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1:00

you As

1:11

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1:21

I make my own rules because

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it's much easier that way. Trust

1:27

me. I'm

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not a liar. What's

1:39

up everybody? It's Marcus D'Angelo. We are back for

1:42

another episode of The Snake Pit and of course

1:44

I am joined by the Hall of Famer, master

1:46

of the DDT, Jake the Snake

1:48

Roberts. Jake, we're fresh back from WrestleCon in

1:50

Philadelphia. Always good to see the fans, isn't

1:52

it? It's always good, man. You

1:55

know, it just blows me away when these

1:57

people come up and Tell

1:59

me about stories. in their lives

2:01

were actually made such as informed

2:04

and I just. Shake

2:07

my foundation man. It.

2:09

Really does. Man. Always agree

2:11

Turnout: irrational Con: The fans always sharp

2:13

and shell out Yeah man, it's long

2:15

lines. As always it's it's good to

2:17

be Jake the Snake Roberts isn't it?

2:21

It can be assessed as if

2:23

it ever seen is good Being

2:25

Jake the Snake, Check out this

2:28

Chloe I were running. Yeah once

2:30

you tell me about that sure

2:33

J, that's pretty sharp and Robert

2:35

Graham policies out. And.

2:38

When I get a close up. It. Was

2:40

so a lot of shirts man love at

2:42

are you waiting the kept coming weeks will

2:44

be were a lot of it. Robert.

2:48

Graham. Ah so man it's really a male.

2:50

Look up the website for Robert Graham and

2:52

ago had Lincoln in the description Tesla yes

2:54

a bad as sure I would model myself

2:57

until listeners would Mine went. There

2:59

you go. Are a Robert

3:01

Graham. check out the description here and

3:03

are you folks can get linked to

3:05

their website but a lucky you know

3:07

it. Last time we talked about mid

3:09

South it was last month. we talked

3:12

about your return to the company or

3:14

your back under the bill was banner

3:16

and things are looking pretty good so

3:18

far it's you know it seems like

3:20

you're getting pushes the top heel. Ah

3:22

but when we last left off we

3:24

discussed you singles match with a young

3:27

Shawn Michaels and oh boy maybe a

3:29

little bit of a disappointing performance. By

3:31

a Bj her. Yeah. Yeah,

3:36

not quite the guy that you go under

3:38

be mean how this guy is largely considered

3:41

the an all time great in ring workers

3:43

and you know we've talked about Sean a

3:45

few times you're on the show but something

3:47

we haven't discussed is what's what he's up

3:49

to Nowadays you know Sean works is the

3:52

director at Nxt which is where all the

3:54

date of you have talent is trained and

3:56

groomed for either Raw or Smackdown. now

3:59

as a guy who built a Hall of

4:01

Fame career by moving from territory to

4:03

territory and working with and learning from

4:05

talents across the country. What do you

4:07

think of having one location dedicated to

4:10

developing young talents? I

4:12

think it's a great idea man. Really?

4:15

Yeah, they can pull talent from all over.

4:18

That's what they've done. They

4:22

give tryouts and stuff and they pull

4:24

these guys in. It's

4:27

really hard to do

4:32

this. You don't

4:34

just wake up one more and

4:36

say, okay, I'm going to get this done today. It's

4:39

not happening. It

4:41

takes a lot of time. And

4:44

the more time you can stand around top

4:46

talent and

4:48

be said good or

4:51

great material, the

4:54

better off you are. So

5:00

I'm sure Sean's feeding them well.

5:02

He's got a lot to feed from. So

5:07

there's no excuse not to be putting out great

5:09

talent. That's

5:12

for damn sure all the best of the best

5:14

across the country across the world really are trying

5:16

to make their way into WWE and get a

5:18

spot, right? Yeah, absolutely. So

5:22

you feel that modern day

5:24

Sean, well suited for this role? I

5:26

think so. I think so.

5:28

He's as good as anybody

5:31

else that I know. I

5:33

can't think of anybody that would be better. You

5:38

know, for most young performers nowadays, Jake, the

5:40

only place to get reps is on the

5:42

indies, which I mean, it is not anywhere

5:44

near as consistent in providing people with everyday

5:46

reps as it was back in the day.

