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thing, I'll never let

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you go Welcome

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to the Sky Sports Football Podcast.

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Saturday Night Football this week came

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from Merseyside where Everton played Brentford.

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Here's how things sounded when the full-time

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whistle blew at Goodison Park. The

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top-ease will spend another

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top-right season. Sean

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Dyche has taken Everton

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to safety. There's

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a dresser guy with a winner

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on this occasion. They knew

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they only needed three more points to

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make sure they're playing the Premier League again and

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they did just that. There

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weren't too many attempts on

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target in a match but the first one on

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target for Everton was enough for them to find

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a way through. The

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top-ease will play in the

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top-right again. They've

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stayed up. There's nothing the bottom

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three can do about it.

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A few weeks ago they were worried

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but three wins at Goodison in

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a week have done enough. Jordan

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Pickford making big saves

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in the game to pick up

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his 12th clean sheet of this

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Premier League season. Quite the

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season for him. The rear

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guard playing

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their part in making

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sure that Everton don't

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go down. Brentford have

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done their business before

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this. He's on serve today,

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confirming their status as well

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for another season. But

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for Everton they

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will be in the Premier League

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again and even though the S final

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story of S the

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one as we've been hearing that keeps them

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in the premier league. They've done it earlier

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this season, last couple of seasons, it's

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gone down to the last week. This

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time around, they are constantly

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staying in the division and that's factoring in

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at that point production, two point

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productions that they've suffered this season.

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Still, thoughts on everything's campaign and the

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fact that now we know for definite

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their face. Well, first of all, relief

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isn't it? It's going to be another season of Premier League football.

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But you've got to take hats off,

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it's been an emotional, a massive week, three wins

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at any time in the season. It's

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huge, but to do it now and obviously promote

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your place in the best division of the world.

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Dwight MacNeil started to get on the ball, make

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things happen. And they obviously got the

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goal and they're very good at defending, they know

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their jobs, they work extremely hard. It was a

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really important three points for them. I didn't even

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know before they got the thing.

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You knew they'd find the win from somewhere, but

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the form that they've been in at late, it's

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still right. It's going to be fantastic. It's just

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a game for them. It's a fantastic

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goal to get those three points. One

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of the results that they've had coming into

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this game has just been incredible and the

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amount of confidence they must have, the momentum

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they have behind them, if they go

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through the game against both of them,

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it's not just wins. Importantly,

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again, rivals, local rivals and relegation

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rivals. Yeah, well, that was when you look for

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the fixtures and the calendar, you knew these games

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were going to mean a lot. You know,

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to go away and get beat six mil amongst those,

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you know, fantastic results. and

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this team are quite happy when they get a goal up.

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You know, they've kept a lot of clean sheets now. You

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know, Jordan made a fantastic save beginning the second half to

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keep it a nil. And I said

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the team's confident and, you know,

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Gudasun will be rocking tonight. OK,

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to clip it to Harrison. To

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Harrison. Rat boy. Day!

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A goal

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for Fatsha

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continues and Gudasun

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walks. He

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wins for Everton, keep them in

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the Premier League for another

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season. That's a team certainly in the

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spot in half against Brentford. They've held that

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one nil victory. They scored with their only

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shot on target, although they did hit the

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woodwork twice in that game. 26

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steps of the opponent's roster and

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is slightly less possessing than

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Brentford in that game. And

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it is their fourth set of home win with a clean

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sheet. About then they've done that since the end of the

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18-19 season. Don't

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talk off to a big part of those clean sheets. Obviously,

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they've also gone again with the goal that

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was the difference between the sides and they're

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both with Juliette Perry. James,

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wow, what a week. What a

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month at Gudasun Park. Yeah,

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it's been amazing, some fun around there. A

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week, Monday ago, I think it was. Probably

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the lowest part of our season and then to come back

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the way we have, free wins and derby win. And then

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to turn up again today, which I think today is the

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toughest game in the free just because the

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high of the other night today can come

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again at the weekend. We

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lost a few numbers again, so a

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short squad, but that turned up again and,

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yeah, incredible. A game of the week. Yeah,

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I was going to say, listening to you, you said it

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would be the highest game, I guess, from the adrenaline. And

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you were so pumped on Wednesday night to pick yourselves up

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and the energy that you needed to come through this 90

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minutes. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And fair play

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to the lads, but also the manager, because as I

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said, we're in a dark place and to turn around

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the way in that time, the lads have

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shown us. Our mission enjoy

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Also discusses how much it me to

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be sons. And what about a man?

6:06

How good is here in this way? Like the

6:08

driving force haven't you address the that's the Goal

6:10

against Nottingham Forest. The Goal Today part of the

6:12

team that beat Liverpool in midweek. The

6:15

toy my with Nothing for me just.

6:18

Good. Give me this. Goes. You

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tho those who swim nine the in the

6:23

best way and we tried to to have

6:25

the club to stay in the premier league

6:28

in my sweet voice but the or for

6:30

the have to keep doing keep going because

6:32

this level is the devil of the of

6:34

the of the club. he does have more

6:36

than this out the do more for for

6:39

the next season but cynicism is a in

6:41

the right way altogether and the yeah me

6:43

with the next season. He

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say you have to do more that cities

6:47

remaining three games. Can you enjoy it Now

6:49

neither you in the premier league for another

6:51

season. Yeah, we enjoyed the girls

6:53

who in three games in those in

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this week and the without conceding a

6:58

goal at Goodison this is a level

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we have to to have. Old oldest

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is an unfortunate is this is a

7:04

movie was a was is good for

7:06

us but we fight or together we

7:08

stay together and this is really really

7:10

important force. Times the tracks, he's

7:12

worked wonders. Assess their as

7:14

one of her show firms are important on a

7:16

swat team cause is not for me on the

7:18

on the her earrings about for real good organ

7:20

for boy for that went off in the home

7:23

with your opportunity and Albert the free games a

7:25

moment ago impulse or more points from the both

7:27

of us or striving for. And though he doesn't

7:29

like talking about itself, but he has been immensely cousin i.

