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Sky Sports Football Football. I

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agree that a ten year with says as rich

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as have a son of a have the heart

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of it. Having

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marshall a clean sheet for he

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seems to have forgotten were only

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four third phone as well. As

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he had the energy disaster the dressing room to

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join us now dispense with his chewing gum or

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get ready for access the an eye out for

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you had set of so that me these and

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driven years on believe was you know. The

6:28

managers been talking about consistency and the boys

6:30

can already conference today an episode of

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today and a celebrity really to be I'm

6:34

so against did you talked to before

6:36

the game a lot about the Dhabi atmosphere

6:38

and having to really be at it

6:40

from the start. yeah in the boys are

6:43

the no one must have games. As

6:45

for the club for the fans boss and

6:47

for the season with had them as

6:49

a big opportunity for for really showed from

6:51

of holly and nobody's so tell us

6:53

about that feeling when for the first time

6:56

in two years the ball hits. The back

6:58

of an hour and you've scored it finally have been

7:00

working on my head as a woman, And

7:02

of us along and says he says. From

7:05

a couple both America for going the

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fact. That

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he got will generate some real power

7:12

on it and of working alone, training

7:14

or mine from a head on and

7:16

on. the set of rather have. Him

7:18

isn't working on the set pieces Se can

7:21

says vanilla talk about and defensively said again

7:23

what were you working on in and was

7:25

you surprised at how much time you had

7:27

with the had a. Yeah M

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v re figured out the back post about

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was in some you on the back was was

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was key was the last game as all

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bomb us or europe than an anathema. And

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the time that you had as well. As

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I said us ruin our rose in cook well

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as as as or credits him for me Get

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me for if you identify whispers oversee because of

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the I bread and Johnson was hooked went up

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lots him and and yourself and by the a

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see a work at the back post that he

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must have full to. So why is no one

7:57

really mark in a of we need we need

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up the aerobic. The isolate or see Ben

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will be in the decoys off hundred hamas of

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couldn't bear confusion and who could almost? I could

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get a proper. Hum

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had a had you're working with Nicholas as well

8:10

because his head it won't bad eva Yale's that

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had as good that he was alive for us

8:14

because go we'll for it when in buff a

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strike as you got be alive and was alive

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and I would submit your form of the cliche

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to that you are Excellent manager Matt She's fully

8:23

deserved healthy got under my sydney Yes yes and

8:25

I thought your fantastic today lot you really enjoyed

8:27

your football is not been easy that so many

8:29

players committed. And as a young plaid

8:31

it's companies academy or typical is is

8:33

when you see not supply aside from

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everywhere and you don't quite know where

8:38

york you're way off utilize is this

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for me. Have been for a lawnmower,

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Korean. And for me as as

8:45

to some point for me to stay focus

8:47

on know my billie even to keep working

8:49

in of was in friend and huddled place

8:51

but what and and training center get the

8:53

manager headache of the other injury that the

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saw the season sought receive of all came

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up from Warlock of Goods or Mckim in

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training ones and I'm and managers for me

9:02

in and for me when the sun own

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this is a must it must have learned

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from Penises Nine and and some of what

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shown on own and do my best and

9:10

most your search of have the extra responsibility

9:12

of looking after Alfie Gilchrist. On the outside

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you order the easiest way that needs looking

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after Ah Tao says brilliance it as a

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basis for me out of communication as defend

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this is important of the of Alfie of

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and so many games love Six and slide

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in Macedonia for dozen cities have so much

9:28

criticism, disease and rightly or wrongly the way

9:30

that you last see the car back up

9:32

the big beating the jihad against south of

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it's do you feel something is a starting

9:37

to click with his to. For

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sure. Definitely the players suffers as we have

9:41

that believe we have no says that as

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as we've been talking before the consistency as

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a young team is gonna be like this

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book the moment we we get up consistency

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them single declined months since to stay grounded

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sale more seasons in. Every

9:55

game and. Congratulations

9:58

Jamie still my son. But

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if you are the player of the

10:03

match trying to figure out salacious to

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those before now my first one good

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translation smells so good. Why does surprise

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me? Happy to have the welcome Might

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as well done Like Cyprus I could

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hear that I'm. Going

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to ruin someone's that? Ah

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sorry Trevor, He deserves it.

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did me? I was brilliant.

