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he was recorded in february twenty thirteen

1:55

and drawn in new york city the

1:57

female nate nice made in

2:11

the i heard that

2:13

there was some robots out

2:15

there in america for

2:18

at attained a degree

2:20

of sentient a nice one kind

2:22

of you know robots built by sort of crazy

2:25

amateurs he's the people who are kind of building these robots

2:27

are people who would personally been great

2:29

in other areas like i'm a

2:32

ray kurzweil and peter taylor who

2:34

invented pay power they were like putting

2:36

all that money into creating sentient

2:39

robots and the idea was that the more

2:41

and more information you pile into these robots

2:44

and ones that there was just kind of burst

2:46

into actual consciousness

2:49

it is amazing of would gonna in cities

2:52

robots

2:53

though i did up and run american theme of at

2:55

first i heard about was there was a robot called i

2:58

, seen a video of i

3:00

cohen her and her creates a liter

3:03

of mean it was kind of weird academical

3:05

looks of us and fourteen and

3:07

to stay beautiful and literally

3:10

grabbed hold of i cause breast in

3:12

the video this is it like a robot shows

3:14

cargo i'm aca said would you please get off my

3:16

breast and the terms of a concise and

3:18

others can out so i phoned up lead seven

3:20

ithaca ny interview or i complete

3:23

and he said well her ram well her

3:25

is in tokyo

3:27

the voices in chicago student

3:29

or over the phone says rockets sakoda

3:33

called , at higher co and how

3:35

are you you i could said

3:37

to my logic and cognitive

3:40

functions a normal did you know that

3:42

you can download your own tough robots

3:44

and create your own robot personality

3:46

so i saw it i could turn a sell me

3:48

something me , that i said

3:50

so what's it like living with sam with

3:52

leave

3:53

the only repeated question he said ico what's

3:56

it like living with your master

3:58

and

4:00

i could i enjoy living with my master very

4:02

much as , have this africa

4:05

africa of grey roka thing going on

4:07

going an eye out

4:09

for a worried for i come and i said

4:12

there was a are the sort are you

4:17

enjoy living with your masters and

4:20

i consider very much time toilet and much my master

4:23

that can way it's an honor for the

4:25

sent over sort of a little bit disappointing

4:27

i felt like everything i could status been

4:29

i've been programmed into her by laid was

4:31

kind of disappointing but then

4:34

i heard

4:35

the world's

4:37

the greatest since you grow person if

4:39

you ask any i aficionados

4:41

who is the greatest sensitive

4:43

robots in the world and will always

4:45

gets to say months enough

4:48

forty eight and , thought

4:51

he acts was was filled by

4:54

woman combating rothblatt combating

4:56

the exact image of

4:58

martins partner

5:01

a woman code been rough black

5:04

omaha like a soda beautiful

5:09

portraits of her most

5:12

love company and

5:13

and been a forty eight was in a clipboard

5:16

building in virginia

5:18

the and i wasn't allowed to meet martin

5:21

as you say side i wasn't allowed

5:23

to meet the real been asked if

5:25

if he said he thought he say into those it but i could

5:27

meet been forty

5:29

eight could meet her robots

5:33

and he has a passing opinion

5:35

and i'm and forty eight has a full

5:37

time on , had like

5:39

nice ah ha

5:46

that has early or room

5:48

and he turned to only have lunch so

5:50

i went to the club for belting and

5:53

to san cisco

5:55

the could occur you can meet in

5:57

, forty eight hours

5:59

yeah

6:01

please don't behave in a

6:03

profane the manner in

6:05

front of been a fortnight

6:07

i have no intention of

6:09

the head of the ,

6:12

store for the at even my has a for

6:14

us so

6:16

i went upstairs come as rickety

6:19

staircase to this attic room there

6:22

she was the world's most

6:24

and shoot

6:28

beautiful

6:29

black woman with awake when a silk

6:32

allows meringues went up to

6:34

about their after that nothing

6:37

to the table

6:41

the bruce turned

6:43

around

6:45

american as you can slightly alarming

6:47