5:49

If you were to give some advice to

5:51

young indie performers on how to develop themselves

5:54

without the benefit of the performance center, what

5:56

kind of advice would you give? Get

5:58

as many damn reps as you can. man. And

6:02

when you do get around, make

6:04

it mean something. Make it make it

6:06

worthwhile, you know. Create.

6:10

You gotta be creating all

6:12

the time. You gotta be

6:14

honing your skills, man. You

6:17

gotta make them sharp. Sharp is

6:19

a razor blade, man. I

6:23

believe you told me before that Ring Rust starts

6:25

developing inside of like four days? Yeah.

6:30

So, brother, if you're a young indie guy, I

6:32

wouldn't be some of my nose at $10 payoffs

6:35

or even hot dog payoffs. Get out there

6:37

and get your reps. Do what

6:39

you have to do, man. I

6:42

mean, you might turn up your nose at a $25 payoff,

6:44

but hey, guess what?

6:46

While I was working full time, I got some $25

6:49

payoffs. Mm-hmm. We

6:53

hear the stories about people getting paid in hot

6:55

dogs or like a Diet Coke or something after

6:57

a match. So, like, could be worse, brother. Just

6:59

go do it. Get those reps in. Yeah.

7:03

Well, look, I think we should also mention

7:05

here that at the end of February, speaking

7:07

of Shawn Michaels, he's going to get the

7:09

debut match for Jon Nord. Nord the Barbarian,

7:12

as he's known here. Man,

7:14

Jon Nord making his big debut. Jake, we

7:16

discussed it before, but if you would, let's

7:18

give our listeners a little reminder about how

7:20

you reacted when you first laid eyes on

7:22

Jon Nord. Well, he scared the hell

7:24

out of me. He

7:27

was a beast, man. Six-nine,

7:30

300 pounds, but

7:32

he had a 36-inch, 34-inch

7:34

waist. You

7:39

know, he was incredible. He

7:41

had muscles in his shit. He

7:46

dropped a turd and had biceps. But

7:50

as soon as I seen him, I said, oh,

7:52

shit, I got to grant this

7:54

guy to make him my tag team partner because

7:57

I damn sure didn't want to have to wrestle him. I

8:01

remember the first time I seen him, he had

8:04

this huge black eye. Yeah. I

8:07

said, what the fuck happened? He

8:09

said, Oh, that was my second match. Holy

8:12

shit, man. Your second

8:14

match. I said, what, what'd you, who hit

8:17

you? He said, nobody, I ran

8:19

into the post and wanted to make you look

8:21

good. That's

8:27

what you'd probably call a road grader in the

8:29

wrestling business. Yeah. Not

8:33

a dude you want to get in front of. I

8:35

damn sure knew that he'd be my tag team

8:37

partner though. You got beside

8:39

him instead of in front of him. And that's,

8:41

that's just smart business. Now, like, I know that

8:43

you obviously didn't want to necessarily have to step

8:46

it in the ring with this big dude, but

8:48

I also know that you hate tag team wrestling.

8:51

Uh, did you feel like you could bring the best out of

8:53

John Nord? I

8:55

just knew that I could make something happen with him

8:58

because just looking at him scared you

9:00

know, best after I gave

9:02

him his haircut. The

9:07

Mohawk you were responsible. Yeah, I was

9:09

responsible. He

9:11

had a big bushy head of hair, man. It looked like one

9:13

of the Samoans. We

9:17

can't have that. Let's see if it's even Mohawk.

9:20

It worked. He looked good. Yeah. Yeah.

