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Let's drop the

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green flag on this episode of

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the talent tank podcast with

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your host Wyatt Pemberton

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bringing you the best, fastest,

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most knowledgeable personalities

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and Ultra4 for and off road

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racing.

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All right, all

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right. All right, here we go.

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Here we go. Everyone who dialed

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in today dial it up. Click den

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clicked on. Man. Another

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episode. This is the right after

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nationals Ultra4 nationals. As

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you guys saw when you clicked on

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the day we've got chip

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MacLaughlin, you know North

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Texas guy, philanthropist cancer

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survivor. prankster Texan.

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Driver, the number four Ultra4

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4400. Car. Chip.

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Yeah.

0:51

Welcome to the

0:51

show. Answer. I'm so sorry,

0:54

buddy. It has we keep talking

0:54

every chapter. That's a good way

0:57

to get it started. Man. Thank

0:57

you for coming on, man. You've

1:01

had a copy of so many good

1:01

stories. I've known you for

1:05

quite a while. But man, I hadn't

1:05

had you on yet even though I've

1:08

been excited because why?

1:10

Well, it's because you're gonna use me as your emergency contact and I

1:12

don't know if that's a good

1:15

thing for you or not. But yeah,

1:15

it was your emergency backup.

1:18

Yeah, my break

1:18

glass in case of emergency and

1:20

the reason was, I mean just when

1:20

you're trying to almost nearly

1:24

live record you know, this thing

1:24

is going to when people listen

1:26

to this they're going to get caught when you record that obviously in the last week

1:28

because the nationals and timing

1:30

Yeah, we try to stay on the ball

1:30

and sometimes just schedules

1:33

don't work out. I mean, I've

1:33

been known to get on a plane and

1:35

go interview a guy jumped in a

1:35

car and gunner got a couple guys

1:39

you know just discussed it. But

1:39

you Since you're here in Texas,

1:42

it's an easy one. And we talked

1:42

about and then to be honest,

1:46

that actually becomes like

1:46

offensive like, Oh, yeah, chips

1:49

my backup, you know, and you're

1:49

like, Fuck you. I'm not the

1:52

backup. That's the that's the

1:52

only word that's it. I know I

1:55

dropped the F bomb. I know I did

1:55

but that's the only one that

1:58

fits there right

2:00

now I you know

2:00

you're doing awesome show and

2:03

you know just even be asked to

2:03

be on it. And even to be the

2:06

emergency contact is an honor.

2:06

And you know, I'm just glad to

2:09

be here. Glad to be racing and having fun.

2:12

Well in I

2:12

haven't dropped. You know, I

2:14

didn't even lead in with that.

2:14

You've broken your back. So

2:17

there's like, leaving that open

2:17

for broke back jokes. The whole

2:19

rest of the episode. Oh, I did

2:19

just drop it right there, didn't

2:22

I?

2:22

Oh, well, my

2:22

phone's going off. Matt Enochs

2:24

is calling me.

2:29

God Matt Enochs

2:29

Yeah, I mean, I was texting with

2:32

him just a little bit ago. he's

2:32

a he's a he's a proud American

2:36

little North Texas guy with you.

2:36

I think you know, you guys.

2:40

He lives like

2:40

30 minutes from me, I believe so

2:43

which is scary. So you're an

2:43

employee everywhere.

2:46

Your big spoon. He's little spoon.

2:48

We'll go with

2:48

that. It's better for me.

2:51

We'll go with that. If you guys caught the live show this past weekend. You

2:53

might have seen right off the

2:56

start line pretty much in every

2:56

single drone shot was mowed into

3:00

the mowed in the field that said

3:00

HPD JT you know Happy Birthday

3:04

JT Taylor. that's who we're

3:04

talking about. In Chip.

3:07

I'm not sure who did that.

3:09

Right. Right.

3:09

Right. Rufus racing literally

3:11

they're doing their race prep

3:11

race it packed in there they

3:14

pack a zero turn mower. This is

3:14

planning this is prank prankster

3:18

level next level

3:20

Yeah, it was a

3:20

that was Zandy and Diamonds idea

3:24

Brad and I just happened to be

3:24

the ones that executed it you

3:28

know that we knew where we

3:28

wanted to park was not where

3:31

most of the racers Park and

3:31

there might be tall grass so we

3:34

thought now maybe we should

3:34

bring we'd eat or something. And

3:37

then he's like, No, we got the

3:37

zero turn and this is what I

3:40

think we should do. And I was

3:40

like, that is the most brilliant

3:42

thing I've ever heard in my life.

3:43

And if anyone

3:43

caught the JT episode, which was

3:46

back at Christmas for The Talent

3:46

Tank JT was here with me at

3:49

Christmas at my house. He spent

3:49

Christmas with us and we love

3:53

you know was was the title of

3:53

director of race operations.

3:56

Right

3:57

something

3:57

something really high level high

3:59

director birthdays

4:01

director

4:01

birthday so my kids you know,

4:03

they invaded the the recording

4:03

while JT sitting across the desk

4:07

from me and singing happy

4:07

birthday because someone

4:10

prompted him to

4:12

Yeah, so funny

4:12

since that trip, you know, he

4:15

calls it windshield time. He

4:15

calls everybody gets bored. He

4:17

drives all over the country

4:17

between Colorado and Florida.

4:22

Yeah, he called me and I kind of

4:22

put two and two together knew he

4:25

was going there and knew he was

4:25

gonna be on the program. And so

4:30

I might have queued that up, but

4:30

he doesn't call me anymore when

4:33

he does that. I don't understand why.

4:34

Yeah, I wonder.

4:34

You know, I actually didn't hear

4:37

him say anything about about the

4:37

mowing and the stuff in the mon

4:42

into the field. But that is the

4:42

thing about see you put it

4:45

together. See, you've got a

4:45

buddy that's kind of like that.

4:48

You know, Brad Christianson.

4:48

He's your co driver. You've

4:50

known him most of your life. He

4:50

saw me walking across that field

4:54

carrying a talent tank interview

4:54

kit and he put two and two

4:57

together so he is fed me a ton

4:57

of gotchas.

5:02

Yeah, I'm

5:02

afraid. I kind of got wind that

5:05

he had done that. And he laughed

5:05

the whole time when he told me

5:08

and it scares me

5:09

just giggling

5:09

just giggling like, Oh, you

5:11

know, I mean, they're good

5:11

stuff. I mean, I mean, they

5:13

really are like burning down

5:13

trucks. I mean,

5:16

just one or two.

5:17

He is apparently the one that coined the #chiphappens.

5:22

He is well,

5:22

yeah, it always happens to

5:26

somebody else's that was leaving

5:26

hammers, with Doug Jackson, I

5:30

think in 18, Doug's last race,

5:30

and we're sitting in that

5:33

windstorm trying to get out of

5:33

hammer town. And I'm Mike, it's

5:38

getting hot in here. I'm gonna

5:38

go get my shorts out of the

5:40

trailer. And I opened Doug's bus

5:40

in that when took that door and

5:44

ripped it off the hinges. And

5:44

Doug was just so mad. He just

5:48

sat there. And then Brad's like

5:48

chip happens. And it's stuck

5:52

ever since.

5:53

Well, now it's even on your on your racecars like it's Oh yeah, yeah, it's um

5:55

it's like on your visor on the

5:59

above the windshield or it's not

5:59

windshield What do you even call

6:03

What do we call that in the that

6:03

said

6:05

I don't know

6:05

visor, roof whatever. I put it

6:07

on there so we can distinguish

6:07

because everybody gets Danny

6:10

nice cars confused. So we put

6:10

you up happens and if somebody

6:14

messes something up well, I've

6:14

got a bunch of stickers hidden

6:16

in little turn up in good places

6:19

and places.

6:19

When so an overdrive you know,

6:23

they literally blow high

6:23

pressure line on their tank.

6:26

Exactly. Oh,

6:26

yeah. It's gonna chip happens

6:29

sticker your, your talent tank is empty,

6:31

fully, fully

6:31

empty, fully empty. Well, so

6:35

let's let's dive into nationals.

6:35

And there's a whole bunch of

6:37

other stuff about you that we're going to talk about for the next hour and a half or two hours or

6:39

however long we go. We'll get it

6:42

all in there. But nationals were

6:42

just coming off on they were

6:44

just this past weekend. you

6:44

qualify good at one point and

6:48

you know, in the for car, it's

6:48

an ifms tribe car built by Adam

6:53

Scherer and his crew, there in a

6:53

in Fort Worth. On corrected

6:58

time. You were way up there.

6:58

Number two, number three.

7:02

Yep, yeah.

7:02

Second, after lap a third after

7:06

the B. And I had zero idea that

7:06

we had gone that far. We started

7:11

16th, I believe.

7:12

But to finish

7:12

first, you must first finish.

7:14

Right?

7:15

Exactly. And

7:15

that was that was our plan. I

7:18

was listening to Alan's deal.

7:18

And I was messing with him. I

7:21

was like, it's gonna be checkers

7:21

wreckers. I guess I forgot to

7:24

put up blowing up but yeah, I

7:24

came in, you know, we came into

7:28

nationals. 10th, Brad and I did

7:28

and a number for car. And I had

7:33

a mission. I wanted to be top

7:33

five and overall points. So I

7:36

mean, I did my homework showed

7:36

up early. We marked the course

7:40

walked the qualifying course,

7:40

which I've never really done.

7:43

And so I was going for it. And

7:43

you know, things just happen now

7:49

to be your control.

7:50

And so what

7:50

took you out was you lost the

7:52

motor, but it was a it was you

7:52

know, old pressure, you lost oil

7:56

pressure. And then that took you

7:56

out. So what's all the what's

7:59

the story around that?

8:01

So it's a dry

8:01

sump motor. I had had some

8:03

issues with the oil light coming

8:03

on, you know, under heavy

8:06

braking or jumps when I'm

8:06

getting out of the gas up in a

8:09

jump. And so I'm used to light

8:09

blinking just instantly and

8:13

coming right back off, and I

8:13

started doing it, but I started

8:15

doing it more frequently. And I

8:15

kept asking Brad, dude, we got

8:20

bowl pressure, because Yeah,

8:20

well, he kept coming on more and

8:23

more. And in that motek system

8:23

with like a Christmas tree and

8:27

I'm like, are we gonna go the

8:27

course and I think it gave me

8:30

about two seconds, three seconds

8:30

and it shut me down. As Diamond

8:33

would put it when I started it

8:33

sound like a 1980s heavy metal

8:37

band. So we were out

8:39

like a drum full of rocks.

8:41

Exactly. It

8:41

was it was unfortunate.

8:45

Then, and then

8:45

Zandy. So this is team Rufus,

8:47

Rufus racing North Texas. You

8:47

guys are multi car team. You

8:51

guys have I mean, how many 4400

8:51

cars you guys have no, three.

8:55

So we own

8:55

three we only race two. Okay. I

8:58

call it the Tribe16 Collector's

8:58

Edition, because all of them are

9:01

tribes. It seems like one tribe

9:01

card was up for sale. We buy it.

9:04

So the number four is on Doug

9:04

Jackson's old car to solid axle

9:09

car which I raced in Tennessee

9:09

this year. And then Alex Wackers

9:13

IFS car that we bought right

9:13

after nationals last year and

9:16

then Zandy's got a nightmare

9:16

that Keanan Leatherwood used to

9:18

race.

9:19

That's right Keanan's and then that car Kenyans old car nightmare went

9:21

to the Demolition Ranch filler,

9:24

right DemolitionMatt. Yep.

9:24

Demolition Matt and then it came

9:27

back up to North Texas, right?

9:27

Exactly. Yeah, I should look

9:30

this up. What's Sandy's number?

9:30

Your 4

9:32

24

9:33

He's 24.

