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Hello, it's Basha here and you're listening to the
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slow newscast from Tautus. Now,
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there are moments in every country when you can
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feel the political mood harden into
1:00
something specific. And we've
1:02
known for a while, since the previous Conservative
1:05
government under Boris Johnson, that the
1:07
small boats crisis, the number of migrants
1:10
and asylum seekers arriving on Britain's shores
1:12
was going to be a key political
1:14
issue. But it wasn't until a new
1:17
plan was announced, the Rwanda deal,
1:19
that a new front line in British politics
1:22
locked into place. has been
1:24
much reporting in the British press about
1:26
how and why Rwanda. But in this week's
1:28
slow newscast, my colleagues Will Brown, Patricia
1:31
Clarke and Rebecca Moore investigate
1:33
the cost of such a deal to Rwandans,
1:35
to freedom of speech and to our principles.
1:38
And they start with the mysterious death of
1:40
a journalist just weeks ago.
1:43
It's an honour to be back
1:45
in Rwanda and I want
1:47
to put on record my deep thanks
1:49
to you personally and your
1:52
officials for the incredibly
1:54
constructive partnership
1:57
that we have secured.
2:01
Last month, the British Home Secretary,
2:03
Suwela Bratman, flew to Kigali, the
2:05
capital of Rwanda. She
2:07
was there to sell the small East African
2:09
nation as a solution to a problem.
2:12
A problem that had become urgent and
2:15
was now at the top of her Conservative government's
2:17
agenda. The small boats crisis.
2:20
The British people deserve to
2:22
know which party is serious about
2:25
stopping the invasion
2:27
on our southern coast and
2:30
which party is not. That's
2:33
how her government was characterising the surge
2:36
in the number of asylum seekers and migrants
2:38
arriving on Britain's shores in inflatable
2:40
dinghies, from countries like Iran,
2:43
Afghanistan and Albania.
2:46
Migrant detention centres were in disarray,
2:48
full and facing outbreaks of disease. Politicians
2:51
were angry about asylum seekers being
2:53
housed in expensive hotels. The
2:55
system was broken. Rwanda,
2:59
we were being told, was the solution.
3:02
You might have seen a picture of Sowela
3:05
Bravenman that went viral online. She's
3:07
standing in front of a new detention center in Kigali,
3:10
where she hopes to send Britain's asylum seekers.
3:13
Her head is thrown back in a hearty laugh.
3:16
She looks elated. I
3:18
sincerely believe that
3:20
this world-leading partnership between
3:24
two allies and two friends, the United
3:27
Kingdom and Rwanda will
3:29
lead the way in finding
3:31
a solution which is both humanitarian
3:35
and compassionate. There is a real
3:37
opportunity here to resettle
3:39
people in safe
3:41
and secure environments. But a few weeks
3:44
before the Home Secretary landed, just
3:46
a couple of miles from the new detention centre,
3:49
something happened.
3:50
Something that reveals a side of
3:52
the Rwanda that the The UK government does not
3:55
want the British public to see, a
3:57
side that flies in the face of any
3:59
nation�
4:00
that the country is safe
4:02
or compassionate.
4:05
This
4:11
is John Williams Twally, a renowned
4:13
journalist who had been covering Rwanda for
4:15
decades. He
4:17
was a rarity, one of the
4:19
few local journalists who dared to go up
4:21
against the 30-year regime of
4:23
the Rwandan president,
4:25
a man called Paul Kagame. I'm
4:28
focused on justice, human
4:30
rights and advocacy. And
4:33
I know all those three areas are
4:35
risky here in Rwanda, but I'm
4:38
committed to.
4:40
John reported on corruption, torture
4:42
and lies,
4:43
the bulldozing of poorer neighbourhoods and
4:45
the court trials of other journalists like him
4:48
who dared to go against official narratives.
4:51
He was a fierce guy and he
4:53
didn't fear anyone, But the
4:56
kind of work that he was doing,
4:59
I had really no doubt that
5:01
he's going to be in trouble.
5:04
In January, John
5:06
died. He was 44 years
5:09
old. The Rwandan authorities
5:11
say it was a car crash in the middle of the night
5:14
near the city centre. But
5:16
the people who knew John and have worked
5:18
in the country have their doubts. They
5:20
think it's unlikely it was an accident.
