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Match ball. We get
1:24
extra games. For free. Oh
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no, we have to pay for them. What
1:30
happens in summer you get bored because there's no football.
1:33
So just push it back a month. I've
1:35
got a bit of enjoyment and pleasure to come. I've got to
1:37
be honest. I was really looking forward to it. To
1:39
what? Season ended and summer being a... Well,
1:43
it'll be your second favorite thing. Watching Leeds
1:45
United play football. I was, but we could
1:47
have the perfect end to the season and
1:50
hit the summer with a beautiful memory. It
1:53
wasn't to be today. We're going into these
1:55
playoffs with such momentum. Well, let me start you off
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on YouTube for 169. at
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this moment in time. So welcome, welcome, welcome. If you're
2:02
listening afterwards, this is the fun that you get to
2:04
miss out on. John Mitchell's comment is one I want
2:06
to lead off on the result never mattered, but the
2:09
performance did. And it was shocking again. Do you agree?
2:11
Discuss? Yes, I wasn't shocked. No,
2:13
I wasn't shocked. No, don't want to solve the
2:15
team. Anybody has the same team. It'll probably be,
2:17
they'll probably play about the same. And
2:19
then it was the same because
2:21
it was small bone. Just strolling
2:23
through the midfield, much as chair and,
2:25
um, that other QPR bloke did
2:28
the other day just
2:30
didn't work again. Um, I mean, did
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we even deserve one? Yes. Did
2:35
we? Good goal. It was all
2:37
right. They, they deserve the win. I
2:39
didn't know. Probably you would
2:41
have to say my strength for the first half.
2:43
The second half was weird. Yeah. They
2:45
went into a, they went to a put up
2:48
for about two minutes. The second half didn't they? And you
2:50
get the feeling everyone just went. Yeah. Yeah.
2:52
That was, it was known, wasn't it? I mean, it was
2:54
known anyway. I looked at the Ipswich stats
2:56
at halftime and Huddersfield actually was 0.01 and
2:58
they had had, I think like three touches
3:01
in their box. To be fair, actually, Ipswich
3:03
should be embarrassed if only beat them to
3:05
now. Well, they have. I knew, in fact,
3:07
I knew it was nothing going to happen
3:10
because I looked at the lineup and Huddersfield
3:12
had that, um, a
3:14
base fullback in who played against us. Yeah. And I
3:16
was like, yeah, they're not getting it. Did you pick
3:18
up on the, on what, uh, Brighton Wright
3:21
was saying about Warnock this week.
3:23
They let the, in the players
3:25
he inherited had spent preseason in
3:27
the pub playing golf course
3:29
and falling out with each other. And if
3:32
you'd realized all that before he, uh, he came
3:34
in, he wouldn't have bothered. So it's
3:37
just another way we've, we can blame Warnock
3:39
today for Huddersfield not going there and doing
3:41
anything. Yeah. Huddersfield finished the game with 0.14
3:43
XG. Yeah. I didn't come into,
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into this with any help. No, I didn't either. No
3:48
matter what we might've said. I came into it with
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a five pound bet on it, switching leads to win.
3:53
I actually, I actually thought there was a fair chance we would
3:56
win by us. I thought there was, I couldn't
3:58
see any world in which it switched. Didn't get a part of it. against
4:00
others film. Well
4:02
done. What to Ipswich? Yeah, I
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found it odd though that when they scored
4:07
Southampton fans started singing it and they were
4:09
right on the, like they were singing it
4:11
before I got a goal alert, but they
4:13
were singing 1-0 to the Tractor Boys. Is
4:15
it appropriate to sing about another
4:17
team's nickname? Ipswich doesn't fit, well they don't sing
4:19
it. The Ipswich town doesn't scan both tracks. Yeah,
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but I mean lots of songs don't. I mean
4:24
they sang the worst rendition of Informer by Snow
4:26
that I've ever heard. They can't even fit that
4:28
to the tune. They kind of go, I don't
4:31
know which player it's about, it might be Will
4:33
Small, Will Small, Bone, and they go, oh, duh,
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duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. So if they can't
4:37
sing that, then they don't need to worry too much
4:39
about, oh, we'd better get the Ipswich song right, we'd
4:41
better get their nickname proper. Yeah, I mean, you know,
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fans do dig out other fans don't they? Yeah, that's
4:45
fine. Don't you? Imagine us singing, oh, 1-0 to the
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Red Devils. You're not going to do it
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here. No, no. Well, you
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know, I think it was a slight misreading as
4:54
well because Leeds fans, I think were fully resigned to
4:56
this being, yeah, not happening. It wasn't a day that,
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well, I'm saying that I was telling them I before
5:00
the game and a few people were
5:02
insistent that it was going to happen. But you know, you've
5:05
got a dream, haven't you? I suppose. But no,
5:07
I never felt there was any real, but yeah,
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I mean, congratulations to Ipswich and there's part of
5:11
me, you know, trying to find any
5:14
sort of angle on this to make us all feel better. I
5:17
don't feel that bad about it because you know, we've still
5:19
got another bite of the cherry, haven't we? With the playoffs
5:21
and, you know, the potential of going
5:23
up through that. And if not, if you don't go up,
5:25
fair enough, because Premier League is fairly horrible. There's part of
5:27
me thinks that, yeah, enjoy this weekend because
5:29
this is as good as it's going to get. I mean,
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it won't be as good as the
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last two years for Ipswich because they've got like, they've got
5:35
close to 200 points, haven't they? I will keep
5:37
going. Across the past two. I think before I'm
5:39
sick, no, another 90 next year. I don't
5:42
know about another 90, but I think they'll be top 10. I'm a little
5:45
short, but there'll be an early flirtation with
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Europe momentum. Yeah.