9:34

Yeah. Are they

9:34

on the you? UTV class. He's

9:37

number four. Because 24 was

9:37

taken and I took another

9:42

available UTV number to just

9:42

harass 4400 guy I got the number

9:47

13

9:48

Oh,yeah, yeah,

9:48

yeah. So JT Taylor, imagine that

9:52

like they,

9:52

I? What, what

9:52

are the odds, right.

9:55

So this whole,

9:55

you know, broke back in JT.

9:59

Crush. This is really pulling in

9:59

JT's favor here, Chip, this is

10:04

not looking good for you.

10:05

You know, that

10:05

dude is one of the coolest dudes

10:08

I've ever met. And I love

10:08

harassing him and it comes back.

10:12

I mean, the, the Happy Birthday

10:12

thing. You know, we started at

10:17

Sacramento, he we saw him and

10:17

Dave and the 4400 group coming

10:22

in, you know, employees to come

10:22

to their, you know, employee

10:24

meeting or whatever, for dinner.

10:24

And as grown up as a kid, my

10:28

parents always used to embarrass

10:28

us and say, you know, saying

10:30

Happy Birthday getting the can

10:30

put whipped cream on your face.

10:33

And we came up with the idea to

10:33

do JT and it has happened at

10:38

every race. It's got a life of

10:38

its own now actually.

10:42

Yeah, man, you

10:42

guys. I mean, just getting him I

10:44

mean, sometimes and he is a

10:44

great guy. I do need to tell a

10:48

quick Ultra4 JT Dave story from

10:48

this past weekend, because I

10:52

think it's important to

10:52

everybody, you know, I've been

10:55

and you know, and everyone

10:55

listening knows I've been fairly

10:59

I've been critical of Ultra4

10:59

when it comes to timing, and in

11:04

running races and, and being

11:04

being able to hang their hat on

11:08

the results. Not I'm not gonna

11:08

miss one. I haven't mince words

11:11

about prior to, you know, Moab,

11:11

you know, before they brought in

11:16

USAC. So we we had, you know,

11:16

the just fiasco a couple fiascos

11:20

last year, the fiasco K, ah,

11:20

this year, the stuff in

11:24

Tennessee, I mean, it's been

11:24

I've been critical and I'm, I

11:27

mean, I own that I absolutely I

11:27

have I've held their feet to the

11:30

fire. And so in nationals, I,

11:30

you know, normally at a race,

11:35

I'll go jump in the truck with a

11:35

with Dave during, you know,

11:39

during race Ops, and that's

11:39

usually you. In this case, it's

11:42

JT and the F 450. The red one

11:42

that they've got sitting there,

11:46

JT in the driver's seat, Dave in

11:46

the passenger seat, just run a

11:49

race often I just sit in the

11:49

backseat. And normally, you

11:51

know, I've done this, you know,

11:51

numerous races, but this one,

11:54

this one was particularly You

11:54

know, it was good. I was in

11:56

there quite a while just

11:56

watching the lead changes

11:59

watching guys come across

11:59

watching. Well, there had been a

12:02

problem in, in the UTV race with

12:02

timing. And then there being

12:07

another problem in the EMC race

12:07

with timing. And those guys, you

12:12

know, that they gone down

12:12

Johnson, Allen, walked the issue

12:15

over to the F 450. Talk to JT,

12:15

Dave, you know, to listen to it,

12:21

and walked away and Dave seseri

12:21

pops up his laptop, he already

12:24

had an opening, went to the

12:24

right files, started just

12:27

walking it through the tracker

12:27

walking out through the yellow

12:29

brick walk on through timing.

12:29

And then he radioed down to the

12:32

time trailer, print me out all

12:32

the stuff for this car. And it

12:35

was a in this case, it was the

12:35

sage in the UTV race. And the

12:39

difference was, it actually

12:39

changed the the national

12:42

outcome, the National outcome of

12:42

that, because of this issue, and

12:47

the points were made. And, you

12:47

know, I've been in that truck

12:50

for a couple hours. I was like,

12:50

You know what, I'm out of here.

12:54

And no kid,

12:55

Tommy's been

12:55

an issue. And you know, I

12:57

haven't been, you know, very

12:57

vocal about it. I have been

13:01

with, you know, honestly, with

13:01

JT and Dave, because, honestly,

13:05

in Kentucky and Tennessee last

13:05

year, I was affected, you know,

13:09

Brad and I in our car were

13:09

affected Tennessee, we were

13:11

pulled off a lab early. And, you

13:11

know, mistakes happen, the guys

13:16

are doing the best they can and

13:16

with what they have in, you

13:20

know, Dave came in gave me a

13:20

solution. And I agreed with it.

13:25

And, you know, we went on our

13:25

day, you know, not everything

13:29

would be perfect, but I respect

13:29

what those guys do. And

13:32

listening to Dave and some of

13:32

his ideas on the drivers meeting

13:34

this past weekend. We're going

13:34

some cool places, and he's

13:37

realizing, you know, he can't do

13:37

everything. I mean, I'm one of

13:42

those guys. It's like, I wanted

13:42

to make sure I do it because

13:45

it's going to be right. And you

13:45

know, with the race team and

13:48

work and everything else, you

13:48

just kind of cast it back and

13:51

Dave's done that I was really

13:51

surprised to hear he's gonna

13:54

take off after hammers for the

13:54

rest of the year that did that

13:56

shocked me as well. But I get it

13:56

right. He's he's actually put

13:59

some really great powerful

13:59

people in the right places

14:03

between you know, and it's a

14:03

team. It is a total team between

14:06

aliante and Ryan Thomas and

14:06

Scott Hartman, and even Roxy

14:11

merge and Alan Johnson and

14:11

Travis Wall. I mean, the list

14:15

goes on and on and on. You can't

14:15

stop but I won't go back to this

14:17

this USAC issue. Dave, Dave

14:17

turns and turns, you know, in

14:21

the seat and leans back goes,

14:21

Oh, Oh, hell no, Wyatt.

14:24

Yeah. No way.

14:24

No way. You sit there, you

14:28

listen to the SH t that that

14:28

goes down, you say? And I'm

14:33

like, that is frickin fair.

14:33

Absolutely. Absolutely.

14:37

Absolutely. I'll sit here. I

14:37

listened to all of it. And then

14:42

the whole it got to the point

14:42

where you needed to go down to

14:45

the timing trailer and have them

14:45

walk through each each lap every

14:49

time you and there was three,

14:49

there was three timers for you

14:52

to go across to this racers,

14:52

three different segments. And so

14:56

the times to walk down there and

14:56

I could get it I could sit in

14:58

the truck. I could get out and

14:58

go elsewhere. And I got out and

15:02

I said, Hey, I'm going down to

15:02

the timing trailer. And I'm

15:05

going to see this whole issue

15:05

from cradle to grave from where

15:08

it started to a resolution and

15:08

went down there and those guys

15:11

so I got to see exactly what

15:11

went on in the time and trailer

15:15

for and what they're looking at

15:15

and how they're looking at it.

15:17

And the fact that they have

15:17

video of every single time a car

15:21

trips, the wire right, so not

15:21

only is the the transponder

15:28

linking up with satellites in

15:28

space and being logged, it's

15:30

also being logged on video and

15:30

they could roll the video for

15:33

the back in the in the timestamp

15:33

is identical. I mean, they are

15:37

spot on. And we rolled through

15:37

it. And yeah, as it turned out

15:40

for let's say age, it was wrong.

15:40

The way they'd set it up. They

15:45

made it throw out any lap that

15:45

was less than 10 minutes because

15:48

they believe that was an error.

15:48

And because he had missed was

15:53

kind of what effective Bleiler,

15:53

it's exactly what effective

15:56

Bleiler and Bly are throwing

15:56

away the national points title

15:59

accidentally, you know, having

15:59

to end up doing lat B twice

16:02

because he missed the entrance

16:02

to me. Because when you came off

16:06

the short course you had to go

16:06

left to a or right to B. And if

16:12

that happened to one of our guys, Malcolm in the UTV class, and then going

16:14

back and watching the live feed

16:17

when I got home, it happened

16:17

Eric Miller too. And he was a he

16:21

caught it in time where he could

16:21

spin around a tree and go back

16:25

but I mean, you put the visor

16:25

down I mean, as JT says, you

16:28

become stupid and you know that

16:28

stuff happens.

16:31

Well, I'll even

16:31

add to that it's not just

16:33

stupidity I don't think it's

16:33

stupid. Well, I mean, it can be

16:36

done wrong it can be but we're

16:36

talking about Bleiler, you know,

16:38

this guy is you know calculated.

16:38

man he's in the national points

16:42

contention one king of the

16:42

hammers, he's won national

16:44

points a year ago. So he's the

16:44

current defending you know, the,

16:47

the defender of the national

16:47

points title. This guy knows it.

16:50

I mean, he's, he's, he's the guy

16:50

right now in my book, and, and

16:54

he made all the right decisions.

16:54

lap, you know, on lap one and

16:58

lap two. And this is lap three

16:58

made the mistake. So the thing

17:02

for me is, you know, this is

17:02

endurance, it's offroad

17:05

endurance racing. Endurance also

17:05

means the human it means the

17:09

body it means mentally Are you

17:09

beat up and this this course

17:13

was, it was a hard course. No,

17:16

no, it was,

17:16

you know, honestly, I liked this

17:19

course more than any course

17:19

we've had out there. Because,

17:22

you know, we had what I call the

17:22

desert section, which was a no,

17:26

it was not a fast like, just in

17:26

the sand. You could go fast. You

17:29

were in the dust, but you had

17:29

rock mines everywhere, you know,

17:32

besides the Volkswagens. And you

17:32

know, so you had to be

17:35

calculated in technical there

17:35

but go fast. Then looby had mud

17:41

bog in Hill killin driving

17:41

through river water crossings. I

17:46

mean, you know, everything else

17:46

that you don't get in the

17:49

desert. So you know, as Ultra4

17:49

as the ultimate, you know, car

17:53

that can do anything. This to me

17:53

was the best test of that out of

17:58

any of the races we've ever

17:58

done. And the short course and

18:01

it had short course a short

18:01

intro course to Yeah, forgot

18:03

about that part, too.

18:04

So yeah, what

18:04

Haven't you brought it up lap? A

18:07

it looks in people watched on

18:07

video. It looks wide open open

18:11

fields, there's no trees. But if

18:11

you get a foot off a course,

18:15

what's sitting there? You know,

18:17

it's funny

18:17

because, you know, I raced This

18:20

is my third time racing I first

18:20

time I raced was with when I was

18:24

go drive with Doug Jackson. He

18:24

got sick, and I ended up having

18:26

to fill in for him. That was the

18:26

mud race. The first time we ever

18:30

raced out there and there was

18:30

cars sunk to the top of the door

18:33

bars

18:33

Is that the one where it flooded? Also, everyone got you got trapped on one side

18:35

or the other side of the

18:37

entrance because you drive

18:37

through pretty good water

18:39

crossing to get into the park.

18:41

He could I

18:41

mean, the night that, you know

18:45

before when we're supposed to

18:45

have qualifying that that's when

18:47

the tornadoes came through. And

18:47

Brad and I are actually sitting

18:50

in Doug's race trailer and we

18:50

could hear the sirens going off

18:53

and I said, Look, if there's a

18:53

tornado comment, I said, we're

18:56

strapping into the car. And if

18:56

the trailer starts flipping, I'm

19:00

firing it and we're going out of

19:00

the back of this trailer. I was

19:02

like, I think that's the safest

19:02

place we could be because I

19:04

think that's a brilliant idea.

19:07

Yeah, roll cage.

19:08

Exactly. So

19:08

that the next year when I raced

19:11

the car as me being the driver,

19:11

I came up on Shannon Campbell on

19:15

the last lap. And Chetan can

19:15

hear the best. And you know, he

19:20

didn't pay attention to other

19:20

people and I come up behind him.

