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And we just

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wanna get a sense of what you are. Yeah.

4:47

You forgive yourself for ums and odds.

4:49

Yeah. Dude, about that. I was

4:51

so picky making,

4:53

like, demos and myself. Like, very

4:55

few of them ever existed. and

4:57

I hope I I hope I destroyed

4:59

them all. But no. I would I would take

5:01

forever. I would take forever. I

5:03

would get inside my own head and

5:05

literally just talk. Five takes

5:08

max. There

5:08

you go. Is that it? Five takes max. I made

5:11

it up just now. Okay. No. Don't don't know where.

5:13

It's a lot of take. That seems like a lot of takes.

5:15

Three. Three takes I'll shut that number

5:17

down. Anyway, sentiment, we

5:20

can't wait to meet you. Very excited. We're gonna get the

5:22

interview process started next week. And

5:24

in the hockey,

5:25

Is it RASMAS Sandein?

5:28

Or is it more more like RASMAS

5:30

Sandein? Yay. Oh. You

5:32

see? You see? It's actually quite good. That's

5:34

okay. Do you like it? Yeah. It's been a while.

5:36

That's a solid. Six

5:39

and a half at a ten. Wow. think

5:42

Even my high school my high school average

5:44

was higher than that. By by

5:46

no four points. Was it? Yeah. because it

5:48

had six I had a sixty nine average. because

5:50

a in throughout high school, that

5:52

was about where you average? Oh, I was

5:54

averaging, like, seventy one, seventy two.

5:56

I was not I was not putting

5:58

effort in the bell. Apparently, I was a brainiac in

5:59

grade twelve. It was eighty two and a half. There you go.

6:02

Yeah. My my my every reporter was like,

6:04

if he if he cared, we would do

6:06

better. What were your eighty nine --

6:08

Oh, wait. -- stop me putting

6:10

everything in your Only in grade. So I

6:12

was a loser in high school though. Yeah. So, like,

6:14

all I did was this fucking

6:16

school. Get wedgie nerd there.

6:18

Yeah. I was just a triple play baseball

6:20

player in the eighty nine game. That was that

6:22

was what I was, like, younger. Try a little

6:24

harder, Jesse. I will. I will.

6:26

Try our

6:27

the things we rip on people

6:29

for Oh, yeah. You're doing well. Yeah.

6:32

Dreams for losers. Loser. Anyway,

6:35

well, that's great, Jesse. That's So thank you. You

6:37

know, it means a lot it means a lot when

6:39

you grow up and you realize that it doesn't

6:41

matter at all. Yes. And you just get to

6:43

wherever you want in life, you didn't have to excel

6:45

at high school. So if you're not excelling at

6:47

high school right now, don't worry. This

6:49

doesn't really matter when you're an adult at

6:51

all. No. It's funny how that works. Okay. Tell

6:53

me about it on a podcast twelve years

6:55

later or whatever, and it doesn't mean

6:57

shit. Doesn't mean anything. Honestly, the only

6:59

the only Downside about having somewhat

7:01

weak grades was my parents' disappointment.

7:03

But beyond that, hasn't really helped me backdate

7:05

it. Honestly, you're just go out and do it. And allow What

7:07

do you wanna do? Go do you're going to a specific

7:10

discipline. You wanna get into a university. You

7:12

need those grades. Yeah. That matters. But if

7:14

you're not and you're trying to find another way

7:16

to get to your career. Yeah. Just pass.

7:18

Were you in the class that I punted on

7:20

in

7:20

grade twelve? Which class? So okay.

7:23

The way it works in Ontario is

7:25

For university applications, they only

7:27

take into account your top sixth

7:29

grade. Oh, yeah. So you can

7:31

take as many as eight classes, but nobody

7:33

did that. because why would you take on

7:35

eight classes when all you need sticks? So everybody

7:37

had a spare in Great Wolf. It was awful. I

7:39

took seven because I

7:42

couldn't decide.

7:43

And I was like, okay. By,

7:45

like,

7:46

December, I'll know which one of these

7:48

is my weakest class, and I'll just

7:50

punt. Like, I'll just totally

7:53

punt. But instead of dropping it,

7:55

like, I actually just continued to go

7:57

and just not try very hard.

7:59

It was missus Ashby who was She

8:01

was tough, man. She was tough, but

8:03

I loved great teachers. It was one of my favorite

8:05

high school teachers and I had her for more

8:07

than one class that year, but I Yes. I was

8:09

in the class you planted then because I was in both of

8:11

them. Do you remember when I got up for

8:13

my, like, final presentation, and

8:15

I began my presentation with listen.

8:17

I didn't try very hard on this

8:19

because I already got into the school I wanted to.

8:21

So Sorry that you have to

8:23

sit through this. Steve, I can't remember what I ate for

8:25

dinner yesterday. So, no, I do not remember the

8:27

intro to your presentation in grade twelve for the class that

8:29

you punted And she loved us for whatever

8:31

reason, and she just put her face in her head. She's,

8:33

like, continuous weave. I

8:38

just I just complete. my

8:40

all my grades, it was, like, eighty something, eighty

8:42

something, eighty something, eighty something, fifty five.

8:44

She she delivered the the

8:46

biggest burn of school at a school

8:48

teacher has ever unintentionally delivered to

8:50

me. And I

8:51

remember because I was really good at history

8:53

until I met miss Aspie, and then I wasn't good

8:55

at his and I couldn't figure out why. So I stayed late after class. I'm

8:57

like, why don't you like my decision? She said, I

8:59

think you need to read more.

9:01

Wow. So

9:03

she just you know what? This is my strongest

9:06

subject. I loved it. Yes. And

9:08

she just it's just like

9:10

like so cold. Like, you're done.

9:13

That's why I'm out. I'm out. I'm

9:15

a chalk line at immersion. Let me ask you this

9:17

little room. I audio

9:19

booked it later. No. I

9:21

certainly I was too interested in partying

9:24

and meeting

9:25

girls and

9:26

striking out. I had a teacher.

9:29

Good knife me too, where

9:31

she was basically, like,

9:33

I think you should take a

9:35

comedy class. Oh, that's

9:37

what. But she said that because

9:39

she noticed I was always trying to

9:41

make jokes but did not find

9:43

me funny. Oh, yeah.

9:46

Yeah. And I was like oh,

9:48

like, immediately I read

9:50

all the subtext and what she was telling me. And

9:52

I was just like, wow. Cool. I'm

9:54

gonna think about that. I don't think she was encouraging you to

9:56

pursue your fashion. She was. We're actually, like, friends now.

9:58

No. That's cool. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. So,

10:00

yeah, RASMUSSENNE has signed Oh,

10:02

I signed the exact deal he was offered

10:04

in June. The idea was Dubus

10:07

wanted Timothy

10:08

Liligran and Rasmus Sandeep to sign exact

10:10

same contract on the exact same day and announced it

10:12

all together, and Rasmus Sandein said, no,

10:14

I want one point six million. And the

10:16

leaf said, no. It's gonna be one point four.

10:18

And he said, no. I'm holding out. And

10:20

they said, cool. Good luck with

10:22

that. And obviously, with the

10:24

injuries, Jake Muslin's got a back injury. He

10:26

hasn't played. He hasn't skated.

10:28

I

10:28

a little concerned about that, but

10:31

hope doesn't sound as concerned. Okay.

10:33

Mhmm. Am I right? Just

10:35

any time it's a back. and

10:37

he's been skating around just

10:39

not as a full participant in practice. But

10:41

yeah. Back. And then and then you got Jordi

10:43

Ben's got something. Dollstrom's got something. You

10:45

got it last night, and that's Kerr foot and Yarn Croke had to

10:47

play defense. That's -- Which we'll get to. --

10:49

how did they Yeah. Sure. So so and I

10:51

think CJ said at Bastian is calling today for

10:53

North Star. He was, like, he's

10:56

like, listen, you know, he

10:58

saw

10:58

the opportunity and

11:00

he did the smart thing and he took it.

11:02

Yeah.

11:03

And, like, there are parts of the deal

11:05

that make it a little bit better for

11:07

him. He's taking one point two million this

11:09

year, one point six next. which

11:12

means his qualifying offer

11:14

is one point six. I

11:16

think that's completely irrelevant.

11:19

Mhmm. Because If at the end of his

11:21

contract, RASM was standing can only command

11:23

one point six million dollars. It's been an

11:25

enormous failure. Exactly. Yeah.

11:27

Yeah. If he's only worth one point six at

11:29

the end of his contract, don't even bring him

11:31

back. Like, punt, trade him. the

11:34

But I say that as someone

11:36

who genuinely believes

11:38

Sandein will be worth far more than

11:40

that. He looks like he's gonna

11:42

be a great player. I'm I'm really

11:44

excited to see what RASMA SandINE

11:46

CAN DO WITH AN ELEVATED ROLE.

11:48

YES,

11:48

BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF SHELTERED MINUTE.

11:51

IT

11:51

HAS BEEN BUT THAT'S what you do. That's

11:53

what you do with a young guy and

11:55

when you have Morgan Riley and Jake

11:57

Muazen and etcetera etcetera.

11:59

didn't do great on the

12:02

right side, but there's lots

12:04

of runway. I I think

12:06

Keith I mean, he's gonna be

12:08

forced to tinker he

12:10

he used to forwards on

12:12

defense. And they looked okay. And they let they

12:14

gonna shut up. Yeah. They they did they did

12:16

fine. I don't even think they allowed thirty shots. I

12:18

know it's a preseason, whatever. Who cares?

12:20

One thing that

12:23

I I don't like the

12:25

narrative. I think it's a little bit wrong. today

12:28

is people are looking at

12:30

sanding getting the same contract

12:32

he was offered a few months ago.

12:34

And they're like, oh, well, what an idiot?

12:36

You're looking at it wrong. And

12:39

it's weird that people are looking at

12:41

it wrong, but I think I know why people

12:43

are looking at it wrong. because

12:45

it forces people to give Kyle

12:47

Duba's credit.

