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I'll take that next network production EBS

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sports brings you a cheeky Brit

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and an American YouTube racing simsation

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Weekly on the LVK more

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than moto podcast. Here's your

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hosts Lewis Phillips and Kellen

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Brower. Oh Yeah,

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ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to

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the EBS sports LVK more than

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moto podcast I'm Kevin Brower

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from moto online comm Lewis Phillips from vital MX

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joining me in the studio again today He almost

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wanted to do this one remote. It's been

0:38

a little bit busy this week as have I

0:40

but requested to do it I know you don't

0:43

like me anymore or what what's going on? My

0:45

setup was already I could have just knocked this

0:47

out Could have knocked it out, but it's

0:49

better when we're in studio. I think because it's actual can

0:52

like conversation Yeah, that

0:54

intro was weird. Why? Oh Yeah,

0:57

you know why I do that though Why because

1:00

I said yeah to start the show every time

1:02

and someone in the comments last week said I

1:04

can't do that because it's We just think we

1:06

get don't do oh Okay, so we'll

1:08

have to change it up next week I

1:10

don't know what I say not to not to get

1:12

into business with Lewis ridiculously early stop

1:15

it but I read

1:18

a book about Podcasting and

1:20

marketing and just like the whole shebang. Mm-hmm.

1:22

What you're meant to do is you're not meant

1:24

to start with hello welcome Yeah,

1:28

or any of that you're meant to start with

1:30

like statements statements. Yeah, so like now I try

1:32

to start podcasts with like Coffee

1:36

for example without like a subject but

1:38

what I mean Well, we are on

1:40

the Steve Mathis podcast network and Steve

1:43

starts pretty much all of his

1:45

podcast by saying Yeah, too. So I don't follow and

1:47

you'll never So

1:49

we're starting with statements next week episode 12 I

1:53

read this book kellins. I do that. Okay, so you're gonna

1:55

start the show next week No, just because you didn't read

1:57

the book. So you're not qualified to do that. I

1:59

didn't I did not read this book to make

2:01

you a better podcaster. Alright, whatever Lewis. Um, how

2:03

are you? We, I finally saw you again this

2:05

weekend. We both were in Seattle. What do you

2:08

mean you finally saw me again? Well, it had

2:10

been a while. It was Wednesday. Oh,

2:12

I guess we did the show right before. Yeah, I forgot

2:14

about that. But you were in Florida and we didn't go

2:16

to races together. I don't know. It's

2:19

been a minute. Yeah, you, um, you're on a very part

2:21

time schedule, aren't you? Part time. Yeah. Very

2:24

part time. Yeah, I've done, I've done them all so far.

2:27

Yeah, you have. I was tempted to go to

2:29

a GP and miss a Supercross, but it's a

2:31

big deal for me that I want to do

2:34

all 17. I don't know why. O.C.Z.

2:37

maybe? I don't know. But I

2:39

really do not want to miss, like I have to do

2:41

all 17 to like mentally check a box in my head.

2:43

Okay, and then you'll do like what? Five outdoors to

2:46

compromise? I'm missing, I'm missing high

2:48

point. Missing high point? For

2:50

Majora. Probably gonna miss high points who would be

2:52

my guess? That's for Majora. A bunch of us

2:54

aren't going to high point. Yeah, because Steve's

2:56

coming to Majora with me. But

2:59

yeah, it was good to see you again and be

3:01

back in the press box together and have the usual

3:03

banter. I was pleasure to see you. Pleasured.

3:06

Here we go with that again. Alright, so if

3:09

you're new to this show, you haven't been with us

3:11

before. We are going to go over six topics today.

3:13

Two of them are non-modal, which is what the more

3:16

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3:18

that one will be kind of sprinkled throughout. You'll hear

3:20

that. And new thing we're trying this week

3:22

is in the past, I would just have like a buzzer

3:24

on my phone that ended our time because we try to

3:26

keep it to seven minute time constraints. But this week, I'm

3:29

gonna have a timer so I will know how much time

3:31

we have left on a topic or whatever. And I don't

3:33

know, maybe you can see the screen too. I can see

3:36

it very clearly. Okay, very good. So we'll know when the

3:38

time is up, but we're not gonna have a noise play.

3:40

I think it'll be better. Yeah, I feel like we

3:43

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3:45

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sex and topic coming up hip here. In

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just a moment let's jump into our first

5:07

topic of the day, I'd Cooper were just

5:09

the win over the weekend and it was

5:11

a. Really? Really good race between

5:13

he and say sex and mix with mistakes

5:15

caused by the racetrack and a cooper got

5:17

the leads he's got a back to stall

5:19

it was so up and down and you

5:21

know mistakes. appointee for kind of really both

5:23

of whom I think what may be as

5:26

he put a made the lease mistakes on

5:28

the nights on but. What? We

5:30

want to talk about in in this one particularly

5:32

is. Depending. On who won

5:34

that race Cooper does win but if say

5:36

said one or cooper who do you think

5:38

danes more by winning that race because Cooper

5:41

gains onset in the points but chases been

5:43

in a kind of a rough whole with

5:45

trying to figure things out with his bike

5:47

so when could have been huge from to

5:50

well let me ah completely blow your question

5:52

out of the water and tell you that

5:54

I believe taste gained more. From.

5:56

His second place. Auto.

5:58

Update on a whim. Explain. How.

6:01

Was that not obvious? Well. I

6:03

did a six minute interview with him after the

6:05

race. The Er alum was awesome while Lewis's you

6:07

Know we always discuss how long your interviews are

6:09

and I walk up the T the soon as

6:12

you're done and he says. Yes, Can

6:14

you make it quick? I'm trying to catch a

6:16

flight. It wasn't my. Fault. Of

6:18

doesn't see. So I talked about mx Cpt

6:21

entities that opens us up of. I.

6:24

Feel like. It

6:26

was quite obvious talking to Chase after the

6:28

race, but. The. Result didn't really matter,

6:30

he just felt like himself to a

6:32

degree and bucks what's be missing? I'm

6:35

I feel like that's what's been eating

6:37

away at him last fall this year.

6:39

Just for facts, but. He.

6:41

Knows where he doesn't feel. Like.

6:43

Taste Sexton. I'm and I feel

6:45

like we didn't really see to six and in

6:47

the miss part of. The. Season

6:50

So far it was more. Birmingham.

6:53

For some reason for sticks out in my mind birmingham.

6:56

There. Was a little pocket at the end of along with

6:58

him. While. He was just doing. Beautifully.

7:01

And it was. So it's a sextant on

7:03

a set him off as as I I

7:05

saw tanks are able to bath and an

7:07

indie ah there were those two laps at

7:09

the end of the second main event. Where.

7:12

Again, I was like vax tanks. And

7:14

in so yeah so it was. Even if

7:16

the get it was like bad taste like

7:18

would be as an upward as a trend

7:20

of light say sex and coming out more

7:22

more more and I feel like he finally

7:24

realized by in seattle so the result didn't

7:26

really matter. He could have crashed on the

7:29

last lap of finished for for ten may

7:31

would have been pissed yeah but I feel

7:33

like in his in himself buses. Yes,

7:36

I do agree that post race he was much

7:38

happier than he's been in the past few weeks

7:40

and like you said said, I just was. Feeling.

7:43

Like myself again which is good

7:45

but I think why I would

7:47

maybe pig taste is it mattering

7:49

more to have won that race

7:51

is because with the struggles that

7:53

he's had he i think needed

7:55

a when mentally. To. You

7:58

know, kind of get back into a framework of like. Okay,

8:00

this bike and my you know own

8:02

abilities ten gl well together for an

8:04

entire main event. To leave that race,

8:07

as long as he did and lose

8:09

is going to be a mental zip

8:11

that he's gonna hold on to for

8:13

a long time now. Yes, that's exactly

8:16

what I thought. And said

8:18

to him before interviewed him. And

8:21

when. He. Basically. Told

8:23

my my thinking around I buy were not

8:26

so that when I guess in a happy

8:28

are offering hello it's so you obviously not

8:30

happy and is a nonstarter was I woke

8:32

up but I thought you'd be pissed at

8:34

you like came so close to winning and

8:36

you didn't allow he went into the light

8:38

notice good like okay I'm happy so I

8:40

completely agree with you one hundred percent. I

8:42

felt like he would be like. For.

8:45

Whatever reason is not working out of a

8:47

some good lot of some close by. Still

8:50

wasn't a win, but it seems like no

8:52

I don't feel as the case but. I'm.

8:56

I will say that I would guess what it

8:58

eats away at him, but he's had one when

9:00

across eleven rounds. Because.

9:03

He say six of me could have won. Ten.

9:05

Of the eleven rounds, he's that good. Yeah,

9:08

I'm sort of imagine for in his head

9:10

he's i as quality about when tally up.