19:22

He had no brakes. Did the siren

19:22

Brad's like just pass on? Like,

19:26

I'm not getting out of this to

19:26

track because there's going to

19:28

be a Volkswagen it's going to

19:28

take us out. So I nudged Shannon

19:32

Campbell, which probably the

19:32

worst mistake I've ever done in

19:35

my life. He moved over. And he

19:35

returned the favor because he

19:38

thought I was like some pumps

19:38

just seeing me wounded. I'm

19:42

going to show him well. He

19:42

forgot he had no brakes. And he

19:44

came to the back of my car and

19:44

ripped his front wheel off and

19:48

peanut was riding with me and he

19:48

goes, I've never seen you drive

19:51

so fast. And like I won't get

19:51

hit by Shannon Campbell again.

19:53

And I did not want to get out of those two tracks.

19:55

And they had one of the funniest stories I heard out of this race was

19:57

Waylon overshot overshot a turn

20:01

shot off he got kind of high

20:01

centered hit a rock he was Ill

20:04

throw it in reverse and just as

20:04

he's thrown in reverse Brian

20:08

Croft you know is soon to be

20:08

fall brother in law brother in

20:12

law comes with a rise in just

20:12

hits him and he just smokes him

20:16

in the back.

20:17

I I saw the

20:17

aftermath, I thought he blew a

20:20

radiator or something. But what

20:20

he does, I guess he moved a bar

20:24

so I'm going to shorted the

20:24

winch out and it started a fire.

20:27

So when he came by and he had a

20:27

bunch of smoke coming out of the

20:30

front, it looked like radiator

20:30

but it was actually electrical

20:32

fire.

20:33

Oh man see, I didn't know about electrical fire. But that does make sense

20:35

from from what I saw. And then

20:37

Shannon, he didn't have a you

20:37

know, he broke some stuff. It

20:42

was whittled down devil slide to

20:42

I will say this. Ryan Miller

20:46

driving for Bailey completed

20:46

every between Bailey and he

20:51

completed every mile in 4400

20:51

this season.

20:55

That is you

20:55

know, a feat. That was one of my

20:58

goals. And when we were in Moab,

20:58

I had my steering rack lose no

21:02

ring for miles from the finish.

21:02

And it put me out. And I was

21:07

like, man, I just mean granted

21:07

with what happened at this race.

21:10

We wouldn't have made it either.

21:10

But I was I was still on the

21:12

hunt when we were in Moab right

21:12

up to the last lap. And I think

21:16

that says a lot. You know, only

21:16

two people out of I mean, how

21:20

many we haven't hammers over 100

21:20

Yeah, right at 100. So two

21:23

people gleep you know did every

21:23

lap This shows how hard this

21:26

racing is.

21:27

Who was the other car there was another car that did it. It wasn't Bailey

21:28

and Ryan did it in Bailey's car.

21:32

There was another car listed. I

21:32

and Danny was Bailey. Cool. Was

21:36

it Bailey? It was maybe it was

21:36

Bailey. Cool. I don't know. No,

21:40

no, no, no. Well, I don't know.

21:40

Did they count? I guess they're

21:42

not counting Brandon.

21:44

Well, once

21:44

race you know, that's different.

21:48

He went fishing on that one.

21:49

He did you know

21:49

it'd be one that watched the

21:51

qualifying on Friday of the 4400

21:51

race at Nationals. His pit crew

21:56

Awesome. Awesome crew guys I

21:56

mean just outstanding. Travis

22:01

took and put colored cellophane

22:01

I guess over his cow lights. So

22:07

he had read on the passenger

22:07

side green on the driver side.

22:11

So it was like a boat. Yeah,

22:11

right red right returning and so

22:15

beautiful. It was very obvious

22:15

until he fired up the ambers. As

22:20

soon as the amber fog. You know,

22:20

Amber floods came on, right? It

22:23

washed out the red you really

22:23

couldn't tell. But from a side

22:26

angle as the car was going.

22:26

Yeah, it looked like a boat.

22:29

Like you could see the red and

22:29

the green. It was

22:32

that you know,

22:32

I'm glad we could sit here and

22:34

laugh about that because that

22:34

was a very scary event. And he's

22:38

taking it like a champ. And

22:38

there's a lot of different ways

22:42

that outcome you know, could

22:42

have ended in it happened the

22:45

best way but, you know, for us

22:45

to be able to make jokes about

22:48

it and and do that. I think

22:48

that's great because it shows

22:51

the resilience of our guys and

22:51

you know, we keep going any race

22:55

the car the next day.

22:56

Insanity motors

22:56

fine. Yeah, yeah. motors fine.

22:59

Well, let's, uh, I mean,

22:59

granted, last weekend nationals

23:03

was was very good. It's really

23:03

sad to see the 2021 season come

23:08

to a close. I mean, sorry, the

23:08

2020 season coming close. Well,

23:12

I told Dave I was thankful.

23:14

Yeah, right. Like, Hey, I'm in a time warp. Get out of this crap.

23:17

I haven't had to tell Dave after awards, I said, Man, I really you

23:18

Congratulations. I really think

23:22

you guys did a very very good

23:22

job making lemonade out of

23:26

lemons this year has been total

23:26

crap. And based on where all the

23:31

races were scheduled, and Reno

23:31

not being able to let them go

23:35

without more than a week's

23:35

notice and all that that was

23:38

that this team with Ultra4 was

23:38

able to look around and pivot. I

23:43

think that's the key word of

23:43

2020 is pivot when it comes to

23:45

businesses and they did very as

23:45

best as you could and the racers

23:51

stuck through it and showed up

23:51

and you got Moab you got here. I

23:54

think Ultra4 did a great job as

23:54

critical as and I am a person

23:58

who is critical of them. I will

23:58

say that the the timing issues

24:02

and what I saw from USAC I don't

24:02

know if that my stamp of

24:05

approval means anything but I

24:05

did watch the let's say GE issue

24:09

go from beginning to resolution

24:09

and the driver lists he was

24:15

happy with this the outcome they

24:15

was happy the outcome and me I

24:19

got a high level of confidence

24:19

and now what that program looks

24:22

like to make it work and I have

24:22

confidence in it now so where

24:27

I'll tell you I had no

24:27

confidence in timing which makes

24:30

you look like a laughingstock

24:30

and makes you know sponsors and

24:33

companies not believe really

24:33

don't believe the results. You

24:36

know, if if I put my mind behind

24:36

the guy, you know,

24:39

and you want it you know we pay a lot of money to go do this and you

24:41

know, I kind of take 2020 for

24:45

Ultra4 it's kinda like a reset.

24:45

We got to try some things that

24:49

we've never done before. You

24:49

know where we got to go racing

24:52

moabit area bfhi which has been

24:52

typically closed off and so you

24:57

know, we got to try different

24:57

things. nationals in Oklahoma

25:01

Who would have ever thought we

25:01

were going to be racing

25:04

nationals of Oklahoma? To me

25:04

that was an advantage to me over

25:06

Reno because you guys like

25:06

Vaughn getting and Lauren and

25:10

Levi and Shannon Campbell the

25:10

guys have a lot of short course,

25:13

you know, that plays in their

25:13

favor and Reno levels the

25:16

playing field when we got all

25:16

these other things we you know,

25:21

hundred and 10 miles or 105

25:21

miles, whatever it was that

25:24

changes things a lot.

25:26

Absolutely.

25:26

Well, it was good stuff. Well,

25:28

hey, let's say let's get out of

25:28

current affairs real quick and

25:31

jump into the chip show. And

25:31

let's let's talk about you North

25:35

Texas guy. You grew up, I

25:35

believe in the Plano area.

25:39

Is that right?

25:39

I was actually born in Houston.

25:41

I live in Houston till second

25:41

grade and then moved to the

25:44

Plano and that's where I lived

25:44

till I graduated high school

25:48

in that said

25:48

about Houston. So I never really

25:50

said You know, we've met you

25:50

know, so I've known you

25:52

basically from pirate from back

25:52

to the archaic days of pirate

25:57

back in the early 2000s. But

25:57

when right when did we actually

26:00

first meet physically in person,

26:00

it's only been the last couple

26:04

years,

26:05

the first time that you and I were actually in the same place together was at

26:07

Spring Creek and I think it was

26:09

a mohawk race. And I blame you

26:09

for competing against Kelly

26:15

Kaiser on selling or ice drugs

26:15

because you come out of the

26:18

corner net triple nickel car and

26:18

I'm like, how is that dude not

26:21

flip it over? And I went over

26:21

looked I was like, What are

26:23

these ory things and so in my

26:23

brilliant do like Well, I'm

26:27

gonna start selling them. And so

26:27

that's that was

26:30

Oh, oh 90809

26:33

Yeah, that car.

26:33

I remember racing. So we racing

26:37

the hammers oh nine in that car.

26:37

And then the mo rock thing came

26:41

up and they gave me a hard time

26:41

like, hey, this race is

26:44

basically local Houston. I mean,

26:44

for me, I think it was an hour

26:46

drive. Or ish. I can't skip a

26:46

race like that. But I hadn't

26:50

prep the car. The car was still

26:50

exactly how it was a king. And I

26:55

actually timed out I'd actually

26:55

broke the chassis at one. At

26:59

some point we had it welded on

26:59

course. Then Then so when we got

27:03

we got shut down at a

27:03

checkpoint. Well, I drove as

27:07

fast as I drove race speed all

27:07

the way back to main pits and

27:11

put it in the trailer. I was

27:11

pissed off. The car was still in

27:14

great shape except for I broke

27:14

this you know this this chassis

27:17

point? Well, so yeah, we still

27:17

had hammers dust on it. We raced

27:20

it on my rock, but I don't

27:20

remember meeting you there. But

27:23

I do remember it. Oh,

27:24

I don't know if we met you and I were virtual friends and I even had been to

27:26

your house to give you you know,

27:29

deliver a bunch of tubing.

27:31

Yeah, I bought this deal from you. I bought, you know, inch and three quarter

27:33

deal. Yeah.

27:36

And when I had

27:36

Pringle fat, well, I still have

27:38

Pringles Yeah, but that's when I

27:38

actually had my shop. And it

27:40

was funny. Like, I was like, I can't I'm not gonna be there. I can't be

27:42

there like, Oh, it's fine. So my

27:44

wife comes home like there's a

27:44

piles of pipe in our yard. In

27:48

the driveway is like Oh, yeah,

27:48

yeah. Chips been there. No, man.

27:52

But when you when a friend? Yeah,

27:54

yeah, we met

27:54

physically. It was around the

27:57

fire and hammers, I think two years ago.

27:58

Yeah, it so it

27:58

seems crazy that you know,

28:01

what's called a 15 year

28:01

relationship. Online boyfriends.

28:04

You know, online boyfriends you

28:04

always go. It didn't feel like

28:08

you were a stranger to me. It

28:08

was just we just physically

28:10

haven't been in the same room together. It's like, you know, it's like 2020. But zoom calls.

28:14

Exactly. We

28:14

just gave each other crap and

28:16

person has to

28:18

overpower it,

28:18

or Facebook or whatever. It was

28:20

salt. So you were born here in

28:20

Houston. And then you ended up

28:23

up in North Texas? Correct. And

28:23

then you you graduate. Were you

28:27

in Plano during the whole black

28:27

tar heroin.

28:31

Era right

28:31

after me. And, you know, I was

28:34

fortunate I. So I tell people I

28:34

grew up in Plano during the

28:37

week. And in my family. We have

28:37

1000 acres just outside of

28:41

Dallas, near near nocona, Texas.