12:49

I don't think Sandeep

12:52

is

12:52

an idiot for taking the same

12:54

contract he was offered previously. I don't think his

12:56

agent is an idiot for taking the same

12:58

contract he was offered previously. I

13:00

think this is an extremely well

13:02

done job by Kyle dubious.

13:05

He stuck to his guns. He

13:07

had all the leverage in this

13:09

situation. This wasn't Nielander.

13:11

This wasn't Marner.

13:13

This wasn't the previous

13:15

contracts that he's had to deal with. This

13:17

was a guy with eighty what?

13:19

One six games or something? Like

13:21

barely over eighty NHL games

13:23

to his name, Less than

13:25

thirty points -- Eighty eight. -- eighty eight. William

13:27

Nielander. Yeah. Yeah.

13:29

Hey. Oh, represented by the same guy

13:31

too. Yeah. And, like, I

13:33

assume this felt very good for Kaldi was

13:35

to, I don't know, get one up

13:37

on Lewis Gross if if that's how you

13:39

wanna frame it. But It's

13:41

just it's just a job well done.

13:43

Yes. It's just a really it's it's a

13:45

job well done by the leaves. I'm

13:47

glad they

13:49

they stuck to it. This was even

13:51

less than Freeage has been

13:53

teasing all week. It's

13:56

gonna be two years around one

13:58

point five, and it's even less.

13:59

And we know Dubus does some of that last minute

14:02

stuff. He did it with Macayev and got him to

14:04

take, like, it was it was

14:06

a negligible amount of money, but it wasn't

14:08

negligible for the leafs. They needed to squeeze

14:10

every dollar. out of just

14:12

it's just a job really, really,

14:14

really well done and now the leafs have

14:16

a good player locked up for two

14:18

years. and a really good decor

14:21

even when there's injuries. And I don't

14:23

situation. We should blame Lewis Girls or

14:25

Sandin for trying. No. think doing

14:27

their job. I think they did the right thing here

14:29

and they held out as long as possible for a little

14:31

bit more money and they took a shot and they tried to

14:33

get in, they didn't get it. And we

14:35

don't know how much of the

14:37

of the old offer was

14:39

signing bonus. So they got a lot of

14:41

signing bonus and you know,

14:43

there's there's a lot of tax

14:45

conversation when it comes to the the

14:47

leaves and and all the

14:49

Canadian teams and all their their tax tire

14:51

and the American teams have an advantage.

14:54

The advantage the leafs have is their

14:56

financial might and the ability

15:00

to offer signing

15:03

bonuses upfront because

15:05

the quicker you have cash in hand, the

15:07

quicker you can invest it in the quicker you

15:09

could potentially make

15:11

more money off of that. So one

15:13

point four million dollars for

15:15

RASMA Sandin

15:17

receiving,

15:18

like, half of it upfront. I I can't

15:21

remember what the bonuses are. We'll

15:23

go farther than one point four

15:25

million dollars spread throughout the year

15:27

-- Yeah. -- signing with some other team.

15:29

Yes. Yeah. So that's that's the

15:31

advantage that the leafs and several other teams

15:33

throughout the league have. And then

15:35

then Lee's fans don't go with the

15:38

Sandy and you lost narrative. Like Yeah. This is this

15:40

is your guy. Don't do that. This is your

15:42

It's not a thing. Yeah. You didn't lose

15:44

that name. Would you do you ever You wanted this?

15:47

Yeah. Right. You wanted this guy on the

15:49

team. Now don't make fun of them or --

15:51

Yeah. -- say, oh, your loss negotiations are

15:53

ridiculous. Yeah. III

15:56

also think, obviously, that

15:59

serve my phone buzzer. I

15:59

got a little bit thrown off. But Yeah.

16:02

With with Sandin, obviously,

16:04

he's got a step up big, but I think it's also

16:06

interesting Chris mentioned. And By the way, the

16:08

CJ Show recorded this morning

16:10

as the Sandeep contract was

16:12

announced. So it'll be very, very interesting. Chris

16:14

has been following this not just for

16:16

the last few weeks, not just for the last few months,

16:18

but for, like, the last year.

16:20

And

16:20

so he's he has

16:22

he I I think specifically, Chris,

16:25

has some very unique insights on this

16:27

that I don't think you're gonna get anywhere

16:29

else. And I think

16:31

if you listen to the CJ Show today,

16:34

First off, they're they're reacting to it on the

16:36

fly. Second, one of the things he mentions in the

16:38

column, which he got posted right

16:40

away. It's crazy to how quickly he had

16:42

it up. is that the lease are

16:44

going to with LTIR space find

16:46

something contract

16:47

wise for Zac Aston Reese. Now it might

16:49

be seven hundred and fifty thousand bucks,

16:51

but there's another depth option

16:53

who's

16:53

got tremendous defensive

16:56

skill on for which they need.

16:58

And you know, and I guess one of the

17:00

standouts for Keith too is Nicholas O'Bey

17:02

Cobel, who -- Yeah. -- you know, it seems

17:04

like the leaves have got these every

17:07

year Dubus does a really good job

17:09

of finding these depth pieces. Now we'll see how

17:11

they play out in the first twenty twenty five games kinda like

17:13

with Nick Ritchie. But, boy, they have

17:15

a lot of great options. They do.

17:18

And, yeah, I could see the problem on

17:20

the horizon of, you know, you don't have

17:22

Michael bunting locked up, you don't have David Kemp

17:24

locked up, and those are two really important parts of

17:26

your team. But that

17:28

sounds like many, many months from now's

17:30

problem. Mhmm. And in the meantime,

17:32

I'm just geared up to enjoy

17:35

a really fun

17:36

looking leaf season. And you either resign

17:38

them at the end of the season or you

17:40

find the next comp and and bunting, and that's

17:42

his job. Yep. This

17:43

is I I always talk about

17:45

what I wanted out to do this when he

17:47

became Leaf's GM.

17:49

And, yeah, he's got some

17:52

tendencies I don't like, but he's

17:54

done a very good job. Yeah. He's done a

17:56

very good job. Look at the core. Fill the gaps.

17:58

Yep. He's done a very good job. I would like

17:59

there to be know,

18:02

a little bit more term -- Mhmm. -- to

18:04

the the quote unquote gaps.

18:06

You know? I I mean, people

18:08

kind of forget the curve foot fits under

18:10

that. We're trying to punt him out the door, but he was locked up

18:12

to four years. Yeah. But

18:15

And his video was taken camp, I would like

18:17

to see get done. But

18:19

But, I mean, there's

18:20

he's got one season

18:22

in front of him at a time. Yard Croke

18:25

and curvefoot played defense

18:27

last name after the injuries. You broke another one, by

18:29

the way, four years. Yeah. And they looked

18:32

longest tenured leaf at the currently.

18:34

Like, longest contract on the leaf. We set for

18:36

Riley, except for Riley. Large grower.

18:39

Yeah. I believe. Yeah. Yeah.

18:41

Well, until, I don't know, July first next

18:43

year when Matthews get signed. Yeah. And

18:45

they're they're gonna make it seem by the way that's like,

18:47

oh, we it's crazy that

18:49

we had this we just threw this contract at

18:51

them and they said, sure. But we didn't talk about

18:53

it beforehand. No. That's illegal.

18:55

Yeah. No. Also, why is that

18:57

illegal? Anyway, yard

18:59

Krogan Kerfoot playing defense in preseason was cool last night,

19:01

and they actually asked Sheldon Keith after the

19:04

game. Like, okay. Let's say,

19:06

Let's say you get two injuries from your defense during

19:09

the game. Do you play do you just do

19:11

you play forwards back there or do you just keep it

19:13

to the top four? And he's like, well, I don't like the

19:15

answer hypotheticals, and then he starts laughing. And

19:18

then he's like, I think that's

19:20

a lot to ask. when

19:22

we they lost two defensemen early in the first. Right? He

19:24

said, so yes, we would actually move

19:26

forwards back. And they didn't look completely

19:29

out of place. Like, yard pro

19:31

got beat a couple times, but Matt Murray bailed

19:33

him out. Yeah. And,

19:34

like, I mean, they're also I mean, it's

19:37

preseason. I know it's the preseason. They're not going

19:39

up against like the habs best. And,

19:41

like, I think I think yesterday

19:44

was a a great example

19:46

of eighteen year

19:48

olds with potential are still eighteen.

19:52

And, like, I I was ready

19:54

to watch your Iceland Kalske and

19:56

I remember remember being near the end of the I'm like, oh, there he

19:58

is. Mhmm. It's that's the first

19:59

time I've noticed him. He

20:02

he did have a few plays that

20:04

you know, little flashes where I was like, oh, it's you know,

20:06

this guy, like, yeah,

20:09

just bumping Victor Mette off the puck --

20:11

Mhmm. -- like effortlessly because

20:13

he's in absolute will to

20:15

beast on skates. That was

20:17

fun. But, I mean, he's eighteen. And he's

20:19

not even surrounded by the best

20:21

talent, the hab's

20:24

have, it he'll be fine. I mean,

20:26

it's I'm watching this fully knowing

20:28

it's preseason. Yeah. There there was a

20:30

moment yesterday during the

20:32

second where I was just like, this hockey

20:34

is hog shit. Can I

20:36

what? I love it. Can I say something about

20:38

the preseason? there's

20:39

too many games. Oh, there's way

20:41

too many preseason preseason games for the

20:43

least. There used to be three or four. It's down

20:46

from nine. Yeah. It's it's

20:48

absolutely ridiculous. There shouldn't be two weeks of preseason games,

20:50

a full sched seven games. It's

20:52

ridiculous. I think the problem The problem

20:54

is that a lot of these teams do

20:56

make some serious money off of it, like

20:58

the leaf. are close to sell out

21:00

every night. And I know it doesn't

21:02

really matter for the Toronto Maple Leaf bottom

21:04

line, but for a team like

21:06

Calgary, for

21:07

team, like, I don't know, let's

21:09

say Nashville. That might matter a lot more. Here, could

21:11

I give you some reasons why the preseason's

21:14

too long? John Tavares.

21:16

Jake Musm. Yeah. Mhmm.

21:20

Fraser Minton, Donald

21:22

Trump. Carl Donaldstrom. Marty Ben. Jordy Ben.

