0:06

Some people think that a long

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conversation changes only the quantity of

0:10

conversation. This is not true. A

0:12

long conversation also changes the quality

0:14

by changing the nature of the

0:16

conversation. A five-hour conversation is not

0:18

like five-hour chats. It's a whole

0:20

different beast which goes to spaces

0:22

fragmented conversations cannot. This is because

0:24

when you do a long conversation,

0:26

you're forced to listen, actually listen.

0:28

And as Stephen Covey would say, you

0:31

listen to understand, not to respond. Your

0:33

ego leaves a building as you immerse

0:35

yourself into the thoughts and memories of the

0:37

other person. And they get to

0:39

immerse themselves in it as well. There is

0:41

no hurry. No one is interrupting them and

0:43

they can sink into their own minds and

0:45

go deeper and deeper. The prepared sound bites

0:47

on the subjects they are experts in are

0:49

irrelevant now. They can be vulnerable. They can

0:51

be open. They can be themselves. That's

0:54

why I love long-form conversations and so do

0:56

so many of you because that's why you're

0:58

listening to The Scene and the Unseen, right?

1:00

Which is why I was particularly looking forward

1:02

to this episode. My guest today is also

1:04

a connoisseur of the long, unharted conversation. But

1:06

today he gets to be on the other side

1:09

and he will do most of the talking. Welcome

1:16

to The Scene and the Unseen,

1:18

our weekly podcast on economics, politics

1:20

and behavioral science. Please welcome your

1:22

host, Amit Barmai. Welcome

1:29

to The Scene and the Unseen. My

1:31

guest today is Sai Mohammed Irfan who

1:33

has had an illustrious career in radio

1:35

and television and is best known for

1:37

his interview show Guftugu. I've always loved

1:39

Irfan Saab's interviewing style. So genteel, so

1:41

respectful, so thoughtful in terms of the

1:43

directions he takes his guests in. He's

1:46

had many, many, many guests from the world of art and

1:49

culture and cinema. And I think of

1:51

him almost as a preserver of a bygone age.

1:53

You will see traces of this in his

1:55

own memories during the conversation. I must warn

1:57

you that most Of our chat is in Urdu.

2:00

Sony whatever you choose to college because

2:02

he wanted him to be comfortable include

2:04

the way he thinks this just as

2:06

naturals. Apologies for those of my listeners

2:08

who prefer English, but I'm sure you

2:10

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In front of welcome to the Scene

3:16

Indians, Hank Yarmouth I'm really honored to

3:18

have you on because somebody asked me

3:20

who are you recording the two days

3:22

earlier in the morning and I said

3:24

I'm recording with a gentleman who has

3:26

been doing for decades would I have

3:29

been trying to learn to do in

3:31

a few years? Which is you know

3:33

these beautiful deep, long phone conversations and

3:35

to the able to talk to you

3:37

about really everything's your life, your work,

3:39

whatever you've learned When I want to

3:41

begin with a slightly unusual question cause

3:43

my fellow man a girl. book talk with

3:45

her and at the book dog after it was

3:47

over of people who had heard my show came

3:49

to be in the what kind of talking to

3:51

me to a lady are you a pm guess

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been cosatu know nick i've heard every episode of

3:55

he was it bother with a year midgets have

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you ever shouted at someone in your nice or

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Moojie wo sunke at first though I found it very

4:02

amusing. Baadme sunke me soshne laga or

4:04

Moojie laga ki yaar. There

4:07

is something here which is sort

4:09

of nagging at me because

4:11

the image that people have of me from the

4:13

show, you know, is there's more to me

4:15

than that. That is of course me, that is a part

4:17

of me. But there is more to me. Like

4:19

of course I have shouted at people, of course I have many

4:21

vices, of course I am not rational all

4:23

the time. And there

4:25

is another self you could say which is unseen. Whereas,

4:28

you know, what you hear is sort of

4:30

the seen self. And I was

4:32

thinking about you. Or me soshra da

4:34

ki me nahi irfansaap ka itne saal

4:36

jubhi dekha hai hai gufta go mei

4:38

both on Rekta recently Rajya Sabha TV

4:41

before that and whatever one I saw

4:43

of him before that. You come across

4:45

as a very gentle, soft-spoken, cultured person,

4:47

always in control, always sorted.