28:41

So finance school, me and my

28:45

buddies would load up and truck

28:45

and we go in the ranch. So I

28:47

wasn't in Plano a lot during the

28:47

weekend. And, you know, I'm

28:51

thankful for my parents that we

28:51

got that experience where I

28:54

didn't get into the drugs and

28:54

you know, it was bad. I had no I

28:58

was clueless. It happened right

28:58

about the time that I graduated

29:01

and was really bad after I left,

29:01

not because I left

29:04

I hang out in

29:04

college. I dated a girl that was

29:06

uh, that was from Plano and

29:06

that's she, you know, this is

29:10

the late 90s at this point, and

29:10

she brought the whole black tar

29:13

heroin thing up and I was like,

29:13

What are you talking like, you

29:15

know, at that point, small town,

29:15

Kansas paila, Kansas, me and

29:19

Myles and Kelly Kaiser? Like,

29:19

like,

29:21

yeah, that you

29:21

probably should have had some

29:24

black cars.

29:25

It's booming

29:25

metropolis. Now Penn was pretty

29:27

famous. You know, uh, you know,

29:27

there's there's quite actually

29:30

quite a few famous people from

29:30

that little Burg. It's a kind of

29:33

10 a little ridiculous how many

29:33

famous people are from that

29:36

little town but that aside, so

29:36

yeah, your dad, your mom, you

29:39

guys had this ranch north of

29:39

town north of north of the DFW

29:43

Metroplex. And you guys got out

29:43

there all the time, right.

29:46

Yeah, we think

29:46

Dad, Mom and Dad bought it,

29:49

probably, I think was 8283. So I

29:49

was about 10. And, you know, I

29:55

was driving at nine cars and on

29:55

motorcycles at seven So that's

30:00

where we went. And that was our

30:00

haven dad would. The rule was as

30:04

long as we stayed on the ranch,

30:04

we were good. And we push that

30:08

envelope a lot. But there's a

30:08

lot of good things that came

30:11

from that I learned how to weld

30:11

and build things and drive

30:14

tractors. And, you know, I'd say

30:14

they live during the week and

30:18

ranch life on the weekend. And I

30:18

couldn't ask for anything

30:20

better.

30:20

And I mean,

30:20

looking at yourself, and you

30:23

listen to town tank and other

30:23

guys and just known other guys

30:26

and Ultra4 isn't it really crazy

30:26

the parallels that we can draw

30:30

from, like the collective

30:30

stories that are so similar, and

30:35

that the fact that now we're,

30:35

you know, for 30, you know, 2030

30:38

4050, even 60 year old guys out

30:38

racing like that, the parallels,

30:44

they're so similar, like, all on

30:44

dirt bikes. 45678 910, you know,

30:50

farm kids are learning how to

30:50

fix it, or dad was a mechanic

30:53

and teaching us everything. It's

30:53

so insane that you're birds of a

30:57

feather flock together doesn't matter the age. Right?

31:00

Right. You

31:00

know, and that's where, you

31:02

know, like, today's generation,

31:02

I worry is like, we're out on

31:06

the ranch. We didn't have

31:06

internet and TV. I mean, we had

31:10

TV, but on the ranch, we didn't

31:10

have telephones out there. And

31:13

so, you know, you breaks up, but

31:13

you got to figure it out. Might

31:16

not fix it the right way. But

31:16

you know, it got done. And I can

31:19

even think back that chip

31:19

happens way back then by ripping

31:22

barn doors at dad's barn or

31:22

dropping hay bales on the

31:26

highway or, you know, whatever.

31:26

So, I mean, but those are

31:30

valuable lessons. I mean, most

31:30

people learn from making

31:32

mistakes.

31:33

And that's why

31:33

I feel today, man, like my own

31:36

son, you know, I he's not

31:36

experienced in that, you know, I

31:39

left the farm. You know, I got

31:39

away from that I'm living

31:41

suburban American. He knows how

31:41

to swing a baseball bat way

31:45

better than I could. But outside

31:45

of that,

31:48

well, where

31:48

you live and you know, I'm

31:50

familiar with, you know, Sugar

31:50

Land in that area, but the

31:53

hurricanes and things like that.

31:53

Should be a good swimmer and be

31:56

able to rebuild a house. Yeah.

31:56

Have y'all been hit by a

31:59

hurricane?

32:00

Or get it

32:00

roofing? How crazy is this?

32:03

We're today is 1028 when we're

32:03

recording this, you know, to a

32:06

couple days for Halloween? Yo,

32:06

you guys are gonna listen to

32:08

this MC Well, obviously last

32:08

week, a hurricane came ashore.

32:14

Two hours ago, Southeast in New

32:14

Orleans. Yeah. How nuts is that?

32:20

hurricane Zaida? Yeah, it was a

32:20

cat two even. That's

32:23

Yeah, you

32:23

know, I left. I mean, kind of

32:26

jumping around a little bit. I

32:26

left Plano right after high

32:29

school ended up at a&m and

32:29

Galveston for a couple years.

32:31

But ultimately, I ended up in

32:31

New Orleans and graduated

32:34

University in New Orleans for in

32:34

spent 10 years there. And, you

32:39

know, here I'm reading this week

32:39

on Facebook, you know, one of

32:42

their turbines power turbines

32:42

has gone down. That means it

32:45

can't run all the pumps. So you

32:45

know, they're closing the

32:48

floodgates and stuff today and

32:48

granted it's only a cat two but

32:52

you know bourbon streets I think

32:52

six or eight foot below sea

32:54

level. So the rest of the areas

32:54

around there I mean, work the

32:59

Hurricanes Katrina and you know

32:59

with my job I've been all the

33:03

hurricane you know, rescued

33:03

stuff and seen some pretty scary

33:07

things over cat to Hurricane go

33:07

on and on. And that's kind of

33:10

scary to me. That's living there

33:10

now.

33:13

It kept catoosa

33:13

you know, up to 115 miles an

33:16

hour. I mean, that's what that's

33:16

all that will mess something up.

33:20

Yeah, it's not

33:20

really the the winds it's you

33:24

know, Norland it's all about the

33:24

flooding.

33:26

Oh, that's what

33:26

it was. storm surge man. Yeah,

33:30

just push pushes all the way to

33:30

Mississippi. And then everything

33:33

there the punch train and

33:33

everything there in the swamps

33:36

around there. Yeah, something

33:36

else, man. Well, I will see what

33:39

tomorrow looks like for those guys. But

33:41

yeah, Doug Jackson will be busy with Operation airdrop, and which is

33:43

just a cool organization. And,

33:49

you know, started because of the hurricanes. We've been a part of that. And so I'm here to talk to

33:51

him tomorrow. See what see what

33:55

we can do.

33:56

Yeah, so I

33:56

absolutely gonna go and do the

33:59

philanthropy work of, of chip,

33:59

because that's a full line item

34:03

of the things that you've done

34:03

and that you do and you do on a

34:06

regular basis. But uh, I'll jump

34:06

into Uh, yeah, man. Ed, your

34:11

wife, you guys, both cancer

34:11

survivors. Yes, sir. Right.

34:16

think she's five years.

34:19

She 911 was

34:19

her five year anniversary of

34:22

being cancer free from stage

34:22

three breast cancer.

34:26

And then she did she have the double mastectomy?

34:29

Yeah, she she

34:29

only had to have one But okay,

34:32

it was safer to go ahead and

34:32

just do both and have

34:36

reconstructive and Ms. She had a

34:36

hell of a fight chemo and

34:40

radiation. And it was a it was a

34:40

hard battle. And through though,

34:45

and then out of

34:45

that, though, she refused. If I

34:48

heard the story here, right now,

34:48

I could obviously you know,

34:50

Brad, you know, he's my

34:50

background guy, you know, and so

34:53

and so and there's some other

34:53

bill that may be wrong here, but

34:55

you guys got engaged, but then

34:55

she refused to marry you if she

34:59

didn't have hair. Correct. I

34:59

love this woman. Well let

35:03

you know it

35:03

was one of the things she went

35:06

bought a wig when she first got

35:06

it, and I looked at it, I'm

35:08

like, that's just horrible.

35:08

Don't wear that wig. It. She was

35:12

the most beautiful bald person

35:12

I've ever met in my life. And

35:15

she rocked it. I mean, we go to

35:15

concerts or whatever, and she'd

35:19

get freaked out because people

35:19

would touch her head. It was

35:21

like weird for them. You know,

35:21

she owned it. And, you know,

35:25

that was our fight. We made it

35:25

very public. I was even at

35:29

Nationals. I had gone up there

35:29

to support the twisting monkey

35:32

guys, and Lauren and Shannon and

35:32

Bailey Campbell. And we got all

35:38

the racers to go through. And we

35:38

made a video over because she

35:41

couldn't come up there. She just

35:41

had a double mastectomy and

35:43

everyone wished her well. It was

35:43

a pretty cool emotional video

35:47

just to have all the Ultra4

35:47

people support her and we took

35:51

an Ultra4 shirt and everybody

35:51

signed it. And she came back and

35:55

cried when we gave it to her.

35:55

She's got it in her Memory Box

35:57

today.

35:58

That's our

35:58

family, right? Yeah. That's, uh,

36:00

we got to take care of each

36:00

other. So you got you guys

36:03

getting married. You know how

36:03

many years ago is this now?

36:05

Three years ago.

36:06

So we got married three and a half years ago. We plan the whole wedding

36:08

in like two weeks. We're driving

36:12

back from Houston. My daughter

36:12

lives down in Houston. She's

36:15

like, Alright, I'm ready. I'm

36:15

like, for what? She has to get

36:17

married. I'm like, Don't tease

36:17

me. It was like, you know, she

36:21

could just pick the date. Well,

36:21

April Fool's Day was two weeks

36:23

later. So we get married on

36:23

April Fool's Day, which is

36:26

pretty fitting for you.

36:27

Right? Yeah.

36:27

Spot on.

36:30

And then know

36:30

if there was a real wedding or

36:33

if it could come casual or get

36:33

married on the ranch. It was

36:36

quite entertaining. And I even

36:36

made it look like I got arrested

36:39

on our wedding day. And most

36:39

people saw through it. But if

36:43

you didn't, if you didn't like my mother,

36:46

and then what

36:46

was the point where you were

36:49

diagnosed with prostate cancer?

36:51

So we got

36:51

married April 1, I don't have I

36:53

was talking about the

36:53

hurricanes. I was loading my

36:56

truck up with the I was gonna

36:56

borrow boat and I was coming

36:59

down to Houston to help with a

36:59

hurricane and all the names. So

37:04

was this 17 for Harvey? Yep,

37:04

goes for Harvey. That's exactly

37:08

what it was. And I'm loading at

37:08

seven o'clock in the morning and

37:11

in my doctor called. And he was

37:11

like, hey, I need you to come

37:15

in. I'm like, dude, I'm I'm

37:15

leaving. I'm headed Houston to

37:18

go help recovery because you

37:18

have cancer. You I was hoping

37:22

that I was calling tell you, you

37:22

didn't have it, but you really

37:25

need to come in. And that was a

37:25

probably one of the worst days

37:30

of my life turned out well, and

37:30

so I just postponed my, my drip

37:36

two days. And that's actually

37:36

when Doug Jackson and I and a

37:40

number of other people came up

37:40

with the operation airdrop was

37:43

that week.

37:44

And before we

37:44

close out the you know, close

37:48

out the cancer thing. All of

37:48

this because, you know the

37:51

philanthropy in operation

37:51

airdrop is super important to me

37:53

as well as the you guys went

37:53

through, you know, uni gone

37:58

through divorces and you know,

37:58

just adversity upon adversity

38:03

and in the fact that you guys

38:03

find each other finding love,

38:06

you know, in your 40s is hard. I

38:06

mean, the dating scene in the

38:10

way, by the way, mounting the

38:10

scene, the way that people date

38:14

today and meet people day is

38:14

just it's frickin foreign to me.

38:17

Like Yeah, it's insane. It's

38:17

like if it's, it's online only,

38:21

like if it's weird, like I think

38:21

you met at like a Mexican food

38:24

restaurant. But that's, that is

38:24

like a minority story today.

38:28

Like that doesn't happen.

