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Tortoise.
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Hello, it's Basia here, and you're listening to the Slow
1:24
Newscast from Tortoise. Often,
1:26
an investigation starts small. A single
1:29
story, a single person. Late
1:31
last year, Louise Tickle, a reporter
1:33
in our newsroom, began paying attention
1:35
to the story of a vulnerable, suicidal
1:38
12-year-old girl who'd been locked
1:40
in solitary confinement, fed through
1:42
a hatch in the door, because there was nowhere
1:44
else for her to go. But soon, Louise
1:47
realised that this was not a single scandal,
1:50
but a much, much bigger one. This
1:52
week's episode reveals the sheer number
1:54
of distressed and vulnerable children being
1:56
locked away in Britain by order of the courts.
1:59
Our investigation has discovered
2:01
that since the pandemic, the number
2:04
of children issued with deprivation
2:06
of liberty orders by the courts has
2:08
increased threefold. These children
2:10
haven't committed crimes, they aren't being
2:13
sectioned under the Mental Health Act. These
2:15
are children who are being taken away from their
2:17
families and interstate care, and
2:19
they should be placed in homes where they can be
2:21
properly treated and the situation
2:23
de-escalated. But the reality
2:26
is there are hardly any secure, regulated
2:29
places for these children to go, so
2:31
they end up like that 12-year-old, often
2:34
suicidal, intent on self-harm
2:36
and locked in solitary confinement, or
2:39
locked in hotel rooms, or on barges,
2:42
or in caravans.
2:43
This is a system that is unsafe, expensive
2:46
and unseen.
2:48
I'll hand over to Louise and producer Patricia
2:50
Clarke for this episode revealing
2:52
Children Locked Away, Britain's modern
2:55
bedlam. And just before we begin,
2:57
I need to warn you that this is a difficult listen
3:00
at times and it deals with self-harm and
3:02
suicide.
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So, you just pop that
3:07
on. It's early morning
3:10
and I'm in a grey hotel room on a rainy
3:12
day. And I'm
3:14
about to be transported. Hold
3:17
that. Oh my God, that's so weird. And
3:20
you should be able to click. That's
3:22
my producer, and she's just handed me a VR
3:25
headset. To kind of move
3:27
around. I mean, you can just walk.
3:29
Oh my God. And
3:33
suddenly I'm standing in another
3:35
grey room, in a hospital. I'm
3:39
stood in this... I mean,
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it feels like a concrete walled
3:44
room. And
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the first thing I can see
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is a single bed. It's
3:52
blue. It's covered
3:54
in plastic. And
3:57
there's a small
3:58
coverlet on it. it, but
4:02
the first impression is of a completely
4:04
bare room.
4:08
I'm here because I'm following the case of a 12-year-old
4:11
girl who we'll call Becky. Becky
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is, by all accounts, volatile,
4:16
vulnerable and determined to kill
4:18
herself. Just
4:22
over two months ago, she was deemed a threat to
4:24
herself and others and, not
4:26
for the first time, removed from her home
4:29
and her family. And
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until just a few days ago, she was living
4:33
in this room, known as a seclusion
4:36
room, in the mental health unit of
4:38
a hospital in Staffordshire.
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The walls are completely bare and
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if I turn to the door, I can
4:46
see what looks like a
4:47
large letterbox, which
4:50
is the hatch.
4:51
I wanted to visit the room Becky was held in, but
4:53
the hospital press team told me it wasn't possible. It
4:56
set apart from the General Psychiatric Ward
4:59
in a part of the building where there were strict access
5:01
conditions for staff, let alone visitors. Instead,
5:04
they'd given me an online link
5:06
to view it via this VR headset.
5:10
Becky has been kept in this room for eight weeks
5:13
in near-total isolation. Pretty
5:16
much her only contact with human beings is
5:19
when hospital staff feed her through that
5:21
hatch. To
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remind you, she's just 12. So
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it is a room that's been very
5:32
well designed to keep people safe, but
5:35
the idea of putting a 12-year-old
5:37
child in here and
5:39
her being locked in here for
5:42
days and weeks, it's
5:45
not designed for anyone to have a life. Everything
5:49
in this room is designed to stop people from killing
5:51
themselves. The windows are made
5:53
of special material that doesn't break. All
5:56
corners are rounded off, and I'm told
5:58
the furniture is incredibly heavy.
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so it can't be thrown around.
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But
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according to everyone who's responsible for
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Becky, and there's a lot of them,
6:06
this accommodation is totally unsuitable
6:09
for her. In fact, not just unsuitable.
6:12
Actively damaging.
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Becky's story has made national headlines in recent
6:18
weeks. I know that because I've written
6:21
the articles and attended court
6:23
hearing after court hearing.
6:25
The judge presiding over her case is
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demanding that social workers and doctors find
6:29
somewhere for her to go, somewhere considerably
6:32
better than this. A home
6:35
where she'll be cared for by properly trained staff and
6:37
plenty of them.
