Coming to you from Open Space, Oswestry we bring you episode 3 of Horses & Biscuits, the companion podcast for the production of "Karen" a TV pilot being brought to life by the Rocking Horse Media crew.

Before we get the auditions for "Wesley" underway we bring you a podcast recorded in front of the 20 something cast and crew in the room. In 30 minutes we bring you 9 guests. The topic of the day? Villains.

How does an actor get cast as a villain and what does a director look for in an the actor? - For that, we ask the crew that work behind the camera.

How does an actor transform into a bad guy? - We ask the 3 actors that auditioned for "Aled" Where do they go to, to gain villain status? What are the inspirations and what does it feel like to be bad?

What does a co-star look for when working alongside an actor who can truly become an a**? - AL speaks to Orla, Steph and Dean about what they expect to see in the villain for "Karen?"

Things are developing into something special during the "Karen" production. The cast, crew and friends of the project are growing and the momentum really is infectious. With every podcast we create as time goes by, we see something new and exciting, it'd be hard to not get enthralled with "Karen"