38:29

It's not magic

38:29

calm or, you know, any of these

38:32

other dating websites. I was

38:32

innocently sitting came into a

38:37

bar and the rest of the bar at

38:37

the restaurant, and she was in

38:41

category and we were talking to

38:41

the waiter who knew the

38:45

bartender knew both of us and

38:45

juice all stories about her

38:48

daughter and her and I just

38:48

started talking and that's where

38:52

it went. So it was what three

38:52

that was in 13th 2013.

38:56

Was she

38:56

involved at all in ultra light

38:59

novel for just off with off

38:59

roading? Did she GPG anything or

39:03

did you just this just freshly

39:03

plucked her out of the her like

39:08

out of out of gin pop? You

39:08

plucked her I remember during

39:12

that

39:12

time I took

39:12

her for a ride my car, she's

39:15

like you do What? And I took her

39:15

for a ride and we're out the

39:18

ranch and I went to go up this

39:18

ledge and she goes, we're going

39:21

up that my gal she screamed, and

39:21

she's like, I want to do that

39:24

again. I said well cool, because

39:24

we're going to dirt Riot

39:28

nationals in Bridgeport in a

39:28

couple weeks. So I took her to

39:31

that. And this is a funny story

39:31

and I'm going to get a lot of

39:33

trouble for telling the story.

39:33

We just met pipe date a couple

39:37

months, three months, Brad and I

39:37

are in my old Jimmy's football

39:40

four car with our eyes, racing

39:40

bridge board and I have an

39:46

issue. I didn't hook up the

39:46

steam ports on the LS motor

39:49

correctly. I just kept them off.

39:49

They had no idea that you had to

39:52

reroute that stuff. I mean,

39:52

that's how far back we go. So

39:56

I'm walking around the pits and she's sitting there reading a book of all things and Got

39:58

sunglasses on and I see her eyes

40:01

over sunglasses as she's

40:01

watching somebody walk by. And I

40:05

watch it and I'm laughing is

40:05

Andrew McLaughlin Andrews

40:07

walking. He's got no shirt on

40:07

back when Andrew was working

40:10

out. I'm like, What are you

40:10

doing?

40:14

She's nothing.

40:16

McGlothin and

40:16

I'm like, Look, I spell my last

40:19

name the right way with ma si.

40:19

He spells it wrong. It's MC. So

40:22

you got to be with me. So that

40:22

was our first race ever was it

40:27

out there dirt ride in Bridgeport finals.

40:29

Because always fun those stories funny when you know, you've talked to a guy who

40:31

brings a spouse now spouse or

40:36

fiance or whatever, and they had

40:36

nothing to do with anything off

40:39

road and then like, wait, you

40:39

get in your truck and trailer

40:42

and you drive to California race

40:42

and then you go to Pennsylvania

40:45

and race and then you go to

40:45

UCLA? Who does that?

40:48

Yeah, exactly.

40:48

And what was even funnier is,

40:52

you know, last year we go out,

40:52

you know what, Doug Jackson keep

40:55

bringing Doug's name up. But

40:55

Doug and I and Brad and Sandy

40:59

and Andrew mcglothlin, and his

40:59

wife and Chris Shaw from access

41:03

and all this. wriggle out down

41:03

to the

41:06

bailing. Yeah,

41:06

you guys were sailing together.

41:08

You might have been given me some antics to upset. People repeat, but I kept

41:10

telling us what she's like, we

41:15

just stopped telling that story.

41:15

Because Andrew and his wife were

41:18

there. And like, of course, I'm

41:18

gonna tell a story. It was

41:20

great.

41:21

Made Andrews

41:21

day, Port 80. Now, uh, yeah,

41:24

well, I mean, we'll bounce to

41:24

that. Well, you anyone that

41:28

listens to this and knows me. I

41:28

love the sailing. I have no idea

41:33

why, or how it's just, it's now

41:33

I feel like it's my thing. And I

41:38

owe it all to Doug Jackson. I

41:38

owe it all over for you know,

41:41

like our group, our family. You

41:41

know, I've shared a boat with

41:44

Dave Cole and his ex wife. So

41:44

I've

41:46

Well, we owe a

41:46

lot of the rules because of you

41:50

and Dave Cole and Shannon

41:50

Campbell and Terry Madden and

41:55

play dance in the side of the

41:55

boat. And, you know, yeah, we

41:59

got shut down a bunch. Because

41:59

like, Hey, I know what group you

42:02

came from.

42:03

Oh, yeah, I

42:03

know the genesis of where you

42:05

came from. So yeah, the last

42:05

time we were down there, we took

42:08

a bunch of folks from my

42:08

neighborhood. And one thing we

42:11

did in just vandyke in the bvis

42:11

swim over at night, little

42:18

little SEAL Team 40 Plus, yep,

42:18

little roll of duct tape. And

42:23

you know where the bow lines

42:23

come down off either side of the

42:26

of the of the catamaran and they

42:26

go through a more involved so

42:30

it's one rope from one side the

42:30

boat goes down to the more

42:33

inbound comes back up and the boat just kind of stays there. mord up. Well, what we did was

42:35

pulled those lines together for

42:40

about 18 inches and wrapped duct

42:40

tape around them right at the

42:43

ball. Yeah, so so so this is

42:43

this is this is pretty sweet.

42:48

Like Well, what exactly that is

42:48

just duct tape. Well, in the

42:51

morning when they got on there,

42:51

the two got two guys walked up

42:54

and they just undo it off the

42:54

cleats and they throw the rope

42:58

to get off the morning ball and

42:58

guess what that rope takes it

43:02

back go back go through the

43:02

eyelet slick still right there

43:05

still hung

43:06

up. You gave

43:06

me that idea and we had a the

43:10

night before you gave me that

43:10

idea to do that to Doug and we

43:13

actually had snuck on their

43:13

boat. Clay Gill strap was down

43:17

there Chris Shaw. They were on

43:17

this boat we had gotten on their

43:21

boat while they were eating

43:21

dinner installed Melinda

43:24

Jackson's amen flag. Oh, get off

43:24

our boat, put it on our sail and

43:32

went back and we're very obvious

43:32

and they're like, Oh, we caught

43:34

you. You're not getting away with anything. I'm like, you have no idea what we've done.

43:36

And yeah, it's the prank wars

43:40

out there just as bad as Kingdom

43:40

hammers.

43:44

Yeah, exactly.

43:44

Yeah, somewhere in there. They

43:47

get their cell phone they get

43:47

they're circling back to Yeah,

43:50

the the Cancer man, you guys

43:50

went through like this massive

43:53

amount of adversity, you know,

43:53

with with marriage and kids and

43:58

putting together the, the Brady

43:58

Bunch with your kids and EDS

44:02

kids and then her going through

44:02

cancer and you being you know,

44:06

the rock for her through that.

44:06

And then you also getting

44:09

cancer. I mean, cancer. I mean,

44:09

that's the only word but cancer.

44:13

Yeah.

44:13

It's like we

44:13

couldn't get away from it. And

44:16

internet. It was bad news. It

44:16

was rough on us. And I mean,

44:19

actually only we almost took our

44:19

marriage. I mean, I can't say I

44:22

can't blame it on cancer, but

44:22

just the emotions and the

44:26

physical changes for both of us.

44:26

I mean, it's it's, it's not a

44:29

pretty disease. I'd like to

44:29

find, you know, here that they

44:32

find a cure for it. I was

44:32

fortunate that I caught mine

44:36

early on accident. I have ADD

44:36

and take medicine and they found

44:40

out my bloodwork. I had no

44:40

symptoms and you know they're

44:45

like okay, we're gonna do a biopsy and I'll call you in a week and say, yeah, you don't

44:47

have cancer. Well, they caught

44:51

me in a week and said not only

44:51

do you have cancer, we got to

44:53

get you in like now and I ended

44:53

up having stage two prostate

44:57

cancer. The youngest one of my

44:57

doctors ever diagnosed

45:00

Oh man

45:02

48 said, I

45:02

guess the most powerful thing he

45:05

told me in the recovery part of

45:05

it, you know, I guess the when

45:10

you're 50 is when you're supposed to get your prostate checked. But you know, that's

45:12

the kind of the Golden Age. He

45:15

goes, if you would have waited

45:15

like, doctors tell you he was

45:18

you wouldn't have made it. And

45:18

that was pretty eye opening

45:21

sobering to hear.

45:23

I mean, meant there was a reason, right? There's something you hear about

45:25

those. I mean, somebody

45:29

somebody's kind of looking out

45:29

for you. You guys have now been

45:32

together. How long you been

45:32

married? I think I asked you

45:34

sorry. But three and a half

45:34

years? Yeah, three and a half

45:36

years. Yeah. But you've been

45:36

together a lot longer than that.

45:39

That's a, that's something else.

45:39

And we've seen Ed this weekend.

45:43

Good times. She is definitely

45:43

fun. She keeps you a she keeps

45:46

you square content. I say

45:46

attempts to I shouldn't say she

45:51

does.

45:51

She tries her best. I mean, she's short. But she's mighty. As I say,

45:55

here's the

45:55

thing that shocked me about you.

45:57

And I would have never guessed

45:57

it that you are a mechanical

46:00

engineer.

46:01

I am, you have

46:01

an ni. The funny part is is I

46:05

didn't go get my mechanical

46:05

engineering degree to be an

46:08

engineer. I wanted to understand

46:08

how things worked, and how I

46:12

could build things. Personally,

46:12

I knew I didn't have the

46:16

mentality, sit on a desk and be

46:16

an engineer. And it was

46:20

something I wanted to prove to

46:20

myself and it was a hell of a

46:24

ride, try to do it. It took me

46:24

six, seven years to get it. I

46:27

don't test Well, you know, in

46:27

the classroom settings, where

46:30

I'm sitting next to guys, and

46:30

they're inventing formulas to

46:32

come up with stuff. But now my

46:32

senior design project was some

46:37

called the mini baja and I had

46:37

to float. Well, all these genius

46:40

engineers that I'm friends with,

46:40

didn't know how to weld or put a

46:45

wheel on, you know, and so we're

46:45

sharing a shop with like, the

46:48

electrical engineers, they're

46:48

building a solar car. Well,

46:51

guess who built their solar car?

46:51

I mean, they did all the

46:54

connections and solar panels and

46:54

all that, but they didn't know

46:57

what breaks, how to pick up

46:57

brakes, or do a K drive or

47:01

whatever, or bleed them or any

47:01

of that exactly, or drive it.

47:05

So you were the guy, right?

47:07

It was me and a couple other guys that had the same mindset that I'm still

47:09

friends with today. You know,

47:12

that was like a just a personal

47:12

goal for myself in net, you

47:16

know, I kept telling myself when

47:16

I got out of school, I'm never

47:19

going into oil gas. And I'm

47:19

never going to be an engineer.

47:21

So my first job right out of

47:21

school was an engineer in oil

47:25

gas at ExxonMobil. And shell

47:25

met. And I was designing

47:29

pipelines. And I was bored.

47:29

Thank God, I got laid off from

47:32

that job nine months later, and

47:32

I went into sales after that.

47:36

And that's what I did for 20 years. But on the electrical side, which is the more

47:38

entertaining part of what all

47:40

mechanical sudden,

47:41

but still an oil and gas though.

47:43

Yeah. And I

47:43

was an oil and gas probably till

47:47

about a year ago, actually, five

47:47

years. You're why I'm back in

47:52

Dallas. I actually was a water

47:52

resource engineer. I built

47:54

pipelines and frac tanks and

47:54

recycle plants out in West Texas

47:58

for an oil gas plant or took a

47:58

dive got laid off again and went

48:02

back into sales. And then a year

48:02

ago a workers AMD and here we

48:07

are now

48:07

and here we are

48:07

now. Yeah, so uh, yeah, I'm an

48:11

oil and gas myself. And I think

48:11

everyone kind of knows that you

48:14

can't you almost can't be in

48:14

Houston and not in it. And yeah,

48:17

it's a people ask me when I've

48:17

had these discussions and like

48:20

you, I'm like, Yeah, I mean, I

48:20

lived every every day of my

48:24

professional career life, expect

48:24

it to be my last day with that

48:28

job. Like every single day. You

48:28

don't? You don't know. And so

48:32

will you don't keep personal

48:32

effects at work or things like

48:35

that. Like, I mean,

48:37

you know, my

48:37

area's oil and gas thing is

48:39

funny because I'm an oil and gas

48:39

now I run a construction company

48:42

for zandy. You know, that's why

48:42

I do my day job. And oddly

48:45

enough, we're building. We're

48:45

almost done with it. We're

48:47

helping build a hospital in

48:47

Pecos, Texas. And so I went out

48:51

there to go visit the job site.

