm like, is that what

39:57

he played out in the ball? Is that the heaviest he's

39:59

been. He's like, no, he was too twelve

40:01

two thirteen.

40:02

Okay.

40:03

Tom Brady ended his career when

40:05

he was when he's going throw the TV twelve stuff.

40:08

I read places where he was like two hundred and fifteen

40:10

pounds, okay, you know, and nobody questioned

40:12

that.

40:13

So if Jayde's in that two ten to

40:15

two fifteen, he didn't get hurt in the

40:17

SEC.

40:17

He took a lot of big shots. It is two.

40:20

And if you look at us, you look at the games played

40:22

and games missed, students did miss

40:24

a lot of time in the most fiscal league in college football.

40:27

So I think that's a small hole to pope.

40:29

Interesting, he didn't measure at the combine to you, is

40:31

that a red flag?

40:33

Yeah? I mean I don't. I don't

40:35

know what.

40:35

I don't know what these guys are doing now and what the agents are

40:37

telling her. You like, why not remeasure or why

40:40

not? It's just again, it's

40:42

probably stupid. It's probably dumb. I get

40:44

where the agents and the players are, Like, listen, I

40:46

measured at the Senior Bowl. I measured at the combine,

40:48

Like, why do I have to do it again? But I

40:51

mean, that's not going to get him drafted or

40:53

undrafted or I don't think you said it's not going to move

40:55

the needle with teams.

40:56

Okay, Drake May inaccurate

41:01

for the first year. What are your talk

41:03

what are your takes on that.

41:06

The the inaccuracy part. Okay.

41:09

I would say a lot of times

41:11

accuracy stems from your feet.

41:14

Okay.

41:15

And Drake was working out down here in Mobile

41:17

in the pre draft process with a guy

41:19

by the name of David Morris. It was bon Nicks

41:22

and Drake May and Carter Bradley, who has a

41:25

chance of getting drafted like Dus Bratt.

41:26

So yeah, so

41:29

watching them work out, we go back in.

41:31

I watched field workout, we go back in, we watch

41:34

video, and they took a video so

41:36

it's kind of close up and I'm watching

41:38

Drake throw and I'm like a total

41:40

idiot. I don't even think about the May family

41:42

and what they are. I look at Drake, I'm

41:44

like did you play hoops grown up? And

41:46

he was like, yeah, I did. And I'm like, well, did you play

41:49

through high school or did you stop in middle school? I was like no,

41:51

I played all the way through. And then someone was

41:53

like, well, Jim, like this whole family played hoops in North

41:55

Carolina.

41:55

I'm like, I totally forgot got it.

41:57

Yeah the winning shot that

41:59

time?

41:59

Yeah, yeah, this dude, This dude for a guy

42:01

his size, he has incredible feet.

42:04

So is there things he can do?

42:06

Mcaly, you know, in terms of like shortening

42:08

the release to tighten that up.

42:09

Absolutely?

42:10

And again obviously everyone points to Josh Allen

42:13

is a guy that you can correct some inaccuracy

42:15

stuff with. I just think when they're

42:17

athletic enough, like Josh Allen, we

42:19

all know what kind of athlete he is.

42:21

Drake May is a similar type athlete.

42:24

I mean his feet are really bouncy for a big guy,

42:26

so it would not be a concern of mine.

42:28

All right. Last one, JJ McCarthy

42:32

eighteen teammates at the Combine

42:35

and Sharon Moore called

42:38

thirty two straight run plays in a game and

42:40

he didn't throw the ball once. Is

42:42

that a red flag to you?

42:44

No, that's that's Sharon Moore in

42:46

a really hostile visiting environment

42:49

at Penn State, want to just assert

42:51

his will.

42:51

On the other team.

42:52

So that's what I would say, you know, and yeah, did

42:55

JJ have a lot of great players around him?

42:57

He certainly did, But he didn't have

42:59

I mean, look at look at who.

43:02

Neighbors and Thomas right, no

43:06

question.

43:06

I mean you just go back over some of these quarterbacks

43:08

to who they're thrown to.

43:09

Brow had Chas and Jefferson right.

43:12

Right, and Mac Jones had, you know, Devonte

43:14

Smith and Waddle and all those

43:17

guys.

