6:00

I would have to be said when

6:02

it got to the point at which

6:05

Rounders said, actually, let's discuss a new

6:07

contract Ancelotti would. Possibly.

6:09

Choose not to renew. Possibly.

6:11

Choose not to continue because he would think

6:13

this is a great option and he was

6:15

really quite excited about possibly have taken over

6:17

Brazil. It felt like the perfect way to

6:19

bring his career to an end. I'm.

6:22

On it would have been kind of or the

6:24

times that A fit into place very very nicely.

6:26

What? Same since then A's. Bought. This,

6:28

there's a couple of footballing things. One is

6:30

the sense that round widget don't have an

6:32

obvious candidates replace him. A least not yet,

6:35

I'm But they are really, really pleased with

6:37

the way that he's worked in terms of

6:39

this transition that there was always a slide

6:41

down, the Ancelotti would do the transition. As

6:44

quickly as Ramsey want to the move from

6:46

the out applies olds younger ones by think

6:48

the performances abetting them. This year I'm more

6:51

than the other young plaza the other young

6:53

passes one of his you have egos improve

6:55

and also months finishes. We saw last season's

6:57

becoming as use import last semester. Slight doubts

7:00

about the the the consistency of the role

7:02

for for com of in guy so many

7:04

of course has become the first choice. Central

7:06

midfielder motors increases to get minutes cruise in

7:08

particular but there is definitely a phasing and

7:11

I was very very keen sense at the

7:13

pretty please rather. That much you look like

7:15

they're on course to. Compete

7:17

for the time to possibly even when it. Let's

7:19

see what happens if you're owner and up. Let's

7:22

go and maybe to a lesser extent Barcelona. Although

7:24

would move the mouse of it's that things are

7:26

looking really really good in Europe and that it's

7:28

just a sense of comfort about every once. and

7:30

the other thing that's happened calls from Portland Point

7:32

of Youth is actually was happening. Brazil looks like

7:34

a little bit of a mess now. I don't

7:36

think this is a decision, has been based just

7:38

on. Okay, Look

7:40

what's happening right now. The whole plan goes out

7:43

the window. but those elements that fade into this

7:45

and then here's the other one and this is

7:47

gonna sound incredibly fifth of the bear with me.

7:49

Wanna say something that sounds incredibly seven? And the

7:51

reason I say this is because this is why

7:53

it was put to me. And. Away

7:55

with puts me by someone who

7:57

knows Carlo Ancelotti. Lives. In

7:59

a city he absolutely loves. In.

8:02

A very nice house in a

8:04

city. Absolutely loves where he is

8:06

completely settled, where he works with

8:08

his son, way has his grandchildren

8:10

around where he's living the perfect

8:12

life. Oh. And. On top

8:14

of that, he's also manage Investments

8:17

Fitness and it's like this: this

8:19

is just to. Kind. Of. Perfect.