9:12

Up. I believe of what happened

9:14

in Seattle. Was. Evidence

9:17

but that is coming so he can take

9:19

comfort from that sir. But again like you

9:21

said, I think he's like okay I one

9:23

San Francisco but almost everyone looks at that

9:25

is like a loss because it was a

9:27

there's the was the most mud rates and

9:29

we had this year. like I'm sure in

9:31

his mind he's even thinking that a little

9:33

bit as much as some people probably and

9:35

we're saying that so he wants to win

9:37

like a normal race and nothing Seattle was

9:39

normal. But when you leave out long and

9:42

you have the ability to win and don't

9:44

and and take a vote on I think

9:46

that's what's frustrating. To him I. Do.

9:48

think though as he said the rear brake

9:50

was bent out after he landed on the

9:53

top lock in the rhythm section they halfway

9:55

through the main event which caused his second

9:57

stall in the right is a click the

9:59

run up why he saw the bike. Do

10:01

you think that in his own mind he's like,

10:03

I have a reason I lost, like otherwise I

10:05

would have stopped that race no problem. Yeah I

10:08

believe he can tell himself he was the best

10:10

guy. Yeah. And honestly I

10:12

believe that he was because

10:16

okay maybe Jett was the fastest guy but

10:18

Jett wasn't the best guy because he made

10:20

so many mistakes. Yeah

10:23

save for a couple of mistakes I feel like

10:25

Chase can walk away from there and go okay

10:27

I'm the man again. Yeah. And I'm interested

10:29

to see how that conveys to St. Louis because Jett

10:31

will want to prove a point. Cooper

10:34

will want to kind of build on

10:37

Seattle as will Chase so I feel like all of

10:39

those riders are coming in like I'm

10:41

gonna prove a point this weekend. Right. Getting on

10:44

the topic of Cooper so he obviously gains five points on

10:46

Jett it goes from 21 down to 16 and

10:48

I think before Seattle there was kind of the

10:50

sense that this championship has gotten out of hand

10:53

in a hurry to the favor of Jett right

10:55

like he's almost a full race distance up that

10:57

now pulls it to not half

10:59

race distance but it's much closer to that to the point

11:01

where a Jett has a really

11:03

weird round a big mistake a crash

11:05

something like that suddenly Cooper's right back

11:07

in this. Do you think that because

11:09

that gap is just five closer it

11:12

totally changes the complexion of this title

11:14

because of it? No I don't

11:16

I still view it exactly the same

11:18

way but if the

11:21

gap shrinks again in St. Louis then

11:23

I'm open to having that conversation. Okay.

11:26

But right now I'm like there was one

11:28

weekend Jett could quite easily just bump

11:30

that back up this weekend couldn't me. Yeah. That's

11:33

the reality. Whereas if the Jett mistake

11:35

trend carries over to another week

11:38

then yeah okay you can start to ponder

11:40

I think. Getting back on the topic of

11:42

confidence though or how big this win was

11:44

for each riders confidence with Webb you

11:48

know Indy wasn't necessarily his fault with the Cade

11:50

situation but none of the three main events ended

11:52

up being or three races ended up being as

11:54

good as he would have ideally liked them to

11:56

be so getting back on

11:58

track and winning in Seattle. for

12:00

him has to be massive for his own mental

12:03

stability with that, right? Yeah, and also, but it's

12:05

weird that we've got a triple crown so soon

12:07

after the most recent one. So seeing as Indy

12:09

didn't go well for Cooper, is he gonna go

12:11

into St. Louis and be like, I

12:14

hope this one goes better? He won the first triple crown

12:16

of the year though. That's true. So I don't

12:19

think Cooper ever lacks self-confidence, but I

12:21

think for him just being pissed off

12:23

from how Indy went, this

12:25

was like, yeah, that's Cooper Webb right

12:27

there. That's what I am. I can do that

12:30

every week. Yeah, but I don't believe that... I

12:33

don't believe that, um... I

12:35

don't believe that Seattle was a result of him

12:37

being pissed off because of Indy. Not at all.

12:39

I think that that sound just made a noise when

12:42

we tested it, it did not make a noise, so

12:44

I apologize that it's gonna... I didn't. I heard like

12:46

a very faint like... I think it was in my

12:48

headphones doing that. That's fine. Yeah,

12:50

I'll try to make sure that doesn't happen again.

12:52

No, it's fine, just have a noise. Oh, okay, well people were sick of

12:54

a noise last week because it was coming through the phone. Yeah, but it's

12:56

because it was your phone and it wasn't connected, so it was a faint

12:59

like... You couldn't really decipher what

13:01

it was. Yeah. If it's an actual buzzer,

13:04

then it's obvious. Fair enough. Business

13:06

with Lewis. Business with Lewis. So

13:09

we think that both of them kind

13:11

of came out with a win on

13:13

the confidence department. He wins

13:15

the Triple Crown. Okay. Even

13:17

though Jett swept the last Triple Crown and...

13:20

I mean, dude, at one point in the main

13:22

event, it's Seattle we're like, Oh

13:24

boy. Chase wins this weekend. Okay, Chase wins this

13:27

weekend. Just because Midwest,

13:29

close to home. No, because I

13:31

believe that now in hindsight, we were all

13:34

ignoring just how bad his starts

13:36

were. And if those are fixed,

13:38

which I do believe they are,

13:40

Triple Crown format starts important, confidence

13:42

from Seattle. I believe that Chase

13:45

comes out swinging this weekend. If

13:47

they, let's say in indie, Jett

13:49

and Kenny started more or less one to each

13:51

of the three main events. Kenny passed Jett early,

13:54

sometimes Jett started right in front of them. And

13:56

all three of them, Jett had the upper hand

13:59

in one. And yet

14:01

do that in Indy. Does.

14:03

Taste when. It's

14:06

a Suitcases Jets biggest competitor. Okay,

14:09

bustle of for the title. yeah bus

14:11

my songs wow a fault was shred

14:13

over Cooper were blown auto their whatever.

14:16

but the points difference between Cooper and

14:18

faces? basically insignificant. I thought it's like

14:20

a point to some noise. Is.

14:22

A five I might be a utterly yeah

14:25

I think say system when twenty four back.

14:27

As a. Lot. Of these wonderful. As

14:31

you know must be something he was. Don't.

14:34

Think it's twenty four the not a map on.

14:37

My. His business partner a higher. We

14:39

go back on that again. I'm okay.

14:41

So they both they both one. In.

14:44

A conference apartment was a stigmatize. One

14:46

more okay take one more a secular

14:48

components or it on other topic number

14:50

two and done. Yeah.

14:52

It out we'd be debated you I

14:54

tell Mack in two previous episodes as

14:57

year already we're going to get back

14:59

onto the you I to make topic

15:01

again this weekend but it's a different

15:03

approach because. Now. We're at

15:05

the point where we don't know is this is

15:07

the swan song or not because he won't say

15:10

it. And so they were down to potentially the

15:12

last six races of the Light O Max career

15:14

or not at the Bet right now. All.

15:17

These the last six races have a lot

15:19

sir Max career. I

15:22

put money down on both both odds, but

15:24

I prefer more money on yes, it's the

15:26

last six of his career. I'm. A

15:29

way so ah. He. Lied

15:31

to make as I had a podium

15:34

scenes Daytona and it hasn't looked particularly

15:36

great since Daytona either. In some departments

15:38

the he races have been good. yeah

15:41

ah but the main events haven't been

15:43

good and really in Seattle was the

15:45

start was not good. I mean almost

15:47

dead last in the first turn. Ah

15:50

so does he like tarmac? Would.

15:52

be debated as the light on like winner is this

15:54

your does the item i get on the podium for

15:56

the rest of the year or not when you left

15:58

out the key reasoning behind this letting you explain that.

16:00

Oh because you're letting me take credit for my research.

16:03

Yes. Oh what a correct business

16:05

move of you. So

16:07

Tomak is currently sat on 99 podiums

16:11

in the 450 FX class so the next

16:13

one is the big one, the big 100.

16:15

So yeah the question

16:17

is does he get 100 before the

16:19

end of this year and obviously it

16:22

is asinine to sit here and

16:24

say that Eli Tomak cannot have a podium

16:26

across the next six races. He

16:29

probably most likely almost definitely

16:31

will but the

16:33

reason that I raised this is

16:36

I do believe there is some

16:38

cause for concern because in reality

16:41

he has not even sniffed the

16:43

podium since Daytona. So

16:46

I believe it is a valid

16:49

point of discussion. That's all it

16:51

is a point of discussion. It's no

16:53

hate comms. It's no it's

16:56

no anti-Tomak speech. It's just a

16:58

discussion, just a discussion Kellan. Okay

17:01

I'll go one step further

17:03

in this discussion discussion though

17:05

and say that not only do

17:07

I think Tomak still gets a podium before the season's

17:09

done and gets 100, I

17:12

still think he wins a race. Personally speaking

17:14

I know that that's probably a bit out there

17:16

given what's happened the past few weeks but

17:19

I still am seeing the signs. Heat

17:22

races, qualifying went really good this weekend

17:24

for him. Like the speed is there

17:27

and start aside like if he starts with

17:29

those guys I think in Seattle he stays

17:32

with them. He spent so much energy going

17:34

from 19th to 6th in that race. By the time he

17:36

was on Kenny you could tell he was like okay

17:40

that's a lot and I'm 31 years old

17:42

now or whatever so like I just

17:44

think that we are

17:46

putting a little bit too much emphasis on recency

17:49

bias which is what we've done in this discussion

17:51

before. I think it's going to take

17:53

one good start and he's back. Yeah

17:56

but I'm concerned about the starts

17:58

because yeah they see there has to be. to

18:00

be some other factor at

18:03

play here, mentality, confidence, because

18:05

Eli Tomak was

18:08

the best starter that he has ever

18:10

been last year and

18:12

now all of a sudden he's not even

18:14

starting in the top 10 and you

18:17

want to sit here and tell me that that's just because,

18:19

oh he got a bad start. I'm

18:21

wondering what's going on in that

18:23

head of his. Is it a case of him

18:25

wanting a start so much that

18:28

it's almost counterproductive? Is it a confidence

18:31

issue? I

18:33

believe both of those. So when

18:36

you remember I used to do a show when I

18:38

was a racetrack called Race Examination? Yes. There

18:41

was a time in 2020 and 2021 where every

18:43

week it was like why did Eli get a

18:45

good start or not like on that show like

18:47

I seriously broke it down analyze it or whatever

18:49

because there was around like I think even St.

