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Hello, and welcome to the Spirited Actor

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Podcast with me Tracy Moore. I

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was a casting director for film and TV and

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commercials for over thirty years.

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I transitioned to a celebrity acting

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coach after I cast a film

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New Jersey Drive with executive

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producers Spike Lee and director

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Nick Domez. I auditioned

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every rapper from Biggie Smalls

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to Tupac, and I realized

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that rappers and musical artists they

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needed help transitioning to acting.

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My clients consist of musical artists

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from Buster Rhymes to Eve,

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Missy Elliott, Angela Yee

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from The Breakfast Club, and Vanessa

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Simmons, to name a few. I also

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coach sports stars and host as

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well. I feel I have the

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best of both worlds. As a casting

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director, I know exactly what they're looking

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for, and as an acting coach, I can

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coach you to be remembered in that room.

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Now I know, I know actors want

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to get the job. I get that, but

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being remembered by casting director that

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is powerful.

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And now it's time for meditation of the day.

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The heart is wiser than the intellect

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Joshua Gilbert Holland. So

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one of the things that I wanted to tell you guys,

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is that we need to trust ourselves

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more. We need to

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trust our own opinion based

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before we trust other people's opinion.

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We will cross the.

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Street on a green light, and

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we will trust that every single

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driver behind that vehicle, which

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can be a weapon. Sometimes we

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will trust that they

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will stop and allow us to cross

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the street, but we won't trust

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our instincts on a move that we should

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make for ourselves. The

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only opinion that matters

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in your life is the opinion

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that you have of yourself. Your

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opinion becomes the foundation of

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every other belief, every other

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anything that you are

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building your character from

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comes from that foundation. Let

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that foundation be trusting of

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yourself. When you learn

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to trust yourself, you learn

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the freedom in which you have. Today,

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I will embrace the truth that

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we are here to choose

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and to have choices

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that are for the betterment of

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me. Before we get started,

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I'd like to remind everyone to look

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out for my new show, Inside

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the Black Box. I'll be co hosting

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with the great Joe Morton. We'll

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be on Crackle Network real soon.

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I'll keep you posted. Welcome

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to the Spirited Actor Podcast

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with me Tracy Moore, I am

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so excited about our guests today. He

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is, and I hope he knows

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this because I know so many

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actors that it's really challenging for

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me to like communicate to.

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Them, you know, all the time.

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However, I hope he knows that he's one

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of my favorite actors and I've had a pleasure

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of watching his journey and

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I want to.

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Continue on this series

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so to.

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Speak, that we've been on since last week

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about talking about the journey of an

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actor. And this is an

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actor, a working actor,

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a passionate actor, a dedicated

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actor, and I want

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to talk about his resilience and persistence

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because he has

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gotten the bulk of his work on his

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own.

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So there are ways out there.

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Ladies and gentlemen, stop complaining, stop

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judging, and get your treasure

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chest together, because he's about to drop

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some diamonds, emeralds, pearls, Ladies

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and gentlemen. I want to stand up for actor, author,

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producer, so many other faiths.

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Mister jamel Hower,

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thank you, thank.

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You, thank you, and man, it's such an honor

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to be on the show, and I appreciate

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you bringing beyond and the

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connection is always magnetic,

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you know, so amazing,

4:19

so amazing. I appreciate you so much. Bill.

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Yesterday, you guys, I had the pleasure of

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talking to him, which I thought. I was like, oh, I'll call

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him. You know, we're going to talk for a minute. I

4:29

did not want to get off phard with him. I was

4:31

like, wait, let me save some of

4:33

this for tomorrow. But more importantly,

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like, that's how I know that.

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I you know, I have a connection with actors

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because I'm genuinely invested so

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many things, so many magnificent

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credits that you have. I want to start

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at the beginning, and I ask you, guys

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this question, did

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acting choose you or

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did you choose acting?

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I'm going I'm gonna say it chose

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me. I

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started off in music where

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I was an artist and I

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didn't really know the business,

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so I was, you know, they were kind of taking

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advantage of me. At the time, I

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had got a record deal, uh

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with Warner and I didn't even know. They

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took the money and

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I didn't even know, and so they had

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Meanwhile, I was still struggling out, you know, I

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was, I wasn't making no money. And

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I met a guy when I was opening up

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for Fat Joe the rapper

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on the show. I met a guy backstage

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that said, hey, you know, you gotta

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you know. We talked for a while and he was like, you got a good

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look and you got some good character, man, you should

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try to give the acting thing a shot.

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And I was like, I never thought about that,

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you know. And then one day

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I was in the city and I seen an open

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audition back in the day when they.

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Still who's but

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we were still alive.

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Right, you know, everything was live

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and you can get people faced, and you

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know, man, it was an open

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audition for a Burger King commercial. Uh

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huh. And I just said, let me give

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this a shot. You know. The guy put the thing

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in my ears. I was like, let me, let me try this.

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And I walked in there and

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when I walked out, they was like, hey, come back

6:24

in here, come back in there. You booked

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it. They want to they want to tell I was like, what, And

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I booked it. And

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that's how it chose end up choosing

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me.

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You know, working with musical artists, I

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always feel that it's

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a natural transition inside of you

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guys, because you

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tell a story through song, you

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know, and and the advantage

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correct me if I'm wrong But the advantage

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that I feel like you have as a musical

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artist compared to someone who

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is is starting down the business aspiring

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is that you and even working actors, you hear

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the music.

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In the words.

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Yeah yeah, so you

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know what I mean.

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So that to me, that's

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on a connection.

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That's something that has

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to be taught right, especially in comedy,

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because comedy.

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Is about rhythm and boom and

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rhythm boom.

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Right, so there's a certain pacing and

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then dramatic. So I

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think that the fact that you have that ability

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takes it to me in a different

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level because when you approach

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words, you know how things

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are supposed to sound and the rhythm,

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so it's more of an understanding

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for you when you and.

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You connect to both. Come on, that's

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why you got a resume.

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Everybody go to.

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IMDb dot com right now, That's.

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Why you got a rhythm And it's you

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know, it's it's multidimensional,

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you know, because you're looking from

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my you know, from my background with the music.

