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1:08

What's up? Everybody is Marcus De Angelo.

1:10

We're back for another episode of the

1:13

Snake Pit. Of course I'm joined by

1:15

the Master The D T W W

1:17

E L Beamer fresh back from Wrestle

1:19

Khan and that big Eclipse event is

1:21

Jake. The Snake Roberts was all I'm

1:23

in. L What a week? Where

1:25

Want a week? Great. Guys were

1:28

rough. girl was also fears

1:30

over the guys. Fantastic! Really?

1:32

Busy. With

1:35

affairs were just. Over the

1:37

top. Great to be. Laid

1:40

a pleasure to be there. Cheryl.

1:42

I had a wonderful that were. And

1:45

then to go through the eclipse when.

1:48

There. You go well, With.

1:50

Everything with the wealthy man. Spend.

1:53

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1:56

To enjoyed it Driver, relax,

1:58

recover from wrestle com. It

2:01

wouldn't You know it. Cloudy.

2:05

It was so cloudy. But.

2:09

We were able to get a job was shots.

2:14

Time disappearing. Please.

2:16

Use the last summer via Atlanta do

2:18

on. In. A matter of minutes

2:20

should go for white. The dark. You

2:23

shared a picture online so did share

2:26

a love of that event and like

2:28

in look like he has was standing

2:30

out there midnight. Yes, Yes,

2:33

He did. That is. It. Was really

2:35

awesome. Actual where you

2:37

know we had a blast laughing at

2:39

each other. Or

2:43

you the video is Cheryl shared a

2:45

view of rearranging. let's say his table.

2:48

I got a huge reaction online. Man

2:50

is too funny guys doing falling Jake

2:52

on social media courses, Jake Sneaky T

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2:57

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2:59

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3:01

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3:04

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3:06

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3:08

your some great stuff to get got

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a you a check that. Out and

3:13

Jake it's my understanding. A buddy. you've got

3:15

some really awesome new what you have gone

3:17

on. Oh. Yeah. You.

3:20

Know Cheryl I dress we have I'm not

3:22

too good at best and. Fairest

3:24

we have. Feel like a big ugly

3:26

doll. And. To:

3:29

I should play dress up for me to. Make.

3:32

The fancy. says.

3:35

A good look up with a really

3:37

good luck man. I can't wait to

3:39

be back on television while I'm. At.

3:41

without breaking out when I go to the. Ira.

3:45

And again for our listeners, what's the

3:47

name of this brand? Robert Graham and

3:49

check it out I guess. A beautiful

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have a look at everything but yeah coming soon

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to A W T V. And

4:00

are coming right now to the bike

4:02

as Jake it's you know, lower back

4:04

in February after all this stuff happened

4:06

with Vince Mcmahon. une I had a

4:08

look at your debut with the you

4:11

have you read back in Nineteen Eighty

4:13

Six and now we're picking up where

4:15

that story left off to talk about

4:17

your march to Wrestlemania to in Nineteen

4:19

Eighty Six, your first ever. As the

4:21

media rather there's a lot to cover

4:23

it with. We better get into these

4:25

notes you ready for. Let's

4:27

do it while after your debut you'll

4:29

go to Branford, Ontario and you'll be

4:32

interviewed on Ventura as show the Body

4:34

shots and this is where the day

4:36

to be up audiences. First introduced to

4:38

Damien. before we talk about Amy I

4:40

would ask you know Ventura does a

4:42

great job of putting you over Here

4:44

is being a really dangerous new competitor

4:46

and in both this interview and another

4:49

one six years later and of you

4:51

seat of you will compare you to

4:53

himself which if you know Jesse Ventura,

4:55

that's pretty high compliment. But

4:57

it's the. So Jake I've heard

4:59

a lot of make things about yes he over

5:01

the years. What can you tell us about your

5:04

experiences or omega? Threes, Carriages.

5:07

Jazz users the insurgency leaders

5:10

Good job man! I

5:14

mean there's no denying the charisma I'm and and

5:16

you know what he brought a tear color commentary

5:18

so he was fun and yet like a again

5:20

for him to put you over as best we

5:22

can pay you to himself he's got i opinion

5:24

of himself so few semi to get I have

5:26

been a of you. The. Absolutely.

5:31

Well, I know you had previously pitched

5:33

the idea of carrying a snake to

5:35

don't want to foolishly dismiss the whole

5:37

thing when Vince would bring it to

5:39

you. It has to feel pretty surreal.

5:41

I mean, all that being said, I

5:43

know you don't like snakes, so what

5:45

would it? was? the idea of carrying

5:47

one around daunting for you at all?

