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Team House. Hello
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everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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IZON. I'm Andy Billburn. With me is... Jason
2:00
Lyons and D tacos and we're gonna jump
2:02
right into it today Because
2:05
much to your relief we have a
2:07
limited amount of time and there's there's
2:09
a couple of really big news stories
2:12
D what do you want us to start off
2:14
on here the the Moscow shooting? Yeah, I mean
2:16
that's So I
2:18
got some fresh gouge on that you want
2:20
to hear please? Yeah, cuz that's dominating Okay,
2:23
so This is quite
2:25
literally breaking. I hate to use that term,
2:27
but this is from Russian
2:30
Telegram accounts in Moscow
2:34
I would argue and I would venture if
2:36
we release this today that no one else
2:38
has all of the information that I'm about
2:40
to Give that's it how
2:42
it sounds a dreadful both. So let's go ahead. All
2:44
right, so The
2:46
the death toll a anyway back backtrack
2:48
for a moment. Okay, there was an
2:50
attack on a Russian on the Russian
2:53
Crocus City Hall in
2:55
Moscow. It's like this massive with
2:57
the large kind of Emporium includes
3:00
an Auditorium there's a train
3:02
station there. I mean it's a it's
3:04
a showpiece Kind
3:07
of location within Moscow for for
3:09
the young and and
3:11
so everything what happened for suspects
3:14
Walked into the foyer of the
3:16
auditorium and they started shooting
3:18
interestingly enough. They wish there was a concert
3:22
And they walked in about just as the
3:24
concert was beginning and they started shooting
3:26
at late comers and in the in the lobby And
3:29
they walked into the auditorium itself. As
3:32
I said death toll around 149 Russians
3:34
expect that to rise Several
3:37
hundred wounded Russian special
3:39
forces were involved Despite
3:42
though footage shown at the site
3:44
No, gunman were killed or arrested
3:46
at the site and I'll get
3:48
this. This is where it gets
3:50
crazy The Russians are
3:52
reporting that they've arrested for
3:54
terrorists in the Bryansk
3:57
region of Russia. Okay I'm gonna
3:59
help you guys out here because I had
4:01
to look it up. That is on the Russian-Ukrainian
4:03
border. So what they're
4:05
claiming, think about this, all right, they're
4:07
claiming that terrorists were fleeing back towards
4:10
Ukraine, right? And
4:12
that they captured, okay, one of them is
4:14
saying that he was paid half a million
4:16
rubles to carry out the attack. Not saying
4:19
by whom, but you see what I mean,
4:21
I mean, the Russians clearly are kind
4:24
of doing the Dora piece here of laying
4:27
out the breadcrumbs saying, well, look, we don't
4:29
know who did this, but
4:31
they're trying to escape to Ukraine. At
4:33
the same time, the Islamic state is
4:35
saying, no, wait a second, we did
4:37
it, we did it. US intelligence estimates,
4:39
US intelligence saying they don't know for
4:42
sure. Islamic State seems like a safe
4:44
bet, but there are several other potential
4:47
groups, you know, I mean, remember, Russia
4:50
has ongoing counterinsurgencies and
4:52
not just in Chechnya,
4:54
but Dagestan too, both
4:57
places in which Putin has pissed
4:59
off a lot of people, and
5:03
of course, Syria, you know, which
5:06
is the reason why the Islamic State
5:08
would be hitting them. So
5:12
I will pause there for a moment in
5:14
case you have any questions. Oh, hey, the
5:16
last thing is, the Russians
5:18
just announced that this is
5:20
on Telegram, and
5:23
it's a Russian Telegram channel, I
5:25
should be more specific, it's a Russian
5:28
backed Telegram channel. And
5:30
they're claiming that it was the Russian
5:32
volunteer call, right? Remember, we
5:35
talked about the Russian volunteer call,
5:37
that's who they're saying they,
5:39
that that's who it is, and that
5:41
they conducted a purge, or rather, they
5:43
arrested a bunch of them before the
5:45
incident, and this was a, this was
5:47
a revenge. Anyway,
5:50
back back to you guys. Yeah,
5:53
so questions you have. What I'm
5:55
being told and what I'm reading
5:57
is that, as little as three
5:59
days ago, So,
6:02
the embassy warned
6:05
Moscow that, hey, there is something
6:07
coming. They didn't have specifics, but
6:11
it was dismissed by Putin as
6:13
divisive propaganda, you know, just trying
6:15
to divide the country up, which
6:17
is the exact same mistake that
6:19
the Iranians made not long ago.