6:39
A therapeutic environment where, crucially,
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she also has a chance to get
6:43
better. I'm
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just stood here thinking about
6:49
my 12-year-old son living
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in this room, 24-7,
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with no access to the outdoors,
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no access to daylight, no
7:05
stimulation of any kind. It's
7:08
just
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empty.
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And what that would do to him, I
7:16
think it would send him mad.
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The problem is, there is nowhere for Becky
7:21
to go. Not a single bed is
7:23
on offer in any registered, regulated,
7:25
secure care home across England
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or Wales.
7:28
The system is full. The system
7:30
is full to the brim. And
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I'm telling you about Becky, not just because
7:34
of the horrors of her situation, but
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because, actually, her story isn't
7:39
an exception. She was in danger
7:42
all the time. She was walking down
7:44
motorways in the middle of the night on
7:46
her own to come home. There
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are schools of others just like
7:50
her. Desperate children.
7:52
Sometimes victims of abuse or trafficking
7:55
or with learning disabilities or they've got
7:57
undiagnosed autism or a mental health condition.
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and they come to the attention of police and social
8:03
services when they're distressed, emotionally
8:05
dysregulated and ultimately
8:08
often suicidal.
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These
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are children who can't go home but
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who need keeping safe and
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who need a chance to heal.
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If this is the best we
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can do for ex and others in
8:22
similar crises, what right do
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we, what right do the system, our
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society and indeed the state
8:28
itself have to call ourselves civilised?
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I'm Louise Tickle and you're listening to the slow
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newscast from Tortoise. In
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this episode I'm going to investigate what happens
8:40
to Becky and other children like her. And
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I want to know, where are our
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most vulnerable, damaged and traumatised
8:48
children being held? And why
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are they being harmed, not helped? The
8:53
more research I've done and the most people I've spoke
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to, they never come
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home.
9:08
I've been to see Becky today, she's still
9:10
in seclusion. I took her a collage
9:12
of her favourite pics to stick on her window. She
9:15
reports not being outside other than
9:17
one time
9:18
but she can't remember when that was.
9:20
I got in contact with Becky's mum Lydia, that's
9:23
not her real name, after the first court hearing
9:25
I attended at the end of January.
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We spoke over WhatsApp, I'm sharing
9:29
the messages with her consent.
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Becky has always struggled,
9:34
from walking age really.
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Becky grew up at home with her mum and two siblings
9:39
and lived there until last year.
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Everyone says she's a really bright, clever
9:44
child who loves playing outdoors, adores
9:47
her pets and spending time with her horses.
9:49
That's when she's happiest.
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But life for Becky has been tough from
9:54
the outset. She
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wouldn't sleep, always talking, bouncing
9:59
about. By
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year one in school, aged six,
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she had five excluded periods from school.
10:06
From a very young age, she struggled with
10:08
behavioural issues. Lydia
10:10
tells me that when Becky was seven, her
10:12
school made her work alone in a small
10:15
windowless room because she was so disruptive.
10:18
We moved Becky to a special
10:20
school midway through year four. She
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stayed there 18 months, thriving.
10:26
Then Covid hit and the school shut.
10:29
She was in year six, then she spent 18
10:32
months without education.
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Everything came to a head last summer.
10:37
Becky's behaviour became volatile, so
10:40
dangerous that her mother could no longer manage her. She
10:42
was put into various temporary, unregulated
10:45
placements. In one, she was
10:47
abused and neglected by the staff. Eventually,
10:50
the council placed her in a travel lodge, which
10:53
she quickly trashed. She assaulted
10:55
staff and police. Aged
10:58
just 12, she was charged with criminal damage and
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brought in front of the magistrates. That
11:03
day, while she was in a holding cell, she
11:05
took a smuggled overdose of antidepressants.
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Becky
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has never self-harmed, cut herself,
11:12
taken an overdose in my care, only
11:14
in social care. Becky needs
11:17
an army and her soldiers left her fighting
11:19
alone. With nowhere
11:21
for her to go, Becky was sent to another
11:23
temporary placement. On route,
11:26
she attacked her care staff again, this time while
11:28
they were driving. She pulled the handbrake
11:30
on the car, ran along the motorway, climbed
11:33
up a building
11:34
and tried to jump.
11:39
I don't know if people necessarily
11:41
understand what it means
11:44
for a child to be at that level of risk. I wonder
11:46
if you could explain what that looks like. It
11:50
looks like a very angry young person. It
11:52
looks like a very, I want
11:55
to say cornered. They're
11:57
feeling cornered by life and they may
11:59
thrash out.
11:59
in a number of ways.
12:02
It's often the case of being ignored or feeling
12:05
under threat. The ways
12:10
that that drives behaviour can
12:12
look to the outside very
12:15
deterrent, aggressive, kind of
12:18
thoughtless, chaotic, but
12:20
they are a reaction to
12:22
those feelings.