10:24

A really a city the styles concerned

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sometimes it just the chopping and changing

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the back line and just as again

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like affluent Venice and difficult than the

10:32

season. but it was perfect and I

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it was. He was amazing. It was

10:37

flawless and got Golan them in my

10:39

he said it it just clicked and

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I hear Chelsea visiting. Her son Jamie

10:43

was I'm going to cancel come you're going

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to hold on to be preserved for safer

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over your shoulder that the manager is on

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his way. He comes monsieur potato on a

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what was the a really pleasing nice Congratulations

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Verizon you thank you so much for joining

10:56

us. We're well we're a little cold but

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we said not illegal. Practices

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and it's may as have, but we enjoyed watching

11:03

that game tonight. Where did you make of it?

11:06

Oh, enjoy yourself. If

11:08

you on then you you in the

11:10

game I seem unusual more were you

11:13

worried about going into the game because

11:15

he had so many injury problems at

11:17

fourteenth was missing tonight our was if

11:20

we have some pussy disease not too

11:22

many that was we believe on redress

11:24

you know in in our players on

11:27

even with a simple sansa we we

11:29

were to they will do. We really

11:31

believe that this is an opportunity to

11:34

show that the really believe in what

11:36

we're doing in. A good idea us

11:38

in our philosophy and this phase if

11:40

we saw a team like a voting

11:42

on nobody's nobody's see. On

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his other be we understand that this

11:48

others but today was fantasy assume that

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will go to the to the blue

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the fulfil crazy because in their way

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that they oppose the game the way

11:56

that would be differences in the way

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they afford Sunday. Whether we do friends

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that we that we tried to play. As

12:04

in fact that is is that as

12:06

soon as my first time I've seen

12:08

this in the season that I really

12:11

frida so so so was So coffee

12:13

because he's the moment that the. After

12:16

that most that they the team really and all

12:18

is said to realize how we need to compete

12:20

on those into they could be we will be

12:22

the really was and in of everything. Like

12:25

it clear, Sydney and it has been yourself

12:27

performance and you'll see me as an I.

12:30

I the noise of his performance for

12:32

the most important is a feeling we

12:34

were all the suitable sauce made As

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he said who says. That

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show that says we're doing.

12:42

Things. With but only was the league's

12:44

to say we need to compete with

12:46

them but have reconnected with again defended

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his you see to the only model

12:50

ago was or some amazing know in

12:52

the way. Therefore how said before about.

12:55

The midfielder I see the whole the

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whole team was in both face. What

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was connected with it is really thought

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about what everybody taking part in the

13:05

game whether they're attacking or defend against

13:07

a sublease ugly. Few

13:10

weeks ago on the horses A we were to

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be what happened here. Knowing says he was of

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the here is only one phrases we want to

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blue or seem to the freedom we the ball

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and then. Run the defensive

13:21

line or runs a between the lady

13:23

that was. On balance a little

13:25

be the situation. The

13:27

sun's out of her you know?

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was so so so low. and

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of the process i we were talking

13:34

these awards and and from lot to

13:36

have this type of recent that hits

13:38

you know who to believe to the

13:41

player of the does is the way

13:43

i got a son says well fuck

13:45

differences are not was your buzzer fans

13:47

are or aren't you to feel try

13:49

to solve a sense of the players

13:51

make him i believe that your your

13:53

message we're you're working nice if we

13:55

already proving minutes and yet he others

13:58

and so fundamental building and what The

14:00

circles are where the circles are. We are

14:02

living in another reality. It's not a

14:05

magic scene. If not, you need to go to

14:07

find Copperfield and bring Copperfield to do magic. The

14:09

magic is not here. How

14:12

much? In a way, when you see

14:14

your squad today, that 11 just picks itself. That's

14:16

probably the easiest 11 you've ever had to pick

14:18

in your life. Ha ha ha. Sometimes,

14:20

does that make it a little bit easier?

14:22

Because when you have such a big squad,

14:24

players come in vast amounts of money and

14:27

it gives you sometimes a problem. But that

14:29

one today was probably, this is what I know

14:31

I've got and I can deal with it. Now, the problem is,

14:34

when people shush,

14:37

you know, players,

14:41

when players are not in a

14:44

bad form, in the best form, competing,

14:46

but because people believe that, because it's

14:48

a name, should

14:51

play, you know? But it's not in form. Or

14:53

it's not, you know, in

14:56

their best. And I think the team from the

14:58

beginning, the decision, I think, we suffered too many

15:00

problems, that sometimes the

15:02

names were there, but not in our

15:04

best. And never really, we get the

15:06

belief, you know, to say, we need

15:09

to play in this way. I think

15:11

too many individual, you know, targets or

15:13

objectives before to the team. I

15:15

think it's true that, what do you say, what do

15:17

you say, because I

15:20

think, yeah, today was the easier, you

15:22

know, selection for us. But,

15:24

in the same time, we

15:26

showed to everyone, that it's not about

15:29

name football. It's about to be competitive,

15:31

to behave like a team. Even if

15:33

you have big players, big names, if

15:35

they don't play like today, trying

15:38

to help the team in a

15:40

defensive situation, and we have

15:43

the ball to believe that, in every single

15:45

action in an offensive situation, we can score.

