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This is the sky sports football

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podcast there was a huge Merseyside

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Derby on Wednesday evening as relegation

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threatened to everton welcome title chasing

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Liverpool to Goodison Park. Here's

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how the action unfolded. The

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Knights of Glue Rothering. Everton's

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first Goodison Derby win

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in an eternity. They

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reach out for salvation

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and Liverpool's dream is

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damaged. Not quite

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beyond repair but nastily.

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A day in the Calvert-Lewin scrapbook never

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to be erased. For

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Jurgen Klopp, hitherto invincible

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on the territory of

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his neighbours has been beaten

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this time, the last time. Granthwaite

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in the first half, Calvert-Lewin

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thumpingly, regally in

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the second. A

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result cheered to the rafters at Everton

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and the Emirates and the Etihad. Everton's

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safety, close enough you

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can reach out and touch it. For

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Liverpool to fulfil their headiest

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ambitions, well now it

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will require quite a twist. Tonight

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the Blues will have quite a party.

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The final score

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at Goodison Park. I

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say 20, medicine too,

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Liverpool, Liverpool Nothing

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has been decided to definite, then

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everything, of pretty much state Liverpool,

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pretty much out of the title

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race A thoroughly deserved 2-0 win, the

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first and a multi-time start in the goodness

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of hearts for Everton Since

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2010, when you really have watched the season in

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the studio, how much would you rather be down

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there with? We had a

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brilliant conversation, seriously, quite importantly,

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and I'm not sure how

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to take it But to

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be Liverpool, I'm not

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sure you'd make a big difference in the first

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one, but I'm getting a better start But I

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thought we'd be going for a fully deserved two

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points We can see your old season ticket from

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where we're sitting How much would

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you have enjoyed this, watching on as an

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Everton fan from the stand How much will

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these fans be during this? It's

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amazing, at this pub you have

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moments where you see

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you look round at the end of the

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game, no one's ever seen You feel like

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you're stadium is all stadium, and when you're

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going to the stadium the players will feel like

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a vibration from the stadium You'll feel a fan singing,

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so it's a massive win,

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and as you said, Liverpool looked

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a bit shell-shocked And you're

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very, very sad against the Jürgen Klopp team, they

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look like Everton wants it more Jamie,

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did Everton want it more? Is this

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the end of Liverpool's title dreams? No,

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it's just a one-lit more, it's Everton's

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land You have to give them a

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chance, it's not being easy, you see

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the left-hand drive again So

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you have to set up as a Liverpool fan,

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but this is the

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end of the title run for Liverpool I'm

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just going to make sure the season is

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now really strong with me We

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have a lot of chances within the game, but at the

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moment they're not, clinical and nothing, both

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boxes I don't know if it's

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the time to get too angry with the

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team or Jürgen Klopp, you know, it's been

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a great ride, great journey like

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you have to take it on this thing. Daniel,

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what do you think of side of the game in the end?

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Well, I think it was probably that

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first 30 minutes set the tone for

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Everton, you know, the way they performed,

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the chances Liverpool missed. You know, I think

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that they had some pivotal moments in the

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game where you think the tide could

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have changed and it didn't. So, you know,

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for me, I think Everton's performed tonight. They

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performed very well. You've got to give

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them credit when they deserve it and

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they certainly do tonight. So, you know, credit for

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everything. We will have lots more

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to say about this game between now and

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11 o'clock, but it's not the only match

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that's been taking place in the Premier League

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this evening. As

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the celebrations continue at Goodham Park, let's

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check in on what's been happening elsewhere.

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We'll have beaten 1-0 at home by

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Bournemouth and twice the menu with the goal

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in that game. And the press has sent

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off the Bournemouth. Her profile on Matt Daugherty.

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They held on to take all three

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points. Mateta on target. Guys

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who can't stop scoring, 2-0 victory for

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them against Newcastle United,

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Manchester United, 1-2-1

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down against Sheffield United so they

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came back to win that game

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by four goals to two. Everton,

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2-0 winners, as we've just seen against Liverpool

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at Goodham Park. And remember, you can see

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having to register. And

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the table makes good reading for

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Everton. They are eight points above

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the bottom three with 12 points

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left to play for. Incidentally, that's a

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feat for Sheffield United. It

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means they can now be relegated

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this weekend coming to could of

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that defeat today. Chris Chappelle has

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moved up onto 39 points and

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that one now, especially since they're not... felt

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comfortable before this it is now official.

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In the

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top half Manchester United go above Newcastle

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they are now in sixth place but

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the title race is now

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looking like a two-force race.

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Arsenal stay top Liverpool are

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three points behind them Manchester

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City are a further point back but

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they have two games in hand. You

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away you go. Now back to the

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Sky Sports football podcast. Jordan,

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Dominic, wow that was

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insane.

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I don't know about that but it's my

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first experience winning the Derby. Second sorry I

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had first at home. Great atmosphere, great

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application from the lads and thoroughly deserved

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it. It was a massive win. Not

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for the rivalry, it's

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in the league as well and we keep pushing and you

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know hard work pays off. You

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matched everything that was thrown your way tonight.

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You've got to put the hard yards in.

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He's grafting up there by himself and gets

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your rewards if I go. Team

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effort, clean sheet again. We

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keep building. Yeah, Dom, it's been

8:02

such a tough season for you, what with injuries and

8:04

everything else, but you come back, you've got such a

8:06

lead. What does it mean for you being that Everton

8:09

number nine? Being

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asked that question a few times. It's everything you know,

8:14

it's what I've worked for, it's where I wanted to be and it's

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where I want to be. So, I just

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see it as a great privilege, pressure is a privilege

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and it's my responsibility to carry that and it's

8:23

nice when you work hard and like George says, you get

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the reward with a goal. But what does

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it mean on nights like this? Well, it's extra

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special, isn't it? Local Derby, I've been here

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long enough to know what it means to the fans, know

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what it means to me, and a

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great result given the circumstances. Where

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we are in the league, we needed a massive three points and

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everything kind of came together tonight. How much

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did the support help you as well get over

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the line because it was intense out there, the

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atmosphere, it's still going. Yeah, it was electric

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and I felt it at the end. It's not

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been like that for a while, it's extra special.

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And I think to do that on a night like this,

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it's a great experience and a great memory for everyone

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and something that we'll look to kick on from. And

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Jordan, on nights like this, when you look at the league

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table and what you're doing

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here right now, off the back of that Nottingham

9:11

Forest win as well, does it ease

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the pressure a little bit? No,

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I think we just, it obviously will,

9:18

but we can't ease off. We've got

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to keep pushing, keep working hard, recover

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and get ready for Saturday, another big game. But

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you've got to enjoy the night, but you've got to recover well

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because they come around thick and fast and, no,

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delighted and pushes us

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away even further up the table now and

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keep building. You must be so close

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though now, you must be. Oh, I

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don't know. He's happy, isn't he? Oh, he's

9:41

tired. But

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no, enjoy it and

9:47

the mental side of it, takes it out of you and

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you've got to be in the game against top sides and

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great win for the fans and

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for us and for the club. 2010,

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the last time, Emosicide Derby was...