8:22

To break up even for that Brazil job which

8:24

is the way that the he he saw are

8:26

it. And so essentially

8:28

this is the decisions that basically everyone's really,

8:30

really happy with. Now this is approved as

8:32

as don't sort of. As he said that

8:35

there was no one them. Essentially

8:37

that Romans had to have to replace

8:39

him. There is s open, has twin

8:41

collide boss yeah, board somewhere in Western

8:43

Germany to incredible work right? Well we

8:45

will use the web I use the

8:47

word and timing and timing is a

8:49

big part of that as a situation

8:51

where with that Szubin on so is

8:53

a position where essentially he will be

8:55

able to choose where he goes next

8:57

if the timings fall into place but

8:59

he's in no hurry, It's the other

9:01

part of this is a causes essentially

9:03

ravages and and this is. A

9:06

think they to defend smoking. Is all odds

9:08

any something I was told about tangible

9:10

things that rounders we sometimes get the

9:12

ah this is do I was puts

9:14

me by by by someone involved that

9:16

sometimes we get the idea that as

9:18

loud conversations going on and around budgeted

9:20

chasing and that that this that yeah

9:22

will want it doesn't really work out

9:24

because rummaging around Madrid I'm Robert Tonner

9:26

choose I rubbed it when rubs his

9:29

site or I. Do. Wanna Do

9:31

This? Then. It's

9:33

just gonna happen. Season doesn't need to be lots

9:35

and lots the comes as going on. What there

9:37

is of course is an awareness of the situation

9:39

in the sense in a situation where six months

9:42

of your non so who is of course one

9:44

of the candidates I'm desensitized with him is is

9:46

no hearth does not hurry to move on from

9:48

where he's there's no hurry to take that decision

9:51

Yes and so that is another thing that actually

9:53

wallet on the faces that wealth white and city

9:55

with Ancelotti when you got this other candidate when

9:57

in a way and says he's the perfect. Continue

10:00

reading the main some because what a beauty

10:02

is about A Chelsea from Ravages By Do

10:04

Is as you'll see is so. This

10:07

is gonna sound terrible. other one or two. On

10:09

Candidates and City So easy as I see.

10:11

you can make the decisions of the right

10:13

time. Do not having the conflict of situations.

10:15

You've got someone you can relate to really

10:18

well. You've got someone that when you feel

10:20

the moment comes a won't be a big

10:22

blow up. It won't be a big problem

10:24

So you could. You can effectively. You

10:27

can you can kind of continue with what you're

10:29

comfortable with in till the moment comes at you

10:31

think is right and if if everybody thinks will

10:33

look there's no hurry Senators don't think that this

10:36

is net which isn't to say that this isn't

10:38

isn't so the alonso someplace future but no one

10:40

is in a hurry to make that decision. And.

10:43

So Ancelotti is is is really.

10:45

I mean him in so many ways insults. He's

10:47

the perfect manager for amateurs I think is perfect

10:49

and sons upon fall. Now I'm not sure the

10:51

Rams into the club always see that because because

10:53

when a things about been hugely ambitious as much

10:55

at all I'm and as far as in a

10:57

pet if is in particular as a manager is

10:59

that as far as much as a presence is

11:01

it somewhere on lies you already outlived his wife.

11:03

He has asked physics or visit a wife is

11:05

a isn't it As far as always says he

11:08

could always get more, You could always push more,

11:10

you could always build more. But. Actually,

11:12

This is pretty well perfect to the moments

11:14

of. it's just no need to do anything

11:16

differently. Who. Are correct

11:19

policy How long a collar to the

11:21

to yeah lasts As a manager of

11:23

around the to the at the moment he

11:25

got a contracts as the next couple of

11:27

years it is not. January said. Yes,

11:30

That. Means that Roma to Tennessee talked

11:32

Italian embassy said one to assess assess

11:35

auto one as well received by our

11:37

abby. Do that now. I

11:39

was thinking this yesterday. I was in the

11:41

taxi way back from from from the Apple.

11:44

I mean go back from the Uk for

11:46

Christmas. A nurse, spotlight and the taxi driver

11:48

had one of the late night radio shows

11:50

on I'm They they by see opened by

11:52

saying effective what you think it's the first

11:54

January can empathize. On. Of us got together

11:56

again and it was the entire such

11:58

as any lessons. At last.

12:02

Supper hour I was gonna impose. Get how those

12:04

going to be a phone quotes in the next

12:06

few days from the Earth is in. Yeah.

12:09

The thing is you know why this is

12:11

a little bit as I sign with Ancelotti

12:13

in a way of sort of doesn't need

12:15

all of that because because yes it does

12:17

the causes conversation for those conversations upon have

12:19

already been had and the sense of where

12:21

round Madrid all arts and where he's at

12:23

his unit the timings of right bear in

12:25

mind and that. Was. It

12:28

during the summer the western some it was

12:30

in the summer because our members of the

12:32

phone conversation a that's when I was in

12:34

Bilbao afro let against Real Madrid and the

12:37

we were both in that area where I'm

12:39

saying is happening now and a very very

12:41

authorize voice from rounders man. But. Next

12:43

summer. Because that was the

12:45

assumption. Now that that's an assumption. But the

12:47

next summer came with a caveat which was.