7:32

Seriously, Austin could walk to Pretty much goes

7:34

well first of all but the were to

7:36

debts from this team is unbelievable from out

7:38

of work again because he walks into so

7:40

much work. The mike at i off

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and got a to get one on Thursday. From

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I hope so. C Serum, It

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was your mercy. I hope for.

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Well, I'll let you get back in that in the meantime

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if you could give it your supplier of the much fully

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deserved. A juvenile. it's

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and of unwanted sexual. Much better or

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price for murder. A grenade

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enough. Yes

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he goals in three for him. Now it

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had two goals and his previous ninety eight

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games set for Everton which is defense has

8:10

been an incredible week for him. It been

8:12

incredible week for everyone at Everton. They knew

8:14

this week with the three home games would

8:16

be huge sense or coffee with same that

8:18

he felt like this one with the the

8:21

most difficult let. It. Be hard to.

8:24

Argue in the sense of that that statement

8:26

in terms of that either the footballing levels

8:28

but can you understand why said it. Affects.

8:31

Was as the weeks of the week spilled milk

8:33

as well. Yeah you got the two wins on

8:35

this was. To. Finish the job, get the

8:37

icing on the cake and on puts a bed

8:39

and a possibility of play and and and in

8:41

the temperature next season so I can understand like

8:43

go into the game mentally would have been by

8:46

far the toughest a local Dalby. As

8:48

as hard as a game is physically

8:50

emotionally seizes case of up for a

8:52

relegation battle with the Abuja closest solve

8:54

opponents the week obviously before again would

8:57

have been easy. And I first bought

8:59

the first off as like a face off as a

9:01

little bit like a boxer much were there wasn't really

9:03

many of them are not and really how many was

9:05

brave A testimonial his. Second, off came.

9:07

I think as soon as tony other chances of.

9:09

Were. Woken up to open they were different about

9:12

same the second off. And who would have still

9:14

have the address? The Gonna Gay was gonna be

9:16

that the play with two key goals. Or less face

9:18

a whole and six. His you buy is now celebrity

9:20

that it to keep Everton and again. He said

9:22

you know it's not just a good always

9:25

could be still play here. You consider that

9:27

if this is a concert a pressure at

9:29

a time they were fucking on the door

9:31

that hit the crossbar was swipe. My new

9:33

usefulness of pressure was sides amount of at

9:35

set pieces they are a big size as

9:38

he Tarkovsky from play in a got plaza

9:40

could reduce expenses as the man as the

9:42

show is cause ago guy shows up for

9:44

it compose you hear a nice full that's

9:46

when the kicker on him now because as

9:49

a midfield player i think is a pool

9:51

as you could see. That we got visser

9:53

a knife in saudi youth to suppress who

9:55

for would send not really think him at

9:57

the moment. What's the worst case scenario? he's

9:59

apple com. They're probably think that

10:01

if we can win it back All Gabi.

10:03

I've read a page for interest such as

10:05

far as himself in follow in the pool

10:07

in and discuss and so was a lovely

10:09

position that bogus right out front and finishes

10:11

of of have A is a fantastic finisher

10:13

I think the i think there's nowhere else

10:15

you can put it he obviously shows big

10:17

not so much composer be less social bombers

10:19

to the ball i was lovely house and

10:21

avoid all the possible in the box once

10:23

like it's alive and just a simon on

10:25

the finish off if it of easy plus

10:27

the have already got blocked know what it

10:29

really. Suddenly thimble near the finish yourself unless

10:32

you study the and goalscoring are formed

10:34

A win win scenario. see the plan

10:36

we just let me see shows you

10:38

how difficult the finish is. Because.

10:40

You got. A class counterfeit as

10:42

high as Collins. I know god

10:44

yet said oh goodness is get so he's

10:47

got a small window to hit it in.

10:49

Just here you go. Keep it down as

10:51

a little peer pressure for the home fans

10:53

and can you do it? Absolutely. What a

10:55

finish with room price for me on school

10:57

I'd be doesn't scored one last week and

10:59

archenemy believe that because that's how is sometimes

11:01

you get the a conference. put it back

11:03

in a few in training this week and

11:05

of a sudden pigs is thought to happen

11:07

from south. Really good piece of pie Dick

11:09

a Cd Emotion from the from the pliers

11:11

and. Just.

11:13

Coms everything down now you're this size

11:15

as things that have gone differently to

11:17

she had it not as active of

11:19

the they deploy seduction deputy points of

11:21

tenth. You. Have to show you how will this

11:23

team is done and have had to struggle Universe A

11:25

We were san early one they had their best run

11:28

when they got the first point deduction and actually shows

11:30

the dogs he lot of characters in that same year

11:32

as go have been difficult and isthmus in out. some

11:34

points have been taken off some have been added solicit

11:36

you almost didn't have access to figure out exactly what's

11:38

going on with appointed option but it took me like

11:41

a different what were they. Always

11:43

spot for if you look is a successful season. Your

11:45

last season because we had before was lust. Dallas.

11:48

Game A Season. That. Was not nice place

11:50

to be an Albertsons on this season. Take

11:52

away the points on, the city still play a role. You.

11:54

Know the the points top of the would have. Proves.

11:57

that the go in and about direction and hopefully little

12:00

bit of stabilising for this club obviously

12:02

which is needed. And

12:04

it's been based on this really

12:06

strong defensive performance from Everton. It's

12:09

the third best defence in the

12:11

Premier League this season. I

12:13

think when you get on those roles, and as I

12:15

said before, when you're not scoring loads and loads of

12:17

goals, you have to keep clean sheets. You're obviously not

12:19

going to win games and there's a certain pride and

12:22

a certain element of satisfaction. I've

12:24

been there myself when we were obviously David Moyes' Everton.