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one here at Goodison. Michael Arteta was one of the

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goalscorers that night. Do you think you'll have a little

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bit of a jig at this result? Yeah,

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well not anymore is it? We've won tonight, so

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Carver Loon was the goalscorer in Jive Rampley. So

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we'll look to kick on from that and put

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all them records and things like

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that to bed and continue

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to win more Derby's. Yeah, it's your night, you're going

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to own it aren't you? Yeah, definitely.

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Brilliant stuff. Are you a player of the match? Dominic, would you like

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to do the award? Well done so far. Thank

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you. Nice one. Thank you very much.

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Dominic Carver Loon, player of the match, and we

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will talk about him a little bit later on,

10:34

but overall in terms of that performance, when we

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heard the players saying all the right things, this

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is just about the points in the league, yes

10:41

it's a bit special, trying to keep their emotions

10:43

in check, but they will be so buoyed by

10:45

this as they head into the latter stage of

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the season, particularly because it was so well deserved.

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Yeah, it was a huge game obviously for Bowl clubs tonight

10:53

and I think the way you have it in the start

10:55

of the game, we knew

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Liverpool would have a lot of ball and possession,

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but just how aggressive the way of getting up

11:02

to the ball and at the right moment, set

11:04

pieces were always going to be massive. In Everton's

11:07

favour and I thought Liverpool were very naive in

11:09

how they defended set pieces, because they knew that

11:11

was coming in. And the work

11:13

they put in, I think Everton ran a lot

11:15

more than Liverpool tonight and you

11:18

get your rewards for that, so I was delighted

11:20

to see Everton winning a good decision, it's been

11:22

a long time, like

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all the fans here, just so happy. Yeah, it's been

11:26

14 years, but it's not just

11:28

here at Goodison, it's been difficult at Anfield

11:31

as well, it's been a long time since Everton,

11:34

they had the 1-0 victory in, sorry,

11:37

the victory at Anfield in Covid, but it's been

11:39

a long time since they've been able to celebrate

11:41

a win in front of fans anywhere. Yeah

11:43

it is and I think they got a bit

11:45

of confidence obviously after the forest game,

11:47

so to come into this game, you had a little bit of

11:49

a bounce in the step as well and I'm

11:52

delighted to see the fans, because the last few years of football

11:55

club and the fans have been through

11:57

a really difficult period, not

11:59

much to... to celebrate and always wondering

12:02

whether they're going to stay in the league or not.

12:05

And tonight we're almost cemented the place

12:07

in the Premier League or to do it against

12:09

Liverpool. It's a great night. As

12:11

Wayne said, more possession, more shots

12:13

from Liverpool without looking particularly

12:16

threatening for large parts of the game.

12:18

Yes, they had their chances. But what

12:21

was wrong with their performance tonight, do you think?

12:24

I think they played in two evidence hands initially. And that's

12:26

not just a shown dice event. I think every

12:28

time you come to Goodison, you know, it's a

12:30

tight pitch. The crowd want to get involved in

12:32

one of your set pieces. That's always Everton's way

12:35

to beat Liverpool. And I just think Liverpool, the

12:37

way they started the game, was really

12:39

naive. Paul giving silly fouls away, taking too long on

12:41

the ball and letting the crowd get into the game.

12:43

But then they got into

12:45

the game and started making passes, started

12:48

creating chances before half-time. Now,

12:52

the chance of noon as misses before

12:54

half-time, that's unforgivable at this level. These

12:58

lads know a lot more than me about that. But

13:00

that's not acceptable at this level,

13:02

certainly Liverpool are going for the title. I

13:05

actually thought at the start of the second half,

13:08

Liverpool were in control of the game and I thought a

13:10

goal's coming. And I just thought if Liverpool got one,

13:13

they'll end up going on and getting two. And

13:16

I thought Liverpool started the second half really well. And

13:19

then most of the time, they gave a ball away. And

13:21

Liverpool should defend the corner a lot better again. But most

13:23

of the time, they gave a ball away. And he's just

13:25

left a shadow of himself. And a

13:27

lot of this scene was especially since

13:29

he's come back from in-journey. He is Liverpool's

13:32

legend, superstar, one

13:35

of the all-time greats. But he's been so far off. And

13:37

then as soon as you went in two, now that there

13:39

was no way they didn't fail for Liverpool, we're going to get back into

13:41

the end. And then he did run out of ideas. The

13:44

goals are coming. But first, let's hear from

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Virgil van Dijk with Juliette. Virgil,

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it's always difficult on nights

13:52

like this, raw and motive, but what

13:54

did you make of that performance? So

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many mistakes out there from Liverpool tonight.

13:58

Yeah, listen. very disappointed in so

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many ways and I think everyone has to look

14:03

in the mirror and look at

14:06

their own performance if they really

14:08

give everything and do they

14:10

really want to win the league and obviously

14:12

we're fighting and we still have games after

14:15

the night but we play

14:17

like we did overall in the game

14:20

today and not winning

14:22

challenges and giving the ref to an

14:24

opportunity to give a free kick like

14:26

he did many times then

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we have no chance to win the

14:31

title and like

14:34

I said it's a tough one and obviously

14:37

we have to do much better against the side

14:39

that's playing against relegation and

14:44

now it's time to focus on a

14:46

12-30 kick up again. You did concede

14:48

a lot of free kicks but it just looked like

14:50

in the end you just ran out of ideas. Yeah

14:54

I think you try the force things and I think

14:56

we give so many crosses where they can just

14:59

clear it quite easily and I still think we

15:01

had in the first half clear card chances that

15:03

we should have scored but

15:06

eventually we

15:08

weren't good enough and it's not with the fight

15:10

and like I said we all have to

15:13

do much better and we can't let the season go out like

15:16

tonight and the first half against Crystal Palace

15:18

especially that was also very disappointed and like

15:21

I said we

15:24

have to do much better in every sense

15:26

and it's a tough one

15:28

to do. When

15:31

you say you have to do much better and

15:33

you don't want the season to go out the

15:35

way that it seems to be doing at the

15:37

moment what do you put that down to? I

15:42

wish I had a proper answer for that

15:44

but we're

15:46

in this situation because we have been very consistent

15:48

throughout the whole season even

15:51

with all the injuries that we had. Players

15:53

that come in did the job and the young

15:55

players that contributed and obviously we're in a good

15:58

position. I

16:00

don't think anyone in the start of the season would

16:02

have never thought that we are competing, at least for

16:04

the title. But listen, I don't

16:06

care what everyone says in the start of the season,

16:08

we are here now and we all have to do

16:10

much better. It sounds pretty

16:12

simple, but it starts with the fight

16:15

and the

16:17

will to win your

16:19

challenges and be

16:22

confident in scoring a goal. That's

16:25

why you've been lacking a little bit, it's

16:28

a combination of a lot of things that are

16:31

not falling on display. I

16:34

think the

16:36

Fulham game was still a good improvement, but

16:38

today in so many ways,

16:41

I don't even want to

16:43

speak about the ref, because that's not an

16:45

excuse. We have to do much

16:47

better. You were just out-fought there,

16:49

weren't you? Sorry? Just

16:52

out-fought there tonight. Yeah,

16:54

unnecessary, because obviously these games

16:56

are always a big fight,

17:00

and something that we shouldn't have lost,

17:03

in my opinion. But we did, and

17:06

now we have to pick ourselves up

17:08

and be ready for an

17:10

early kick-off on Saturday again. Very lastly,

17:13

you mentioned the title and the challenge that you're in, do

17:15

you consider yourself still to be in it? If

17:19

we play like today, then we have no chance to consider

17:22

ourselves in the title race. We

17:25

have to just focus on the next game, and that will be a

17:27

tough one anyway again. We'll see.