15:47

And it's impossible, because it's so competitive, the

15:49

Premier League. And you said the players need

15:51

time, you've got a very young team. How

15:53

much do, we're so quick to

15:55

judge manage, how much the managers need time. I

15:57

don't care about my, how you shash me. I'm

16:00

not judging you, but I'm just saying managers need time

16:02

now. When you've only been here a year, you've got

16:04

to get rid of, you've got to get this squad

16:07

in the team and not play on how you want.

16:09

Before yesterday, the media asked

16:11

me about the, sorry maybe, rush,

16:14

when you took to speak quick or? No,

16:17

no, no, no. It was a lot of

16:19

time. You asked me about the battle of

16:21

the bridge a year ago and when you

16:23

saw, you see the squad, Ivanovic,

16:26

Keihil, Chantérie, you know. And

16:29

when you see after the table, they finished

16:31

10 on the table with 50

16:33

points. You know, it

16:35

was Kassar, it was Guillain, it was

16:37

Gil Costa, it was Zefari, it was

16:39

Matis, it was Obemikis, that was the

16:42

big player that really, they proved that

16:44

they can fight. But with this team,

16:47

with young guys, of course,

16:49

I'm going to get the responsibility.

16:52

But at the same time, with all the circumstances, look,

16:56

maybe because today we won and maybe

16:58

I can explain a little bit better.

17:00

But I want to say enough is

17:02

enough. I think all the managers

17:05

need time to translate the

17:07

ideas and the philosophy more when

17:09

the team is like, you know,

17:12

how that squad is

17:14

and we need to have

17:16

time. Well let me ask you. It's not my

17:18

decision. Do you

17:20

fear that that decision could be taken

17:22

out of your hands the way that you're talking?

17:24

Do you feel like you are being judged by

17:26

the Chelsea hierarchy? I

17:29

don't know. It's difficult to

17:32

see, no, every single week that

17:35

I am under scrutiny and

17:37

under judgment, no? And yes,

17:41

but it's not my decision to be here or not

17:43

to be here. If you are here next

17:45

year, is it

17:47

unrealistic to think that you could turn

17:50

Chelsea into, I

17:52

don't know, title challenges, Champions

17:54

League challenges? You tell me. I

17:57

cannot tell you. I cannot say nothing. what

18:00

I can say, what I can say if

18:02

after the circumstance or the decision or thing

18:05

that happened in some way

18:07

or in another. Chelsea, if we

18:09

want to match the history of Chelsea, I

18:12

think it's a lot of work to do. And

18:16

we see if we have time to build

18:18

this way. But that must just give you

18:21

a little feeling tonight that it's possible, doesn't

18:23

it? No, my feeling that I am

18:25

so, so proud about this guy, about

18:28

the squad that we have, 25, 27 players. That

18:33

for me, we work for them,

18:36

we work for our players, I work

18:38

for them. And we want the best

18:40

for them and until the last day, we

18:42

are going to try to cut them. We

18:44

wish you well with it, Mauricio. Thank you so much. We

18:47

could have kept you longer, but we'll let you go. Thank you. Congratulations.

18:53

How do you make of that? I

18:57

don't know. No, I think

19:01

after that, I think it was a great result.

19:03

And I think obviously there may be, I don't

19:05

know, maybe at times maybe understand

19:07

what we were trying to say. But I

19:09

think overall, I think today

19:11

was their best performance and he can't

19:14

control anything else. That's what I

19:16

took from it. And I don't know, really. This is a club

19:18

that wins. You've only got to look throughout the history. But it's

19:20

had a lot of bumps in the road, even when they had

19:22

successes, Champions League wins. And that year,

19:24

I think they finished 10th. A lot of

19:26

managers have come and gone, really good managers. I

19:29

look at it and think right now, when

19:32

you're trying to build a young team, I

19:35

think in a seminar they need to bring in a

19:37

few experienced heads just to help them because you're going

19:39

to lose Tiago, Silva, et cetera. I

19:42

think you need continuity on the bench. I think the

19:44

last thing they need to be doing right now is

19:46

changing the manager for a

19:49

number of reasons. One,

19:51

there's not many candidates out there. You've

19:53

only got to look how hard it is to find

19:55

elite managers in world football. Now, I've always been a

19:58

big fan of him. I think especially When he got

20:00

young players, I looked at the job he did at

20:02

Tottenham, initially when he was there, it was fantastic. They

20:04

were very close to winning something. It didn't go their

20:06

way. Obviously, he's been to PSG, he's been to other

20:09

clubs, but I just sense I quite like what I

20:11

saw there. I saw a little bit of anger in

20:13

him, because there's been times this year when

20:15

I felt he's been a little bit like passive and been

20:17

trying to be everyone's friend. He's not like

20:19

that. He wasn't like that as a player, and he wasn't like that

20:21

in his Tottenham days. So I think looking at him now, I think

20:24

they'd be crazy to get rid of him.