5:22
In
5:24
his last international interview,
5:26
John spoke out about the dangers of being
5:28
a journalist in his country. Those who
5:30
try to speak out, they are
5:32
jailed, harassed, intimidated or
5:34
jailed. Second, forced
5:38
to free the country. Three,
5:41
some of them disappear in a
5:43
thin air. Or
5:45
even they die.
5:52
I'm Will Brown and you're listening to the
5:54
slow newscast from Tortoise.
5:57
John
6:00
Williams Twaly went largely ignored
6:02
in the UK, particularly by
6:04
our politicians. But his death tells
6:07
us everything we need to know about our relationship
6:09
with our friends and allies in Rwanda. What
6:13
is the UK government prepared to look away
6:15
from to get this policy through?
6:19
They also made it
6:21
clear that if I don't live, it's
6:25
most likely that I'm going to be eliminated.
6:28
People don't forgive and they don't
6:30
forget. That's the nature
6:33
of my country.
6:47
No
6:47
one is aspiring to become a journalist, to become
6:49
rich in Rwanda. They're doing it out
6:51
of real love for the trade and a real love
6:54
to ask difficult questions, hold
6:57
leaders accountable. That's
7:00
hard to do in any context in
7:02
this day and age, but it's particularly
7:04
hard in Rwanda.
7:08
This is Louis Mudge, Central Africa
7:10
Director at the NGO Human Rights Watch.
7:13
Louis was based in Kigali, and he spoke
7:15
regularly to John Williams Twali.
7:17
I'll always remember him as someone
7:20
with a microphone talking to very poor people,
7:22
living in these, what some people
7:25
refer to as slums, in Kigali
7:27
and really giving them a voice to explain
7:29
why they didn't want to be forced out of their homes
7:32
and why they felt they had a right to stay there.
7:36
Lewis is not allowed back to Rwanda anymore.
7:38
He was kicked out. In fact, he's the third
7:40
human rights watch researcher to be expelled for criticising
7:43
the government since 2008.
7:45
Rwanda is not an easy place to
7:47
work.
7:48
The defining moment in the country's history came
7:51
in 1994, when
7:52
decades of divide and rule tactics
7:55
among the country's two main ethnicities, the
7:57
Hutu majority and the Tutsi minority.
8:00
descended into genocide.
8:07
It was a slaughter on an unimaginable
8:10
scale. Hutu extremists
8:12
had been told that tutsis were little better
8:14
than cockroaches
8:16
and were to be eliminated like
8:18
pests. Around 800,000 tutsis
8:22
and moderate Hutus were massacred over 100
8:25
days with clubs,
8:27
guns and machetes. We're
8:30
exposed to death every
8:32
day and night. It's
8:36
disparationally red on all the faces
8:38
here. A calamity of such epic
8:41
proportions, so massive in size
8:43
and scope, the truth of it is
8:45
far beyond journalism's reach.
8:49
From the ashes, Rwanda seemed to mount
8:51
an extraordinary recovery.
8:53
on the outside, at least.
8:56
Nearly 30 years later in the capital,
8:58
everything feels big and shiny and new. Wide
9:01
litter-free streets, towering offices,
9:04
with a network of buses that run like clockwork,
9:06
and a parliament where ever 60% of the
9:08
MPs are women. The
9:10
country has become a darling of the international
9:12
community. It's held up as a shining
9:15
example of what billions of dollars of
9:17
Western aid money can do. But
9:19
there are things you simply can't touch
9:22
as a journalist.
9:23
You cannot criticise senior officials. You
9:25
cannot write about corruption or abuses
9:28
by the regime. But
9:30
John was the editor of a news outlet called The Chronicles,
9:33
and the news website's heading says it
9:35
all, serving your right to
9:37
know the truth. He also
9:39
had a YouTube channel called PAX TV, which
9:42
broadcast reports in the local Kinjawanda
9:44
language. He said this was
9:46
where he could do his boldest reporting.
9:49
Of course, if one works with a TV
9:51
or a radio station, anyone that is easily
9:54
to interfere with them, to cancel them
9:56
or to even censor
9:58
what they have been doing.
10:00
In those videos, he'd often be reporting
10:03
in his characteristic frameless glasses
10:05
and small goatee. His channel
10:07
got about two million hits a year, an impressive
10:09
audience considering there are only about 15 million
10:12
Kinjirawanda speakers in the world.
10:15
Friends tell me that John was motivated
10:17
to be a journalist because of the genocide.