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Just keep, they just keep on going and keep
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on trucking. And, and they've
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got a lot of, it'll be
5:57
like us when we went up momentum. And
6:00
just a lot of people with like the excitement of it
6:02
being the first season like when we had Cooper
6:05
and ailing these players who'd kind of fought their way into
6:07
the Premier League. I think then,
6:09
you know, Parker was highlighting like Sam Morsy
6:11
being twice he's 35 years old, which
6:14
I hadn't realized. But
6:16
players like that will have reasons to keep to
6:18
at least have one good season in the
6:21
Premier League. And then, yeah, just
6:23
momentum, the surprise factor, all that kind of stuff
6:25
that can Sam Morsy is 32 by the way.
6:27
We'll take it up with Daniel Parker, not me.
6:29
I'll just have the pop mob notification for the
6:31
official highlights of our game and Ipswich and others
6:33
field games. So this is me deleting the notifications.
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There we go. God. Yes.
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I think Ipswich, what they've done this year
6:40
is they've played without fear, whereas we
6:42
have played with much fear, particularly as it's got closer and
6:44
closer to the end. Maybe
6:47
the point at which the horses were spooked as I
6:49
described it this week, was potentially us going top when
6:51
we got to the top. We're like, Oh shit. Now
6:54
what we're supposed to do? It's hard being
6:56
the ones trying to run away with it. It's weird how
6:58
we've defensively fallen apart, though. I
7:00
can almost picture how
7:03
in an attacking sense you may be going
7:05
to a whole little bit like you get paralyzed
7:07
by the safety of the football and trying
7:10
not to take you in. Maybe we don't take enough risks and it's
7:12
not a first time pass. It's take a touch and try and find
7:14
a pass. And it's not trying to beat a man.
7:16
It's trying to just lay it back to
7:18
the fullback and then work it from there. But
7:20
defensively, we've completely gone to pieces. It was
7:22
like Jesse Marsh times. Well, you're not the
7:24
only one to say that. Let me just find the comment.
7:27
Marco's put this and I said it. Did we hire Marsh?
7:30
The rehab Marsha's. Just all to the far post. They seem
7:32
to constantly be like false. I'm some players. And there's that
7:34
to put it in acres of space in the middle as
7:36
well. Actually, it was the point I was going to lead
7:38
into from the footballing perspective
7:41
was the shape today was just it was
7:43
all over the place. It was bad, really bad.
7:45
We just couldn't handle their runners coming from midfield.
7:47
It seemed like midfield was just all at sea.
7:50
What shape are we in today? Bad shape. Yeah. I mean, I
7:52
don't know if it was that first goal or the second, whichever
7:54
one it was, I think it might've been one
7:56
of them. Yeah. One of them. One of them.
7:58
It was one of them. There were four
8:00
players, unmarked. That
8:02
was four of our players rather than their player just ghosted in
8:04
and just put it in. No, it was goal number one. Yeah,
8:07
first goal. Yeah. Just
8:09
so you can't do that. You can't expect to get
8:11
promoted. Oh yeah, there's goal both goals in the first
8:13
half, isn't there? I was trying to be clever and
8:15
I fucked up. Yeah. You didn't have to tell me
8:17
that. You could have just made me look stupid. No,
8:19
that's all right. But some of the shapers are mess,
8:21
wasn't it? It starts further forward though, doesn't it? Because
8:24
we press from the front and then once you're through
8:26
there, if things are out of
8:29
shape, then there's players are running
8:31
at the back four and that makes the life
8:33
difficult. So it's not necessarily that the
8:35
back four have suddenly stopped playing well.
8:37
It's that there's a lot more being
8:40
coming at them that used to stop further
8:42
forward, how far forward and where
8:44
that actually comes from. It's
8:47
difficult to say, but I would look
8:49
at shortly before it
8:51
was taken off, I was looking at
8:53
Georgina, Rutter just absolutely shagged out, not
8:56
moving. Staying miles off
8:58
the ball. Niantel's not chasing people
9:00
back. And I noticed as well in
9:02
the first half, Niantel
9:04
was trying to run
9:06
around somebody on the outside and
9:08
just got completely outpaced, which is
9:11
unusual given that he is a very quick
9:13
player. And my theory
9:15
for a lot of it is, and
9:17
I mentioned this after the QPR game,
9:20
is that very few of these players have ever in their
9:22
lives played more than 35 games. I
9:24
think from the QPR lineup,
9:27
there were three and one was Mollie. And
9:29
a 46 game season, four
9:32
players who have previously never played more
9:34
than 35, I think they've just
9:36
ended up shagged. Yeah, they've never run out of steam, aren't they?
9:38
The injuries just bit at the wrong time, just coming out
9:40
of that international break. And it was just enough to make us
9:42
not quite good enough. And momentum as well. For
9:45
as long as you could just keep it going, you don't think about
9:48
how tired you are, but there is something
9:50
strange that happens that you can keep going and keep
9:52
going. But when you stop to then pick it up
9:54
and start again, and then
9:56
proof gets injured in Bulgaria
9:58
and Azerbaijan and all the. kind of
10:00
the injuries now open. What
10:03
happens? The whales slabs, the disappointment
10:05
there. Injuries of the
10:07
important times to Dan James and Pat Bamford,
10:10
suddenly they're not. They're
10:12
both players with more experience. And yeah, I think
10:14
we just got players who've not
10:16
been in this situation before, not played this
10:18
many games in the season before, not had
10:21
to do any of this before. Ethan Ampedo,
10:23
I thought it was interesting how much
10:26
he lost his temper at
10:28
the end of the game. And you remember the
10:30
last three seasons, he's been relegated with three different
10:33
clubs. And now he's still only 23. He's the
10:35
captain of a team that's trying to win promotion
10:37
to the Premier League. They're all being asked to
10:39
do a very, a completely different thing. The start
10:41
of last season, Wilf Jantner was playing in Switzerland.
10:45
If there are any with 18, if they're all
10:47
knackered, is that slightly Farkas fault
10:49
though? Because yeah, we've not seen much rotation.