12:26

We didn't have any money to buy many strikers so

12:28

we knew that we couldn't really give too many goals

12:30

up. So it's of similar ilk now

12:32

and you can see obviously Sean Dyce doing a

12:34

fantastic job with it. We can actually

12:36

see Sean Dyce himself because he's joining

12:39

us from Goodison. Sean, congratulations, thanks so

12:41

much for your time. Everton

12:43

are safe. You'll be in the Premier League

12:45

again next season. After the

12:47

season that you've had this time round,

12:50

how satisfying is it for you? Yeah,

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thanks. Hi everyone. Yeah, incredibly satisfying. You know, we've

12:55

had our knocks over the season. Various things have

12:58

happened. It's been hard to deal with at times

13:00

and hard to manage at times but trying

13:02

to find the calmest off the pitch and trying

13:05

to get the team working on the pitch is

13:07

a tricky balance. I think we've found

13:09

it overall and I think the players have a lot

13:11

of credit. I'm a staff as well. They've worked very

13:13

hard and the players have stayed in line with what

13:15

the challenge is and I think recently we had

13:17

to change things including my outfit which seems to have made

13:19

a lot of noise. It's currently worth that one out. But

13:22

anyways, the idea was

13:25

what could we look at changing? Well, what

13:27

we're looking on the training plan, sorry, the

13:29

organisational plan and putting that into the team

13:31

and they've accepted and they've accepted the challenge.

13:33

I think that the latter part of the season has

13:35

played us back from the early part of the season.

13:38

I said along with a lot of noise, we're not

13:40

doing this. We were playing really well. I thought we

13:42

were creating chances. I mean, really high level of chances

13:44

which everyone knows. The latter part,

13:46

we haven't done that as well but we've made sure

13:49

that we look after ourselves and that's an important factor

13:51

over a season's work. Sean, you'll

13:53

have your own thoughts on what the turning

13:55

points this season have been for the side,

13:57

but this week has been Huge. Really

14:00

important games against relegation rivals, against local

14:02

rivals and then this once it to

14:04

pick yourself up from all that most.

14:06

And for that the home game against

14:08

against Brentford. How pleased. I used to

14:10

come away from that with nine point.

14:14

The up in a job of on trusted

14:16

Roman you know we won against erm Bermuda

14:18

in an awkward guy muslims and agree but

14:20

as ugly guy won it was corrected to

14:22

win the game. we got that out a

14:24

way i'm an officer really ugly night for

14:26

as damage o sea but the response has

14:28

been fantastic from all involved an Animus albums

14:30

as well. Nice is difficult you know another

14:32

out a difficult time and I announced him

14:34

skate energies one the right direction and support

14:37

them I have them of was evident in

14:39

the forest games of course in the local

14:41

Darby which we we come through one and

14:43

then to thy. So does all hours when I

14:45

did stick with us and.of England flow. Well.

14:48

Zone A fella just say well don't First

14:50

and foremost the is not either jumped on

14:52

earth a few weeks they'll in the last

14:54

season is easy for Israel always and last

14:57

season was bizarre Years I have fallen along

14:59

the season the world because we've struggled to

15:01

keep up with obviously pointed auctions Game points

15:03

by can also send. obviously you have been

15:05

some money as the changing room. Amongst

15:08

that time because. You. Saw

15:10

donna was going on even even as we as than then

15:12

I would also have as he was in the only forty

15:14

somethings lot lot more so of the all our the way

15:16

I say couple of weeks now more same you'll. Let.

15:18

The boys up to me days off also your falsely as

15:21

a paddle boys and nice to see said but now and.

15:23

On I enjoy Premier league I am or will

15:25

I survivable public space for next season. He

15:28

I mean it's all seventy of games with.

15:30

I am a thirty to go somewhere. that's

15:32

what kind of season has been it feels

15:34

like.that's for sure. but the Plaza worked so

15:36

hard earned that will get you down dies

15:38

By I mean chargers been is been Obama

15:40

amount in for us. I think in a

15:43

jar of Age tolkien before the got Mandel

15:45

forgot about finishing it properly. were speaking in

15:47

the training ground about not mentality. I'm pleased

15:49

obviously. get it done first but I'm from

15:51

we gone again. Can we take the next

15:53

one of the next one the next one

15:55

and see where it's Axis of the Other

15:57

night? points by Can. have a son that's

15:59

the mentality been trying to build

16:01

him. People talk about styles, that's fine, it doesn't

16:03

really bother me, it's about winning. And I've said that

16:05

recently and that's the first thing I've always thought about,

16:07

how do I get this team to win? And they've

16:09

taken the challenge on and delivered. Sean

16:12

Jamie Rednett, well done mate, great win for you. I

16:15

mean first half was obviously the game

16:17

didn't really find any rhythm and second half, especially

16:19

after your efforts in mid-week, I thought you were

16:21

absolutely fantastic. You were the team with the impetus

16:23

and you got going and you looked

16:25

full of energy. I mean how difficult has it been the

16:27

last couple of days to make sure the boys are fit?