18:51

Louis 2020 he went into

18:53

the first turn in dead last place and

18:56

he still won the title that year. So I think it

18:58

is probably a confidence thing as you put it

19:01

but I think it's also an Eli Tomak thing. He

19:03

has had these like what the heck

19:06

was he doing off the start his entire career? And whatever.

19:08

He hasn't had this many in a row without

19:11

any glimmer of hope. Yes because at the Salt

19:13

Lake 7 in 2020 there was like

19:16

three rounds in a row where it was awful start and then he

19:18

whole shot like Salt Lake 4 or something like

19:20

that and what I noticed when I was reviewing

19:22

that with with what he's doing is he's not

19:24

the type of guy where if he's bar to

19:26

bar with someone he will put an elbow

19:28

out and go in. He'll back off

19:31

and let them go into the corner and see if he can

19:33

tuck to the inside and like 95% of the time for him

19:36

it doesn't work. He gets stuck behind

19:38

someone whatever gets stood up almost goes

19:40

down. Like that's what was happening to

19:42

him consistently. So he's the type of guy that if

19:44

he doesn't have the jump and he's side-by-side

19:46

with someone to let that person go. I think

19:48

there's just there's six rounds left. This

19:51

is a triple crown so there's technically nine starts

19:53

left. I think that

19:55

there's one time that he gets

19:57

it right. He has elbow on everyone. He gets to the

19:59

corner. in the top three or four and he has

20:01

a speed to go up front win. Okay, rebuttal.

20:06

Aside from Daytona and

20:09

Anaheim 2, the final main event, Eli

20:12

Tomac has not run up front

20:14

this year. As in, battled at the

20:16

front of the pack, diced it up. Correct?

20:20

Not off the top of my head. But I

20:23

don't count Arlington because he came forward. So like,

20:25

it's not like he started up front and just

20:27

absolutely jukes it out, you know? So

20:29

when he does that again, is there gonna

20:31

be some rust? Is there gonna be

20:34

a bit like, okay, I need to relearn

20:36

what I'm doing when I'm battling with Chase

20:38

Cooper Jett from the drop of the gate? Because

20:41

when you think about it, and you know what, I will

20:43

ask him about this if he's on press stage. It

20:46

won't go well. He'll laugh in my face. 100%

20:48

he'll do his... before

20:51

the answer. But

20:54

I will say to him, like, when you

20:56

start up front again, are you gonna have

20:58

to relearn the intensity? I

21:00

would say he would, wouldn't you? That's bold to

21:02

ask someone who's won 52 races, but I appreciate

21:04

it. No, but is it bold? I'm not saying

21:06

that he's forgotten or he can't do it. I'm

21:09

just saying that it's been not

21:11

in his program for

21:13

so long now, but

21:15

maybe it's a bit like, oh. Yeah

21:18

I don't think I would go that far. I think

21:20

that... Okay, I'm not gonna ask him that then. He

21:22

really hates us. You can ask him

21:25

that question, but... No, I'm just gonna ask him,

21:27

hey Eli. How'd you like

21:29

St. Louis? No, I

21:32

would, yeah, ask him, but I think that his response

21:34

will be like, no, I've done this plenty of times

21:36

before, it'll just come right back. If

21:39

that's how you would take it, but that's exactly

21:41

what he's probably gonna say. Yeah, but like, I

21:43

would say that a better response to put... If

21:46

he's gonna answer with that, a better response

21:48

would be, well, obviously

21:50

I've done it a lot, but

21:53

yeah, not so much this year, so who knows,

21:55

I guess. Yeah. I'll

21:58

be back in forth a little bit about does he... end

22:00

after six these final six rounds and his

22:02

career is done. If

22:05

he continues like let's say he decides

22:07

to continue racing is it

22:09

to race outdoors and SMX or is it

22:12

to be ready for 2025 Supercross?

22:15

I could see him skipping outdoors doing

22:18

SMX and then doing 2025 Supercross

22:20

but also I really can't see

22:22

that because realistically we all

22:24

felt that he was gonna retire or there was

22:27

a good chance of him retiring at the end

22:29

of 2021. Yeah. And then we

22:31

were all almost certain at the end of

22:33

2022 and then almost certain

22:35

again last year so I'm of the

22:37

opinion that we have stretched this out

22:39

for so long but

22:42

are we really gonna stretch it out again? I don't

22:45

know man we talked about this last week. I don't know

22:47

when these guys are gonna retire. If you're like family do

22:49

you not say to him like you've

22:52

given yourself one more shot so many

22:54

times? Do you

22:56

really want to do that again? I don't

22:58

know. That's a good question for him. I guess.

23:00

Will you punch me for that as well? That's

23:03

a good question for him. Don't

23:05

tell me if you're retiring I don't care this

23:08

isn't a question about retirement before you scoff but

23:12

like you've extended your career by one more

23:14

year so many times how

23:16

do you kind of

23:18

stop that? What is it gonna take for you

23:20

to go okay I don't want to do that

23:23

again? Yeah I mean again it's a fair question

23:25

but I honestly if I watch my online press

23:27

stay interviews and any of these questions come up

23:29

I'm gonna roundhouse kick you in the face. It's

23:31

a free country Lewis. So but

23:34

we've seen this with everybody dude Ryan Dungy came

23:36

out of retirement after like five years. Yeah. When

23:38

is it gonna be enough? Every rider is like

23:40

I retire or I think about retiring

23:42

and I don't know what I'm gonna do post career

23:45

so let's go another year like that happens with so

23:47

many guys in this sport and I don't think Tom

23:49

X unique. No I don't think it's unique but I

23:51

just like when you consider that a lot of us

23:53

thought that he would retire in 2021 if he's still

23:55

racing in 2025 that's quite incredible

24:00

I guess, yeah, but I don't know, I think I

24:02

could see it, like I really do. I swear to

24:04

God. Because I think his

24:06

demeanor right now from what

24:08

I'm watching with how he's reacting to everything that's

24:11

going on is not that he comes off the

24:13

track and goes like, I

24:15

just didn't have it tonight or whatever, it's like, I would agree. What

24:18

the hell is going on? I need to

24:20

fix this. Yeah, which explains- This is not

24:23

how my career ends, which is- Which also

24:25

explains Verstarts to me, because in my mind

24:27

he's going to Verstart going, what

24:29

the hell is going on? I need to fix

24:31

this focus, focus, focus, and then almost after doing

24:33

it. You know the old saying, if

24:36

you're struggling with starts, don't practice starts for a week.

24:38

And then it all like, you know, it just kind

24:40

of, I do believe that with

24:42

starts you can over egg it a little

24:44

bit, mentally and technique wise. Okay,

24:47

so podium or not? Does

24:49

he give him a- Yes, obviously. Yes, obviously.

24:52

But it's a valid, I'm not

24:54

doubting it, but it's a valid talking

24:56

point based on the current trend. He

24:59

has just finished outside of the top

25:01

five for the third successive week. That

25:04

has not happened since late 2016, rounds 12 to 14. It's

25:08

a valid point, all I'm saying. It's fair

25:10

given the last few rounds for sure, no

25:13

question about it. Clearly he does not finish

25:15

out of the top five this many times

25:17

and it wasn't because of a crash or

25:19

anything like that. These were straight up finishes

25:21

outside the top five. Fair

25:23

enough. Alright, let's get into our next topic because

25:25

we went a little long on the first two

25:27

ones at this point, but it's our Race Tech

25:30

Fan topic of the week. We asked some people

25:32

on Twitter, X, I don't know if people are calling

25:34

it X, but I still call it Twitter, to

25:37

send us in some topics. We took one this week

25:39

that is going to be a non-moto topic and there's

25:41

a few questions in there that we'll probably push because

25:43

I think that they're a little bit better to use.

25:46

Start with the debate that we just had before we went live.