43:17

JUDI house guys, so and JJ

43:19

didn't have that j J.

43:21

JJ didn't have like Roman Wilson's a really good

43:23

player, and they've got some they got some young guys, but

43:25

he didn't have that outside.

43:27

So again that's

43:29

the easy knock.

43:30

All I know is that JJ has

43:32

only lost three football games in his life.

43:34

That includes high school, high

43:36

school and college. The kid has lost three games

43:39

as a starter. It's a big enough

43:41

sample size. He's been a two year starter. He's

43:43

got crazy tools. So I'll share one quick

43:45

story from all right. I'm at baton

43:47

Rouge last week. I'm standing next to a GM.

43:50

I wasn't at Caleb Williams prode I wasn't

43:52

at JJ McCarthy's prodee, but this GM

43:55

was right.

43:56

So j J.

43:57

Jayden finishes up his workout. I thought

43:59

it was impressive. The dude can

44:02

freaking fire it off his hand him. It's it's

44:04

really impressive. I'm like, well, where is this stack up

44:06

in the three you've seen? And his rank

44:09

was JJ McCarthy, then Jayden Daniels,

44:11

then Cale Williams just off the pro Day

44:13

Okay, okay, what what do pro day

44:15

show?

44:16

Pro dace show physical tools?

44:18

They show they show the physical potential of a guy

44:20

and what he can do, you know, mobility,

44:22

arm, strength, all those things.

44:23

Right, that's what PRODA is about. Physically,

44:26

what is this guy tools?

44:28

JJ obviously has them if a

44:30

GM is seeing those three workouts and

44:32

he puts them up there as the top guy. So

44:36

I mean, that's why everyone's asked me in some

44:38

of the podcasts like is this j J McCarthy

44:40

stuff real?

44:40

I think it is.

44:41

You know, I think that I think that the media is playing

44:44

catch up a little bit, and I think the league's

44:46

playing I think the league's diving more into

44:48

JJ. They didn't know if it was going to come out or not. So

44:51

yeah, it's it's uh so,

44:54

I don't know.

44:54

I don't know.

44:55

I don't know if I dispelled her because you're

44:58

arrest But.

44:59

What do you what do you make of Hardball rally

45:01

in the flag around him so much? You're a Michigan

45:03

man, Like what is that when he comes

45:05

out and is like he's the number one quarterback in this draft

45:07

and says all these things like does that to me? It's

45:10

like I roll my eyes a little bit. Of course you're

45:12

his college coach, But what do

45:14

you make of that Harball putting his name on

45:16

it like this is the guy?

45:18

Well, I'll say this, and so much

45:20

respect for for Jim Harbon what he's

45:22

done this whole career. And he brought a you

45:25

know, brought a national championship to my alma

45:27

mater, which was awesome.

45:29

But he's in a great situation right now. He's got

45:31

Justin Herbert and.

45:32

No one, no one's wondering if he's drafted him at

45:34

five.

45:34

Yeah, so he doesn't have to put his money where his mouth

45:36

is right like he can say and I'm sure Jim believes

45:38

all this stuff. In me, shoot, you win a national

45:41

championship with people you talk to players and coaches.

45:43

You would you win a national championship or a Super

45:45

Bowl with a group of men like that's

45:47

pretty special and you're gonna a special feelings

45:49

about those guys. So I'm sure Jim believes

45:51

every word he's saying. But again,

45:54

he doesn't have to draft him up because he's got Justine.

45:56

Okay, I want to talk about the Masters

45:59

with you because you're a golf guy

46:01

and you might be attending. But maybe we'll

46:03

do that next week or a week after that and we'll

46:05

get the full rate cap in the In

46:08

the meantime, keep on doing

46:10

what you're doing and I'll be following you on Twitter

46:12

or x but also i'll be talking with you. Thank

46:15

you so much for joining. This is really illuminating

46:17

stuff, especially on DJ Burns. And we're

46:20

less than a month away, dude, And then I know you're already

46:22

into Senior Bowl twenty twenty five. I know it.

46:25

We are, Yeah, we started that. But yeah, this was awesome,

46:27

Peter, thanks for having me back home.

