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When. I wanted to talk about today was on

2:40

what's going on in our with France and.

2:43

Mccrone. Important. So.

2:46

We were talking before we set a recording an

2:49

arm. I. Think the main thing was our.

2:53

Last. Week Mccrone had his status year

2:55

whatever that equivalent is in France. And

2:57

yeah, he's he mentioned like it's not

2:59

out of the realm of possibility of

3:01

sending troops to Ukraine. And

3:04

on since then. Ah,

3:06

The Russians came out and said that they are

3:09

prepared to send about two thousand ships into Ukraine.

3:11

The Remote shop. The. French shock. Roger

3:14

and France came out and knowledge to

3:16

suffer. But. Then

3:18

out Chief of Staff of the

3:20

Army in in free and said

3:22

that while were prepared for all

3:24

eventuality anna. I kind of

3:26

want to get a sense of what you guys

3:29

think, like what happens next. like. Obviously.

3:31

Two thousand troops, even if they're

3:33

perfect, won't. Like. Ios while

3:36

Trade and Amazing won't really move

3:38

the needle, Director of Deference. Every

3:41

got it was got a game. They. Will

3:43

always be perfectly trance stiffness.

3:46

Do they have a sigh? the art style? They

3:48

hope they will die Handsome. Yeah,

3:51

you know I hate his. His couple

3:54

of thoughts on this site is a

3:56

two thousand troops Peace is. Frankly,

3:59

I. Misread because you

4:01

know the French shaw. Too.

4:03

Much of an adult nations a

4:05

m you mean as opposed to

4:07

Russia. To deny something that

4:10

that is being planned. if they're planning

4:12

to move two thousand troops anywhere than

4:14

his unit they were deaths and that

4:17

they would at least qualified as same

4:19

and saying know these guys are not

4:21

going to Russia but in a nice

4:24

they simply you know they they've done

4:26

I did I I doubt very much

4:28

there is something in that I think

4:31

you know what was seen at at

4:33

play here as possible. You know the

4:35

Russians two tins team to geopolitics. ah

4:38

because he knows. That term across

4:40

counterparts are wait whether they post

4:42

lead lighter more is my camps

4:44

know said he can be a

4:46

little bit sick all and he

4:48

is keen to a domestic audience

4:51

and I and they want to

4:53

so some doubt. Among

4:55

other Nato members and I think

4:57

you have to understand the relationship

4:59

between France and the rest of

5:01

Nato as some of the background

5:04

to remember France for the longest

5:06

time was not part of the

5:08

military alliance on has always kind

5:10

of played it's own game to

5:12

include in the nucleus side. No

5:14

one knows what difference nuclear plants

5:17

are on paid they t you

5:19

know retain sir control without any

5:21

collaboration with others. Ah so. The.

5:24

You know I I I would say

5:26

this, You've Got to And. You've

5:28

got to lead playing to politics.

5:30

One is enough to test case

5:32

International politics, immigrant, very much domestic

5:35

politics member, what's happening at home

5:37

and the upcoming elections who's opposing

5:39

him who has the largest number

5:41

of votes? Not of obe you

5:43

guys know right now and Frost.

5:46

I. Don't. Know yet? At.

5:48

the national front marie le pine

5:50

right who saw about as right

5:53

wing a city com and fighters

5:55

matter with said our daily anti

5:57

semitic done an apologist at times

6:00

No, at all times

6:02

for the Vichy administration,

6:04

which was the French

6:06

administration who collaborated with

6:09

the Germans during the Second World War. So

6:12

you've got him

6:15

opposing this person

6:17

with his legacy

6:20

of anti-invigration and

6:26

who is behind

6:28

the scenes. I mean, there has

6:30

been some collaboration between the Russians

6:32

and the French National

6:34

Front, or at least accusations thereof, I

6:37

say, desperately trying to shield us from

6:39

a lawsuit here. So

6:41

Macron is, and the

6:44

National Front in France is gaining momentum

6:46

in the face of a lot of

6:48

the rioting and violence there. I

6:50

believe they got, you know, looking at 20 to 30% of votes

6:53

in the, the

6:59

French parliament, Senate, someone's

7:02

going to butcher me for this. But

7:04

anyway, the number of seats they've had,

7:06

so Macron is worried about this and

7:09

he wants to put a fault

7:11

line between himself and Le Pen

7:13

at home. And that fault line

7:15

is where the French domestic population

7:18

stands on Russia, right?