48:51

And that was the day that oil

48:54

went with negative $30 minus 30.

48:54

And I'm like, in Pecos, Texas

49:00

that day, and you know, with

49:00

COVID and everything shut down.

49:04

I'm like, I just don't know how

49:04

we're gonna survive this

49:07

yet. COVID was

49:07

just starting to come on. So

49:10

this was we were in February,

49:10

when it was February the 21st

49:16

24th. And are in there. And

49:16

COVID it was a it was a topic of

49:20

discussion, but nothing had

49:20

really been shut down yet for

49:23

for me COVID didn't become real.

49:23

For a few more weeks. We were We

49:28

were in West Palm Beach,

49:28

Florida. Houston. Astros spring

49:32

training is Astros vs nationals.

49:32

And it was the last preseason

49:37

game that Major League Baseball

49:37

played for the Astros played in

49:40

Major League Baseball. They shut

49:40

down spring training the next

49:43

day, but we are sitting there in

49:43

the stands. Houston livestock

49:46

show and rodeo is going on. You

49:46

know, this town shuts down for

49:49

Houston laughs Oh, it's it's

49:49

glorious. It's so it's it's

49:55

three weeks of chaos and

49:55

coolness and Everybody wearing

50:01

cowboy hats and boots no matter

50:01

what it is, and if you're at

50:04

work and you're like, Hey, I got

50:04

to go, Hey, I got to go work my

50:07

shift or whatever, because

50:07

you're a volunteer for it like

50:10

your bosses like, see you

50:10

tomorrow.

50:13

Yeah, well, the most likely the boss was probably there too.

50:16

Yeah, no,

50:16

that's exactly that's exactly it

50:18

as well. So, so yeah, we're

50:18

sitting my wife and I are

50:21

sitting in the stands with our

50:21

kids in West Palm Beach. And we

50:23

get that text. The notification

50:23

that they've shut down. They

50:27

closed Houston livestock show

50:27

and rodeo for coven. Right Whoa,

50:30

whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we

50:30

missing? This Whoa, you don't

50:34

shut that thing down. Like what

50:34

are we missing and yeah, I guess

50:38

we've missed a lot so we freaked

50:38

out a little bit we finished our

50:41

vacation came back but yeah, no.

50:41

So you're in Pecos which is the

50:44

Delaware basin they kind of the

50:44

current you know for Houston

50:49

West you know me for Texas oil

50:49

and gas. It is your west of what

50:52

your Western no trees be

50:52

exactly.

50:57

On the way here, nobody's out here smile.

50:59

And you're a little bit you know, little Well, no, not even not even

51:01

really east. You're straight

51:03

north of where do we have the

51:03

ultra for race out on I 10.

51:08

Now that was in. That was right near El Paso.

51:11

laco a lot. locker checks. Yeah.

51:14

bunco tech,

51:15

Sierra Blanca, Sierra Blanca,

51:17

one of the

51:17

coolest races ever and I wish we

51:21

could go back and there's a lot

51:21

of issues with that. But that

51:23

was one of the most fun.

51:23

Everybody races outside of the

51:27

race with the sheriff and all

51:27

the things the shenanigans that

51:31

went on. It was just crazy.

51:32

Yeah, that Sheriff he bragged about he'd arrested Willie Nelson right

51:34

because it's the

51:36

yeah yeah. And

51:36

he had the those stickers that

51:40

said Don't be a pussy if you

51:40

didn't jump the the city street

51:44

because we're coming down the creek and you'd have to go through the church parking lot

51:46

jump the street. And I think it

51:51

was one of the Gomez brothers

51:51

they cartwheel off of it. Play

51:54

gills trap. But funny story

51:54

about this play. Gilstrap had a

51:57

steering problem. So he rolled

51:57

over the street. This is when I

52:01

was riding with Doug Jackson. I

52:01

was co driving. The sheriff

52:04

comes wandering our camp because

52:04

you play Neal strap. Yes, sir.

52:09

Figures good. I put a sticker on

52:09

your cars to go ahead. It was

52:12

Doug's car. So but at the same time, that's

52:15

when the memories kind of fuzzy on

52:18

this, but I think it was one of

52:20

Shannon Campbell's guys, he

52:20

should have gone over to Shannon

52:23

Campbell's camp, and one of his

52:23

guys stole the sheriff's truck.

52:28

And the sheriff pulled them out

52:28

of the car, put them in

52:30

handcuffs and said I tell you what, I'm gonna make you a deal. I'm gonna give you 30 seconds.

52:32

You can run or I can take you to

52:36

jail. That dude took off running

52:36

and that the sheriff started

52:39

just laughing cuz man I'm just messing with He's like, come back. I'll take them off. But

52:41

that was a cool, it was a cool

52:44

deal because the whole town like

52:44

shut down for us. I mean, we

52:47

started on Main Street in

52:47

downtown like on asphalt and

52:51

nobody thought that you're

52:51

talking about timing issues.

52:54

Nobody thought the timers were

52:54

working. I mean, I think Shannon

52:56

Campbell got clocked at 120

52:56

going down the asphalt after he

53:00

went under the ITN bridge I went

53:00

back and looked at all that

53:03

thing and I'm gonna tell you

53:03

those timers were right on

53:07

he's getting

53:07

after it. Yeah, that was in the

53:09

course ran right next to Mexico

53:09

like you could you could walk

53:12

across the border from Texas to

53:12

Mexico drew

53:15

Andrew mcglothlin got out of his race car walked across the river in

53:17

took a picture said I'm in

53:21

Mexico and then he walked back

53:23

Yes, that's

53:23

exactly how we were on the

53:25

border. And we'll talk about

53:25

well you need you need a border

53:28

fence and border walls and all

53:28

stuff well it's so remote it's

53:31

so rule I mean there's almost no

53:31

way to defend it no way to put

53:35

it out there and it's no

53:37

and I think that was one of those deals I think it was Matt howl and Adam

53:39

shear they had a problem with

53:42

their car. And so they're like

53:42

okay, we're just gonna go on a

53:45

service road and drive it back

53:45

to Pitts well the service road

53:48

was under construction. They

53:48

ended up on it and in the race

53:51

car with our helmets and had to

53:51

go through customs check.

53:56

Yes, the Border Patrol check.

53:57

Yeah, it was

53:57

the greatest I mean, I think he

53:59

had a GoPro or someone that the

53:59

video is classic.

54:02

We didn't get

54:02

that up. I've not seen video of

54:04

that, but I knew the story. Yeah,

54:06

maybe my memory is going bad. I think there's video of it. Maybe it's

54:08

just in my mind because I can

54:10

picture those two goofballs

54:10

doing that

54:13

and you know

54:13

and some of the funny that will

54:15

not funny cool I find it super

54:15

cool is not the part where Matt

54:20

how has retired from racing.

54:20

That's not the cool part. I get

54:24

I get it though. I walked that

54:24

same path myself. But the Dawson

54:27

Ellington bought his car and

54:27

raced it this past weekend. So

54:31

it's very baby g bracing. I

54:31

think maybe Jeep racing. What

54:34

was Matt's car the 45 1045 Danya

54:34

4510 Eric Thomas, it reminds me

54:39

a super Dave Osborne. That's so

54:39

yeah, I don't know what it's

54:41

supposed to be. But it reminds

54:41

me a super Dave Osborne

54:44

is he always I

54:44

mean just like his hair. His car

54:46

was always polished. Maybe

54:46

wrecked the corner. I mean, they

54:50

would replace the corner. I mean

54:50

that car look showroom every

54:53

time I showed up to the race every time

54:55

beautiful car

54:55

Dawson Ellington and you got a

54:58

good car man. It was good to see

54:58

you races. We can catch up with

55:01

you. So So yeah, so we're

55:01

talking about you know, West

55:03

Texas Pecos Sierra Blanca racing

55:03

out there. Oil and Gas but now

55:08

you went to work for for zandy

55:08

How did you meet Suzanne? He's

55:13

kind of the like I said the

55:13

figurehead, the guy over Rufus

55:16

racing. And then he he's got a

55:16

handful of different businesses.

55:19

But how did you end Zandi flange

55:19

up?

55:23

It's kind of

55:23

weird. I mean, you go we on up

55:26

and Clayton and up in Oklahoma

55:26

and drink beer with people and

55:29

you know, I've met some of my

55:29

best friends out there, you

55:32

know, doing this stuff. And one

55:32

of our buddies Logan, we call

55:36

them Lulu. You know, Logan, God

55:36

zandu come out to King and

55:39

hammers the last year that I

55:39

raised with hammer. So that had

55:42

to be with Doug with now had to

55:42

be 18. And he came out and want

55:49

to see what this whole king of

55:49

hammers thing was about. And he

55:52

came home, he doesn't, I want to

55:52

buy a car. Well, he bought a car

55:55

and I talked him into Doug's and

55:55

walk them through the whole

55:58

deal. And I knew the car and

55:58

knew he was getting a good car.

56:02

He's like, Alright, anytime I

56:02

drive it, I'm like, I put my

56:05

hand up. I'm like, I'll drive

56:05

it. I'll show you how to do this

56:07

stuff. I've been around a long

56:07

time, you know, long enough. You

56:10

know, so we start doing so we started going to different races. It was just me racing

56:12

with Brad in the car. And I was

56:15

an oil and gas deal. But I was

56:15

taking a lot of time off from

56:19

work. And it got to the point

56:19

where I was taking advantage of

56:22

things and I think it was when

56:22

we were down in Mexico. Down in

56:26

San Felipe Bay. I'm like, Look,

56:26

you know, we want to keep doing

56:30

this. You know, you got the

56:30

staffing company. I know on gas

56:34

when we started on gas side of

56:34

it. It was man, I sounds like a

56:37

great idea. Well, that turned

56:37

into me being in the race shop

56:41

for eight months. But you know,

56:41

that's kind of how it started.

56:44

Because then we bought

56:44

nightmare, which was unexpected.

56:47

And then we bought whackers car,

56:47

which was even more than

56:50

expected. So we show up at King

56:50

and hammers and we've got our

56:53

three cars. I didn't know which

56:53

car was going to race whackers

56:55

or Doug's old car. And he had

56:55

nightmare and then we had the

57:00

guys pit justice and the guys

57:00

from Australia that have Daryl

57:03

Gray's old car which was Lauren

57:03

healy's winning quarterback, and

57:07

12, we think, and we decided to

57:07

build these razors to go pre

57:11

running, which turned into a

57:11

Hey, I'm faster than you between

57:14

zanny Nye. So we ended those in

57:14

the king of the hammers. You

57:19

know, so for eight months, I was

57:19

in the shop, I had a broken back

57:22

in the middle of that. And, you

57:22

know, we're coming back from

57:26

hammers this year. And he goes,

57:26

man, this shits expensive. He

57:29

goes, we keep doing this. We

57:29

gotta, we gotta go make some

57:32

money. I'm like, Alright, well, you want me to do he goes, here's a company wants to go run

57:34

it. So I run Eagle earthworks,

57:37

which is a dirt construction

57:37

company. And COVID hit and I'm

57:42

gonna tell you on our side, go

57:42

It was a blessing for us because

57:46

we haven't stopped. I mean,

57:46

because people were at home. We

57:48

were regrading yards and

57:48

companies were, you know,

57:52

rethinking what they're doing.