46:29

You're the man. Jim Naggy, executive director

46:31

of Reese's Senior Bowl, and I

46:33

saw it firsthand. The unofficial mayor

46:36

of Mobile, Alabama. Thank you did.

46:38

Thanks man.

46:46

All Right, so I'm validated DJ Burns

46:48

could get an NFL shot

46:51

here, Aaron, based on what Jim's saying.

46:53

Yeah, I mean, so

46:56

I had seen your tweet. I then

46:58

saw your tweet hosted multiple

47:00

times, like in the NFL subreddit, in the Bills

47:03

subreddit, like Bill's fans

47:05

were like, I wonder if this guy I could work,

47:07

you know, for us, So not

47:09

only I think was there a lot of external validation,

47:12

then having Jim come in here and

47:14

talk about it and talk about his buddy

47:16

who also had been keeping an eye on him.

47:18

Yeah, that's that's pretty exciting.

47:21

Yeah, his work is amazing. It

47:23

is. And like the sophistication of these

47:25

NFL front offices, we go big on how they use analytics

47:28

and all this stuff, but there are holes. And

47:30

Jim says it like they're not watching college

47:32

hoops. So yes, it's possible. This

47:34

guy played in the ACC and played at Winthrop

47:36

and was the Big South Conference Player of the Year last

47:39

year two years ago and still

47:41

was not discovered by an NFL scout. And Jim has

47:43

a friend who's in the research triangle

47:46

who says, yes, I've been keeping an eye on him, but like,

47:48

yeah, like the tournament run. I remember George

47:50

Mason, I remember Jihan Lewis. It was a big man who

47:53

had some you know, a great couple of games.

47:56

They beat Yukon and Rudy Gay and there was two

47:58

thousand and six and George Mason makes us run and he

48:00

was their big man, and he got a try out with the Giants. I think he

48:02

even signed a deal with the Giants. And

48:04

he had no football history

48:07

as a football player in college. So I

48:10

think it's fascinating. I also thought the reaction

48:12

was fascinating, which I kind of hit on with Jim there, Like

48:15

people were really triggered by it, and a lot of people thought

48:17

it was an April Fools joke. I don't get that. Why would that be an

48:19

April Fools joke. The guy is six foot seven

48:22

and three hundred pounds, Like that's a football player's

48:24

body.

48:25

I think you kind of can't post anything

48:28

on April first, Like if

48:30

you say anything, people are gonna think

48:32

maybe it's fake totally,

48:35

but yeah, you know it

48:38

is, like for whatever reason, it's always a news story

48:40

if some team is like we're signing

48:42

a former rugby player, because

48:44

he's never played American football,

48:46

but we think he's got the athletic ability to

48:49

do this, and it's a big news story when it doesn't necessarily

48:51

need to be. And this is just like in

48:54

the lead up to the draft, where we've spent so much

48:56

time arguing about Marvin

48:58

Harrison or Eleak Neighbors, and all

49:00

of a sudden, here's this guy coming out of nowhere who plays

49:02

basketball, and it's like, wait, you're screwing up what

49:05

I had in my head of like who are the important

49:07

potential offensive linemen in this draft? And

49:09

now there's this new guy. So I can see

49:12

how people

49:15

could find a way to be upset about something

49:17

that's not worth being upset about.

49:19

Got it?

49:19

Uh?

49:20

In closing, I

49:22

think I'm gonna go see Tim Robinson tonight at

49:24

Deacon Theater. Are you a fan?

49:27

Yeah? I didn't even know he was doing

49:30

a thing.

49:31

The biggest show. He can

49:33

have no idea what it entails.

49:35

Uh.

49:36

I was asked if I wanted to go, and I think I want

49:38

to go. It's pouring rain, but I will have a full

49:40

recap on our next podcast. As

49:43

Aaron is now looking through a stack

49:45

of T shirts and it appears. He probably

49:47

has a Tim Robinson

49:50

T shirt and it is Yep, there we go. There

49:52

it is, there it is. It's a it's a reference

49:54

to the netflixtion. There

49:57

we go. I love it. I'll give you a full recap

49:59

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50:02

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50:04

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50:06

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