7:20

And most part the population is

7:23

anti-Russia reports and Macron is playing

7:25

to that. Now, that's a cynical

7:27

view to

7:30

explain why Macron is... Which is probably the right view.

7:34

Yeah, I mean, let's, you

7:36

know, geopolitics, France, you

7:39

know, perhaps he has

7:41

had a Damascusian revelation

7:45

here that Putin is indeed

7:47

a threat to regional security,

7:49

severe threat to regional security,

7:51

and that France will join

7:53

ranks with Poland and

7:55

the Baltic states who are kind of in

7:58

the, and the UK. I

8:00

mean, let's just say that again,

8:02

France, join hands with blah blah

8:04

and the UK. This is a

8:07

very unusual movement in both countries

8:09

histories, but behind Ukraine, because you're

8:11

seeing, I mean, you have done from

8:13

the start, but I think 2024 is going to speed

8:16

the year where you see this wide divergence,

8:19

wider divergence within NATO between the kind

8:21

of, you know, the the

8:25

peacenix or those who want to,

8:27

you know, can we call it all be friends

8:29

and, you know, hey, let's have a frozen conflict.

8:31

I mean, you name it,

8:33

most of southern European countries, Germany

8:36

on the fence, France,

8:39

who knows, Macron, Macron wants to

8:41

take France now firmly into the

8:43

Ukrainian camp, which is

8:45

more and more important now as

8:47

the United as US support for

8:50

Ukraine falters. That's

8:52

just so, no, I

8:54

think he's playing to domestic politics. And

8:57

I think some of the less vocal nations

9:00

like Finland are using this opportunity

9:02

to step up and throw their

9:04

hat in the ring. Along with

9:06

this story, the foreign minister of

9:08

Finland, Alina Bolton,

9:10

and she stated

9:13

that Western nations should

9:15

be prepared to deploy

9:17

troops in the Ukraine if things if

9:19

the situation worsens. And along with that,

9:21

as a, I guess, a gesture along

9:23

with that statement, it was

9:26

reported that Finland is donating warships to the

9:28

Ukraine. How many and what type is not

9:30

known, unless you guys know that. And

9:33

it'll include training Ukrainian personnel

9:36

on the use of them. So, I mean,

9:38

I think, while this may be

9:40

a rumor, as far as France is concerned with

9:42

the 2000 troops, I think it's

9:45

on one side, on Western side giving

9:48

smaller nations or those less vocal a

9:50

chance to step up and say, well,

9:53

yeah, you know, maybe it's a

9:55

rumor, but we need to be ready, right

9:57

guys, and also on the Russian side, it's

9:59

a chance for them to use

10:02

France as that springboard, that warning to

10:04

other nations. You know, if it is

10:06

true, just know that we're gonna

10:08

target you. The foreign minister, the rest of the

10:10

foreign minister said they will be, French troops will

10:12

become a target for the Russian military and

10:15

it's kind of like, duh, yeah, but I

10:18

think that's the way them to throw that

10:20

message out there. Tell the rest of your

10:22

people that if you step foot in here

10:24

that it's on. Yeah, yeah,

10:26

I mean that's a great point,

10:28

you know, using France as kind

10:30

of an example, a tripwire. Yeah.

10:32

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10:34

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12:07

sub-regional pact in the

12:09

face of Russian aggression. And those are the countries

12:11

with most skin in the game. Finland

12:14

and Sweden, both with borders

12:17

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12:19

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12:22

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12:29

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12:31

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12:33

NATO. So that's all good news, you

12:35

know, that Finland and Sweden coming on

12:37

board. Yeah. And I think though it's

12:39

worrisome for them too, because they're

12:42

jumping in at a time when, like you said, the

12:44

US is faltering. So it's kind of like, well, wait

12:46

a minute, we got in the NATO so that we're,

12:48

you know, we can protect each other.