25:49

Okay. But anyway,

25:51

so at dumb race fan wants to

25:54

know, how do you choose what hotel

25:56

you are going to stay in? Price,

25:58

location, hotel company because every single weekend

26:00

we have to stay in a

26:02

new place or figure out where we're gonna

26:04

stay for these rounds and yeah

26:06

so let's start with this debate that

26:09

we had before the show because this

26:12

has to do with okay because before the show

26:14

we're discussing okay you're flying in here

26:16

you're doing this or whatever and the last

26:19

two weekends you've stayed downtown I think it's a common thing

26:21

for you oh okay well you're

26:24

staying downtown again in st. Louis I

26:27

am NOT I am staying near the airport and

26:29

I tend to like doing that because it's easier to

26:31

get in and out with my flights and stuff like

26:33

that and not to play around traffic or something stupid

26:35

like that at the race and then I can just

26:38

control my own destiny because I get a rental car

26:40

control my own destiny because you have a rental car

26:42

fuck me do you work for

26:45

a this marketing no

26:47

I'm saying because Davis if I want a

26:49

car control your own destiny I

26:52

get migraines for example right and

26:54

what now no I'm

26:56

saying I get migraines and if

26:58

I happen to have forgotten my medicine it's like

27:00

the hotel that I used to get rid of

27:03

my migraines instead of having to rent an uber

27:06

to get all the way back to the hotel to then get

27:08

all the way back to the stadium with another uber I can

27:10

just get in my rental car go get it and come right

27:12

back and park in the same parking spot I was no

27:14

but this is my point I stay downtown

27:17

if a the price is reasonable like

27:20

basically if not having a rental car weighs

27:22

up with the increased price of the hotel

27:24

and it's basically the same and

27:27

I can walk to the stadium yeah so

27:29

like Seattle I uber to the hotel and

27:31

then I did not get another vehicle until

27:33

I went to the airport I just walked

27:35

back and forth and it was beautiful okay

27:38

met some fans on my walk saw

27:40

some stuff does it not bother you

27:43

that the variation of uber prices is

27:45

can greatly affect how much that is

27:47

in your budget analysis so business with

27:49

Lewis when I was making my bookings I

27:51

went on the uber app at the time that I would

27:53

land and put in the uber

27:55

to understand the cost business with

27:58

Lewis yeah but it can it can vary on surgery If

28:00

something happens nearby in that location that they were not

28:02

expecting it can go up. It was So

28:07

we're talking about why we pick certain

28:09

hotels because again Another

28:11

thing that happens with us I feel like frequently

28:13

then maybe you'd expect is we stay in the

28:15

same hotel as like the riders and like fellow

28:17

personnel and like just a ton Of people like

28:19

we'll see athletes going up and down elevators So

28:21

it gives us an indication of where they are

28:23

for a weekend as well and maybe what they're

28:26

going through if I get in a Hotel

28:29

elevator With

28:31

chase and there's 31 floors. I'm

28:33

just pushing every button. We're just

28:35

we're on for the ride at that point

28:38

We're just how you been all aboard

28:40

the ship at that. How have you been? Oh boy?

28:43

But yeah I think I think most of

28:46

us in the media when it comes to

28:48

selecting a hotel like have a certain budget

28:50

that we are Trying to stay below like

28:53

we don't just get you know, the the Grand

28:56

Hilton downtown President's suite or

28:58

whatever like we're trying to remain pretty cheap

29:00

on low budget with a lot of that

29:02

stuff We've done it long enough where we

29:05

know what like I

29:07

know what? Hotel is a reasonable

29:09

price in st. Louis versus what is a

29:11

reasonable price in Glendale. Yeah, like because it

29:13

does change Yeah, like you can't like

29:15

st. Louis the hotels are obviously a bit cheaper

29:18

than other places. Yeah, and the same with like

29:21

Indonesia Indonesia I

29:23

stayed in like a five-star hotel and it was like four

29:25

dollars a night So particularly for me in

29:28

Supercross I try I almost look everything through

29:30

hotels calm when I get a hotel and

29:33

I usually try to because I get

29:35

a Remicare include free parking and include

29:37

breakfast because Supercross there's a Decent

29:39

chance. We're not gonna have to leave early enough that

29:41

we don't get breakfast Outdoors, I

29:44

don't I ignore including breakfast with

29:46

outdoors hotels The

29:48

company I worked for booked our hotels anyway But there's been

29:50

a few outdoors that I've had to book my own hotels

29:52

and I ignore it because nine times out of ten We're

29:54

waking up early enough that we the breakfast isn't even served

29:56

yet. So that's why I've never

29:59

considered that Oh really? Yeah, because I tried

30:01

it again trying to save a little bit of money if

30:03

it comes with breakfast in the hotel You don't have to

30:05

stop at McDonald's or whatever. I don't really just want a

30:07

box first to be honest. Oh well

30:10

Maybe that's why you're so frustrated

30:12

in the mornings. Who said I'm frustrated in

30:15

the morning Australians

30:18

are mean so what do you what do

30:20

you look for in a hotel then well

30:22

if I can stay downtown And it's not and I can walk

30:25

to the stadium, and it's not out

30:27

overly expensive You try

30:29

to stay in the same sort of like You

30:32

know hill or higher people have told me to

30:34

do that But the prices fluctuate so much what

30:36

I feel like yeah, it's impossible to do unless

30:38

you're a writer Because again like I said we're

30:40

trying to stick within like I'm not gonna say

30:42

how much like a certain I've

30:45

never in my life. No matter the company been told

30:47

a budget. I just know like you

30:49

know You know you don't spend idea of what

30:51

is and like sometimes. I'm like that's

30:53

an expensive hotel But I've done enough research to

30:55

know that there's not really a better option and

30:58

Another thing is a lot of the athletes that I've

31:00

seen You know are on rewards

31:02

programs for flights or some are for hotels

31:04

and stuff like that But you'd

31:07

also be surprised how many just like seemingly

31:09

buy as we do the cheapest

31:11

flight or or the best Flight for

31:13

getting them in and out quick enough

31:15

to a location. I am doing

31:17

Delta this year Yeah, I mean I've

31:19

done Delta more than Southwest because those are the

31:21

ones I fluctuate between but I think generally speaking

31:24

like I do see riders on like I

31:26

did an American flight to like Dallas or something like

31:28

that and Saw a bunch of

31:30

riders on that that I've also seen on Delta flights and

31:32

and so on and so forth so again It seems like

31:35

we're all just kind of in this Let's try to find

31:37

the cheapest best option to get us into that race that

31:39

weekend and the cheapest best option to get us In and

31:41

out of that race that weekend, and they probably do the

31:43

exact same thing with the hotels So

31:47

we have a debate What's the

31:49

other debate? I forget about walking onto the plane Yeah,

31:53

because we had the same flight home this

31:55

weekend Which we sat next to each

31:57

other for 10 hours in the press box and didn't even realize until

31:59

we walked I walked up, I walked up to the

32:01

gate. And I boarded before you because I'm in a

32:03

better boarding group because I'm more important. Yeah,

32:06

great. You boarded in main one and I

32:08

boarded in the main two, three groups. Yeah.

32:11

So that was massively different. Big difference, yeah. You

32:13

sat in three rows in front of me,

32:16

not in comfort plus or first, just

32:18

a regular seat. Big difference. Yeah,

32:21

but I walked by you entering the plane. You never even looked

32:23

up once to be like... Yeah, because I didn't know you were

32:25

there. You just said it. I

32:27

didn't look up. I didn't know you were there. I

32:30

didn't know you were there. I could have had the biggest breaking

32:32

news that I saw before I got on the plane and you

32:34

would have just ignored me. I

32:36

don't know what you expected. Sad. I don't

32:38

know what you expected. Sad. I

32:41

don't know what you were doing. Well, obviously he was on my

32:43

phone. You were probably asleep already. No, I don't sleep already. Yeah, I don't know

32:45

what you expect from me. I don't know, I just expect the current to like

32:47

nod or something. Well,

32:49

first of all, we were... I

32:52

nodded as... I passed Derek Drake entering the plane

32:54

and he nodded. I didn't. No.

32:59

So what do you want me to do? Hey, Kevin, how have you

33:01

been? Long time no see. How's it going? I

33:04

had my head down. to

33:06

sit by me. How come? Why would anyone want to

33:08

sit by you? Oh, that's just mean. It's

33:11

realistic. Mean? I'm not going

33:13

to sit next to you in the press box. I'm not going to sit next to you in the press box. I'm

33:15

not going to sit next to you in the press box. It's realistic. Okay.

33:19

Well, clip, okay. That's fine. Okay.