10:20
He wanted to hold the powerful to account, to
10:23
make sure people could never be manipulated
10:25
in the same way again.
10:27
The man actually who used to be
10:29
the husband to my auntie
10:33
is the one who killed her and he
10:36
killed also his kids, two
10:38
children,
10:39
because he believed that they
10:41
have a tootsie blood in
10:44
them. And
10:46
so,
10:47
yeah, he killed them
10:49
anyway. Yeah. So
10:52
that's the whole background. That's the whole
10:55
pain of the country. the country,
10:59
that's part of our history as
11:01
Rwandans. So
11:04
growing up
11:05
in this kind of environment, you
11:08
really want to do something that
11:11
can help, can change
11:13
the history. This
11:15
is Fred Mavuny,
11:17
another Rwandan journalist and a friend of John's.
11:21
John
11:23
and Fred both thought that journalism
11:25
was the thing they could do to help.
11:27
There were certain areas
11:30
of media that people couldn't
11:33
dare go to, and
11:36
that was politics and human rights. He was
11:39
a journalist already, and one of those
11:42
fearless journalists that we had
11:44
at the time, We
11:47
struggled. We first,
11:50
I mean, have been arrested.
11:53
God knows how many times in Rwanda,
11:56
all intimidated by security organs
11:59
because you're trying.
12:00
to push, so-called pushing the
12:02
limits. We walk along
12:04
the edge knowing that at the
12:06
time, you know, it could go south
12:09
and it's over. But
12:11
John found a way to cope with the constant
12:13
threats he faced. He was
12:15
a funny guy. He used
12:18
to tell jokes and even difficult
12:21
ones like getting
12:23
killed. And John
12:26
will still find words to
12:30
make those words even smooth
12:32
and funny. You feel like, you
12:34
know, you're just doing this. You're in danger.
12:36
But it's OK. You
12:39
know, this is the word we live in. He
12:41
was a professional. As
12:44
a human being, of course, I mean, he was
12:48
so friendly. Every time I
12:50
wanted to talk to him, I could find
12:53
him. He was never too busy
12:55
to have
12:55
time for me. It's
12:58
clear though that John had a keen sense of the
13:00
line he was walking. I had really
13:02
no doubt that he's going to
13:04
be in trouble. I had no doubt
13:07
that he's going to be in trouble. Not just
13:09
what I saw in the media
13:12
being
13:14
threatened that he will be eliminated.
13:19
Eliminated. It really strikes
13:21
me to hear Fred say that word,
13:23
to use the language of the genocide 30 years
13:26
later.
13:28
He had been threatened on numerous occasions before
13:30
his death. He was told face to face
13:32
by
13:33
people who said they were intelligence agents, that
13:35
he had to stop being so critical that,
13:38
well, why can't you focus on the good
13:40
things that are happening in this country?
13:44
The Rwandan
13:44
authorities say that John
13:46
died in a motorbike accident on an unidentified
13:49
road near the centre of Kigali at
13:51
around 2.50am on January 18th. In
13:55
the few details released, they say a speeding
13:57
car hit the motorbike from behind, knocking
14:00
looking John to the ground.
14:02
But the other details are sketchy. Nothing
14:04
about the case seems to add up.
14:07
In Rwanda, if you are
14:09
deemed as critical, there
14:12
is, curiously, the
14:14
odds of you having an accident go
14:17
up.
14:18
The only way for John,
14:21
like his future was
14:23
pretty defined and delineated. It was either
14:26
like shut up and cross your fingers,
14:30
leave the country, get
14:32
arrested or have an accident.
14:35
Shortly before his death, John told his
14:37
friends he was terrified. One person
14:40
told me he was too scared to leave the house
14:42
after dark or to use a motorbike
14:44
taxi. So why
14:46
did he end up on a motorbike taxi
14:49
in the dead of night?
14:50
Then, while John apparently died
14:53
immediately of his wounds, the driver
14:55
walked away with only a mild shoulder injury.
14:58
The trial was held with no
15:00
independent observers or journalists present.
15:03
The road where he supposedly died was named,
15:06
but their exact location was not.
15:10
This is Kigali. I mean, I think a
15:12
lot of people might, who aren't familiar
15:15
with Central Africa or Rwanda, might think
15:17
that this is a very third world,
15:19
poor city. It's not.
15:22
Kigali has CCTV
15:24
cameras all over the city.