21:25

Yep. Who who else am I missing? I know.

21:27

No. I know. Oh, Adam God

21:29

debts. Oh, yeah. He's he's got that shoulder thing.

21:31

Your ConXVance. we continue blockbuster.

21:33

Yeah. Gillian McAev. Yep.

21:35

McAev are gonna be okay for me,

21:37

Chris. Look in -- Yeah. -- last night,

21:39

awful. Whoa. Oh, did he get smacked? By the

21:41

way, I I just wanna say, McCabe's gonna be

21:43

okay. He's white. Yeah. We

21:44

saw that. Yeah. That is good. It's

21:46

way too long for all of these teams. I don't

21:48

I don't know how you make up the revenue if

21:50

it's significant, but find a way three

21:52

games, match extend training capabilities you want, but

21:54

keep these guys You know what you know what make the

21:57

people happy? Jersey patches. We should look into

21:58

that. People love those. I hear.

22:01

Anyway, III also

22:03

wanna throw this at you. It would never work on

22:05

me. Hey, does anyone wanna

22:07

enjoy a

22:07

cold glass of milk. Is

22:10

milk from Ontario? Yeah. I

22:12

would like that. Oh, yeah. Only that though.

22:15

some dairy farmers in Ontario made that milk. Fields in

22:17

the last name. I appreciate it.

22:19

Kevin Pappetty tweeted this last night.

22:21

And again, I know it's preseason. I know it's like game

22:23

three or four in Dennis Malgan is the leaf's leading scorer

22:26

right now. But Hello. Hello. Hello.

22:28

Hello. The best

22:30

possible outcome is so funny, but

22:32

Elias Samsung now, forty minutes played, zero goals

22:34

against sixteen saves. Matt Murray, forty minutes

22:37

played, zero goals against sixteen saves. If

22:39

goal tending is mostly a

22:41

head game. and a lot of coaches will

22:43

tell you it is. Mhmm. Like, there

22:45

are some obviously physical

22:48

specimens like Vasilevskiy who are

22:50

just it's different. Carrie

22:52

Price at his prime, it's different. But

22:54

most

22:54

goalies are very, very,

22:57

very, very good at this

22:59

level. And

22:59

a lot of it is between the ears or

23:01

its injuries. Mhmm. Not a bad start for two

23:03

guys that could use some confidence. No. I

23:05

mean, that's all the preseason is

23:08

about is Gaining

23:09

confidence, Ilias Himsonov. Here's

23:11

a little bit for you. Mhmm.

23:13

Matt Murray, here's a little bit

23:15

for you. And really underratedly, and you could

23:17

see it on his space. Nick

23:20

Robertson. Oh, yeah. That was that

23:22

was he needed that goal. Yeah. He

23:24

needed that goal. What? Jesse.

23:26

get into five balls. Get into

23:28

a ball. Get into a ball. That's

23:31

a that's a that's a preseason goal

23:33

if I've ever seen one. That's

23:35

a Oh, yeah. No.

23:37

Fucking Jason Spencer is

23:39

Prime mayor. Before we get

23:41

to, you can bet that. just just

23:43

a tweet from the Oakleafs. From a

23:46

reminder that Nikita Zaitre has two more

23:48

years left at an AAV that

23:50

pays basically

23:51

the same as the two year deals that

23:53

both Lilligan and Sandeep have signed. Wow.

23:56

That's

23:57

a mouthful. So -- Here we go.

23:59

-- if you

23:59

combined Lillegren and Sandeep.

24:02

Oh,

24:02

both years of both players. If

24:04

yeah, they still make less than Zaitre

24:07

does per year. Oh my god. No.

24:10

Holy

24:10

shit. I know. So, you know,

24:13

listen. For every

24:13

anybody that still loves

24:15

your boy, Lou. One point four

24:17

million plus one point four million equals two

24:19

point eight million. got Nikita Soshnikov and

24:22

he scored a preseason goal. Nikita

24:24

Zaitre makes four and a half a year.

24:26

Yeah. So they have Logan

24:28

and Sandeep. for

24:29

half of Nikita. That deal was something.

24:31

It was something. Okay. With that, let's

24:33

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24:44

Okay, Dave. We gotta talk Buffalo

24:46

I mean, little bit of a disappointing

24:49

loss last week. We thought they were gonna be the

24:51

number one team in the league, but here come the the

24:53

dolphins coming in and beating them. what's

24:55

going on this week? What are we looking at at sports

24:57

interaction dot com slash STP? Yeah. You know

24:59

what? Tough schedule too. You talk about how

25:01

they started off, and now they're in

25:03

Baltimore. They're favorites in Baltimore by a bounded field

25:05

goal. Like at time

25:07

of our video here, it's gonna be a field

25:09

goal. I think it's probably gonna stay

25:11

around there. I think the bills get it right.

25:13

This is a pretty good Raven's team, though,

25:15

Lamar Jackson, is fantastic.

25:17

And if you have them in Fantasy, you're probably

25:19

winning all your Fantasy drafts and so

25:21

forth. But I think the bills get

25:23

it right. What about you guys? Steve? Well,

25:25

I

25:25

just wanna know odds on another press

25:27

box tantrum, were they just No. I'm

25:30

not. and I never think that was a

25:32

good video. wild clip. That was great. That

25:34

was great. Yeah. I I you know what? I

25:36

I think I'm a I'm actually a big believer in the

25:38

Buffalo Bills. I just The one

25:40

thing like, when I when I will start

25:42

to get worried about it is I think they've got a little bit

25:44

of that leaf's curse. You put them in the playoffs and things

25:47

go wrong. Right. But regular

25:49

season, I'm all on board the Buffalo Bills that I'm

25:51

taking. All on board. Circle the wagons. You

25:53

got it. Same. Secondly,

25:57

you got you've got a prop here on Matt Murray. And this is

25:59

gonna be an interesting one

25:59

because

25:59

he's had a really good start in the preseason. I know

26:02

it's preseason, but it's a

26:03

good start. Tell us a little bit

26:06

about it. Save percent. Well, yeah. Yeah. You

26:08

know, I'd say a percentage. So we we've

26:10

set the same percentage at sports interaction,

26:12

and it's it's 909 and

26:14

a half. So you're going over under 909

26:17

and a half percentage

26:19

wise. Right? So you think that your

26:22

solid goal tending in the NHL

26:24

is over that point. Is

26:27

he gonna be a solid goal

26:29

tending to you? I mean, I

26:31

I think so. I,

26:33

man, that's still really high. Like it

26:35

is. I know. because safe

26:37

percentages are going down league wide. It's it's

26:39

nothing even against him, and the

26:41

leafs did a okay

26:43

last regular season with sub nine

26:45

hundred goaltending. So for

26:47

me, I I gotta take the

26:49

under while

26:49

cheering for the over. Take your chances. a

26:52

really good season and still be under

26:54

that nine ten. That's

26:56

that's one of those little bets where I

26:58

where I where I Where I cheer against

27:00

myself, you know what I mean? Yeah. But

27:02

if I win, I'm like, well, I won.

27:05

Yeah. I don't know about you guys,

27:07

but, you know, if if you had to

27:09

tell me and I had to make a bet right

27:11

now, I don't think Matt Murray's gonna

27:13

be the starter mid season. inch I really

27:15

think I really think it's the other guy because

27:17

I think there's a lot lot going on

27:19

there and pretty good pedigree as well.

27:21

I I know Matt Murray has the cops and so

27:23

forth, but I just got a

27:25

feeling Elliott's in Sonos gonna be your

27:27

starter by mid season. And the less you

27:29

play, the higher your safe percentage can

27:31

be. Oh. Potentially.

27:34

Potentially. I well, so

27:36

Who's who's right? Who's

27:39

who's gonna be the starter for the leaves?

27:42

Whoever's healthy. There it is.

27:44

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energy? Always. So,

30:07

you know, obviously, we had a lot of

30:09

bad news with injury. We're talking about all the

30:11

injured players, what you guys did not mention. Mhmm.

30:13

Is Sean

30:14

Couturey does not need

30:16

surgery? That's good. And he is

30:18

day to day. Oh. I

30:19

read week to week, but day to day is much

30:22

better. Yeah. Well, let me, listen, he could be week

30:24

to week. I mean, really Those are the same

30:26

isn't it the same thing? Depends with you.

30:28

Weeks are just a collection of days.

30:30

Wow. So So we're years.

30:33

That's true. Is it year to year? You must

30:35

That's what they needed. So, like, fractional

30:37

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30:39

That's that's good for him. They they've come out public.

30:41

He said they don't expect Ryan Ellis to play

30:43

now. Like I was reading ESPN this morning and they were

30:45

like, yeah, there's no way. You

30:47

talk about a guy who was great right

30:50

up until you couldn't play. Right. And mean,

30:52

who knows? Maybe he will. But I think

30:54

that's great news for the flyers. And

30:56

I think I think with

30:59

torts there, and what he's trying to

31:01

do, which, you

31:03

know, I'm not always on board

31:05

with John Torerell's coaching style, but I

31:07

will say this. He

31:08

was bang on that there's a culture problem there.

31:10

Mhmm. There's an accountability problem

31:12

there. Mhmm. And I if I

31:14

had an organization with that issue,

31:16

he'd be the phone call that I'd be making.

31:19

And with couture y there,

31:21

I think that allows the

31:23

flyers to be that much separate because because if if you're

31:25

injured, you're really not around the team much. Right?

31:27

Yeah. That's true. And so for Katrina to be

31:29

in the dressing room, to be

31:30

be able to skate, to be able to play,

31:32

that is going to be a huge

31:34

thing for whatever the flyers are going to be in the

31:37

future. And whether or not this core or these

31:39

group this group of guys even works?

31:41

And for a guy who was pretty

31:43

consistently in the selkie conversation when

31:45

he was healthy. Like, you

31:46

talk about a a torch's dream.

31:49

I think Shankatore will absolutely

31:51

be And part of the reason I think Torts is popular with a

31:53

lot of the players that he's coached

31:56

is he squeezes

31:58

blood from a stone

31:59

But

32:00

what what

32:03

that gives birth to is

32:05

players making money in their career that

32:07

they never would have made. Mhmm. You know what I mean?