16:30

Yeah, no you're absolutely right. I mean we lost Dom

16:33

as well, we were a bit skinny in numbers and

16:35

we looked at the training program to get right. We

16:37

had him in the next day but then the next

16:39

day we literally did half an hour, almost nothing. I

16:42

was actually tactically, you know

16:44

I don't want to try and be clever about it but

16:46

I thought the beginning of the game might be a bit

16:48

lacking in energy for us I mean. So we went a

16:50

bit deeper and we went to the midfield three, almost like

16:52

a literal three to see how the game was beginning. And

16:56

then I thought we grew into it, we changed Duke higher

16:58

at the pitch and then I thought second half and you

17:00

know I was really really pleased, not just to win it

17:02

with a goal but I thought the control of the second

17:04

half, you know because they've done the same, they're playing with

17:06

freedom of course, good outfit

17:09

by what Thomas has done there. He's a person

17:11

I know quite well and he's done a great

17:13

job at. To bring that kind of mentality and

17:16

control the games that we've controlled recently, I think

17:18

it's really tough, look you certainly know it's tough

17:20

when the heat's on you to control them games

17:22

and to give the performances we have so I

17:24

couldn't be more proud of the players. And

17:26

you mentioned the goal, I know you are a top

17:28

coach but how have you turned Idrissa Gay

17:30

into a goal scoring machine mate, give us a little

17:33

flavour of what you've been working on with him. Yeah

17:36

of course, yeah 34 it's me, all about me, I

17:38

just worked with him every day and got that

17:41

new technical angle of

17:43

course but no he's been terrific you know

17:45

and him amongst many others, I mean look

17:47

there's so many local arrows at the moment

17:50

you know people have worked their bodies on

17:52

the line not just playing and finding big

17:54

moments but I think some of the performances

17:56

and some of the performers, I mean actually young, what

17:58

a professional is. James

18:01

has been lucky with injury but you all know he's got a

18:03

heart as big as a bucket for this club. There's

18:05

just a couple but so many others are too.

18:08

So many of us have been absolutely outstanding I

18:10

think. And the development of some of Jared developing.

18:12

Jimmy Garner is always good against that. You know

18:14

they're developing. Yousef gets a go. Meeko

18:16

has improved I think. Paolo has

18:18

been very unfortunate with injuries you know. But

18:21

we're trying to bring this group along as well as

18:23

win games as well as balance out the eight points

18:25

as well as balance out the finances as well as

18:27

balance out the noise as well as all the rest

18:29

of it. So I'm pleased with myself, the staff and

18:31

the players and of course the family. Sean

18:33

you've referred to the players wanting to finish

18:36

the season strongly but you can do it

18:38

now with the pressure off. And I'm only

18:40

bringing this up because you've already mentioned it

18:42

but are you sticking with the tracksuit? I'm

18:45

going to have to. I've got no choice.

18:48

I mean the players are on it now. You know I've filmed

18:51

myself pretty decent to be fair but the players are on it.

18:54

A bit of fun about it once we won one and then

18:56

you win two and all of a sudden you know it changes

18:58

the story so I think I'm going to have to. And

19:00

if you finish the season strongly you might be getting more than a

19:03

message from Green Day. They could be writing you a whole new

19:05

song. I know what's that all about. It's another

19:07

weird thing of this week. The

19:09

oddest week for many reasons including that but I thank

19:11

them for it anyway and I look forward to seeing

19:13

them. Sean, really appreciate you coming out

19:15

to talk to us. Thanks so much and congratulations

19:18

again. Thanks everyone.

19:20

Bon appétit. Cheers.

19:22

Sean's actually clearly can be a bit more relaxed now.

19:24

We can look forward to the end of the season.

19:27

I wanted to talk about the track not because

19:29

of the sort of image part of it but

19:32

also more about

19:34

the fact that it kind of underlines this

19:36

emphasis on what's going on on the training

19:38

ground that it's almost like a move or

19:41

a sign that is moving away from the

19:43

boardroom and onto the ground. Does it feel

19:45

like that to you or am I reading

19:47

too much into it? I'd probably say

19:49

you're reading a little bit too much into it. I

19:52

think with Sean I think he was just trying something new. Sometimes

19:55

you want a little bit of a change of look or

19:57

maybe his suit was too creased or whatever but it seems

19:59

to be work, you know, a few wins on the spin,

20:01

you'll probably be sleeping in his tracksuit at the moment,

20:03

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20:05

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20:07

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20:37

Before the game, because of results elsewhere,

20:39

Brentford already knew that their Premier League

20:41

status had been secured, that they'd lost

20:44

by a goal to nil against Everton at

20:46

Goodison Park, but let's hear from their manager

20:48

Thomas Fong, it's with Juliette Ferington. Thomas,

20:52

you knew it was going to be tight between you

20:54

and Everton, was that what you thought it was

20:56

going to be the way it played out? Very

20:59

tight game, not many

21:01

chances, probably a nil-nil

21:03

game, a little bit boring

21:05

if I'm honest. We

21:09

know how difficult Everton is to play against, I

21:12

think actually we had the biggest chance in the game drive-in

21:15

at nil-nil. We knew they're

21:17

very good in set-pieces, I think we controlled

21:19

that completely throughout the game, and

21:22

then it's a second phase flip-off

21:25

game in the box, but unfortunately it dropped

21:28

to them. I like the honesty,

21:30

is Ivan okay? He seemed a little bit quiet in this

21:32

match. I

21:34

think Phil happened to belong to him, so he played

21:36

90 minutes. Because that

21:39

concern wasn't over the hit problem and everything

21:41

else in terms of his fitness. The

21:45

plus side is, you're in the Premier League

21:48

guaranteed now mathematically safe for another season, and

21:50

that would have been the target right at

21:52

the start when you rewind back to Walker.