4:50

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4:52

unseen or found. Tell me a little bit about something

4:54

that people may not know of you. Like when you

4:56

were young, were you hot-blooded, did you have passions. Show

4:59

me a side of you that one cannot see

5:01

in the public domain. Dike ke

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apa kho bakte. To

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kad nahi ban ai rete. Or

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ho jou mya se bane vai in san ho

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kaun ga ke jitna mani

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7:00

how you were born in this industrial town,

7:02

a Mirzapur district mage, or the split

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hoagiai. And what I

7:06

found fascinating whenever you have described that

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childhood in that township is,

7:11

how completely opposite it is from a life

7:13

that one would live today. Like

7:15

if you, like a young people today may

7:17

not be so close to nature as you

7:19

were, may not be so comfortable with nature,

7:21

they will you know be interacting with other

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humans less and perhaps lost more in their

7:26

phones looking into their screens. And

7:30

now of course that there are many good things

7:33

about the present day. But

7:47

I also feel that along with

7:49

all the things we have gained that

7:51

something is lost, that there is perhaps

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less of a chance of a person

7:56

developing a certain era of the above

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aramsis in the Gijiri. and

8:00

also just in playing outdoors,

8:02

just a form of play is so different.

8:05

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8:07

a little bit about your growing up

8:10

days in terms of what were the

8:12

textures of your days like Gharpe Kya

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Mahal Tha, Aapke, Mami Dadi Kase Taim,

8:17

Bhaaj Babja Tait Kale Nae Kale Nae,

8:19

which you have described beautifully as sort

8:21

of a valley with hills all around

8:24

and nature all around. So

8:26

take me to, paint me a picture of what your

8:28

days were like in that time. So,

8:56

I want you to tell me a little

8:58

bit about your growing up days in terms

9:00

of your growing up

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days in terms of your growing up days in

9:09

terms of your growing

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in terms of your growing, growing your

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growing up days in

9:42

terms of your growing life i

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can finally say that, untones the goodness of I and

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they said was that wasn't

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suppose to fear but

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I, I felt what he

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did I sat with

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him for couple of hours just try to

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record his memories so I find it very beautiful and

35:31

I tell young people everywhere that you should

35:34

do this, you should capture the past otherwise

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it all kind of rifts away I found this

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metaphor at a very

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simple level the mountain which seemed

35:43

so forbidding to you and

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so stark it

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was all very natural it was all natural it

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is not really so difficult there

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is a metaphor in there about life and striving and all

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of that and also there is the

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whole place is like in

36:02

a sense a metaphor for how

36:05

one's world expands. Kishurumaya bahape hai abki

36:07

dunya puri vai hai, that is your

36:09

universe and then it expands and then

36:12

it expands and then it expands and

36:14

then 40 years later you're

36:16

looking at a map on the internet and

36:18

saying ki aare ye kaha hai. And

36:20

I'll ask you a question ki joumen hai

36:23

kafisare geh skupu chah hai hai, I always

36:25

get very interesting and different answers. And

36:28

the first time I thought of it was when a

36:30

Amitavakumar kesadhe ke pisot ki aata bhag paade.