20:27

Is it a little bit, do you think,

20:29

maybe, Karen, that he's using tonight because they've

20:31

won, they've won a big game against their

20:33

big London rivals, and put

20:35

on a good performance as well, that he's using

20:37

that as a platform to sort of stick his

20:40

chest out and say it's unfair to keep scrutinising

20:42

me in the way that I have been scrutinised?

20:44

I think he has, because I've interviewed

20:46

him for the Cup final, and he obviously

20:48

kept saying about his frustrations about not being

20:50

able to pick his team. And you're right,

20:52

this was the only options he had to

20:54

go with tonight. He's got to make the

20:56

young players believe a little bit. And I

20:58

do think it was one of their best

21:01

performances. So he's probably coming here and thinking,

21:03

great. But again, like everything you have around

21:05

Chelsea, there's this such expectation from the last

21:07

20 years that this is

21:09

about winning, delivering trophies, and they're not

21:11

there yet. And you're right, he's going

21:13

to take time. And he was mentioning those

21:15

players, because again, he has to manage

21:18

everyone's expectations. You know, the Hazard, the

21:20

Kaye Hills, the John Terrys, he doesn't

21:22

have that. No. But that was a

21:24

statement win for him, I felt, today. I think

21:26

it was a statement win. And as

21:28

he said, who knows what happens next year? But

21:31

it's unprecedented what we've seen

21:33

at this club with the length of contracts

21:35

that players have been given. I'm not sure

21:37

that's healthy. I think giving young players eight,

21:40

nine-year contracts, seven, eight-year, nine-year contracts, is

21:43

not going to really benefit anybody. When you're playing

21:45

football as a young man, you need to be

21:47

pushing for something every single day. I think it

21:49

makes people comfortable. They get in their armchairs. I've

21:51

got as long as I want to, I'm getting played

21:53

a lot of money. How hard have I got to try and

21:55

train in? For some, it wouldn't make the slightest

21:57

bit of difference. But if you're in clients... to

22:00

just maybe not push yourself at times, that's what

22:02

can happen. Complacency can start to

22:04

sort of slip into your performances. There's been a

22:06

lot of players, even more so than him, that

22:09

have had criticism here. I look at Moises Quesada,

22:11

who early in the season was really poor, so

22:13

off it, and I was thinking, why is that

22:15

player that I saw at Brighton? But today I

22:18

started to see glimpses of the Moises Quesada that

22:20

we were speaking about so highly at Brighton. Enzo

22:23

Fernandez, to a certain extent, is a

22:25

bit of a problem. I think when I watch him in this

22:27

league, watching him obviously, the World Cup winner,

22:29

it seems a bit quick for him. Now

22:31

he's been here, I think 18 months, he needs to

22:33

improve if he wants to become a, you know, work

22:36

in the Premier League. But there are a lot of

22:38

positives here as well, but it's just going to take

22:40

time. Do they have tough decisions to make, whether it's

22:42

an Enzo Fernandez or keeping Conor

22:44

Gallagher and giving him the kind of

22:47

contract that his his count will

22:49

feel that he deserves, the Chelsea fans would like

22:51

to see that happen as well. Is it got

22:53

to be a summer? I've been quite ruthless in

22:55

the Chelsea count. Well, what I did take from

22:57

that was he's not interested in the big names,

23:00

he needs a connecting team. So some people might

23:02

not fit in that system and you're right, you

23:04

might have to say, I need a

23:06

youngster in there because I know that they can run, I know

23:08

they can do this, I might have to sell one of the

23:10

top players that we all think. But what do

23:12

you think though, Kat? When you say Conor Gallagher,

23:14

you know, with the rules and everything, by selling

23:17

homegrown talent, and you see there was a massive

23:19

banner unfolded over my left shoulder that said about

23:21