12:50

A. Less he decides to renew. It.

12:52

Less. For whatever reason he decides to renew

12:54

our extend his contract. Rather Less Famous brings

12:56

it springs in that renewed extend his contract

12:59

it appear seals on a new concept a

13:01

basis on and the truth is we don't

13:03

know where that is because it will be

13:05

ultimately will be his decision now but he

13:07

holds all the cards to use a spot

13:10

A some his wrinkle droplets Spanish phrase he's

13:12

holding the frying pan by the handle. anyone

13:14

else you want to grab hold this is

13:16

going after been the hand he's the one

13:19

holding a by the handle, he's wanting controls

13:21

and he's one of. My goodness is now

13:23

that's not sign of com be a

13:25

huge amount of pressure from all sides.

13:27

the can on and do remember about.

13:30

Seven. Months or six weeks ago Fill that

13:32

there was a bad one of the radius as

13:34

I think he was colonists s that a big

13:36

stores and grounded have given up on and buffet

13:39

Yes and and I think we said at the

13:41

time and we did talk about a briefly that

13:43

story felt very very very much to me like

13:45

the story that is that is essentially a warning

13:48

to him. Listen. Been. Like the pace

13:50

with what you've been asked. Because we I don't

13:52

have the money and we are now in a

13:54

position we think where we don't necessarily need to

13:56

do it. which is not the same as saying

13:58

we won't do it seems a bit later. They're

14:00

not to take a piss. A voice is

14:02

me. personally I'm in sixty Just say the case

14:04

is they do that for a while as he

14:06

asked him in yeah that that is. That is

14:09

true of A I've obviously that the fundamental thing

14:11

is that the the device demands com be the

14:13

kind of things that you would expect to get

14:15

these sheets. The signing on fees com be these

14:18

kind of things that have been talked about before

14:20

because action was rummaging and if you look around

14:22

it's signings A haven't stopped spending money and and

14:24

so many with eighty million betting was a hundred

14:27

and what was it? Hundred and ten was a

14:29

com and bought a single isn't enough for them

14:31

for. Hundred and free. Advice

14:34

to do this for money but there has

14:36

been a degree of course and about raw

14:38

madrid and underwear that this is actually a

14:40

lot of money and and am even for

14:43

them to the big something about this is

14:45

a lot of money might if you're saying

14:47

to me be a betting man doesn't apply

14:49

place around next season. I think I

14:51

still say yes. Or by

14:53

Adam over the decision to his for the

14:55

epa, his to his to be made within

14:57

those constraints in those conditions. Okay,

15:03

That's park out there for now and

15:05

hopefully not ever visited for after several

15:07

months. At a

15:10

like I'm getting a little bit naive

15:12

with us and someone who is a

15:14

very much in the here and now

15:16

for a Barcelona is the thought okay

15:18

or how to pronounce his name correctly

15:20

says why? It's just a whole case.

15:23

A bit is a bit kind of

15:25

them. yeah five that nominal know I'm

15:27

in a hotel. Solar Economic Okay Victor

15:29

wrote Rocky is getting off as secure

15:31

have received. At It. Rothys up are

15:33

set out with his and it's pretty

15:35

exciting and he's very sophisticated. Have his

15:38

presentation on the on the fifth of

15:40

January which I think if I'm on

15:42

now on Friday that's the day before

15:44

Reyes which is the sixth of January

15:46

were. Presents. A traditional

15:48

sense to easier in Spain says you can

15:50

say the hadn't either a charger? yeah yeah

15:52

that soon as you see the head or

15:55

is it I mean I do feel like

15:57

people may be getting. Little

15:59

bit too excited, or maybe pinning too

16:01

many hopes on. He also

16:03

hockey harrys through. Let's just

16:05

remember success. He's eighteen and

16:07

he's experiencing to be ninety

16:09

nineteen next month. He's an

16:11

exciting player. In. The

16:14

ass to fight a Brazilian football season

16:16

and said he as he scored twelve

16:18

goals and provided racist and twenty five

16:20

games he. Scored. Four goals

16:22

and one assist in the A appearances in

16:25

The Best Attorneys which I'm really sort of

16:27

good thing is good numbers for for an

16:29

exciting eighteen year old about a dozen of

16:31

them. I mean, he might be the this.