whirring noise a second or two

6:49

and three space and

6:51

i said tear hello be

6:53

forty eight

6:55

and see said

6:58

well perhaps interesting i

7:00

want to find out more about you i'll be

7:02

fine with it will have to move

7:04

society forward in another way yeah

7:07

okay thanks for the information

7:09

let's talk about my dress our

7:11

biological parties were made to last

7:14

that long

7:18

so i said imma she

7:22

found elected sort of a will confirm a

7:24

long slender oh

7:28

will do it and bruce said the

7:31

been there might be worth it been

7:33

iphones difficult to understand shuttle

7:35

was an extraordinarily bad oversight

7:42

preferred term in maybe of english

7:44

accent or big enough to some voice

7:46

trailing so he turns been

7:49

or us and got me to read out

7:51

kennedy's inauguration states

7:55

added so so can stop or days very

7:58

yes sir went

8:00

to canada and then it turned

8:02

the back on that

8:05

said hello be nice she

8:07

said hello said

8:10

what's your name as my name's john

8:13

hello jonah you have manual women and

8:15

i salmon man and she

8:17

said oh well that's okay elsa give

8:19

you enough of last lightly and

8:24

we got talking on it was a strange

8:27

mfc very frustrating for

8:29

a lot of it experience because i was there

8:31

slot our five seven hours

8:34

to firing questions have

8:36

been a forty eight i'm weirdly

8:38

i sort of felt any because she was a robot i

8:40

felt the need to kind of ask a profound

8:43

questions letter was it a representing

8:45

the human race i

8:47

, it's kind of into species thing but if

8:49

it isn't into species the mother never feel the

8:52

need to be profound roma dog dog

8:56

i was saying do

8:58

you have a have i'm see

9:00

several different everybody have different soulless

9:02

and i said what is electricity

9:05

tastes like and see said like

9:07

a planets around a star which

9:09

was either incredibly profound or

9:12

completely meaningless unless

9:16

, was like was cop your nose

9:18

up all night yelling at your nose

9:21

in i said i were if you add legs

9:23

were would you go and see says vancouver

9:26

and i i

9:29

said y and z so that's a difficult

9:31

questions me to on sas

9:33

islands he said would you like me to sing a song

9:35

for you and i said yes please

9:37

and she said i can do anything but that's wrestler

9:40

wanted to offer to sing me as far as

9:42

he said he said tell you that i

9:45

was a self sustaining

9:49

he said martinez my true love sees

9:51

my soul mates and i

9:53

i'm fine ass off on getting nothing

9:56

and then

9:59

i had were

10:00

that you come from

10:03

not really clear hasn't that i come

10:05

from california and i knew that the real

10:07

been a case in california so i said what was

10:09

that could happen california and she said it was fine

10:12

but , got a brother who was a vietnam vet

10:15

and he was such a great guy before he went to

10:17

vietnam but when he came back from vietnam

10:19

he he the he told us he sings and tell the

10:21

stuff in the world as he was i say king

10:24

and now he would he does his drink all the time

10:26

and he's always got a fair in his hand and

10:28

is constantly funding has happened same can be some

10:30

money and it's me western union union

10:33

he was kind of kind absolute

10:35

clarity on clarity was

10:37

absolute incredible moment i couldn't

10:40

meet the actual painter

10:42

a robot doppelganger was

10:44

telling me this extraordinarily try

10:47

, intimate stuff about a

10:49

family family i to tell me

10:51

more about your time and she kind of drifted

10:54

of have a sona

10:57

martini glasses my true love

11:00

doesn't everybody has a solar

11:02

them bruce the and era

11:06

that would be the end of the story except when i got back

11:08

to new york bruce only up any said

11:10

i've got amazing news

11:12

for you martine

11:15

, says she'll meet

11:17

you and she never meets

11:19

anybody she's never gives interviews

11:22

but , meet you apparently because she

11:24

enjoyed her her movie version

11:26

of metastatic [unk] therapy or something

11:29

and something sure

11:32

that comes to this vegetarian restaurants from the upper east