17:31

Thank you for your time, both. Thank you very much.

17:34

The next game that Virgil van Dijk mentioned

17:37

a couple of times there is West Ham

17:39

at 12.30 on Saturday coming. But

17:42

they were supposed to be going there

17:44

with title ambitions. Van Dijk hasn't conceded

17:46

it yet. They're three points off Arsenal.

17:48

And yes, they're just ahead of City,

17:50

but City have those two games in

17:52

hand. And it definitely feels that this

17:54

is going to be an almost impossible

17:56

task for Liverpool now. isolated

18:01

a few errors and a few issues that

18:03

he thought led to Liverpool being beaten, would

18:05

you go along with him? Yeah

18:08

I mean of course you know I think he was

18:10

out there and felt it you know but watching

18:13

the game you could

18:15

kind of sense that as I said from

18:17

the first sort of 30 minutes they didn't

18:19

seem like they were quite at it. You

18:22

were expecting a game like this coming away at

18:24

Goodison Park, you were expecting okay the players know

18:26

what's at stake here, they've got

18:29

to secure the three points, they've got to

18:31

match Everton's intensity because they're fighting for in

18:33

a relegation battle so it's clear what the

18:35

game what's at stake in the game and

18:37

I just think some of the

18:39

players maybe didn't understand or

18:41

feel what Derby Day would feel like today,

18:43

some of them it was their first game

18:45

in Goodison Park in a Derby, the

18:48

chances you know that he talked about of course in

18:51

front of goal you're expecting your

18:53

players in this type of game to

18:55

put those chances away because you're not going to be

18:58

getting loads of chances and then he talked about the

19:00

fight and sort of conceded the fight again in a

19:02

game like this. You know these two

19:04

guys to the left and right of me they've

19:07

represented these clubs and are fans of the

19:09

clubs and they understand what it takes and

19:11

I think sometimes as a

19:13

player you have to put

19:15

yourself in not just the

19:17

club shoes but in the fan shoes

19:19

and understand like okay I'm playing for

19:21

myself for the team to win a

19:23

title to fight against relegation but also

19:26

it's a pride thing it's like let's

19:28

not get out four today you

19:30

know that's rule number one let's not

19:32

get out four today and I think in

19:35

the end when you hear the captain conceding that

19:37

you know yeah we got out four today I

19:39

think it's not a nice thing to see but

19:42

in the end you know they'll lick their

19:44

wounds they've got more games to go the end of the

19:46

season there's a lot of football to be playing four or

19:48

five games left to be played but yeah

19:50

it's not looking like they're going to win

19:52

the Premier League now. I think a worrying

19:54

thing there is and I think it's happened

19:57

a lot throughout the season as well as

19:59

Vanjos said he's the captain, he's saying

20:01

about Liverpool getting out 4 but again we're

20:03

hearing about 12-30 kick-offs after

20:05

he's just lost to Darby. Now

20:08

he should be wanting, and that Liverpool team should be wanting

20:10

to be on the pitch tomorrow morning

20:12

to get the next game going because when you

20:14

lose a game, especially a Darby game, you want

20:16

the next game to come quick and again, they've

20:19

had it so many times this season with Liverpool

20:21

about 12-30 kick-offs. Tell

20:23

them with it, that's part of your job, tell them

20:25

with it and you should be ready to lose

20:27

his place. There were other issues

20:29

that he raised and one of them was giving

20:31

away silly free kicks and

20:33

that was something that you picked up

20:36

right from the get-go Jamie. Yeah,

20:38

you just, and listen, having a belief in set-piece,

20:40

Tarkovsky for me is the best in the league, he's

20:43

actually branched me to get his head on that first

20:45

one but the

20:47

challenge is Liverpool wearing a glass of nothing dealing

20:49

with it, having a high score of every set-piece

20:52

and Canati then just, I mean Canati's been so poor lately,

20:54

I mean really poor, they were going to need to buy

20:57

a centre back in the summer but I mean we looked

20:59

at it, it was a tight-off side but it was obviously,

21:01

he looked at it and it was just on the side

21:03

but he did a

21:05

job on Van Dijk in basically saying if

21:07

he doesn't head the ball, we block him,

21:09

we're going to have a joy against the

21:11

other players and you keep it alive, have

21:13

it in credit to the get-boggies there and

21:16

they'll stay by and say Canati and they

21:18

finish but it's been coming from that situation

21:20

and you can talk about, I

21:24

think it's the easiest after the Derby

21:27

game, whoever loses it, because there's so

21:29

much emotion involved, the easy thing

21:31

to say is, yeah you

21:34

can see it on the side, yeah,

21:38

I think the easy thing after the Derby game whether Edmond

21:40

win or Liverpool win is to say,

21:42

the other one didn't win because you

21:44

get emotion, now I go back

21:46

to when I played myself, now you could

21:48

say, Liverpool didn't fancy it today but

21:51

in terms of like maybe at times being too

21:53

intense or too aggressive in free play and giving

21:56

fouls away, now that's not using your brain, the

21:58

reason is that I'm not using The reason why

22:00

we had probably decent success against everything nobody

22:02

used, because I think we probably were a

22:04

little bit cooler at times.

22:06

Not always. Not always. Did

22:09

you? No, but I mean, everything, normally

22:11

you get a man sent off. You

22:13

know what I mean? Especially here, the crowd, you get up. And

22:16

I just think sometimes, yeah, when the ball comes in the

22:18

box, you've got to win your headers on the set pieces.

22:20

But what was going on in the middle of the pitch?

22:22

I'm not talking about bad files by Liverpool. But

22:24

stupid files, silly things, just running into the

22:26

back of people and letting everything put the

22:28

ball in the box. And everything set piecewise, it

22:30

was good as anybody in the country. So it's

22:33

an easy thing when your emotions of the set, Liverpool

22:36

didn't want it tonight. But they didn't actually just use

22:38

the brains enough in that game, certainly the first half,

22:40

like half an hour, and just keep the ball and

22:42

take the sting out of the game. You know what

22:44

I'm going to say, as well, is when

22:47

we talk about them not wanting it enough, I don't

22:49

think it's that they didn't want it enough. I

22:52

think it's just that they didn't perform to

22:54

the level that we all expect of them.

22:57

I don't think it's like, oh, yeah, we've come

22:59

here today and, oh, yeah, we

23:01

just didn't want to win. Of course they wanted to win. They've

23:03

gone for the title. But clearly, I

23:06

think something was missing tonight. It

23:08

just didn't quite feel

23:10

like the kind of performance that you would

23:12

have expected today. I think that's

23:14

where you've got to give Sean Diceler a credit as well, because

23:17

Everton tactically, they set up and they knew they went on

23:19

after the ball and they set up, they made it difficult.

23:22

I've not seen a Liverpool team run out of

23:24

ideas the way they did today. So many

23:26

street balls, state into Tarkowski to Brent Wade.