5:50

It. Was it was a pain in the

5:52

ass when it was a struggle every day.

5:55

Every day. And. leaders of

5:57

the like where your mouth if you know say

6:00

6 a.m. You've got four

6:03

hours sleep and

6:05

the first thing you gotta do is you gotta put

6:07

the snake up. You

6:10

know, it's

6:13

not what you want to be doing. You

6:16

know, that's the first thing I

6:18

had to do every morning is put the

6:20

snake away, bag

6:23

him, put him in the trunk, shut

6:25

the trunk, get it all set, wrap

6:28

him up with blankets. Oh

6:31

yeah, it's a blast. That

6:34

sounds miserable and all that aside,

6:36

it's like you don't like and

6:38

are, to my understanding, you were

6:40

fearful of snakes, right? Afraid

6:42

of them. So

6:45

like, every morning, first thing, when my eyes

6:47

opened, I knew what I had to do.

6:49

So I'd go

6:51

in the bathroom and get the damn snake. And

6:55

I'd go in there, sometimes you'd be cool,

6:58

but sometimes you'd be wrapped around the

7:00

toilet or wrapped around the sink. You

7:04

know, you'd break the shower curtain off. That was

7:06

always, you know, he did that every time. Every

7:10

time. Break the shower curtain, bring

7:13

it down. Man,

7:19

their ability to like wrap around stuff, from what

7:21

I understand, like they can tear a fucking toilet

7:23

off the floor, can't they? Oh

7:25

yeah, they can. I had that done. Holy

7:28

shit. Water went everywhere.

7:31

Does WWE pay for that? It

7:33

would take the snake dead. Oh my gosh.

7:36

Yeah, I'd be about over it with

7:38

this damn snake. Yeah, yeah, it was

7:40

pretty brutal, man. Now,

7:42

Damien is a python, of course, but I'm

7:44

curious, was there ever any thought of giving

7:47

you a different kind of snake to lug

7:49

around? Why a python? Well,

7:51

a python has a size, you

7:54

know, and it's not venomous, you know. Later

7:58

on, of course, we went to the King. Cobra.

8:01

Oh, yeah was my favorite snake

8:03

of all time light Light

8:06

only weighed about 14 pounds You

8:10

know, I can carry them in a Halliburton Small

8:15

suitcase I did that

8:17

for a while. I carry with that stick him in

8:19

the overhead. I Was

8:21

doing a sort of play before they ever thought about

8:23

doing a movie There's

8:25

the inspiration for the movie folks for you movie

8:27

buffs out there Jake

8:30

as a side note one of the

8:32

greatest pictures I think I've ever seen

8:34

in pro wrestling is the picture of

8:36

the the Cobra sitting up and you

8:39

Laughing looking at him. It is like just

8:41

some of the coldest shit I have ever

8:43

seen anywhere that that moment like you can't

8:45

plan for something like that. It just happens,

8:47

right? That was my favorite shot

8:50

to man No,

8:52

you know that's that's Cobra. He would

8:54

work with you man. Yeah.

8:56

Oh, yeah Yeah, he would run

8:58

the ropes side to side if I if I did

9:00

it Like

9:03

he would lean he would go

9:05

sideways Amazing

9:07

run the ropes with you Then

9:10

if you stop he would stop If

9:13

you went towards him, he'd come towards you If

9:17

you backed up he'd come after you I Used

9:20

to back up and jump out of the ring to put my

9:22

hand in the bottom rope And then

9:24

he would strike it my hand that move my hand

9:26

he hit the rope. Mmm Somebody

9:33

smarten this snake up. Oh

9:35

man, he could work You know the

9:37

new creative of course as you kind of touched on

9:39

there It leads to the unfortunate task of carrying the

9:41

snake from town to town But you know from what

9:43

I've heard Mike Kiaota Referee for many

9:46

many years there has said that the ring crew

9:48

was largely responsible for making sure the animals made

9:50

it from town Did they ever help you out

9:52

with Damien? They

9:58

didn't they didn't want the response No. Those

10:02

bastards. Yeah, exactly.

10:06

Now, I mean, do you know why that like, they just

10:08

didn't want to deal with it? Or were you on like

10:10

a specific feeding schedule? Or how did that go? I

10:13

don't know no damn schedule. Feeding schedule, nothing

10:15

like that. But it was never mentioned that

10:17

they would carry the snake. It was on

10:20

me. You from the very start. Yeah.