15:27
This is a city that's very,
15:29
very well surveilled. And
15:32
to have had an accident involving
15:34
someone of this profile happen under
15:37
shady circumstances, and then
15:39
to have had this closed-door trial
15:41
in which nothing about the actual
15:44
circumstances of his death has come out, frankly,
15:47
for folks like myself, only leads
15:49
to more questions and answers. A
15:52
medical report was vaguely referenced
15:55
in the verdict, but
15:56
the details about who carried out the autopsy
15:59
and the report into his
16:00
death have not been released.
16:02
John is not the only Rwandan to be targeted
16:04
for not toeing the line. In 2021,
16:07
a YouTuber was jailed for humiliating
16:09
state officials. A journalist was charged
16:11
with disseminating propaganda and a university
16:13
lecturer imprisoned after posting
16:16
critical videos online.
16:18
John Williams' Twili's death means that
16:20
one of the last critical voices in Rwanda
16:22
is gone.
16:24
We don't know how he died, but his death
16:26
feels to Fred and to others like
16:28
a message.
16:30
Fred knows the ins and outs of the whole system.
16:33
He used to run the Rwanda Media Commission,
16:35
a group campaigning for more independent media,
16:37
which has now ceased to exist.
16:40
I've received threats, death threats
16:43
as well. I've had the
16:45
police. Here I
16:47
was investigating people chasing
16:51
me. Every time I did
16:53
my job as a journalist, some of the
16:56
government people, including ministers
16:58
and some of the, from
17:01
the intelligence services,
17:04
they were not happy. And
17:08
yeah, they initially, there
17:10
were plans to have me arrested
17:13
and then they
17:14
were also, when
17:16
the arrest was not probably
17:19
the best idea, they were talking about
17:22
how to emanate me. There's
17:26
that word again, eliminate. Fred
17:29
worked with that word hanging over his head for
17:31
years.
17:34
John and Fred had parallel lives until
17:37
one crucial moment, a decision
17:39
to leave or stay. That
17:41
happened in 2014. The
17:43
BBC aired a documentary questioning
17:46
their official narrative around the genocide. President
17:49
Polkegami disagreed with their line and
17:52
tried to ban the BBC from Rwanda. Fred
17:55
Mavunyay stood up to the government on the issue.
17:58
That was when, according to... On
18:00
his account, he found out through security
18:02
contacts that there was a plan to
18:04
eliminate him. He
18:07
decided to flee his home in the middle of the night
18:10
and run for his life across the border into
18:12
Uganda.
18:13
I was like,
18:14
OK, this is going beyond
18:17
the
18:18
usual threads. This
18:20
is serious. And they also made
18:23
it clear that if I don't leave, it's
18:28
most likely that I'm going to be eliminated.
18:31
But
18:31
while he got away with his life, in
18:33
exile, he lost everything. I
18:35
left my son,
18:37
I left my family, my parents,
18:39
my siblings. So I only
18:42
left alone, so on my own. And
18:46
since then, I've never
18:48
went back. I've lost relatives
18:50
that I never had a chance to
18:53
say goodbye to them who died.
18:55
My son was
18:58
six years when I left and now he's
19:01
turning 14. I'm not in his
19:03
life in practical way or
19:06
emotional way and he's not
19:08
in mine. Then I've also left
19:11
the media fraternity that I worked
19:13
for. Some of
19:15
them have died, others have been
19:17
killed, detained. So
19:21
the cultural,
19:23
everything that forms a human
19:26
being and makes us
19:28
who we are, I left
19:30
them. You know, I left them, I don't have
19:33
them. I don't have my son.
19:36
I don't have the
19:38
community that I deserve to have.
19:41
So I left everything.
19:44
In one word, I left everything.
19:46
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ago, where
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John Williams Twally died in suspicious
21:18
circumstances two months ago,
21:20
is the same country British politicians are
21:22
praising as as a tolerant and compassionate
21:25
haven.
21:26
This is the same country the UK
21:28
is now paying 140 million pounds
21:30
to,
21:31
to house asylum seekers and more
21:33
UK tax money is on the way.
21:35
Working with our friends in Rwanda, the
21:38
people who come here will be resettled to live
21:40
a safe and secure life. That's the
21:42
humane approach and that's
21:45
the compassionate
21:45
approach.
21:47
The deal was announced in April, 2022.
21:50
It goes like this.