Conor Gallagher and I thought, you cannot let a

23:23

young talent like that go. Someone that cares about

23:25

the club. I mean, look at that. I said

23:28

before the game, he's been the player of the

23:30

year, I completely forgot about

23:32

that young man, Cole Palmer, but he hasn't

23:34

been far off. He has been magnificent this

23:36

year and he cares for the club. And

23:38

you can't because it helps financial fair play

23:41

sell him. It's just defeating the object

23:43

of what you're trying to achieve at a club

23:45

because they've always loved the players coming through with

23:48

likes of John Terry, where they haven't had that

23:50

many. But you've got one here that you can

23:52

see genuinely cares. Why don't you just make sure

23:54

that you keep him. It's not about

23:56

playing games. It's not always about financial fair play. It's about

23:58

a little bit of caring. and attention for

24:00

your home grown talent. Statement win for

24:03

Chelsea says Jamie overspersed tonight. Let's get

24:05

our first reaction from the Tottenham dressing

24:07

room. Mickey van der Wern is talking

24:09

to Patrick Davidson. Well,

24:12

Mickey, over the season, Tottenham

24:14

have set high standards for themselves. Did

24:17

you feel below those today? As a

24:19

group? Yeah. Yeah, today was not

24:21

a good performance for us. And I

24:23

think we can do much better, play much better football.

24:25

And today is not good enough. OK, what was missing?

24:28

Yeah, the first half we

24:30

don't even try to play. Yeah, we

24:33

tried to build up, but we don't even come out. And

24:35

when we came out, we don't really push forward. We don't...

24:38

I think we didn't create even something the first half. And

24:41

then the second half, you want to come out strong and want

24:44

to play. And I think we tried to play also the second

24:46

half, but... Yeah, there was

24:48

not that confidence today to make the goal. I was

24:50

just going to ask, sometimes teams get

24:52

in ruts and confidence goes. Is that where you

24:54

are as a group right now? I

24:57

don't want to say our confidence is gone. And Sunday

25:00

is a big game upcoming and it's important we

25:02

cover well. And we take a look

25:04

back at this game and we have

25:06

to bounce back better, of course, for the weekend. That's

25:08

another couple of goals from set-pieces. Just defending them. I

25:10

know that the second one with the shot on

25:13

goal is slightly different. But does every kind

25:15

of ball that goes into your box from a set-piece

25:17

at the moment feel like hard work to defend? Because

25:20

we know what to do, but, yeah, every

25:22

ball goes in at the moment. And it's

25:25

not falling on our side. And of course we have to watch back

25:27

on it and it can't happen. Of course, two goals again are coming

25:29

for set-pieces. So we have to work on it again and we have

25:31

to look back on it. But it's

25:33

not that every time when I have a set-piece, I'm like,

25:35

it's going to be a goal or something. And listen, you'll

25:37

be expecting this question. A couple of

25:39

months ago, you looked good for the Champions

25:42

League. Does that now look and feel a long

25:44

way off? Yeah, of course, it's going to

25:46

be difficult. We lost two games in a row. Also

25:49

after this game, I don't really want to look up

25:51

to the Champions League because we didn't have a

25:54

good performance today and it's important. We played a good game

25:56

on Sunday and we played upcoming four games, a good game.

25:58

I think that's the most important for us. Listen,

26:00

thanks for coming out. Thank you. Thank

26:02

you. More

26:05

set pieces conceded from Spurs. They've lost

26:07

their last three now. It's 20 years

26:09

since they lost four on the bounce,

26:11

so we know what's next for them,

26:13

except to Anfield this coming Sunday, and

26:15

a Liverpool team that will feel like they want

26:18

to bounce back as well. We

26:20

had a great view of it tonight, just

26:22

sitting behind the dugouts and watching the managers.

26:25

You could see how happy and relaxed Mr.