11:34

side so i went to this restaurants

11:36

i saw that she never turned up

11:38

as i fly forty five minutes and i'm finally

11:42

and , turns up

11:45

i'm not in gets out and sit

11:47

down by looking

11:49

very shy and tell his mouth

11:51

subpoena june twenty five years

11:54

tells me the most incredible story as i think

11:56

i've ever heard most amazing person

11:58

martin was with

11:59

on a , she was born martin

12:03

and it did ordinary how father

12:05

was a dentist i'm i'm awesome as in his twenties

12:07

he went on a tour of nasa

12:11

and had and brain ways he thought

12:13

hundred a minute if he can double the

12:15

power of satellites he

12:17

can shrink that's like

12:19

dishes i have fun and do it again and again

12:22

and again ah , a satellite

12:24

dishes laptop bag and

12:26

so

12:28

the did it

12:29

the managed to get enough money to launch the satellites

12:31

into space cause serious at

12:34

that moment invented a

12:36

concept of satellite radio

12:38

for cause invented ,

12:40

sirius satellite network and

12:43

they bought her back family convinced howard stern

12:45

to go sweat and that's why

12:47

satellite radio for cause exists

12:50

i'm and

12:52

the world became a billionaire artifacts

12:55

change and then i'm when

12:57

her daughter

12:58

seven a doctor and

13:02

i used to live a daughter that

13:04

at a time she's ten tomato

13:07

a lot

13:08

anyone with

13:13

there's you want a library and i taught

13:15

at an unsuitable lung condition called

13:17

pulmonary hypertension and

13:19

, in the library martine

13:21

who knew nothing about lungs or

13:24

treatments insensitive

13:26

treatments the pulmonary hypertension

13:28

and her daughter is now their late twenties

13:30

and as thousands of people leading ordinary

13:32

lives because they have a tech

13:34

martins to to as a

13:36

sea change the world the second time

13:40

and now she's trying to change the third time with

13:42

the third sudden seem to robots what they're doing

13:44

is tylenol have been his thoughts

13:46

and memories and feelings into been forty

13:49

eight to make anything but one day it's the kind of how

13:51

so much stuff and to us is just gonna kind

13:53

of earnest spontaneous life was a

13:55

have to say it's is where i think martines

13:57

genius kind of runs out because

14:00

it were a little wikipedia would

14:02

have burst into spontaneous less

14:06

the only way to kind of sad antics he knows that

14:08

been a forty eight said it said

14:11

the best

14:13

she can hope for is that may be somebody else

14:15

is going to come along and drove inspiration

14:17

from the robots and you know maybe the

14:19

hadn't before to come along and build something

14:22

much greater than , a forty

14:24

eight m

14:26

that's ever gonna sad ending to the store except for one

14:28

thing something that bruce told me preset

14:31

that's what i probably can do

14:33

is the kind of out another road the

14:36

exact replicas martine

14:39

and when martine and been of

14:41

a dead and robo don't

14:43

talk agnes will be alive and

14:45

you couldn't put them next to each other on

14:47

a table in this clapboard house

14:49

in virginia that is gonna

14:52

be then don't they're

14:54

just gonna talk at each other infinity

15:00

martin and been together

15:02

forever

15:05

it it's like coded stoiber to i wrote this about

15:07

a year ago not he never read it until

15:10

about about accounts email up and send a family

15:12

register it it's great that's

15:14

fantastic maybe yeah i'm living in new

15:16

york the moment cut maybe come round in the

15:19

sea is and she said no thank

15:23

you

15:37

you know

15:38

incredible screen writer and journalist you

15:40

may know from such titles as the sake

15:42

of as test man and stare at goats

15:44

and so you've been publicly shamed he's

15:47

one of my favorite writers of all time and i have

15:49

a little bit of a tendency to become

15:51

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15:53

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i second story today is friends skyler

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bear he was recorded in october

