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Hey everyone, welcome to the Story Collider, where

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true, personal stories about science help us

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to discover how weird and wonderful

1:01

it is to exist in this world and be human.

1:04

I'm your host, Misha Gayeski, and this week, our

1:06

stories are all about reality,

1:08

and perception, and the doors of perception,

1:12

and how we never know if this is real

1:14

life or just a fantasy.

1:17

Stop me before I include any more classic rock

1:19

references. Up first, Sean

1:21

Musgraves. Sean knows little about questioning

1:24

reality. He's a lawyer, journalist, and

1:26

lawyer who represents journalists. His

1:28

work has appeared on Politico, The Verge,

1:30

Vice, The Intercept, The Boston Globe, as well

1:32

as the Netflix docuseries How to Fix

1:35

a Drug Scandal.

1:36

His story was recorded at Smitty's Bar in Washington,

1:38

D.C. in April this year. In

1:41

Sean's story, he can't figure out why it always

1:43

feels like he's experiencing déjà vu.

1:46

A true mystery worth investigating.

1:49

Here's Sean. Sean

1:56

Musgraves So

2:00

my whole life I've been the smart

2:03

kid. That was essentially my

2:05

entire personality in high school. I

2:07

was obsessed with cramming for timed tests

2:10

and my SAT scores, my AP

2:12

scores, ask any of my high school friends, I was

2:14

so obnoxious. My

2:16

greatest asset was my smart kid

2:19

brain. Now, fast

2:21

forward from high school to December 2012.

2:25

This smart kid that stands before you

2:27

has finished college and finally

2:29

accepted that I'm queer and

2:31

had been dating a guy named Santi for

2:33

a few months. I switched

2:35

majors constantly in college and

2:38

at the end it came down

2:40

to journalism or go to law

2:42

school. I figure

2:44

let's give journalism a shot and then maybe we'll

2:46

try law school in a few years, we'll see and

2:49

on this day I'm doing my

2:51

first serious interview for

2:53

a serious story. I'm

2:56

interviewing the deputy chief of police in

2:58

Somerville, Massachusetts, which is just outside of Boston.

3:02

I ask another question, we're almost

3:04

done, and all of a sudden this

3:06

intense wave of deja

3:08

vu just hits me and

3:10

my stomach sinks because

3:12

I know what's about to happen. It's

3:16

very, very hard to describe, but

3:18

even more than 10 years later,

3:21

but it's like a dream

3:24

or a movie starts playing on

3:26

top of reality. I

3:28

don't lose consciousness and I can still see

3:31

this deputy chief of police that I'm interviewing,

3:33

but I can't hear what he's saying in response

3:36

to my question and I actually

3:38

can't speak for about 30 seconds, I

3:40

just

3:41

sit there.

3:43

This has happened to me before and it's actually

3:46

happening to me pretty frequently at

3:48

this point, but I have no idea what these

3:50

spells are, how to make them stop. I

3:53

actually think that they might be hallucinations and

3:55

so I am terrified to tell anybody,

3:58

my family, my closest friends. My

4:00

as-yet-unofficial boyfriend named Santi.