9:23

Yeah. Um, I noticed that Butch

9:25

Reed is interfering in Nord's matches during this early

9:27

part of his run here, which makes me think

9:29

it's probably around the time that the two of

9:31

them got crossways and ended up getting into a

9:33

shoot fight. Yeah. Were you there

9:36

when that fight was actually happening? No,

9:38

I was in the ring. Thank God. Man,

9:41

that must've been something. I wouldn't have

9:43

wanted to be near it. Yeah. It's

9:45

like the fucking Tasmanian devil. You don't want to get

9:47

pulled into that shit. Yeah. Uh,

9:50

do you remember what started the beef between the two of

9:52

them? Oh, I don't. I can't

9:55

remember that far back, bro. Well,

9:57

you get a couple alpha males out there. I'm sure that

9:59

shit's just bound. to happen. After

10:02

arriving in January and re-establishing yourself in

10:04

the territory your first feud upon returning

10:06

appears to be with Terry Taylor as

10:09

you'll come out and challenge him a few times

10:11

in February for his TV title but at times

10:13

when he's already been scheduled to work matches so

10:15

he can't accept your challenge which is like your

10:18

angle now is that he's a coward. Right.

10:20

It's a nice storyline idea here.

10:23

Was this the first time that you would have been around

10:25

Terry Taylor? Yes. Okay

10:28

so we discussed him last week and

10:30

how Vince kind of misused him in

10:32

the WWF as the Red Rooster but

10:35

here in Watts territory of course

10:37

he's featured act and seems to

10:39

have a lot of crowd support too. By

10:42

this time you had seen a lot of performers big

10:44

stars all across the country. Did you think that Terry

10:46

had the goods to be a top guy in wrestling

10:48

when you first met him? Not a top

10:50

guy. Not

10:53

a top guy. You know he

10:55

could he could hold his own on the

10:57

card but he didn't need him

10:59

he didn't he didn't have for the main

11:01

event. Now

11:04

what do you feel that Terry was lacking? Size.

11:13

The way he projected himself wasn't

11:17

strong enough. You

11:20

know he was he had a

11:23

lot of cute moves. You

11:26

know but cute will get

11:28

you killed in the real world. Yeah

11:33

well it got him killed in the WWF too

11:35

it seems but man I

11:37

mean I think that it just

11:40

goes to show like being a good looking dude

11:42

being in good shape having the ring skills it's

11:44

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11:46

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11:48

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16:33

at Mr. Cock-a-doodle-doo on March 7th with his

16:35

TV title on the line. Let's have a

16:37

look at the final minutes of this one.

16:41

Okay, Jake, oh boy, this could be

16:43

a mistake. You're climbing in the middle

16:45

rope, missed with the elbow. That's

16:48

about what we do not see often from you. Gary

16:51

Taylor's making his way back up to

16:53

his feet. Oh boy, he's firing up

16:55

babyface style. Catch him

16:57

with a punch. Another one. Another

17:00

one and you bump. Oh, he is on

17:02

fire right now. Alright,

17:06

a big body slam. And

17:10

he drives the knee. Jake, you're

17:13

in a bad way. He goes for the cover. Quick

17:16

two count and you're up. Back

17:20

to the corner. There you go.

17:22

You put on the brakes, give him a kick. Uh-oh,

17:24

but he's coming back with some punches. Drives

17:29

you into the corner. You come out with the closed

17:31

line, double down, and the

17:33

ref has got his count going. Great

17:37

shot of you, trying to make

17:39

your way back up to your feet. There

17:47

we go. Hit Taylor with a hard

17:49

punch. He

17:51

gets to the ropes. Oh,

17:55

he goes over on the attempted body slam.

17:58

Catches you with that forearm. One,

18:00

two, three. That

18:02

is it. Terry Taylor secures

18:04

the victory over you, Jake. But, doesn't

18:07

look like you're done. You got that boot off. Got

18:11

him. You gotta get your heat back, brother. Nailed

18:14

him with the boot. Threw

18:17

it outside of the ring. You're

18:20

not done yet. You're going under the ring and you got a chair.

18:27

Oh boy. Randy

18:29

Anderson did his best to stop you. Threw his little ass

18:32

out of the ring. Here we go,

18:34

DDT. On the chair, you're setting him

18:36

up. He's

18:39

down and he is grabbing his head right

18:41

away. He's checking himself. Yeah,

18:45

he is busted open. That's,

18:50

that blood happened fast. You're

18:54

slithering out of the ring. Oh

18:57

man, yeah, he's bleeding bad. You're

19:02

out of the ring. Rest

19:04

are checking on Terry Taylor. You keep your heat.