10:24

Now, before we move on, I do want to

10:26

ask, you know, after the body shop, you're going

10:28

to do a squash match again. Squash match against

10:30

Nelson below, I think is how you say the

10:32

name. And it's the first time

10:34

you ever put Damien on a fallen opponent. So

10:36

it makes me wonder, like here, you're handling the

10:38

snake, but now other people are having to interact

10:40

with it. Did you go through any training for

10:42

like safety purposes? No.

10:46

They just gave you a snake. They

10:48

just gave me the snake and put it on

10:50

people. So

10:53

like this trial and error, like you're just learning on the

10:55

fly, like, oh, I have to unwrap the snake to get

10:57

him off. This guy. Yeah,

11:00

absolutely. Wow, dude.

11:03

That could have led with the wrong dude. Like

11:06

if you were a super irresponsible guy, that could

11:08

have led to like catastrophe. Oh, yeah,

11:10

it does at times. Like

11:13

you in Mexico when it wrapped itself around you. Yeah,

11:16

yeah. Indianapolis would wrap around my neck

11:18

and put, you know, knock me out.

11:21

Dude, terrified. Did it ever wrap around

11:23

one of your like job guys that you were working with?

11:26

No, but it did bite referee one

11:28

time. Which rep? Oh,

11:31

my God. He would ask me

11:33

his name. What the hell?

11:37

Fonzie? No. Shit,

11:42

I can't remember his name, brother. That's

11:44

okay. It's a West Coast referee.

11:47

Oh, West Coast referee. That's not Tim White,

11:49

is it? No.

11:52

Well, it doesn't matter. How bad was the bite? Pretty

11:55

bad because he bit him right here in

11:58

the face. Oh, shit. So

12:01

he had two faint marks underneath

12:03

one cheek and a faint mark in

12:05

his forehead. But

12:08

yeah, it went after his eyeball.

12:11

Kind of a badass scar afterwards, I bet. Oh

12:14

yeah. Yeah, pretty cool if he was a

12:16

worker. Yeah, it would. It

12:19

freaked him out. It would freak anybody

12:21

out. A

12:23

few days later, you're going to work with Lanny

12:25

Pafo, who of course is the brother of Macho

12:27

Man Randy Savage. Pafo, very capable

12:30

worker and is most remembered for his

12:32

role as the genius. Kind of a

12:34

weird question here, Jake, but I think

12:36

it's worth asking. You're the

12:38

new kid in town here, and this is the

12:40

brother of a really big star in this territory.

12:43

And Randy, of course, has developed a reputation

12:45

for being very protective. Does

12:48

it change anything about how you approach a match

12:50

with a guy like Lanny? Yeah, I did.

12:53

How would you adjust yourself? I just backed

12:55

off a little bit. Okay,

12:57

not quite so snug. Yeah,

13:00

and I give him a little bit more. Okay.

13:05

But if it's

13:07

the match I'm thinking about, was it match the Square

13:09

Garden? It

13:11

doesn't say, but actually I think it was

13:13

based on the research. Yeah, yeah,

13:15

that's the match and he hurt me. I

13:18

think I've heard this, but remind our listeners, what happened

13:20

there? Well, he told me he

13:22

wanted to do this move. I'm like, okay, fine. What

13:24

did I do? So

13:27

he told me, go outside the

13:29

rain, start to get up, be bent

13:31

over, and he

13:34

jumped up on the rope, and he slipped and fell

13:36

and drove a knee into my kidney. Holy

13:39

shit. From the top rope. Oh

13:42

my God. Yeah, he

13:44

fucking hurt like hell, man. After I

13:46

recovered, I gave him some hip tosses

13:48

on the concrete. That's,

13:54

boy, it's decent payback, but holy shit,

13:56

man, what were the repercussions of taking

13:58

a knee to the kidney? Oh,

14:01

I just wanted a couple of days. I'll

14:03

bet. It hurt. Holy shit.

14:07

Those hip causes on

14:09

that concrete weren't, weren't pretty much

14:11

fun either. Let's hope you

14:14

weren't the only one pissing blood, a little received

14:16

for Lanny there. Yeah. As

14:19

a performer, what did you think about Lanny and

14:21

what'd you think about his promo and very unique

14:23

voice? He

14:26

was unique. That's a great word. That's

14:29

what I'm going to say. Believe

14:32

it. I'll

14:35

buy it. Capable in

14:37

the ring, but that's

14:41

as far as it goes. Nowhere

14:44

near as charismatic or skilled as his

14:46

brother. No, not even on

14:48

the same page. Now,

14:51

Jake, before we move off of Lanny, because we likely won't

14:53

talk about him all that much here on the show. You

14:56

know, there's a rumor that behind the scenes he had

14:58

a pretty unique party trick. Any

15:01

truth to that rumor? Yes, it's true.