26:27

Pochettino looked right from the start as his

26:29

team were on the front foot. It

26:32

couldn't have been a greater contrast, Karen, watching

26:34

Anj Poster Kogler, as his team really struggled

26:37

to get up the pitch tonight. Yeah, I

26:39

mean, I've never seen him so animated,

26:41

and he dug about three or four

26:43

players out individually. And

26:46

because it just worked, they couldn't get out, like

26:48

you said, and we mentioned at the start of

26:50

the game, getting to your individual players to son

26:53

in particular, and they didn't, and that passage of

26:55

play led to this, and it led to the

26:57

goal, which has obviously gone through with Taleba. But

26:59

again, the defence is FRAE-Cucare, they're blocking it, Taleba

27:02

mentioned, we highlighted it, we saw it from the

27:04

last game, they vacate that back space there. It

27:07

wasn't like difficult for

27:09

Chelsea, good block, and Taleba gets a free

27:11

head in the thing, and again, Houghton, you've

27:14

been on the back foot just because you're

27:16

not addressing this situation. You were asking

27:18

the question, Jamie, is it the case that you see it

27:20

Mickey van de Venne, who's a giant that Charleston did in

27:22

the air, is it the case that they want those players

27:25

between the posts a little bit, because they

27:27

feel the danger is less from outside? Yeah,

27:29

there is that, but then the

27:32

answer would be, well, look, look what happens

27:34

when you don't mark situations. Now, when you're

27:36

in the dressing room, I'm

27:39

sure the coaches go through who's marking who,

27:41

obviously from why there is, that'll be a

27:43

zone or defending. I just

27:45

feel every now and again as a player,

27:47

someone has to take the responsibility, where you

27:49

look round, you're setting up for that set piece,

27:52

and you see a problem behind you. You see

27:54

two massive guys, Baddie Ashiel

27:56

and Chalaba. Now, I don't understand

27:58

why it's a... As a leader in

28:00

that team, you would say, okay, I'm gonna go and

28:02

do that. That's trouble at the

28:04

back post. You can't leave Brennan Johnson, and I

28:07

think the next one was the

28:09

right back. Played left back today. Royal?

28:12

Royal, Emerson Royal. So here's the other one. Now,

28:14

you've got to be, alarm bells have to be

28:17

ringing, and someone's gotta say, listen, I know this

28:19

is a setup, I know what the coaches want,

28:21

but one of us has just gotta go and

28:23

make sure we mark. You can see the block,

28:25

his suit is really clever, and this happens all

28:28

the time in modern football. And

28:31

now once, you can't be giving someone a

28:33

free header from just outside the six-yard box.

28:35

And I have to think that looking at

28:37

the coaches, looking at the organization and saying,

28:39

who's doing that? It isn't

28:41

the right setup. And it was a great message

28:44

from Chellaba, wasn't it? There is a professional football

28:46

who plays for Chelsea, who's telling everyone that he's

28:48

working so hard on the training ground, trying to

28:50

improve his heading. Look, and this is why. And

28:53

it was an absolute fabulous header, because it's distance, he's

28:55

got a get trajectory on it as well, you know,

28:57

it's absolutely brilliant. You can see he has. 15

29:00

set pieces conceded, and the first half was really one

29:02

to forget for Spurs, despite the fact he was only

29:04

one nil at halftime. They couldn't get Son in the

29:06

game in that first half. He had 17 churches. They

29:09

came out stronger, he had 10 in the first

29:11

10 minutes of the second half, but still they

29:13

couldn't find a way through Chelsea, and then they

29:15

got themselves up the other end, and we know

29:18

how deadly Cole Palmer is from these free kicks,

29:20

so this again goes down as

29:22

another set piece conceded. But let's talk

29:24

about Nicholas Jackson's role in it, Jamie.

29:26

Unbelievable, talking about using your neck muscles,

29:29

making sure you can get everything on you can,

29:31

and you wind that net up, and you just

29:33

gotta get as much power, and you can see

29:35

he's outside the six yard box, he's bouncing, it's

29:37

not an easy one to generate the power, the

29:39

free kick is so unlucky, it's magic. And

29:42

then he just manages to head it over to two defenders,

29:44

I think it's Son and Huyberg, nobody really goes to try

29:47

and win the initial header with him, they leave it and

29:49

try and get back on the line, and

29:51

they can't do it in the meantime, but look at that

29:53

power he generates. Really, really

29:55

good header. What about his overall play

29:57

tonight, Karen, leading the line for Chelsea?