12:51

You know, I'm sure that in the back of

12:53

their mind, it's like, well, if the US is

12:55

faltering on Ukraine, what are they going to do

12:57

with Russia to make the move on us? You

13:00

know? Yeah. Yeah. It's

13:04

going to be

13:06

very interesting. I

13:09

think 2024 is going to be

13:12

a, you know, everyone says this about

13:14

every year, I suppose. Yeah. But it's

13:16

certainly going to be a decisive year as

13:19

far as US leadership in Europe. You know,

13:21

as far as, I mean, the direction

13:24

of our own elections, where that takes

13:26

us, these are the support

13:28

for NATO, you know, one side very

13:31

continued staunch traditional

13:33

support for a

13:35

European alliance that's actually

13:39

paid huge dividends for us in

13:42

our past. And those who think it

13:44

hasn't really just haven't paid attention to

13:46

history. And so it's kind of where

13:48

I lie. Or, you know, on the

13:50

other side, just an isolationist policy of,

13:52

you know, hey, any alliance is a

13:55

waste of money. And by the way,

13:57

you know, that NATO. countries

14:01

are stepping up to the plate. I

14:04

believe, you know, only 11

14:06

right now pay the 2% requirement.

14:09

But you know what, three years

14:12

ago, it was three

14:14

countries. So you can see this increase.

14:16

And speaking of deterrence, I gotta go and

14:19

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14:21

trash. So we'll

14:23

collaborate right back. So

14:28

yeah, you know, going, expanding

14:31

a little bit more on what Andy was saying, we

14:34

are seeing that uptake in

14:37

NATO members paying their fair share.

14:39

So it's, it

14:42

kind of skews the argument on the

14:44

other side about, you know, pulling out

14:46

and, you know, remaining isolationists, which I

14:49

can understand that. I

14:52

can understand that argument, because

14:55

prior to Ukraine, we're not really seeing the bank for

14:57

the buck. There hasn't been this before, a Ukraine situation

14:59

where NATO has really had to really,

15:06

yes, step up and really put their money where their

15:08

mouth is. But now more and more, it's becoming more

15:10

of a reality where we're going to have to we

15:13

haven't actually had to all in, you

15:15

know, NATO hasn't had to all in, but

15:17

we're right at that precipice where we may need to. So

15:20

as Andy was saying, this year, and this

15:22

election in particular in the United States is

15:25

going to be key.

15:29

So yeah, Russia is, they

15:31

have their own issues going on. They just

15:33

replaced their commander in chief of their Navy.

15:36

I cannot remember the

15:38

outgoing one's name, but it was replaced by an

15:41

admiral named Alexander Moisey.

15:45

He was a former submariner, staunch

15:47

Russian loyalist. And he was bought

15:50

in because reports are saying that

15:52

Russia's lost a third of

15:54

their fleet. And you know, that's that's

15:56

a big number. So they're not your fleet. you

16:00

don't need and Ukraine doesn't even have

16:02

a Navy. Yeah. Black Sea Fleet. Yeah.

16:04

Black Sea Fleet. Yep. And so

16:07

they've got their own issues going on. And then

16:11

I was reading in my

16:13

studies that their

16:15

oil and natural

16:17

gas fields are insanely

16:19

vulnerable. And so they're

16:22

trying to bolster their air defense around those

16:24

things. Because I read a statistic that said

16:27

up to 6000 barrels a day

16:29

are lost. In attacks from

16:31

Ukrainian forces. So that's a

16:34

huge huge hit they're taking.

16:36

So while we're working

16:38

to shore up NATO, you know, Russia's got

16:40

its own issues going on. So

16:43

yeah, it's been crazy. Yeah,

16:45

there's some, as he

16:47

would say, some gnarly video

16:50

out there on

16:53

what's it called? Warthog defense. Anyway,

16:55

doesn't matter. Oh, Warthog. Yeah, Warthog.

16:58

Yeah, it's pretty good. But it's

17:00

in any way it's a

17:05

deep after the fall

17:07

taken from perspective of

17:09

Russian looters. But but

17:11

more importantly, it just

17:13

shows, you

17:15

know, I mean, it's been

17:17

a year since I was there, and

17:19

the place was flattened. And so you

17:22

can imagine now after a year that

17:24

same that same area, just

17:27

incredible devastation there. It's

17:29

absolutely extraordinary. And it's like

17:31

a layman, I would say like, you know, Putin's

17:34

whole one of Putin's big reasons

17:37

as to why he went into Ukraine

17:39

was to stop the

17:41

expansion of NATO, right? Like, that's like my

17:43

friends, you know, who are anti

17:46

this or whatever anti, you know, the war in

17:48

Ukraine always tell me about like, oh, yeah,

17:50

he went into like, stop your

17:52

pain going into NATO, I'm like, he's

17:54

done he strengthen NATO beyond it. Yeah, wildest.