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It does give you an extra tool because

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you're looking at I come, take a sentence

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and my imagination create

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a whole song off of a city

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from a movie.

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Ye, So it gives you a different

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dimension to it. And

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then there's the other dimension of it, Like you said,

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the sound frequency, house

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things sound and it's important, and those

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two things are actually when I got

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into science, I've realized that those

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two things are actually what the

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universe is made. That's

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it. It's the whole universe is

8:35

frequency, you know, and

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it's important. And I'm learning how

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to piece those things together. Yeah,

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it's shaped my whole career for sure.

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Yeah, and that's why, like

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to me as a captain director, that's why

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your work stands out.

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You know, there was a point in everybody's

8:54

career when you would say, oh, you know, somebody

8:57

can say, oh, Jaelle, you remind me

8:59

of such and such a actor, right It's like, well,

9:01

but I'm Jamel Howard right now,

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It's like people say, you remind me

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of Jamel Howard, you know what I mean. So,

9:08

but you have crafted

9:11

that uniqueness of your own. And

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I'm gonna tell you, like, from the day on I

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met you, knew of you. I

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was like leading man, leading man, leading

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man.

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But dot dot dot mystery.

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You know what I'm saying. I don't know if I trust you one hundred

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percent.

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Right off the bag, Like you got

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you've got some other things to add.

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To I'm gonna saying, which is

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great because that's engaging to watch

9:38

those characters, you know what. It's

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just I mean, and

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you know what I think that like, let's

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talk about that first

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project for you, because this I love

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when you guys have that moment where

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you knew, you know, the

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perform to this safe.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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That moment came later in

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the career. That

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was more like the purge

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for me. I believe it was like, uh,

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I feel like I'm comfortable

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and you know, and then I was pressed

10:23

with a challenge because the director was

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changing up things. You know, he was changing

10:27

things up quick, like listen, switching

10:29

that up. You gotta be this is gonna be this. The script

10:31

is gonna be this, and we're going to go to

10:34

blocking in a few hours. I'm like, you

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know, and get to blocking and

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they like, you know, let's read over. We were going

10:42

over it, and then I'm like, no,

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I don't remember it, so I'm still on paper

10:47

and the

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director graw He's like, hey, listen,

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Universal is right here

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and Blumhouses right here,

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and you should get this together

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right now. He said, challenge,

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and I accepted the challenge. I was like you, when

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when you say action, don't worry about it right right

11:08

now. But when you say action, don't worry about it. And

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when we got to that scene and that was the

11:13

scene where the ice cream

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truck blew up, and then he called me, yo,

11:18

Zoe, we need you over here. And I went over there and I'm

11:20

looking at the dead bodies and I'm giving him

11:22

all the four one one on the bodies that

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it flowed so effortlessly because

11:27

I start to look at and

11:30

absorbed the actual character

11:33

and I am his right

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hand man. I'm the knowledge guy. I'm the

11:37

guy that knows who these gang

11:39

guys are. I'm the guy, and I just accepted

11:42

it, you know, like they need

11:44

me right And that

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part changed my you know, changed my

11:48

view of my perception of acting

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in a hole because just

11:55

just accepting that I belong here, you

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know, it's that's when you arrive.

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It's like I belong to the next to this guy,

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and this guy now like I'm here,

12:04

you know. So that was

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the big moment for me.

12:08

So let me ask you, because I know

12:10

I'm talking to an actor, and when I

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say that, I'm talking to someone who

12:15

understands the work

12:17

of an actor. So now

12:20

you live in this world

12:23

episodic where you have

12:25

at least two takes.

12:27

Maybe and film.

12:30

I'm working with one of my clients

12:32

on a film in Atlanta right now. It's a

12:34

lifetime movie, and I

12:37

feel so challenged because I

12:40

prep her for the work. We do the work,

12:43

but everything is has to be fit

12:45

in fifteen days. Fifteen

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days A key took film

12:51

and I come from just another girl on irt.

12:53

We had no money. We filmed however

12:55

long it took on the weeknd, that's how long it

12:57

took us to shoot the film. But the rich

13:00

film that I ever worked on was at least

13:02

four.

13:02

Weeks, right, right,

13:04

No, they crunching them now they're condensing

13:07

it and it's yes,

13:09

yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of pressure

13:12

for the actors. I can't I can't lie

13:14

about that. It definitely is a lot of pressure.

13:17

So how do you deal with that pressure? Because this

13:19

is what I imagine. I imagine

13:22

the pressure is memorization. I

13:24

imagine the pressure is you don't

13:26

have time to develop.

13:27

These characters to the extent that you may.

13:30

So when you get that white copy and

13:32

that contract is signed and that check

13:34

clears.

13:35

You got to start working.

13:36

It's work gone, it's go time. So

13:38

this is what I usually do. And

13:41

I and I'm a pest to them

13:43

after they they you want me, okay,

13:46

now I'm a past send it before I even get

13:48

the contracts, before I get to anything,

13:51

I already started to work because

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I tell them send me the script.

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And when they send me the script, and

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sometimes they you know, they're like, okay, but we just

14:00

waiting on it, and I'll hit them

14:02

tomorrow. Hey I didn't get that script. You didn't

14:04

email that. We're just trying to get it

14:06

together. We got to last. Okay, send me what you got.

14:09

Let me see something that my character did,

14:11

you know, and get understanding

14:13

of who the character is. And I start putting

14:15

in the work before they get to

14:18

any of the business and

14:21

that for that reason, they crunching

14:24

everything. So I'm like, I don't want to

14:26

be the one off guard and you

14:28

you know, wasting money because of me

14:30

not being prepared. I don't want to be prepared. Send

14:33

me everything right now, you know. So

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I learned that you can't never

14:37

never go wrong with asking, you

14:40

know. So you got to ask, be on top of the

14:42

things, man, and That's how I kind of balanced

14:44

it out. Is just prematurely

14:46

asking for everything. I want everything now,

14:48

can you you gotta script Bible this

14:51

that Just send me anything you got and

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it helped a lot. It helped a lot, But I

14:56

don't think it's going to change because they want

14:58

to be able to do it faster and

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faster and faster r con then so

15:03

you know, we got to just get stronger and

15:06

you know, and buildings.