12:24
Cathy Evans, Chief Executive of the charity
12:26
Children England, has worked with dozens
12:28
of children just like Becky.
12:30
She's careful not to describe them as violent
12:33
or aggressive. Often they're
12:35
deeply vulnerable, traumatised
12:38
and are acting from a place of almost unfathomable
12:41
distress. Cathy
12:43
Evans explains that it's important to de-escalate
12:45
children in this state by providing
12:48
them with what's known as secure accommodation.
12:51
That's a home where children are supervised
12:54
24-7, sometimes by multiple care
12:56
workers.
12:57
They might, on occasion, be locked into
12:59
that home.
13:01
And ideally, they will have therapeutic
13:03
care from highly trained professionals to
13:05
help them transition back into their community
13:08
and their family.
13:10
But even the best secure accommodation
13:12
is seen as an absolute last
13:15
resort.
13:15
And it should be a temporary solution
13:18
to diffuse a crisis.
13:20
I don't advocate secure, blithely,
13:23
and certainly not for minor criminality
13:26
or for punishment. But I definitely
13:28
saw some children for whom what
13:30
was needed was a period of time during
13:33
which being able to run off, being
13:36
able to smash things up, was just taking off the
13:39
equation to
13:41
see if we could get to better
13:44
understand and look after them
13:46
and move them from that state of chaos
13:48
and danger to feeling better
13:51
able to manage and to feel
13:53
safe.
13:59
Wales, there
14:01
has been absolutely nowhere for
14:03
Becky to go. That's why
14:05
she's been locked into this seclusion room. And
14:08
as her mum describes, she's not
14:10
getting better.
14:11
She's getting worse.
14:13
Becky was quite
14:16
emotional today. And she never cries,
14:18
but she was crying. Toughest
14:20
visit I've had seeing her crying, not
14:22
being able to hug her. She buried
14:25
her head in my hand through the hatch.
14:31
All the court hearings about Becky's case take place
14:34
online. And while there's no grand
14:36
courtroom or judges in imposing
14:38
robes, the clerk is clear that
14:40
these cases are no less serious because
14:43
they take place on Microsoft Teams. This
14:46
is the second of these cases I've had today,
14:49
the second highly dysregulated teenage
14:51
girl who needs support and is not
14:53
getting it. This is Mrs Justice
14:55
Leven, the High Court judge overseeing
14:57
Becky's case.
14:58
No recording is permitted
15:00
in court, so an actor is voicing her
15:02
words. There are 20-odd
15:05
people on the link, from the council, the
15:07
North Staffordshire NHS Trust and
15:09
lawyers galore. There's also
15:11
Becky's mother, who really wants her to come home.
15:15
The judge wants her home too when she's ready,
15:17
but now isn't the right time. Becky's
15:20
still too volatile. She needs
15:22
to stabilise first.
15:25
In this particular hearing,
15:26
the local council and the NHS have been
15:28
asked to provide court documents suggesting
15:30
a suitable placement for Becky. But
15:33
they filed their paperwork
15:34
late, very late, and
15:37
so the judge doesn't have the information she
15:39
needs. I'm sure some in this
15:41
hearing will think this is ridiculous, but
15:43
given I have no evidence, I will have to
15:45
rely on Google. The
15:48
name of one possible care provider, which
15:50
is all she's been given, is throwing up unhelpful
15:53
results. It's just coming
15:55
up with restaurants. It's
15:58
not the first time something like this has happened.
15:59
and Mrs Justice Levan is
16:02
at the end of her tether. Ms Tickle
16:04
must be getting an extraordinary view of
16:06
the conduct of family litigation. This
16:09
is a particularly badly run
16:11
case, but really, this is not
16:13
a way to proceed. It's just
16:16
embarrassing. Vital court documents
16:18
filed so late the judge barely has time to read
16:20
them, weeks turning into months
16:22
of delays with no good options being put
16:24
forward for Becky, a judge having to
16:27
Google to find information about a placement for
16:29
this child who is in such distress
16:29
that she keeps trying to kill herself,
16:32
sometimes several times a day. To
16:36
be clear, family court hearings are held in
16:38
private, usually the law bans
16:40
reporting.
16:42
But for this case, despite, or
16:44
perhaps because of, its tensions and
16:46
sensitivities, Mrs Justice Levan
16:48
has made an exception.
16:50
And frankly, sometimes it feels like judges like
16:52
her are begging me to report on this issue. Not
16:56
Becky's story specifically, but the hundreds
16:58
of children, just like her, who
17:00
have nowhere to go.
17:03
In the family justice system, it's an open secret that
17:05
we are living through a nationwide, chronic
17:08
children's care crisis. And
17:10
we have been living through it for years. A
17:13
lot of these children are living
17:15
on the margins of a society which doesn't care.
17:20
I mean, it is unbelievable,
17:23
except we know it happens. Six
17:27
years before Becky was locked in that
17:29
hospital room, there was a warning call.