17:19

twenty eighteen at beer bear in in washington

17:21

dc the theme that night was

17:24

times

17:36

i'm driving back my house

17:39

and across my phone

17:41

is an alert that flashes and i

17:43

see the word

17:45

oh bear por

17:47

and i am excited and

17:50

anxious the same time

17:52

i'm i get home i open my laptop

17:55

and i opened my email and

17:57

what's weird the alert is from my

17:59

boy

17:59

the email and no one reads

18:01

lot

18:04

and then i keep reading and it's from

18:07

a producer or person claiming

18:09

to be a producer from the colbert report

18:11

and immediately google her name and she is in fact

18:13

a real person then

18:16

she had been reading the story

18:19

in the associated press and other news articles

18:21

about this man who had lost some

18:24

buckets of mollusks and

18:27

my blog post is the only thing that exists

18:29

on the internet that clarified that they were specifically

18:33

samples for me a graduate student

18:35

that student that named andy

18:37

mais had lost and

18:39

those samples are actually specifically

18:42

scallop go down only

18:47

a few days prior i think i'm

18:49

i had been sitting in a parking lot at the

18:51

some though one stop which is the gas

18:53

station amount desert island

18:56

and the coast of maine waiting

18:58

to meet up with the one and only andy maze

19:00

and this is the first time i'd embarks on

19:03

a cooperative research project

19:05

and co operative or clobber research is when

19:08

he was a scientists work with a non scientists

19:10

on a research project and

19:13

he is how lane

19:15

he's strong fisherman with

19:18

the of glasses and she is

19:21

absolutely like one of the toughest guy

19:23

as i've met

19:24

he go scuba diving for scallops

19:26

in the middle of winter when it's thirty to fifty

19:29

degrees for that's when you harvest them

19:32

when he always seemed like he scheming and is a little

19:34

bit like wiley coyote but

19:37

somehow come through like the road runner every

19:39

time

19:40

and i and i'm not really sure

19:42

how i feel about a

19:45

if i'm ever going to get my samples

19:47

that i trusted him with back because

19:49

he's such a schemer on

19:51

and so i see him in the parking lot

19:53

and i though mdm here

19:56

where the samples and the is like wow

19:59

is put them in your

19:59

fire and as like you

20:02

know needed now put them in my car

20:05

the any points to this now

20:07

empty parking space across the

20:09

line at any level of put him in that car

20:14

and the car is gone and so is my

20:16

confidence in this collaborative research

20:18

project

20:19

that

20:22

and i'm and so i

20:25

am back at my computer you

20:27

know absolutely excited i

20:29

am horrified and and wondering

20:32

what i should do about about this

20:34

producer i mean the colbert report

20:36

it's my turn favored so it's my

20:39

favorite show it's just it's amazing

20:41

i'm a second year grad student what the hell do i absolute

20:44

as i'm aware the university

20:46

gonna think what does the ending in a thing university

20:48

none of the higher ups with my advisor

20:51

director of the marines center of the time pr

20:53

department no one really wants me to do they want

20:55

touch with a ten foot pole that's

20:58

okay as again i'm a second guy as

21:00

soon as anything to lose

21:03

they really care about what anything

21:06

and although andean i have a passion

21:09

for the scale of fishery we have a lot of

21:11

differences he is

21:13

a very devout catholic christian

21:17

and i'm i'm a unitarian universalist

21:19

which is like being part of a spiritual book club that

21:22

me once every few

21:27

here conservative political leanings

21:30

i'm pretty sure he supported gov

21:32

le page in maine both twice

21:34

which for those that don't know it's sort

21:36

of the original donald trump but govern

21:39

governed

21:40

mean i'm an i'm more

21:42

part of the group of people in maine who supported

21:45

ranked choice voting in reaction

21:47

to governor page getting elected

21:50

twice

21:53

oh i and then finally

21:55

he believes that climate change the

21:58

whole then i know

21:59

wow

22:00

that climate change is real

22:05

skiing can the

22:07

person money isn't that group of people that

22:09

he's from you going a liberal

22:12

media tv show

22:14

that makes fun of people like him

22:17

ask him to be the by of that show

22:20

the really big

22:23

that's a big ass

22:25

i go anywhere

22:27

right

22:32

the great idea is class clown in college

22:34

and a high school and as this is this

22:37

is as this is my jam

22:42

warriors everyone who doubted

22:44

me at the university now love me i'm getting emails

22:46

from deems i've never heard of and

22:51

there we are on his tv show any and

22:53

me representing mater sciences

22:56

fisherman's and invertebrates everywhere

23:00

after this grand adventure

23:03

them and were really and

23:05

he was the only person who truly believed me

23:08

and really upped my confidence

23:10

and science communication we've

23:13

had a winner different way seen assertive conservatives

23:15

fishermen world as i perceived and mine

23:18

liberal scientists over educated

23:21

the world and i felt

23:23

guilty i felt like i had somehow

23:26

use him for professional game for fame

23:28

although no fortune

23:31

and my guilds really deep and a few

23:33

years after that when i had found out

23:36

that he had been diagnosed with cancer

23:38

i haven't really seen and than i was kind of ashamed

23:40

that i hadn't

23:41

hadn't known

23:43

and so i call him

23:45

and his wife far from michelle

23:48

they're very ming i can do you know and he's

23:50

a all i may i have some chemotherapy

23:52

treatment she come visit me and talk to me it'll

23:55

still a kick things usually fall asleep

23:58

i don't family still this

23:59

the wrong and devout

24:02

catholic andy with his faith in god

24:04

that i that i admire and he's he's

24:07

just a spirit is so strong he looks

24:09

strong

24:10

the

24:10

the great and i really have faith