33:22

I'll sit with Kiefer. Kiefer, yeah. That'd

33:24

be great. But yeah, I think that's how we pick hotels. Like,

33:27

I get excited, like... It is nice. I'm

33:30

not going to sit by you. I'm not going to sit by you. I'm not

33:32

going to sit by you. I'm not going to sit by you. I'm

33:34

not going to sit by you. I'm not going to sit by you. and

34:00

their mother just hung out in the lobby post, right? So you can

34:02

either do nine people. But also, do you know how good it is

34:04

for the checker flag to go out and you be in your hotel

34:06

room a minute later? Yeah, that's

34:08

probably pretty good too. But the press room wasn't

34:11

a tent, it was in the hotel. It was a conference

34:13

room in a hotel. Yeah. So just,

34:15

what? So you know what we really need

34:17

back on the schedule is we need Toronto

34:19

back on the schedule because the Toronto Stadium

34:21

has a hotel connected to it. Yeah, but

34:23

surely that's crazy money. I

34:25

don't care. What if like- Oh, wow. So

34:28

I'm saying like, what if you and I went in, Habs

34:30

is on a hotel for the weekend and then we got

34:32

this, we ended up having the same- Okay.

34:35

I'd rather do a cardboard box on a street corner.

34:37

You're brutal, man. I don't mind staying in the same

34:39

hotel. What's wrong with that? Pass. You're

34:42

just mean, Louis. Pass. So rude. All

34:46

right, see now I've got a fucking, I

34:48

was joking then, I wasn't being rude. Don't

34:50

need to go at me at the comments.

34:52

It's all a joke. I was taking a

34:54

piss. We're all having a fun time. People

34:56

like the British talk last week too. No,

34:58

they do. Everyone hates everything. All right, before

35:01

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35:25

right, next topic, Lewis. Upcoming from

35:28

Seattle on the weekend and Levi Kitchen

35:31

gets a big hometown, home

35:33

state win, not hometown, because he's like three hours

35:35

from there, but home state win. Crowd was loving

35:37

it. Talked to some fans. They said it was

35:39

the loudest they've heard. Seattle probably since Villa Poto.

35:43

So that was awesome. But

35:46

dude, Levi won this race rather dominantly,

35:48

which we don't see much of in

35:50

the 250 class anymore. Like even, even

35:53

Jets wins, maybe we're not that far gone. And I

35:55

know that the track had a little bit of help

35:57

in how far things got away, but. Dude,

36:00

he walked that thing home, whole shot to

36:02

Checkered, no one really had anything for him.

36:04

And does this kind of set us up

36:07

for him stepping up

36:09

and walking away with this title? Uh,

36:11

maybe recency bias, but I am now

36:13

confident enough to say that Levi Kitchin

36:16

is the best 250 rider

36:18

in America right now. Okay,

36:20

I don't know if I'm gonna go that far. Who would it

36:22

be? Oh, here we go. What

36:25

do you mean? Danger!

36:27

No, no, I don't think

36:29

it's clear in a way that Levi is the best.

36:31

Okay, but I am now, I saw

36:33

enough at the weekend where I am comfortable saying

36:35

it. Okay. You? No.

36:39

Who would be your guy? I think it's

36:41

very close, like, and again, we're just talking

36:43

about Supercross right now because outdoors, I don't

36:45

think I would put Levi like... No. ...on

36:47

that level. So indoors? No, I

36:49

think that realistically RJ is still close, which is why

36:51

the debate is being had about this. So you think

36:54

Levi and RJ are the best 250 riders? No,

36:57

I'm saying on the coast. No, I'm not talking about the

36:59

coast. Okay, overall, then yeah, I think that you can... And

37:02

this is a topic we'll discuss before Nashville, but

37:04

I definitely think that Degan and

37:06

Makadu and Vial are

37:09

comparable to what we're seeing with 250 West.

37:11

Yeah, I believe they are comparable, but after

37:14

Seattle, I give Levi the

37:16

advantage by the smallest of margins, but

37:18

I am... You just said clear in

37:20

a way. Yeah, clear enough there's a

37:22

margin. Clear enough where I'm

37:24

saying it. You talk, fam. You're making me feel

37:26

stupid. Okay. Um, yeah, I don't think I'm quite there

37:29

because again, with Kitchen, like, remember when he was at

37:31

star and the reason why I wanted to bring this

37:33

topic up is that it would be like 8th,

37:36

8th, 8th, win, 8th. Like,

37:39

now I feel like what he's done with

37:41

his ride at PC is 3rd,

37:43

2nd, 3rd, win by

37:46

a lot, 3rd, 2nd, like, I

37:48

think that we're gonna see that trend continue. Like, I

37:50

would not be surprised going into the St. Louis Triple

37:52

Crown if Hampshire wins going like 1, 2, 2,

37:56

and Kitchen wins a moto, but someone else gets in there as well.

37:59

Yeah. I would bet now that

38:01

for RJ the only way to beat

38:03

Levi is to basically outperform him Yeah,

38:05

because we have seen enough where I

38:07

do not believe that you can count

38:09

on Levi Finishing

38:12

11th or throwing it away

38:14

like he is just the

38:16

safe reliable pair of hands Yeah,

38:21

that's difficult for RJ I

38:24

would go against what you said about

38:26

st. Louis because Levi has proven to

38:28

be a triple crown master Master

38:31

I don't know my two like Why

38:34

are you criticizing him? His first career win like two years

38:36

ago was a triple crown. Yeah, and it was in St.

38:38

Louis Yeah, so I don't know.

38:40

I think it's not it should be

38:42

ladies. You know this weekend. I think it will I

38:44

think Louis Sturt is great Do

38:47

you think Jordan Smith sweeps? Yeah,

38:52

hope his chest is okay, dude There was a lot of

38:54

people that were upset that like his

38:56

quote was like I didn't hit my head I

38:59

feel he should have been black flags. Really?

39:02

He was a danger. I'm not in

39:04

the other way And

39:10

that track was gnarly if your handlebars are bent yeah,

39:13

yeah He was he was not okay. That's

39:15

fine And I'm fine with that and I'm

39:17

not saying he was concussed but he was

39:19

not paying attention to his surroundings Can I

39:22

say one thing about we're way off topic

39:24

on the kitchen thing? But the Smith thing

39:26

with the handlebars being bent and I'm not

39:28

on his bike So I don't know but

39:30

watching the crash back. I

39:32

do think he knocked the wind out of himself

39:34

I did not see the bike hit the ground

39:36

hard enough to warrant handlebars are severely bent Like

39:38

he bounced off the bars and then rolled up

39:40

the face of the next jump and laid on

39:43

a Yamaha Yeah, the bike actually really didn't even

39:45

crash Yeah So maybe another crash like maybe when

39:47

he got together with Yoder or maybe when he

39:49

got sideways in the rhythm and got taken Down

39:51

again, but at that point he was already making

39:53

so many odd mistakes He'd be like, okay. Well,

39:55

then the bikes messed up or he's messed up.

39:58

Like I don't like he you saw when he

40:00

almost collected RJ coming back onto

40:02

the track. I don't care if

40:04

your bars are bent, that's you just not being

40:07

aware of your surroundings. And at that point, that's

40:09

dangerous. And not in the other way. Anyway, back

40:11

on to... Did you see the last corner? Yeah,

40:13

with him and Walsh. Yeah, but I didn't really

40:15

see it. I only saw like, you know, I

40:18

don't really have a clear picture on what happened.

40:21

There's like a video floating around of them. Like it was

40:23

like three guys going to the corner together and they just,

40:25

a bunch of them banged bars and then him and Walsh

40:27

laid on top of each other going up the finish. So

40:29

it wasn't quite concerning.

40:32

Side note, went out to

40:34

Fox Raceway yesterday and Walsh crashed pretty hard. So hopefully

40:36

he's okay. Oh. Anyway,

40:38

continue. He's had a rough go lately. He has,

40:41

yeah. Shame actually, because I feel

40:43

like last year it was trending in a

40:45

direction where you could have seen him like,

40:47

maybe getting a shot on a decent team. Yeah.

40:50

But he was kind of the first non

40:53

factory guy in last year

40:55

before he got hurt. And I was like

40:58

leaning towards the direction of maybe he

41:00

gets like a billion at Pro Circuit

41:02

or maybe you don't want that talk.

41:04

Yeah. And now it's just shit

41:06

in the bed. Yeah. So back onto the kitchen

41:09

topic, you think that he is the best 250

41:11

rider overall. So do you

41:14

look at- By the slimmest of margin. Okay. Do

41:17

you think eight points up, this

41:19

title is his no question? No.

41:23

No. No, it's a toss up. I think I go

41:25

73rd, he Levi's 6040. Okay.