19:08

Okay, so Terry gets the win, but you

19:10

keep your heat. Man,

19:12

Jake, I- DDT, you know, I DDT

19:14

him on that steel chair and it

19:17

busted him open. That's

19:19

one of the questions. So one of the things I

19:21

noticed right away there was like, the

19:23

blood was instant. I was like, did he blade that

19:25

fucking quick? He didn't blade,

19:27

I busted himself. He

19:32

got fined $500 for leaving on

19:34

television. He did. Yeah.

19:37

Oh my gosh, that's incredible. Watch,

19:41

he cut himself, man. That didn't fucking

19:43

bust him open. So

19:46

wait, watch would have fined you if he thought that you

19:48

had dropped him too high. Right. You

19:51

know, I know that

19:53

when you would drop Steamboat and Hogan, you

19:56

would bust them open. You got Hogan on

19:58

a ramp and Steamboat on the outside. And

20:00

now it's like on a chair. I mean, is there any

20:02

way to protect the guy? No. No

20:05

way at all. You just give it hell

20:07

and whatever happens happens. Yeah. Man,

20:10

that was, that is something else. It stuck

20:12

out right away because I was like, damn,

20:14

that is fast. He just, the blood just

20:16

started. So any, any issue

20:19

with Terry afterwards? No, I

20:21

thought before we did it, I said, just for the best

20:23

you open. And he was good with it?

20:26

Yeah. He thought he could, he thought

20:28

he could keep it from doing it. Just

20:31

like Steamboat thought he could protect himself. Yeah.

20:34

Not so much. The other thing

20:36

that really stuck out to me there, Jake, was that

20:38

I saw you try that elbow off the second rope,

20:40

right at the top of the match. And

20:43

I have not seen you do that

20:45

any other time in your career that

20:47

I've looked through. So do

20:50

you remember like why all of a sudden you were

20:52

doing this move? Just

20:54

so I could miss something. Okay.

20:57

So that was a move that you never hit that move.

20:59

It was always designed to miss. No, I've never hit it.

21:03

Why do you think you took it out of your

21:05

repertoire? Because of her. That's

21:10

a good enough reason. You

21:14

get your heat back after the match as we discussed, but

21:16

like, do you feel like it does more harm than good

21:18

to a new character like you that they're trying to build

21:20

that just came in to have you take a clean loss?

21:24

That didn't hurt me. Do

21:27

you use the boot afterwards and then especially busting them open

21:29

on the chair, I think helped you out a lot. Oh

21:32

yeah, sure, dude. Well

21:35

the next week Taylor challenges you to a

21:37

match but gets interrupted by D.B. Aussie, who

21:39

is a reigning North American champion. Ted

21:42

said that now that TV is national, the

21:44

TV title meant more. So the title for

21:46

title match takes place. You'll try to interfere

21:48

and help Ted, but Taylor secures a win

21:50

and becomes North American champion.

21:52

So I mean, two big wins, two weeks in

21:55

a row for Terry, who's clearly viewed in a

21:57

positive light at this time by Watts. But rumor

21:59

has it that he was not viewed in a

22:01

positive light behind the scenes all the time by

22:03

the boys. Looking back on it now,

22:06

do you think that was jealousy or what was it

22:08

about Terry that pissed people off? Nobody

22:10

felt like he needed it, deserved it, you

22:12

know? Fuck,

22:15

you can't put all the eggs in

22:17

one basket, man. Yeah.

22:23

One of the other things I've heard is that he could

22:26

occasionally be a little bit mouthy behind the scenes. Did you

22:28

experience any of that? He was cocky.

22:32

And the other thing I've heard got him heat, and

22:34

maybe you can speak to this, was that he was

22:37

kind of like a stooge not only to the office

22:39

but also to the dirt sheets. Yeah. That'll

22:43

definitely get you heat. Yeah. Now,

22:47

do you think that this perception hurt his career long

22:50

term or was he just kind of fucked from the

22:52

beginning without that X factor? I think

22:54

they get hurt in long term. I

22:57

think that's why I got in trouble with Vince. Okay,

23:01

maybe Vince heard that he was talking to

23:03

Meltzer in the lake? Yeah. Gotcha.