21:55

No, no, no, no, no, no, never, never, ever,

21:57

ever, we never talked about target almost staying in

21:59

the box. in the Premier League. That must

22:01

be something you other guys are talking about. For us,

22:03

it's always trying to enter as high as possible, be

22:05

an asset to the Premier League. Today,

22:08

I'm just very irritated that we lost a football

22:10

match. But it has been a difficult season, hasn't

22:12

it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but today I'm

22:14

just irritated that we lost a game. What

22:17

frustrated you the most? I

22:19

just don't like losing and I don't think we

22:21

top performed and I think it was an average

22:23

game. Do you look now to

22:26

sort of find that Barenspak mentality, the

22:28

run of form, the momentum that you won for

22:30

these remaining three games? I think there is

22:32

a little bit irritating in me that I

22:35

think we've got a good momentum and the Premier

22:37

League is just so tough and it's so tight

22:39

and it's a fine match and it's all the

22:41

time. So, okay, if we can't win

22:43

here, and there shouldn't be a win in my opinion,

22:45

okay, then nil, nil, then get a point when

22:48

we didn't hit our highest offensive quality. I

22:50

enjoy the rest of the three games. I'll try

22:52

to. Thank you. Thank you, Thomas. Thank

22:54

you, everyone. Well, a smile

22:57

at the end from Thomas Frank, but you

22:59

can understand his frustration before they even kicked

23:01

off. He knew that the job was done,

23:03

the Premier League status had been secured. But

23:06

in terms of the game itself, can

23:09

you see where his frustrations might come from in terms

23:11

of the performance? Yeah, I always think if

23:13

you get the first goal against Evan, you've got a

23:15

good chance because then they have to come out, then

23:17

options will come and you've got the pace on the

23:20

back of, you know, and Wemo and Tony and Vissa

23:23

to utilise. But once they don't, they want one nil

23:25

down, they didn't really have any options or anything that

23:27

looked like they were going to go their way. A

23:29

couple of moments, but obviously in the first half, you

23:31

think about, you know, Bram Pwate's block, that was a

23:33

big moment in the game, you know, they get that

23:36

first goal, everything's different and that was a good piece

23:38

of defending as well. Yeah, we

23:40

spoke about it half time, you know, obviously he reads

23:42

the situation well, comes out to block him and makes

23:45

sure he doesn't leave too many gaps for the ball

23:47

to go in. So yeah, on a pretty, should

23:50

we say, dullish first half, this was probably the

23:52

biggest moment of the game. And same again, he

23:55

was right, Thomas Pang, he said they had the

23:57

biggest moments and again, this

23:59

was probably the biggest chance of the game obviously

24:01

it wasn't a goal but you know fantastic

24:03

through ball and you're thinking just just slot it

24:05

underneath Jordan and for some

24:07

reason I don't know if it's a slight mistake or whatever but he

24:09

comes up and it allows Jordan to make a save of his ribs.

24:12

Yeah it's a good save from Jordy

24:14

Pickford but Antonio has kept it down

24:16

a bit. Possibly kept it down, lift

24:18

it you know it's one of those, it's

24:21

just one of the sometimes make sure you

24:23

get a good contact on it that's the

24:25

most important thing. A little bit unlucky. This

24:28

is King Louis Potter when he came on I think

24:30

he gave him a little bit of life as well

24:32

couple of little moments, tries to bend that into the

24:34

top four, doesn't quite get enough on it but it

24:37

just wasn't their day. It's been a difficult season for

24:39

Brentford they've had so many injuries they've been decimated of

24:41

injuries and obviously the suspension to their leading man so

24:44

it's been hard so it's a certain extent I think they'll be looking

24:46

forward to the end of the season figure out what's

24:48

gonna happen next year if Ivan Tony is

24:50

to depart and I've got no doubt with

24:53

the structure they've got in bringing in players and already

24:55

identified somebody to take his place they won't panic and

24:57

they'll make sure that they're in a good position next

24:59

year they've got good energy the manager always does a

25:01

great job so it's just been I think I feel

25:03

sorry for me because of injuries they've had they've not

25:05

really been on a fair playing field at times. So

25:07

that front three is the first time

25:10

they've played together for various reasons and

25:12

that you've talked about there Jamie but

25:14

do you think if they if they move forward

25:17

without Ivan Tony I know you said the Brentford's

25:19

acquisition suggests that they will bring in a

25:21

player of a similar profile in order to

25:24

replace him in the side but if they

25:26

are looking to plan for life without Tony

25:28

they have those players in there who can

25:30

be devastating to the opposition's defence. Yeah absolutely

25:32

he went with the three of them today which he

25:34

doesn't always tend to do because what you do when

25:36

you throw your sort of big hitters onto the pitch

25:38

at once it takes away a great substitute to come

25:40

on you know this it can obviously do something and

25:42

when I've done it in the past so it just

25:44

it does doesn't enable you to have somebody that could

25:46

come on and maybe give you a goal for it

25:48

so that that's what one of the problems are but

25:51

I think they'll be fine next year they will

25:53

make sure they get the right player in I'm

25:55

no doubt they would identified it they work very

25:57

well behind the scenes in identifying getting good talent

26:00

into the club. So that will be something that

26:02

will be organised already. Ivan, I'm

26:05

not sure if he knows where he's going already, but there will

26:07

be clubs certainly after him and he's going to have a really

26:09

busy summer, not just with the Euros, but also what he does

26:11

at Brentford. Where does his profile suit?

26:13

Is there a club that you think

26:15

that Ivan turning the type of player

26:17

that he is, that they

26:19

need that kind of player? For

26:22

me it's difficult if he's going to stay in the Premier League. Who

26:25

needs, shall we call him an out and out number nine.