17:33
Another girl with dangerous behavioural issues was
17:35
in desperate need of a secure pediatric
17:37
mental health bed. She
17:39
became known as Child X when her case was
17:41
heard by the country's top
17:43
family judge, Sir James Munby.
17:46
Like the judge in Becky's case, he
17:48
was tasked with overseeing somewhere for X
17:51
to go.
17:52
But he couldn't help her either,
17:54
because nothing was available.
17:56
And so he published what is now
17:58
a famous judgement. It
18:00
is a disgrace to any country with
18:03
pretensions to civilisation, compassion
18:06
and dare one say it, basic human
18:08
decency that a judge in 2017
18:11
should be faced with the problems thrown up by
18:13
this case
18:14
and should have to express himself in
18:17
such terms. Even
18:19
when they're angry, judges' language is usually
18:21
understated and so Mungby's wording
18:24
was extraordinary.
18:26
It led the news bulletins
18:28
for 24 hours. One of the most senior
18:30
judges in England and Wales attacks the lack
18:33
of support services for young people
18:35
with mental health problems.
18:37
And in particular, one phrase
18:39
stood out. If we, the system,
18:42
society, the state, are unable
18:44
to provide ex with the supportive
18:46
and safe placement she so desperately
18:49
needs, and if in consequence
18:52
she is unable to make another attempt on her
18:54
life,
18:55
then I can only say with bleak emphasis,
18:58
we will have blood on our hands. Sir
19:04
James Mungby issued his warning in 2017.
19:08
And in the years since, there have been other
19:11
furious judgements coming out of the family
19:13
courts.
19:14
Just this January, in a case about
19:16
another suicidal child, the President
19:19
of the family court told the Secretary of State
19:21
for Education Gillian Keegan to appear
19:23
in front of him, her departments responsible
19:25
for these children.
19:27
But she has to be excused.
19:30
When the judge said no, she sent a barrister
19:32
in her place.
19:33
So we don't even know if she ever read his judgement.
19:37
All of which makes me wonder, since
19:39
Sir James Mungby warned that our country
19:41
would have blood on its hands if we didn't properly
19:43
care for our most vulnerable children, has anything
19:46
got better?
19:47
Or might things, in fact, have got worse?
19:59
concrete data
20:01
while I went on a journey of my own.
20:04
I wanted to find Child X.
20:07
I wanted to know what happened to her six
20:09
years before I heard about Becky.
20:15
When I started my search, all I had was
20:17
the famous judgment. Child
20:19
X and her family members were, as is usual
20:22
in judgments, all anonymised, but
20:24
their lawyers weren't. They
20:26
were my only hope of being able to get in touch
20:28
with Child X, and they did their best to
20:31
help.
20:32
One day, I got an email saying
20:35
X's mother was happy for me to contact
20:37
her. X's
20:46
mother, who we'll call Sylvia, lives on
20:48
a council estate just off a main road in
20:50
Barrow Infernus, an neglected seaside
20:53
town in Cumbria, where the only employment
20:55
is the submarine industry. I'm a bit
20:57
of a mess. It's with me.
21:00
I feel like I look like I've been battered
21:02
and I haven't. It's just...
21:05
Oh no, not at all. When did
21:06
your house start feeling trouble? Sylvia's
21:09
house is busy. You can tell that lots of people
21:12
live there. She's sitting on her sofa
21:14
surrounded by Easter eggs and children's cards,
21:17
most of them from her large family, who
21:19
drop in and out as we talk. And
21:21
Sylvia is eager to tell me about her daughter,
21:24
Child X.
21:26
Well, she
21:28
was obviously very hyperactive, very
21:30
very...she didn't sleep
21:33
much at all.
21:36
When she first went to nursery, she
21:39
went to a start nursery, and
21:43
she was quite...she didn't want to go. She
21:45
was scared. But she went on a minibus, and
21:48
they brought her back immediately and
21:50
said that she'd got so distressed, she'd
21:53
kicked the gentleman on the bus
21:55
when he was trying to hold her. So
21:57
severely, I've got a hospital.
21:59
She was what, four or five? Two and a half.
22:04
Sylvia says that Ex was finally
22:06
diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorder
22:08
in the year she turned 18.
22:11
It runs in their family. Some of her siblings
22:13
have it too, as do her uncles,
22:15
aunts, nephews and cousins.
22:18
There's a kindness in Lucy, she's got a big
22:20
heart, but her difficulty
22:22
is a social understanding.
22:25
I don't like the people in between, she said, which
22:27
is people of her own age, teenagers, because
22:30
she doesn't understand them.
22:32
Lucy is child X.
22:34
She wasn't formally diagnosed for years and
22:37
didn't go to a specialist school.
22:38
Nursery staff, teachers, other
22:40
professionals didn't seem to know what to do
22:43
with her. There was a school
22:45
education woman, a
22:47
psychologist, and I said to her,
22:49
please, please for God's sake
22:51
do something. She's escalating.