23:07

Well, I know that he worked in Mid-South

23:09

in some office capacity. Remind me, what was

23:12

his role? General Manager.

23:15

Even at this time he was General Manager?

23:17

Yes. And he's getting the push?

23:20

Yes. It would

23:22

be hard not to fucking hate that guy. Yeah.

23:27

Now, when a guy like Terry gets a

23:29

spot like that, do you still view him

23:31

as one of the boys or are people

23:33

a little bit more cautious around him? Yeah,

23:36

nobody's talking to him. How

23:38

could you? You just assume you're talking to

23:40

Bill Watts every time you talk to him? Yeah.

23:44

So, how

23:46

long did it take before you started booking? I'd

23:49

been booking before that. In

23:51

Georgia, right? Now,

23:54

when did Watts give you the nod to give it a

23:56

shot? Oh, before this. Oh,

23:59

okay. So like right out of the gate you were

24:02

helping I'd help dirty lad Gotcha

24:04

back in those days So

24:08

you're saying your first run with Mid-South you

24:11

were yeah, yeah gotcha

24:13

now it did when you started booking Do you

24:15

feel like it affected the way that the other

24:17

boys treated you behind the scenes? some

24:20

a Few like

24:23

how so Usually it

24:25

was the few that wanted to kiss ass or something,

24:27

you know Have

24:29

time for it So

24:33

some guys would come up and say like oh,

24:35

you know Try to essentially position themselves to get

24:37

better booking from you, right? Okay, but

24:39

you're sniffing that out and be like no Well

24:45

on March 21st You're in a pretty interesting

24:47

match as you'll team up with Jack victory

24:50

in a four-team elimination match against the rock-and-roll

24:52

Express Dirty white boys and

24:54

Brad Armstrong with Tom Pritchard So that's eight

24:56

people in one match, but only two are

24:58

in the ring at a time However,

25:00

you're able to not only tag your own partner

25:03

But you can tag in members of the other

25:05

team as well, which to me is pretty fucking

25:07

weird Yeah, let's have

25:09

a look at the final man to this one All

25:12

right, you're in there and you're going on

25:14

the attack here on who

25:17

Robert Gibson. There you go a gut buster

25:22

You're going for the cover here Robert

25:26

gets his foot on the ropes. Oh

25:28

your buddy Jack victory tried to help. Oh driving a

25:31

knee right into his face And

25:35

you've got him locked in a sleeper Well,

25:37

I don't know what that camera angle was. Okay,

25:40

you got the sleeper there in the middle of the ring Well,

25:44

it's almost like a bulldog choke you got him in Ref

25:48

is trying to tell you to loosen up brother Oh

25:52

Well, that looks like a nasty little submission you got

25:54

on him there There

25:59

you go You tag

26:01

in one of the dirty white boys there, Tony

26:03

Anthony. He's

26:06

on the attack with a snap mare and an elbow drop. Leg

26:09

drop. Boy Robert Gibson just getting the dog

26:12

shit beat out of him. Headbutt

26:20

from Tony Anthony and

26:22

he's choking Robert. Oh my gosh. The

26:25

sympathy, the Rock and Roll Express are getting right

26:28

now. There we go,

26:30

Robert's firing back. Too

26:32

little too late. Here comes your old

26:35

pal Len Denton, the other half of the dirty white

26:37

boys. Nice

26:40

suplex. Boy Len, an underrated worker, this

26:42

guy can go. There

26:50

we go. Spinning neck breaker. I'll

26:54

tell you what, Robert Gibson kicking out of everything, showing

26:56

some guts. There

27:00

you go. Len Denton drives him into your knee and

27:03

tags you in. You're

27:06

back on the attack here on Robert. Boy that looked like

27:08

a throat chop or something. Stomping.