6:21
We tried to warn them about
6:23
an imminent attack. They dismissed
6:25
it and it happened. So,
6:28
you know, I think that's a part of the,
6:31
at least the entire community that the most
6:34
citizens don't know about that we do,
6:36
despite our differences with Russia and Iran.
6:38
We do share intelligence with them on
6:40
that level as, you know, if there's
6:42
an imminent attack coming, because despite what
6:45
some people think, while we disagree
6:48
and we have issue with the Russian
6:50
and Iranian governments, we don't hate their
6:52
people. So we don't want to see
6:54
innocents killed. So well, it's something to
6:56
do. It's a policy of repress, reciprocity.
6:59
Yeah, too, right? You
7:01
know, like, okay, so even if you guys don't
7:03
agree to this, we are going to do this,
7:07
which leads the door open for
7:09
collaboration. Absolutely. Absolutely. And
7:11
that's a, yeah, that's a great point. Hey,
7:13
Jason, I just want to say what Putin
7:15
actually said when
7:17
he was warned on March the
7:19
19th, all this resembles outright blackmail
7:22
and an intention to intimidate and
7:24
destabilize society. Just that's from the
7:27
US warning. I mean, once
7:30
again, you know, how, what
7:32
more example do you need? Yeah, I'm
7:34
curious to see how that gets walked
7:36
back. That statement now that it's happened.
7:38
Putin was just talking, he just like,
7:40
addressed Russia, like, probably 30, 40
7:42
minutes ago. But it was Oh,
7:45
he has made an official statement. Okay. Yeah.
7:48
Yeah, that in the the method,
7:51
as who's the deputy head of the,
7:53
you know, Derek will know the Russian
7:55
Security Council has
7:57
has is already blamed.
8:00
I mean him specifically, so it isn't
8:02
just on Telegram, he says. Well, he
8:04
says if it is
8:06
established that these terrorists are connected with the Kiev
8:08
regime, and he goes on to issue dire threats,
8:11
you know what I mean? How much more dire
8:13
can it get than you've already invaded that country?
8:15
Right. So like the
8:17
Medvedev thing- But they're getting ready
8:19
to put the blame on Kiev's
8:21
doorstep because it certainly serves Russians
8:24
better to do so than to blame the
8:27
Islamic State and bring up their whole sorry
8:29
venture. Sorry venture in Syria. Can we touch
8:31
on the transformation that Medvedev's gone through when
8:33
he was a Russian president and like boys
8:35
with Obama and like, oh, this could be
8:38
maybe a glimmer of hope, and then he's
8:40
gone full like black trench coat. No,
8:45
I don't think there was any transformation there. I
8:47
think they were just always playing us all along
8:49
with me. And
8:51
this is where we mix
8:54
our kind of our own
8:57
culture with our attempts at
8:59
real politic. We want to
9:01
always, always inject the personal
9:03
level in these geopolitical relationships.
9:09
And these are whether you're
9:12
a head of state, I mean,
9:15
regardless of where you're a head of state,
9:18
your country, your national interests come first, but
9:20
we in the US- We
9:23
recognize that in ourselves, but we demand kind
9:25
of friendship and loyalty
9:27
from foreign
9:30
diplomats, I mean foreign heads
9:33
of state, which of
9:35
course doesn't make sense, and especially
9:37
when we're talking about adversaries. So
9:40
you get things like George Bush saying about
9:42
Putin, he seems like a man I can
9:44
deal with. You know what you can do
9:46
with guys, and then all the crap that
9:49
other presidents have talked about,
9:51
both Putin and members
9:54
of Russia, the Kremlin. I mean, it's
9:56
absurd. No, these guys are all
9:58
very- I mean, they- shit. you
10:00
know, form of Soviets and if they're not,
10:03
and they're steeped in that culture. And
10:05
we never understood that culture anyway. But
10:08
we kind of understood it during the Cold War. And
10:11
what kept us on the good side is we
10:13
never got sucked in, even at the end, to,
10:16
oh, hey, listen, Khrushchev's being nice to
10:18
us today, so, you know, let's start
10:20
making concessions. Yeah. Yeah.
10:23
It's our own mirror imaging
10:25
and it's our own weakness.