15:07

But how do you feel like as an

15:09

actor?

15:10

One?

15:10

Can you really emphasize because I know

15:13

you know the training aspect of it,

15:15

because you're speaking about it now, And

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how does it make you feel as an actor?

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Because I

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believe this is the new norm.

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I believe that the best kept secret

15:25

in terms of independent film was that we could shoot

15:27

the film Orf to.

15:28

Field with eight days on the folk and

15:31

made six hundred billion off of it. The

15:34

studios know now. So I'm just

15:36

saying this is going to be your norm. Fifteen

15:39

to twenty one day.

15:40

Shoots done, done and a

15:43

lot of some of the work. You know, well,

15:46

what I did in I

15:48

shot a movie call I Got Problems actually

15:50

on BT that I wrote and

15:53

as well, yeah, thank you, and

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I played the you know I played this

15:59

second Lea and

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what I did and we can that was

16:04

one of those crunch you know. But

16:07

what I did was I just first,

16:10

like I said, I got all versions

16:12

of the script and me being one of the writers

16:14

that helped a lot because I can. But

16:16

you know, even after turning everything over,

16:19

it's like, send me back any you

16:21

know edits or anything immediately.

16:24

And then it's

16:27

one thing that people got to really

16:29

understand. It's a sacrifice.

16:32

There's something you're going to have to sacrifice.

16:34

And Kanye said in the line

16:37

he said in the song he said, he said, you

16:39

know, I don't know what I like more getting paid

16:41

or getting laid. I know when I'm getting one,

16:44

the other's getting away. It's like something

16:46

is going to have to suffer for

16:48

you to make this, you

16:51

know, develop this character the way

16:53

you want and be on top of the game

16:55

so that when the time crunch, you are prepared.

16:58

So I might can't talk to

17:00

my mother like she's on my ear

17:02

every you know, my on these

17:04

few days, you're gonna have to just chill. I

17:07

can't talk to my brother and they like, hell, how

17:09

do you do this? How you do that? You're gonna have to figure that

17:11

out for a minute. I got to put this time in. I

17:14

need you to just chill, and I go

17:16

to my space, and my space

17:18

and my pieces is a big,

17:20

big factor in everything I'm doing. And

17:22

I go to my space, I relax,

17:25

I breathe, I do a lot of meditation,

17:27

and it allows me to absorb everything

17:30

and shut out everything else for a minute,

17:33

you know. And it's super important to be able

17:35

to do that because we

17:37

are used to responding so much

17:39

to life and things and questions

17:41

and phone and this and TV and

17:44

responding, and

17:47

it's a disrupt it's an interruption,

17:49

you know. So when you

17:51

shut down some of those things and sacrifice

17:54

a few of those things. Even social media,

17:56

like I shut it down, like you know, when it's work time. I'm

17:58

like, they like, you don't even post like that. And

18:00

a PR was like, I don't know about putting you up.

18:02

You don't really post a lot. I'm like, I'm working, I'm

18:05

not you know, I have to focus,

18:07

you know, And so you got

18:09

to sacrifice a few of those things. On top

18:12

of requesting everything

18:14

early and getting on top of things

18:16

and having everything before you know, everything

18:19

gets really hits the crunch time

18:21

and then sacrificing a few of those

18:23

things. That's usually the

18:25

formula for success.

18:27

For that, I agree.

18:29

And I want to say in

18:31

terms of you being a screenwriter author,

18:35

I so appreciate

18:38

love the fact that you took your career in

18:40

your own hands and made a decision

18:42

to create. Because I was speaking

18:44

to a producer on Friday

18:47

and he said, let me tell you something, Tracy, if

18:49

your students are not creating their

18:51

own content, they are not in

18:53

the game at all. And so

18:56

I was like, really, he was like, this is where

18:58

we are at and so and

19:01

to be able to congratulations as.

19:03

Well sell it, get distribution. I mean,

19:06

ladies and gentlemen, this is not an easy task.

19:10

And I can speak from I told you

19:12

inside the Black Box eighteen years,

19:15

you.

19:15

Know, and that one year did I say,

19:18

you know that.

19:18

I'm a give up never never,

19:23

no no, because.

19:24

You see the vision.

19:26

And now when you started to say meditation

19:28

turning off the noise, we speak the same language

19:30

because that's like me talking right now.

19:33

So and I appreciate love too that

19:36

and that's why actors

19:38

is so important. I always say, Jamel, we give

19:41

energy to everybody else and then we get home too

19:43

tired. To exercise, too tired to do our

19:45

skincare rougene. No, I'm not doing

19:47

that. I'm not giving you

19:49

all of me, you know, I'm

19:51

just not going to do that. So when

19:54

you are creating as an author, because

19:56

I know a lot of writers

19:58

in my class or people we want to start,

20:01

what type of advice can you give actors about

20:03

creating their own content?

20:05

Writing their own content?

20:07

I would say it's

20:09

two different sides of that. One is

20:13

the authenticity. You know, it

20:15

always gets people

20:17

to bite and don't be scared to just step

20:19

out and do your own thing, like this is

20:21

what I want to write, this is the

20:23

thing I like to write, and do that thing because

20:26

that's usually going to be your best work. You

20:28

know. Everybody is trying to write and fit

20:30

in the box of something. Instead

20:33

of that, just do what was on the heart first.

20:35

This is me and I'm writing this

20:38

and I love to write like this, and this is the thing

20:40

I want to write. And then you that's the

20:42

story, you know, Yes, put that story

20:44

together and then maybe that some

20:46

people want to help mold it and sharpen it

20:48

a little bit. Hey, you could add this to it and make it, you

20:51

know, and then it turns it into something that everybody

20:55

can relate to. But you

20:57

start with the thing that you love, you

20:59

know, and make that make that the story.

21:02

So right, write what you love, you know. That's

21:05

that's my biggest advice. This the

21:07

story that got picked up on BT was

21:10

about a scientist that I wrote was about

21:12

a scientist who lived in the hood and he

21:14

was going to NASA and his

21:17

friend ended up killing somebody and

21:19

he got they's trying to pin it on him, and

21:22

he's running around the hood, you know,

21:24

over the course of a weekend, trying to clear his name.