10:51
How do you rotate to? Well, Jay Anthony,
10:53
for example, I think when we went to
10:56
Stoke and that didn't work, he
10:58
lost faith in the idea of making changes
11:00
rotating through midweek. And we saw the same
11:03
more or less injuries barring injuries,
11:05
accepted. Sorry. The same teams were put out time after time
11:08
after time. Aren't they? So I think maybe they have just
11:10
burned out. And it's quite telling that in the final table,
11:12
which I can put on screen as size that people can
11:15
actually see, which is nice prove it. There you go. Um,
11:18
we have fallen short of two points per game
11:20
in the end, which was his stated target at
11:22
the start of the season. He also had the
11:24
state target of what was it? Uh,
11:26
26 wins, which we've exceeded and 75
11:28
goals, which we've exceeded. According to that table,
11:30
if that's the full table with six off
11:32
bottom, that's not very good, is it? No,
11:34
that's not the full table. It's just the
11:36
top third middle throw in Poland league one
11:39
next year. You've done
11:41
very well with that table down. I came in here and I
11:43
got it immediately. I thought so people can see it. Well done.
11:45
Theographics. Yeah. So if you're listening on the audio version, what that
11:47
shows is that leads finished third. I don't know if you're aware.
11:49
It's got the farm on that too, which actually shows a big,
11:52
huge block of shitty red for all
11:54
the playoffs. Everyone's terrible. I
11:56
mean, Norwich lost to Birmingham today and Birmingham
11:59
got relegated. at the end of it. So, and
12:01
you know why? Robert's unused substitute.
12:03
I was going to highlight today
12:05
one of the things, because
12:07
I think you, it immediately went back to
12:10
Farka then, whereas I was trying to pull
12:12
the players and I was listening to the
12:14
podcast with Phil Hay from the end of the week, which
12:16
was like 45 minutes about Farka.
12:19
And the players are important as
12:21
well. And I was going to highlight the
12:23
way that a lot
12:25
of the gloomness, and you could hear it today in
12:27
the crowd, that the way we always rotate back to
12:30
along the back four, when things were
12:32
a bit difficult going forward, or
12:34
not even difficult going forward. A
12:37
lot of this is player influenced as
12:39
well. Byram, a number of times byram watches
12:41
Wilf and Yanno make a run down the
12:44
right wing and then just passes it to
12:46
Roldan is incredible. And then as soon as
12:48
kind of Roberts is on the pitch, he's trying to play one
12:50
two's with Jaden Anteceit and running into the box. And
12:52
different players do different things. And it's, if
12:55
we had Roberts available, perhaps we'd
12:58
have had more dynamism from that side.
13:00
And then you watch, there was one
13:02
particular move where shortly before
13:04
we went off byram ignored a
13:06
Yanno run, gives it to Roldan,
13:08
it goes across Furpo gets the ball
13:10
and then Furpo likes taking a chance
13:12
with Somerville. So he's a bit more
13:14
like trying to get a ball
13:16
in so more happens on that side. So
13:19
not everything is down to Farka
13:21
telling them exactly what to do in
13:23
every situation. Because if you put a
13:26
different player in the same position, that
13:28
player does different things. Maybe
13:30
we need some different players in some different positions.
13:32
The goals, the goals from midfield thing is also,
13:34
you know, one of the big complaints, but how
13:36
many goals are meant to check? How many goals
13:38
was Gollin Kamara ever scored in his entire career?
13:41
I think none. Not many. Yeah, it's not ever.
13:43
So what's the point? Gollin Kamara going like, shoot,
13:45
shoot. He's fucking rubbish at scoring goals. So maybe
13:47
it's the most sensible thing is you say, right,
13:50
at the moment, our team has got Gollin Kamara
13:52
in midfield, who can't score because he's rubbish at
13:54
it. He can't shoot. And then it's got these
13:56
four players in front of him from four
13:59
players out of six. They were all really good
14:01
at scoring goals. So what's the best thing to do? Should Gun
14:03
Kamara be shooting from 35 yards and
14:05
fucking Bradley Johnson in the South stand every
14:07
time? Or maybe he tries to
14:09
get it further forward and then we give
14:12
it one of the attackers who can score. If
14:15
perhaps next season we get a goal
14:17
scoring midfielder, I don't think Daniel Farka
14:19
will be like, oh, we've signed the
14:21
ghost of Gary McAllister. Do not shoot.
14:24
Things change depending on the players. The
14:26
shooting thing though, it's just a coping mechanism. It
14:30
was just gallows humor. And it came about when Furpo had
14:32
a chance to shoot and didn't. And it felt like it
14:35
had reached a point in the game where simply no
14:37
one was ever willing to
14:41
shoot and it was frustration. It's end of
14:43
season. I think my point is then that
14:45
I got to like fucking Farka, but I'm
14:47
like, well, some of all should shoot. He's
14:50
the championship player of the year.
14:53
Why doesn't he shoot? And I think, and is
14:55
it perhaps Daniel Farka has told him never
14:57
shoot in the penalty area. I would find
14:59
that unlikely. Maybe it's just that
15:01
maybe Somerville experience or
15:03
a different player is lashing the ball
15:06
in from those positions. The griped illustration
15:08
is a yes. I think the gripe
15:10
there, Moscow is not necessarily Farka
15:14
directly because Chris sensitive or something will choose is not
15:16
to shoot. It's that we meet banks of defenders and
15:18
it feels like we don't have a different way to deal with that.
15:20
I think, I think that's what the underlying kind of complaint is. Do
15:22
you agree? I don't know.
15:25
Partly. I think partly because of the
15:27
way we build attacks slowly, we inevitably create a situation
15:29
where by the time someone would ordinarily be
15:31
positionally in a good position to shoot, they
15:34
get it there with five players between them and the
15:36
goal rather than it being a quick, quick move that
15:38
gets you there where they've just got to knock it
15:40
around the edge of one defender and shoot. You get
15:42
into those positions, but there's a big wall of people
15:44
in front here because it's taken 30 seconds
15:47
to get there by going across the box two
15:49
or three times. And then it's just very, very
15:51
congested when it gets there. And it is, I
15:53
mean, the shooting at the end of the game,
15:55
it's just frustration. Yeah. It's last,
15:57
it's last day of the season. There's always a bit of.
