Hi friends! We are in a busy season at the moment and are working on a number of exciting things for The Substance and to help give us some time to do things at a high level, we are going to take a few weeks to replay some classic episodes from our 150+ show library.

This episode was remarkable for how high it made it on our highest download charts when our guest doesn’t have a traditional social media presence. What she does have however, is a track record of high quality work and an email list of folks who love what she does. Our conversation about personal and spiritual formation in a technology saturated world was really valuable for us and as it doesn’t look like our world will be having less tech anytime soon, this should be just as relevant for the foreseeable future.

If this is your first time listening to this, we hope you like it! Let us know on social media or email us a note or a voicemail and tell us what you think.

Reminder that we are still collecting for a thank you gift for Editor Dave for his great work at The Substance for the last year or so and if you send us something for him on CashApp ($thesubstancepod) make sure to let us know in the notes that it's for him!

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