21:26

But the brother of the gangster that

21:28

that tried to pen it on him was a cop,

21:31

and he's like, yo, you better telling his brother

21:33

we got to pen it on his kid because they're gonna

21:35

figure out as you So he's running from

21:38

the police and he's running from the gangster

21:40

and he's the scientist. So there's

21:42

different dimensions of my life, not

21:44

the running and all of that. But I love science,

21:47

so it's a lot of science references

21:49

in there. The kid lived

21:51

with his grandmother who adopted

21:54

him. I'm adopted child. My mother

21:57

was incarcerated, yeah,

21:59

and enforced to care you know. So

22:01

that's a part of me, you know, so

22:04

different nuggets in there is a part of

22:06

me. I never was like everybody

22:08

when they say you're a product you know the

22:11

environment. I'll never believe that because

22:13

my environment was what I just wrote about,

22:15

and I was designed. You know, dude, need

22:17

to get out of that, you know. So a

22:20

lot of them I would say, just write what you love,

22:23

man, And the next thing I'm writing, there's some extra

22:26

terrestrial you know, some sci fi I'm

22:28

in that, you know.

22:29

We do.

22:30

I love. I love that. That's my thing.

22:33

So I gotta I

22:35

gotta send you this this link.

22:37

Let me tell you, Javelle, this is how

22:40

much of it to I mean aliens.

22:42

Right when I was married, I

22:44

used to I used

22:47

to pick our vacation spots

22:50

based on hot spots. It

22:52

wasn't until we were in Arizota that my husband

22:55

was like, what

22:59

is it?

22:59

And then he real.

23:03

This is where they've seen that uf old that

23:05

job over there? Yeah, you got me

23:08

over here. I know about that.

23:12

Oh my god.

23:13

So I.

23:16

Love the range. Your range is

23:18

fierce. I love the range.

23:23

Man. You're going to.

23:25

Listen.

23:25

I'm gonna send you something too. But

23:28

I definitely, well,

23:32

you know what this is what I believe. I believe

23:35

that we reconnect for a reason, and

23:37

like when you know, because

23:41

I'm transitioning, I want to direct

23:43

full time for the rest of my life and play

23:45

with all my friends.

23:46

That's my goal because

23:49

a lot of friends and a lot

23:51

of talent friends and just play.

23:57

You know.

23:59

It's not I you know, and

24:01

I feel like for a long time

24:03

I've silenced that side of me because

24:05

it's like, yeah, I want to direct, you know, and play.

24:08

But now it's in more than ever.

24:09

The urge is like, yeah, we're

24:11

doing this because you have been

24:14

doing this, so we're doing this. So I

24:16

was directing in the when we did live

24:18

casting, I was directing in there.

24:20

I didn't even know it because I wasn't conscious.

24:22

I was just like I would do things with my assistants,

24:24

say listen because you know we have VHS.

24:27

Back then, I would say, do me a favor, stop.

24:31

Rewind record over that, janew

24:35

do it again. This is what they're looking for, man,

24:37

and you got it, but listen, you

24:39

know. So I want to throw out some

24:41

of your credits here before because I feel like

24:43

Andy's going to be punching that in.

24:47

The chat too.

24:48

Okay, So law.

24:50

And Order, which is a dynamic

24:52

franchise. A dynamic franchise.

24:54

I've you know, I worked on the other side

24:56

of New York Undercover and

24:59

so so I think that's so dynamic, Like

25:01

when you do New York shows and you're a New York

25:04

actors, so to speak, like, I just think that's

25:06

so fierce that you're a part of that branchise. But

25:09

actors, I want you to listen to these credits

25:11

here. He also

25:13

produced by Robert de Niro, which

25:16

I love, Like NYC

25:18

twenty two, can you tell them what

25:20

that was and how it was working with Robert.

25:22

I love Robert de Niro.

25:24

Yeah, he's amazing man, And that

25:27

was one of that was in the beginning of my career when

25:30

I was getting a lot of just three

25:33

four line punches, and I

25:35

met him and he just was

25:37

amazing and just giving me a little bit of game

25:40

and the show he basically

25:42

got took. You know, it didn't last that

25:44

long, right I know, yeah,

25:48

really yeah, yeah, so,

25:51

but he was amazing man, and that was a short

25:53

lived thing. I think that, you know, the

25:55

way the universe aligns people, I

25:57

think it was meant for me to get a couple

26:00

of things that he told me, And yeah,

26:02

which you know, just how

26:04

to how to stay on site.

26:07

Uh, stay in sight of the

26:10

flow of life is

26:12

what I call it. It's that rhythm, you

26:14

know, how to stay in that line, you

26:17

know, And that's all I really,

26:19

I don't think it was more about the role for

26:22

that particular project. It was more about

26:24

getting that that nugget, you know.

26:27

But it was dope, man. It was amazing

26:30

being on set with one of the big

26:32

heavy ratings.

26:33

Yeah, yeah, the.

26:34

Greatest, and you guys, he

26:36

had reoccurring roles. One of my

26:38

favorites. And I'm not a Marvel person,

26:40

but Luke Cage was one of my favorite shows.

26:43

And it was just so random because like I

26:46

just don't.

26:47

Oh my goodness, that's when I was a big I

26:50

was such a big Marvel fan before

26:52

that, and that that particular

26:55

show change change

26:59

me. Uh, because I was

27:01

in the beginning of my career. I was looking at film

27:04

and you know, remember I'm transitioning from music,

27:06

but I was still in the street. I was still like,

27:09

it's a hustle to me, and I'm thinking, do

27:11

this get my money? Do this get my money? But

27:13

when I was on set, when I got booked for that,

27:15

and I was in my trailer and I got

27:17

the producers of Marvel and Netflix

27:21

directors and then they outside like is

27:23

Jamail ready? It is Jamail ready. I'm listening

27:25

like wow, Like that's it

27:28

was. It was such an awakening for

27:30

me. That was like producers

27:32

of Marvel is like, it is Jamail

27:35

ready. And this is something I was a kid and I

27:37

grew up on and you know, so at

27:39

that point I stopped looking at it as a hustle

27:42

and I was like, I really want to be great

27:44

in this. I want this feeling, you know, to

27:46

last. And it changed

27:49

my career. After that, I was, you

27:51

know, I was settled in ye

27:53

this. I want to be a

27:55

good character. I want to be a good actor.