32:09

Mhmm. If if a coach can make a

32:11

player better, all of a sudden your

32:13

career earnings go A rich drum,

32:15

league minimum guide two,

32:17

I signed a contract where I make three million

32:19

times three or something like that. It's pretty

32:21

sweet. What That's life changer. That's life

32:23

changer. You can see why guys like

32:24

them and they probably don't like them during

32:27

practice. I hope the couture

32:29

holds up because in February of

32:31

remember he only played twenty nine games last year. He

32:33

had back surgery. And this upper body

32:35

injury that they thought was he was gonna require

32:37

surgery again, which they haven't really specified what

32:39

the injury is. That would've that's

32:41

another

32:41

injury on top of the back surgery

32:43

that he already had that he's recovering from.

32:45

Yeah. So I I'm interested

32:47

to see how his season goes and if

32:49

these injuries hold off because it doesn't sound like

32:51

his body's keeping up right now.

32:53

There's no

32:55

zero. There's zero incentive for

32:57

the flyers to rush him

33:00

back. So

33:00

I assume he's playing because he's good to go. Yeah. And he's

33:02

not playing yet, you know, he hasn't participated in

33:04

any practices yet, but it's good that

33:06

no surgery is But he's

33:08

here just happened. So it's just a

33:11

collection of days. Just a collection of

33:13

days. Months to months,

33:15

year to year. Second. Kevin

33:18

Adams gets an extension in Buffalo. I

33:20

didn't realize this. Check this out. Sabers had

33:22

thirty four points, sorry, thirty five points

33:24

from March second to the end of the season last year.

33:26

Dude, they

33:26

were good. They were good. No. That's

33:29

twelve best in the NHL. No.

33:31

During that spin. During this spin

33:33

or the games didn't matter. The

33:35

leafs were the Kings of March.

33:37

Yep. In the early years

33:39

of my LFR video. Oh, yeah. And then they would

33:41

just miss the playoffs by two points. And they would

33:44

yep. And, yeah, they would just be like, alright, let's

33:46

fuck up our draft pick. And and

33:49

they would do that every year, bro.

33:51

Last year last game of the season.

33:53

First. first ever hat trick in

33:55

a six hundred plus game NHL career came

33:57

in his last ever NHL

34:00

game, but it got the leaf snazz and

34:02

gadgetry instead of Bradensham. which I

34:04

would say worked up -- Yeah. --

34:06

because Burke wanted both. He was pissed.

34:10

But, yeah, that's it's

34:12

a tough one

34:13

to evaluate. The leaves used to be the kings

34:15

of March, the sabers. I think the

34:18

sabers were

34:20

good before the dog

34:22

days, though. They had a good start last

34:24

year. Mhmm. Right? They had

34:25

a like, they didn't as in they

34:27

won a few games and people were like, hey.

34:29

Yeah. But then there's then there's I think

34:32

the savers

34:32

were among the teams in the NHL

34:34

who probably played the most

34:36

games against backup goalies. Mhmm.

34:39

someone's gonna play them.

34:42

And there's a lot of good backup goalies in the

34:44

NHL. I I think And you're in

34:46

a terrible division for them. Like, it's a

34:48

terrible division. They deserve I'm

34:50

gonna say reserved credit. Here's

34:52

here's a question I have. Jesse, who has a

34:55

computer in front of him? Who the hell is

34:57

are the Sabre's two goalies? know they

34:59

have Craig Anderson, who's forty

35:01

one, and who can pack a

35:03

look at them?

35:05

Did you

35:07

decide?

35:10

Eric

35:10

Comery and Craig

35:12

Anderson.

35:12

That's that's

35:14

tough. That's not

35:15

great. That's tough.

35:16

Yeah. Blue Quebeca

35:17

and Malcolm Sudan are in

35:20

the AHL. I

35:23

mean,

35:24

like, that's their

35:28

four. That's you know, and I mean

35:30

Craig Anderson was better than anyone

35:32

could rightfully expect a

35:34

forty year old forty plus year old

35:36

to be in the National

35:38

Hockey League. But

35:38

we're getting away from the point.

35:40

Kevin Adams has done

35:42

a job with the buffalo sabers

35:46

that prior

35:48

to the Eichol trade, I would have never imagined possible.

35:50

Hopeless. Yeah.

35:51

Completely They

35:53

did

35:53

a great job in that

35:55

deal taking nothing taking nothing away from Jack Heiko. I I

35:57

expect him to have a amazing season with the Vegas

36:00

Golden Knights, but they got

36:02

some really

36:04

good pieces Well, okay.

36:06

Alex talked, Payton Cravs a first and a

36:08

second. Yep. Absolutely.

36:09

Noted Alan Walsh, a

36:12

client, j j Pertura. That's right. Who I even texted him

36:14

when he announced that. I was like, J. J. Pertura is

36:16

really good. Like, good good job. The

36:18

buffalo sabers have some real pieces. It's

36:20

just a

36:22

little quick to be like, oh, they had a great end of the season because teams

36:24

don't go o n eighty two. Every team

36:26

will reach, like, a threshold, you know?

36:30

had thirty five points, which is good for

36:32

twelve. But if you need any channel of those

36:34

labors, if the job Kevin Adams has

36:36

done is thumbs up. Like,

36:38

fantastic. They have serious pieces. Like,

36:40

taste Johnson, the forty one goals he

36:42

had last year. Who saw that

36:44

coming? Even Daleens improving

36:46

a lot. Darlene

36:48

taking, like,

36:48

a full season of Darlene

36:51

performing like that with Owen

36:53

Power behind him. Yep. That that could

36:55

that could really be a disruption in

36:57

the Atlantic.

36:58

Dylan Cousins is still

37:00

there.

37:02

Not quite at the same level

37:03

as those guys, but yeah. Yeah. Still there. Still

37:05

there. Jack Quinn. They got -- Yeah. --

37:07

a lot of prospects. A

37:09

little score taged Tom.

37:11

And portugal scores. They got a lot of good pieces.

37:13

A resurgence. excited for the future of the

37:15

Buffalo Saver. Usful. I'm gonna

37:18

say, Jeff

37:20

skinner. Yeah. You know what I mean? Is he overpaid? Yeah. Okay. But

37:22

is he useful? Absolutely.

37:25

Yeah. So you're They

37:28

got a really little bush. They got a really little. They got a bush. I

37:30

didn't realize that they got a little shit. I'm

37:32

gonna miss bush. I like them bush.

37:36

I miss I miss offensive dynamo,

37:38

Ilias. They alert Joe with Oeyey

37:40

won't see much on the offensive side

37:42

and they

37:44

were not. hitting. Yeah. But then he scored, I

37:46

think, amazing two goals, which

37:48

-- Yeah. -- leaps. Weird. Any of

37:50

that one crazy

37:52

rush play. great.

37:56

So you're so the Kevin Adams extension,

37:58

I think I mean, it

37:59

Buffalo, like, the the light

38:01

has at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel is quite long

38:03

at this point. Kevin Adams deserved the extension. With

38:05

the lights on. The lights on. Like what's

38:08

going on? Yeah. Well

38:10

earned extension. Okay. Light wasn't on for a long time. Also, it's that

38:12

part of year where everything's hopeful. Listen,

38:14

you you have to remember, as Steve says, they're

38:16

best shape about your life this time of year, and no

38:18

one's lost a game

38:20

in months. Bingo. And and so when you're I

38:22

mean, I'm happy for Buffalo and that's really I'm not

38:24

saying that they're gonna be this team this year,

38:26

but for at least three

38:28

teams every year, the situation

38:30

feels absolutely hopeless. It was just

38:32

that usually those teams switch out

38:34

and for the last eight or nine, it's been

38:36

muffled. Listen, someone's

38:38

you know, it's nice to see them. Yeah.

38:40

Someone's gotta finish last,

38:42

but I don't think there's anywhere to hide in the Atlantic.

38:44

Like, even the teams that finished 678I

38:47

think are gonna

38:48

make it really difficult to earn points,

38:50

and there's gonna be a lot of that as

38:52

a leaf fan because and and I said terrible

38:54

division when I meant by terrible division is that

38:56

it's terrible for the savers because it's gonna be

39:00

But everything's still hard. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

39:02

But with the leaves, I really like that because one of the

39:04

knocks against them and I don't think it's warranted

39:06

anymore. It might have been

39:08

early on. is that

39:09

there were nights where they just didn't show up.

39:11

And And a lot of them

39:13

were against Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah.

39:16

It lost a surprising amount of games to Ottawa and

39:18

Buffalo recently. It's crazy. But

39:20

I don't

39:21

think that they're gonna be

39:24

allowed to do that. And once you're in that

39:26

mode of we gonna have to fight

39:28

every night, there is no off night here.

39:30

Like,

39:30

maybe we get night against Philadelphia, and it's not so bad. But then

39:32

It's towards, man. It's not

39:36

easy. and

39:38

every player on that team has two assists. That's

39:41

Oh, yeah. They're

39:41

gonna be the broad season. Is the

39:43

street

39:44

bully's again? Is there an easy game in the

39:48

No. I don't think so. I don't

39:49

think so either. There there might be teams

39:51

that are easier to get points

39:53

out of, but every

39:56

game is unpleasant.

39:58

Jesse wanted to talk about

39:59

this last time, but the most

40:02

important list in the world got in

40:04

the way Although, I did get some some The

40:06

kid line in New York, Laffroniard,

40:08

Turtle, and Kako, Keto.

40:11

I got it. It's You

40:13

can be forgiven. He'll he'll spell He'll he'll

40:17

Gerard Blonde said today

40:19

sorry, yesterday, if they're starting the

40:21

season together, I'm happy with it.

40:23

They played sheltered

40:24

minutes, but they were extremely effective in

40:26

the playoffs last year, which is when they originally

40:28

to work together, Jesse. I was gonna

40:30

save this

40:31

for a season previews. But

40:34

I wanna say it I wanna say it now,

40:36

ahead of that. No. I wanna

40:38

preview my preview. No. I'm

40:40

all in

40:40

on the New York Rangers. Shut up.