16:00
But it's not like it's just come
16:02
up. It's been there the whole time. But then you look at that and
16:04
it's like, well, we attack slowly and
16:06
we don't do enough in the penalty area
16:09
and the top scorers in the championship this
16:11
year. It's, it's 92 last rate nine Southampton
16:13
87 and those 81. There's only three teams that
16:15
have scored more goals than those all season. Despite
16:17
the fact that, um, you
16:20
know, we never shoot. We're terrible in the box.
16:22
We can't attack. We're too slow going forward. All
16:24
the complaints, but you say that, but we finished third. Yeah,
16:27
which is good. It doesn't feel like it
16:29
does it though. It does. If you, if you take
16:32
a step back and think, well, there's 24
16:34
teams in division and you're the
16:36
third best of them, that's good. I mean,
16:39
it's better than finishing. I don't
16:41
know. 22nd, like Birmingham is better than finishing fourth,
16:43
but you can't, you can't strip the season of
16:45
context. Can you? And the fact that it was
16:47
there within our graph and we've let that go.
16:49
That's where the frustration, the disappointment comes. If you
16:51
take the middle of the game out of it
16:53
as well, it comes from looking at these final
16:55
games as a block where we've failed
16:57
to score against Blackburn against Sunderland. Yeah. I mean,
16:59
objectively, it's been a good season because we've got
17:02
90 points. We finished it. It would have been
17:04
enough to see as up in most of the
17:06
years context of this season. When
17:08
you zoom in on it, it's not been
17:10
enough. And then that's why people are frustrated
17:12
enough to get us into the automatic promotion
17:14
places, but to get into the automatic promotion
17:16
places would have required Lester or Ipswich to
17:18
collapse in an unbelievable way. Instead, they just
17:20
collapsed in a believable way and didn't let
17:22
us in. We were only in the top
17:24
two, four or five
17:27
weeks out of the season. It would
17:29
have been, if we'd have got automatically
17:31
promoted from how far ahead it's which
17:33
and Lester were, it would have been an
17:35
almighty mugging, a gate crashing. And we would
17:37
almost like, you could almost have said that we
17:39
don't, we never deserved to get into that.
17:42
But obviously you finished what you deserved to. But we
17:44
would have had to do some real,
17:47
yeah, it would have needed,
17:50
it would have been incredible. And
17:52
it wasn't incredible. Instead, it was just credible. And
17:54
I think third, that's why I go with anger
17:58
at the end of a season where we've had a lot of fun.
18:00
I don't think it's anger. I think there's just a bit of frustration
18:03
there. And you saw like the crowd
18:05
just sort of dissipated quite
18:08
early, you know, towards the end. There was no kind of staying around
18:10
for the, for the lack of appreciation or anything like that. A good
18:12
number of people, but they're doing that today. A good number of people.
18:14
It was never announced. I stayed till
18:16
the, till the bitter end. Yeah. I mean what you saw at
18:18
the end was actually, it was probably, I
18:20
don't know about a quarter full, something like that. I would
18:22
say a guess. And everybody
18:24
who, who stayed applauded
18:26
him off. And there was each sort of passing
18:29
chunk of the stadium. So it started at the cop
18:31
end. There was just a little roar of, as in
18:34
a lead's raw, as in we're still here for, you
18:36
know, we've still got your backs. But I think it's
18:38
fine to be frustrated and to express frustration at the
18:40
way that the season's peered out. I think
18:42
we all understand the reasons why it's peered out. Like say
18:44
young, young team, it's a bloody long season. But
18:47
then again, you look at how it's, which you've handled it and
18:49
they've just, just handled it better. And sometimes you got to say,
18:51
well, fair enough. Yeah. I mean, it's, you've gone
18:53
upon 96 points. I mean, yeah,
18:55
the hell of a target. We didn't,
18:57
if we'd have had the same season, we had under
18:59
bail. So we wouldn't have gone up based
19:02
upon this. And that was the best
19:04
season ever. We loved it. And we got 93
19:06
points, which would have happened. We would have matched
19:08
that today if we won, but it would have
19:10
been academic. So I think somewhere, someone, someone like
19:13
only would have the Wilkinson promotion
19:15
team. They wouldn't have bottled this 85 points.
19:19
Yeah. And two weeks before the end, we were losing
19:21
to Barnsley at home and then had to go to
19:23
the last day needing a winter, get it
19:25
up. It's never as easy. I mean, I
19:27
think that's the thing about finishing
19:30
third, finishing the third in any division,
19:32
especially when it's 2014. It's really fucking
19:34
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19:37
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19:39
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21:09
Proud. And then the old sadness kicks in. We're an emotional
21:11
club. Completely,
21:13
yeah. I said that. I
21:15
texted somebody right at the start of the game. It was just
21:17
that sort of we all love leading. Whatever song went up just
21:19
before kickoff of the ground filled up. I thought, yeah,
21:21
the crowd's up for it today. We'll get behind them and they'll
21:23
try and push them on. Sorry. Kind of Peter out.
21:25
Didn't you? They're just being lit
21:28
out of the balloon again. It got
21:30
quite exciting when we equalized. Yeah. There
21:32
was a little rumble, wasn't there? Yeah.
21:34
Not quite. So once it switched were
21:36
ahead, it was pretty much, you know,
21:39
we knew how it was going to end. And then
21:41
it just became, it's quite a catchy match on the
21:43
pitch as well, which, you know, so that referee is
21:45
a fucking prick. And then the referee
21:47
was really half of the Southampton players are pricks as well.
21:51
It didn't matter at all. No, but
21:53
fucking hell. What was she doing? It was
21:55
just absolutely all over the place. I need to
21:57
see a replay of what the hell was going
21:59
on. on in the penalty area at the end.