22:54
She's becoming harder to handle at home,
22:57
harder in school. Nobody's helping
22:59
us. There's nowhere for me to go
23:01
to. And she said, I would
23:04
love to work with Lucy,
23:07
but we don't have the funding. And
23:10
it was just like I cried. I
23:12
went outside and I cried. I
23:14
literally was saying, why are you crying? Why are you crying
23:17
and not saying I'm just tired? I'm just tired.
23:19
And I thought, oh, my God, no
23:21
one is going to help her.
23:24
No one is going to do anything
23:27
for her at all. They're
23:29
just not saying there was nothing.
23:32
Her behaviour started escalating, much
23:34
like Becky's. There
23:35
were attacks on her family and peers, suicide
23:39
attempts.
23:40
One night, just like Becky, she was
23:42
found walking down a motorway.
23:44
She was moved from placement to placement between
23:47
the criminal justice system, the NHS
23:49
and the council. And eventually,
23:52
at 17, she was in secure accommodation
23:54
on the basis of a youth court conviction. It
23:57
was at that point that her famous case
23:59
was her. in the family court. It
24:01
was a shocking case. In
24:04
the judgment I said it was a manifestation
24:07
of a scandal, the conditions
24:10
in which X was living.
24:13
And I actually said in the judgment, I said,
24:15
I can't bring myself to use the word living. She
24:18
is existing, who are unbelievably
24:21
grim. And
24:24
there seemed little likelihood of anything
24:26
very much changing. This
24:29
is Sir James Munby, the man who wrote
24:31
The Blood on Our Hands judgment back in 2017. He's
24:35
retired now, and he remembers that
24:37
day well. The expert
24:39
evidence was that unless something
24:41
was done for X, when
24:44
she came out of detention in, I
24:46
think, it was 11 days' time, there
24:48
was a very high degree of probability she would make
24:50
what would turn out to be a successful
24:53
attempted suicide.
24:54
And that was the origin
24:57
of the expression, The Blood
24:59
on Our Hands. X's
25:03
case, and now Becky's, involve
25:06
a tricky area of law. Children
25:09
with complex needs might rarely get
25:11
sectioned under the Mental Health Act, or
25:13
a judge can make a deprivation of liberty
25:16
order, which prevents children from going anywhere
25:18
without close supervision. They
25:20
can be locked into their accommodation or even
25:22
their bedroom, and sometimes a judge
25:24
can give permission for them to be physically or chemically
25:27
restrained to keep them safe. It
25:30
can get difficult because the criteria
25:32
for psychiatric sectioning is very specific
25:34
and very time-sensitive. Sometimes
25:37
doctors say that despite a child showing
25:39
what looks like a mental disorder, lots
25:42
of suicide attempts, for instance, they
25:44
don't assess that child as being mentally
25:46
ill.
25:47
You have cases where families, where parents,
25:49
cut to sitting court, listening to barristers,
25:53
arguing incomprehensibly, and under
25:55
sectioned this and sectioned that and so on and so
25:57
forth, it's actually down to them, not us.
25:59
And everybody says the same thing. It's them, not
26:02
us. Yeah. And occasionally the judge has
26:04
to resolve it. But
26:06
you see that the family judge can't resolve it.
26:08
Meanwhile, this child is sitting in limbo
26:10
somewhere. Meanwhile, the child's sitting in
26:12
limbo. I'm
26:15
struck by the similarity between Ex's
26:17
story and Becky's.
26:18
It sometimes feels eerie.
26:21
Both troubled since they were toddlers, both
26:23
repeatedly running away, both ending up in
26:25
danger on motorways, both
26:27
arrested as young teenagers.
26:30
In both of these cases, the NHS
26:32
and the council argued for months about
26:35
who was responsible for this child. Back
26:39
in 2017, Munby gave that strongly
26:41
worded judgment because he wanted someone
26:43
to do something. And lo
26:45
and behold, they did.
26:47
The case came back, I think, a few days
26:49
later. Miraculously, they'd
26:52
found the place. On
26:54
the one hand, from Ex's point of view, I was delighted.
26:58
On the wider front, I had severe misgivings
27:01
about it. For this reason,
27:04
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It's
27:53
hard to find out exactly how many other children
27:56
like Becky and Child Ex are out there. But
27:58
in the four years to 20... the number
28:01
of applications to deprive children of
28:03
their liberty more than quadrupled.
28:06
Based on numbers since last summer, the
28:08
Nuffield Family Justice Observatory predicts
28:11
that 1,300 children
28:13
will be subject to deprivation of liberty orders
28:16
over the course of the year.
28:17
So when judges who, you know, some of
28:19
the most senior judges in the country who oversee what's
28:22
happening to these very vulnerable,
28:25
complex children, they keep publishing
28:27
judgments that are literally screaming out for
28:29
help. Does it make any difference?
28:34
No. No,
28:37
it didn't translate into any
28:39
improvements whatsoever. Things have got worse.