15:04

I'm scared to ask. Have you witnessed this? I've

15:08

seen him do it. All

15:10

right, we have to talk about

15:12

this. Is he just like in the locker room

15:14

doing this to himself? No, no, no. You have

15:16

to get him into the mood, you know. Oh,

15:19

okay. You know,

15:22

then we bet him a

15:24

six pack of beer. He couldn't do it. And

15:28

he here in that six pack. Yeah,

15:30

he been over and swallowed

15:33

it. Wow.

15:36

All right. Not a lot of guys capable of that. So good for

15:38

Lanny. Okay,

15:41

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15:43

can ask you a question. What's the most

15:45

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15:47

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15:49

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15:51

finishing the story like Cody Rhodes did

15:53

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15:56

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20:17

Jose Luis Rivera in the spectrum in

20:19

Philadelphia on March 7th for an opening

20:21

match in front of a whopping 19,000

20:23

fans. Now

20:26

I know that you were really well traveled by this

20:28

point, uh, but you would work mostly in the South. Was

20:30

this your first time in Philly? Yes.

20:33

All right. Now, I mean, definitely, definitely a

20:35

wrestling city. I've heard that working in front

20:37

of a Philly crowd is a little different.

20:39

Can you talk to us a little bit

20:41

about working there? Philly fans

20:43

are real smart. You

20:47

know, they they're, they're, they're keen. And,

20:50

uh, if you

20:52

don't have your shit together and go out there

20:54

and give them what they want, they will brutalize

20:56

you. Mm. They

20:58

are hard on you. They

21:00

expect a high, high level

21:03

performance. And if you

21:05

don't give them that high level of performance, they'd

21:08

boo the shit out of you. Now

21:13

at this stage, like I said, you've been working in

21:15

the South mostly. Did it seem like the crowd was

21:17

familiar with you? Yes.

21:21

And I've also heard that they tend to like heels. So

21:23

are you getting a baby face reaction in Philly? Uh,

21:26

a little bit. Okay. Man,

21:31

hell of a crowd and yeah, hell of

21:33

a wrestling city. Um, and as I mentioned

21:35

here, you know, you're opening match with Jose

21:37

and it's in front of this big red

21:39

hot crowd. What's it like being responsible for

21:41

setting the tone in an opening match like

21:43

that? Oh, I love it. Yeah.

21:46

Yeah. I find it very easy. Very

21:50

easy. Is there some trick to

21:52

really getting them with you or what? Yeah.

21:55

Just go out there and take control, man. Show

21:59

them. Show them. a little something. Now,

22:04

being that you're roughly a decade into your

22:06

career at this point, you had no issues

22:08

with being opening match? No, not at

22:10

all. Okay, so I feel like a

22:12

lot of guys, you know, there's always that term

22:14

out there, curtain jerker, you know, it's like kind of

22:16

this just to let me up match. But that wasn't

22:19

your impression or thought on it. No,

22:21

that didn't bother me at all, man. Okay.

22:25

Um, well, at this stage

22:27

of your time in the WWF, are you leaving

22:30

as soon as your part in the

22:32

show is done or are you hanging around to kind of,

22:34

you know, keep up appearance a little bit? I

22:36

hang out. At what point

22:38

do you get, like, when do you get to the point where

22:40

you're just like, fuck this, I'm leaving when my match is done?

22:43

Uh, after a year or so. Okay.

22:45

Once you kind of become accustomed, you just want to make

22:48

sure that they know you're a team player, right? Absolutely.

22:51

You want to show them that you're interested and

22:53

that you're a part of it. You

22:56

know, you're not just there to do the job and get the fuck

22:58

out of there. Well,

23:01

you've got Rivera again, the next night in

23:03

Boston, and it's a sellout of more than

23:05

16,000 for a matchable air on prime time

23:07

wrestling. Let's check out the final minutes of

23:09

what would be your, your debut match on

23:12

TV with the WWE. Jake,

23:15

it looks like you've got him in a headlock. Ooh, there

23:17

he goes. He flings you across the ring. You're

23:19

back up on your feet and get knocked down right

23:21

away with a clothesline. Oh, and you're clutching the back

23:23

of the head out

23:26

of the ring. You tumble. Oh

23:29

no. Back in and

23:31

he is firing off on you with some shots.