36:33

And he had quoted from

36:35

Rahimazoom razaaz anha gavu, where these people

36:37

go to this village to request

36:40

a person to come to Pakistan and

36:43

that person in his name is Sanu. He replies, I

36:45

am a Muslim but I love this village because

36:48

I myself am this village. I love the indigo

36:50

warehouse, the stank and these mud lanes because they

36:52

are very different forms of myself. On

36:54

the battlefield when death came near, I

36:56

certainly remembered Allah but instead of meka

36:58

harkar bala, I remembered Gangali. And

37:01

mani kafisare geh skupu chah hai, what is

37:03

your Gangali? Or mein aap kumi

37:05

vai pushna chattamu jay, lakta hai ki gumra is

37:08

obviously, it is your Gangali. Gurma. Gurma,

37:11

sorry. At one level, lage ga

37:13

ki haa, gurma is, gumra

37:16

mani kyuk hai, the affidean slip. That

37:18

the love with which you described it, it seems that

37:20

it is at the core of you. But

37:22

equally, your home also lies in culture

37:24

and music and all the things you've

37:26

done. How would you answer this like

37:28

very broad question? Till I ask you

37:30

more narrow questions. games

38:05

for 9 years after his arrest in Pasbots – We

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had several work activities

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40:23

niki dilchas pe ke vajas se. Yo

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40:30

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40:37

rakki meri peta kohi usmai inchahls bana hai

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gya. Oka tami kya karidhi jangi yon ke

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pne fasnde se wo tata. Aka

40:43

bibi meri nahi de kakki hai wo koi

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41:01

tabe me nahi kudhi de kah.

41:04

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41:09

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41:11

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41:15

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41:29

bhadme japte prekordar

41:31

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41:36

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41:38

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41:47

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41:52

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aruha akh barbi kya se atata. Mein

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has been to the new os summit

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of the headquarters. It

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is Robert's role Alright I

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will be writing

45:00

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45:02

that I will post the postcard of the

45:04

dictator to Part 12, that as

45:06

I said, 6 month long and

45:10

this is no simple card review but

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even in Part 12 they had. Even

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during Inter Language who decided, they didn't wanted

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48:48

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mangorr international and the three young boys.

48:55

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48:57

will be talking about how he had that

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mangorr international and

49:03

the three young boys. Beautiful.

49:05

So, what is

49:08

your most imaginative life? Like,

49:11

what is your daydream? What

49:13

is your time pass? Because

49:16

obviously, you don't have time pass, you can't

49:18

have your phone or phone. So,

49:21

you are consuming the book, radio, you would

49:23

tune into different stations and take all

49:35

of that in. So, who is the young Irfan? What

49:41

are you dreaming about? How

49:44

are you seeing yourself in the

49:46

world? Because you know how we see ourselves as

49:48

also a function of how the world appears to

49:50

us and that's what I'm

49:52

trying to understand. I'm.

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choices. I have a lot of

56:03

choice and I want to be able to make a decision.

56:10

I would describe the phrase that many

56:13

Indian Indian people use. It

56:15

was like a mini India, a Harjagasya logo,

56:17

and a microcosm. And

56:21

it seems to me to be

56:23

beautifully cosmopolitan but also a little

56:26

rare. Because now when I look

56:28

back, I wonder how much of India really was

56:30

like that. Maybe share Ometh or

56:32

Abhavad Dikta where you are meeting people of

56:34

all kinds, you are celebrating all the festivals,

56:36

you are exposed to different languages and different

56:38

practices and all that. Was

56:41

there a sense after you left it, after you

56:43

came out in the world, whether it is in

56:45

Allahabad University, whether it is in Patna later, whether

56:48

it is in your journey through life all the

56:50

way to here, that you

56:52

felt that was

56:54

perhaps an ideal environment. Like

56:56

in Harjagasya, Harjagasya was that

56:59

in India of our imagination where we are all

57:01

together and it is syncretic and all that. It

57:05

doesn't really exist in reality except in a

57:07

few small pockets. So, Abhavad

57:09

Dikta, what was your sense of

57:12

now when you look back, it

57:14

seems almost very ideal. But

57:18

even across class, etc.

57:20

that mingling is happening, there is the

57:22

open jail, you are chatting with the

57:24

bandis, all of that. It sounds beautiful.

57:26

But the real world is not like

57:28

that. The real world is quite harsh.

57:30

Especially today, it kind of appears to

57:33

be that way. So, what was your

57:35

sense as you travelled through KI? If

57:39

you are the product of an

57:41

environment, then is what you became

57:43

partly because of that sort of good fortune

57:45

that you had. You were a very sonic

57:47

environment. There was a way of living that

57:49

cultivated the patience within you and that helps

57:51

you so much in your life. work

58:00

today. So do you feel that those

58:02

circumstances really matter? Do you feel that

58:04

those circumstances are not so common? The

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me a little bit about your father.