41:30

7030 with, and then Hampshire would be the other. So

41:33

you think Smith is out? Oh yeah. Yeah. 21

41:36

down, right? So yeah, that's pretty far. Were

41:38

you surprised Hampshire wasn't better this weekend

41:41

then? Yeah, but I felt like

41:43

the 250 race was weird. Like

41:46

very early on, it just was settled. So

41:49

there wasn't really any room for guys to be better

41:51

than what they were. But to

41:53

your point very early on, it was kitchen

41:56

Smith, RJ. 1,

41:58

2, 3 from like lap 4. were five onward

42:00

and RJ went from five seconds back

42:03

to 20. So like

42:05

he didn't stay with him in

42:07

any capacity. I didn't talk

42:10

to RJ but considering it

42:12

now, it would make sense that maybe

42:14

he was very aware of how gnarly

42:17

the track was. And in the

42:19

past, maybe old RJ would

42:21

have thrown it away and then

42:23

finished 11th. So maybe he

42:26

was flirting on the edge of like, I

42:28

want to go faster but I don't want to crash and try

42:30

to manage that. Yeah. Do you

42:32

think that this was a kitchen hometown advantage

42:34

wing? No. No, I don't think so

42:36

either because like Washoe Google hasn't been his best race of

42:39

the year. No, I don't believe that

42:41

really exists. Yeah. Because he even said, post race, I

42:43

don't know if you saw this, he said that like

42:45

it was actually nerve wracking going

42:47

around with the crowd being as loud as it

42:49

was with him in the lead. So

42:52

like... Well, he had such a big lead but like there was

42:54

a lot of time... No, no, no, like early in the race,

42:56

like as he comes around as the race leader on lap one,

42:58

he was like, oh my God, like this is loud and it's

43:00

all for me. And he was like, this is nerve wracking. So...

43:05

Well, yeah. Good for him. Yeah. Made me

43:08

feel like we were watching Larry Ward win Seattle

43:10

99 all over again. So... Yep. Yep.

43:12

The crowd was loud though. I don't know. Like

43:15

we didn't hear it much in the press box

43:17

because it's soundproof but... Yeah, it was loud. Like

43:19

when you can hear the crowd through that, you

43:21

know it's really loud. Yeah, that's true. Not

43:24

any more than the norm for

43:26

AP or Roxam. Yeah, but I mean,

43:28

those are way more like established guys. I

43:30

even asked some fans this weekend, like

43:33

do people in this area really

43:35

know like Levi Kitchen? Because like

43:37

I feel like people really knew that

43:40

Villa Poto was from Poolsbo and that you

43:42

know, Larry Ward is from Washington state and

43:44

stuff like that. Like do people really know

43:46

Levi Kitchen is our hometown? Yeah. They

43:49

were like, yeah, kind of, but they were

43:51

like, he's also still so young and came

43:53

into like his own so late that he

43:55

wasn't like on everyone's radar. So... And he's

43:57

not the most like outspoken either. Yeah,

44:00

but again like I just think that you know

44:02

the Pacific Northwest people really get behind their guys

44:04

And I think now that he's won the Seattle

44:06

Supercross like it's on yeah, and he goes to

44:08

wash Google this year It's gonna be really loud

44:13

Now I think it will be Put

44:16

a pin in that Alright,

44:18

let's talk about MXGP Louis

44:21

the into Xanadu a Royal Molino's round

44:23

of the championship round two in Spain

44:26

over the weekend and Yeah,

44:29

Prado sweeps MXGP basically we do we do

44:31

we need to even talk about that not

44:33

really so let's go into MX2 Because we've

44:35

already talked about Lucas Kunin and what we

44:37

think of him, so let's talk about The

44:41

other husky rider Kaida Wolf who is

44:43

leading the championship? Almost had

44:45

a perfect weekend similar to Prado and

44:48

coming into the season You

44:50

know you would theorize it's gonna be Langen Felder

44:52

you think it's gonna be Kunin the wolf will

44:54

be good But how good dude he's been really

44:56

good through two rounds like this is better than

44:59

we thought right? Yeah, it's unbelievable to

45:01

be honest like I almost cannot get my head

45:03

around the fact that he is this good I Was

45:07

on the verge of almost writing him off after

45:09

last year But whatever

45:11

just you know like it had been a while

45:13

one GP win in that time There

45:16

was so much hype early on and it just wasn't

45:18

really coming to fruition But

45:21

he looks so put together this

45:24

year it's unbelievable like he is honestly I cannot

45:26

fathom how much better he

45:28

is and just how he's still got

45:30

that same wild style, but it's just Better

45:35

put together that's the best way to put it yeah, and also he

45:37

normally sucks at hardpack GP That that's what stood out to me this

45:40

weekend is like this would be around where Kinda

45:46

wolf would normally go like five six or whatever like and

45:48

you would just see Langen Felder and Adamo and all

45:53

those guys just be better

45:55

on that surface, and he looked apart as

45:57

them all weekend long like you didn't

46:00

look like he was uncomfortable. I know he crashed

46:02

late in the second moto, but I didn't look

46:04

at it and go like, oh my god, like

46:07

I'm watching Kaido Wolf send it to be

46:09

good on this surface, you know? I would

46:12

agree and consider that the next round is

46:14

for deep, deep serve. He

46:16

should win again, in theory. It will be

46:18

either him or Kunan who win, I would

46:21

presume. Yeah. So he could start the season with,

46:23

um, yeah, a

46:25

cleaved sweep of the first three rounds. Because he's,

46:27

um, 12 points up already,

46:30

right? And then because of the mixed bag, isn't Adamo

46:33

like third, but he's already like 20 some points

46:35

down? Yeah, I always felt like that was a mistake.

46:37

I think it's a lot more than 20. Is

46:40

it really? Because he's on 130, oh and Adamo's on 83, so maybe it's

46:42

30 already? I think it's 30. Already?

46:46

That's crazy. Um, but yeah, like you said,

46:48

going to a real Asado next, that is

46:50

a sand round. And so like you said,

46:52

it's, that's like basically DeWolf's backhand.

46:54

He's gonna know how to do really well on

46:56

that. And we'd expect at worst him

46:59

to be on the podium again, which means that

47:01

after three rounds of this championship, he's already got

47:03

a pretty comfortable advantage in the series. That's kind

47:05

of gnarly to think about, given

47:07

the prospects that we were thinking about coming

47:09

into this championship with him. So like,

47:12

I did not see it being a, not necessarily

47:15

a runaway, but sort of this early

47:17

on. Yeah, I um, I

47:20

didn't even have Kai down as a title contender.

47:22

Really? Not even that. I had him on the

47:25

cusp of like, he'll be there, but not really

47:27

in it, but he'll be like around. Yeah, but

47:29

not really. But he'll be the

47:31

guy who takes points from the contenders a

47:33

lot, but just isn't quite in the mix.

47:38

There is a very long way

47:40

to go. 54 photos. So a

47:42

bit early to start making bold claims,

47:45

but I would argue that whereas

47:49

I pegged it as Lucas Kunan versus

47:51

Simon Lagenfelder, it is now going to

47:53

be Kida Wolf versus Simon Lagenfelder. Would

47:57

you not agree? Yeah.

48:00

I mean, given the way that the point structure

48:02

is already being folded up. The MXCD website isn't working. Yeah,

48:04

I mean, what else is new? I don't know what's

48:06

going on. So on the

48:08

flip side of DeWolf, who I think we both

48:10

assume is kind of like our standout so far

48:12

in MX2 in terms of surprise versus where we

48:14

thought it'd be, who is your... It's

48:16

not going anywhere near what you thought it would so

48:19

far. What, in MX2? Yeah. Well,

48:24

to be honest, I don't really have one, but

48:27

one that other people probably expected to

48:29

go better, Tebow Beniston. That was going

48:31

to be mine. I don't rate him

48:33

that highly, so I'm not so shocked.

48:36

But... Yeah,

48:38

he's kind of just not done much

48:40

and he really is meant to carry

48:42

Yamaha to a title. Well,

48:45

that's why I was going to say because like with Yago

48:47

now, so... With Yago

48:50

moving up now, like obviously the flag

48:52

has been passed, so... So

48:54

Yamaha have lost to an Owen Gertz in

48:56

MXGP, so they're not winning that championship. It

48:59

doesn't seem like they're going to win the MX2

49:01

championship. It is

49:03

fairly unlikely they will win a 250SX

49:05

title this year. Deagon

49:08

is their only shot, really, and he's on

49:10

the outside looking in. And then

49:13

Tomac hasn't really worked out as expected. Deagon

49:16

is their only shot, but you could argue, well,

49:18

he's obviously not the favourite to do it. So

49:22

not great for Yamaha. Yeah, I

49:24

don't know that I would say it's not great. No,

49:27

just not like they would... If you

49:29

put those titles in front of them and said, you should win what you...

49:31

Do you expect to win at least one of these? They

49:34

would go, oh yeah, sure. Your Jeremy Seawherism is showing.

49:36

Huh? I said your Jeremy Seawherism is

49:38

showing. Why? Because he left and

49:40

now you just want to hate on Yamaha. I'm not hating

49:42

on Yamaha. I

49:45

was thinking about this on a drive over, right, to

49:47

your establishment. It's

49:51

so weird how you can

49:53

state facts and

49:57

people argue with it as if

49:59

you're... Like they almost don't want

50:01

you to state a fact. Yeah. Like they're

50:04

almost mad that you chose to point out bad

50:06

facts. And it's like, but how can you possibly

50:08

get mad at someone who's just shared

50:11

a fact? Mm-hmm. Like

50:13

we, I don't know what it was that made

50:15

me think this. Something came up. Maybe I was

50:18

thinking about questions that I would ask

50:20

Tomak and that was what happened. But

50:23

like, yeah, just bizarre. Bizarre. Kind of

50:25

like the Malcolm-Shuitt discussion. Let's

50:27

not go into that right now. I don't

50:29

need to get there. But no, um, yeah, good

50:31

for Kai. Well done. Yeah, good for Kai. Um,

50:34

uh, I haven't been tracking this well enough

50:36

to know, but was it surprising that Liam was

50:38

back already? No, he was always meant to be

50:40

back. Really? Cause he, I mean... Liam's really good.