57:52

And to me, it was just easy. I

57:54

could roll down the highway at

57:54

30,000 pounds and nobody jumping

57:57

out in front of me in DFW and

57:57

get through town in 45 minutes

58:00

or three hours. Yeah, it is

58:00

awesome. So that was a that's

58:05

kind of how that whole thing

58:05

worked. And, you know, we're

58:07

still kicking today.

58:09

So that is

58:09

solid. Yeah. And then. So then

58:12

Zandi has even some some further

58:12

further things because I mean,

58:17

we're back up just a little bit.

58:17

So you guys invited me out to

58:20

text Plex to Midlothian. There

58:20

was another race going on that

58:24

weekend. I don't remember what was going on.

58:26

So is it. They

58:26

had a bunch of UTV races and

58:29

zanni. And I wanted to see time.

58:29

So I went and talked to the

58:32

guys. I said, Hey, why don't you

58:32

list run a 4400 class? And

58:37

they're like, okay, and they'd

58:37

seen us out there practicing. So

58:41

I set this race up for it's just

58:41

a test engine. And I ended up

58:45

two weeks before that, crushing

58:45

my hand and couldn't drive. So

58:50

Brad, my wonderful co driver,

58:50

he's like, I'll drive as he

58:53

always does. I think we had five

58:53

cars. It was Andy Brad. Cody St.

58:58

Clair Jagan. That's right, it

58:58

was only four cars. It was kind

59:03

of cool to show a different,

59:03

something different than utvs.

59:06

Down there. It's short course

59:06

race. And that's when you came

59:09

down there.

59:09

So I actually

59:09

had it on my calendar. Because

59:12

last in January, they put out

59:12

this that Texas pre runner

59:15

calendar for that for that

59:15

place, and that was going to be

59:18

a prerunner weekend. So I had on

59:18

my calendar and every single

59:21

time that pre wear weekend was

59:21

going to happen either I had

59:24

something or poured down rain.

59:26

Yep. So that

59:26

prerunner course goes through

59:28

all kinds of creeks,

59:29

and it was

59:29

always muddy. So yeah, I'm like,

59:32

Well, you know what, I'm

59:32

committing my son. I was like,

59:35

You know what, we're gonna go I

59:35

you been in conversations you

59:38

regularly with with 100 Miller,

59:38

who is the king of the hammers

59:41

UTV champ from this past year

59:41

and getting the very far from us

59:45

either. No, yeah, right. He's up

59:45

in your neck of the woods, him

59:47

and his brother and then, uh,

59:47

you know, the heart and I mean,

59:51

there's so many great racers in

59:51

that area that were, you know,

59:55

Kyle Cheney, who RJ Anderson was

59:55

there. It's a legit suit. And so

2:00:01

they had the prix runner thing

2:00:01

going on that day that they

2:00:04

canceled because it rained it

2:00:04

you know I when I left Houston

2:00:06

it was pouring down rain it

2:00:06

didn't stop raining until we got

2:00:09

somewhere north of waco and then

2:00:09

we got there and I was like okay

2:00:12

if the premier thing is going on

2:00:12

I am not doing it. I can't

2:00:15

believe how muddy my truck got

2:00:15

just in the parking lot like it

2:00:18

was just a slop and that thing

2:00:18

you know, it's it is a tool

2:00:21

drive but with you know, full

2:00:21

locker rear. It amazingly goes

2:00:25

pretty deep

2:00:26

in mud, like

2:00:26

so I just remembered when you

2:00:28

and I met in person, that's when

2:00:28

you debuted that truck King and

2:00:31

hammers and you got it stuck in

2:00:31

the sand. Oh, yeah.

2:00:34

Barry fucker.

2:00:34

Oh, yeah. Pretty much every time

2:00:38

I've stopped that truck and

2:00:38

sand. I've

2:00:41

done it don't stop.

2:00:43

Well, that's that's the key. But you know, yeah, that always worked out,

2:00:45

you know, best laid plans.

2:00:48

Right? So yeah, we came up

2:00:48

there. And you and you guys were

2:00:51

doing this, like, I'm gonna call

2:00:51

ultra forks. But what is? No,

2:00:55

no, that's not the right word.

2:00:55

exhibition or just exhibition.

2:00:59

That's the right word. Wow, I

2:00:59

had to dig that one out. But no

2:01:02

Hunter Hunter been trying to get

2:01:02

my son to come up to basically,

2:01:06

you know, he's a baseball

2:01:06

player. But I really would like

2:01:09

you to race and every time I

2:01:09

come to an event, just like

2:01:11

this, and hey, we need to get

2:01:11

another car. Well, I'm gonna

2:01:13

probably get another car when my

2:01:13

13 year old decides he wants to

2:01:17

race and right now he's all into

2:01:17

baseball. So Hunter is like,

2:01:21

Listen, he won't fit in any of

2:01:21

the smaller cars. We're gonna do

2:01:24

this naturally aspirated 1000

2:01:24

class, he's perfect for

2:01:27

bringing. So this little dude,

2:01:27

he's the third. I think he's

2:01:32

only 12 at that point, but now

2:01:32

he's 13 now, and those. He has

2:01:36

national champions. Now, yo

2:01:36

cannamd sponsored factory

2:01:40

drivers, right twisting his arm

2:01:40

and telling him you need to do

2:01:44

this. Yeah, it's go time. And

2:01:44

he's like, No, he didn't get it.

2:01:48

And you know, maybe in the

2:01:48

future is someday we'll you

2:01:50

know, he'll look back and be

2:01:50

like, wow, I had like, the names

2:01:53

like the who's who and UTV

2:01:53

racing, telling me I need to get

2:01:58

into this and I didn't get it.

2:01:58

Well,

2:02:01

I think every

2:02:01

kid should do that. I mean, is

2:02:03

expensive. And you know, as

2:02:03

being type A personalities like

2:02:07

no, I want to dry but I think

2:02:07

that leads kids, you know,

2:02:11

especially in today's world, but

2:02:11

all electronics that would lead

2:02:14

him in a different direction.

2:02:15

That's exactly

2:02:15

what I want. I want less

2:02:18

fortnight more shop time. That's

2:02:18

what that's what that's what he

2:02:22

needs his life. That's what I

2:02:22

need in my life. I know like

2:02:25

bouncing around. Right. So you're a Harley guy.

2:02:27

Well, it's

2:02:27

funny. I just became a Harley

2:02:29

guy. We went to Sturgis here.

2:02:29

That's a Mazda three butts.

2:02:33

Yeah, it just drops. And you

2:02:33

know, we've done this too. We

2:02:36

did last year, too. We take four

2:02:36

groms. Up there. We ride all

2:02:40

through surge, I think last year

2:02:40

in 1980, put 150 miles on the

2:02:45

groms. And those things are so

2:02:45

quiet. You hear people laughing

2:02:47

at you.

2:02:48

Yes, yes. Well

2:02:48

explain what a Grom is. I know

2:02:51

what a Grom is, but a lot of

2:02:51

people maybe don't

2:02:54

like mini mini

2:02:54

bike, the street, Lego 125 CCS.

2:02:59

Honda makes them and of course,

2:02:59

all ours are all wrapped like

2:03:03

the Texas flag. There are pit

2:03:03

bikes. I mean, I've read this

2:03:06

thing through hotels in like

2:03:06

half a zoo. We've taken them to

2:03:09

Mexico. We take them everywhere.

2:03:09

And we take them to Sturgis. So

2:03:14

we do last year this year. You

2:03:14

know, we took them again, you

2:03:18

know drove through Deadwood and

2:03:18

you know, I'm really excited

2:03:21

that we're going to be at surges

2:03:21

in 2021 with Ultra4 it's going

2:03:24

to be huge at the buffalo chip

2:03:24

to cool course. But we ran

2:03:29

Harley's in which is my first

2:03:29

mistake. And we ran for two days

2:03:33

because I gotta add I mean, I'm

2:03:33

buy and sell cars, race cars,

2:03:38

Jeeps, whatever. Like I'm gonna

2:03:38

get bored with this in a week.

2:03:42

Well,

2:03:42

Brad asked me

2:03:42

to ask you at this degree, Brad

2:03:45

asked me to ask you how many

2:03:45

cars have you on in your life?

2:03:49

I think I'm knocking on 60. I mean, at one point, I had

2:03:52

three of them in any range. I

2:03:56

mean, I've had a Hummer and I've

2:03:56

had a viper and a load is not

2:03:59

doesn't mean I make a lot of

2:03:59

money. It's just I didn't do

2:04:01

other things. I just bought

2:04:01

cars. And I would rotate them

2:04:04

every six months. And I think 60

2:04:04

is my number right now. So we

2:04:09

rent these bikes in our you know

2:04:09

upsurges and we had him for two

2:04:13

days. We were there for two more

2:04:13

days. And so I'm like, I'm gonna

2:04:16

extend these so I called a

2:04:16

Harley dealership like Well, no,

2:04:19

not only can we not extend them

2:04:19

You were supposed to be here 30

2:04:22

minutes ago and people are here

2:04:22

waiting for the bikes. Like oh

2:04:26

crap me and Brad and peanut we

2:04:26

get on a bike ride him in there

2:04:30

and ATV kicks in and I drive out

2:04:30

with the 2020 Street Glide and a

2:04:36

lot of miles on a sense.

2:04:37

And it's black.

2:04:37

It's beautiful. It's something

2:04:40

else.

2:04:41

It's it's

2:04:41

solid black. Ed loves it. I mean

2:04:44

she never in our I've never had

2:04:44

written on a Harley before and

2:04:48

redid the Black Hills, put 250

2:04:48

miles on it there. It's sitting

2:04:51

in the garage right now with

2:04:51

1400 miles on we're leaving

2:04:53

tomorrow to go down that bend

2:04:53

daris to ride the Twisted Sister

2:04:56

route down in South Texas and

2:04:56

you It's cool different

2:05:01

different avenue gets me you

2:05:01

know out of racing got to work

2:05:05

and just something that her and

2:05:05

I can enjoy together

2:05:08

and have your own thing right get away from kids every from get away from

2:05:09

the the headaches and the heart

2:05:12

aches. Right right. Or where you

2:05:12

guys think you guys staying like

2:05:15

like Fredericksburg.

2:05:17

It's a town

2:05:17

called like utopia. And I'm not

2:05:19

really familiar with down

2:05:19

they're not familiar with, but

2:05:21

we're taking the RV down Aaron,

2:05:21

but the bikes behind it and you

2:05:25

know, we're gonna leave tomorrow night and if we don't make it we'll stay wherever we, you

2:05:27

know, whatever Walmart I can

2:05:30

find and make downtown Friday.

2:05:32

Sounds like you guys are really roughing it.

2:05:34

Yeah, it's

2:05:34

bad. I mean, and that's kind of

2:05:37

cool thing about racing. I mean,

2:05:37

you see all kinds of cool.

2:05:39

That's one thing I've enjoyed

2:05:39

about the past two years and

2:05:42

we've been to both coasts we've

2:05:42

been in Mexico we're down to

2:05:45

baja 1000 I mean, I should like

2:05:45

drive into the races. I mean,

2:05:50

hell Reno i think is Sacramento

2:05:50

was I think 1800 miles for us

2:05:55

and you see some cool thing call

2:05:55

a hell i think i think my labs a

2:06:00

haul I think mill is hard to get

2:06:00

for me I just seems like a hard

2:06:03

one to get to. Feels like for me

2:06:03

feels like King the hammers from

2:06:06

Houston is just a one shot.

2:06:06

Yeah, I literally get on I 10.