30:01

My thought is he scores the difficult

30:03

ones and the easier ones he seems

30:05

to miss but his overall performance, he's

30:07

going into it definitely. I thought he

30:09

could link up to him, he's threatening

30:11

on the pace and behind. Was he

30:13

one of those players that Richard Pochettino might have

30:15

been referencing the fact that it wasn't just when

30:18

Chelsea were in possession that he had a

30:20

really important role, it was out of possession

30:22

as well? I think that was more Madriouac and he

30:24

mentioned that because he had to drop in to make a

30:26

five the last 15-20 minutes but

30:28

he was key. I think again it was just

30:30

the whole team, they all knew their responsibilities, they

30:32

all dug in and he got his goal and

30:34

that was really difficult like you said. He's not one

30:37

of them that's just, you know, he put him in front

30:39

of the goal sometimes and he can miss it but those

30:41

ones actually like you say look harder, he makes them look

30:43

quite easy. Yeah because he had a lot of time, he

30:45

had to just his feet, missed the two players out on the

30:47

line, I thought that was a really good header. That's 11

30:49

goals he scored from open play this season which

30:51

is the most in this Chelsea team so

30:54

he just needs to get the penalties doesn't he? Let's

30:56

not go there again. London

31:25

rivals Chelsea and their season is

31:28

threatening to fall away somewhat, here

31:30

is Andrzej Posso-Kodlou now giving his

31:32

post-match thoughts to Patrick Davidson. Andrzej,

31:37

second half but you looked so

31:39

disappointed, so angry with your players

31:43

first off, what did you see that you

31:45

didn't like? Yeah look it's

31:47

not good enough and I've

31:50

got to

31:52

take responsibility for that, that's on me. I'm

31:55

the manager, I'm the one that's putting them out there

31:57

and there's nowhere near good enough. As

32:00

I said I've got to have a look at myself

32:03

and all this and see how I can have

32:06

more of an impact. So, just

32:08

on what you're saying there, where do you feel as

32:10

manager you've fallen short? Well

32:13

when we put on a performance like we did in

32:15

the first half it means obviously my message isn't getting

32:17

through. So that's what made

32:19

you address. What

32:21

was the message that didn't get through? Come

32:25

on mate, we didn't play well. I mean what do you want

32:27

me to sit here and write your dossier on where we went

32:29

wrong? Like I said I'll take responsibility, we were poor in the

32:31

first half. Still think their

32:33

goal was a foul but no one cares about that.

32:35

But we didn't deserve anything more

32:37

than that and like I said that's on me. Okay,

32:40

are you just looking for a bit of fluency

32:43

in midfield? Have you got a few too

32:45

many that have all lost form together? Definitely

32:48

lost some conviction and belief in

32:51

our football for sure. For

32:54

the midfield just in general I think we've lost a

32:56

little bit of a bit of a life in conviction

32:58

in our football. And again that's

33:01

the responsibility on me to change

33:03

that. And defensive

33:05

set pieces will come under the microscope again,

33:07

both goals came that way. Were

33:10

you more unhappy, particularly with the first goal, with

33:13

the build up to the free kit? Even before

33:15

that ball went in I could see

33:17

you were unhappy with something. Well

33:19

like I said I mean I thought their goal was

33:21

a foul but aside from that it

33:24

wasn't about conceding the goal, it was about our approach

33:26

to our football. We

33:29

just know we're near good enough, we're nowhere near as

33:32

positive as we need to be and

33:34

again that's on me. Okay, I don't

33:36

know you said in the build up

33:38

to this you weren't concerned about set

33:40

pieces, I think you said you weren't

33:43

interested. Genuine question, when

33:45

they seem to decide so many matches

33:47

why aren't you interested? That's a really good

33:49

question, I didn't say I wasn't interested, I said it's not my priority but

33:51

that's okay. If people think that

33:53

what we're missing is set pieces that's

33:56

fine, I'll Do my job. Monday

34:00

saying. like with when things are going well,

34:02

the summer shine and Ten on bait and

34:04

the very difficult moments. Did. It

34:06

didn't know kind of moments like this would be around the corner

34:08

at some point. There

34:11

with with with been a bit of a

34:13

gone for a while now but nervous and

34:15

in as part of a challenge and part

34:17

of aggro science. From. Last night

34:19

and the cyber. Are going to have

34:22

had to have a grand scale rather have

34:24

before and down sometimes gonna grind it

34:26

out and get through it. Cites grew

34:28

ported I am went down with didn't sam

34:30

we can discuss the an amateur yes

34:32

the other know he said if said

34:34

many times champions league not the bill and

34:37

indo but does that look a long

34:39

way off now. I'd

34:42

I'd done a survey questions and the said

34:45

we would force had eyes and that's when

34:47

or sykes is it was appointed think it

34:49

about innocent else. Other than that we didn't

34:51

perform said I am or Sanogo Marshalls ability

34:53

to make sure the way I perform an

34:55

excellent thank you thank you for a. Hugely

34:59

frustrated there and pasta conclude set

35:02

pieces he eats he doesn't want

35:04

to talk about it should he

35:06

came off j shoot at because

35:08

obviously they define games but I

35:11

think we'll. Be doing them at the

35:13

service or the in a pot people home

35:15

that what's in the spices had that was

35:17

really would have thought it was with Totnes

35:19

if I hate it when individual battles they

35:22

didn't win enough combos they were so passive

35:24

especially not for us off in a Darby

35:26

game where you really got of windows individual

35:28

battles you got playful would you are looks

35:30

a passive of the emergency say didn't do

35:33

the basics that we spoke about the saw

35:35

the it went and took over always what's

35:37

in his for thinking my god this is

35:39

almost revolutionary you got to make come into.