23:35

Send you off on the ropes. Back

23:38

body drop. And

23:40

there you go. You slither out of the ring this time. Boy,

23:44

he's giving chase coming around the ring after you. Oh

23:47

boy, you're waiting for him. Oh,

23:51

big knee to the face as he steps through

23:53

the ropes and

23:55

you're telling the crowd, now you're going to

23:57

see something. Here we go. The first D.

24:00

he ever on WWF TV

24:03

you drop him nice

24:07

reaction from the crowd you're soaking

24:09

it in you turn Jose

24:11

over and

24:15

you got him with the cocky cover oh

24:17

and now you're slithering over him to go

24:19

get that bag the word slither was used

24:21

a lot during this match by grill them

24:24

on soon so they were really trying to

24:26

get that over the referee is trying to

24:28

stop you from getting that snake out now

24:33

you're looking around at the crowd they

24:35

like that you're upset you

24:39

really want to get that snake out but he's giving

24:41

you the business raises

24:45

your hand in victory but you're pissed

24:47

you want to bring Damien out yep

24:54

you're picking up the bag you

24:58

are not a happy camper despite

25:00

your victory here on TV slide

25:04

out of the ring grab

25:11

in the bag and you are headed

25:14

off to the back victorious a little

25:16

dejected with no Damien coming out all

25:20

right so your TV debut there Jake and

25:22

what really stuck out for me is no

25:24

snake at the end any chance you remember

25:26

why they would be teased but not used

25:29

I don't remember as

25:31

you were handling that bag it looked like there

25:33

was nothing it looked like there was not a

25:36

snake in it it didn't seem like it was

25:38

as heavy as usual so I don't know maybe

25:40

the snake didn't make it to the town okay

25:44

it just

25:47

really stuck out because like hey we're trying to get

25:49

this whole thing over maybe Jose didn't want it who

25:51

knows yeah maybe that was what it

25:53

was well

25:56

you worked with Rivera an awful lot during

25:58

this time and he's kind of in an

26:00

awkward spot here because he's responsible for helping

26:02

to make the new guy look good during

26:05

what was a really competitive time in the

26:07

business. I mean, anytime a new

26:09

guy comes on the scene, he's taking TV

26:11

time away from somebody who's already there. So

26:13

generally, it's not a very warm welcome. Was

26:17

Jose cooperative and helpful during this

26:19

transition? Fine, man. You

26:22

do anything I wanted. Really? Oh,

26:25

yeah. Man, you know,

26:27

he'd been with the company here for a few years

26:29

and he would continue to be with the company. But

26:31

yeah, on paper, it's like, hey, I don't know, you

26:33

wouldn't want to make this guy look good in theory,

26:35

right? Yeah, in theory.

26:38

Yeah. Well, good that

26:40

he did. You know, this event in

26:42

Boston, it would also mark the first time that you were

26:44

on a show with Hogan and coming

26:46

in the door, you are. Are

26:49

you immediately aware that you need to get on the same

26:51

card as Hulk to make more money or was that something

26:53

you learned a few weeks in? I learned

26:55

it after a few weeks in. OK,

26:58

so like after getting on the card with

27:00

them and you see your payoff, you're like,

27:02

OK, that's the way. Yeah,

27:05

I've seen the payoffs, how different they were.

27:08

And you know what's so amazing about it is that

27:10

I'd be able to sell out crowds. You

27:14

can be of the same down and

27:17

sell out the same numbers. Hogan did

27:19

when he was there, but your

27:21

money would still be short. What

27:24

in the world? I have no idea

27:26

why. But

27:29

that's one thing we do.

27:32

Now it's you know, back in the

27:34

day, I know that it was guys were really protective

27:36

about their payoff as well. And a lot of guys

27:38

weren't talking. Did you guys

27:40

know what Hogan was making on these shows? No.

27:43

But had a pretty good idea. Yeah. Yeah.

27:47

OK. A lot of fucking more than we were. Which

27:51

has got to be frustrating for anybody. Like

27:53

at this stage, I'm sure you're happy and

27:55

OK, more exposure here in

27:57

this new company. What

28:00

the fuck man? Yeah, it did eat. It

28:02

does eat away at you You

28:05

know, we'd always hear that Hogan got his own

28:08

dressing room wasn't necessarily always viewed as one of

28:10

the boys because of his kind Of unique position.

28:12

Did you interact much with him during these early

28:14

days? No, I did Did

28:16

you view him as a guy who is approachable

28:18

at all? Yeah, he

28:21

seemed approachable But I

28:23

just didn't give a fuck Yeah,

28:27

you know, it seems like a lot of the

28:29

guys with the coming into the territory They'd want

28:31

to kind of make good with the the headliner

28:33

go, you know do the handshake and talk to

28:35

him and Play

28:39

that shit, but I

28:41

just never was you guys sucked up man Never

28:45

never hurt you not to do it, right? No, nothing.