2:06:10

And then I get off at Palm

2:06:10

Springs. Right. Exactly. That's

2:06:13

in you know, hammers, at least

2:06:13

the thing was like this long

2:06:15

ways. But after going to Reno in

2:06:15

Sacramento, and you know, it's

2:06:19

weird to say that San Felipe Bay

2:06:19

Mexico is closer to here then go

2:06:24

on hammers. Yeah, like goes to

2:06:24

Reno Sacramento.

2:06:27

Oh, yeah. But

2:06:27

by by half a day.

2:06:31

And you know, that's why I was so disappointed that nationals. You know, it was

2:06:33

a Davis, Oklahoma because that

2:06:36

was a whole 67 miles from my

2:06:36

house. It was bad. It was a

2:06:40

horrible drive.

2:06:41

Are you that

2:06:41

far north? You're in a car.

2:06:44

I'm in Ross. I

2:06:44

didn't, didn't

2:06:46

wear the 35 merge back together.

2:06:49

We'll see universities that university North Texas up north Tech

2:06:50

University, North Texas, the

2:06:54

Mean Green, what is the Mean

2:06:54

Green? I don't even know what

2:06:57

that is.

2:06:58

I don't know,

2:06:58

they got a bunch of green stuff

2:07:00

on their college. So they think

2:07:00

they're mean, I don't know, my

2:07:03

sister graduated. There's maybe I should ask her

2:07:05

right now that

2:07:05

said that my mother was there

2:07:08

was no. So we can always talk

2:07:08

about you know, Chip happens and

2:07:12

some things like that, but and

2:07:12

you're prankster, but you have

2:07:17

this uncanny ability to catch

2:07:17

things on fire, like vehicles.

2:07:23

Yeah, I do.

2:07:25

And for owning

2:07:25

60 vehicles in your life, you

2:07:27

know, based on that, and how and

2:07:27

you don't always burn down your

2:07:32

own stuff. You burn down other people's stuff.

2:07:34

I've only

2:07:34

burned down other people's

2:07:36

stuff. That that's the better

2:07:36

part of this. And what's even

2:07:41

funnier is the first one that

2:07:41

burned down was Brad and I went

2:07:45

in together and bought a 40 foot

2:07:45

diesel pusher. This is

2:07:48

background. Oh 809 and rehab it

2:07:48

up at the ranch. And, you know,

2:07:54

Brad and I are all a whole lot

2:07:54

of like, but sometimes very

2:07:57

polar opposite. And I was

2:07:57

driving into the ranch and he's

2:08:00

like, Dude, don't try to make it

2:08:00

up to the hill of the house. And

2:08:03

like it's rain and muddy and

2:08:03

like screwed. I'm trying to

2:08:06

Well, I blow out three of the

2:08:06

rear four tires. End up

2:08:10

believing it. month later. Of

2:08:10

course it happens at the stroke

2:08:15

of midnight into Halloween. I

2:08:15

get a call from my dad. He goes

2:08:19

hey, I need you to come to the

2:08:19

ranch. I'm like, Why? It's like

2:08:22

11 o'clock. We'll actually call

2:08:22

Brad because my phone was dead

2:08:25

and tells Brad this and he goes

2:08:25

you can't get your bus out of

2:08:28

the driveway. Brad's like why he

2:08:28

goes on fire. So my phone's

2:08:34

dead. They think I've gone up

2:08:34

from living Houston time they

2:08:36

think I've gone up and burned

2:08:36

the bus down but it had a

2:08:39

shortened frigerator and burned

2:08:39

to the ground blew out the

2:08:42

windows in my dad's house. Brad

2:08:42

also happens to own a fire

2:08:46

sprinkler company. Which makes

2:08:46

it even better. Fast forward.

2:08:51

Five years. Just last year, I go

2:08:51

to work for Sandy and I have a

2:08:56

company truck brand new f 350 19

2:08:56

2019. We got most of the race

2:09:00

team up there. We're celebrating

2:09:00

Logan's bachelor party. Riga

2:09:05

wheeling around the ranch and I

2:09:05

get the same phone call from an

2:09:08

ad. Hey, you got to come get

2:09:08

your truck out driveway. Why?

2:09:11

It's on fire. I burned down a

2:09:11

brand new 2019 f 350 i was like

2:09:18

not only am I gonna lose my job

2:09:18

I'm not gonna build race anymore

2:09:21

and it wasn't my fault. We might

2:09:21

have some fireworks did real it

2:09:26

burned to the ground?

2:09:28

Well, I mean

2:09:28

insurance paid right.

2:09:31

Oh, yeah. And that's the funny part. It's never been on my insurance.

2:09:32

That's always somebody else's.

2:09:36

So that truck

2:09:36

when that truck burned was

2:09:38

really the first shock for me

2:09:38

I'd heard about the aluminum

2:09:40

duties but I never really I

2:09:40

guess expected it to burn the

2:09:43

way it did. There was nothing left

2:09:46

there was you

2:09:46

know it's funny cuz we got back

2:09:49

and this is even the sad part is

2:09:49

Amy's mom had passed away she

2:09:53

had been sick, so he had to go

2:09:53

to the West Texas for the

2:09:56

funeral. We were leaving at six

2:09:56

o'clock the next morning to

2:09:59

drive out there. We were taking

2:09:59

that truck and another truck,

2:10:02

which was our buddy Casey's

2:10:02

truck. It was sitting right in

2:10:06

front of it. It melted all the

2:10:06

taillights and the camera and

2:10:09

everything on the back of his

2:10:09

truck. So we're trying to put

2:10:12

the fire out for the fire

2:10:12

department gets there. And we

2:10:14

didn't know that how much

2:10:14

magnesium was in a Ford

2:10:17

superduty diesel motor. We hit

2:10:17

that motor with water, it

2:10:22

exploded all we had to repaint

2:10:22

the whole front, top of Casey's

2:10:26

truck because it splattered and

2:10:26

anyone real quick now, they did

2:10:30

find my keys. Like I had all my

2:10:30

you know, house keys and

2:10:34

equipment, keys and all that was

2:10:34

in the door. None of those

2:10:37

burnt, they just fell on the

2:10:37

ground. They even got business

2:10:40

cards, and I know they're

2:10:40

around. I haven't seen him yet.

2:10:42

But he'd like Bernie edges, my

2:10:42

business cards. And it was that

2:10:46

quick on the fire. It was crazy.

2:10:49

just gone.

2:10:49

skis. Yeah. Well, I mean, if

2:10:52

anything, it's it's just don't

2:10:52

get around chip. I mean, that's

2:10:56

kind of the thing that chip happens, right?

2:10:58

Yeah, it's a

2:10:58

theme. The funnier part is when

2:11:01

I got the next truck. I went to

2:11:01

the dealership, pick it up. And

2:11:04

it had the Omega 18 wheelers,

2:11:04

the danger signs of flammable

2:11:08

and all that it had one of those

2:11:08

tied to the grill,

2:11:12

which I think is only fair, which I think, Hey,

2:11:15

I didn't get fired. I still get to race cars.

2:11:17

That that you

2:11:17

do. Alright, man, I want to talk

2:11:21

about I want to talk about yells

2:11:21

race efforts. I will talk about

2:11:24

King hammers this past year, and

2:11:24

kind of how you guys, you guys

2:11:28

had a very good showing. And

2:11:28

then this year, you've had a

2:11:31

very good showing, again,

2:11:31

nationals you worked your way

2:11:34

up. Where did you finish in the

2:11:34

national point series this year?

2:11:37

You were closer

2:11:38

it was I think

2:11:38

it was 18. I went into the I

2:11:41

went in 10th. And because we

2:11:41

didn't finish in last point. I

2:11:46

mean, there was only 100 points

2:11:46

between 10th and third. Yeah,

2:11:50

you know, so it was a big shake

2:11:50

up. Didn't do as well as we

2:11:55

wanted neither zanier and I but

2:11:55

you know, in everything that,

2:11:58

you know, that is a negative,

2:11:58

there's always good. I mean, we

2:12:02

My feeling is we made a

2:12:02

statement. You know, I'm getting

2:12:05

faster. I had a problem with you

2:12:05

know, trying to get out of my

2:12:07

head after breaking my back and

2:12:07

then you know, crushing the

2:12:10

finger back on those April or

2:12:10

sometime. You know, that was a

2:12:15

hard thing to get back in the

2:12:15

car. Especially had to break it

2:12:17

back. I mean, that that's just

2:12:17

wild. And then watch Casey shear

2:12:21

break his back two weeks after I

2:12:21

did mine. You know, it shows you

2:12:27

how quick things could change

2:12:27

for you. But we made a

2:12:29

statement. I mean, I started

2:12:29

driving faster. Sandy started

2:12:33

driving faster. We bring a huge

2:12:33

crew with us. I mean, the core

2:12:37

of Rufus racing is only six or

2:12:37

seven guys, but you know, we

2:12:40

show up to a race like Oklahoma.

2:12:40

I think we had a few people out

2:12:44

there wearing Rufus gear.

2:12:45

Well, I can say that that's when I shut up, Midlothian and I got sidetracked

2:12:47

on that story. When I walked up

2:12:50

to the Rufus trailer you

2:12:50

actually unity weren't there, in

2:12:54

that you guys had the full

2:12:54

awning out off the side of the

2:12:56

trailer. And that's what you re

2:12:56

saw this 18 Wheeler with a full

2:12:58

on it. There wasn't a single car

2:12:58

under the awning. But it was

2:13:01

standing room only shoulder

2:13:01

shoulder with people and this

2:13:05

was during, you know, COVID was

2:13:05

fully on and there wasn't a mask

2:13:09

to be seen that. I don't know

2:13:09

what you're talking about.

2:13:12

Yeah. Now, I

2:13:12

mean, Zandi, you know, he's not

2:13:16

a public person. He don't see

2:13:16

you know, a lot of people know

2:13:19

who I am. They don't know who

2:13:19

Sandy is. The dude's a funny

2:13:22

dude. He's a great dude. He He's

2:13:22

a very giving guy. You know, one

2:13:26

of his mottos in life is let's

2:13:26

go make memories. You know, we

2:13:30

might not finish a race. But I'm

2:13:30

going to tell you, we got some

2:13:32

of the best stories and pranks

2:13:32

and just a hell of a lot of fun.

2:13:38

You know, and that's what Rufus

2:13:38

racing is about. You know,

2:13:41

neither one of us have ended up

2:13:41

on a podium. The only time I've

2:13:43

been on a podium was last year

2:13:43

at third and East Coast series.

2:13:48

I haven't podium I've come close

2:13:48

a number of times, but I've not

2:13:51

been on podium during a race.

2:13:51

And, you know, we're having a

2:13:56

lot of fun doing it.

2:13:57

See, that's

2:13:57

where I'm at. It's always I can

2:14:00

tell you, I can't always tell

2:14:00

you who won the race, but I can

2:14:02

always tell you who I remember

2:14:02

from the race. It's whoever,

2:14:05

like put on the biggest show.

2:14:06

So it was a

2:14:06

show. He talked to Brad and you

2:14:09

know, we talked about me

2:14:09

breaking my back and he drove

2:14:13

for me at Nationals. I'm sure he

2:14:13

asked you to ask me about the

2:14:17

highlight reel of last year's

2:14:17

nationals.

2:14:20

No, I actually

2:14:20

don't i don't think that made it

2:14:23

he asked me to ask some things

2:14:23

like, like, your relationship

2:14:26

with Tonya Harding. Oh,

2:14:29

yeah.

2:14:30

We'll get to

2:14:30

that in a second. Right. And

2:14:33

then add there's some other good

2:14:33

stuff on there, but we can skip

2:14:36

that. But yeah, so So the last

2:14:36

year 2019

2:14:40

Brad was my

2:14:40

fill in for nationals. My back

2:14:42

was broken. So I was in the pits

2:14:42

and he was going you know, his

2:14:47

last chance qualifier. He was

2:14:47

doing really good earlier he

2:14:50

broke a tie rod. Heim on the tie

2:14:50

rod. So he didn't get to finish