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What did he do? What did he

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do? He loved books, he loved to

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read, he loved to immerse in culture.

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I am also very interested by the

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3-year conversation that you had with him. Because

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I think that he explicitly said

1:02:49

that he had a quality of

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insights, a quality of memories and

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insights. How did he look back

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on his life? What are the regrets that he had?

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1:03:03

country? By that time, he

1:03:05

had changed his life. And

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in general, just tell me about how much

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of an effect did he have on shaping the person

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that you are today? Says

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campaigner or organizer? And how

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does artistic and cultural and

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cultural work work? How

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do you account for that? And

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how do you make that character?

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character? But I want to ask you,

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what is your role as a creator? Were

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you also a creator? Were you also a writer?

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in this? Because

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in latter days, many of the people who

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are listening to this, they will be familiar

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with you as an interlocutor, that you

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are speaking to people who achieve things and

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you are getting them to talk about it, etc. But

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I'm also interested in you as an artist

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yourself. When you got

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drawn into the artistic world, it is natural. You are

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not a young person, you are not a young person,

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you are not an actor, you are not an actor.

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that attractive to you? I think

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that the way I was taught

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in school, in

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a school like magazine, I

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was able to make 11th, 12th and 12th of the

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year. I

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was able to make a lot

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of work in the literature, and

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I was able to make a lot of work in the literature. So

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I was able to make a lot of

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work in the classical Hindi.

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an accessible exercise. It

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is a fine art, it is

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an abstract image, it is a

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creative image. I

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have a lot of time in the exhibition,

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but I have to say that I have

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to photograph him. Before

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writing his first book, he was practicing

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as a photographer. He

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was carrying a camera and clicking

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all those photos in American

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life, which was seen

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on the streets and the other side of

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America. The other

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side of America, the other

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side, was a exhibition. And

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make a photo of him. I

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have to say that I have to make a exhibition.

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photojournalist, who is a photographer, who is also a photographer.

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creator, organizer, curator,

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black Mage people it

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created. Many

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people become rebels without a cause, they are still

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searching for purpose and many

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people then eventually just get into the normal

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grove of things laid out for them. What

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the vast majority of people

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get into this groove and

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they go along that groove

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and never question that groove

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and that happens to even many of the people

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who have that creative energy when they are young

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like you pointed out, one of your friends is

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an income tax officer for example which is fine,

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people get on with their lives and they improve

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their lives and I think

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that creative energy is a problem for

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me because outlets are not there, in

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the sense that you could become

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an entrepreneur because there are problems to solve

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in the world and entrepreneurship is one way,

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you could become a YouTube creator you know,

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you could somebody who might be doing a

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street play 30 years earlier YouTube creator is

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there, Instagram is there, Reels is there, newsletter

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is there, blog is there, etc so

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in your case and what happens always is that

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you can't have direct energy in your life so

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you know, how was that

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process for you, college, you

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know, you are seeing all these posters and

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it is just something that takes you out

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of the rut of that everyday life everybody

2:01:07

else is living the quiet desperation and

2:01:09

then it's full of art, it's full of culture,

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it's full of purpose then

2:01:14

gradually that becomes directed and

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the way you described it

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if you are organizing, visual

2:01:21

arts, visual art, visual

2:01:23

attention, you are doing all these

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incredible things in between analog and

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digital you know, in digital, you

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have to be able to do something easy

2:01:32

like what is there and setting a page

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for example but I totally understand the

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kind of energy it would have taken, the initiative, the

2:01:38

enterprise it would have taken to do things like that

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tell me about when you became focused, what

2:01:45

direction did you go? like eventually you

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were on the radio, you were on the bus,

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you were on the bus tell me about those

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years, from the mid 90s onwards to till

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the start of Guftagu, maybe The

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we have already addressed some stuff like

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posted images or a map drive. This

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that too many of us listen to respond,

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we don't listen to understand. Exactly. You know, the