27:12

Here comes Jack Victory, your partner. Jack

27:17

picks up where you left off. Shoots

27:20

off Gibson. Takes a kick to

27:23

the chest. There

27:30

we go. Shoots Gibson

27:32

off again. Gibson with like

27:34

the lucha. Go around. Double drop kick,

27:37

he's down. Ricky Morton gets

27:39

the three count. You guys are eliminated from

27:41

this one. Okay,

27:43

it's down to the dirty white boys and

27:46

the Rock and Roll Express. You

27:49

and Jack Victory are both shocked at the outcome

27:51

of this one. Now,

27:55

the strange concept aside, it's a pretty damn

27:57

cool match here because it's the Rock and

27:59

Roll Express. Express involved. Would

28:01

this have been your first time meeting Ricky and Robert? Probably.

28:07

Now Ricky and Robert

28:10

they probably kind of ushered in this style

28:12

of tag team wrestling that's used a lot

28:14

today in that they're doing moves simultaneously a

28:16

lot like double drop kicks double armed drags

28:19

kind of a novel choreographed approach what did you

28:21

think of it as an old-school guy Jake? I

28:23

thought it was great man. Yeah. Oh

28:26

yeah. It

28:28

was exciting. If

28:31

you can create excitement then fall

28:33

for it. So

28:36

like you know on the surface I kind of take

28:38

a look at guys doing shit at the same time

28:41

and I'm like you know it looks like a dance

28:43

routine almost but I guess if there's enough selling and

28:45

stuff you can make it seem pretty real right? You

28:48

make it happen. Well

28:51

Robert Gibson was great but Ricky Morton would

28:53

be the standout of the group due to

28:55

his ability to connect with the audience and

28:57

sell and our researcher Andrew

28:59

Hermas even pointed out that they were so

29:01

good in fact that the following year in

29:04

JCP during the summer sizzler tour they were

29:06

out drawing dusty roads and Ric Flair which

29:08

pissed Dusty off and made him put them

29:10

on the same card instead of on a

29:13

separate one. Yeah. So Dusty's

29:15

always the businessman. What

29:18

would you say set Ricky Morton apart when it came

29:20

to his ability to sell Jake? He

29:23

was just you felt sorry for him man and you

29:25

loved it. You

29:27

know and that

29:29

right there is all I took. When

29:34

you would sell as a baby face you know

29:36

we always hear Ricky Steamboat say something like he

29:38

would pick one person in the audience and sell

29:40

directly to them. What

29:43

was your method of selling? I

29:45

tried to sell to everybody. Okay.

29:48

I tried to sell openly. You

29:52

know give it

29:54

to everybody. So

29:57

like it's theater in the round essentially you're in

29:59

the and everybody's surrounding you, so you've

30:01

got to kind of sell to all four corners.

30:03

Yeah. Um,

30:07

last thing on the rock and rolls, rumor has

30:09

it that those two did pretty well for themselves

30:12

when it came to the ladies. Jake, any stories

30:14

or things that you witnessed when it came to

30:16

the two of them and their extracurriculars? Those

30:20

two were chick

30:22

magnets. There

30:25

would be a line of girls waiting. And

30:30

a lot of jealousy between

30:32

us and them, you know? Fuck

30:37

it, give us something, you know?

30:41

And the

30:43

thing about it was, Ricky

30:46

would get them in to the room and

30:48

then Robert would pull out his

30:51

unusually large wing and beat him to death

30:53

with it. That

30:58

was very eloquently put. Yeah,

31:01

yeah, it was like, holy shit. Old

31:06

hoot, he had a hog, huh? Yeah, yeah,

31:08

Ricky would be through in about 13 seconds.

31:13

But who would come in and drop the

31:15

sledgehammer on him? That was probably

31:18

13 seconds, probably how long it took him to get

31:20

that fucking piece of lumber out of there. Yeah.

31:25

Man, so are these girls just like

31:27

showing up at the hotel, approaching him

31:29

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31:32

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31:36

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31:38

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March 31st, 1985, saw the very first WrestleMania

34:28

in Madison Square Garden, which is the spiritual

34:30

home of the WWF. Main

34:32

event had Hulk Hogan and Mr. T versus Roddy

34:35

Piper and Paul Orndorf in a tag team match.