17:57

I would say like, he added more

17:59

cookies to NATO. That border rush.

18:01

Yeah, forced. I mean,

18:03

drove Finland and Sweden as,

18:07

you know, who jumped in to embrace NATO,

18:10

drove the every

18:13

member's capacity or appetite for

18:15

defense spending up. You

18:17

know, the Czech Republic just announced that they've,

18:20

you know, the Czech Republic has

18:23

never been bellicose. And they've just announced that

18:25

they're going to be spending

18:28

above 2% GDP coming up. So

18:32

that's 11 foot was. So yeah, Putin

18:34

has done great things for NATO.

18:36

And by the way, too, and this is lost,

18:39

I think, since some of the

18:41

static about people's concern about money,

18:43

taxpayers money, you know, I'm laughing

18:45

because these these these voices out

18:47

there who just go on and

18:49

on about how we're getting ripped

18:51

off financially by the rest of

18:53

the world, don't look at the

18:55

alternative, which is US lives

18:58

on the line instead of money, you

19:00

know, I mean, we don't we don't

19:02

get to avoid both of those, right?

19:04

If we want to share his own

19:07

stability and we don't have regional stability

19:09

by hiding within

19:11

the shores. I mean, that's such an antiquated

19:13

approach. I mean, that was an antiquated approach

19:15

in 1941. And

19:18

yet we still have people thinking that we

19:20

can just sit here at home and the

19:22

world won't trouble us. But

19:25

anyway, I mean,

19:27

my that's my point that that

19:29

this is being a golden. This

19:32

is being a crown jewel for

19:34

NATO. It's I'm talking about

19:36

the war in Ukraine. I'm not you

19:39

know, obviously, obviously, I'm

19:41

not back

19:43

in the invasion, but I'm saying he

19:45

has played right into NATO's hands. By

19:49

the way, I tried to

19:52

the Russian military in in

19:54

a way that we just

19:56

couldn't imagine in a conventional conflict over

19:58

the period of two. over

20:01

two years now, the

20:03

Russian military, yes, it's become stronger and

20:05

adapted in some ways, but it has

20:08

been invited beyond

20:10

imagination. The

20:15

most conservative estimates have at around 45,000, 50,000 dead Russians,

20:17

and you multiply 10

20:22

times that for most conservative

20:24

estimates. Some people are going to get

20:26

it twice. I

20:33

was just going to say something,

20:35

god damn it. Going back to the

20:38

what if France

20:40

landed 2,000 troops in Ukraine, which is

20:43

probably not going to happen, highly unlikely

20:45

anyway. It depends

20:47

how it's done, right? This

20:52

is all about presentation

20:55

and posturing and attribution.

20:59

It's all about play. In the same way,

21:01

remember we talked about the Shahid drone that

21:04

hit tower 22 and the US

21:08

not wanting to say yes, it was made

21:10

in Iran. If that

21:12

was the case, this is

21:14

kind of the same thing. The

21:16

United Kingdom has had soldiers in

21:19

Ukraine now for coming

21:22

on, I mean, a year and a half, yeah

21:27

18 months, special operations guys

21:29

doing certain things. It's kind of an

21:32

open secret, but

21:36

it's below the radar. The UK

21:38

doesn't announce it. The Russians

21:41

undoubtedly know that they are there, but

21:43

it's not out in the public forums,

21:45

so no one's threatening war against the

21:47

UK. You see what I'm saying? It would

21:50

put both Russia and the UK. Because

21:53

Russia's now, Putin's saying, no, I'll

21:55

do this and that. It's because, yeah,

21:57

if you're stupid enough to say, hey, I'm going to do

21:59

this, I'm going a cent, 2000. Yeah, of

22:02

course, Putin's gonna say that. All right,

22:04

but everyone knows what the way that

22:06

this game is played, you

22:08

can do other stuff under the radar, and it's

22:10

not going to get attributed because your

22:13

adversary doesn't want to be put in

22:15

that position with a domestic public, where

22:18

now he has to escalate to war.

22:21

I'd love to know like how it all gets

22:23

coordinated. Because like you said, there's UK special forces

22:25

in there. And I'm sure

22:27

there are French special forces in there.