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ego is not there and that is one reason

2:08:38

and that is something I share with you. But

2:08:41

there is another quality that comes out in a story of

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yours and I have to say I

2:08:45

would not have, unfortunately, I would

2:08:48

not have done what you did and I am

2:08:50

really very moved by this. I

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have to say that I have to dial in

2:08:54

radio, which is the logo that I call. And

2:08:58

a typical way of doing that would be you don't

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want that person to talk for too long, you have

2:09:02

to go to the song. And

2:09:06

I think even my approach there would have been

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you do the best show you can within those

2:09:10

limitations. And you wanted to speak more to the

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person because you kept his

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number and after the show

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was over and your professional obligation is over,

2:09:26

you called that person, his son picked it

2:09:28

up and was rude to you and you

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realize this is an elderly gentleman who lives

2:09:32

in a different room or a different house

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to make a connection. And

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I find this deeply moving because

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I see

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this as a characteristic, this is how a

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person is. Not only

2:09:50

like one characteristic which of course

2:09:52

you and I would be nothing without

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is jigya, curiosity, but this is

2:09:57

another characteristic, the urge for connection.

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which I find really beautiful and this also

2:10:03

explains why later on in life, 10 years later,

2:10:05

15 years later, if

2:10:08

you are letting someone speak and letting

2:10:10

someone take the camera, it is not

2:10:12

coming just out of that sense of

2:10:14

professional dharma that I

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have called this person to the show and

2:10:18

I must give them this platform and let

2:10:20

them speak, which is of course there. But

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also this sense of empathy and connection and

2:10:25

all of that. And this is a quality.

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I don't think you can inculcate this or

2:10:29

be intentional about it. This is a

2:10:31

quality. Tell me a little bit about this

2:10:34

that if I ask

2:10:36

you to think about it now and look back, was

2:10:39

there always this sense of empathy and

2:10:42

not empathy in an abstract sense that oh,

2:10:44

the poor are suffering, I care about them,

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anybody can feel that. But this sense of

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empathy of actually taking that action, actually

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picking up the phone after the show is over, going

2:10:54

to somebody's house, talking to them, maybe talking to the

2:10:56

son who was rude to you

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and trying to understand them, etc. Tell me a

2:11:01

little bit about this characteristic of yours that were

2:11:03

you always like this or is this something

2:11:05

you cultivated in yourself because you

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felt this is who I want to be. Actually,

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I would rather admire

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you on this point because you

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took me on a very right

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place. I was expecting this

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question. So you did it very wonderfully.

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radio defined a wise

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way of active confrontation a wise

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way of active confrontation and

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I forget the name of the show and I forget the name of the

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jockey but he played a song from an

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artist I did not expect to hear on radio and

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I was so surprised because I thought I must be

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the only person in India who listens to this because

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it is so unusual so I wrote a

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postcard to that person saying thank you for playing this,

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you made my day and why don't

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you play some Lou Reed also? So

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he didn't reply to that but in the next

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episode of that show he started with Walk on

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the Wild Side by Lou Reed

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and I just felt so touched and

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it is that kind of moment which tells you that

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you are not alone in the world but

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also I am thinking that

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I completely get what

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writing an actual letter means today writing a

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letter is nothing happening and I don't know

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what type it is but it is a

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letter that I can see but I don't

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know what it is but I think that

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in the postcard it requires an

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effort on your part the

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very act of writing communicates

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that you care for this person because you are

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giving them time and attention and there is that

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connection then between

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the writer and the receiver

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and it is a beautiful thing and again that thing you

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are not alone in this world but

2:26:56

today I feel that that connection has changed

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like today I would say that communication

2:27:01

is cheap in a sense

2:27:04

the notion of connection has

2:27:06

sort of been cheaper in the sense that anyone can

2:27:08

send an email anyone can reply to a tweet anyone

2:27:11

can leave a YouTube comment and what

2:27:13

that means is that it becomes physically

2:27:16

impossible to reply to everyone it

2:27:19

is not feasible especially on places

2:27:21

like Twitter where actually some

2:27:23

people might write in bad faith and you don't really want to

2:27:25

engage also with them so it

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becomes physically impossible to do that but at the