28:42
They haven't got better. This is Mark
28:44
Carr, Deputy CEO of the Children's
28:46
Homes Association, which supports providers
28:49
of residential childcare.
28:51
I'd say the sector's probably at about 95% full. Certainly
28:58
the last 15 years or so, local
29:00
authorities have been given
29:02
significant increase in statutory duties
29:04
of what they have to do. But unfortunately,
29:07
the government just doesn't send the check to go with
29:09
it. Two of the core spending
29:11
areas are children's social care and adult social care.
29:14
Adult social care is much more political. They
29:18
vote. So actually funding
29:20
has been much more protected or
29:22
increased for adult social care. Children
29:25
in residential settings are just not
29:27
a priority for government and they're just not interested.
29:30
It's not just a lack of bricks and mortar.
29:32
Even
29:34
if there were enough homes, there is an
29:36
ongoing workforce crisis because people
29:39
can earn more at a supermarket than they
29:41
can looking after troubled kids. And
29:43
the sector is inherently precarious because
29:46
private providers can do as they please. One
29:49
of the biggest has just abruptly closed 28 residential
29:51
care homes because of market
29:54
challenges, leaving councils in a panic
29:56
and vulnerable children no option but
29:58
to move.
29:59
Add to this the fact that few people
30:02
running a business want to take on the risk of housing
30:04
a highly complex, volatile child.
30:07
They're really risky centres
30:11
to run. We know anecdotally
30:13
that the gaps that are there are
30:15
generally the fourth bed in the three bed home or something.
30:18
So you're that children's home manager, you've looked
30:20
at the referral, come through and you've
30:23
looked at that child and go, I cannot jeopardise
30:25
the progress that I've made with these three kids
30:28
by bringing in this potential grenade.
30:30
So where do children go when they can't
30:32
get secure accommodation that's registered with Ofsted
30:35
and regulated in terms of care standards?
30:36
Well, what
30:38
we discovered is that they end up in unregulated
30:41
accommodation, where there's no independent
30:43
oversight of skills, training or
30:45
standards, and no accountability
30:47
for the people in charge.
30:49
And we know there are children living,
30:51
we know there's some time
30:53
living being accommodated by those types of
30:55
children, took the unsuitable accommodation. But
30:58
like children living in
31:00
tents, there've been children living
31:02
in caravans, there've been children
31:04
living in all sorts of unsuitable accommodation.
31:06
That's right, tents and
31:09
caravans. Other sources
31:11
told me they'd come across vulnerable children living
31:13
in chalets, holiday lets, even
31:16
on barges. Children
31:18
end up in places like this because there
31:20
is simply nothing else.
31:23
And because these children often need supervision
31:26
by several adults 24 hours a day,
31:29
providers charge the councils stupefying
31:32
sums, a cost that is borne
31:34
by the taxpayer. And there's
31:36
little option but to pay up because otherwise,
31:38
these most vulnerable of children
31:41
would have nowhere at all to go.
31:44
So I've just had a response back from the Department
31:46
for Education. This is my producer
31:48
again, Patricia, and she's been collecting
31:51
data about the severity of the situation. And
31:53
they did respond to some of my questions,
31:56
but crucially, they
31:58
admitted that they don't actually know. how many children
32:01
have ended up in unregistered, unregulated
32:03
accommodation. They
32:05
just don't collect that data. So Patricia
32:07
tried local councils individually. So
32:10
that's over 170 councils in England
32:12
and Wales. And I asked them how
32:14
long on average children have had to wait over
32:16
the past two years for a secure, regulated
32:18
placement.
32:20
So they said the average was two and a half months. But
32:22
then there were eight councils where children waited
32:24
at least a year for a placement. And
32:27
a boy looked after by Sallahull Council waited
32:29
at least three years.
32:32
Months and years of waiting when
32:34
a child is already at crisis point. So
32:38
where are all the children going? So
32:40
when they're out of options, they sometimes send children
32:42
to Scotland. So in just two years,
32:45
at least 61 children from England
32:47
and Wales have been sent up to Scotland
32:50
because there's nowhere else for them to go here.
32:53
So that means children are sometimes hundreds
32:55
of miles from their families. I mean, in one case, three
32:58
children were sent from Devon all
33:00
the way to Scotland, which is a nine hour journey just
33:02
to the border.
33:03
Herefordshire Council sent 11 children
33:06
in two years to Scotland.
33:08
If they're not lucky enough to get a regulated placement
33:10
in Scotland, hundreds of miles from family and friends,
33:13
well, they end up in unregulated placements.
33:16
And it costs a bomb. As the replies
33:18
trickled in, Patricia and I stared
33:21
at the sums. Trafford Borough
33:23
Council spent half a million pounds on a
33:25
single child over 40 weeks.