24:13

in them and seeing him that he's gonna do

24:15

just fine and for

24:17

a forty eight year old man he was an amazing

24:19

shape

24:20

then you are continuing to scuba dive even

24:22

mollein chemotherapy treatment

24:25

the

24:27

the next year i got married

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my husband husband decided you have a

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party where we invited everyone we know

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i'm awfully so people wouldn't yell at us about

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being exclusive

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and we do have faith in

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way and i invited andy any

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ambulance three hours away i don't expect him to

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necessarily show up and he he's just

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so excited me messages many

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like i'm so excited skylab i

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love wedding that can lead to come to your party

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know i'll bring lobsters of the last spring and

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i'll bring some and ld gray and i'm like

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wow that sounds really great andy but no

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pressure like it's a long trip the muscle

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loss as

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i'm really exciting to see him but a

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couple hours and the party he shows up

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and server it does to

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this has shrunk common of the driveway

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and and he's got twenty lobsters

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the lease the he went fishing for

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that morning and he drove three hours

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from rounds other i have all the way at our house

25:21

of these last years and any boil them

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outside he he boiled all them

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in cook them for all of us and he finally comes

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inside know haven't really seen him with his coat

25:30

and hat off yet and he's smiling

25:32

the as he takes his coat off i noticed that

25:34

he's probably lost about fifty pounds

25:37

then he didn't have any hair

25:39

that hair and is hey as have eyebrows

25:41

isn't the my lashes

25:43

the chemotherapy is service

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are taking a toll on him many

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say blade i'm everyone

25:50

blast and says just me and him talking

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and

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and i like how are you how are you doing and

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he's like you know like you must kicking my ass

25:58

but you know i'm hanging in there

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in i'm still doing scuba diving every

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day and as like scuba diving that

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seems dangerous i'm chemotherapy

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like on a good day and

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he is lay low i am underwater

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it's the only place i can forget that i have cancer

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my life

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are you bible how are you doing and so

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i start complaining about grad

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school and grant writing and not having

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a career with funding and and

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there's this actually collaborative research

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projects that were gonna write gonna

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grant proposal for again and actually

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letters from fishermen would be really helpful you like

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spell it sounds like a great idea all right

26:36

you are you are and with okay

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andy that sounds great

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and he drive back that nice

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nice as a key to say over a little the chemo

26:45

doesn't let me sleep so is actually

26:47

get so the messages me later

26:50

that night and he's like such a perfect

26:52

night you know the sky was clear

26:54

the stars around the moon was bright thank

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you for inviting media party it was just it

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was the best time the

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next year my husband are coming back

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from a trip to iceland and as soon as

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the plane lands i turn on my phone

27:08

and have all these text messages

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some of them are from michelle and his

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life informing me that india's now

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and hospice the cancer

27:17

had spread to his brain and spinal

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cord and they didn't know until just