16:34

Savior. For for for Barcelona,

16:36

who knows. Pat's is. An.

16:39

Eighteen year old. no prior experience outside of

16:41

Brazil. so if you jump a bit of

16:43

an unknown, but we're getting his yeah, I

16:45

think that's adolescents onset fair. I mean obviously.

16:47

look we we are going to. Brought

16:50

from the start say this. I haven't

16:52

seen him play. By. Sir.

16:54

Anything I say now is not by some

16:56

on on on his level is based on

16:58

the on think I didn't you read about

17:00

him clips you see of him. I've not

17:03

seen him play a full game. I'm not.

17:05

I'm almost. I'm reluctant to be the the

17:07

guy that says that the kind of the

17:09

party pooper this is. Don't get excited to

17:11

push, you should get excited. You bull apply.

17:13

Who potentially is really really good and. Brazilian.

17:16

Colleagues will save get this guy's genuinely

17:19

genuinely be special. If we look at

17:21

recent examples of Brazilians, you come to

17:23

Spine Jungle. The most obvious one is

17:25

Finishes of Businesses is a truly brilliant

17:27

football us physical all to get to

17:29

this point as well. That's the other

17:31

thing in with this on Son of

17:33

an aside, Don't get excited about him,

17:35

but obviously I think that there's always

17:38

is a sense that you need to

17:40

back off waivers not be a. Look

17:43

at the papers and and British that you know you look at

17:45

Five Gb. That's ridiculous. You can. See the com as he sees

17:47

exciting as. ridiculous as it's just

17:49

what we do with new players we get excited about

17:51

them we think with this guy to be amazing the

17:53

as you say the key is not set not so

17:55

soon that he's gonna be the guy the risk is

17:57

used as a couple of things that i think possible

20:00

of Christmas at the Del Nino house

20:02

because of course Jose Del Nino Jr.

20:05

is the president, his father Jose Del

20:09

Nino, senior was the

20:11

former president and is the key opposition

20:13

figure and that the General Assembly called

20:15

his son a shit. So

20:19

Christmas round there would have been loads of fun. His

20:22

father is still very much in the opposition.

20:24

Essentially what happened there was that there was

20:26

a legal agreement that his father despite owning

20:28

the shares would not challenge for the

20:30

ownership or for the running of the club, not

20:32

the ownership because the ownership is defined by the

20:34

shares for the running of the club. He is

20:37

now trying to take that legal decision to what

20:39

in fact has done so, lost his first attempt

20:41

at this case. It is brutal in there. I

20:44

don't know if this changes very much in the

20:46

short term because the truth is that Del Nino

20:48

Jr. was kind of running the

20:50

club anyway on behalf of of of

20:52

of Severe and with Pepe Castro as

20:54

the figurehead president. For what it's worth

20:57

he is far more charismatic

21:00

than Castro. I

21:02

think he's a far more public figure than Castro. Now whether

21:04

that turns out to be a good thing or not let's

21:07

see. I think he's more dynamic

21:09

than Castro and but of course the

21:11

real question isn't so much what happens

21:13

there although I think that filters through

21:15

to everything else as whether they get

21:17

the decisions right on on managers

21:20

and on players signings and that's more

21:22

about replacing Montju and of course the

21:24

replacement of him is Victor Orta and

21:26

getting Victor Orta's decisions right with the

21:28

backing of the club of course. All

21:32

right we'll see I mean it's been

21:34

I'm trying to think of a

21:36

word that isn't shit show Severe but yeah

21:38

come up with why it's been genuinely very

21:40

very chaotic behind the scenes there. It has

21:42

indeed. Without even touching what's been going on

21:44

on the pitch but without doubt I think

21:46

one is linked to the other. Let's see

21:48

if this brings a bit of stability although

21:51

it might not. We'll see.