50:43

I know he's really good. I like Liam. Liam is like a...

50:46

Liam is a good, good, good guy.

50:48

I like Liam. He liked

50:50

Liam a lot apparently. Good, three goods. Yeah, good guy. A

50:53

good guy. Um, but yeah, he was always going to be

50:55

back by this round cause he broke his, it was his

50:57

thumb, right? Yeah, he had surgery. I know

50:59

he had surgery, but dude, it's been like a, maybe a

51:01

month since it happened. Yeah, and came out top

51:03

five straight away. Yeah, I was, I

51:07

was shocked. So do you think that that means

51:09

that given that it was such

51:11

a quick turnaround, he's already looking as strong

51:13

as he is, that we can factor him

51:15

in moving into the season that

51:17

he's going to start winning races? Oh yeah. Two

51:20

bold claims. One. Liam

51:22

Evertz could still win the title. Whoa.

51:25

Two bold claims. Liam Evertz will beat

51:28

Andrea Adamo in the championship despite having

51:30

missed a round. Who won the second

51:32

moto, Lewis? Prado.

51:35

Stop it. He did. Okay,

51:38

who won the second MX2 moto? Oh sorry, you should have

51:40

been more specific. Oh yeah, who was that? Uh, I believe

51:42

that was Adamo. That was Adamo indeed. And you

51:45

think that Liam Evertz is going to

51:47

come from not even at the opening round to

51:49

beating the guy who just won the second moto this

51:51

past week. He almost beat him this past weekend. I

51:55

don't know, I think Adamo's probably got him covered at this

51:57

point to be honest with you. Well,

51:59

you want to sponsor Australians. Yes. Are

52:01

we gonna get the Adamo edition MX2 bike or

52:04

what? How weird. So did you see the Prado

52:06

edition? I did see and it's 1 in 61.

52:08

But why are the numbers so small? On

52:11

the side? No on the front. Oh I

52:13

didn't notice on the front. It's

52:15

not his style of numbers but

52:17

it's like not the ratio

52:19

of like the

52:21

size of a number versus a plate is off. There's

52:24

a word for that perspective. I don't know. It's

52:26

bizarre. It's honestly I almost messaged him

52:28

and said what happened with this and then I figured

52:31

for I think we're beefing at the moment. Yeah

52:33

because he doesn't like how much you love hurling.

52:35

I was wondering why he was so sad. He

52:37

was surprised but I didn't pick him to win

52:39

Argentina. It is surprising.

52:42

I don't know what these people

52:44

want. Oh man okay. Let's

52:47

move into our final non-modo topic of the day and

52:51

yeah you've talked about this a couple weeks in a

52:54

row now and said we should just do this and

52:56

so this week you're going to do whatever this thing

52:58

is and the next week apparently I'm gonna do it

53:00

and it's gonna become. We'll see how it goes. Okay

53:02

we'll see how it goes. It could be a second.

53:04

I literally just have it written down as the game

53:06

because that's what you told me to write it down

53:09

as so take it away Lewis Phillips whatever this is.

53:11

Thank you. Well the game is like

53:13

a Trojan horse for therapy with

53:15

Lewis so let's start though. So

53:20

there is a British TV show called

53:23

Would I Lie To You? Okay. Where the

53:25

person tells a story and then

53:27

the other person or the other team in that case

53:29

has to ask questions and basically figure out if it's

53:31

lie or truth. Okay let's hear it. So we're gonna

53:34

try this. I'm gonna give you a story. I'm ready.

53:36

And you've got to figure it out. I've got to

53:38

try not to butcher this as well. So

53:41

yeah try to figure it out. Ready? Yeah. When

53:45

I was in college, my first

53:48

day days in college, why

53:50

are you staring at me? When

53:55

I was in college, my first days in college, my

53:58

very first essay was due. My

54:01

teacher, who previously worked for

54:04

Google, told me that he

54:06

was going to call the police because he believed

54:08

that the entire thing was plagiarised and he stood

54:10

me up in front of the class and made

54:12

an example of me as to how it is

54:14

unacceptable to break the law. He was fired the

54:16

next day. A

54:19

lot through that. How many questions do I get? As

54:21

many as you want, but never the least. Okay, so

54:23

your teacher, who worked for Google? He claimed

54:25

to have worked for Google before his

54:27

teaching job, which, as I told

54:29

him when we were beefing, being

54:32

the janitor at Google was nothing to shout about.

54:35

What was this assignment about, do

54:37

you remember? It was ICT, which

54:39

is information technology, which I

54:41

don't know what you call it here. It was

54:44

an essay on something to do with that subject,

54:46

I can't remember. Okay, so it was a topic

54:48

that theoretically would

54:51

have a similar answer to whatever

54:53

the prompt was about? It

54:55

was an essay, so it wasn't a question and answer situation. Yeah,

54:57

but there's a prompt for an essay. You don't

54:59

get it. Yeah. They don't just say, write essay.

55:01

Sure. So what was the prompt? I

55:04

don't know. It was a long time ago. I'm just

55:06

trying to figure out, is there a way that you

55:08

could have written something that would be similar enough

55:10

to look like it's plagiarised? I

55:12

don't know. Okay. So

55:15

you said they accused you of plagiarising and

55:17

that they were going to call the cops?

55:19

He said, he stood me up in front

55:21

of the class and said, I

55:23

should call the police because this man

55:25

here, Lewis, has plagiarised his entire work.

55:27

That is unacceptable. So then I just

55:30

went at him. You

55:33

went at him? Well, we just beefed in front

55:35

of the whole class and everyone knew. And then so what

55:37

did you do next? What was the

55:39

next step you took? Good question. Probably

55:44

should have come up with that part of the story. Sounds like

55:47

a lie to me. I

55:51

reported him to the head of department. Yeah,

55:53

at the Dean or something. This man

55:55

is batshit crazy. Okay. And

55:58

the department head then... said leave

56:00

it with me and he never turned up again. To

56:03

which the entire class gave me credit for getting him

56:05

fired. When did you find out he was fired? He

56:07

just didn't show up again. Didn't show up. We were

56:09

in class waiting. There was no email from the dean,

56:12

nothing like that. Never heard from the man again. So

56:14

then who took over the class? The head of the

56:16

department. The head of the department took over the class.

56:19

And it was like an IT class information thing. Yes. Okay.

56:22

I got full marks. I

56:24

was exonerated. You

56:28

went to college from like 2013 to 2016? I

56:33

honestly have no idea. No, 2014 to 2017. I

56:35

honestly have no idea. I'm trying to... No, I was doing

56:37

GPs in 2017. I'm

56:39

trying to believe, I'm trying to think if you would

56:41

have had like, nowadays college professors

56:43

have like databases that they can interject like

56:46

an analysis or essay into and it would

56:48

return whether or not parts of it are

56:50

plagiarized based on information. He said that in

56:52

Google he handled plagiarism and so he knew

56:54

when to spot one from a mile off.

56:57

I told him he's a prick. Can

57:02

you give me a rough year this happened? I

57:05

honestly don't know when I started

57:07

college. 2012, 2013, 2014. 2014 I think. Okay.

57:12

Taking this really in depth. I think it's a lie.

57:16

Is that your final answer? Yes.

57:18

Well, it was true, Kellan. Really? Yes.

57:21

Then I'm actually surprised because... Look at

57:23

that. Bluffed

57:25

ya. Well, I mean, I'm surprised that you didn't

57:27

have an answer of what you did next and then this is

57:30

a true story. Well, what do you mean what I did next?

57:32

You beat to the teacher and then you're like, actually I don't remember what I

57:34

did next. I'm going to come up with that part of the book. But

57:39

like, I'm surprised because I feel like

57:41

around that area, like all

57:43

teachers would have had access to... That man

57:45

was a fucking idiot. Yeah, but like to

57:47

say like, I work for Google so I know what plagiarism

57:49

is. Like... He literally started the first day of class and

57:51

went, yeah, hi everyone.

57:54

I worked for Google before this and immediately

57:56

I just was like, what the fuck are you doing here

57:58

then? I didn't hear this. Yeah,

58:01

obviously. Like, oh, hi, Kellum.

58:04

I'm doing this LVK podcast. Last week I was working

58:06

with Elon Musk on SpaceX. I was like the

58:08

head guy. You'd be like, why

58:10

are you here? I mean, they would, like,

58:13

a lot of professors out here specifically like to

58:15

say that to validate why they are

58:17

teaching. Well, I called his bluff straight away. Because

58:20

like when I was in my journalism classes and

58:22

stuff, professors that I would start a class with

58:24

would say, hey, you know,

58:27

like, you know, this is the class, this is

58:29

the curriculum, by the way, like I used to work for

58:31

NBC San Diego and this and that and stuff like

58:33

that. And now I'm teaching this college course. Yes. Hi,

58:36

everyone. This is ICT, Information Technology. This is

58:38

about computers. I used to work at Google. It's one of

58:40

the most basic lie ever. Yeah, I mean. I don't know what

58:42

he's doing now. Probably

58:45

went back to being a janitor at Google. Janitor.