10:27
Geopolitics is a hard
10:29
game. And very few US statesmen
10:31
realize that. Kissinger, like him or
10:34
hate him, did understand that. Yeah.
10:37
Absolutely. Anything you saw
10:39
on the whole panel in Moscow. So
10:42
watch this space, guys. Very
10:44
interesting. And we will, you
10:47
know, continue to track what's
10:49
being said in Russia
10:52
on this. What was interesting was, like,
10:54
especially right after the attack, probably like an hour
10:56
or two after attack, they had that picture of
10:58
that white man with old Ukrainian plates on it.
11:00
Yeah. And it's like, hey,
11:03
guys, if you can't really get this bit obvious. Yeah.
11:06
What are we doing? Like, are they really doing that?
11:08
Like, let's be serious here. Like, who's running this? Let's
11:11
love the Ukraine stickers on the enemy. Yeah.
11:16
An early story I saw too said
11:18
that during the attack that a Ukrainian
11:20
flag was raised above the building.
11:24
I saw that. And then it disappeared. Then I
11:26
never saw anything about it again. So,
11:28
I mean. They also
11:30
said they were wearing fake beards. Like, guys,
11:32
what are we doing? Like, can
11:35
we just find out who did this? And,
11:37
you know, and like, I mean, the Russians
11:39
won't be honest anyway. Yeah. But
11:42
I mean, you know how these things are.
11:44
I mean, remember the most recently, seven October.
11:46
And then you remember the attacks
11:50
in Paris in 2015. And
11:52
the initial reports are
11:55
always low ball, unfortunately,
11:57
on the extent of the
11:59
casualties. and how bad the event was.
12:01
So I think sadly we're going to see that
12:03
the casualty numbers
12:06
rise because reading
12:09
behind the lines Russian special forces did
12:11
not get there on time and
12:14
so yes I don't think this is
12:16
going to be a story that covers
12:19
the Russian security services and glory but
12:21
that doesn't, you know, I mean we've
12:23
all made these mistakes so
12:25
that isn't me being smug it's a
12:27
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12:31
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14:59
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15:01
was very you know despite what
15:04
we may say very hierarchical very
15:06
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15:08
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15:10
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15:14
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15:17
and Grey came in and did two
15:19
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15:21
from top down the Institute implemented things like
15:23
drug testing and all this stuff you know
15:26
but it was a it was a
15:28
concerned compassionate leadership he was loved by the
15:30
rank and file in a way that no
15:32
other commandant has been. And
15:35
why it wasn't just because he could talk
15:37
to the Marines and drop the F bomb
15:39
it was because he genuinely cared about
15:42
them and showed it in his
15:44
policies and proving barracks like blah blah blah but
15:46
he you know at the same time he
15:49
raised he raised the standards of
15:51
the Marine Corps that was internally
15:53
externally he oh
15:55
and also internally he emphasized mission command
15:57
in a way that has not been
15:59
a. exercise by any other comment I'll talk
16:01
about that,
16:04
you know, before or since possibly the
16:06
current one will be. And so
16:09
he brought
16:11
us a soul these things about
16:13
initiative driven command. He
16:16
brought in a
16:20
yes, right. To change
16:22
our whole doctrine, war
16:24
fighting, right? Which
16:26
is not about moving pieces on
16:28
the map. It's about mentality, which
16:31
is always, always putting your enemy in the
16:34
horns of the dilemma on the horns of
16:36
the dilemma, thinking
16:38
deciding in
16:40
a manner that that makes your tempo
16:43
faster than that of the adversary. It
16:45
was all about the mental gain, the
16:47
three dimensional chessboard as he
16:49
described it. Gray
16:52
was also very interestingly, a self
16:54
made man in every sense. He,
16:58
he was a const
17:00
I mean, he, he was a construction worker,
17:03
right? He enlisted in the Marine Corps. Yeah.
17:05
At the age of 22, went to Korea
17:08
fought for two years in Korea, as
17:10
a rifleman made sergeant, like
17:13
in a battlefield promotions. And
17:16
then subsequently was commissioned as an
17:18
officer in Vietnam. Interestingly, when he
17:20
got a silver star, he was
17:23
on a he was his
17:25
official title was he was an
17:27
artillery observer with an artillery unit.
17:30
But he was also at the time he's working
17:32
in intelligence, communications and
17:34
signals intelligence. He had a communications background.
17:36
I want to sell the star for
17:38
bringing Marines out of a minefield minefield.