21:51
Until at least 2027, Britain
21:54
gets to send several hundred people
21:56
a year to Rwanda for processing, asylum
21:59
and resettlement. The
22:01
Conservative Party gets to say
22:03
it's being tough on migration to its voter base.
22:06
Rwanda gets a big pot of cash,
22:08
legitimacy, political capital and
22:11
the backing of a permanent member of the UN
22:13
Security Council. But
22:14
since it was announced nearly a year ago, not
22:17
a single plane has taken off with an
22:19
asylum seeker on board because of legal
22:21
wranglings in the UK High Court. But
22:24
that hasn't stopped this government's investment
22:26
in the plan.
22:27
I've been incredibly impressed with
22:30
my visit today both to
22:32
meet local
22:34
innovators and entrepreneurs and
22:36
to see the job creation and the wealth creation
22:39
going on in the vibrant economy of Rwanda
22:41
but also to the Buiza estate
22:45
and to see the extensive
22:48
construction work which is being
22:51
rolled out some of which
22:53
will be used for
22:55
the resettlement
22:57
and integration of migrants.
23:00
But there have been plenty of criticisms. The
23:03
Archbishop of Canterbury has described the plan
23:05
as ungodly, and human rights activists
23:07
say it tears up the very refugee conventions
23:10
that Britain helped to forge after the Holocaust.
23:14
But
23:14
this is what I can't understand.
23:16
How can the government say this
23:18
is a safe country for asylum seekers,
23:21
who are often political dissidents themselves
23:24
when
23:24
they are more than aware of what's
23:26
happening to people like John and
23:28
Fred. Hi,
23:30
how are you doing? Hi, alright. I've
23:32
come to meet Michaela Rong. I love your masks. Yeah,
23:35
yeah. These are from Rwanda, obviously. The
23:41
walls in her apartment are lined with books about
23:43
Africa, as well as masks and wooden
23:45
sculptures. She's collected them all
23:47
over her 30 years travelling back and forth
23:50
to the continent as a writer and reporter.
23:53
Michaela
23:53
was there in Rwanda in 1994, reporting
23:56
on the genocide. There's
23:58
always been a love in. between
24:00
British politicians and Kagame,
24:03
ever since the genocide. There
24:05
was a feeling of tremendous guilt
24:07
that we hadn't been there, the international
24:10
community hadn't been there to stop the genocide
24:12
in its tracks. And so there
24:14
was a feeling of, oh my goodness, we did nothing,
24:16
now we must make up for it. Since the
24:18
genocide, the UK has sent hundreds
24:20
of millions of pounds in aid to Rwanda. And
24:24
a recipient of all that attention,
24:26
goodwill and money was President
24:28
Paul Kagame,
24:29
a former intelligence officer from the Tutsi minority
24:32
background.
24:33
He led the guerrilla rebels, known as
24:35
the Rwandan Patriotic Front, into
24:37
the country to end the killing back in 1994. He's
24:40
been in office since then for almost 30
24:43
years and he has a golden reputation
24:45
in the UK. Paul Gagami was the
24:47
man who pulled Rwanda out of the Abyss
24:49
and built a thriving economy out of
24:52
the ruins.
24:53
Rwanda's undergone the most
24:55
traumatic time, obviously, because
24:57
of the genocide that was here, it's then rebuilt itself
25:00
as a country. Britain, when I was
25:02
prime minister, played a significant
25:04
part in helping that process. And
25:07
the President of Rwanda is someone I've got a lot of respect
25:09
for, a lot of time for, and I think he has
25:12
got a vision for the country now. There's
25:14
no doubt that Pukagami is a titan
25:17
of African history.
25:18
However, Michaela Rong says the West has
25:20
been naive about his regime.
25:23
Rwanda is this miracle country.
25:26
It's got incredible growth
25:28
rates. It's the cleanest place in Africa.
25:30
It's the Switzerland of Africa. There's
25:33
no rubbish on the ground. There are no plastic
25:35
bags in the street, even cigarette butts.
25:38
She has heard the stereotypes countless times,
25:40
but she says it obscures the truth.
25:43
The more critical stuff like, well, yes, but
25:45
it doesn't have a free press. Look
25:47
where its opposition leaders are. What about
25:50
all these assassinations? What about all this
25:52
intimidation. What about all these people
25:54
who are in jail or who fled the country?