40:42

That's my Stanley company. Yeah. Real hot take team that went to the

40:45

Actually, it's eastern conference. follow me. There's thirty

40:47

two teams. You gotta pick one, and I'm all

40:49

in. Eastern conference is final

40:52

with Pheasant away. It's too small. not ridiculous. like for his

40:56

risk taking.

40:59

job. I'm just I'm just saying I'm getting it

41:01

out there. So when all of you follow my lead

41:03

and you're all in on the New York

41:05

Rangers as well as your Stanley Cup pick.

41:07

Mhmm. Just just to let you know I was there

41:09

first. because the team is ridiculous. They're

41:11

so crazy deep and they have the best gold tender

41:13

in the world. It's

41:15

like Jesse planting a flag in the middle of Dundas Square. Like,

41:18

you didn't discover it, man. Like,

41:23

this is where the center of the

41:25

city will be. No, man. There are, like,

41:27

ten good teams via challenge. This is the

41:29

one I'm picking. Jesse, they call that shooting

41:31

an arrow and then painting a bullseye around

41:33

it. That's not I don't

41:35

think everybody's out there being like the New York Raiders

41:37

are gonna be the best team in the NHL.

41:39

are that. Ranger fans. Okay.

41:42

There's one. And there's a

41:43

lot of them. Okay. There's a lot

41:45

of them. They don't

41:47

gap. Okay. Best team in the NHL. Not a lot of

41:49

people. Yeah. Oh, it's a

41:52

common opinion. It's so

41:54

common. Everybody's saying, man. Move on.

41:57

I'll give rangers,

41:58

man. I'm sorry. I tried to give you

42:00

some love. I tried to put

42:02

my flag to your tee. I tried

42:04

to put my flag down. I've done this where

42:06

your team is in New York. It's the Times Square. Times yeah.

42:08

It's Times Square, but not as good. And they

42:11

won't let me because they said everybody's

42:13

doing it. Yeah. Let our you

42:15

are Everybody's there already. I'm just joining you.

42:17

Our Times Square is less naked cowboys,

42:19

more religious fanatics, basically.

42:22

Just everybody yelling too close to

42:24

the microphone. That guy,

42:28

I watched him make a woman

42:30

jump out of her shoes one day.

42:32

That's the second guy. If you're not from -- You're not gonna

42:34

get that. -- if you're from -- Trump or how? He's got

42:36

a he's got one of those Yorkville PA systems, and

42:38

he's got it turned up to, like,

42:42

literally eleven. And Guys, I'm talking about oh, yeah. Like He's

42:44

got equipment now. Oh, no. Well, there's guys there with

42:46

equipment. I think I'm are we talking about a

42:48

different guy He's talking about a different car.

42:51

man. Like, they're they're they're everywhere. No. The guy who

42:53

walks around with shopping bags or just screams

42:55

to leave. Oh, no. No. No. Not

42:58

bad. Scared these shit out of someone one

43:00

day, Anna. I really

43:02

had to stifle that laugh.

43:04

I think it's it's

43:06

the top

43:08

three deepest forward core

43:10

in hockey. Mhmm. That

43:11

fourth line with Ryan Reeves and

43:13

Barclay Goudreaux is gonna be

43:15

something of a You just

43:17

take absolute chaos in the playoffs again. So

43:19

not fun. When when they have that

43:22

that third line, that kid line is gonna

43:24

be the most fun lie in

43:26

hockey. The bina jet up front

43:28

panaren there. Cravs. Crayder

43:30

is gonna score a shit ton of goals.

43:32

And then you go to the defense, and

43:34

they've top three

43:35

defenseman Kale Makar and then

43:37

probably somebody and then Adam Fox out over

43:39

putting Yossi there who were breaking it above him.

43:41

Fox, I think, is

43:44

comfortably top five. Comfortably top

43:45

five. Comfortably top

43:46

ten, probably -- Oh, five.

43:48

-- dispensaries?

43:49

Yeah. We'll expect that. I'm

43:51

putting top three defensively. Adam,

43:53

what the Fox say? Yeah. And then you

43:56

got young guys like Keundra Miller.

43:58

Yeah. Who's going up? Who's -- Right. -- who's gonna

44:00

start just backing in a couple of

44:02

years. I didn't even see your whole Apparently, Jimmy

44:04

VC's had a an unbelievable camp. I was

44:06

reading this morning. Are there staples like,

44:08

hey, watch out. Also Also,

44:10

second pairing second pairing Troopa,

44:12

who's been an all star. I know. And

44:14

capitan. The he's the oldest

44:16

defenseman they currently have on roster

44:19

right now. Got it. And he's twenty eight. Who's the next turbo?

44:21

True. But the next Elvis is Adam Fox at twenty

44:23

four and Ryan Lingren in

44:26

twenty four. Are

44:26

you serious? They have a very young course. Seriously,

44:28

this is ridiculous. It's amazing. Now, Jesse didn't

44:31

mention

44:31

the guy

44:34

that I was the biggest fan of this summer. I thought it was the most or the

44:36

most adept signings this summer. And the Ranger

44:38

sign up. Who am I gonna instant encroach?

44:40

enough and treasure You're all

44:41

I thought you were gonna see noted Allen lost.

44:44

Kinda No. Yeah.

44:46

You yeah. The Ranger killer, Halak,

44:48

is now with the Rangers. Mhmm. But

44:51

Vinnie Trochak. I think he is awesome.

44:53

He's useful. He can score a lot.

44:55

He can do a lot, and he comes from a

44:57

really good system in Carolina as well.

44:59

And I just I don't know, man. But

45:01

what a great signing? A great addition to what I would call the

45:04

swarm. Mhmm. The rangers

45:05

are

45:06

just they're they're a swarm.

45:09

It's Where do you hide? You don't have a roster? You

45:12

don't. Mm-mm. You can't. To think

45:14

that three years ago, this is an

45:16

organization that put out a letter that

45:18

said, we're gonna rebuild be patient with

45:20

us. And to see where they are now,

45:22

it's so impressive and I hope that

45:24

they do some damage this year. Again,

45:26

as they did last year, making it to the Conference

45:28

Final. We praised it for a reason, like,

45:30

when that decision was made and

45:32

look at them now. Mhmm.

45:35

Broad Street's back. Even though I don't

45:37

I don't really root for the Broad

45:39

Street. Broad

45:40

Street is

45:43

famous. I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, man. Flyer's and Rangers

45:45

fans are mad at you now. I'm sorry.

45:47

Even though I don't really wanna root for James

45:49

Dolan to have more

45:52

successes, but Wire James Bull, it's not -- Right. -- checking out the Rangers.

45:54

Alright. He's watching the Knicks. He's

45:56

got out of the Knicks. He's not watching them either.

45:58

He's playing with his baby. That's

46:00

fantastic. You

46:02

got soon because he played a

46:04

little bitch. Listen. Listen. I respect

46:06

that he's got a dad band. A

46:09

good dad band. a really good dad band is a good band. Like,

46:11

they're fun to go see My dad's in a bad band.

46:13

Your dad's in a dad. Exactly. That'd

46:16

be, like, grandma, me and

46:18

Adam suing Steve from

46:20

SDB. I'm suing you because you're not paying enough attention

46:22

to the company because you're playing too much video

46:24

games. We don't. We could take a case, if thank you.

46:27

And my response would

46:29

just be, like, the house It's

46:31

research from Red Dead. What?

46:34

What would it get aboard with a son and a

46:36

ruling? I'll cut it. I don't remember.

46:38

I I don't know Red Dead. Like,

46:41

there was a hammer and a nail on nail on

46:43

nail it. Steve knows Red Dead like the Pope

46:45

knows the bible. We're like it's hard to build

46:47

a little house

46:50

together. You know what? God, no. I haven't played

46:52

it in four years, man. And I never finished

46:54

the game. I should have finished your piece of

46:56

shit. I know. I never finished any game.

46:59

Let me think. There's low honor. Update

47:02

on Hockey Canada is a little more serious,

47:04

but not too, like, The

47:06

only update I'm gonna give you is that they gotta go in front of another committee.

47:09

Hockey Canada, this is according to the

47:11

athletic, Hockey Canada boarder director director's director's

47:13

chair, Andrea Skinner,

47:16

Former former chair, Michael Brinavess, are among a

47:18

group of people summoned to appear

47:20

at a parliamentary hearing October fourth

47:24

regarding the governing bodies handling

47:26

of sexual assault allegations in London

47:28

twenty eighteen, former hockey Canada president

47:30

and CEO and current Edmonton Oilers,

47:32

president

47:33

and CEO, I believe, Bob Nicholson

47:35

was also asked to appear. He'll be before the standing committee

47:37

on Canadian heritage, which is investigating hockey

47:40

Canada and their handling of the sexual

47:42

assault allegations. from

47:44

members of the two thousand three and twenty eighteen

47:46

Canadian World Junior teams. And

47:48

we've been wondering about Bob

47:51

Nicholson's piece in this for a

47:53

while. Right? Because he was there for a long, long time.

47:55

It's he was too influential

47:56

in the organization for

47:58

him to have zero input

48:02

into any of this. You know what I mean?

48:04

You have to at least bring

48:06

them before a committee and ask them

48:10

some questions. I would think. This I don't know. This could be a really

48:12

rough couple of weeks for him. Could be.

48:14

So we'll see how

48:15

that goes. And I just

48:17

wanna let that Put that out

48:20

there. And again, hard right turn.

48:22

Here we go. Scott

48:23

Wheeler is coming on the show. We haven't had

48:25

him on in forever. He's gonna talk about his brand new

48:27

book. Let's bring him on. Ladies

48:28

and gentlemen, bringing on a big

48:31

deal. A man whose

48:32

book could outsell Steve's and

48:34

has far less zoo

48:36

content. Yes.

48:38

Great laugh. To its

48:41

detriment. It's Scott Wheeler of the athletic

48:43

to talk about his newborn

48:46

business. I don't know about out selling Steve,

48:48

but definitely less Zoom content. In

48:50

fact, zero Zoom content. Wow.