23:28

And Liverpool just didn't know what to do.

23:30

They couldn't find a way to leave sides

23:32

go random. They pulled a few crosses in

23:34

the box later on, which Everton dealt with.

23:37

And they completely looked lost out there, which

23:39

is very rare from Liverpool team. And on the

23:41

flip side, they were undone again by another

23:44

free kick from Everton. Another set piece, rather,

23:46

from Everton. Yeah, and Everton,

23:48

throughout the season, they delivered the ball

23:50

to the back post and

23:53

they make it difficult for you. And you've got so many big

23:55

players and it's a great leap. Great, I thought, what

23:57

I said before, the impact on Munich is... When

24:00

he's on it, he's getting above people and he's using

24:02

his body and he's using his speed, running behind, he's

24:04

a very difficult player to mark and I thought we'd

24:06

see him. We've seen that today and I was delighted

24:08

for him to get his goal and obviously the winning

24:11

goal as well. I

24:14

mean, it's a complete three

24:16

header and I'm

24:20

not the best person to talk about this as a

24:22

striker but for me, if I'm the striker in this

24:24

instance, I wasn't the best at heading the ball but

24:26

to have a three header in the box is

24:29

a beautiful thing for a striker.

24:33

Sorry, I don't want to interrupt you.

24:36

Everything does a job on Van Dijk

24:38

tonight and it's easy to say, oh

24:40

we've got a bit of joy and

24:42

he got blocked off there and blocked

24:44

off there. That man takes

24:46

that much responsibility on almost every set

24:48

piece. Where are the

24:50

others? It can always be about Van Dijk.

24:52

If you've got the opposition blocking you to

24:55

stop you winning defensive heads, it shows how dominant

24:57

you are. You need more help, people have got

24:59

to be more aggressive. So you look at the

25:01

rest of the back post, you know, it's turned

25:03

to the back post there. We've seen Canata on

25:06

the first go, you need more people and you've

25:08

actually taken that responsibility not just leaving it to

25:10

basically, you know, the captain, Vergavan, Dijk, the colossus

25:12

of the back. You need more help there at

25:14

the back and you never got it today

25:16

on the set pieces. What about sharing the

25:18

responsibility with the forwards as well because there

25:20

were plenty of chances for Liverpool in that

25:22

game but not taken? Yeah,

25:26

I mean, there's a lot of

25:28

moments within this game where it's

25:30

actually unbelievable passed by Trent by

25:32

the way and Saner

25:34

obviously tries to guide this across but when you're talking

25:37

about those fine margins

25:39

today, it's

25:41

the clinical elements of the

25:43

game that you talk about. In these games you

25:45

need to be taking these opportunities when they come

25:47

to you because when

25:50

you're a player who's playing for a big club, sometimes

25:52

you don't get a load of chances. You

25:54

might get one or two and you've got

25:56

to take them and today, look, Darwin's finishing

25:58

is probably the best. In Dallas today

26:01

is he's. One of

26:03

those players way causes a lot of

26:05

problems for his four defenders for today

26:07

just was a clinical obviously against the

26:10

as here same saw a thing. I

26:13

just think the were there weren't at

26:15

their best today and for whatever reason

26:17

I don't or com from a finger

26:19

on it but it just seems as

26:21

if they were lacking that that age

26:24

that that you need to take you

26:26

over over in onto the next level.

26:28

Today's just didn't seem like it was

26:30

that movie. Is not to send today solidify

26:32

in terms of have not been able to sense

26:34

of her chances. Now the. Most

26:37

solid as limits whose goal scored on he's gone off

26:39

the boil. And what's got soon

26:41

as I think it's it's sort of like some

26:43

uses a little bit more because of semi formal

26:45

verge of on five may be at the Boston

26:47

or the people for the most I was goes.

26:51

Own. Sake or the people to school when

26:53

you have sort of mean or my that

26:55

was a from three for think we've seen

26:57

here and I would seems the as Nunez

26:59

sally you probably cost stuff as Liverpool from

27:01

three. Feel. Design

27:03

as clinical is what we've seen before of

27:05

simply more solas and. I

27:09

think that is a real discussion with a new

27:11

manager common in. What the

27:13

future holds the source a more sala A

27:15

at Liverpool right now for me to say

27:17

something bus that question usually go to years

27:19

ago on his feel. I.

27:22

Think I'm at the stage now with new as well

27:25

as all things that is a question to ask. I

27:27

think of the to use of the club and I

27:29

for been guilty of this. You

27:31

want to do well so much as the

27:34

so much of what yellow eyes because he

27:36

gives every sunday Bluesy causes trouble he gets

27:38

Nord Gold Coast assist. Prostitute.

27:41

He is now when when Liverpool and the see the

27:43

going for the title. And. Those big

27:45

games any your months of school or

27:47

vital suffers away for the sun in

27:50

the European game Atla a silencer. There's

27:52

no time to waste this in October,

27:54

November. This is the business and that

27:56

the type of an I don't to

27:58

just unnecessary. Do

28:01

you not question the timing of it

28:03

getting released like Klopp leaving the club? Because

28:06

I think over the last few weeks or a couple of

28:08

months, I think everyone's saying all the fairytale

28:10

ending and all stuff like that, but the minute goes

28:12

wrong, I think you have to look at that time

28:15

because... Do you think that's got

28:17

something to do with Nunes' finishing? No, but I think with

28:19

Nunes, maybe with Salah, Van

28:22

Dijk as well, these players now are looking,

28:24

Klopp's so popular, even as a fan, I

28:27

really like Jürgen Klopp, but within

28:29

leaving the club in their heads, they'll

28:31

be thinking, what's this is my future old? Am I

28:33

still going to be a Liverpool player? Do I want

28:35

to be a Liverpool player? I think that's a something

28:37

which... Yeah, listen, there might be something in that. There

28:40

might be something in that, but in terms of Nunes and where

28:42

the club go forward now, I think

28:45

after two years, I think

28:47

we've all been in squads, as someone comes and we

28:49

talk about maybe the first year where you say, okay,

28:51

he's getting up to speed with it, he's improving, he's

28:53

getting better, and it looked like he was at the

28:55

start of the season and it's just, it's ground to

28:57

a halt and you're looking at it now

28:59

and I just, after two years, I don't think there's

29:01

going to be a massive improvement in him after

29:04

the two years. I think what we've seen in the two years, that

29:06

is what he is. He can cause trouble, he

29:08

can be erratic with his finish, it's not going to improve, and

29:11

I don't think it's going to be enough to win

29:13

yet the biggest trophy, so I think there's a big

29:15

decision to be made on him in the summer. For

29:17

me, I think it's... Yes,

29:21

the finishing, we can talk about that. I

29:24

think, can he play on the left?

29:26

I think yes, he can play on the left. Now

29:29

Izzy, if you're saying in a

29:32

system, in a 4-3-3 system, you talk about you've

29:34

got goalscoring wingers or you've got a goalscoring number

29:36

nine, typically it's one or the other, I think

29:38

in this particular team, you've got

29:41

a goalscoring winger in Salah, you've got Diaz

29:43

who's kind of half and half, and you've

29:45

got Nunez who's kind of half and half.