22:29

Or even like, you know, French intelligence,

22:31

there's got to be like a

22:34

smorgasbord of intelligence and military advisors,

22:36

whatever in there, who coordinated

22:38

what goes down. Yeah,

22:41

I mean, that's great. You know, that's

22:43

great. The bottom line is, I'm

22:45

sure what you know, this is based

22:47

on some Jax writings, there's, there's

22:50

coordination with the NATO countries. And

22:52

then there's a subgroup who may

22:54

be doing really ultra secret

22:56

stuff made and they

22:58

coordinate just directly with them. And then

23:00

there may be unilateral stuff going on.

23:02

And on that note, I would be

23:04

surprised that France is doing anything in

23:07

Ukraine. Because, you know,

23:09

it's got a small, it's got

23:11

a very capable intelligence service. And

23:13

Jason knows more about this. And

23:15

you know, the Duxian what's it

23:17

called the Tm bureau? Very capable.

23:20

But, but Eastern Europe just

23:23

isn't their bag, baby, they are

23:25

very focused on the Middle East. And

23:27

Africa, Africa really is that thing.

23:30

And, and, you know, keeping,

23:33

keeping threats at an arm's length

23:35

from the homeland. And,

23:39

and so, from their

23:41

perspective, there are far

23:43

larger, far more capable intelligence

23:45

agencies focused on Ukraine and the

23:48

Russian threats that they don't need.

23:50

And they will share openly with

23:52

the French. So there's no need

23:54

to the French central, I mean,

23:56

in a rock, when I was out there

23:58

with the sieges, so did the the French had something

24:01

going on, which they, you know, was

24:03

kind of an open secret among the

24:05

soft, but they didn't openly share, which

24:07

was they were going there to whack

24:09

French citizens. And that

24:11

was the mission of their tier

24:13

one unit in Northern Iraq. It

24:16

wasn't, you know, train

24:18

of eyes and assist and all, you know,

24:20

I mean, support. It was go

24:22

after and kill French citizens who

24:24

had joined ISIS. And

24:29

in a way that was that

24:31

brought it home that, you know, not

24:33

a drone strike, but being shot

24:35

between the eyes. Yeah. And,

24:38

and getting that message out, you know, so

24:41

that so that French citizens on the other

24:44

side of the plot knew

24:46

that there was a French team on

24:48

our side who didn't give a shit

24:51

about anything else except going after them.

24:53

It was a very interesting psychological, you

24:55

know, it made me realize, yeah, they

24:57

it scared the enemy in

24:59

a way that drone strikes did not know human

25:01

beings every night hunting for them. But

25:05

yeah, I like to manage it. Andy,

25:07

I know that they were nothing.

25:10

Oh, really? They were very, yeah, they were nothing to do

25:12

with me. It was it was

25:14

a fucking nightmare because they would come

25:16

back. They claim they had coordinated forward

25:19

passage alliance through a passage alliance, but

25:21

they would come back through the Kurdish

25:23

lines and it and there was nearly

25:25

there was a blue on blue. No

25:27

one heard one night. And that's how we

25:30

started to unpack all this shit by saying,

25:32

hey, you if you fuckers are doing things

25:34

out there, it would be nice to

25:36

know. Right. You know, we're

25:38

bringing fires in here and people will you

25:41

might mistake you for the enemy. Oh,

25:44

there's a little. Oh, yeah. So

25:50

Andy, do you know how many

25:52

I wonder how many complaints

25:55

we're going to get for that? Why you

25:57

spoke about this on a previous team house. I'm

26:02

just reading a little

26:05

bit about these Russian

26:07

volunteer forces in Ukraine.

26:09

And Andy, I wanted to see if you could speak to

26:11

that a little bit. I honestly didn't

26:13

know anything about them or much about

26:16

them until the last couple of weeks

26:18

with these videos that are being shown

26:20

and apparently allegedly they made an incursion

26:23

into Russia to attack

26:25

targets. Russia's refuting those claims,

26:28

but do you know anything about them?

26:33

So beginning with the

26:35

latest alleged ground attack,

26:37

Wall Street Journal's released

26:40

a pretty convincing, I think it was a Wall

26:42

Street Journal's pretty convincing video of it. And

26:47

the key part about this, it wasn't

26:49

drone strikes and everything, it was a

26:51

ground launched attack, apparently

26:53

from Ukrainian territory into

26:56

Russian territory to

26:59

Belagrad. And there's this

27:03

footage of this armed group

27:05

moving into the town, being

27:07

greeted, taking down Russian flags,

27:09

putting up their own

27:11

and making announcements and it

27:14

looks like, I mean, probably a small force.