4:05

Whenever I feel the deja vu start,

4:07

I usually just run and hide

4:10

in the bathroom until the spell passes,

4:12

but I can't always do that, like when I'm

4:14

interviewing the deputy chief of police. So

4:17

I just sit there nodding along. I

4:19

can't hear what he's saying, but I nod along, and

4:22

I wait for it to pass, and

4:24

then I just quietly pack up my things

4:26

and leave. Soon

4:29

this is happening every single day, then

4:31

multiple times a day, and finally,

4:33

after way too long, I go see

4:36

a neurologist, and he immediately diagnoses

4:38

me with epilepsy. These are

4:40

actually seizures that I've been having, and I'm relieved

4:43

that they're not hallucinations, but I'm

4:45

still really confused. These

4:47

are called absence seizures, which

4:49

are entirely cognitive. They don't have any muscular,

4:52

like convulsive component, and

4:54

a lot of the times they start with what's called an

4:57

aura of deja vu, just like

4:59

what I've been having. Now, I have never

5:01

heard any of this. This is pretty overwhelming,

5:03

and then I tell Santi what's going

5:05

on, and he immediately says, oh, those are absence

5:07

seizures that you're having, right? He's

5:11

a scientist. And

5:17

these types of seizures often come

5:19

from your temporal lobe of the brain, which

5:21

plays a really big role in memory

5:24

and language, and sure enough, I get an MRI, and

5:26

there in my left temporal lobe is

5:29

an abnormality of some kind. My

5:32

first neurologist thinks that this is damage

5:35

from a minor concussion that I got a few

5:37

years ago. It's a totally separate

5:39

story, but the smart kid, the

5:42

summer before college, basically belly

5:44

flopped off of a cliff into

5:47

a small pool of water. Totally

5:50

separate story. But I got a minor concussion,

5:52

and so my first neurologist thinks that I basically

5:56

given myself epilepsy for

5:58

the rest of my life by... to coming to peer

6:01

pressure as a teenager, which

6:03

is crushing, of course. Thankfully,

6:07

the belly flop theory apparently was

6:09

total bullshit and did not hold water for very

6:11

long. Hold the water. My

6:15

second neurologist thought it was absurd.

6:19

She looked at a new MRI and said,

6:22

oh, this is actually what's called a cavernous

6:24

malformation. It's basically leaky

6:28

blood vessels in your brain that can cause

6:30

ears when they bleed a little bit. Small

6:34

crumb of good news that I didn't actually give myself

6:36

epilepsy. It was probably congenital. So

6:39

I start on anti-seizure medication, and

6:42

I hate it immediately.

6:45

Anti-seizure medications work by

6:48

basically slowing down your entire brain

6:50

to prevent misfires. And so

6:52

they turned this fast, smart

6:55

kid brain into a drowsy,

6:58

sluggish, lethargic

7:01

brain. There was also a little bit cranky,

7:04

Santi noticed. And

7:07

so all of a sudden, I needed to sleep tons

7:10

more. I needed coffee to get going

7:12

every morning, which was not the case before. And

7:15

I actually had to really concentrate

7:18

on thinking and speaking

7:20

and reading. I hated it. And the drugs

7:22

didn't actually always work. I

7:24

would start a drug and have this honeymoon

7:27

period for a few weeks or a few months.

7:30

And then the seizures would come back, including some really

7:33

big convulsive seizures in my sleep,

7:35

which were terrifying to both of us. And

7:38

then surgery came up, actually

7:40

taking out this part of my temporal lobe.

7:43

And I said to, by now, my third neurologist,

7:47

that kind of sounds like a lobotomy. I was joking.

7:51

And he makes no eye contact with me

7:53

and says, well, technically, it is a

7:55

lobotomy. And I

7:57

asked him, we stopped talking about lobotomies again. But

8:02

then I had to take more meds

8:04

because the seizures came back and so neurologist

8:07

number four makes eye contact with me and

8:09

brings up surgery again.

8:12

Surgery

8:14

could set me free from

8:16

seizures and from the medication,

8:18

but obviously there are a lot of potential

8:21

risks from operating on your brain like dying.

8:25

And also maybe impairing your

8:27

speech, impairing your memory depending on what

8:29

they need to take out of this part of your brain. And

8:32

so I hold it together during that conversation, but I just

8:35

fall apart outside the hospital. I'm terrified

8:37

of what the surgery could do to me

8:39

if it goes wrong. And

8:43

then we finally find a combination of three

8:45

different anti-seizure meds at pretty high dosages

8:47

that keep my seizures under control. So

8:50

we drop the surgery conversation. It's

8:53

about 2018 by this point. I decide,

8:56

sure, I'll go to law school. And

8:58

we move across the country to California

9:01

and I still hate the

9:04

seizure medication. I have to ask for extra time

9:06

on the LSAT and exams, which would have mortified

9:10

smart kid Sean. But

9:12

for all three years of law school, I don't have a surgery

9:14

and I accept that this is just my

9:17

steady state now. I'm drowsy,

9:19

I'm grumpy, and I'm just a pain in

9:21

the ass to get out of bed every day. This

9:25

detente with my drowsy brain

9:27

though ended last year after

9:30

I passed the bar and was representing

9:33

reporters now as my clients.

9:36

I have been stable for a

9:38

while and so my neurologist refers

9:41

me to an expert to just see how often

9:43

should I be getting MRIs now.

9:45

Turns out this expert is

9:47

also a neurosurgeon

9:49

and he did not read my referral

9:52

or chose to ignore it because as soon

9:54

as he sits down and looks through my scans,

9:56

he says, I get why you're here.

10:00

an excellent candidate for surgery.

10:02

And I'm blindsided.

10:04

We're here to talk about something totally boring

10:06

like how often should I stick my head in an MRI

10:09

machine and he wants to talk about cutting

10:11

my head open. But

10:14

he has this bizarre salesmanship.