22:01
Because I don't know. I think it was either
22:03
there five
22:07
or 35 managed to wipe out two players
22:09
at once. And I was looking at that
22:11
and then we went up and
22:13
then there was Southampton started
22:15
to break and then somebody there was a foul
22:17
there, but it's one of our players came off
22:19
worse. So there was a moment where there were
22:21
four of our players just lying face down on
22:23
the grass. And then everybody
22:26
seemed to be angry with them to do. Yeah.
22:30
And I've got yellow card as well. But I think
22:32
telling the ref, he was a shit. And
22:34
I said, see, yeah, we're not
22:36
leaving. Yeah. Cause it
22:39
was our corner. Wasn't it? And I think for a purpose, I
22:41
may have said like ref that's very obviously corner and the ref
22:43
went, no, it isn't. I mean, I was, I was a lot
22:45
further away
22:48
than the ref and I could see it was definitely
22:50
a corner. I mean, as well, just to even it
22:52
up a bit to say wasn't a particularly
22:55
a lead taking bastard. There was a bit where
22:57
I'm Purdue did one of those taking a yellow
22:59
fouls and the ref didn't even give a free
23:01
kick for it. They were breaking and he just
23:03
absolutely clobbered the bloke. He was running away and
23:05
he just sort of went, ah, fine. Whatever it
23:07
to be weirdly hell bent on letting
23:10
everything go until it got
23:12
techy. And then two people would get into a playground
23:14
argument and then he booked both of them and it
23:16
happened a couple of times. Didn't it? And the
23:18
other night it was like, you know, all bets are
23:21
off. It was one with roots there for a throw
23:23
in where I think it was five was, um,
23:26
just, um, all over
23:28
him and like grabbing him. And
23:30
then the linesman was like, that's
23:32
a, yes, this should be a foul. And Russell
23:34
looked at lines. We thought, Oh, thank you. I'm
23:36
glad you've seen that. And then the referee came
23:38
over and booked both of them. I really kept
23:40
going to the lines. Tell him, tell him I
23:42
did nothing. And then that's when the same player,
23:44
then, um, it looked like he fouled with, or
23:46
as he went into the box and we should
23:48
have had a penalty, but we've got nothing for
23:50
that. So it was a penalty. Apparently
23:52
I've not seen a replay by, um, yeah. And
23:54
he came, sorry, at halftime and said it was
23:56
a penalty. And it came from, yeah,
23:58
that guy. think so though on sky. That
24:02
fucking credit. So it was confirmed. Yeah.
24:04
Richard's saying that
24:09
somewhere in among that melod on the first one towards
24:12
the end, a pyro nailed one of their players in
24:14
retaliation, which is petty.
24:16
But there was a point at which I
24:18
think somebody around me shouted that we should
24:20
start kicking them ahead of the playoffs. Just
24:24
get really, really petty and violent. Charlie cruder
24:26
breaks one leg or something. And
24:29
someone who's not going to play anyway, destruction
24:32
job. It's not going to be play. Right. We're
24:34
going to bring, we're going to bring Chris class
24:37
it on to take someone's head off. I
24:40
don't even know if he was on the bench today. I've
24:42
completely forgotten to even look at the bench, you know, head
24:44
of it. And then I saw Robert's coming on and have
24:46
like, Oh, is he fit again? Is he? Okay. Good. Like
24:49
Chris said, he might be all right for half an hour. I mean,
24:51
that's the one, the one hope for the playoffs is
24:53
I think everybody just needs a
24:55
break and to relax. Like
24:58
get the disappointment of the way
25:00
the season ascended out of the
25:02
system. And I was just, I don't know, I'm kind
25:04
of trying to defend a few things.
25:06
I think I just want to, I want a more interesting
25:09
conversation than just like everything's Farkas fault, which is what
25:11
it seems like. It's been over a few weeks. I
25:13
think that's been reductive though, isn't it? Because he has
25:15
to take some of the blame because I, cause you
25:17
wrote about it in your match report, like when he
25:20
hit the two points per game
25:22
target, and then how do you
25:24
follow it when we've kind of done everything that we said we
25:26
would up to that point. And then we needed to step up
25:28
and do something else. Which match report you wrote them, but it's
25:30
like, has he got the chops now to sort of kick
25:33
on and take it to another level after we've met the
25:35
target that you set? If that was the QPR one that
25:37
you were talking because that came up on the
25:40
Phil podcast, that was more about how he's got
25:42
nowhere to take these players because they're children, which
25:45
is what I was bringing it back to a soft play
25:47
area. Maybe that's it. They do just need to, because the
25:49
rooter looked like, you know, before he
25:51
subbed off, he looked like somebody who has
25:53
just had an earlier operation and has never
25:55
been through a 46 game championship season or
25:57
anything close to it in his life.
26:00
Summerville player, Championship Player
26:02
of the Year and all the
26:05
plotters. This is really seriously his
26:07
first season as a first choice
26:09
footballer playing every game. And he's
26:11
done brilliantly, but at some points
26:14
that you just have to take a step back
26:16
and go like, can they actually do this?
26:18
And I thought it was interesting in Farkas
26:21
press conference before the game when he was
26:23
saying, that internally
26:25
in September, he was saying there's no
26:27
chance that this team gets automatic promotion.
26:30
Because it ended up being the
26:33
summer and the process of getting rid of
26:35
Snaestera and all the stuff like that was
26:37
worse than he'd expected. And he said, he
26:40
didn't say this publicly, he was saying it
26:42
internally, which they don't think this team's got
26:44
a chance of getting promoted automatically. So to
26:47
get it is, and if you look through it, it's
26:49
almost, it's not far away from being an under 21s
26:51
team. I feel like the
26:53
squad as a whole has got a lot of talent in it,
26:55
but it's also in a lot of ways
26:57
quite horribly imbalanced in terms of
27:00
the experience in it. The
27:02
lack of goals from his field, as you say, grew of, not
27:05
as it stands, grew of, likewise, looks like he will never
27:07
score a goal. It's one or two in his career. Yeah.