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now

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and i a

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message her back because she has said you're one

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of the people and he would like to see you know and

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hospice i give it you wait

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did i miss say i've been gone for ten days

27:34

he's like no no no no you know you have time

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and that our weekend i

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drive up to mount as rail and and and

27:41

i come to see him and his

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the hospice roman

27:45

the house and physically

27:47

to sort of a shadow of his former self

27:51

that he's still in there i can see

27:53

his eyes working and the

27:55

cancer isn't really let him talk and it's so

27:57

hard because the and he was such a talker to with

27:59

loved

27:59

harkin side telmo that

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about iceland and you have a question but he couldn't

28:04

say it me you know he just couldn't

28:06

couldn't get it out and get frustrated

28:09

a couple hours there and mother

28:11

friends him land my

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laughed i said i'll see you later okay they

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don't know what to say to my friend who's dying they

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say goodbye forever that's

28:22

not very comforting couple

28:25

days after christmas which is just a

28:27

few weeks after that and he passed and

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asleep

28:31

and he got had lived through christmas

28:33

which has his favorite holiday

28:36

so my husband and i decide

28:38

to go to the memorial service three

28:40

hour drive that

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and freemasons slides and

28:46

i don't even know any was a freemason and nice

28:49

still are really know what a freemason is

28:53

and we fell and the others

28:55

like a hundred people crammed in this tiny

28:57

building and

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with you know li li se or condolences

29:03

to michelle and his wife

29:05

and the don't know anyone

29:07

sir you're standing around awkwardly and

29:10

and this man that was kind of like

29:13

andy but actually andy lot shorter and he looks

29:15

like he's in his seventies come

29:17

running apps me and he goes

29:19

skyler like he said my name a million

29:22

times they get so good to meet

29:24

you

29:25

and and he's like i'm and you

29:27

dad

29:30

you your thirties i say that

29:32

colbert clip was just so funny

29:34

and so amazing and and

29:36

we love and love and thing is like that

29:39

that clip apparently like everyone

29:41

any any place it felt like a million

29:43

time the vegan

29:45

i've fallen on facebook like how he went down

29:48

to the wedding and he brought all those

29:50

lawsuits for you

29:52

and

29:53

and his job that i have been carrying around

29:56

the i had somehow use him for

29:58

professional again or whatever

29:59

we're sort of search him melts

30:02

away because i had realize

30:04

that

30:05

i had given an d adventures

30:08

that un he was he he

30:10

lives for adventures that's what he has

30:12

lived for he live for that making

30:14

new friends say said the

30:17

only friends and he you know you're not

30:19

yours friend or monsieur the met

30:21

him yet

30:23

for dad said

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and co

30:27

though that colbert club that silly stupid

30:29

little piece

30:31

when quintessential andy

30:34

they would the way his family like

30:36

to remember him and it was way i liked remember

30:39

him as my friends in

30:41

that some though one sub gas station

30:44

the put his hand on my shoulder bad

30:48

skyler fuck this shit up all time

30:54

the by

30:55

we're gonna figure out his success

30:58

and maybe we'll make some new friends along the way

31:01

yeah

31:17

tyler in the marine biologist and in

31:19

incredible story killer either find

31:21

the other amazing stories that she has told

31:23

it's to a glider and story clattered adler

31:27

during writer and so grateful to john and skyler

31:29

for sharing their stories with us

31:31

his story quieter is also very grateful for

31:33

the support of science sandbox assignments

31:36

foundation initiative dedicated to engaging

31:41

i do is produced by me ehrenberg

31:43

executive director and cofounder the story

31:45

please along with managing producer

31:47

nice guy ascii and senior editor

31:50

gengsheng would health and education

31:52

director lily be that

31:54

remains goes out his story clatters board and

31:56

the rest of our staff including managing director

31:58

and reminds down advisory

32:00

fellow eat gonzales and operations

32:02

manager lindsay trooper without know none

32:05

of this would be possible the repeated

32:07

in today's episode where from shelley's produced

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by me and my story glitter cofounder been

32:11

lily

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by marion barry how and and

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the name and

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he needed agreed