48:54

Behind the scenes with the Toronto May beliefs at the draft. Scott,

48:56

what are we in for with this

48:59

book? Oh, it's

49:02

twenty stories that bring you from their very first draft

49:04

to finishing at the pandemic draft.

49:06

So they pitched it originally

49:08

to me as kind of do

49:10

the

49:10

encyclopedia, do every draft class, every player go

49:13

through it that way. And when I went

49:15

back to the publisher, I kinda said

49:17

that's not really what I'd hope to do with this. If

49:19

if I'm gonna do it, I'd really like it to be storytelling. I would like

49:22

it to be here here's

49:24

the sort of moments behind the scenes, here are

49:26

the decision

49:28

that were in part made. Here's the stories of the general managers,

49:30

the scouts, the players, their

49:33

families, their agents, here's how the

49:35

whole draft process works from

49:38

scouting these players to the big

49:40

day to the development process after

49:42

they're picked. So that is what this is. This is

49:44

fifty plus interviews with former

49:46

scouts, general managers, players,

49:48

agents, you

49:50

name it. and piecing

49:52

together sort of twenty story. So there are

49:54

gaps in between. There it'll skip

49:56

five years ahead kind of thing,

49:58

but it it does still start at the very

49:59

beginning with their very first pick of of

50:02

Walt McKechnie and kind of

50:04

finishes with the story of of Ryan

50:06

Turber who was drafted during the pandemic

50:08

draft when he didn't even

50:10

play actual hockey games.

50:12

So two sort

50:13

of polar ends of the spectrum

50:15

there. The seventh rounder, the leaf's just

50:17

had to have a trade with the

50:19

Boston Germans. I remember that.

50:22

You're probably the only one. Yeah.

50:24

Those are remember. No. We need you all. We need you

50:26

all. to remember that.

50:28

There's stuff. Too big.

50:30

His dad

50:31

his dad sent

50:33

leaps videos of him training.

50:35

That that was the scouting process. So I'm wondering

50:37

that if he was going if he was going to

50:39

be picked, it was only by

50:42

the leaps. And so when the

50:44

leap's made their second of two

50:46

seven round selections on

50:48

draft day, they thought it's over. He's not

50:50

getting picked. So that that late trade with

50:52

Boston was was the Satan Grace.

50:54

And it was literally just the leech watching

50:56

him through little videos that

50:58

his clip that his dad, who's a Toronto

51:00

guy, was sending to members of the leech

51:02

front office. Wow. That's

51:03

absolutely fantastic. That is already a must read.

51:05

That's a terrible story. Alrighty. Alrighty.

51:07

I wish my parents were

51:09

that supportive company. Yeah.

51:12

No one was, like, you gotta watch my son's YouTube. Yeah.

51:16

I didn't really get that. It's my dad's,

51:18

like, I don't understand how to turn the

51:20

computer on. Scott,

51:22

so you did a bunch of

51:24

interviews. You can only get them by

51:26

asking, what

51:28

was the to you the most

51:30

surprising one you obtained, the

51:32

just a shot in the dark

51:34

that you were actually able to

51:36

pull off. Maybe

51:37

some of the ones of former staff

51:39

that are just now working for other

51:42

organizations. I knew going into it that

51:44

a lot of the people who were a member of

51:46

beliefs are novation, especially on the executive side,

51:48

have now moved on.

51:50

So John Ferguson Jr. for

51:52

example, he's

51:54

now with Arizona, but was with Boston when I reached

51:56

out to the ruins. And the ruins

51:58

were immediately got back to me and

52:00

said no

52:02

problem. as long as you're not talking to him about decisions made

52:04

in Boston, he can wax the lettic however

52:06

he'd like about the things he did

52:08

and didn't do in Toronto.

52:10

I bet they sent that. Yeah. But they were great with that. And and

52:12

and John was great with that. John and

52:14

I he allowed me to kind of put it

52:16

in his story, but I kind of frame John

52:20

just as one example, as someone who wanted to to sort of

52:22

write the ship, like, you could tell in

52:25

our repeated conversations that

52:28

he was defensive about how he's perceived in Toronto

52:30

and very also proud of his

52:32

draft record. I think if you go back and

52:34

you look burgundy's

52:36

drafts with the leaves. That was one of the things that he

52:38

actually did quite well. You go through some

52:40

of the late round picks in particular.

52:44

Comerav's Rimer, Straumann,

52:46

etcetera, etcetera. They they actually

52:48

Gunderson Gunderson is another one.

52:52

So they actually did quite well. So so things like that

52:54

where I'm asking other organizations to

52:56

give me people specifically to talk

52:59

about the Toronto maple leaves. Those were some

53:01

of the trickier ones. Didn't get

53:04

only got two nos. One of them

53:06

was actually from Tyler Dinks. himself.

53:08

Mhmm. I've included in the in the

53:10

book the text message that

53:12

him and his dad sent to me after I'd reached

53:14

out to them, which

53:16

basically said, Thanks for reaching out. We really appreciate that you want

53:18

to tell this as kind of a human story

53:20

and that you'd like to tell Tyler's

53:22

story, but it is what it

53:24

is. People have made up their minds on him

53:26

and he'd rather not participate.

53:28

So in the in the sort of

53:30

introduction to the book, I've included that text

53:32

message and that became,

53:34

in particular, probably the most difficult

53:36

story to tell because I had to tell I

53:38

absolutely had to tell the story of Tyler Bates.

53:41

and I had to tell it

53:43

through ten other people who who weren't him.

53:45

So and still try to tell it in

53:47

the sort of human way that I as to him

53:49

and his dad that I would. So

53:52

that that piece those two,

53:54

the getting ferdy and then getting

53:56

the rejection from Tyler and having to tell that story differently than I'd to.

53:58

Those were probably the two big ones that were

54:00

tough. What's the best

54:02

part of the book and why is it the

54:04

forward No. The

54:07

the forwards up there. The forwards up

54:09

there, buddy, you did a great job and I am

54:11

I am indebted to you. I I really

54:13

appreciate that they took time. And I know

54:15

you've talked about it on this show, and I I listened to the podcast back a couple of months ago. But

54:17

you were going through a lot when

54:20

you when you made that made

54:22

back time for me, so I appreciate

54:24

that. What do

54:25

you think would surprise people the

54:27

most about draft day situations? Like one of

54:29

the things that blew my mind years

54:31

ago is And this story, I think, is out there now, but there was

54:33

that sort of notorious standoff over Mitch Marner

54:35

with Mark Hunter and

54:38

Mike Babcock. you know, for some

54:40

reason, at that time, I was ignorant

54:42

enough and perhaps young enough to believe, oh,

54:44

everybody just gets along.

54:46

And and, you know, I don't you

54:48

know, those are two very strong personalities and there's gonna be some

54:50

fireworks between them at some point. What

54:52

do you think what do you think people be

54:54

most surprised by when they come away

54:57

with this

54:58

book? Oh,

55:00

how close some of the the calls

55:02

are? I mean, I think the the most shocking

55:04

things in the book will be

55:06

players that they didn't pay players that bands and media had never

55:08

reported on that they passed up

55:10

on hall of famers that it it was between

55:13

a hall of famer and a guy

55:16

who became third minor kind of thing. So I

55:18

think, will will sort of rock people's

55:20

worlds a little bit.

55:22

But even beyond that, just

55:24

how close some of those

55:26

conversations are at the draft table.

55:28

It's it's not like these lists are

55:30

ironclad and they go up there. And

55:32

we all hear them afterwards. Right? We

55:34

hear Brian Burke say that Morgan Reilly was

55:36

number one on their list. And if you go

55:38

down the list, I've got Morgan Reilly with

55:40

the story Waha, and why they picked

55:42

Morgan Riley in the book as well. And it's it's

55:44

not it's not as certain

55:47

as they make it out to be. There is a lot of back

55:49

and forth. There is phone calls to the

55:52

stage with ten seconds left to say,

55:54

this is our guy, and then they're sitting at the

55:56

table saying Holy shit. Did we

55:58

pick the right guys? So it it's it's just hard. It's an

55:59

extremely hard thing and it has

56:02

changed. I

56:04

think that in and of itself

56:06

will come across to people in the book. It has

56:08

changed so much over

56:10

the years. There was a time not that long

56:12

ago when the leaps used three first round

56:14

picks. on three Belleville Bulls. And the reason that they did

56:16

that was because they weren't watching Timusilani

56:18

over in Europe. They weren't watching

56:20

Mike Medano south of the border.

56:23

They were just getting in their cars with a limited

56:25

budget from Harold Ballard, and they were driving

56:27

to Belleville every week with four different

56:30

scouts who were supposed to, if they were to be in

56:32

four different places. and then

56:34

they picked three guys from the same team.

56:36

And that has just changed so much we

56:38

know now with video and these

56:40

huge scouting

56:42

that there's just this this incredible machine

56:44

that goes into drafting these players.

56:46

And that has happened really rapidly

56:48

if you actually look at it

56:50

on a timeline. Right? It's not that long ago that the leaps

56:52

had two or three amateur scouts.

56:54

They were all former players and

56:58

that's how they drafted and selected players. And we know

57:00

that it's obviously a long way from that

57:03

now. I have an intermittent

57:04

twitch in my

57:06

left eye that comes out when I'm

57:09

stressed. And I hadn't had it for a

57:11

while, and it just it came out during that

57:13

answer. So thank you,

57:16

Scott. That was a That's pain. That's -- Yeah. -- agony.

57:18

It's it's not just agony

57:20

though, the book. Right? Like, there's some

57:23

There's some

57:23

good ones also. Oh, there's some

57:25

there's some great ones. William Mainlander,

57:27

Morgan Reilly, you go down the

57:30

list. The the week's draft history

57:32

isn't frankly particularly rosy ones since the inception of the

57:34

draft in the sixties.

57:36

Sure. But there

57:38

there has there are some

57:40

nice stories along the way. And even the ones

57:42

that don't turn out perfectly, the

57:44

I I had a great, great conversation

57:46

with Luke Shen for the book, for example,

57:48

and and sort of walked him through being the guy he was

57:50

told in his very first press conference after

57:52

the draft, what are you going to

57:55

do to write forty five, fifty years of of failure.