33:26
Other councils gave
33:28
us fees of £20,000, £30,000, £40,000 a week. That
33:33
wasn't unusual. The highest we found
33:35
was £62,000 a week. Every
33:38
year, that's £3.2 million. And
33:40
then we came to the most disturbing
33:43
answers of all. Finally, we
33:45
decided to ask the government how many children
33:47
had died
33:47
in these unregulated settings. And
33:50
they told us that they didn't know. They don't collect
33:52
that data centrally. But we
33:54
found out that in the last five years, at
33:57
least nine children have died in these unregistered
33:59
and uninsurgable settings. with at least
34:01
four of those deaths being children who killed themselves.
34:04
And that includes a 13-year-old boy. At
34:07
least nine child deaths. And
34:10
that's a conservative estimate, because some
34:12
councils refuse to answer the question and
34:14
many wouldn't be precise on the numbers.
34:18
When children in crisis aren't given the help
34:20
they need, inevitably they
34:22
will get worse. Becky
34:24
has. So did Chardex.
34:27
So is it any surprise that children
34:30
are dying in unregulated accommodation?
34:32
Here's Mark Carr again.
34:34
This is a political choice. Where
34:36
we are is a political choice. There's no denying that.
34:39
The only thing about spending and resources
34:42
is a decision made by government.
34:43
And either we've
34:46
had over a decade of incompetence or
34:49
the situation we're in is by design.
34:51
He doesn't blame the local councils or the NHS,
34:54
at least not exclusively. He
34:56
says it's a matter for the Department for Education,
34:59
which holds overall responsibility for children's
35:01
social care. And so we tried
35:03
repeatedly to speak to the Department.
35:06
The person that Sandra
35:09
Macfarlane called out was Gillian Keegan, so I
35:11
tried to reach out to her.
35:13
We kept asking. And eventually
35:15
we got sent a press release telling us that
35:17
the government was banning unregulated accommodation
35:20
for young people in care aged 16
35:22
and over.
35:24
But with just 128 regulated
35:27
secure placements across the country, there's
35:29
still not enough to go round, not nearly.
35:32
And anyway, we didn't understand how regulating
35:34
accommodation post-16 would help Becky, who's
35:37
just turned 13.
35:39
So we pushed back asking for an interview or
35:41
for our specific questions to be answered.
35:44
That elicited a generic press background
35:46
statement which cited the £259 million which were
35:48
promised in the 2021 spending review.
35:53
But that money is for capital projects,
35:55
i.e. more buildings. It's not to pay
35:57
for trained and qualified staff who are experienced.
35:59
experienced at working with vulnerable children.
36:02
We were also sent an old quote by the children's
36:04
minister.
36:06
As a final push, we sent the Department
36:08
for Education our data on children killing
36:10
themselves in unregulated accommodation.
36:13
We sent them the cost of these placements and
36:15
the lengthy times they were having to wait.
36:18
We thought those figures would be so shocking
36:21
that they'd have to respond.
36:23
Eventually the press office said no to an interview.
36:26
They said they had nothing further to add.
36:33
Leaving aside for a moment the shocking data
36:35
we discovered, beyond the horror
36:37
of children killing themselves in unregulated homes
36:40
while in the care of the state, beyond even
36:42
the complacency of the government, it's
36:44
important to realise that secure accommodation,
36:47
when you can get it, is meant
36:49
to be a temporary measure to de-escalate
36:51
a child who is in a frightening crisis. That
36:54
means that these children need skilled
36:57
practitioners to care for them when they're spiralling.
37:00
And when they don't get what they need, when they need
37:02
it, they get worse.
37:05
No one is a better example
37:07
of that than Child X.
37:11
After Sir James Mumbie's judgement was published,
37:13
almost immediately a paediatric mental
37:16
health placement was found for Child X. Her
37:18
mother has nothing but praise for the care she
37:21
received there, and she says that X
37:23
improved.
37:24
But it was a placement
37:26
in a unit for children, and
37:28
Child X had just turned 17. As
37:31
she approached her 18th birthday, she
37:33
was discharged home. And
37:36
then, seven months later, another
37:38
crisis.
37:40
Child X self-harmed to a terrifying
37:42
degree, and ended up sectioned in
37:44
a secure adult mental health unit.
37:48
Today she's in Rampton, one of the three
37:50
top security psychiatric hospitals in the
37:52
country.
37:55
Usually people end up in Rampton because they've
37:57
committed a terrible crime.
37:59
But Child X isn't I didn't
38:01
want her around the kind of people that
38:03
are there. So what kind of people are there? There
38:06
was paedophiles there,
38:08
convicted paedophiles and
38:10
murderers. The
38:12
craze were in there at one point and
38:15
other people like that. And
38:17
that's not the kind of place that a young
38:19
girl with ASD
38:22
and problems like that should be around people
38:24
like that. Because of
38:26
her heart and lung failure, Sylvia can't walk for
38:29
more than about three minutes. She hasn't
38:31
been able to visit Chardex for months.
38:33
Instead, her daughter writes her letters.