27:58

I want to you know, I was settled in my decision

28:00

of wanting to do that and

28:02

not even thinking about the money. You know, I just

28:04

let go, you know.

28:06

Yeah, And you know I

28:08

wanted to interject to audience.

28:10

Another thing about musical

28:13

artists and my experience of helping to transition

28:15

them into a film and TV, is

28:18

that you're also very conscious of your body.

28:20

You know, you you you

28:23

unconsciously know everything about

28:25

the movement of your body as an artist

28:27

when you're performing, So when you transition

28:29

into an actor, that's something that you don't

28:31

have to be concerned about as long as you

28:34

have which is something

28:36

that you learn. The inner voice has

28:38

to be active within your character like in

28:40

real life.

28:41

So you're gonna I don't

28:43

have.

28:43

To if I'm thinking, oh, she makes

28:46

me mad, I don't have to say to myself, Tracy,

28:48

holds your hands up and be mad.

28:49

It's just automatically going to happen.

28:52

Right, So does that work for

28:55

you in terms of movement?

28:57

Yes, And I think that I never

29:00

identified it. It's just something

29:02

that's just natural. But now that you may

29:05

be aware of that, I'm gonna be I'm definitely gonna

29:07

use that and put

29:09

a big beam on that, because

29:12

yeah, you just it's just something that is

29:15

automatic. You connect

29:17

with it. It's a it's a rhythm and it's

29:19

a dance, you know, and and

29:21

you looking at everything, is

29:24

this rhythm? Is this dance? And you

29:26

just flowing in between it, and it's just naturally

29:29

you you do the step, you know, and

29:32

the person makes the step out you stuck with them,

29:34

and you know you used to just moving

29:36

like that, and and that's a perfect

29:38

way. I'm glad you made me aware of that from

29:42

focusing you know that right there? Yeah,

29:44

that's that's exactly describe it.

29:46

No, No, for sure.

29:48

It gets brilliant because you

29:50

know, when you go to acting school for

29:52

the first time, I'm talking about acting one on

29:54

one, the first thing they say is, you know, this

29:56

is your tool, this is your body is

29:59

And so what happens in my experience

30:02

is that people.

30:03

Disconnect the body from

30:05

themselves.

30:06

So it's things are awkward, standing

30:09

is awkward, all of this.

30:10

And it's like you got it.

30:12

Like you said, it's a rhythm and a vibration

30:15

because it's not just your energy.

30:18

Really quickly, I coached

30:21

someone in Color Purple Oprah One Tree's

30:23

production, and one

30:26

of the actors dropped one

30:28

of the celebrity, but one of the

30:31

actors dropped the line which

30:33

could have jolted

30:35

by client. However, being

30:38

vibrationally connected with the ensemble,

30:41

she just said something that jarred the

30:43

other actor to come back and get back

30:45

in that rhythm.

30:46

But if you and he's a singer too, she's

30:49

a thing.

30:50

Wow.

30:51

Yeah, So it was just natural.

30:54

It just flowed as opposed to panicking

30:56

or you.

30:57

Know how.

31:00

We used to have mic cutting off in the and

31:03

put the mic down. Yeah, kick

31:06

the B box yo check. You know,

31:08

we just go with the thing, you know.

31:11

And you've been on the stage where you've

31:13

been like this and a.

31:14

Whole stupid

31:19

that is.

31:19

So I don't know how. I don't

31:21

know how, y'all.

31:22

I've been really blessed with some of my clients,

31:25

specifically Buster. I've been a lot of his

31:27

shows, and to be backstage and

31:29

to watch the audience, it is mesmeriting

31:32

that, you guys, from ten thousand

31:34

people to two hundred and fifty thousand,

31:36

it's just crazy.

31:39

I'm going to let you know what I'm going

31:41

to do.

31:41

I'm going to let you give your last words after

31:44

class in session because I want because

31:46

you'll also see the actors as well.

31:48

And be able to get feedback.

31:49

But we're going to go into I'm going to bring Elsa

31:52

Lapin on now, and Elsa's going to introduce

31:54

the actors and they're going

31:56

to ask you a question.

31:59

Yes, that

32:01

was so refreshing, Thank you, Jamel. That was

32:03

wonderful. So today,

32:07

absolutely today we have

32:09

two of our spirited actors.

32:11

We have Miss Leahmitria

32:14

Starks. Welcome Leamitria, you can

32:16

come on camera.

32:17

Yeah, and we have.

32:18

Mister Jamal Began.

32:22

These are my favorite too.

32:27

And we also have mister Muhammad Williams.

32:29

Welcome back.

32:31

Nice to meet you, brother.

32:32

Nice, nice to meet you brother, much

32:34

appreciated man.

32:36

Likewise likewise.

32:38

So Leah Mitri and your first what's your question?

32:41

So my question is, with you all having

32:44

the shorter filming

32:46

times, what is your memorization

32:48

process that could help other actors

32:51

when they have to memorize lines quickly.

32:54

That's a great question, and that's something

32:56

that I teach a couple of a

32:58

couple of people under me. What

33:00

I do is I take my

33:03

phone the recorder or

33:06

you know, you got your voice recorder, and

33:08

I record. I read the script

33:11

and I press record, and I read

33:13

everybody's lines and read

33:15

minds in my head. So I'm reading

33:17

with myself and I leave out my lines,

33:20

and then I go back and press play, and

33:22

I'm able to everybody's lines.