25:56
None of that really seems to have any traction because
25:59
you just see the same
26:00
stereotypes being rolled
26:02
out every time his name is mentioned. The
26:05
Rwandan authorities claim that
26:07
Pukugami won 99% of the vote in 2017.
26:11
The one before that was 97%. Before
26:13
that, it was 99% again. There
26:16
is no doubt that the president is popular
26:18
in Rwanda, but a system of oppression
26:21
at home and abroad, which has seen the
26:23
regime's opponents end up dead or
26:25
behind bars, has allowed the government
26:27
to control the narrative.
26:30
Rwanda sells itself at the International
26:32
Monetary Fund and at investors' conferences
26:34
in Western capitals
26:36
as an economic miracle.
26:38
On paper, it looks like the aid that the UK
26:40
and others in the West sent after
26:42
the genocide really worked.
26:45
It's a feel-good story for everyone giving
26:47
cash. If you really want
26:49
to check this economy's pulse, the
26:51
bustling streets of downtown Kigali are
26:54
a good place to start. A
26:56
far cry from the ruined city it was. The
26:59
Rwandan government claims that his economy
27:01
has expanded by around 8% a year
27:03
for more than a decade. That poverty
27:05
has declined sharply because of state programs.
27:08
Michaela Rong isn't social. I
27:10
think what I often say to people is, if
27:12
you are dealing with a dictatorship, you
27:15
should regard every statistic that comes
27:17
out of a dictatorship as inherently
27:19
suspect. While
27:21
there has been extraordinary progress
27:23
since 1994, The brutal source
27:26
that much of Kigali's wealth is plain
27:28
to see just a few hours drive across the border
27:31
in the Democratic Republic of Congo. DRC
27:33
has huge mineral reserves,
27:36
but many of the mines in the east are run
27:38
by Rwandan-controlled militias. R
27:52
across the region for more than a year, forcing
27:54
about 600,000 of the poorest people on Earth to
27:58
flee their homes. Rwanda
28:00
denies any involvement, but the United
28:02
Nations experts and the US have
28:04
condemned it for supporting and arming M23
28:06
rebels.
28:07
When something similar happened in 2012,
28:10
Britain condemned Rwanda and cut off
28:12
aid money until it withdrew its militias.
28:15
A decade on, it's a different
28:17
story. Now the
28:19
UK is turning to Rwanda. I
28:21
would love to be having a front
28:24
page of the telegraph with a plane
28:27
taking off to Rwanda. That's my dream.
28:30
And now, a journalist is dead. But
28:32
rather than respond with strong condemnation
28:35
and call for proper investigation into
28:37
what happened to John Williams Twiley,
28:39
the British government has sent one of its top politicians
28:42
to extol the virtues of the Rwandan
28:44
regime. Rwanda
28:47
is dynamic. Rwanda is welcoming.
28:50
Rwanda has a
28:52
tradition of providing humanitarian support
28:55
of a high quality. the housing
28:58
project that we visited.
29:01
That story that Michaela Rong mentioned,
29:04
the one of Rwanda, as a plucky
29:07
country fighting to recover from the genocide,
29:10
it was carefully created by Paul Kagame
29:13
and it's been honed over the years. I
29:15
was
29:15
trying to bring to the attention
29:18
of everybody the importance of
29:20
being together as a nation. At
29:22
the end of the day, we have to bring our energies together
29:25
for the common good of the the country instead of breaking
29:27
it apart as we have already experienced. So we've
29:30
learned lessons from that. It isn't just a story,
29:32
we are told it's also a life we have lived. And
29:34
UK politicians?
29:36
Well,
29:37
ever since New Labour in the 90s,
29:39
they've been drinking the Kool-Aid. But
29:42
this fascination with Paul Kagame's Rwanda
29:44
was supercharged when the Conservative
29:47
Party took over in 2010.
29:49
One man who is key to understanding this is
29:52
Andrew Mitchell, a senior conservative MP
29:54
who currently serves as Foreign Office Minister
29:56
for Development and Africa.
29:58
of Kagame for
30:01
years, repeatedly defending
30:03
the regime. The
30:05
truth is that President Kagame rescued
30:08
his country while the world looked the other way
30:11
and has built a stable and strong
30:13
state. This is a country that was destroyed by
30:15
violence, where neighbour killed neighbour, and
30:17
he's stopped that. He's built an economy that is strong.