27:09
So having set up in that way with, I know Grey
27:11
has scored at some under 21s level, but he's been a
27:13
right back for most of the season, because we've not had
27:15
a right back. Or if we have had a right back,
27:18
he's been playing left back because we've not had a left
27:20
back. So it's, there's a lot of high
27:22
value players in it and players who I think will go on
27:24
to have good, probably Premier League
27:27
careers. But is it
27:29
better to not have Somerville in this team and
27:31
have like three good other players, like
27:33
to have a Pat Banford replacement, who's experienced
27:35
at this level, to have a central midfielder who
27:37
can score 10 goals, to have another center back
27:40
so you can put him to do a
27:42
midfield sometimes. I feel
27:44
like the, it feels in some ways like
27:47
we're missing opportunity because next year we
27:49
probably will be going at this without
27:51
Somerville, without Nonto. And probably we'll
27:53
replace them with players who are not as talented and
27:55
without such a high ceiling. But we still
27:58
could maybe. I
28:02
always used to be against
28:04
the whole thing of letting
28:06
your best players go under
28:08
any circumstances because I've got good players who need to
28:10
keep them. But those were in the days when we'd
28:12
let Snograss go and Luke Varney would turn up. Now
28:16
I feel like we've got enough there that if some
28:18
of the star names do
28:21
go, we'll keep enough of the others and be able
28:23
to actually build the team a little bit more like
28:27
what Farka wants. So I was looking at, I
28:29
was interested in the goals from midfield things, so I was
28:31
looking at what Norwich did under him. The
28:34
one in the league twice, which is worth
28:36
remembering, he does know what he's doing in this. But
28:38
the thing that struck me, they didn't have loads more goals out
28:40
on midfield. They had some which
28:42
more than us. But the big
28:45
difference was that the midfielders were like 28 and
28:47
30 or 26 and 27, whereas hours
28:51
generally, Kamara is 28. But
28:55
Archie Grey is not. He agreed with his very
28:57
new, this league is only 22, 23. Archie
29:01
Grey is 18. I think as well, I
29:04
was looking at it today and we were
29:06
looking at why we're getting overrunning midfield.
29:08
There's a lot of credit
29:10
gone to when Ampedu went to central defence
29:13
and formed that partnership with Broden.
29:15
But would it have been, I mean, we'll never
29:17
know, but would it have been much worse if Stroud could
29:19
have been fit all season and we'd stuck with Ampedu in
29:21
midfield? And that just kept getting better and better. Maybe that
29:23
would have improved on its own
29:26
as a system and as partnership because
29:28
Ampedu in the first half of the season, you'd have
29:30
said, as best midfielder in the championship, this guy would
29:32
be centre of Armid Field for years. Then he goes
29:34
into defence and say, well, actually, no, it's the best
29:37
defender we've ever had. The
29:39
Stroud, there was nothing really wrong with the Stroud and Broden
29:42
partnership and Stroud was having his best season for us.
29:45
So that gets, that's a bit of a miss
29:48
as well. So yeah, I think that's why
29:50
I'm quite, still quite blase about whether we go
29:52
up or not this season because I'm saying with you, I
29:54
think next year we might actually just have a
29:57
better all round team and we'll get
29:59
fewer points. and win the league at cancer.
30:02
Parker's comments have started to come in
30:05
where he has said, I wouldn't
30:08
rate the performance with our normal standards. We chose a
30:10
risky approach because there was no other option, but to win.
30:12
We pressed man on man. We opened the center against
30:14
one of the best attacking sides. There was no option, but
30:16
to go for a wild style of football, but
30:18
more or less, the whole game, the opponent was in the lead.
30:21
We gave the goals away cheaply. I have to say it was
30:23
a special situation to draw or be rock solid. There was no
30:25
option. We had to take risks. He's congratulated Lester and Ipswich and
30:27
we finished third on 90. That's it. It was like
30:29
the same game as I just watched. It
30:31
didn't feel like a wild style. It didn't
30:33
feel like a freewheeling all out attack. It
30:35
felt like quite stagnant. We were,
30:37
it was a buggy, we were, we were pressing
30:40
them a lot more. What we got a lot
30:42
of was winning the ball quite high and making
30:44
chances. We were better at pressing,
30:46
which I think was part of cause Southampton love
30:48
to just have the ball. They were much more,
30:50
um, as much for
30:52
noticeable today. And also earlier in the season, they
30:54
loved the ball at the back and they play
30:57
in the penalty area. And we did quite well.
30:59
Joe Pirro taking the balls off their goalkeepers told
31:01
us twice and, uh, and winning
31:03
all the balls up there and creating chances and
31:05
creating turnovers was
31:08
pretty exciting. I think that's what he means by the
31:10
risk. We were still the same as when, when we're
31:12
in possession, I think part
31:14
of it, uh, I was watching
31:16
46 games. I might have finally figured it out. It's
31:18
like if Rodan's got the ball, we've got
31:21
a chance to turn over, but if, um, um,
31:23
Purdue's not in position, we wait, we kind of wait for
31:25
players to come back and then attacking our, um,
31:28
our shape. That was still the same,
31:30
but what was a bit different was, uh, Peru,
31:33
um, fucking moved
31:36
under big improvement from QPR. And we were doing a bit more
31:38
of that. Like I'm saying, he's a bit tired. This week wasn't
31:41
the easiest to lift the players, but the tank will be full
31:43
and we go again to win the best possible prize promotion to
31:45
the premier league. And did he mention
31:47
beating Norwich? Um, he had, I think he has
31:49
mentioned it. Um, I'll have a look, I'll dive
31:51
through the comments, but, um, in terms of, yeah, in terms
31:54
of the playoffs, um, I have the playoff schedule here. Look
31:56
at that. Um, it's
31:58
Sunday week. away. That's
32:00
a nice early start, isn't it? To get
32:02
down to East Anglia. And no
32:04
doubt we'll, funnily enough, we'll have, we'll have it switches
32:06
fans cheering us on, which is funny old
32:08
game and so on. And then the return leg Thursday,
32:11
the 16th of May, eight o'clock
32:13
kickoff UK time back at Ellen road.