33:24

Is there and they saying they part because it's

33:27

all me. But then I'm saying my part out

33:29

loud. That triggers the brain

33:31

to lock it in faster. It's

33:35

it's it's almost like listening to a song,

33:37

and you're going to learn a song, and just like

33:39

teaching kids, they learned you know,

33:42

math and stuff through songs faster than

33:44

a teacher teaching normally. So

33:46

you want to put it in a rhythm like that,

33:49

that's that's like putting it in the you know, in

33:51

rhythm. It helps a lot and

33:53

you'll you'll remember it a lot quicker. I can

33:55

remember you know, a few

33:57

pages in like an hour

34:00

or so, you know, and it's like boom boom

34:02

boom, I get it, you know, and

34:04

bigger scripts. Of course, it'll take you a day or

34:06

two, but you'll get it faster, a lot faster.

34:10

Okay, thank you so much.

34:12

You're welcome.

34:14

Man.

34:14

That was that was that was huge.

34:16

That's great of

34:18

the process, you know. And I wanted

34:21

to really focus on figuring that thing out

34:23

because it takes a lot of pressure off you

34:26

once you know the words. That's the actor

34:28

is one of our biggest fears is forgetting the

34:30

words, you know, and

34:32

that I wanted to take the pressure off. So I

34:34

had to figure out a system that can

34:37

can lock it in faster. And that's

34:39

been working for me for years.

34:41

That that one little system right

34:43

there does it.

34:46

That's awesome, Thank you. So

34:48

Mohammed, what is your question?

34:50

My question is more so on

34:53

the on the writing piece. What

34:55

is your process When you have an idea

34:58

or something that's formulating in your head and

35:00

you're like, you know what, I need to get this down? What is

35:02

your process? Do you just do a couple of

35:04

bullet points and then you developed from it or

35:06

do you just go directly into it and just start

35:08

writing.

35:10

So I'm a right brain person. I'm

35:12

more Einstein than anything. So

35:15

Einstein said your imagination will

35:18

take you further than knowledge. So

35:20

what he meant by that was that

35:22

long as you can imagine something, you

35:25

can you can bring it into existence.

35:27

And there are things that imagine

35:30

that exists in another dimension

35:33

already and you think you don't. It's

35:35

not here, it's not in front of you, but it's in another

35:37

dimension for sure. So with

35:40

that being said, I like visual So

35:42

as soon as I think of something, I thought

35:44

that this alien movie. The

35:46

first thing I did was, let me look for

35:48

a name that hit that that feels,

35:51

you know, heavy, And I find the name and

35:53

then I find pictures. That's

35:55

that's the most important thing in

35:58

my righting process. I

36:00

look for the pictures first, I don't write one word

36:02

down. It's pictures. I find a

36:04

picture. Okay, there's gonna be

36:06

a fight with two aliens. I give me a picture

36:08

of some deep alien fighting or something

36:10

going on. I put that on my on

36:13

my word, you know,

36:15

make a word. She put that on there. Then

36:17

I bring Okay, the guy looks crazy. He's

36:19

at the top of the mountain, or he's on the top of

36:21

a building and he's looking down at it. I'm picturing

36:23

scenes, and I'm bringing his

36:26

pictures for the scenes, and then

36:28

I take that and then I start writing.

36:31

I use pictures first to

36:34

get me in the vision of the movie

36:36

or the show or whatever. And once

36:38

it puts me in the mood and the energy of

36:40

it, then I get words. They just come

36:43

like, okay, I could see it

36:45

starts off with this same guy that

36:47

I got the picture of. He's walking and it might

36:49

be some dirty, dirty warehouse

36:52

and it's a rat just crossed his legs and

36:54

he's looking down and he'd be you

36:56

know, it comes to you. After you get

36:59

these visuals images, you'll

37:01

start to you know, get the get

37:03

the process that's going faster because

37:05

your imagination triggers it and

37:07

it's just start pouring, you know, and

37:10

that's the getting started, you know, that's

37:12

the main thing. Once you get that first thing

37:14

down, it's like a all right, I'm good, you

37:17

know, broke the yolk. I'm good, you know.

37:19

Yeah, right, I appreciate.

37:21

That absolutely, absolutely,

37:25

absolut thank you, all.

37:28

Right, thank you.

37:28

Also, thank you Leomitria and Mohammed.

37:32

So you're going to see them in a few seconds.

37:36

So Jamel is going to stay

37:38

with us. You guys are so blessed. I'm so

37:40

grateful to have your presence here and hear

37:42

all the things.

37:43

This is wonderful. You are really really

37:45

touching a lot of people.

37:47

When we come back to the Spirited Actor Podcast

37:50

with me Tracy Moore, we're going to do class

37:53

and session and we're going to get some more nuggets

37:55

from Jamel Power. Welcome

37:59

back to the Spirited Actor Podcast

38:01

with me Tracy Moore, and

38:03

you are still blessed. We have actor

38:06

author extraordinaire Jamel

38:09

Howard.

38:09

Is still with us.

38:11

Yes, all right, I see y'all standing up and clapping

38:13

as you should.

38:14

Because he left. He gave y'all from stuff, okay,

38:18

and we're.

38:20

Going to extend another invitation to

38:22

him because he's a wealth of knowledge.

38:23

Try y'all.

38:25

So now we're gonna have class and session where

38:27

we bring on the actors spirit actor alumni

38:29

and they are going to perform a scene for

38:31

Jamel and then he's going to come

38:33

back and give us some real good nuggets, some more

38:36

you guys.

38:37

So, Elsea's going to come.

38:38

On and she's going to introduce the actors

38:40

and I'll pH be the narrative for the scene.

38:44

Yes, so today's less

38:46

and session, we are welcoming back,

38:48

Miss Leahmitria starts Welcome back,

38:50

Lea Mitia, thank you for having

38:52

me, And mister

38:55

Muhammed Williams, Welcome back, Mohammed.

38:57

I appreciate that as always, thank you all for having

38:59

me absolutely.

39:02

So today's scene is

39:05

written by Dana Kiel. Homecoming

39:08

been a minute exterior

39:10

campus lawn steps, evening dusk.

39:13

Marcus Travis sits on the steps, texting.

39:16

Meanwhile, Denise Wilkes Wicks

39:20

wraps up a phone call as she walks

39:22

in Mark's direction.

39:26

Okay, girl, what time are you going to get there?

39:29

Denise stops a bout a yard from

39:31

her from Mark. As he

39:33

looks up from his.

39:34

Phone, that's an hour

39:37

away. I gotta eat. Okay,

39:41

I hit you in about an.