30:20
Virtually all children now go to school in Rwanda,
30:23
and as I say, huge numbers have been lifted out
30:25
of poverty. He's
30:27
been taking almost £40,000 a year in
30:29
consultancy fees from Southbridge, a
30:32
Rwandan investment bank for nine
30:34
days' work.
30:36
Southbridge is run by Pulgagami's
30:39
old right-hand man and finance minister.
30:42
Andrew Mitchell says he stopped taking money
30:44
from the bank when he rejoined government in
30:46
October, but a senior British diplomat
30:49
working on Africa once described him
30:51
to me as Rwanda's man in parliament.
30:54
We asked Andrew Mitchell to discuss why
30:56
he took tens of thousands of pounds every
30:58
year from a man so clearly linked
31:01
to an authoritarian regime.
31:03
He declined to speak, but he did issue
31:05
the following statement. My close friendship
31:08
with this remarkable country which has some of the best
31:10
development outcomes in the world enables
31:12
me to have frank discussions on all matters
31:14
and support the development, economic
31:17
and security interests we jointly share.
31:19
It is slightly disappointing that the success
31:22
story of aid and development in Rwanda
31:24
isn't more worthy of your scrutiny.
31:27
He also set up Project Umibano,
31:30
a charity which took various conservative
31:32
MPs out to Rwanda.
31:34
And of course, anyone who does that and goes
31:36
to Rwanda and is then immediately taken
31:38
to the genocide memorial sites and
31:41
goes to see the guerrillas and bombs with the
31:43
people that they're working with, they come back and they
31:45
have swallowed the narrative. They have swallowed
31:48
the Rwandan government's line and
31:50
what happened in the past. So Project
31:52
Umibano has been a great way
31:55
of propagating the RPF narrative
31:58
to the Conservative party.
32:00
One of those starry-eyed political tourists
32:03
was then Conservative election candidate
32:05
and former barrister, Sohala Brafman. I'm
32:07
pleased to welcome the Home Secretary
32:09
to Rwanda, and I should say, actually
32:12
I should say
32:13
back to Rwanda because you have been here
32:16
some years ago in another
32:18
capacity. The woman who had
32:20
become Home Secretary travelled to the country
32:23
in 2008 and 2010,
32:25
and later co-founded a charity that
32:28
cooperated with the government in Kigali and
32:30
trained lawyers now working inside
32:32
Rwanda's Justice Ministry.
32:34
More than a dozen serving and future
32:36
MPs were on the same trip as Braverman
32:39
in 2008,
32:40
including the second most powerful man
32:42
in government today, Chancellor Jeremy
32:44
Hunt. Thanks
32:45
to Andrew Mitchell's efforts, Rwanda's
32:48
image was set. The
32:49
country was a partner,
32:51
an easy win,
32:52
a good news story. And
32:55
so, more than a decade on, here
32:57
we are. There is a real opportunity here
33:00
to resettle people in
33:02
safe and secure environments where they
33:05
can lead a prosperous and healthy
33:07
life. We have done a lot
33:09
of work at Tortoise to understand how the asylum
33:11
deal with Rwanda came about.
33:13
My colleagues produced an episode of this podcast
33:16
called Hostile Environment
33:18
that went inside the home office to understand the
33:20
deal. What they found was
33:22
not a carefully designed plan. Rwanda
33:25
was one of dozens of countries that the UK approached,
33:28
but it was the only one which agreed. We
33:30
have just had a good meeting where we discuss
33:32
our migration and economic-run partnership.
33:36
These innovative... Looking back over
33:38
the decade of interactions between senior
33:41
Conservative Party members and the Kagame
33:43
government, it comes as no surprise
33:46
that when Rwanda said it was willing,
33:48
the UK received it favourably. Kagame,
33:52
he knows what he's doing. I mean, that's political
33:54
transaction. You know, he does them
33:57
a favor, they do him a favor.
34:00
in one way or the other. They
34:02
won't criticise him, they won't criticise
34:04
his policies. So that's how
34:07
it works, and that's terrible,
34:09
unfortunately.
34:11
A fundamental part of Pukagami's staying
34:14
power is his army of PR-savvy
34:17
officials. Their
34:18
attack lines are well-rehearsed and
34:20
designed to play on Western guilt.
34:22
This relationship that we're getting
34:25
into with the UK, this migration and
34:27
economic development partnership, It's
34:29
going to be resourced. Well, resourced, there's
34:32
a lot of opportunity in Rwanda.