35:41

Midfield you got the sinful by looking fantastic

35:44

people planet such a high level James Madison

35:46

except us that is falling off a cliff

35:48

right now that if one to at a

35:50

loss seven since they they Aston Villa in

35:53

one the best performances have seen the season

35:55

phone in a way the other thing that

35:57

really worries made it I pay thirty seven.

36:00

This year Tottenham they were last several after they.

36:02

Lost in the care about couple I think in

36:04

the second round and lots of the half a

36:07

cup in the forefront of gets my city. There's

36:09

no fatigue involved if you put that into context.

36:11

a similar paid fifty two games and they still

36:13

look so fresh. But for Tottenham right now. I'm.

36:16

A look at the manager and he looks be and

36:18

and I was like wow that's pretty damn mean I

36:20

don't like to see it manager like the artistic. There's

36:22

a lot of manages up when you might be taught

36:25

them for it's a miniseries not been there that long.

36:27

I think the lot of i'm get like that after

36:29

a while but that's really early. Okay,

36:34

What Jamie said of the star the

36:37

answer was was about the general performance

36:39

tonight and I'm wasn't that actually what

36:41

poster totally was most upset about it.

36:43

Will reset it a half time We've never seen

36:45

in Savannah my city to that individual players and

36:47

I think you were say it isn't as easy

36:49

says he's telling the players and they're not doing

36:52

it susan not doing it other not listening to

36:54

it or how easy to live in it and

36:56

that's what is the say that because every time

36:58

an authority be seen to do something and they

37:00

weren't doing doing the same thing over and over

37:03

again and it wasn't a what he wanted to

37:05

that school is listed. This is the for

37:07

me that you were talking about. These are last

37:09

seven games and remember when may be Aston Villa

37:11

They are only two points behind them and with

37:14

a game in hand as well and I think

37:16

a lot of people expected that to be the

37:18

start of a real search for Spurs for the

37:20

top four. Yes that was. I think it has

37:22

my that game of Fulham Saturday Night Football allow

37:25

member think it's muscles aren't he did it would

37:27

be Karen I've watched them the weekend it was

37:29

such an urgency about applied They went there and

37:31

I saw always good a sign up going to

37:34

stop playing with football will win this game. and

37:36

they were blown away by saddam and seen

37:38

that now just started to creep him midfield

37:40

was a real wage him for his team

37:42

wanted to pursue my saw the season madison

37:45

and i'm saw or pensacola of when it

37:47

once he come back to fitness a full

37:49

dismissals got this looks as good as an

37:51

accident in of in the premier league right

37:53

now see some was he left that coupled

37:55

with and and on sunday against also these

37:57

chinese that against as i said can of

37:59

freshening up players aren't playing at the

38:01

level they were earlier in the season and if you

38:03

want to compete and especially when you play this as

38:05

few games as what Tottenham have you've got to be

38:08

performing every single week and that's really disappointing when I

38:10

look at how good they were early in the season.

38:13

Who do you think finishes higher next season? Spurs

38:15

or Chelsea? I

38:17

think I want to say Chelsea. With

38:20

conviction do you say that? I mean

38:22

I don't trust either of them at the moment

38:24

to be brutally honest but I don't

38:26

know I just think again both the windows are

38:28

going to be really key don't forget this is

38:31

Anschwerst season here as well as obviously Parch but

38:33

I think as well he's got to go and

38:35

find the players that can deliver his philosophy and

38:37

he can find them they'll have a great chance

38:39

but after today's performance I'm back

38:41

in Chelsea. Jamie? I

38:43

mean you'd have asked me ten games ago what I

38:46

said we'll Tottenham all day long I didn't have to

38:48

be honest that was a bit of a worrying interview

38:50

for a man he didn't seem and I've watched his

38:52

interviews for a while now and he's slowly but surely

38:54

looking like he's not enjoying it as much as what

38:56

he was when he first come. I

38:59

still feel Tottenham have got the players

39:01

and the structure there but they definitely need to

39:03

thicken up the squad I look at the subs

39:05

coming on aren't at the level that you

39:07

need so I think there needs to be some recruitment

39:09

that comes in to just to help that. Chelsea

39:12

I'm still not sure with this project but we will

39:14

see I don't I think what as I said before

39:16

it would be a bad idea to get rid of

39:18

the manager and try and find somebody new. It's going

39:21

to be a fascinating summer ahead here at Stanford Bridge

39:23

that is for sure Jamie thank you Karen thank you

39:25

very much as ever. You'll

39:27

never stop this thing,

39:29

don't ever let you

39:31

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