29:48

Liverpool, when it was successful, had a

29:50

goalscorer in Sadiamane, had a goalscorer in

29:52

Mohamed Salah, and the number nine for Mino

29:55

would pitch him with assists and he'd get

29:57

his goals. Now, There's no continuity in terms

29:59

of who's scoring. The news and is this

30:01

the relying on Salah when sellers not scoring

30:03

yacht or is not fix unfortunately and he's

30:05

the one who provides the goes. So in

30:07

a in a way it's like the new

30:09

manager comes into the football clubs than us

30:11

to figure out a way in which to

30:13

make these players gel is these players aren't

30:15

the players who he feels he can show

30:17

than is gonna have to make a big

30:19

decision and of course we can talk about

30:21

new his his finishing he's gonna improve for

30:23

he needs to be for you you have

30:25

a since I'm from sigma to the best

30:27

finish with will be seen in the premier

30:29

league. How

30:32

how easy to improve finish and I

30:34

mean wouldn't watch them now for that

30:36

two seasons. Is that possible to improve

30:38

your local specialties? was a few goldfish

30:40

or that the size of the season

30:42

at times less easier as recently as

30:44

a bonus days isn't this process repetition

30:47

and same? It's almost as it's a

30:49

new blame he brainless and one wanted

30:51

a nice. Eddie's insane and it is.

30:53

It becomes more muscle Nikki pretty soon.

30:55

before we spoke about. Players.

30:57

As the on the census in the

30:59

seasons for twenty five that those season

31:02

shots ago of yours a number on.

31:04

Your finishing to be some success for

31:06

that. His own

31:08

sonos you know said the student body think

31:10

that's enough to the know you don't win

31:13

or or numbers of that series were inspired

31:15

Siamese with sports science little consensus to finish.

31:17

have seen have been involved in the to

31:19

get into place and the some we salford.

31:22

As a lot of long fucks of finish

31:24

him see tests whatever it was now as

31:26

soon as the set evidence monitors it's of

31:28

even as soon as this us who finishes

31:30

his get in me will get offices if

31:32

i want to think changed from the game

31:34

if i wanted to improve i us to

31:36

do things in moans in places where i.

31:38

Do. My thing I'm gonna do a step over in

31:41

this corner of the six or what's going to my

31:43

right foot and trying to score in the far corner

31:45

and when a full mannequins in the corner with the

31:47

goal and when asked for the young lad as the

31:49

goalkeeper and I'm going to do things are much space

31:52

and it mildly point five seven and they might for

31:54

a limit both when you're on the edge of the

31:56

box and you got the the colts that set a

31:58

goal or one of the last. An opinion good

32:00

at it Must take a tough time. Faults

32:02

lads. this and you know what it's like.

32:04

If you've been there, do not mean that's

32:06

not how you improve on being totally honest

32:09

to us to do things up much. Temple.

32:11

Maybe less than what you would do concept

32:13

for an hour doing things that much. Temple

32:15

books five or seven shots or much tempo.

32:17

doing that every single day. I think you

32:19

will improve, but you've got to. Do

32:21

it that way. You can't be a million

32:23

around and joking and fans have a nice

32:26

enough is not gonna happen. You

32:30

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And I had one. who. madness

32:51

I saw me at Goodison Park

32:53

said been medical by two thousand

32:55

and. Ten. It. Had

33:00

just how big read this could be

33:02

in your season and for what you're

33:04

trying to achieve so far, so good

33:07

to attitude. Every place

33:09

without the reaction we we spoke about

33:11

reaction. We got one son by a

33:13

similar but different kind of game in

33:15

the sensor organization, the belief in the

33:17

organization that commitment the damage of the

33:19

side of them. We phone call moments

33:21

and with that I can you know

33:23

I think they you know that are

33:25

a good sorry no doc I'm still

33:28

try some relationships you know. That

33:30

that the the commitment to during these be ugly

33:33

side of the games. I could have to be

33:35

that the shape of the saw the energy of

33:37

the side and also finding the key moments which

33:39

we did not mind is an important factor Particular

33:42

Gunpowder. He forced them into making

33:44

so many mistakes tonight, which was unusual from

33:46

their part that the benefit from that at

33:48

Gerrard gone and and and Dominic call that

33:50

soon as one. It's been such as a

33:52

till season for him, what with injuries and

33:54

and setbacks and everything else, but he really

33:57

proved to be ever since. Number. Nine others

33:59

are some. and tonight he's a

34:01

lot of noise running, we've been trying to help with that

34:03

and getting back to where he needs to be and I

34:06

think he showed it tonight. I know

34:08

there's that performance in there and I thought tonight he was

34:10

absolutely outstanding. Amongst a number of other people

34:12

there's many people tonight but I thought he was outstanding and

34:14

gets a goal and nearly nicks one on the line. I

34:16

love that. No I love that. I love that. I think

34:18

that's when he's at

34:22

his best, when he's trying that energy to

34:24

find that goal. He took it if he got

34:26

his toe on it and the second one's a great

34:28

header but no I thought he was outstanding tonight.

34:31

A word on Jordan Pickford as well because he just

34:33

matched everything that was thrown at him by Liverpool. Yeah

34:35

I think especially first off he made a couple of big

34:37

saves. It's rare that you're

34:39

going to stop him from having some chances so you're

34:41

going to have to do that after moments yourself when

34:43

you defend properly or you get big blocks on which

34:45

I thought the team did and he made a couple

34:47

of big saves and important saves so fair play to

34:49

him but like I said there were so many, it's

34:51

hard to just pick out one or two because there

34:53

were so many other outstanding people I thought Gannon was

34:55

excellent again. Doing all the ugly stuff,

34:57

all the hard stuff in the centre half again. Young

35:00

E-Haphan's going at left back, that's an awkward one at

35:02

half time and we'll find out as Nico how quickly

35:04

that settles. Ben coming in to the side.

35:07

These are awkward decisions they've managed but when they

35:09

pay you back and when the players perform that

35:11

it's very pleasing. Thank God for you

35:13

he made a brilliant goal line clearance but it's

35:15

on Vitaliy Micalenko as well. The fact that he

35:17

managed to finish the first half which when

35:20

he went down it looked like to be

35:22

a really nasty injury. We spoke about the desire,

35:24

of course it's tactical

35:26

and technical but what about the desire, the energy at

35:28

the same, what about the physical side of the game?

35:30

They'll have to put in a real shift and they

35:32

did on Sunday, they did again tonight and we've got

35:34

a big result and we're going to have to do

35:37

it again on Saturday. I said let's go again then,

35:39

let's not just settle, let's go again. That'll be the

35:41

challenge now, can we go again? What about

35:43

you, you seem to live every single moment kick

35:45

every ball out there. Some managers stay

35:47

calm and say I like to be involved. You

35:51

try and give an authentic performance of your own

35:53

if you like and that's it, that's me trying

35:55

to do my bit for the side when I

35:58

can. It's not easy, it's very frustrating. times,

36:00

very challenging at times but equally

36:02

it's very enjoyable when we get results like that.