26:27

He obviously dropped in a little bit today, but maybe

26:30

a Chelsea Arsenal, depending

26:32

on what they want to do, but they also like to

26:34

have the freedom of the movement up top as well. So

26:37

it's probably not as simple as the ten

26:40

teams that want to buy him and ten teams that

26:42

could probably afford him. We don't even know how much

26:44

obviously Brentford are going to ask for him. There's so

26:47

many if buts and maybes and as Jamie says, he's

26:49

also got the Euros. Do

26:51

you think he feels more like Chelsea than

26:53

an Arsenal who needs somebody? I

26:55

think if you look at the Chelsea team now and

26:58

you wanted a focal point to play off,

27:00

because they've got so many players that can play in and around

27:02

it, I think he would be a perfect fit. Whether

27:05

they're looking for that or not, I don't know. They've obviously bought

27:08

a lot of players over the course of the last

27:10

year or so. They've had a few injuries in that

27:12

department themselves. But like I said,

27:14

there's not loads and loads of

27:17

options for him, but I'm sure plenty of

27:19

teams would take him. But again, there's so

27:21

many if buts and maybes. You've

27:23

just mentioned the Euros. Would

27:25

you take him? There's always two

27:27

questions around England. One, what would you do? And

27:29

two, what do you think Gareth Southgate would do?

27:32

We've got 26 players now. I

27:35

think Ivan and Tony will go. I think Watkins will

27:37

go as well. I think they both deserve it. Really

27:40

good players, different profile. Obviously,

27:44

Ivan will always be a player that if he

27:46

gets to the latter stages and you get into

27:48

a penalty shootout, he would obviously be fantastic. I

27:50

love Jarrad Bowen. Another great goal today. He's had

27:52

a brilliant season. It's

27:56

going to be, I think Dominic, I

27:58

think you saw a lot shocked everybody coming into

28:01

this season. So I think it will probably be

28:03

between obviously Sri Lanka, Ivan Toni and Watkins who

28:05

will be the two out of the three. Yeah

28:08

it's a difficult decision for Garris Southgate

28:10

to make there because he likes to

28:12

talk about bringing players in on form

28:14

and play. Well Ivan Toni hasn't really

28:16

been available for most of the season

28:18

to see what kind of form he's

28:20

in. Which I suppose could be a little bit

28:22

of a bonus because he'll probably be the freshest player out there.

28:24

You look at how many games he's played obviously due to him

28:27

being suspended he's not been able to. So he's

28:29

actually going to be going into a tournament sort

28:31

of in September, October sort of form

28:33

and freshness as opposed to June

28:35

and July when obviously everyone else will be coming. So

28:38

I think Garris put a lot of faith in Toni

28:40

previously in squads and stuff like that. We spoke about

28:43

penalties. There's so many different variants that you have

28:45

but for me now it's gone to 26. And

28:47

Jared can play wide so that's why Jared Byrne

28:49

I think is certainty to go because he can

28:51

play up one of the wide areas. You know

28:55

it's Marcus Rashford I don't think

28:57

his name was there was it? No. So I think Marcus

28:59

Rashford is going to be under pressure for the Euros as

29:01

well. It's not going to be easy for

29:03

him to fit into that squad because other players

29:05

have just been in better form. If you're picking

29:07

players on form he doesn't make the squad. If

29:09

you're picking players on what they've done previously for Garris.

29:11

That will be obviously in Garris mind but it'll

29:13

be difficult because of how poorly he's played this

29:15

season to pick him. The other player

29:18

who's in with a chance of being in that

29:20

Euros squad in the other team today is Jared

29:22

Bransway. Would you go with him Phil? Well

29:24

same again now it's gone to 26 players. He

29:26

is going to be one for the future that people

29:28

are you know pushing at the moment and I think

29:31

even taking for the experience the chance of let's say

29:33

if he's fourth choice and half at the moment going

29:35

away of England the chance of a fourth choice and

29:37

half getting much game time is probably a

29:39

little bit less than maybe a you know second

29:41

or third choice forward player. So for

29:44

me if you see their future

29:46

and obviously the future playing for England why not

29:48

take him and on form like

29:50

you said but sometimes you know like say you've

29:52

got sort of

29:54

we've played a lot of of halves I've played a lot

29:57

of games together for England and sometimes it's a safer option

29:59

to play those but He's not doing

30:01

himself any harm at the moment, he's

30:04

putting the best possible case forward, but now it's

30:06

gone to 26, I think that's probably a very

30:08

good chance he makes it. If you're picking players

30:10

on form, I agree with you, he plays, he

30:13

starts. I think John Stones obviously

30:15

is our number one centre back, I think

30:17

you probably start him alongside John Stones. He'll

30:20

probably call a war court right back, and

30:22

left-back is obviously a position that we've got a bit

30:24

of a problem with at the moment, certainly with injuries.

30:28

I've just got the feeling sometimes with young players, mainly

30:30

more so strikers in World Cups and Euros

30:32

have made a difference, 18-1s that come in

30:34

and finish a tournament. I

30:38

think we'll see him in the team at some point.

30:40

My only worry was he didn't play in the games

30:42

against Belgium and Brazil, if I remember right. That

30:45

was an opportunity to look at him. I thought so, he deserved

30:47

it. If you look at the players, Eric

30:49

Dyer has got himself right back in the fold

30:51

because of his brilliant form at Bayern Munich, and

30:53

I know they've been delighted to him over there,

30:55

and especially if they go on and win the Champions

30:57

League, that will be obviously important for him. But

31:02

it's not going to be easy, but I do

31:04

think Jared, because of how he's played, what obviously

31:06

goes against him is that zero catch. But

31:08

do you know what, if you can play and he's

31:10

confident and he's quick, there's no reason why he can't

31:12

do it. Yeah, but I do agree, I think he

31:14

probably would have got more game time if he

31:17

was in that. Would that be your worry thing?