58:48

Did you ever have any problems after this

58:50

with people criticizing? Nope. Nope.

58:53

I just managed to have it out for me. And this was earlier college days?

58:55

Like this was like, this is the first week. This is like day two. And

59:00

no one else in the class got in trouble? Interesting.

59:03

When he emailed back our assignments, I just got

59:05

an email that said, we will discuss missing class.

59:08

I was like, well, that's not good. Because then I messaged other

59:10

people and said, what does your email say? They're like,

59:13

oh, well, I don't even have even

59:15

got that far. Look

59:17

at you, Lewis, stirring up stuff in your college. Not that I pass in the

59:19

end. No, that's so fucking good. You

59:21

got someone fired though. Good. Good.

59:25

I'll do the same to you if you cross me. Okay.

59:27

Let this be a message to all of you. Do

59:30

not cross Lewis Lewis. Never. I

59:33

forgot about that. That man was a fucking idiot. Honestly.

59:36

Never criticize Lewis as copying someone else's work. The best

59:38

part was when he when we found out that he'd

59:41

been fired, everyone in the class was like looking

59:43

at me. And I was like, oh. Well,

59:46

I mean, everyone in the class saw you have to stand

59:48

up in front of the class for yourself. No,

59:50

that's fine. It's a shame. It's

59:52

got to be a winner in this game and it's got

59:55

to be a loser. It's a shame that this didn't happen

59:57

like a couple of years ago because simply everyone would have

59:59

had it on their telephone. So you would have

1:00:01

proof of this. Unfortunately, we just

1:00:03

have to believe that you're telling the truth. Yep,

1:00:06

which I still question What

1:00:08

about this quick little one? When

1:00:11

I moved to New Zealand the first day that I

1:00:13

walked into class My teacher kicked me

1:00:15

out because he said he didn't like English people

1:00:18

and I stood outside the class for 30 minutes wondering what

1:00:20

I did well That's

1:00:23

a lie. That's true. That's not true

1:00:27

He I walked into my English class high school this

1:00:29

would have been in New Zealand first day when hello,

1:00:31

I'm Lewis I'm new and he

1:00:33

went. Oh not another pommy See

1:00:36

you Word. Well use that

1:00:38

in high school. Yes Wow Get

1:00:41

the fuck out of my class Okay

1:00:46

Apparently you have some real awful Zealand that's just

1:00:48

the way it is Maybe there's a New Zealand

1:00:51

to listen to really New Zealand high school Hard

1:00:55

C word chilled. Yeah, interesting.

1:00:58

He said not another pommy Word

1:01:01

word included a C for you and

1:01:04

a T that word was I

1:01:06

would not pick up with that If I was your father

1:01:08

to be honest with you, it's just the way it

1:01:10

was a class. It was the way the class was This

1:01:13

is terrible. It's awful Okay,

1:01:15

so this is the game. Do we have a

1:01:17

name for it? No because we can't be

1:01:19

done for pleasure Yeah, should we do one next week where I

1:01:21

come up with one and you have to? Have

1:01:25

some pretty I have some good ones.

1:01:27

I think I could do so, but that tells me you've

1:01:29

just got some good stories That are true. No, no, no

1:01:31

like ones that I think So

1:01:33

another topic about this then is I've won

1:01:36

why are people not sending in? submissions

1:01:39

for am I a dick Honestly,

1:01:42

I cannot believe we didn't have one. I was You

1:01:45

know, I had someone actually just yesterday

1:01:47

say in the show where

1:01:49

you said Am I a dick and then I said we're

1:01:51

just gonna I just cooked out for the soundboard That's great.

1:01:54

And they were like they literally thought I had clipped

1:01:56

it because the very next

1:01:58

second you said Am I a dick

1:02:00

the exact same way you just said it like five

1:02:03

seconds before the session? Yeah, because it's a game. It's

1:02:05

got a tone to it. The game is called, Am

1:02:08

I a dick? Because that's the way it is. Well,

1:02:11

maybe we need to send that out. That's the race, neck, fan question of the week.

1:02:14

But why is it? I'll do that actually next week.

1:02:16

There's gotta be some people who've got some good stuff.

1:02:18

Yeah, but then we have to come up with stories,

1:02:20

don't we? Or are you asking those people to tell

1:02:22

us their story of something and then we debate whether

1:02:24

or not? No, this is different. I'm talking about last

1:02:26

week's segment of Am I a Dick? Right,

1:02:28

right. So you're saying we need to get people to

1:02:30

send in their stories of Am I a dick of

1:02:32

something they did and then we debate whether they were

1:02:35

or not? Yeah, I want them to be like, I

1:02:39

had this falling out with my brother, I cut off all

1:02:41

contact, we haven't spoken in seven years, am I the dick?

1:02:43

That's the type of stuff I want. Is that what's gonna

1:02:45

happen with you and your brother after you charge him rent?

1:02:48

I haven't spoken to him since. Yep, so seven years as

1:02:50

well. I want this to be like, what's a show

1:02:52

like that in America? In

1:02:56

England it's called The Jeremy Kyle Show. I

1:02:59

don't know. Like, you know where they

1:03:01

have like a man and he like solves family

1:03:03

issues and stuff. No?

1:03:11

Dude, honestly, I haven't watched TV in like a decade, so.

1:03:13

Okay, that's weird. Like,

1:03:15

no, I mean, we're cable cutters, it's our generation, we

1:03:17

don't have like cable TV that we just turn

1:03:19

on and flip through the channels and say like, oh, what reality TV crap

1:03:21

is on now? It's not really,

1:03:24

that's what I want. I want like, I

1:03:26

ran over my mother-in-law with a car, she

1:03:28

is in hospital, I haven't told anyone it

1:03:30

was me, am I a dick? Oh,

1:03:32

you know, honestly. That's what I want. A similar

1:03:35

show to that here, but it was way, I

1:03:37

think, different than that was The Jerry Springer Show.

1:03:39

I think that's what I'm thinking of. But

1:03:41

The Jerry Springer Show was literally just like, you

1:03:45

know, I had sex with my cousin and I didn't know it or

1:03:47

something like that. Yeah, that's what I want. Some

1:03:49

stupid thing like that. Yeah,

1:03:51

okay. Some random, off the wall thing. I

1:03:54

have disowned my child because they

1:03:56

did something. Am I a dick? That's what

1:03:58

I want. Morey. was like that,

1:04:00

that was a show that was, but I was more like

1:04:02

paternity tests and weird things, I don't know, American

1:04:04

TV was... What do we get riders? Riders

1:04:06

to send in? Yeah. Okay. Well this weekend if we

1:04:09

go around the pits and say, right, give me a...

1:04:11

and we can play their soundbite. Oh. Like,

1:04:14

hey Eli, because you know Eli.

1:04:16

Yeah, he'll come right up and

1:04:18

be like, honestly I've been thinking about this for ages.

1:04:21

Honestly, like just, Eli, if I... give me a story

1:04:23

where you were a dick and we just said, hey,

1:04:25

we love it. Yeah, no

1:04:28

comment. That's what he would reply with.

1:04:31

Alright, that's our show. Thanks for tuning in for the EVS

1:04:33

Sports LVK More Than Mototopic. Louis, I thought, ah, that was

1:04:35

a good show, right? That was a good one. I

1:04:37

don't know. You don't know. You're in different... I thought

1:04:39

it was one of the best. No? No. I thought it

1:04:41

was good. I thought our Mototopics were decent and then that

1:04:43

was a fun banter at the end, so... This wasn't one

1:04:45

of the best. The good news is, is the reviews are

1:04:47

still very positive. We're getting a lot of people coming up

1:04:49

to us with the races saying, love the show, love that,

1:04:51

blah blah blah, so... It's weird how many people at the

1:04:53

races love this show. Is

1:04:55

it? I don't know. It's a good show. This

1:04:58

one wasn't the best. Yeah, pretty good shows tonight. Not too

1:05:00

great. This was four to five

1:05:02

out of ten. Four to five out of ten? Yes.

1:05:05

Dang, Louis. You're a harsh critic of yourself. Well,

1:05:07

not just me. You too. Oh, thanks. Appreciate that. Throw me

1:05:10

in there too. It's not all on me, Kellan. Alright,

1:05:12

thanks guys for tuning in. LVK More

1:05:14

Than Mototopic. We haven't decided yet. No,

1:05:17

we will do one after St. Louis, but we won't maybe

1:05:19

do one the week after when there's off week. Okay, so

1:05:22

we'll be back after St. Louis Triple Crown action. Should

1:05:24

be fun to rehash some topics from that. So thanks

1:05:26

guys for tuning in and we'll see you next week.