36:04

Really enjoyable as well, the atmosphere it was

36:07

your first as we mentioned before the game,

36:09

your first Mosey side Derby at Goodison Park

36:11

you couldn't have asked for the crowd to

36:13

be any better, they actually stopped

36:16

out there already? Yeah I mean heavy

36:18

questions over myself and the side and

36:20

everything about it and we

36:22

stayed focused on that and I asked could they stay

36:24

with us, you know stay connected to us, give us

36:26

your lot we'll give it back and I think we

36:28

have, I think Sunday was excellent from the crowd and

36:30

what we gave them and it was again tonight in

36:32

a massively important Derby game you know my

36:35

first time as you saw I think the second one

36:37

in 30 games so that proves oh it's been difficult

36:39

but I'm pleased for so many but particularly the

36:42

fans and particularly people like Seamus, Seamus got his

36:44

harness lever, he's buzzing off

36:46

that you know that's important he's a top pro and he means

36:48

a lot to this group and what he does and he should

36:50

do and he should go to the respect of

36:52

everyone here he certainly has of me, staff and all the

36:54

players here and I'm sure the fans. When

36:56

you look at the league table does it make it easy

36:58

a little bit more comfortable you haven't got that much more

37:00

to do? I said it's a challenge for me you know

37:03

we should be on 41 points and the story is different.

37:05

It's not but we're making it different. We're

37:08

taking control of the situation, south of the star of

37:10

the team we're actually gripping the situation, say come on

37:12

then let's change the narrative, let's change the story and

37:15

I've just commanded them on that because it's not easy, it's

37:17

not easy when the heat's coming your way how can

37:19

you push that back, stay calm and deliver performances and we've

37:22

done that. Have they got a day off tomorrow?

37:24

Nope. You

37:27

obviously got a busy game this weekend against Brentford

37:29

you could make it three out of three and

37:31

that would be nine points an incredible achievement this

37:34

week. Well I think the you know the

37:36

three home games three wins

37:38

three clean sheets before you know the one sandwich

37:40

around the Chelsea game. Can we

37:42

go and do that again that's the challenge you'll

37:44

just lay that down for the players we'll recover

37:46

properly tomorrow. I'll have a half a lager shandy

37:48

myself tomorrow I'll see and then we'll

37:50

have a smile on the face and then the next one comes around

37:52

and we take that one off. Just half? Possibly

37:55

two. Good stuff. Well done tonight.

37:57

Thank you. So

38:00

a pint then. He doesn't like to mention it,

38:02

but he was back in the track suit and

38:04

it seems to be working for him. It's two

38:06

wins from two. If he wears it again at

38:08

Brentford it could be three wins in three. But

38:11

what he mentioned there was something you picked up

38:13

on earlier and he was

38:15

talking about the organisation first of all, but

38:17

then the individual ability of players within the

38:19

big moments of the game. Was that the

38:21

balance that they got absolutely right? Yeah,

38:23

I think you know you have to be organised against

38:26

the best teams in the league and for the

38:30

players, I thought some of the players were outstanding.

38:32

I thought Harrison, McNeil, maybe the players who don't

38:34

get the credit, James Garner, the work they're putting

38:36

in to

38:38

make sure they stay in the game. But

38:40

then they like to carve it through and

38:42

you have moments set pieces or counter-effects. You

38:44

have these moments in which you can go

38:46

and win the game and I

38:49

thought they got the balance really right tonight.

38:51

And what was interesting was that he talked about

38:54

the difficult moments that they've had as a team.

38:56

Him as a manager, the relationship with the crowd

38:58

at times and he's asked them to stay with

39:00

him and he said if you do that, you'll

39:02

get your award. He feels that tonight more than

39:04

delivered on that. Do you think he's a good

39:06

fit for Everton long term? Yeah, I think Everton

39:10

went through a really difficult period,

39:13

for a couple of months really where they didn't

39:15

get results in. They had the points deduction and

39:18

the fans were getting frustrated with not getting results

39:20

in. And the fans

39:22

here, all they want to see is hard work.

39:24

They want to see hard work, dedication and playing

39:26

for the shirt. And you do that year deal

39:28

a sector. Sometimes you don't win

39:31

the game, you lose games. But I

39:33

think tonight they've shown a... They've got good

39:35

players as well. They've got some really good

39:37

players. This will give them

39:39

a lot of belief moving forward. I think Sean

39:42

Dicers has done a fantastic job because I

39:44

know first-hand it's not easy when you get points deduction.

39:46

So for him to

39:48

manage them players, manage the club the way he has

39:50

done and get them through the other side,

39:52

hopefully throughout the next year, two, three

39:55

years, we can start some stability. You

40:03

lost the league at Goodison Park, seeing

40:05

the Everton fans. It's not quite done

40:07

yet, but Liverpool are three points off

40:09

Arsenal with four games left to play.

40:12

There are points there of Manchester City

40:14

who have two games in hand over

40:16

Liverpool. Let's hear from Jurgen

40:18

Cox, who's the Juliet. Jurgen,

40:22

can you sum up your emotions right

40:25

now after that? I'm

40:30

very disappointed about a lot

40:32

of things. We

40:37

let it happen that it became exactly the

40:39

game Everton wanted. Two

40:43

goals from set-pieces, even when the first one

40:45

was a flipper thing.

40:50

It was after set-piece, there

40:53

they are, really strong. We

40:56

created a lot and didn't

40:59

score. I think that would

41:01

have been possible in the first half, and

41:03

in second half emotions, we're in a rush,

41:05

not really clear enough. I

41:11

don't know, consider the second goal with the routine they

41:13

do the whole season, we knew exactly the ball would

41:16

end up there, we just didn't defend it well enough.

41:19

So, second goal, yeah, and then just

41:22

in a rush, and they got

41:24

everything in their direction, but they're fine.

41:29

They had free kick after free kick, we had the

41:32

ball, they got the free kick, that's one part

41:34

of the story as well. But we

41:36

were not good enough, that's what we have to admit. There

41:40

seemed to be a lot of mistakes out

41:42

there from your team, and you

41:45

spoke in this season about not

41:47

recognising some performances, with the emotion

41:49

intensity that goes into a Mersey

41:51

side derby, was that a performance

41:53

that you didn't

41:56

think was going to happen? Of

41:59

course not, I didn't expect that. but it

42:01

happened anyway. Obviously,

42:06

it's not the greatest moment we are in, and

42:09

we still have to play football games, you have

42:11

to fight through, you have to use your moments

42:14

to get the momentum back if you want. We

42:18

had a bit of that after the Fulham

42:20

game, but then it started with the

42:23

two strikers in a good moment, one is injured,

42:25

the other one is now a father. That's

42:30

not helpful, it means we cannot really

42:32

change up front. From

42:39

a specific moment on how we put them under pressure

42:41

was exactly the way we should have done it, pretty

42:44

much all the time, is that possible? I

42:47

don't know. But the game was always

42:49

interrupted by free kicks for them, and

42:51

from wherever it goes, it's

42:53

tricky to defend. They really

42:56

throw everything into these situations, and we

42:59

couldn't deal with that. Talking

43:02

to Virgil van Dijk, I asked

43:04

him, in the end, did you

43:06

just simply run out of ideas?

43:09

That's how it is, it's not the first time in

43:11

a football game, what can you do, you don't play

43:14

your best football when you're two-nailed down against

43:17

passionate fighting opponents.