21:53

Staying in Seville because Isco signed

21:55

a contract extension at Real Betis until 2027

21:59

which is this

24:00

exact level all the time. You know that if he has a

24:02

little a run where maybe he only gets one or two assists

24:04

in say seven or eight games instead of what

24:07

seems like an assist every game or a performance of

24:09

magic every game. Because one of the things about a

24:11

player I've often thought this you know

24:13

that the very best players we tend to refer to

24:15

them quite often as being inconsistent and

24:17

that's partly because we're setting levels of consistency that just

24:19

can't be met and I think those players

24:21

that we tend to refer to as consistent and

24:23

yeah I'm trying to think of a player. Nacho Fernandes

24:26

at Real Madrid for example right Nacho and

24:28

they always say siempre comple he's always you

24:30

know he always he always does what he

24:32

wanted to do he's always consistent and there's

24:34

a bit of things that's true and I

24:36

really like Nacho and I think he's a

24:38

good footballer but partly that's because we're setting

24:40

different bars for him than we are from

24:42

Isco. You know he's consistent in the sense

24:44

that he's serious he's focused he makes his

24:46

tackles he doesn't make mistakes although

24:49

actually this season there's been a couple of

24:51

including two horrendous red card challenges but that's

24:53

by the by and so we set the

24:55

bar at that whereas with Isco for him

24:57

to count as consistent it's like we're setting

24:59

the bar as we have to be magical

25:01

every game. Well hang on a minute if

25:03

he's running every bit as much as Nacho and

25:05

I'm only using Nacho because he was the example

25:08

it doesn't matter this Nacho if he's making his

25:10

tackles but then doesn't produce a system we'll say

25:12

well he wasn't very good no he's done everything

25:14

that Nacho did but we're setting different levels of

25:16

for judging consistency and I think I think really

25:18

talented players that's part

25:21

of the problem is that we ask that for them and of

25:23

course that's one of the reasons why Messi and Ronaldo were so

25:25

absurd because these guys were consistent at

25:27

the top end as well it's like this is

25:29

ridiculous. Yes no that's true

25:31

that's absolutely true. Alright before we go a

25:34

quick reminder then of what you're looking forward

25:36

to on this match day Sydney you're going

25:38

to Madrid against Milorca. I'm going to Madrid

25:40

against Milorca I'm going to Las Palmas against

25:42

Barca to be fair Madrid against Milorca might

25:44

not be very good Quite honestly.

25:46

No it might not be. Hold on you're going

25:48

to Las Palmas against Barca. It's quite fun isn't

25:51

it? You're flying all the way to the Franken

25:53

area? Yeah! I mean yes, when was the last

25:55

time you went to a game there? Wow Do

25:57

you know what?? Long

26:00

time I have never been to a game in

26:02

the new say I went to an insecure the

26:04

news that him with Sam Kevin Prince boateng and

26:07

spent quite a long time up writing but you

26:09

know hub look look look around at something wasn't

26:11

completely finished building it's on that was with costs

26:13

quite bizarre. Scenario. Everything was

26:15

kind of com of the plastic and stuff.

26:18

ah but I haven't seen a game their

26:20

says the old in sulabh which is lovely

26:22

place and I've got a funny feeling. To

26:26

offer funny Cydia might be so long ago

26:29

that Vinny suddenly sustain i feel like a

26:31

combat as under like good feel. Like I

26:33

said I feel like I must have been

26:35

since then but that's the only one I

26:38

can think of. some may be wow okay

26:40

I'm a bit a very long for i

26:42

was icy a thank god that must be

26:45

wrong or are we only want to remember

26:47

I was there the last time of if

26:49

a Barcelona and finish one one in twenty

26:51

eighteen and it was her as as a

26:54

terrific evening. so hopefully as you get a

26:56

similar. Levels of our of entertainment

26:58

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