32:15
There's some narrative there, isn't there a
32:17
possible Farka and Corberon routes to
32:20
promotion or I mean, would you fancy playing
32:23
Southampton? I wouldn't,
32:25
not really. I don't really fancy playing West Brom
32:27
either. And Norwich, could
32:30
we request a buy for
32:32
Norwich? Yeah. To the premier
32:35
league. Yeah. Okay. Now I've said,
32:37
I've said the opposite. I would, I would
32:39
politely declined in the playoffs at all. You're
32:41
going to put our faces back on screen,
32:43
Dan? I think people know the
32:45
rest. I think people know about the schedule.
32:47
No. I'm going to put
32:49
the table back on. No, it's fine.
32:51
It's fine. Isn't it? Yeah. I
32:53
don't know. The playoffs, I'm
32:56
aware there'll be people who've got better data than
32:58
this, but based upon the lead United in the
33:00
playoffs model, we're going
33:02
into the momentum. But does that even
33:04
matter? Because we went into
33:06
the press. I mean, I know we've never, I know
33:08
we've always never won them properly, but you
33:10
could make arguments for them being like
33:12
their own little self-contained separate
33:15
thing. Can't you in safaris? We went into them
33:17
under Blackwell, not playing very well. Then we beat
33:19
Preston tournament football. Yeah. Likewise. We
33:21
lost the home leg to Carl went
33:23
up there and won Derby. We finished
33:25
that season in bits. And
33:27
then for a game and a half, we were by
33:29
far the better team, right? It's, it's an
33:32
end. The madness happened. Starting
33:34
against Norwich, who are David
33:37
Preston and then grew
33:39
at home to Bristol, drew at home to
33:41
Swansea, lost away to Birmingham. Who
33:44
got relegated? There's well, that form is on screen now
33:46
that you've got draw, win, draw,
33:48
draw loss. And before being Preston
33:51
away, they drew to to which Sheffield
33:53
Wednesday away. But they did the Ipswich
33:55
before that at which point we were
33:57
all their bezies. But
34:00
they're not in the hottest form
34:03
either. So
34:06
maybe that'll even itself out. What did
34:08
West Brom do today? They don't
34:10
pressed on about three, no, I think. Yeah. Good
34:13
old three. Now, is there a Moet goal? And
34:15
the cow Bartley goal. How did I guess? Did you say what?
34:18
Did you say what rather him did? Steve
34:20
Evans Renaissance is back in it. Was it
34:22
five to the beat? Yeah.
34:25
It's very rare. It affects the West Brom and
34:27
Norwich games. There was a cow Bartley goal. Yeah.
34:30
Did you state that? No. Yeah.
34:33
Across the two games against the pair of them, West
34:35
Brom have basically looked quite crap, but
34:37
beaten as in drawn. Whereas Norwich, I think, have looked pretty good
34:39
in both games and we won both. Mad
34:41
in it. So see what happens.
34:44
Yeah. There is a bit more from
34:46
Daniel Farka says the reason he some
34:48
disaster. So this opening bit is a
34:51
question. The reason why we are
34:53
not in the top two, not
34:55
the last four weeks of the season, the first
34:58
two months, there's the start to put big pressure
35:00
on. I wouldn't say the players wasted
35:02
it by not investing enough. It sounds
35:04
like he's happy with what they've done since
35:06
then. Which
35:09
I was for the most part. Yeah. You've
35:11
got to be as well. I mean, we were, I
35:13
keep mentioning it, not mentioning it, but hearing it where
35:15
we talk about the unbeaten run in 2024 and
35:18
then it's like, well, they had to end at
35:20
some point. But then also it's like, why did
35:22
it fucking end? Cause it meant we didn't go up. End
35:26
later. If
35:29
it only ended with one game, one defeat,
35:31
and then we'd come back, then fine. But
35:33
I think it is. I was
35:35
saying before to get into the top two from
35:37
where we were at the end of September. And
35:40
you can already seen people debating like
35:42
how bad September was, but like the
35:44
lineup of some of those games
35:48
were a bit silly when we were Yampa Vader
35:50
was so close to the starting
35:52
games. Just put us
35:54
a long way back and to get
35:57
promoted from there would have
35:59
been extraordinary. So I can't really resent
36:01
us not having done the
36:03
extraordinary thing. It would have been
36:05
we would have been gatecrashes to window gatecrashes. We've
36:07
gone up autos and
36:10
just looking forward to us leading from
36:12
the front next season. What
36:14
time did my dad leave? He's been asked in
36:16
the comments. Famously, he likes to depart early. I
36:18
think there was a point he said. He said to me,
36:20
actually, it was just after the second half starting. When
36:23
he switched go to up, he said, I think I'm going to go.
36:25
And then I was like, got the alert through my watch. I was
36:27
like, are you off then? And he
36:29
didn't. He stayed until 72 minutes, watching it downstairs.
36:31
But then as he went off, he was grumbling
36:33
about, I'm not staying around to applaud blah, blah,
36:36
blah, blah, yeah, grumble, grumble, that kind of thing.
36:38
But so I discovered on the way out of
36:40
the out of the ground, shocking
36:42
thing. There's one of these stand gangways. So
36:44
there's two big entrance ways in the East
36:46
to get to the East lower. On
36:49
one of the walls there is a height chart of
36:51
all the players. It's like, are you the same height
36:53
as Santa, Santa, Santa? Crescencios Somerville is marked
36:55
on that chart as 175 centimeters tall, which I believe
36:58
is 5'9". Yeah, which
37:01
I think is 5'9". Isn't it? Well, I know he's
37:03
not, but I think that is. I think I'm 181. So
37:07
he's claiming he's only that much smaller than me. He's
37:09
ditty. Yeah, I'd say he's pulling about
37:11
to my knees. Yeah. How many centimeters does he
37:13
claim? 175, 175 centimeters. Yeah,
37:16
that's yeah, he's not that big.
37:19
Is he? I don't know. Maybe I've got it down this.