43:21

We tried a little bit here and there, but

43:23

it was just not easy, I

43:25

thought Harvey came on

43:27

and had an impact directly, that

43:29

got a bit lesser than again,

43:32

with a few moments later. But

43:35

in our side we tried, but in

43:38

the end it's not good enough, so you can explain it, and if

43:40

you win you have 500 reasons, and

43:46

when you lose it's just not good

43:48

enough, that's how it is. For

43:51

what reason, the goals, because

43:53

we're set pieces, it's a

43:55

part of the game obviously, but besides that has nothing

43:58

to do with the game and the ball around. We

44:03

all know there were situations when we

44:05

promised a shot at Pickford, that in

44:07

these situations all kicked the ball over

44:09

the goal and stuff like this, so

44:11

there were good moments to turn the

44:14

game around and don't use them, that

44:16

then makes it really tricky. I

44:19

know you always stick together and you always believe

44:21

in each other, and you've always said in this

44:23

period that you're in, that you'll see what happens

44:25

at the end of the season, but do you

44:28

consider yourself still to be in the

44:30

challenge for the title right now? I

44:33

must have them a lot, and

44:35

they must come in a very

44:38

bad moment. Actually, that didn't look

44:40

yesterday like that. I

44:43

don't know, I can only apologise for today to

44:45

the people, everybody

44:48

who's with us knows how hard

44:51

it is for us as well, but I know it's one of

44:53

the people especially hard, so we should have done

44:55

better, we didn't, and that's why we lost. Thank

44:58

you, be it, Daniel. Clearly

45:01

disappointed, Jurgen Klopp. Understandably disappointed, Jurgen

45:03

Klopp. You know him, Daniel, you've

45:05

played under him. What did you

45:08

take from that interview? Just

45:10

really disappointed. You could just see that he

45:13

was deflated.

45:16

He seemed as if he... He

45:19

just seemed as if he analysed

45:23

the performance now, you know,

45:26

being in it. He probably feels like

45:28

the players let

45:30

themselves down maybe, with

45:33

how big the game was for them. You

45:36

know, we talked about the set piece, that they knew

45:38

about the set piece, and they've been running that set

45:41

piece, and they managed to still score from the set

45:43

piece, so we prepared them for those

45:45

moments, and I think they happened even though

45:47

they prepared for them. And

45:49

I think sometimes when that happens, that's when you are

45:51

really disappointed, I'm sure, when you would say as a

45:53

coach, when you Set your team up

45:55

to be in a particular style, and then, hey, we

45:57

want to stop this, We want To stop this. then

46:00

when you see it comes to like you think

46:02

in floods you prepare for that earnest with and

46:04

eleven o'clock such a cell phone services so he

46:06

him prepared as much as you want and you

46:09

can set the table pin in open play or

46:11

says he says he can set of years you

46:13

players or for. You. Know you

46:15

any the been look as well. I'm

46:17

at all have rarely with very strong

46:19

ties to peace and love to come

46:21

homeless as much the only sullivan in

46:24

preparation the uncle's house he doesn't go

46:26

cover blue and to come off against

46:28

said little defenders and so as much

46:30

as you on board until he as

46:32

you go into the game is it's

46:34

a lot different here. He says

46:36

he hasn't cloth. a lot needs to

46:38

happen in Odessa son of a full

46:40

to win the title cel technically possible

46:42

it's looking extremely unlikely now any Manchester

46:44

City of us a chance to go

46:46

above Liverpool to move on set set

46:48

to seventy six points as they get

46:50

the win against Frightened tomorrow night and

46:52

then we're heading into that says weekend

46:55

with will pay. They're looking at at

46:57

Arsenal and Manchester City who have lost

46:59

many games between them this season and

47:01

they're looking at them to to drop

47:03

points a state of the season why

47:05

they both. That extremely success. Yeah,

47:08

I mean it's not just the point

47:10

is, the former Liverpool didn't. Really

47:13

undies dropped ten points in the last seven games

47:15

his own. The author the man says here. And year

47:17

and this as months secede on

47:20

a different levels of policies i

47:22

think arsenal of useless the item

47:24

liverpool wealth and I think this

47:27

season. I

47:29

think probably analysts say six weeks and it you

47:31

just need syllables is hop See going for the

47:33

title? For Liverpool point

47:35

of view it's it's almost been a home

47:38

run and the police as I don't feel

47:40

certainly this season up from says of all

47:42

the said now have been walks in a

47:44

title wouldn't see and in some ways I

47:46

think the vastly over the chief this team.

47:50

Because that's where she thinks the that good.

47:52

And it'll it'll As a criticism, I think

47:54

it's a brilliantly wealth because it's crops last

47:57

season. it almost feel like you've gotta do

47:59

this this. This be able a proper

48:01

staying for like another to see his. This

48:03

will be seen as a three building block

48:05

to then go on. Really So I think

48:08

one of two of them the season The

48:10

last four games of us forty four in

48:12

the Premier league Sweden the one and two

48:15

said the last July looks like the tide

48:17

titles What? I'm finding that our to be

48:19

too critical because I think the scene of

48:21

the quality the place of people were performed

48:24

in some ways this season and the just

48:26

not quite gotten off and it's not about

48:28

not what is a or. The money and

48:30

ice again with this is just when it comes to

48:32

the crumbs. he just did a little bit. Short. Sense

48:35

of anti the way he he describes it was

48:37

we're we weren't expecting people didn't expect as at

48:39

the start the season to be in the title

48:42

race. this lay into full season but having been

48:44

given the opportunity we've we've not taken it yet

48:46

the night particularly for all the person and and

48:48

palestine so it's not a of course. And I

48:50

want to speak about the scene and we

48:52

know the managers seen in in the summer.

48:55

I actually think there might be a little

48:57

bit more chains the more people things and

48:59

same as a personnel. Him

49:01

in terms of players, yeah I do is not a

49:04

city. Manager just thinks of the the people call

49:06

him back to the club my fled to

49:08

is they who they left half through it

49:10

all clubs time and i think they can

49:12

have a real big same goes on of

49:14

the club and and boss maybe happens in

49:16

the transfer window things that us to the

49:18

season they've not been there has been more

49:20

in the hands of yoga for from path

49:22

linda's I could see some of those players

49:24

may be moving on a fatal think that

49:26

officer and the be a lot more ruthless

49:28

subtle also before of of the time and

49:30

have club leaving nothing on your know how

49:32

the game as players who. Will

49:34

look with other unseat others their way of of

49:36

the announced as well. Okay when madonna that they'll

49:39

be speaking to the clubs of Reno the happened

49:41

and so maybe the boxing class of don't Mobile

49:43

could use them to see left in my squat

49:45

lethality much about them discussions will have to and

49:47

then you know for Michael hold the so he

49:49

has to analysis and so I'm not saying this.

49:51

it's his fault, I'm saying just the time and

49:54

thus the mouse or think I will have definitely

49:56

have been assessed on some of them players. But

49:58

equally see if he saw that. are changes afoot

50:01

in terms of the squad itself. You

50:04

know you've played under a manager who was absolutely

50:06

ruthless in Sir Alex Ferguson in terms of building

50:10

title-winning sides and successive title-winning sides.

50:12

There's no room for sentiment.