28:48

I know of You Probably

28:52

did but I Don't

28:55

know like I feel like as long as you're nice Like

28:57

I'm sure you wouldn't like refuse to shake his fucking hand

29:00

in the buildings or anything, you know But

29:03

I just wasn't gonna you know go cater

29:05

to him and stuck up to him and

29:08

you play that silly game, you know You

29:12

know It's I guess some guys would benefit from it

29:15

But also it could probably kind of hurt you a

29:17

little bit because then the other boys start to look

29:19

at you Like you're a quote-unquote mark, right? Oh, yeah

29:23

Well, you're one of the guys who's considered a

29:26

wrestler's wrestler and you find yourself in this honest

29:28

age here in the WWF where maybe character is

29:30

viewed as more valuable than ring work in many

29:32

cases Which was really

29:34

evident with Hulk who's six foot seven and playing

29:36

a baby face, you know in any other territory

29:38

with his size You'd probably be a heel, right?

29:41

Right So, I mean obviously

29:43

it got over huge but what did you make

29:45

of his old stick the kind of routine that

29:47

Hogan had He

29:50

had he had a stick down man and

29:52

he had it down fine, too It

29:55

would be the same thing every damn night Yep

30:00

just the way it was and

30:02

that's what they wanted and

30:04

by God that's what they got. And

30:08

it got over like you know it's hard to argue

30:10

with the success right? Yeah, you

30:12

can't argue with the success. Of

30:15

course if I was going out there

30:17

every night and DDT and everybody I

30:21

might get over too. It's

30:24

a damn good point and by the way it did

30:27

get you over here. Like even

30:29

as a heel they had to turn your baby

30:31

face. Yeah it did, sure as fuck did. You

30:34

know I've heard the wrestlers who come from southern territories say

30:36

that they had to change the way that they worked in

30:39

some respects when they came to the WWF. Did

30:41

you feel like you had to make any adjustments? Yeah. What

30:44

kind of changes? Just

30:46

to be more vicious. Okay.

30:49

You know it wasn't a mental game that you could play.

30:52

If you went out and played the mental game they wouldn't get it.

30:57

And they kind of leave you

30:59

holding the bag. You

31:01

had to be more vicious and more

31:03

on top of the guy. You

31:07

know. So that's

31:09

not a problem I could do that. Bigger

31:12

like broader gestures and not giving maybe the

31:14

job guys quite as much as you would

31:16

in the south right? You

31:20

just gobble them up on your shows. That was hard

31:22

for me to do. Why?

31:25

Because that's not the way of southern wrestling in the

31:27

least. You bounce around as the heel

31:29

right? Yeah. You bounce

31:32

around for everybody. You

31:35

know D.B. Aussie said when he came to

31:38

the WWF a year later Vince made it clear that

31:40

he wanted to see Ted in the gym more often.

31:42

Was anything like that ever emphasized to you? No.

31:45

Never? No. And

31:47

shouldn't be because you're the snake guy right?

31:50

So you should have like a slim frame.

31:52

In fact in

31:54

89 whenever I had the next surgery I

31:57

woke up. and

32:00

gained a lot of size. And

32:03

when I did, Vince told me, he says, stay

32:06

out of the fucking gym and

32:10

lean out. We want

32:12

you to be Dick

32:14

Dastardly, you know, conniving, snake,

32:19

evil. Yep. We don't

32:21

want you muscled up. If I wanted a muscled

32:23

up guy to carry the snake, I'd have fucking

32:25

Hogan carrying it. It

32:29

did look right. Like it really did, especially with your character.

32:31

It just made more sense for you to be lean. Yeah.

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33:39

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33:41

who we'll discuss here in a bit and SD

33:43

Jones, special delivery, not ever gonna come up on

33:46

this podcast, probably ever again. What do you think

33:48

of him? I like special

33:50

delivery, but he wouldn't let me put the snake on

33:52

him, man. Really? No.

33:57

Did you bump into a lot of that during your early days? No.

34:00

I've been playing it a few times. You

34:03

know, it's and that puts you in a weird

34:05

spot because again, you're the new kid in town

34:07

and you're trying to, you know, probably establish that

34:09

you're a team player, but then these guys aren't

34:11

playing ball with you in your in your gimmicks.