31:19

That would be my worry, and I think he just looked at the list as

31:21

quite a few players there. I think he's going to be pretty well this season

31:23

that you speak about. It's

31:26

a tough one, I think he's going to literally be 50-50 whether

31:28

he makes the plane or not. Do you think he goes with

31:30

tried and trusted? If you think of a team for the first

31:32

game, do you think you could go with Harry Maguire and John

31:34

Stas? Yeah, I do not see

31:36

you taking the risk of a new

31:39

partnership and something that's not worked

31:41

previously. Whether it's the right thing or

31:43

the thing going forward is totally different, but I think

31:45

for the first game of the tournament, you

31:47

go for tried and tested. Maybe at the top end of

31:50

the pitch. You can potentially

31:52

throw a curve ball or something else

31:54

in there, but I think for the back end of the pitch,

31:57

I'd be very surprised if it wasn't exactly what you just

31:59

said. feel that if you

32:01

know in that position you need to

32:03

see a little bit more from him,

32:05

not just in terms of giving him

32:07

England caps and giving him England experience

32:09

but maybe a bit longer career behind

32:11

him to be absolutely sure. Yeah

32:13

I think so, we don't doubt he

32:15

can do it it's just until you've done it you haven't

32:17

done it it's as simple as that so for me if

32:19

he was at Man City and he was playing this

32:23

season he was playing alongside John Stones and even

32:25

if he'd not had an England cap but he'd

32:27

had a relationship or say for instance Everton's left

32:29

back because it was Leighton Baines at the moment

32:31

and Leighton Baines was going to be on the plane starting left

32:33

back that would strengthen his case but he's got

32:35

no relation okay he's got a relationship with Jordan which I suppose is

32:37

one sort of string to his bow but

32:39

there's no relationships for him for the

32:42

people that will be playing in and around

32:44

him really so again you go back to

32:46

being the defensive unit it's not just about

32:48

how good a player is individually it's all

32:50

about how everyone works with each other so

32:53

I say the negative not so

32:55

much negative the safer side of me as a defender would

32:57

be stick to what you sort of know give

33:00

the creative freedom to the people at the top end

33:02

of the pitch yeah I think he's you

33:04

make absolute a lot of sense there he's a position

33:06

you know better than anybody but I just feel with

33:09

that's the one area of the pitch where I

33:11

still feel that bothers me or

33:14

worries me from England's perspective midfield it's

33:16

got so many good options up front

33:18

as well you know Saka and Kane

33:20

players like that no worries but just

33:22

defensively he's got to find the right balance the

33:25

right partnership I'm not sure how many games we're

33:27

going to have before the euros but it's normally

33:29

two or three friendlies I think he needs a

33:31

game there's going to be a clamour for him

33:33

you know he's getting he's getting clean sheets in

33:35

big games he's marking good center forwards and marking

33:37

them out the game so I'm a big fan

33:40

every time I see him he's growing on me and

33:42

I don't see many better options out there which is

33:44

obviously also important and you know he

33:46

needs to but he needs a chance an opportunity before

33:48

the tournament starts just to show what he can do

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34:15

Certainly in terms of the title race

34:17

with both Arsenal in the North London

34:19

Derby and Manchester City in action after

34:21

the North London Derby. But

34:23

it's also big in terms of the games at

34:25

the bottom as well because Nottingham Forest will be

34:28

desperate for the point. What we already know is

34:30

that Sheffield United have been

34:32

relegated, they've been beaten 5-1

34:36

by Newcastle United and they

34:38

cannot now preserve their Premier

34:40

League status for another season.

34:43

So Sheffield United will be playing in the

34:45

Championship next season, but who will join them?

34:48

It's still very much to be decided.

34:50

Already today we've seen that both Everton

34:52

and Brentford have secured their place in

34:54

the Premier League for next season, but

34:57

Nottingham Forest, for Luton and Burnley, fill

35:00

in with a chance of survival at

35:02

this stage. After Nottingham Forest have played

35:04

Manchester City tomorrow, they've got Sheffield United,

35:07

Chelsea and Burnley. Then

35:09

we've got Everton, West Ham and

35:11

Fulham for Luton and for Burnley,

35:13

arguably City accepted, the

35:15

toughest fixtures for the end of the season.

35:17

They've got Newcastle, Tottenham and then that game

35:20

as we know against Nottingham Forest to be

35:22

at the end of the season. I mean,

35:24

look, really disappointed for Sheffield United, but we've

35:26

known for a little while that

35:29

they were going to be heading for the Championship

35:31

next season. For those other teams at various times,

35:33

I think we've written most of

35:35

them off, I think, but one of them is going

35:37

to be staying in the league. I think that's the

35:39

beauty of the league. Someone

35:42

say if they lose a few games, they come into a

35:44

relegation battle and they win a couple, but I think for

35:46

the majority of the season we've looked at the bottom three,

35:48

bottom four teams and we realise that it's

35:51

going to come down to them and when you just put the fixes up

35:53

and you see the last game of the seasons, obviously, Forest

35:55

versus Burnley, it's

35:57

potentially the decider for the season. It's

36:00

going to be huge for that game, particularly because of

36:02

the form that Burnley have shown you. One

36:05

defeat and eight for Burnley, that's incredible. And I think for

36:07

Forrest, he's won winning nine, is that right? I think

36:09

so. Very difficult. Burnley have picked

36:11

that. So that might end up being a really

36:13

vital point. They're hung in there today. They played

36:15

well. Vincent company and I have to be

36:17

honest, I watched him a few times earlier this season. I just

36:19

thought, I thought there's no chance they can stay up. But

36:22

they really have stuck together, important results. And he'll

36:24

just be hoping that he can get not in

36:26

the forest. So last day of the season just

36:28

needed a win. If he can get to that

36:30

point, he'll be delighted and that'll be some occasion

36:33

for sure. I mean, as you say,

36:35

not in forest, not in good form at

36:37

the moment. Burnley have put in good performances

36:39

throughout the season and not quite managed to

36:41

get over the line until recently when they've

36:44

started to pick points up and get the

36:46

late equalizer against Manchester United today. For Luton,

36:49

they're up against Everton on Friday night

36:51

next. But they themselves in Luton don't

36:53

seem to be on good form again.