50:15

I think Jürgen Klopp is almost like a

50:17

father to a lot

50:19

of them players. For them players now

50:22

to go from Jürgen Klopp, whoever the next manager

50:24

may be, it's going to be completely different. It's

50:26

not going to be the same

50:29

as under Jürgen Klopp. So I think players

50:31

will find that difficult. We see

50:33

it throughout the football works and cycles

50:35

and you see managers come and go. He's been there for

50:37

quite a long time now and I think

50:39

some of them players will want a new challenge and I do

50:42

believe Liverpool over the next two or three years will be in

50:44

a transition phase. Yeah, it's going to

50:46

be very interesting to see the challenges ahead

50:48

for whoever the new manager is and at

50:50

the moment there are strong reports that are

50:53

linking Liverpool with on a slot from Fiannaud.

50:56

But there are different factions of players within there.

50:58

There are the senior players who have played under

51:00

him for a large part of his time as

51:02

Liverpool manager who did win the title with him.

51:04

Then there are the young players who have made

51:06

their debuts this season, who have been brought through

51:08

under him and as Wayne said, see him as

51:10

this father figure. And then there are the players

51:12

that are maybe coming towards

51:15

the end of their time at Liverpool and might be starting

51:17

to look away because they see this

51:19

as a part of the season, sorry a

51:21

point in their careers where there's a natural break

51:23

and they choose to move on. There's a whole

51:25

host of issues to be solved here. There

51:28

is and I think Michael Edwards

51:31

and the people who are in the

51:33

backroom team, they had

51:36

done an incredible job making shrewd

51:38

signings over the years, getting

51:40

players at fantastic prices, selling players

51:42

at fantastic prices and I

51:45

think they know what they

51:47

need to do because they've done it before.

51:49

So I don't doubt their ability in finding

51:52

the right

51:54

coach and signing the right

51:56

players and allowing the right players

51:58

to leave. because they

52:00

believe they can replace them. Now of

52:03

course there's been some players who

52:05

have left the football club and quite

52:08

haven't really been replaced like for like like

52:10

Asad Jamane for being realistic. I don't think

52:12

he has been replaced

52:14

but I do believe that

52:17

they know what they need to

52:19

do. I think they're probably already been

52:21

looking at the players, they've probably been

52:23

analysing which coach. Maybe they knew before

52:25

everybody else knew that Jürgen was going

52:27

and that you know they've probably been

52:29

looking at which coach and which philosophy

52:31

suits Liverpool's style and I think when

52:33

they brought Jürgen in he was the

52:35

perfect man for the job because of

52:37

how it was at Dortmund, the fan

52:39

base there and his personality

52:41

was so perfect for Liverpool

52:44

but now it's very

52:46

hard to replace that kind of personality and

52:48

that kind of man. So it's

52:50

going to be a it's going to be

52:52

a challenging time. We're talking about the personality

52:54

of Klopp, you're not going to

52:57

replace that. The actual thing with

52:59

Jürgen Klopp actually, I don't actually think this Liverpool team have

53:01

won enough or actually how good the

53:03

team have been. So with

53:06

Jürgen, we know the journey, not

53:08

the actual destination at times, the actual journey

53:10

of getting and obviously come close in the

53:12

titles of European Cup finals but the journey

53:14

and the excitement and the nights and that

53:17

feeling of what he did Liverpool suppose is that he

53:19

was taking you on a journey. Now

53:21

I know when you look at data

53:23

analytics Liverpool could arguably be you know

53:26

have the best people around, Michael Edwards

53:28

and his team but

53:31

Liverpool need more than just a

53:33

coach who passes the

53:35

data skill set. Liverpool

53:38

supporters need someone who believe they're going

53:40

to take them on a journey and

53:43

get them to the top and Liverpool's

53:45

supportive relationship with managers I think is

53:47

probably different to any other top club

53:49

in this country where you

53:52

know that you've had Jürgen Klopp, he goes back to

53:54

Bill Shankly, Benitez had it for a time, Houlié had

53:56

it for a couple of years as well where it's

53:58

like he's our guy. It's not just enough

54:01

to have a coach or a top coach. Any

54:03

coach coming in, I don't know if it will

54:05

be a top coach. Liverpool are one of the

54:07

top teams in world football, so they'll expect a

54:09

top coach. That's the minimum requirement. But

54:11

that guy has to have something else.

54:14

An X factor, a personality. It doesn't have to

54:16

be exactly like Klopp. Robert Benitez wasn't

54:18

like Klopp, he was completely different. But there's

54:21

a pool, so he's got to buy into

54:23

something that this is our man. He's going

54:25

to take us somewhere because for Liverpool, when

54:27

they're successful, it's always about the

54:29

manager. Yeah? All the clues are

54:31

about the great players. Liverpool, it's about that

54:33

man. I just hope, obviously, the

54:36

people making the decision with Liverpool remember that. It's

54:38

not just about data and how

54:40

they play. That's a big part of the game,

54:42

massive. But that emotion of a

54:44

manager where you just look at him, you feel like

54:46

he... You get it there.

54:49

And that's what Liverpool have had with Jürgen Klopp, and that's what's going

54:51

to be difficult to replace. I think we'll be

54:53

talking a lot about what Liverpool do next over

54:55

the course of the next few weeks as we

54:57

get towards the end of the season. But how

55:00

does Liverpool make sure that Jürgen Klopp's last few

55:02

weeks as Liverpool manager don't end in a whimper?

55:04

What do they do now? Don't...

55:07

You just run for this man in these

55:09

last four or five games. No-one will say

55:11

the title's gone, but we all know the

55:13

teams they're competing against. So, right, this guy

55:15

and what he's done for so many careers

55:17

in that squad, you run and you don't

55:19

stop running. Your life depends on it. And

55:22

that's what you've got to do and give this

55:24

man a send-off and think whatever it will be,

55:26

how many times. He'll win if he loses another

55:28

game. His legacy's there. He's an absolute legend. He's

55:30

loved, obviously, by every Liverpool supporter. But the players

55:32

there think, OK, maybe the league title's gone. They

55:35

won't say that to each other, but

55:37

just run your heart out, not just for the club,

55:39

but for the manager between now and the end of

55:41

the season. Liverpool

55:43

in second place at the moment. They could

55:45

be in third by the end of tomorrow

55:48

night because Manchester City have one of their

55:50

games in hand to play. It's Brighton against

55:52

City. 7.30 for the

55:54

build-up on Sky Sports Premier League on

55:56

Saturday. Everton looking to make it nine

55:58

points from nine this week. They take on

56:01

Bradford, they're back at Goodison Park.

56:03

Five o'clock on Skyport's Premier League

56:05

on Super Sunday. It's the North

56:07

London Derby. Can Arsenal continue to

56:09

sit? Can Arsenal raise

56:11

all? Can Tottenham do whatever they've done

56:13

today and throw a spanner in the

56:15

work? One o'clock on Skyport's Premier League.

56:17

And then it's Nottingham Forest against Manchester

56:19

City as they look to get all

56:22

three points against the Forest out who

56:24

are looking to stay in the division.

56:28

Well, here at Goodison Park, thank you very much

56:30

to Wayne, to Daniel and to Jamie for your

56:32

company. Everton look like they've

56:35

made themselves all but safe. Liverpool's

56:37

title challenge is rocked, but the

56:39

Blues look like they're back on

56:41

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