39:43

Hour, Denise

39:46

Wicks, Yes,

39:50

forgive me.

39:51

I know your face, but I

39:54

can't remember nobody's name. The

39:56

pandemic took my memory.

39:58

It's all good. We all that. You know, we don't

40:00

remember names both, but

40:05

it's Mark Mark

40:07

Travis.

40:09

So your blushes and smiles emotions

40:11

for her to sit down.

40:13

So you remember, yes, because

40:16

you were the r A in Banka Hall

40:19

and a couple of us got caught by you, and

40:21

you told us that you wouldn't turn us in

40:24

if we left in ten seconds.

40:26

And honey, you counted us

40:28

down too.

40:32

I mean, y'all was probably up there visiting

40:34

some knucker Head freshmen, so acts

40:38

we were, and I didn't

40:40

want anybody to end up in something that they might regret

40:42

later.

40:42

So, well,

40:45

I'm still single because you've

40:48

won my one shot at a college, sweetheart.

40:51

Come on, I doubt that. But

40:54

you look the same. I

40:56

mean you don't find it in

40:58

before.

41:01

Okay, So you know we all had a crush

41:04

on you back then?

41:07

Nah, no way.

41:10

Yes, because when we got back to the

41:12

dorm, everybody wanted to know what you

41:14

were wearing when you kicked.

41:15

Us out the door.

41:18

What are you doing now? What are you up to?

41:22

I still real estate in Everston, Illinois.

41:25

No way, I'm in a shy

41:28

too. I passed up a small church and

41:30

I do real estate. I'm a mortgage broker.

41:36

You're a pastor.

41:39

I know it's hard to believe, but you know it's

41:41

a very coming as you are a type of church, non denominational.

41:43

All we do is meditate.

41:46

Wind begins to whistle, humpted Denise

41:49

to move closer to Mark.

41:51

I'm sorry, it's a little cold now,

41:53

and.

41:55

Mark removes a small canteen from his

41:57

jacket pocket, takes his jacket

41:59

off and puts it around Denise.

42:03

Thank you? What

42:05

was in there?

42:07

Or just and frustrate you?

42:10

He takes a sip.

42:15

It's kind of keeping me warm. You are well.

42:21

May I have some of that warmth?

42:24

He hands on the canteen and she takes

42:26

a sip.

42:28

Mm hmmm.

42:34

I'm definitely warm now.

42:37

Right.

42:39

So Everston is really close to me.

42:41

We should definitely hang out.

42:44

Okay, you know what, I Am

42:46

going to come to your church because

42:49

I still can't believe.

42:50

You're a pastor.

42:53

Denise school's closer to Mark.

42:56

He turns towards her.

42:59

Yeah, very one one right now.

43:01

Mm hmm.

43:02

Well we're

43:05

keeping each other on.

43:08

Market, Denise, leaning to each other and

43:11

kiss see.

43:16

Mm hmmm.

43:17

All right, all right,

43:21

all right, I gotta copy it after him,

43:23

Okay, so

43:27

whatever.

43:28

You want to drop on.

43:30

Yes, So that was good.

43:33

That was good. First of all. That was that was really

43:35

good. And I can imagine

43:38

starting Lemitria

43:41

right, yes.

43:44

Lea Maria, Leah

43:47

Maria, Yes, sir.

43:48

Lea Metria, gotcha. So

43:51

I can imagine. I know, I can feel

43:54

your flirtatiousness. I can feel the

43:56

flirt on you. If you was

43:58

able to actually be there with him,

44:01

I see that it would have been

44:04

something different. For sure, you had been

44:06

able to put a little morning But I

44:08

like all of what you did for

44:10

sure. My only nugget

44:13

would be for you is where you're from

44:15

originally, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

44:19

I can hear a little Oklahoma in your in your

44:21

in your voice, I would say, and they say,

44:24

they say that to me all the time, like New

44:26

York, New York, New York, and they

44:28

can tell I got the New York, you know, but

44:30

I had to learn how to just suppress

44:33

a little bit of it, you know sometimes,

44:35

So I would say that that's My only nugget

44:37

for you is suppress the

44:40

Oklahoma a little bit and depending

44:42

on what you shoot, and sometimes they might want the

44:44

Oklahoma. But be able to just

44:46

neutralize accent a little bit as

44:50

something I'm still learning as well, so

44:53

that that's that's one thing and

44:57

everything else just it was dope to

44:59

me and uh from Mohammed,

45:03

I would say, just being

45:05

uh this knowing

45:08

the objective is I actually

45:11

I like this lady. I want this woman. I want

45:13

to connect with her, I

45:15

would say, just the patience in your game a

45:17

little bit, like you know you really

45:21

but it felt almost like you

45:23

were getting through it too fast, you know, to

45:26

convince her. Hey, listen, your eyes are like

45:29

beautiful, you know, and you're

45:32

taking those moments to like just draw,

45:35

you know, have her fall into

45:37

you. You know what I'm saying with your game

45:39

because it's game. You know, you to given

45:41

it this that you know, so you want her to

45:43

fall into it a little more. You need to

45:45

just kind of take your time with certain

45:48

punches of it, you know. But

45:50

for the most part, it was Yeah, it was good. It was good.

45:53

I appreciate that, Thank.

45:55

You, Jamal, And I just wanted to add

45:57

because it's you know the fact

46:00

that the pastor maybe it's me. I'm

46:02

a cassidy director. I take characters

46:04

literally, a cast of drinking gretefood

46:06

and vodka in.

46:07

The middle of the day. What's going on?

46:13

Everything about this pastor is

46:15

the word?

46:20

You know?

46:20

And then let me tell you Leah

46:22

Mitria met her on inside the Black

46:24

Box. She has been such a committed

46:26

students ever since then.

46:28

Mohammad lives in d C.

46:30

Another committed actor. But

46:33

I have to say that, you know sometimes.

46:37

And you can say it to Jamil, but.

46:39

Sometimes the writing is interesting

46:42

and you just have to because this is

46:44

a scene that I would have had a conversation

46:47

with the author, just the writer,

46:49

just to get some clarity on why I would be

46:51

attracted to a preacher who drinking

46:54

vodka and great food

46:56

in the middle of the day.