34:14

Yeah. Yeah, that would

34:16

be frustrating itself. It was, man. Well,

34:20

as I mentioned a bit ago, the WWF very

34:22

competitive and you even said last episode that you

34:24

did not get a warm welcome from the from

34:27

the locker room there. You

34:29

know, this is a new territory though and a new

34:31

travel schedule and probably a lot of new and unfamiliar

34:33

buildings and whatnot that you have to deal with. So

34:36

who would you say was the first guy to buddy

34:38

up with you and give you advice, weren't you up

34:40

stuff like that? You said, I

34:47

don't think anybody ever did. Really?

34:50

Yeah, I kind of had to

34:52

make my own way, man. So

34:54

like, as far as figuring out schedules and here's where

34:57

you enter the building and this is what time every

34:59

like all that shit you just had to figure out.

35:01

I had to figure it out. That's pretty

35:03

fucked up, man. All right. Ask

35:06

the referees. There you go. Because they're

35:08

not competing with you. No, man.

35:12

No, not exactly a great orientation for

35:14

you there. No, it was it

35:16

was tough. Well,

35:18

speaking of getting acquainted with the WWF

35:20

WrestleMania two took place April 7th. The

35:23

event actually took place in three cities, Long Island,

35:26

Chicago and Los Angeles. You were less than 45

35:28

days into your run and you're on the

35:31

Long Island card for an event that set

35:33

the wrestling world on fire the year prior

35:35

here. WrestleMania. You're at the Nassau

35:37

Coliseum in front of 16,000 fans

35:39

and the headliner for the show. Wow.

35:42

Is Mr. T and Roddy Piper in a boxing match? Yeah.

35:46

All right. Was this the first time

35:48

you performed on pay-per-view and close circuit

35:50

broadcast? Yes. Okay. So

35:53

pretty big moment for you. How would you compare

35:55

the production at WrestleMania to what you'd experienced in

35:58

big shows and other territories? Oh, my God. It

36:00

was completely over

36:02

the top, man. It

36:05

was unbelievable. It

36:07

really was. People have no

36:09

idea the trucks, how

36:11

many workers come in there, how

36:14

many technicians are there.

36:17

I mean, it's not just four or five people.

36:20

We're talking 50 to a hundred people. They're

36:23

there just trying to wire this thing up, right?

36:26

Crazy. It is. It's unbelievable,

36:28

man, how they do it. I mean, there'll be

36:30

tons of wires on the floor, man. And every

36:32

one of them means something. Every

36:35

one of them means something. But

36:39

as far as production stuff goes, it was

36:41

just, it was crazy over the top. You

36:45

know, I remember the catering was just

36:47

unbelievable. You know, you just go in

36:49

there and look like, holy crap, this

36:51

is like eating

36:54

at the Waldorf Astoria or

36:57

something. You know, they had

36:59

everything in the world. Right. For

37:02

frame of reference, how would you compare it to Bill Watts

37:04

catering? Oh, fuck you. Bill

37:08

Watts was a fucking ham sandwich from

37:11

across the street. I'm

37:14

impressed to even had that. I was just picturing

37:16

like water or something. He has sent somebody to

37:18

get it every now and then. Good

37:22

Lord. And also for frame of reference, you're saying

37:24

there's like a hundred production people running around behind

37:26

the scenes with Bill Watts. I'd

37:28

venture to guess maybe 10. Oh

37:31

no. Two or three. That's

37:33

it. That's it. For the

37:35

production on like a major show. Yeah.

37:39

Wow, dude. What else is wild

37:41

is that Mr. T is there. Joan Rivers

37:43

is a guest ring announcer. Joe Frazier was

37:45

in Mr. T's corner. A lot of Gaga

37:47

here. Jake, were you a big 18 fan

37:49

back in the day? No.

37:53

Not a big 18 fan. So

37:55

it's safe to assume that you were under impressed

37:57

with Mr. T under impression.

38:00

Mr. T. I was

38:02

impressed with Joan Rivers though. Oh

38:04

yeah? Yeah, I thought she was cool. So you

38:07

get some decent amount of interaction with her?

38:09

Well I tried and when I did she

38:12

kind of blew me off. Oh.

38:14

So I came out of the

38:17

ring after I beat Wells and turned the

38:19

corner and she was right there with her

38:21

little puppy in her arms. And I swung

38:23

the snake over by her like, now what

38:25

do you think honey? And she

38:29

screamed and yelled for security and

38:31

the security went fuck that man,

38:33

fuck that. Two

38:38

big 400 pound motherfuckers. They

38:41

didn't throw part of me in that snake. Man,

38:45

alright sometimes not too bad to carry a snake

38:47

huh? No, I got in trouble for that.