2:27:29

same time if you are not able to write

2:27:31

in bad faith in

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my mind that is intimacy at scale

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let me explain what

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I mean and you can

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give me your thoughts on this people who

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were stars they

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were much larger than life they were much larger

2:27:48

than life and

2:27:52

those were your stars and when you

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achieved any kind of intimate connection it

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was a very one on one thing a few people are listening

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to your show the write in

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and you achieve something there. Today, a

2:28:03

medium like podcasting is incredibly intimate in

2:28:05

that it is a voice in your

2:28:07

head. And you

2:28:09

know many people have told me that they listen to

2:28:11

me talk with someone or in a

2:28:16

drawing room, one person once gave

2:28:18

a feedback when I was listening to a

2:28:20

podcast at one point I interrupted. You

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know that I felt so much a part of the

2:28:25

experience and I think that is a kind of magic

2:28:27

that I am sure you have, I am 100% sure

2:28:30

that you have also experienced and felt

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it and people feel that strongly for

2:28:35

what you do and the conversations you have. But

2:28:37

there is also the dilemma that actual reaching out

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in person you cannot do. The intimacy has to

2:28:42

be at scale. You can talk

2:28:44

to every listener as if that person is

2:28:46

part of your life but you cannot actually

2:28:48

talk to any listener individually. So

2:28:51

these are just my sort of, I am thinking aloud

2:28:53

based on what you said. I

2:31:00

have been thinking about this for a long

2:31:02

time, I have been thinking about this for

2:31:04

a long time, but actually part of the

2:31:06

reason is that you are trying

2:31:08

not to be emotional in that moment.

2:31:11

And this keeps happening to me, like I

2:31:13

did a recent episode with Ranjit Hoskote and

2:31:15

at one point I mentioned Dilip Chitre's poem,

2:31:17

Father Returning Home. And I didn't

2:31:20

read it out because I knew I would cry. So

2:31:22

I didn't read it out for that reason. But

2:31:24

mine is an audio medium. So there are times where I

2:31:26

have teared up, there are times when my guests have teared

2:31:28

up. We make ourselves

2:31:30

vulnerable and that can kind of happen. Yours

2:31:33

is a video medium where I guess it is much harder

2:31:35

because the camera is actually on you. Like

2:31:37

I remember 2013, when Raghuvi Yadavki was

2:31:40

at the interview and at the end

2:31:42

he started singing. And maybe I

2:31:44

am mistaken but I felt that when the camera panned

2:31:46

on you that you were trying really hard to control

2:31:48

your emotions. Exactly. It

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was a very moving song and I thought, Irfanji

2:31:53

is feeling what I am feeling but I can

2:31:55

sit here and I can tear up. But

2:31:58

he is on camera, he is kind of... And

2:32:01

this is I think one kind of

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balance that you can maintain, that you have

2:32:05

to maintain, which is the

2:32:07

balance of having on the one

2:32:09

hand a professional conversation and a professional setting,

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but at the same time making a connection with

2:32:15

the man and you have to think about all

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women and thinking about how far

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do you take that human connection and how far do

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you let yourself sink in this. And

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equally I think another balance must be on your

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mind, not so much now because

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now you can go long form,

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you can do longer, but like all the Rajaswami

2:32:33

TV images, you

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know, then there is also that balance to

2:32:38

maintain the format. But

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at the same time I can talk

2:32:43

to this person for five hours. So

2:32:47

tell me a little bit about these two

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balances. One is about that

2:32:51

human connection where you can just throw away

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the filter and you can just, you

2:32:56

know, both of you can be who you

2:32:58

are and the cameras don't matter, but the

2:33:01

cameras are there so they do matter. And

2:33:03

also, you know, the trade off between what

2:33:05

the format is and where you

2:33:07

want to take the conversation. Exactly. Intricate

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recordings. management

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started havingfaced that place. Luckily

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for me, seems i dont

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I have a lot of time to do this. I