34:33
This is government spokesperson
34:35
Yolande McCullough speaking to Channel 4
34:37
News in 2021.
34:39
She says arguments against the deal stem
34:42
from racist colonial attitudes
34:44
and that critics of the Rwandan government are
34:47
looking down at a system that broadly works.
34:49
Rwanda is not the UK, it's
34:52
not the US. Even these countries
34:54
have their own issues. We're all
34:56
working to unite our people. We're not going
34:58
to mimic a system of government
35:01
that is also imperfect. We
35:03
have a system that works for us.
35:05
Some of Yolande Mccollough's language
35:07
might sound familiar.
35:09
It's a narrative that's been repeated by Suela
35:11
Brabman and the Conservative Party over
35:14
and over again.
35:16
I think there has been far too much
35:20
prejudice, frankly, snobbery
35:24
amongst the critics, who
35:27
most of whom haven't even visited Rwanda.
35:31
What this carefully constructed narrative doesn't
35:33
include is the death of John Williams
35:35
Toile.
35:36
It doesn't include the pattern of death,
35:39
torture and exile at the hands of
35:41
the Rwandan regime.
35:42
So why is the UK parroting the
35:44
line of a dictatorship? You
35:48
forgive me because I'm really emotional
35:50
on this. maybe I won't even make sense,
35:53
yeah, sense about what I'm saying.
35:56
But I see this as another
35:59
sort of...
36:00
slave trade. Like
36:02
this transaction between the UK
36:05
and Rwanda, the amount of money
36:07
the UK government is giving to Rwanda
36:09
to take human beings, to
36:12
take care of human beings. So
36:15
that itself kills me to
36:18
the core that it's
36:21
not acceptable in 21st
36:23
century. I think Kagame was
36:26
recent, he was right.
36:31
One journalist did ask him
36:33
about this issue and how
36:36
the human rights record in Rwanda is so
36:38
terrible. And Kagame
36:40
responded, but you guys,
36:43
who are you to
36:45
actually question this? Who
36:47
are you to
36:49
even teach me about human rights? Because
36:51
you have no respect of human rights.
36:54
As an example, you're
36:56
shipping people who are running
36:59
to you,
37:00
you're shipping them to me.
37:05
Fred Mavenie knows better than anyone
37:07
else what it's like to flee your home and
37:10
leave everything and everyone you
37:12
love behind. He still
37:14
waits in exile in the hope that he
37:16
will see his family again.
37:18
But this asylum deal isn't actually
37:20
about people like him.
37:22
It's not about finding a compassionate solution
37:25
for asylum seekers. And it's not
37:27
about safe havens. There's a deal being
37:29
done, which is we will send you
37:31
our unwanted refugees. You will
37:33
process them for a price, 140 million
37:35
so far, but it's going to be much
37:38
more than that. We are not going to
37:40
make the slightest fuss. Journalists
37:43
can die in the most questionable circumstances,
37:46
and we will say nothing. You know,
37:49
you're proposing to send refugees
37:52
who might then have some issues with the authorities
37:55
to a country where journalists
37:57
are routinely
37:58
being jailed for doing their
38:00
job and in the worst instances
38:03
are dying in completely suspect circumstances
38:06
and you're okay with that.
38:08
Even though it's getting more expensive, it's
38:10
likely the Rwanda asylum deal may eventually
38:13
come to nothing.
38:15
Not a single plane has taken off and
38:18
they won't anytime soon because asylum
38:20
seekers are peeling the decision to send them
38:22
away.
38:23
But the deal is done. Both sides
38:26
have what they want. The Conservative
38:28
Party can tell their voters they're
38:30
being tough on migrants crossing the channel and
38:32
they'll blame the courts if it fails. And
38:35
Paul Kagame has one legitimacy
38:37
on the international stage and the silence
38:39
of the United Kingdom. That
38:41
final interview from John. Those who try
38:44
to speak out, they are
38:46
jailed, harassed, intimidated or
38:48
jailed. Second, forced
38:51
to free the country.
38:53
Three, some of them disappear
38:56
in a thin air. Or
38:59
even they die.
39:05
It now sounds like a message from
39:07
beyond the grave.
39:13
This episode was reported by me, Will
39:16
Brown. It was co-written and produced by
39:18
Patricia Clarke and Rebecca Moore.
39:20
The sound design was by Tom Burchill and
39:22
the editor was Basha Cummings.
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