38:50

Yeah, how would Vince react to you terrorizing one of

38:53

the stars you brought in? I'll

38:57

bet. Man,

38:59

that is hilarious. And

39:02

you know, Mr. T, not too impressed, but at

39:04

the time he was a really big star and

39:06

28 years later you're

39:08

going to be inducted into the same WWE

39:10

Hall of Fame class as him. So some

39:12

weird interconnectivity. Have you like any interactions with

39:15

Mr. T or is it just like hey

39:17

what's up and that's it? I've

39:19

had some interaction with him and he

39:21

was very good to my children, to

39:24

my grandchildren. I

39:26

thank him for that. I

39:29

have no problem with the guy. You know,

39:32

he always stepped up and

39:34

seemed to do his job. It

39:37

didn't seem to be an asshole about

39:39

it either, you know? Because if he had

39:41

a pipe it would have said so. And

39:47

you know, hard to dislike a dude who's

39:49

bringing more eyeballs and he at the time

39:51

like, yeah, big pop culture guy. Doing

39:54

the job. Yes. You

39:57

know, it's our world. and

40:02

He's coming in doing his very best and

40:04

he did he tried his best in this

40:06

boxing match with Piper What did you

40:08

think of the whole thing? It's

40:12

television, bro That's

40:15

all I'm saying You

40:19

know, maybe not a five-star affair But

40:21

you know again, it's man whenever you

40:23

see the posters of the pictures or

40:25

whatever from the event It's those

40:27

two and it gets people saying like boy. I

40:29

wonder what happened there. Yeah. Yeah,

40:32

absolutely Well

40:34

Jake it may not have been the main event at

40:36

mania But it's the main event here on our show

40:38

you take on George Wells in your debut at WrestleMania

40:41

And we've got the final moments right now. Let's have

40:43

a look Alright, well you

40:45

slid back into the ring here as we pick

40:47

up the action and then you catch poor George

40:49

Wells with that knee lift That

40:52

was kind of a cool thing that you did in across

40:54

matches, you know You slide into

40:56

the ring as the guys coming in you kind of

40:58

give him a cheap shot with that knee lift. It's

41:00

good stuff Now you've got

41:02

George hooked DDP boy

41:04

George took it really nicely And

41:09

there's the three count Again,

41:12

here you go slithering over to the bag. I

41:15

got a feeling Damien's gonna make an appearance this

41:17

time at WrestleMania There

41:22

we go undoing the string You

41:30

Get in the audience hyped about it and

41:33

there he is Damien the ref doing a nice job

41:35

selling it to George

41:40

is still selling that DDT beautifully and here

41:43

you go. You're wrapping the snake around his neck.

41:45

Oh No through

41:47

his crotch Back

41:51

up around him George

41:55

is struggling boy. He's

41:57

selling a great And

42:00

you're kind of just sitting there beside him taunting him making

42:03

sure Damien stays wrapped. He's flailing It

42:07

looks like you might be covering him in here a little

42:10

bit while he gets set There

42:13

we go. He's now he's

42:15

spitting something up. What a

42:17

visual that is All

42:20

right, George Wells spitting something up

42:22

there Jake. What do you remember about

42:24

it? Yeah, I hold the job man

42:27

Really put it over didn't he really put the

42:30

DDT over and really put the snake over man

42:33

percent cooperative George

42:36

was a good cat man And

42:39

the foaming of the mouth Alka seltzer

42:42

Alka seltzer. Yeah All

42:44

right popped a couple tablets in and boy, you

42:47

got a hell of a visual at the end.

42:49

Yeah Man it was

42:51

seriously good on George like again, you

42:53

know new guy in town very competitive

42:55

and He's not just letting

42:58

you pin him not just letting you put the snake

43:00

on him. He's enhancing it by like spitting up some

43:03

shit. Yeah They

43:05

got it over damn

43:07

sure did and Overall

43:09

Jake your first WrestleMania did it live up

43:11

to what you expected after the huge spectacle

43:13

the year prior? Oh, yeah Oh,

43:17

yeah You

43:19

knew right away like okay, this is the

43:21

pinnacle of professional wrestling big time man It's

43:26

awesome man where it happens It's

43:29

awesome. The match is awesome We'll share that

43:31

clip online and that is gonna wrap us

43:33

up for this week next week It's that

43:35

time of month again, my friend We're gonna

43:37

turn the keys of the podcast over to

43:39

the listeners for another edition of Ask Jake

43:41

anything They never disappoint do they

43:43

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you of us are right now. He's kind

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