10:16

He has this little, he

10:18

has this model of a brain that he keeps taking

10:21

apart, like

10:23

pointing to different parts. And

10:27

so he says

10:29

to me, listen

10:32

you're on a lot of meds. Do you like

10:34

that? Do you want that for the rest of your life? Of

10:37

course not. I hate my meds and they might

10:39

not even always work. This just might be a particularly

10:41

long honeymoon period. But what

10:43

about risks? He says, he

10:45

talks about the risks like they're nothing. It's like he's taking

10:48

a bug out of ice cream. It's just

10:51

like this is such an easy surgery.

10:54

Timing though. At this point,

10:56

Santi and I were about to move back from

10:58

California to the East Coast in just like a

11:00

few weeks. So what about timing? He

11:03

says to me, you will be back behind

11:05

the wheel of a car a week after

11:07

surgery. That

11:10

sounded impossible. So I've, so

11:12

but he's selling this thing. He's selling

11:15

me surgery so hard. And

11:18

after three years of being on drugs, I

11:20

despise and I can't even remember

11:23

what it feels like to think without

11:25

them. I'm so

11:27

hope

11:29

and I go home and I tell Santi,

11:31

I think I want to have brain surgery like next

11:33

month.

11:37

And then we have some more level-headed conversations and

11:39

decide and decide not to sneak in a quick brain

11:42

surgery before a cross-country move. But

11:47

last month on June 8th,

11:51

I walk into New York Presbyterian and

11:53

I go into the operating room and I

11:55

lay down. At this

11:57

point, I am so calm. and

12:01

so ready for this after that

12:03

pitch and several rounds of like second opinions

12:05

and tests. It

12:09

turns out to be a five hour long

12:12

operation and I actually had to be awake

12:14

for 45 minutes of it because

12:16

before they were going to take out any tissue they

12:19

needed to confirm that they could

12:21

take it out without impairing my verbal function

12:24

or my memory and so they would stimulate

12:27

one part of my temporal lobe which deactivates

12:29

it and then give me some quizzes and

12:32

it's incredibly foggy my head was open. But

12:40

I do remember one which

12:42

is what is a mythical

12:45

creature with wings that

12:47

breathes fire?

12:49

I got it right.

12:53

And at one point the neurologist and I

12:55

just chat for a few minutes

12:57

about how I got to New York and

12:59

then I'm pretty sure she held my hand as they put me

13:01

under for the rest of the surgery. They

13:04

ended up taking about a ping pong ball sized

13:07

part of my temporal lobe out and

13:10

when the pathology results came out it

13:12

actually turned out twist not

13:14

a cavernous malformation. It

13:16

was actually a low-grade tumor. Specifically

13:23

a it's called a plenty is

13:25

the acronym a polymorphous

13:28

low-grade neuroepithelial

13:31

tumor of the young. The

13:33

young.

13:40

And it was also like

13:42

really calcified it was like basically like

13:44

a rock in my head they were they were dazzled.

13:47

They were and

13:56

so now we knew what's been in my head this entire

13:58

time not. belly flop

14:00

scars or a cavernous malformation,

14:03

a low-grade tumor of the young. It was

14:05

great. The

14:08

recovery also was incredibly easy.

14:13

I was walking like a couple hours after

14:15

surgery. They discharged me the next

14:17

day. Within a few days I actually

14:19

dragged my mom to the Met just

14:22

to get out of the apartment and then

14:26

a week after surgery I

14:29

was approved to get behind

14:31

the wheel of a car just like

14:36

salesman surgeon foretold.

14:40

It was unbelievable. It was so

14:42

easy. Now

14:45

even a few weeks after surgery we don't

14:47

know if it worked, if my seizures are actually

14:49

gone. I have to be on my meds for a few more months

14:52

and then after New Year's I'll gradually

14:55

ease off of them and I got to choose

14:57

which one we're getting rid of first. I

15:00

know which one we're getting rid of first. That was so quick. So

15:04

far it seems like it was the right call to cut

15:06

out a ping-pong for my temporal lobe

15:09

to do a lobotomy

15:12

technically.

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Shane goes there. He is the guy who's going to

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his bipolar

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Very

18:12

big fan of science. That's

18:14

something I didn't see coming when I was a kid.

18:17

I was raised in a small

18:20

wholesome Wisconsin

18:23

town. I had a very aweschucks kind

18:25

of Pleasantville upbringing,

18:28

and I didn't fit into it in any way.

18:30

I never liked church, and I didn't

18:33

like all of the rules. I

18:35

didn't like authorities, that sort of thing.