27:16

It was kind of almost

27:18

a token gesture, but at the

27:20

same time, it's significant in the

27:22

same way that when the

27:24

Wagner group was stirring up trouble, it was

27:27

significant. But

27:29

no, so here's all I know. Or,

27:32

and maybe some what I'm

27:34

saying I know is not true. I'm happy to

27:36

say that. But what I

27:38

do know is that there's three

27:41

groups for sure that

27:45

are working for

27:47

the GUR or fall under the auspices

27:49

of the GUR. So

27:53

taking direction from the Ukrainian,

27:55

the GUR is a military

27:57

intelligence, the directorate heard me.

28:00

mentioned, Budonov, who's their whizkit

28:03

head, he's 39 years old. He's

28:05

been directing a lot of the

28:07

behind the scenes operations against, I

28:09

mean, behind the line operations against

28:11

Russians. And he's, and this is

28:13

one of his lines of effort

28:16

is our Russian volunteers and Ukrainians, and

28:18

the reason why they hold them under

28:20

intelligence, and they haven't just pulled them

28:23

under the C2 of the armed forces,

28:25

is that they're very wary about

28:28

being seen to support the wrong type of

28:30

people. And there are groups

28:32

out there that look something like

28:34

neo Nazis. And the last thing

28:37

that the Ukrainians want, you know,

28:39

with the Russian narrative of

28:41

them being Nazis is to side

28:43

with Russian groups that are far

28:45

right wing. You know, this is

28:47

all kind of strange, because most people would

28:49

think you cannot get further the right wing

28:51

of Putin, right? But yeah, it's a top

28:53

seat. Anyway, that's, you know, that,

29:00

as far as real damage, I

29:04

mean, token, but

29:06

but it is the size

29:08

of the Russian flag being

29:10

pulled down on Russian territory,

29:12

and Russian civilians cheering, that

29:14

is likely to really concern

29:18

Putin, you know,

29:20

because he's paranoid anyway. Yeah. They've

29:23

also derailed a couple of

29:25

trains, blown up fuel trucks.

29:27

So they are getting direction,

29:29

certainly to hit Russian logistics

29:32

support, it isn't all token.

29:35

And in that sense, their efforts

29:37

have been integrated with Ukrainian special

29:39

operations to some extent. Yeah,

29:42

the stories that I've been reading, I

29:45

just watched a video before we started

29:47

shooting said that Russian

29:50

intelligence has been especially military tells

29:52

us have been tasked with finding

29:54

these folks and first

29:56

naming them so they can publicly shame

29:58

them. and then eliminating

30:01

them. So I guess

30:03

it's kind of like you said

30:05

with France and Russia. It's more

30:07

of a warning to others. This is what

30:09

you get, you know, kind of thing. So

30:12

it's pretty good. Yeah, there's a – yeah,

30:14

there's – I mean, collaborators on

30:17

your own side, especially in

30:19

this war, where they're both

30:21

speaking the same language, is

30:26

particularly emotional, the most of issue. And it has

30:28

been from the beginning of the war when I

30:31

was in Kiev, and

30:33

we were having to change ranges every

30:36

day or so because we were getting targeted

30:38

by artillery. And that artillery was being brought

30:40

down on us the

30:42

only way it could be spotted because

30:44

we weren't rushing drones over the head

30:46

at that point in here, was by

30:49

collaborators slow-crash-calling in artillery fire. So, you

30:51

know, it's a real issue on both

30:53

sides. Players have gone

30:55

after Allah Mossad. They've gone

30:58

after collaborators within

31:00

the occupied territories and

31:03

pretty inventive methods of knocking them

31:06

off. And

31:09

by the way, some of

31:11

you tracked to the Russian

31:13

submarine commander who was shot

31:15

while jogging and is, you

31:17

know, in his base hometown

31:19

deep within Russia. And

31:23

he was responsible. His submarine

31:26

was among the ones that

31:28

launched the

31:31

cruise missiles at Kiev. And so they tracked

31:33

him down that far. So

31:37

there – it is – you know, I mean, the – it's

31:41

a contrast to the attritional

31:44

slogfest on the front

31:47

is some very innovative

31:49

and effective resistance

31:52

being organized by Budinov. The last

31:54

thing I'll say on this is

31:56

the one thing about resistance –

31:59

okay, and it Maybe because your unconventional

32:02

warfare, it may be because

32:04

it is sexy, or maybe

32:06

because it sounds sexy, it

32:08

may be because Army Green

32:10

Berets tie the whole legacy,

32:12

the ethos to it that

32:14

we tend, we collectively exaggerate

32:16

its effectiveness. Everyone exaggerates

32:19

its effectiveness when it's working for you.