57:57

Right? And just just getting into

57:59

this the psyche of of

58:02

that as an eighteen year

58:04

old and But there no.

58:06

There are great ones. I mean, in

58:08

particular, the more recent stuff that the William

58:10

Neander picks up the of the history.

58:12

Right? So There there are some nice stories for

58:14

sure. Amazing. Well, listen,

58:15

Scott, congratulations on the book. We know

58:18

it was a ton of

58:20

work. We we know from sitting

58:22

next to Steve through his book writing process

58:24

that it can it's a

58:26

it's a long arduous

58:28

process. We're really looking forward to to

58:30

reading in an obvious so you can check out Scott's work in the athletic as well

58:32

because you're doing the prospect stuff all the time

58:34

on top of writing a book and, you

58:36

know, couple of

58:38

kids too. It's just

58:40

there's a lot of boring life. Yeah.

58:42

Believe it or not. About

58:44

a month to my deadline for

58:46

the manuscript, our house flooded as well. So

58:48

I'm glad to hear it going for us. As,

58:51

of course, is tradition. Of course. Of course.

58:53

Well, listen. October

58:56

fourth, You can check it out behind the scenes

58:58

with the Tronomy beliefs at the NHL draft. If you need links to it,

59:00

check out Scott c Wheeler

59:02

on Twitter right now He's

59:05

got chapters Barnes and Noble in the States

59:07

and Amazon links for you, so you can

59:09

either preorder or order the day

59:11

of. Scott, congratulations. Best of luck with

59:13

the book, and it's great to have you on

59:16

again. Cheers, guys. It's

59:16

been it's been a while. You've got a

59:18

nice new studio since the last time I joined

59:20

you too. We're not in Steve's basement

59:23

now. Now it's mine. Thanks,

59:28

buddy. Yeah.

59:28

Thanks, guys. It's the last week

59:30

of September, and we are squarely into

59:33

fresh ball fall. Mhmm. And I just wanna know how you guys

59:35

are doing down in that.

59:38

Are you

59:39

clean? Fresh fresh bottom

59:42

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59:43

There's one time. Listen.

59:45

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59:47

it. It's the body trimmer and weed wacker nose

59:49

and the air haired trimmer that that all comes together in this

59:51

in this package that you would get. They

59:54

have the advanced skin safe

59:56

technology. It will

59:58

protect you and your delicate parts against, you know, nibs and that

1:00:00

sort

1:00:00

of thing. Mhmm. So you can do fresh

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fresh ball fall then

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Oh. Can Adam Wild

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apologize for ranking coaches

1:03:04

hotness segment? ten minutes I'll

1:03:06

never have back. I will

1:03:07

not apologize. I

1:03:10

will not apologize because -- A lot

1:03:12

of people hated last night. -- David Quinn

1:03:14

commented on it and so did Bruce

1:03:16

Boudreaux. And so did

1:03:17

I wanna say j woodcraft and

1:03:19

so did everyone's been asked

1:03:21

about it. I told you it was

1:03:23

a story and it was. k?

1:03:26

Also, I love David Quinn's response. Who

1:03:28

is a parent of the ring twenty ninth?

1:03:30

Yeah. He's gorgeous. Shen

1:03:33

Shenpeng who covers this San Jose Shark. It

1:03:35

such great job. You gotta follow

1:03:38

him. He says he he said how do you feel about

1:03:40

being ranked the twenty ninth, most handsome as coach

1:03:42

in the

1:03:44

NHL? And he's like, oh, that means I'm not It's what coaching does to

1:03:46

it does to you. Look at me. And then he said on Derek

1:03:48

Mulan, who's number three. He's like, I know Derek

1:03:52

Mulan. He ain't number three. There's a three there, but there's

1:03:54

also a number after it. Please quote

1:03:56

me. Wow.

1:03:58

This is exactly

1:03:59

I said this is like the South Park episode.

1:04:02

It is. It is. He's butters. I'm

1:04:04

number eleven.

1:04:06

Yay. That's Exactly him.

1:04:08

Hundred percent. It's great.

1:04:10

Apologize. Apologize. Also,

1:04:12

Zach Barbara. She is

1:04:16

it. Start it. Alright. This question

1:04:18

is from Bernie Wong, BM2

1:04:21

Wong on Twitter. Bernie

1:04:24

wants to know. If you caught Aaron

1:04:26

Judge's home run ball, what would you do with

1:04:28

it? Sell it? Keep it. Give it

1:04:30

back. I would so For context --

1:04:32

Yeah. -- for context, Aaron Judge, in

1:04:34

baseball, hit the sixty

1:04:36

first home run of the season for himself,

1:04:38

which ties the American league record

1:04:40

set by Roger Meredith way back when. So it happened at Roger

1:04:43

Center and the ball went into the

1:04:45

bullpen, but a guy right above the bullpen

1:04:47

had his glove right there

1:04:50

and almost it and they're suspected that the bulk itself for a couple million

1:04:52

dollars if they had caught it. I see. What would you

1:04:54

do? I think what

1:04:54

I would do is fumble

1:04:58

the catch and set Italian people back a

1:05:00

century. You mean by being the guy

1:05:02

named Frankie Lozania

1:05:04

who drops the ball. That's

1:05:06

his freaking name. Did you know that? Franky Lozania.

1:05:08

His name is Franky Lozania.

1:05:10

Now there's some confusion. I don't

1:05:12

know. because there were two people. There was the

1:05:14

guy who It's, like,

1:05:16

on camera, like Yeah. There's basically a blue

1:05:18

Jay's jersey. I think it was in a Danny Jansen

1:05:20

jersey. How do we want? And that's

1:05:22

a fan. you got a Danny

1:05:24

Janssen or is it you're a fan? Yeah. There

1:05:26

was a guy

1:05:27

who was very upset about it who I think

1:05:30

was named Frankie Lozania. And then there was

1:05:32

another guy who missed it and

1:05:34

instinctively threw

1:05:34

his glove. That's

1:05:36

the guy I'm talking about. That's

1:05:38

the main guy. He is stranger,

1:05:41

I assume, and maybe. Or

1:05:44

Ed. That's

1:05:48

Oh my god. Oh, Jay's fans.

1:05:50

And then Jordan Romero was the

1:05:52

the guy who ended up with the ball for Romano.

1:05:54

What did I say? Romano.

1:05:55

Romano. Oh, yeah.

1:05:58

Romano. Sorry. Pison Ricky. Pison, Jim

1:05:59

excuse? I

1:06:01

thought I wanna I

1:06:03

do wanna ask the question. Jesse

1:06:06

being the person who is the most

1:06:08

educated with baseball, I'm gonna start with

1:06:11

you. Oh,

1:06:11

okay. Bonds Maguire

1:06:15

sosa Sosa. And there was

1:06:16

for a while there in that that one

1:06:19

magical summer it was Maguire Sosa and Ken

1:06:21

Griffin junior was in the race

1:06:23

too. k? But he didn't he kinda tailed off at

1:06:25

the end because he didn't take steroids,

1:06:28

allegedly. Kenny Kenny Ken Griffin Junior did

1:06:30

not actually take steroids, the other

1:06:32

two, allegedly. No.

1:06:33

It was it was tainted

1:06:36

meat. Yes. So That always

1:06:38

is. So what

1:06:39

are your thoughts on those

1:06:41

records as they stand? Are they records at all? Or

1:06:44

do as soon

1:06:46

as you know, according to

1:06:48

Roger Myers junior -- Mhmm. --

1:06:50

once Erin Judge hits this next home

1:06:52

run, if he does it, he is the record holder.

1:06:54

Seventy three is the record. like,

1:06:57

don't let Rogers Maris get in the way of of the truth of

1:06:59

the matter. Seventy three that Barry bonds it

1:07:01

in a single season is the record. All

1:07:03

those records should stand. It

1:07:05

it reminds me of the Olympics

1:07:08

way back when with Ben Johnson when

1:07:10

everybody in that race was on

1:07:12

steroids. Everybody at the time in baseball

1:07:14

was cheating. It was it was the

1:07:16

game of the I mean, you're taking away

1:07:18

berrybonds being a good hitter.

1:07:20

Steroids doesn't improve your hand eye

1:07:22

coordination and your ability to hit

1:07:24

the ball. It it improves every eye. It it improved everything about

1:07:26

his baseball ability. For sure, it

1:07:28

made him from this stolen

1:07:30

base guy.

1:07:32

to a home run hitter. Like, it turned him into that clip. Very clearly.

1:07:34

He was the king of the least mobile

1:07:36

era in baseball. Yeah. Honestly,

1:07:39

all of them are two hundred and fifty pounds. Oh, he's like

1:07:42

professional wrestling. He transformed his body,

1:07:44

but, like, it also

1:07:46

wasn't illegal. Yes. What

1:07:48

time? It wasn't well, there was no

1:07:50

There was no timing in the rules

1:07:53

against that. So

1:07:54

I don't know how you strip the record

1:07:56

because If we're editing records, we're going back and taking away everything. We're

1:07:58

putting it in context. It's important to look at

1:08:00

it in context, but the record is

1:08:04

seventy three because that is what is the record. That's what he got But

1:08:06

know the context, know the history or sport,

1:08:08

know that he did it while on steroids.

1:08:11

as a baseball fan and as someone who played

1:08:14

a level of baseball higher than the vast majority of

1:08:16

people, what

1:08:18

what is You

1:08:19

guys overwrite that so hard. Well, you played triple a, man. I played

1:08:21

more than you. I got him and I. There you go.

1:08:23

For play t ball. We go up to most

1:08:25

people on the street. You played higher level of

1:08:28

baseball than go ahead.

1:08:30

What is more on

1:08:33

the

1:08:35

side of cheating? taking steroids

1:08:37

or sticky stuff? It's a

1:08:39

good question. I don't know. I

1:08:41

think

1:08:41

it's all cheating. I

1:08:42

think it's all in the interest

1:08:45

As steroids also, it wasn't it wasn't in the book. Yeah. Those stickers that

1:08:47

you it couldn't do sticky stuff. That was in the rulebook. That's that's

1:08:49

so I guess that's more blatant cheating if

1:08:52

we're ranking cheating.