18:40

Great people. In

18:42

fact, many of the people that I grew up

18:44

around, they even went on to make America great

18:46

again. But

18:51

I didn't fit into it in any way. It

18:55

felt like blasphemy just to ask

18:57

just basic questions about life,

18:59

and it was very alienating for

19:02

me. That wasn't until I

19:04

was 10 years old, and I discovered stand-up

19:06

comedy, and I fell in love with

19:08

it. Comedians could talk

19:11

about all of the things that you weren't supposed

19:13

to, and nothing was off limits. Stand-up

19:16

comedy became my church. I was just obsessed.

19:19

I knew I was going to become a stand-up

19:21

comedian.

19:22

As a teenager, I got into

19:24

science

19:25

a little bit, because

19:29

I never cared about school or anything. I didn't

19:31

know how that was going to help my comedy

19:33

goals. But I got into science as a

19:35

teenager just to argue about religion

19:37

with people. I basically learned physics

19:41

and evolution just to be a dick for

19:43

the most part. And then I went

19:45

on. I became a full-time

19:48

stand-up comedian, got to be

19:50

on TV and all these things. And my

19:53

love of science never left me. As

19:55

I started touring, I started a podcast called

19:57

Here We Are in every city that I went to.

19:59

I looked up

20:00

universities and random scientists to

20:02

ask about life and how the mind works and everything.

20:06

And learning about the mind, it changed

20:08

my relationship with myself and

20:10

how I understood life. And

20:12

it even helped me get my mind

20:15

back one time. And that's what this

20:17

story is about.

20:18

So I was in, it

20:20

was

20:21

early 2020.

20:22

I was touring

20:25

about four cities a week and COVID

20:27

shut everything down. And I lost

20:30

just everything that I did. I stopped

20:32

through my hometown to

20:35

like, oh, I'll visit my folks

20:37

for a few weeks until things blow

20:39

over. And got a hold of some

20:41

past virologists and epidemiologists

20:44

that I had interviewed years before to

20:47

ask them what was going on. And I was like, oh, I think

20:49

I live with my parents for the

20:51

next two years is what I'm finding

20:53

out. And I lost

20:56

all of my income. I lost the ability

20:58

to pay a team of people that I

21:01

had working with me. I lost a girlfriend

21:03

at the time over the whole thing. It was

21:05

awful. And I was, soon

21:08

after I lost my mind, I'm

21:12

bipolar, manic depressive.

21:14

If you don't know, that means I like to dream big

21:16

and give up. And so when COVID happened,

21:22

I went hypomanic right away. Hypomania is

21:24

like a more mild form of a full-blown

21:27

man. Very exciting. You don't need

21:29

as much sleep. A lot of good ideas. Like,

21:31

oh, what if I turn toast into bread? A

21:35

lot of weird inventions you're coming up with.

21:39

And nothing too crazy, very excited.

21:42

It's a good state to be in if you're trying to rework

21:44

your entire life. And I was

21:46

like, oh, I'm going to be in here. It's a good

21:49

state to be in if you're trying to rework your entire

21:51

career when the rug's been

21:53

pulled out from under you. And, but

21:55

usually hypomania lasts for like a couple weeks.