17:41
I'm going to turn over to you
17:43
because I got to take care of
17:45
this. Yeah,
17:47
General Gray, I had the the
17:50
pleasure and honor of meeting him. It was
17:53
long after his retirement. I was
17:55
at an event and he was there and we
17:58
got to talk to me a little bit it and
18:00
mentioned where I was from in New
18:02
Jersey. And he grew up right next
18:04
door at a point pleasant New Jersey
18:06
from originally from raw way, New Jersey.
18:08
And, uh, his family
18:10
moved to point pleasant and, uh,
18:12
he played football. I think we played
18:15
three sports football, baseball, and
18:17
I basketball, I believe. And, uh, you
18:19
know, great athlete, um, really, really easy
18:22
to talk to. And, you know, like
18:24
Andy said, he was a Marines Marine,
18:26
especially enlisted. He, uh, is
18:29
noted for when he
18:31
would address new officers, he
18:33
would tell him that your sole reason
18:35
for raising your hand, um, yes, it's
18:37
to defend the constitution, yes, it is
18:40
to defend, you know, the nation, but
18:42
it's also to be first and foremost
18:44
there for your enlisted, uh,
18:46
and subordinate Marines. That was his
18:48
most important, um, his credo. Uh,
18:52
like Andy said, maneuver warfare was a big
18:54
thing with him. Um, and it was pretty
18:56
timely because of desert storm and, you know,
18:59
and all of that, um, but
19:01
he truly believed in every Marine being a
19:04
rifleman so much so that he was the
19:06
first, and I don't know if only, but
19:08
the first common not to
19:10
have his official portrait done in
19:12
his utilities, his cammies, um,
19:14
every other one were in dress uniforms,
19:16
dress blues. Um, and, uh, he
19:19
was the first to do that to show that
19:21
every Marine is a rifleman. And, uh, that really
19:23
stood out to me. So, uh, he will surely
19:25
be missed. I mean, 95 years old, he lived
19:27
a hell of a life. So, um, you
19:30
know, great Marine. It
19:32
was active right up to the end too. Um, uh,
19:35
he was, um, you
19:37
know, he ran the, uh, instrumental in
19:39
running the Potomac Institute, which is a
19:41
think tank. And, uh, but, uh,
19:44
you know, one, one really interesting point, I think this
19:46
will come out, I
19:48
hope it comes out and, um, you
19:50
know, presumably there'll be books about a book
19:52
about him, but he took over the Marine
19:54
Corps at a very, uh,
19:57
you know, the Marine
20:00
Corps. was in crisis back in
20:02
the late 80s. People forget about this,
20:04
or in the 80s. And part
20:07
of it was post-Vietnam. The
20:10
army, the Navy can absorb some
20:13
of the morale problems and
20:17
all the other things that were going
20:19
on. But the Marine Corps, as a
20:21
small organization now facing, is just justifying
20:23
its existence yet again, not
20:27
doing well across the border,
20:29
none of the services were. But in particular,
20:31
the Marine Corps had a hard time in
20:34
the 80s. Remember, in 83 was the Marine
20:36
Corps bombing that killed 240. There
20:39
were all kinds
20:41
of operational and tactical and
20:44
indeed, strategic level decisions that
20:47
were made there that frankly
20:49
led to that tragedy. And they weren't all
20:52
political decisions. A lot of them were made
20:54
by people in uniform, and they were very
20:56
poor decisions. And not
20:58
a lot of people really were
21:00
held responsible. But Gray came in in
21:02
the aftermath of that, realizing
21:06
that, yes, the Marine Corps had to be seen
21:08
to hold its own accountable. And
21:11
then the same
21:13
year he came in, we had, I
21:15
don't know if you remember, Clayton Lontrie. He
21:19
was the primary player in a
21:23
scandal in Moscow embassy, US
21:27
embassy Moscow in 1987. He
21:30
and one of his
21:33
cohorts, I think two of his cohorts,
21:35
definitely another one went to jail, sold
21:37
secrets. They were called in a Russian
21:39
honeypot trap and
21:44
continued to give
21:46
secrets to the Russians and prepare their
21:48
time before they were caught. And then
21:50
finally, remember Oliver North facing criminal charges
21:53
for his involvement in the Iran-Contra affair.
21:55
And within the Marine Corps, Oliver
21:58
North was not regarded as... being the
22:00
hero that the US public was.