38:36
I can't see properly. My eyes
38:38
are so bad. She can't write very
38:40
well. But she's getting
38:42
there. She's going to education.
38:44
And I mean, her
38:46
writing's not very... If
38:50
you can see it. Yeah. Can I have a look? Yeah.
38:54
Hello, ma'am. There's a red heart
38:56
in the corner with some kisses. I'm
38:58
writing to let you know I'm doing
39:00
well. I'm doing a story in
39:02
education for the kids. And I've
39:05
been reading lots of good books and they are very interesting.
39:08
And I
39:10
haven't read them in a long time. I'm
39:12
going to the shop and there's a lot of nice
39:14
stuff to buy. Like getting
39:17
stuff for you means a lot to me. When
39:20
I speak to you on the phone, it makes me
39:22
happy.
39:23
Love you lots. Miss
39:26
you to the moon
39:28
and back. Love, Lucy. Yeah. And
39:34
there are lots of kisses at the bottom. Yeah. I get at least one of
39:37
them a week, I do. As we're talking, Ex's sister Claire
39:39
walks in. She's 37 and
39:41
has taken over visiting
39:43
her sister and being what's known as her
39:45
nominated family member because of Sylvia's ill
39:47
health. And
39:51
her view of the situation is bleak.
39:55
I ask every single time will my sister
39:57
ever come home and they'll say she won't
39:59
be there. be here forever. So
40:02
it's not an infinite, it's not a definite answer I ever
40:04
get. It's a bit of like, it's
40:07
a bit of hope but there isn't a bit of hope. But
40:09
then the more research I've done and the more people I've
40:11
spoke to, they never come home
40:13
and the longer they're away, the more
40:15
damage is done.
40:17
Child X was 17 when the Munby
40:20
judgement came out.
40:21
Now she's 22 and after years of being
40:25
locked up and in isolation,
40:27
things seem no better for her.
40:29
I don't think Lucy would know what it is to
40:32
have a normal life now. She's never seen a £5 note.
40:35
Stuff like that.
40:36
How many places has she been
40:38
in since she was 17 do you think?
40:42
I don't know. Over 10.
40:46
Over 10? Yeah. And she keeps
40:48
getting moved because?
40:50
Yeah, we just don't know. We
40:53
don't know, it's like a loss. I
40:55
think she keeps getting moved because
40:57
they said they couldn't control, not controlable,
41:00
they didn't have enough specialised. Yes,
41:02
right. Because when they were in like, things
41:05
like restraints, she wouldn't stop.
41:07
It's inhuman. What's it done to
41:09
your family? It's destroyed us. And
41:12
that's when I'm past the responsibility onto me
41:14
because she can knock up. And I
41:16
mean she physically and mentally can knock up.
41:19
She cries and cries and cries and
41:21
because I'm like the eldest,
41:23
I don't want any mother sisters
41:25
to feel that as well. So I've took
41:27
it on. It's a lot, isn't it? It's
41:30
a hell of a lot.
41:32
As we're talking, Sylvia gets up to go for a cigarette.
41:34
Sorry, we'll just take him on to go out. I'm
41:37
addicted to cigarettes. You
41:39
did say, didn't you? Yeah, I know.
41:41
This is when Claire shares her fears for her sister. I
41:44
just know in my heart, when a mum comes back
41:46
in, that she won't get out until dying in hospital.
41:50
I know that in my heart. I have nightmares about
41:53
it.
41:54
I know it. I feel it.
41:55
It's a horrible thing
41:58
to have to have over your head. It
42:03
just feels like Becky is child ex
42:05
six years on. If she
42:07
doesn't get the expert help she needs, she's
42:10
going to get worse if it's not already
42:12
too late.
42:14
Her mum desperately wants her home, and
42:17
the judge does too I think when Becky's ready.
42:20
But recently something happened. Lydia
42:23
discovered she was pregnant. It
42:25
should have been happy news, this was a wanted
42:27
child. But the judge and
42:30
others were worried. I'm also cognisant
42:32
that the mother's now pregnant, which is
42:35
not going to make it easier, physically
42:37
or emotionally for Becky, and
42:40
as a physical risk for the mother.
42:42
Lydia soon understood this pregnancy
42:44
could easily mean Becky would never be allowed
42:46
home. And so at the
42:48
last hearing, her barrister informed the
42:51
court that she had decided to have an abortion.
42:54
And I watched through my computer screen
42:57
as the court fell silent.
43:03
I'm only doing it to get Becky home.
43:06
If Becky was home, I wouldn't even think
43:08
about termination. At this
43:10
point, we'd arranged to go and interview Lydia, but
43:12
the situation had just become too difficult.
43:15
It would have been the week of the termination.
43:18
After it was done, she messaged me.
43:21
Still in quite some discomfort,
43:24
I was quite far into the pregnancy. It's
43:27
something that will be with me for
43:29
life.
43:31
I'm just focusing on getting Becky home. I
43:33
can't lose two kids because of social services.
43:38
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