32:21

Isn't that part of it? You

32:25

look back at the second world war

32:27

exactly, yeah, to some extent, the strategic,

32:29

major messaging to your adversary that he

32:31

is not safe in his rear areas.

32:35

No need for some crass jokes there, Dean.

32:39

But that feeling is a little bit

32:41

of psychological, and it causes him to

32:46

involve a significant number

32:48

of resources, a disproportionate number of

32:51

his combat power, not

32:53

on the front, but to handle this

32:55

type of thing in his rear. Plus

32:58

the psychological effect of civilians, etc.,

33:01

etc. It has exponential

33:03

effects, if done correctly. However, in the second

33:05

world war, you're going to hate me for

33:07

saying this, but they've done studies of resistance

33:10

in the second world war, and for the

33:12

most part, it was counterproductive

33:14

and ineffective. Yes, I know

33:16

I've seen all the movies, but

33:19

my point is, take case in

33:21

point, the biggest success boasted by

33:24

one of the biggest successes, the

33:26

biggest was the destruction of the heavy

33:28

water plant, German heavy water

33:30

plant at Telemark in Norway. But

33:34

one of the others was the

33:37

assassination of General Heydrich,

33:40

Lieutenant General Heydrich, who

33:43

is a regional commander of the SS.

33:46

He was killed actually in Czechoslovakia

33:48

by local resistance. Tremendous

33:51

blow against the Germans, but what

33:53

did they do? They

33:56

wiped out thousands

33:59

of people. people in that area.

34:02

And, you know,

34:04

the Czech population

34:06

still remembers that, right? You

34:08

know, long after the effects

34:10

of hydric's death have affected

34:12

the Wehrmacht. So,

34:15

you know, there's a downside

34:17

to resistance, and that is

34:19

your adversary controls everything.

34:22

And that makes it very difficult to

34:25

be effective. And often you have to wait for

34:27

one of two tipping points. One is when, you

34:31

know, the adversary tips a point as far as

34:34

just pissing off the local population.

34:36

But the other, all important,

34:39

is where the fair hatred

34:41

fulcrum, right? You know, it

34:43

goes from the stop fearing

34:45

here, the hatred of the

34:47

enemy. Yeah, they're not.

34:53

And it, and so,

34:55

you know, to my point, it that that

34:57

point is probably being hit with some Russians, you

35:00

know, they figure, hey, this

35:02

country is on such

35:04

a downhill slide, you know, out

35:06

of the job, I'm facing prospect

35:08

of being conscripted anyway to fight

35:11

for Putin. So I may as

35:13

well, I may as well

35:15

pick up a rifle and do this now.

35:17

And if worse comes to worse, I can

35:19

defect to Ukraine and

35:22

have a pretty decent life. So there's

35:24

pragmatic reasons for these guys doing this.

35:26

I'm sure it's not all ideological. No

35:28

one, no one acts purely out of

35:31

ideological, for ideological

35:33

means unless they have seriously,

35:36

seriously ill. Yeah.

35:41

One last thing for me

35:43

before I get a bounce.

35:45

I saw, speaking from description,

35:47

that Russian contract servicemen are

35:50

now being exempted from criminal

35:53

liability. Go figure, you

35:55

know, so if they can, I mean, just

35:57

the blanket exemption. Yeah, for now. Yeah,

36:00

it's a temporary contract

36:03

for those who are

36:05

already in prison for

36:07

crimes. If

36:09

they agree to sign this service contract,

36:12

it will be temporarily on hold

36:14

until, you know, depending on how

36:16

things go. For new conscripts, they're

36:18

being told you're not criminally

36:21

liable for whatever you do. So

36:23

yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting.

36:26

It sounds, again, a reminder

36:28

of kind of seventh group recruiting methods.

36:30

You know, I mean, if you speak

36:32

Spanish, we'll overlook whatever else comes up.

36:35

All right. On that note,

36:38

any closing comments? No,

36:41

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