1:08:55

One thing is a rule that you broke and the other

1:08:57

one wasn't a rule, but it was code

1:08:59

and you shouldn't have

1:09:01

done it. you know, it it was it was

1:09:03

a rule but not tested for. Okay. Yeah. For

1:09:06

for

1:09:06

people who don't know what I'm talking about,

1:09:09

we're talking about sticky stuff that pictures

1:09:11

were basically unhittable for a while -- Yeah. -- because they

1:09:13

were using extra sticky stuff to throw these ridiculous

1:09:15

pitches -- baseball. --

1:09:18

a weird sport in that cheating is a part of its if if it's

1:09:20

history, pined r on bats, the

1:09:22

sticky stuff, using it to get

1:09:25

a little bit more on the baseball It's a spitball.

1:09:27

And spitball has its name. Shula's Joe Voice?

1:09:30

They threw a world series. They threw

1:09:32

out the Chicago White

1:09:34

Sox in nineteen -- Seventeen.

1:09:37

It's seven Yeah. It was seven nineteen

1:09:39

seventeen world series. They they literally have it out of the record but

1:09:42

they because they chain it. The guy who trained Lucky Luciano and Lucky

1:09:44

Luciano was

1:09:47

the guy who created the mob as we

1:09:49

know it today. Arnold

1:09:51

Rothstein bought off the

1:09:53

White Sox. He bought

1:09:55

the World Series. Wow. He was such a

1:09:57

prodigious gambler that yeah. The the story goes that they

1:10:00

they threw

1:10:00

the series. Mhmm. They

1:10:02

rigged the world's series. Yes. And

1:10:05

two hundred or two hundred. One hundred years

1:10:07

later, that tradition continued with the use of Astros, where they were

1:10:11

using garbage can to tip garbage cans to tip pitches. Like baseball has this

1:10:13

long history of cheating, and it's fascinating

1:10:15

for just interested in sports. It's awful

1:10:17

if you're interested in the credibility

1:10:19

of the sport. but

1:10:21

it's important to know all of these rules and records in context because there is a long history of

1:10:23

cheating. And you know, I I wanna I

1:10:25

do wanna throw this out there. The

1:10:28

last year, Well,

1:10:31

the two of the last three years, Barry Bonds was in Pittsburgh.

1:10:33

So this is pre steroid era. Ninety

1:10:36

I believe it's

1:10:38

nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety two. he was an MVP winner.

1:10:40

Like, he hit, he didn't need it. He

1:10:42

didn't he didn't need it. He hit thirty four

1:10:44

home runs and had

1:10:46

a hundred and three RBIs

1:10:48

and I'm just looking at trying to find

1:10:51

a stolen basis. But, like, you're talking a guy a guy with thirty six, thirty seven

1:10:53

doubles in

1:10:56

a season. Like, he's

1:10:56

a he's a he's crazy numbers. I just III wanna

1:10:58

get your thought on that, Jesse, because I'm of two minds. I haven't made up my

1:11:01

mind yet. I'm still, like, yeah,

1:11:03

they were taking steroids. and

1:11:06

that does certainly helps with things. But at the same time, even I can remember that

1:11:08

summer watching that home run race

1:11:10

every day I wake up and

1:11:14

it was so cool and you wake up and you watch TSN or you

1:11:17

put on the score or whatever and you're like watching

1:11:19

it and I watch those replays over

1:11:21

and over and over again. And

1:11:22

I just remember thinking, like, we I

1:11:25

knew at that time that all those players

1:11:27

run steroids. That was

1:11:28

open. I knew And

1:11:30

I was, like, ten or eleven. People were openly talking

1:11:32

about. I thought, no. I still believed in

1:11:34

superheroes. Yeah. No. No. I well,

1:11:36

sports radio would openly talk about it back

1:11:38

then. Oh,

1:11:39

I was too consumed with, like, the

1:11:41

stone cold Steve Austin

1:11:42

era of In steroids.

1:11:45

It's because, like,

1:11:48

right all this hype around the Aaron Judge

1:11:50

is is spectacular and it's great. But imagine it's Aaron Judge and then

1:11:54

two more guys. That's what we have back then. That was crazy.

1:11:56

Crazy. So it's it's this times three,

1:11:58

and it it was so much

1:11:59

fun. Yeah. I did I believe too.

1:12:02

Like, I didn't know they're on steroids until

1:12:04

they're like, five years later.

1:12:06

I loved I I remember baked into the highlights would

1:12:11

be Sammy Sosa hit a home

1:12:13

run tonight or two home runs tonight to catch up to

1:12:15

Mark Maguire. Then an hour

1:12:18

later, Mark Maguire did this.

1:12:22

and they would show him, like, recently, the lead

1:12:24

and all of his awesome. Sammy Sosa who

1:12:26

once got caught with a cork bat. Oh,

1:12:28

yeah. Yeah. That broke up. There

1:12:31

was a cork in it. Right. Also achieved. I learned

1:12:33

what a quirk that was at that point. I didn't know what that was. I didn't

1:12:35

I I was like, how does that give you an advantage? I don't

1:12:37

understand. I still don't fully understand. What if it

1:12:39

hits the ball harder? further.

1:12:42

Further. You know, it's like a like a Some models. It's like a spring. Oh, the model is it. Yeah.

1:12:44

I have a

1:12:47

little interesting. Yeah. Sure. It's

1:12:50

illegal. That's the point is you can't do that and you did it. Right? Right. Yeah. Well, anyway, it's a

1:12:52

it's a fascinating discussion. What would you

1:12:54

what would you do with the ball?

1:12:59

if you had caught fifty one from Aaron Judge. I mean, I think,

1:13:01

you know, obviously, you wanna sell

1:13:03

it,

1:13:03

but you're

1:13:06

not selling it. You know you're not gonna

1:13:07

sell it. You're gonna you're gonna give it to you're gonna give

1:13:09

it to I mean, it's sixty you're giving

1:13:11

it to you're

1:13:14

giving it to Aaron Judge. Right. I'm

1:13:15

just gonna You can handle the ball, Aaron. I've been a you're

1:13:17

gonna handle a million dollars. That's not a

1:13:19

million dollars first stop. I don't I

1:13:22

I'm still not totally sure it's a million

1:13:24

dollars. Second, they were always gonna

1:13:26

get that ball. The re the yankees were always gonna get that ball. Oh, maybe you try

1:13:28

to

1:13:28

strike a deal with the yankees

1:13:31

and be like, give me there's

1:13:34

gotta

1:13:34

be some sort of financial compensation if you're a

1:13:36

Yankee fan, maybe you get

1:13:38

season tickets for life or something. But, like,

1:13:41

I'm telling you, They

1:13:42

were gonna get that ball. They were

1:13:44

they were gonna get that ball. I

1:13:46

was I I was daydreaming in the

1:13:48

car on the way here, and I

1:13:51

was actually thinking about this. It's I I

1:13:53

don't want to play this card, but I think it'd

1:13:55

be different for us because people would see

1:13:57

us catch the ball on TV

1:13:59

and they'd

1:13:59

be like, That's

1:14:01

Steve.

1:14:04

So

1:14:04

I think

1:14:08

if I if I caught a two

1:14:10

million dollar ball, people might have something to say about it. Spend it on this, you cheap

1:14:12

prick.

1:14:14

You're way. You're

1:14:16

way faster. Get a camera

1:14:18

stand. Yeah. Get some light,

1:14:21

you piece of shit.

1:14:23

Like Yeah. But I

1:14:26

but I would is it

1:14:28

ethical to say

1:14:31

to the Yankee's

1:14:35

I'll give you the ball. No problem. However, I

1:14:37

would like

1:14:38

you to do

1:14:40

right by

1:14:42

me by

1:14:42

making some sort of a donation

1:14:44

to South America. take care of

1:14:47

it. Let me tell you short

1:14:49

answer on that one. Yes.

1:14:51

That's ethical. Because here's the thing. You have

1:14:53

something that they want. Yeah. The yankees are used to having something that you want, which is tickets

1:14:55

to a yankee's

1:14:59

game. Yes. Right? and tickets to a Yankee's

1:15:01

game. I'm not sure if you've seen lately. There's been a big outcry in New York. They're almost

1:15:03

unaffordable now. Lee fans can relate. But the thing is,

1:15:06

at a baseball game, there's fifty thousand

1:15:08

people. not

1:15:10

twenty. Right. And so they the

1:15:12

the the the I think they would they

1:15:14

they did a whole thing on this like four

1:15:16

years ago. when they introduced, like, a new there's,

1:15:19

like, you know, there's always, like, the first class seats. Right? There's always a but then they like, they it

1:15:22

was, like, an upper Echelon

1:15:25

where you were paying like sixteen thousand

1:15:27

dollars a game and like or something like it was so ridiculous thing that they

1:15:32

have. whole It was so arrogant. And, again, I'm

1:15:34

paraphrasing because I've been a long time since I read that article and you know how terrible my memory is.

1:15:38

But Why you suck at history? of that

1:15:40

I think, yes, you

1:15:42

absolutely hit

1:15:43

up the yankees for that.

1:15:45

But I'm telling you, you're not

1:15:47

leaving the ballpark. Last night, with

1:15:49

that ball, the Yankee's are going to get it from you any way they possibly can. Sure you'd make

1:15:51

some money. Maybe you get some free

1:15:54

stuff, maybe get to meet Aaron

1:15:56

Judge. meet

1:15:58

his mom who looked adorable. She was so sweet. They're

1:16:00

cheering him up. Oh. And Roger Meredith's junior gave

1:16:02

him up. It gave her a hug. It was

1:16:04

so sweet. It was lovely. They were all at the

1:16:06

game. They were at the game. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, very cool. Yes. Because the yankees charge of thousands of

1:16:08

dollars per seat per game, they

1:16:10

can afford to fly him in.

1:16:13

But but I think yeah. You say to the organization, listen. Normally, this is flipped

1:16:16

around, so this is new for you. But

1:16:18

you're going to have to do right by

1:16:20

me.

1:16:21

that you're going to have to do right by me