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And I mean, there's a ton of stars

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34:42

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there. Man, WrestleMania

34:46

1 isn't just a premiere event, but it

34:48

also marks a transition of sorts in wrestling

34:50

where it's going from being a form of

34:52

entertainment kind of directed toward a very small

34:55

niche audience to now this over the top

34:57

main street entertainment spectacle. Jake,

35:00

you started during this older era of wrestling

35:02

and now you're starting to hit your prime

35:04

as it's morphing into a

35:06

pop culture phenomenon. I mean, obviously

35:09

you would go on to be part of this pop

35:11

culture spectacle, but at the time, how

35:13

did you view this major shift in how the

35:15

product was being presented? Well, at the

35:17

time I hated it. Yeah. Yeah.

35:20

I felt they were exposing the business. It

35:23

was like the cartoonish nature of it all. Yeah.

35:26

Yeah. I mean, you

35:28

see, you see people like Muhammad Ali, Cyndi Lauper,

35:31

all these huge celebrities. Are you looking at it

35:33

saying like, boy, it's stupid, but I think that's

35:35

an awful lot of money getting thrown around up

35:37

there. Yeah, there was a lot of

35:39

change been tossed. You

35:42

know, it's what else is

35:45

interesting about this is that Vince

35:47

funded WrestleMania 1 with the sale

35:49

of the Georgia times slot back

35:51

to Ted Turner. So

35:53

if our listeners recall, Vince's purchase of

35:55

that time slot is what prompted you to leave

35:58

Georgia until Vince is shoving up his ass. Now

36:00

Vince is taking that moment and he's morphing

36:02

into probably one of the biggest moments in

36:05

wrestling history up to that point. Yeah.

36:08

I mean, move. Yep.

36:10

Now you Jake, when you see

36:13

that shit happening and know

36:15

that you told Vince to shove it up his ass

36:17

and then you also see all these celebrities and people

36:19

making a shitload of money up there. I mean, are

36:21

you like, man, in hindsight, maybe you should have stuck

36:23

around? Should have. I

36:26

should have. You never

36:28

know what it would have done to your character at that point, though.

36:30

Who knows if the snake idea would have come along? No,

36:33

you don't. Do

36:35

you remember how Watts would have reacted to

36:38

this big spectacle event? Oh, it was driving

36:40

him insane. Yeah. Oh,

36:42

he was going fucking crazy. Do

36:46

you know if he was trying to make any changes to the

36:48

way that he was presenting wrestling? No, it wasn't changing. Well,

36:53

that probably goes to show why, you know, a couple

36:55

of years later, he's out of business. Yeah.

37:00

So when you see

37:02

the success at this time, you're just back in

37:04

Mid-South and you're kind of settling in, when you

37:06

see that success, you obviously aren't signed to a

37:08

contract there in Mid-South. So is a piece of

37:10

you like, boy, maybe I ought to give Vince

37:12

a ring right now and see what I can

37:14

do? That moment didn't

37:16

happen until I had the conversation

37:19

with Taylor. Okay.

37:24

And when I had the conversation with Taylor

37:26

and he told me I wasn't one of

37:28

the top four babyfaces in

37:30

the company, then I

37:32

said fuck this. I'm out of here. Hard

37:37

to blame you, man. Who the hell wants to hang

37:39

around that bullshit? Yeah. I

37:42

mean, he had himself above me. He had

37:44

Dibiase above me. He had Akshaw

37:46

above me. He had Dr. Death above

37:49

me. What the

37:51

fuck? You

37:53

know? And I'm in the main event every night.

37:56

Yes. And just to remind our listeners, when

37:59

this happened, to you, which is whatever, like

38:01

eight or nine months after this, you

38:04

are a red hot baby face.

38:07

You've gone from, the crowd turned you

38:09

from heel to baby face and that

38:11

DDT is as over as anything in

38:13

pro wrestling and they're telling you like,

38:15

ah, you're probably whatever, six on the

38:18

card. Yeah, yeah. Probably

38:21

a good thing that they got to eat it though whenever you

38:23

did go up to New York. So they had to deal with

38:25

that shit after you were gone. Indeed.

38:30

Well, Jake, I think that that one's going to

38:32

wrap us up for this week. Next week, we're

38:34

taking a look back to what was going on

38:36

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38:38

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38:40

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38:42

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38:45

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38:47

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38:49

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