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have to do television for entertainment,

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journalism, print, etc. So,

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I admire the

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stars, the achievers,

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the celebrities. I have to do the

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dance. I have to practice. I

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have to do the dance. I

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have to do the dance. I have to

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do the dance. I have to do

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the dance. I have to do the dance. I

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think the market is very important to

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me. I

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think achievement and

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fetishization are very

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important. I

2:42:12

think it's a

2:42:15

challenge that you have to have

2:42:17

a free-wheeling conversation. You

2:42:19

have to have filters. That the other person,

2:42:21

you know, like I think what will often

2:42:24

happen to stars, especially in film, promote, or

2:42:26

even in the movie, I

2:42:30

completely share the lament, so much of

2:42:32

our modern media has become promotional, film

2:42:34

can promote, actor can promote and etc.

2:42:37

After a certain point in time, the

2:42:42

actor basically has a tape recorder in

2:42:44

her head and everything is a soundbite and

2:42:46

it's just coming out and everything is prepared. And

2:42:48

I found that one of the most important things

2:42:50

for me is, I

2:42:52

think soundbites are very important. And

2:42:56

of course my tactical way of doing that is, I'll

2:42:58

talk about someone's childhood, I'll talk about the parents, I'll

2:43:00

try to get them to speak about

2:43:02

something they have never spoken about before, so we

2:43:05

can enter that intimate space. But I have the

2:43:07

advantage that I give myself unlimited time to my

2:43:09

time. I

2:43:11

also have the advantage that I can choose

2:43:14

my guess. So I will, for example,

2:43:16

I don't call politicians because they will always have

2:43:18

a filter. I will never have that

2:43:20

person to human to human conversation that happens. So

2:43:28

I want to ask you about

2:43:30

how you have evolved your style,

2:43:32

like what was your journey of

2:43:34

having these conversations like? Because initially,

2:43:36

I thought that as a

2:43:38

formal interview, it is basically a list

2:43:40

of questions. When I taught

2:43:42

my podcasting course, I looked at different

2:43:44

conversation podcasts across the world and I looked at

2:43:47

all the different styles. And one extreme is you

2:43:49

come with 10 questions and one by one you

2:43:51

ask them and you're not digressing. And the other

2:43:53

extreme, which is really what I try to do,

2:43:55

is I will go anywhere where the conversation takes

2:43:57

me. I have a broad set of themes looking

2:43:59

for you. I have the advantage

2:44:01

of time to do that. But

2:44:04

how did your approach towards that

2:44:06

evolve? Because initially, it feels like

2:44:08

a fixed format. Even the guest is

2:44:10

in that frame of mind. So, how

2:44:13

did you get past this? How

2:44:25

did you learn? I

2:44:27

don't want to ask something very specific like this

2:44:29

element alone. In

2:44:31

the art of conversation, how

2:44:33

did you evolve? How did you

2:44:35

think about the craft? This

2:44:38

is how I loosen the person up. These

2:44:41

are the right kind of questions to ask at this

2:44:43

moment. When is it okay

2:44:45

to interrupt? And of course, my personal answer to that

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is basically never. But tell me,

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I am very keen on learning about your

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learnings on this. We as 31 hours

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National School of Drama, what

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happens is that, there

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what is the budget, what is

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the dream, what is the vision, and

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what is the success of the play list that you

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have made. So, institutions,

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if you come to the National School of Drama, you

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will have to come. And, Digital

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archive created, then,

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with theatre, you

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could get a kind of laughs. And,

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in the English section, for the

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Theatre because there is very large culture in

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London, and those little guys

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that is when you easy with the case, meaning, you need

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people to respect for each other, or

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I am so glad that I am a Bhattak Ghee, and

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I think it is best moments, and I want to

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double-click on this a little bit, often

2:59:41

writing students go to Kethav, and this

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is common advice, and this is common

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advice, and

2:59:47

journaling is important, why? Because, if we

2:59:50

write every day, we are shaping

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our sense of self, and we are even

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creating a new person within us, it becomes

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deeper, And part of the reason we do this,