46:57

Start with but it's

47:00

a very it's a very come as you are type

47:02

Churchill that I passed it. All you do is

47:05

mainly meditate. I'm just saying

47:07

that kind. It's not that kind.

47:09

I just have question.

47:10

You know, first, ladies, the

47:13

answer is called. They weren't the ones call,

47:16

so they'll take whatever.

47:18

Wow, I want to

47:20

get taken whatever, because

47:22

you didn't.

47:23

You didn't start out to me as someone who

47:25

would take anything.

47:26

You didn't being on the phone.

47:28

You know what I mean.

47:29

Like actions speak volume of who

47:31

you are. It's not the words. I don't

47:33

care what you say.

47:34

Because my cousin is a vegetarian, but she eat

47:36

chicken wings because she has a taste, then you ain't

47:39

no vegetarian head, right,

47:42

So I'm just saying, so I just want

47:44

to eating the chicken.

47:46

That's what you say. I'm banking.

47:48

Every once in a while, I get a taste, getting

47:50

the taste of your vegetarian that tastes must be out

47:52

here.

47:53

About it anyway, I digress.

47:55

I just want everybody to.

47:56

Put your head together for Leomitrio,

47:59

Storics, Williams,

48:01

thank you all later for bringing these actors,

48:03

and once again, Jamel Howard, you

48:06

are a treasure. I am so

48:08

so happy to reconnect with you. We're

48:10

going to have you back on because

48:13

there is a part two in you. And I also

48:15

want actors to know all your credits.

48:17

Is there anything that you want to

48:19

tell us now that you're doing that's coming up

48:21

that we.

48:22

To support you.

48:23

Yes, So I've got like

48:25

I said, I got, I got problems is on BT

48:28

right now that I wrote then

48:31

You Have Been for Love that's

48:33

on BT as well, and I'm in that

48:36

and part two is coming. We just finished shooting

48:38

part two which I'm gonna produce on and one

48:40

of the main characters and

48:42

You Have For what It's Worth that

48:45

just came out. Yes, yep.

48:47

And I'm one of the main guys as

48:49

well. And now I'm shooting

48:52

The Family Business, which

48:54

I talked to you about. Shooting The Family Business,

48:56

which I am one of the

48:58

recurring character, is on now be on

49:01

for a few seasons of that. Yeah,

49:04

that's that's it, and many many other

49:06

things coming down the pipeline on the right

49:08

in side Sciphi is coming

49:10

real soon. I'm working on it. Yeah.

49:13

Oh man.

49:13

We just wish you continued success

49:15

and blessings you are so deserving

49:18

of at all. Ladies and gentlemen, once again,

49:20

please put your hands together for your mouth power.

49:24

You appreciate, appreciate,

49:28

appreciate you. Love you man.

49:30

When we come back on the Spirited Actor Podcast

49:32

with me Tracy Moore, I'm gonna give you guys

49:34

some love.

49:36

We need love.

49:38

Everybody needs love.

49:41

And now it's time for kudos, Corn

49:43

Kudos.

49:44

Corner is a place where we come

49:46

and celebrate and support spirited

49:49

actors and we

49:51

introduce them to you.

49:53

This week's Kudos.

49:54

Corner puts the spotlight on spirited

49:56

actors Sasha Morales.

49:59

I've known Sasha since she was fourteen

50:01

years old, and I'm so proud of the woman

50:03

and the actress she has grown to be. You've

50:06

seen Sasha co star in

50:09

PowerBook three, Raising Canaan

50:12

on Stars and in

50:14

a New York Minute on YouTube. She

50:16

has also starred in The Shorts Room

50:19

five twenty six and Stupid

50:22

Cupid, as well as the

50:24

feature of Port Authority. In

50:26

addition to our acting work, Sasha

50:29

is a licensed esthetician and

50:31

owner of Fear Skin Aesthetics.

50:35

Kudos Tasasha Morales,

50:39

and now it's time to give love. This

50:42

actually happened to me this morning.

50:44

Timing is perfect and peccable. So

50:48

some of my students know that I

50:51

was allegedly diagnosed

50:53

with arthritis.

50:55

Right.

50:55

I'm just very conscious of the words that I'm put

50:57

out there, so that's what I'm saying. But

51:00

bit arthritis very painful, made

51:02

some adjustments, continuing to make adjustments

51:05

in my life. This morning, I

51:07

woke up in search of my

51:09

tiger bomb, because my tiger

51:11

bomb gives me a sense

51:13

of relief, if not for a couple

51:15

hours, it's a great sense of relief.

51:18

Right.

51:18

So I'm looking in all the places

51:21

in the bathroom where I know the tiger

51:23

bomb should be in, and I'm searching,

51:26

and I'm so confused because I'm really

51:28

good at putting things back where they

51:30

belong. My mother was

51:33

a stickler on that, so growing

51:36

up that's something I took in my life.

51:39

So I sit down in my chair and I think

51:41

to myself, where could my tiger bomb

51:44

be. I always put it in the right place.

51:47

And as I sat there, I heard a voice

51:49

say, check your purse. I

51:51

checked my purse and there was

51:53

the tiger bomb. I'm here to tell you

51:55

I would have never checked my voice. Had I not

51:57

heard that voice, I never

52:00

checked my purse. You

52:02

have to learn not only to trust yourself,

52:05

but before a thought hits your brain, it

52:08

comes from somewhere. Trust

52:10

that somewhere, trust

52:12

that digest that

52:15

take in that. Because

52:17

I found my tigerbaumb this

52:19

morning in my purse.

52:22

What a blessing. Don't forget to look

52:24

out for us.

52:25

On our new show Inside the Black Box,

52:28

my co host will be Joe the Legend

52:30

Morton. It's going to be the

52:32

Spirited Actor Podcast on Steroids.

52:35

We'll be streaming on the Crackle network.

52:38

I'll keep you posted. Thank you for joining

52:40

us on the Spirited Actor Podcast

52:43

with me Tracy Moore. I look

52:45

forward to our next Spirited Podcast.

52:48

Thank you.