37:21
I mean, I've obviously worked out right. Yeah, I've
37:24
got it down this 570 foot. Yes,
37:26
that is about that. Yes. Yeah, that's about right. That
37:28
sounds about right. Five. Yeah. Five foot
37:31
seven. I think he's what you're looking for. Probably
37:33
five foot eight point eight nine eight is the
37:35
technical answer. So rounded up to five foot
37:38
nine, which he isn't. I
37:40
saw on the way in another.
37:42
I thought it was going to be a good omen. The cop
37:44
cap, alive and well and striding around
37:46
outside the West. And so I was quite relieved
37:49
that he is okay. Maybe
37:52
we should have brought him on to snap
37:54
a few of their players. I got an
37:56
update. I spoke to a contact. This week
37:58
who knows things. We handed some documents at
38:01
a car park. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Yeah. There
38:03
were lots of people gathered around some cars with some headlights pointing towards the
38:05
other car. They were peering in through the windows. I don't know what was
38:07
going on there, but some sort of different activity.
38:09
The cop cat was involved in this thing. No. Ellie
38:12
the Elephant lives in Binndex, East
38:14
End. Yeah, I think I've seen the pictures
38:16
of that. Yeah, there was a picture. I mean, a sad retirement,
38:19
isn't it? Somebody took a photo a
38:21
long time ago of, well, there were two photos
38:23
of relevance. There's one
38:25
of just Ellie the Elephant's head on top of like
38:27
a pile of old programs in the catacombs.
38:29
And then, yeah, I've seen Lucas
38:33
the cop cat basically in various
38:36
component pieces stacked
38:38
up in somebody's garage next to a wheelie bin
38:41
a long time ago. They
38:43
put Lucas back together again, and
38:45
he was striding around today as
38:48
tall and threatening as he's ever been.
38:51
That's Chris Encio Somerville. Well,
38:53
I think we've gone thoroughly off-piste enough now
38:56
as a coping strategy. So it's a weird day, though,
38:58
isn't it? Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? When you
39:00
saw the pictures right back at the start, you thought, oh,
39:02
that's going to be spicy on the final day. And then
39:05
I kind of then wavered between could
39:07
be a dead rubber in a good way or
39:09
could be a dead rubber in a bad way as the sort
39:11
of season Ebb done flowed. And it turned out to be a
39:13
dead rubber in a bad way. Better than finishing 15. Oh,
39:16
absolutely. Well, it usually was a
39:19
sunnier day. Yeah, it's a bit cold
39:21
today. It was it's dead, dead sunny and it
39:23
switches well. So, you know, if you saw the
39:25
respective TV pitches earlier, I thought, yeah, that's a
39:27
promotion day. This isn't they deserve it.
39:29
Anything because of the weather. Government assigned weather, isn't
39:31
it? Well, yeah. So what can
39:34
you expect? Oh, well, it's
39:36
because we've been criticizing this year. Probably
39:38
spoken to some people who switched off something.
39:42
Let's wrap it up. Go home. Recharge
39:45
the batteries. Eat well, drink well, sleep well. Recover
39:47
our honor on the fact of the play off
39:49
that all the players are knackered. It
39:51
is now a decent period of rest, isn't it,
39:53
in this part of the season, it goes to a more
39:55
standard, you know, well, get
39:57
a big rest before the final, don't you? Because there's
39:59
been enormous. gap between the two, which
40:01
seems over the top, I would say.
40:03
Hopefully the pressure will change as well.
40:05
Because the pressure is lifted, doesn't it now, I suppose, in
40:07
a sense, but there's a different kind of pressure, is that right? Today
40:10
should have lifted the pressure, I hope, because
40:13
even though we're saying it was a dead
40:15
rubber before, you're in that awkward thing we had to
40:17
say at the place. And Fark was saying it's press conference.
40:19
No, we still believe we can do it. And
40:22
so they're still going out there trying to thinking
40:25
that we can win automatic promotion that
40:27
somehow that's what they had to do. And
40:30
yeah, just a reset. And
40:32
then, yeah, it gets knocked out by Norwich.
40:35
And one final thing, might as well plug the merch
40:37
while we're here. Is that t-shirt in stock, the one
40:39
you've got on there? We all love leads. Uh, I
40:41
think so. It's on our website, squareball.net, as is loads
40:43
of other stuff. What we're going to do with
40:45
all that promotion stuff anyway, should we just keep it for another couple of weeks? We
40:48
haven't got any, by the way. We deliberately did not jinx this
40:50
or tempt fate by thinking, well, because we did, didn't we, under
40:52
the BL term, we're like, we need stuff ready to go. But
40:55
we didn't even want to acknowledge it was like a true thing. Like
40:58
it was a thing that might happen. So we're like, we can't, we can't, we
41:00
can't even address this. We're going to think about it. Where I did. I
41:03
mean, the BL stuff, some of it was kind of ready for a season and
41:06
a bit cause
41:09
we thought it might've happened that first
41:11
year. Anyway, but there's nice narrative, perhaps
41:13
with not quite getting there in your first
41:15
season, doing it in your second season, that's a nice possibility. Isn't
41:18
it? So we can take comfort in that. But
41:20
let's just, let's just get up,
41:22
just win it Wembley. That'd be better. Winning
41:25
at Wembley will be better than finishing second. I'm going to
41:27
tell you that now. Sun might be out. No,
41:30
the sun might be out. Is it? No,
41:32
in London. No, I hope not. I
41:34
hate London. No. When
41:36
we win the playoff final. No, I'm agreeing with you.
41:38
It can come out when it's full time after that,
41:40
but not during the game. Makes me too warm. Okay.
41:46
Fine. I don't want to be too warm in Wembley. I seem
41:48
to remember being too warm last time I was there and I
41:50
didn't enjoy it. I mean, that might've
41:52
been Cardiff against Watford. Get one of those
41:55
hats with the fan built in. Yeah. That'd
41:57
be nice. And also you'd look cool. Let's
42:00
go. Bye. Yeah.
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