36:55

It was another defeat today at the

36:57

hands of Wolves. Yes, it's a

37:00

tough one for Luton because they've kept themselves

37:02

in that chance to stay up. But every

37:04

time they've probably got an option to get

37:06

out of the relegation zone, they let themselves

37:08

down. But they'll be hoping Everton

37:10

have had their week three wins on

37:12

the spin hopefully and they'll be

37:14

tied and stuff because they get an opportunity now. They play Friday night.

37:16

They get a chance to put some unbelievable pressure

37:18

on the teams around them if they can potentially

37:20

get a win at home. But like I say,

37:22

the Premier League is a really, really tough division

37:24

and the Gwan-Winner game is

37:26

fantastic and Luton have shown they can do

37:28

that. But they've also shown it's not that simple to go back to

37:31

back to back. I imagine anybody looking

37:33

at those final fixtures and working out

37:35

where teams might end up if they're

37:37

trying to predict what happens would be

37:39

looking at a forest game against Manchester

37:41

City tomorrow and writing

37:43

forest off in that. Do you think there is

37:45

a chance for forest against City? Of

37:48

course there is a chance they got a draw against

37:50

them last year. It's never easy. They're trying to start

37:53

playing for their lives to a certain

37:55

extent. And I'm sure that Rob Edwards

37:57

Vincent Cumpley of their Man City show is on tomorrow.

38:00

and he'll get that old shirt on the end

38:02

of the cheering man's sit-yong, because that's what it's

38:04

like. You've got to hope that things go your

38:06

way. But they are dangerous on

38:08

the counter-attack, not in the forest. Manchester City

38:10

have happened to churn out lots of games.

38:12

They play Brighton. They're just a little bit

38:14

of tiredness. Look, they're unbelievable. They're an incredible

38:16

side, and they're relentless at this

38:18

time of the year. So of course, you'd have to

38:20

say no, but you just never know in the Premier

38:22

League anything is possible. Anything is

38:25

possible, but if we're looking into

38:27

what's happened in previous seasons, we know this

38:29

is where Manchester City kick into gear, and

38:31

they certainly look like they're going to be

38:33

doing that with big wins in midweek, and

38:36

that sort of determination and focus in their

38:38

performances. This will probably be a harder game though,

38:40

Kelly, than Brighton. Although Brighton obviously had better stuff,

38:42

because it's more, that suited them a little bit

38:45

more. The way that Brighton tried to play out,

38:47

and they just played into Manchester City's hands, but

38:49

I think this one will be slightly different. They'll

38:51

be a bit more about set pieces. They'll make

38:53

it difficult. They'll sit back. They won't try to

38:56

play sort of man-sitting their own game. It will

38:58

be. I think it'll be a tough game,

39:00

although I do think they'll navigate it. I

39:02

agree. It's going to be a totally different type of game. It's

39:05

like Brighton almost played into man-sitting's hands in the last

39:07

game, and that's what a forest's

39:09

job is, to make it as difficult as possible.

39:12

They could get an

39:14

amazing win, and put a bit of daylight between them

39:17

and the bottom three, but realistically, I don't think it's

39:19

going to happen, but I'll be watching it, and I'll

39:21

see how it goes on. Well, Arsenal

39:23

fans will be hoping that Manchester City

39:25

slip up. If Arsenal do their job

39:27

against Tottenham, Liverpool will

39:29

feel that the title, perhaps,

39:32

is beyond them, even though that's not technically

39:34

the case. After dropping points again today, this

39:36

time against West Ham, and

39:38

certainly tempers are starting to

39:40

flare. There appeared to be

39:44

something of a discussion between Mohamed Salah

39:46

and Jurgen Klopp on the touchline, and

39:48

Salah was asked about this afterwards and

39:50

said, look, I'm not going to say

39:52

anything, because whatever I say is going

39:54

to just add to the fire, sort

39:57

of implying that it would maybe... taken

40:00

out of context, but blown up into something that

40:02

it wasn't. And guess what's happened?

40:04

It's suddenly the headline. If I say anything, everything's

40:07

going to catch fire. But

40:10

what do you read into that? I watched the

40:12

game live, and then obviously they

40:14

showed the clip of them arguing.

40:17

And it felt a little bit uncharacteristic

40:19

for both of them, because Jurgen Klopp doesn't tend

40:21

to fall out of his own players. Mohamed

40:23

Salah is obviously frustrated because he's not starting the game,

40:25

and there was a few choice words between him. He

40:28

can't dress it up, he wants to play. There's

40:31

obviously a few minutes to go in the game. He

40:33

wants to get on the pitch and make something happen.

40:37

I don't like to see it, but it happens.

40:39

Passions and everything that goes along with football, and

40:41

obviously with Liverpool throwing points away at the moment,

40:44

these things do happen. Mohamed Salah has had

40:46

a couple of inches, I'm trying to think

40:49

with Mane, maybe early in his Liverpool career. But there

40:51

hasn't been too many. He's been an incredible servant for

40:53

the club. I do

40:55

believe his time is coming to an end. I think

40:57

in the summer, I think because obviously his contract's running

40:59

down, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to leave,

41:02

obviously alongside Jurgen Klopp's going as well.

41:05

But I think the most important thing is because of

41:07

his legacy and how well he's done, just the quickness

41:09

he's brushed under the carpet, the better. Because he's been

41:11

a legend, he's been incredible for that team. He just

41:13

wants to play. That's what I would look at more

41:15

than anything else, but you don't really like to

41:17

see a manager and a player fall in that. I've

41:19

done it plenty of times myself, and I'm sure you have, Phil. But

41:22

sometimes behind closed doors is the place

41:24

for that to happen. And when it

41:26

happens on the touchline is when people

41:28

like us start asking questions and speculating

41:30

about maybe what it means.