21:58

It's like an inspiring. couple weeks,

22:00

but this lasted for months and

22:03

it started leading to full-blown

22:06

mania, which for me it starts

22:09

a lot of synchronicities happen and

22:12

a lot of reading into

22:14

things, putting together patterns

22:16

that aren't really there, like reading secret

22:19

messages and signs that only you

22:22

can see and you're getting special insights

22:24

from the universe and

22:26

this is getting worse and it

22:29

was May 2020 and now

22:31

it's full-blown, I'm only sleeping like

22:33

a couple hours a week of full-blown

22:35

mania, having

22:37

psychosis and

22:40

I'm becoming more and more detached from

22:42

from reality and then

22:45

May 25th, 2020, I turned 40, that's my birthday,

22:50

I turned 40 living in my parents basement

22:52

and it was also the day that George

22:56

Floyd was killed and then

22:58

a few days after that, Minneapolis,

23:02

very close to my hometown, protests

23:05

happened, fires, everything else and something

23:08

just snapped in my mind and I just completely,

23:10

it wasn't like I felt like

23:12

it was a nightmare or something, it was I

23:15

completely lost sense of reality, I had

23:17

no bearing on anything,

23:19

I was convinced that nothing was real, I

23:22

needed to tell everyone else

23:24

in reality that nothing was real,

23:27

they didn't seem to believe me

23:29

and so I felt I came up

23:31

with this idea that I needed to like confront

23:33

all of my fears, to convince

23:36

myself that this wasn't real and that I

23:38

needed to like do crazier and crazier

23:40

things to like snap

23:43

out of a dream state, I thought I was dreaming,

23:45

so there I am naked and

23:48

confronting police officers and

23:51

and I'm explaining

23:54

to them that they aren't real and

23:58

they weren't taking me terribly serious

24:01

And so I very calmly explained

24:03

to them, guys I've been a comedian for 20 years,

24:06

I have dug deep

24:08

to expose every skeleton in my closet

24:11

and be as vulnerable as possible, it's

24:13

generally effortless for me. This

24:15

is what I would call a big share. I told

24:22

the police officers

24:26

that to convince them that

24:28

they weren't real, that I was

24:30

going to jump up

24:33

their urethras like Ant-Man

24:37

and then expand and make

24:40

them explode. That's a real

24:42

thing that I said well make it to

24:44

police officers. Again

24:46

they didn't take me very seriously and

24:49

I don't know if I

24:51

thought it was like if Neo

24:54

in the Matrix was a comedian

24:56

that told too many dick jokes or

24:58

something. I actually

25:01

told the story on a podcast once and

25:03

someone wrote me and I guess there is a scene

25:05

like this in this comedy

25:08

superhero series The Boys. I've

25:10

never seen that show so

25:13

great minds think alike. I guess... And

25:20

so anyhow that

25:22

was I was taken to a psych

25:24

ward that night believe it or not and

25:28

I went into the psych ward and

25:31

it was very scary and

25:33

I refused meds and

25:36

I was I just

25:38

kind of took on as much

25:40

curiosity as I could and tried to appreciate

25:43

that I had an opportunity to be a bit of

25:45

an anthropologist and get some

25:48

insights that I wouldn't normally get

25:51

and I'm really into cognitive biases. I

25:54

like neuroscience and psychology and how the

25:56

mind works and evolutionary psychology

25:58

and biology and stuff. And so, and

26:01

psychoware is a great place to see it. So egocentrism

26:05

is like a really clear cognitive

26:08

bias. Cognitive bias is just like the predictable

26:10

ways in which the human mind will often

26:13

err. And so egocentrism,

26:15

we're all born in this world thinking we're the center

26:17

of our own universe. We tend to accidentally

26:20

mistake that more things relate

26:22

to us than they actually do, that sort

26:24

of thing. We also, we have evolved

26:26

to overperceive patterns in

26:28

things because perceiving like a

26:31

pattern and shape in the cloud didn't

26:33

have a big cost to, compared

26:35

to like missing a useful pattern in life.

26:39

We also tend to perceive, overperceive

26:42

agency and minds in things because

26:44

I was so useful to evolve and

26:47

the cost involved of like talking to

26:49

your plants or something like that, or,

26:51

you know, your old vehicle or appliance

26:54

or computer takes on a personality

26:56

when it gets a little wonky and has a mind of its

26:58

own. These are all normal

27:00

things that we all have, but in a psych

27:03

ward and under stress and

27:05

under mental health issues, they're very amplified.

27:07

So everyone in the psych ward was,

27:10

you know, exceptionally talking

27:13

to things that weren't there and

27:16

working on grand puzzles and

27:18

putting things together. Everything was

27:20

about them, very self-referential. And

27:23

I'm like, man, these people are so crazy.

27:26

And then I remembered the

27:29

objectivity illusion, which is that

27:31

we tend to perceive ourselves as

27:34

more objective and logical

27:37

and rational than others. And

27:39

then I realized that all of these mistakes

27:42

they were making were the ones that I was making

27:44

as well. And once I learned that,

27:47

then I started noticing

27:49

when my mind was making errors and

27:52

I was able to create a little bit of

27:54

separation between having those thoughts

27:56

and acting on them. And my mania

27:59

just started dissolving. without any

28:01

meds or anything in just a few days. And

28:04

a few days later, the fear went

28:06

away and the

28:08

paranoia went away, and I was actually

28:10

just like very comfortable being

28:13

in a psych ward. If you want to know the trick to

28:15

getting out of a psych ward, as soon as you're okay

28:17

with being in a psych ward, they let

28:20

you out of the

28:22

psych ward. And

28:25

it was

28:28

a powerful experience for

28:30

me. I always,

28:33

as a kid, I wanted to be a big star and

28:35

a big deal, and I suppose we

28:38

all kind of do. And after

28:40

that, I just no longer really

28:42

felt very attached to

28:45

being like some big deal or anything

28:47

like that. I'm quite

28:49

happy to know that I'm not

28:52

the center of the universe, actually,

28:55

you know, a lot of pressure. And what

28:57

great news for pee holes everywhere,

28:59

too, because that

29:02

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