22:03
There were people who had, I'll
22:05
just say this, let me
22:08
put it this way, I don't mean to
22:10
defame Oliver North, I just mean to say
22:12
yes, he was a very brave man, and
22:15
yes, he was a hero in Vietnam, but
22:17
my point is that there were people within
22:19
the Marine Corps who were concerned about the
22:21
way he was acting, concerned
22:23
that he was violating integrity while
22:25
wearing uniform. I didn't say he
22:27
did, I said they were concerned
22:30
and Gray was one of them. So he
22:32
felt like the Marine Corps had a black
22:34
eye and indeed it did and part
22:37
of what he was doing, and people didn't
22:39
realize this perhaps at the time, was setting
22:41
the Marine Corps completely on a new course.
22:45
Remember he's the one who coined special operations
22:47
capable for the muse. He's like okay, we
22:49
are going to be a lighter, more
22:52
agile force, we're going to be closer
22:54
to special operations. And indeed, look, we're
22:57
doing this again now, we went through
22:59
this whole period of going being
23:01
sucked into, as we had to,
23:03
the counter insurgencies, the land wars,
23:05
but now again, we're
23:08
looking at getting, kind of moving towards
23:11
soft in how we
23:13
operate. Yeah. And
23:15
you mentioned books about him. There
23:18
is one that had been recommended to me,
23:20
I still haven't read it, it's called Grayisms
23:22
and Other Thoughts on Leadership from General Al
23:25
Gray, USMC retired, 29th County Marine
23:28
Corps, it's by Paul Ott, OTTE.
23:30
And the... The
23:33
Big Institute. Yeah. What's that?
23:36
Yeah, Potomac Institute. Yeah, Potomac Institute. So
23:38
that looks like a really interesting one.
23:41
So if anyone's interested, definitely pick that
23:43
up. I plan to. Yeah,
23:45
that's actually, it's a great book. I mean,
23:47
I've just flicked through it because I'm too cheap
23:49
to look forward to it. It's got a lot
23:52
of his quotes and he has some great
23:54
quotes. Yeah. You know,
23:56
everyone, everyone has... this
24:00
image of him as being and he
24:02
was like this rough ready, marine tough
24:04
guy. And he was all of those.
24:06
Yes, truly. But but what makes him
24:08
what gives him such a legacy is
24:11
his intellect. Really,
24:13
you know, a brilliant guy. And, and
24:16
also his, I mean, his
24:20
intellect, what he's done for the miracle, blah, blah,
24:22
blah, but, but also his compassion, you know, and
24:24
that's why he was popular. He really, you know,
24:27
we talked about tough, love, tough
24:30
leadership, but he really exemplified
24:32
that there wasn't a false bond in
24:34
his body. And you know, one of the
24:36
things we laughed about when he when
24:39
he and I briefly spoke was again, he went
24:41
to Point Pleasant Beach High School. And
24:43
I went to Manas one high school
24:46
and we weren't big rivals with
24:48
sports, we did play each other in certain
24:50
sports, but Point Pleasant Borough, which was the
24:53
town connected in between his and
24:55
mine, we they were a
24:57
big rival. And we used to
24:59
it was a huge nasty rival and football especially.
25:01
And so one of the things he asked me
25:03
is, so what's
25:05
the secret? You know, sir, what secrets
25:07
was like, how is it you guys cheat every
25:10
year be, you know, and I just looked at
25:12
him like shit, is he being serious? He's
25:16
still holding that grudge from 80 years.
25:18
Exactly. So,
25:21
um, the other thing, you
25:23
know, the other legacy that he has among
25:25
junior Marines is, is
25:28
memory of or a habit of
25:31
physically assaulting Marines, right? You know,
25:33
I mean, what would be called
25:35
physically assaulting now, you know, he
25:37
would when if you were
25:40
standing and I know this from personal
25:42
experience, because I was a
25:44
PFC and reached the dizzy Heights of Lance
25:46
corporal as a security
25:48
guard in St. Clans fleet headquarters, North
25:50
Lake Virginia in 1980, a through Baba
25:54
in 1990. Anyway, so junior,
25:56
you know, PSC Melbourne, sending
25:59
outside the op
26:01
con to, you know, control headquarters
26:04
and he'd go in and out every
26:06
time he would punch the Marine in
26:08
the stomach, right? The guy standing guard
26:10
at the Marine for us. So
26:13
it didn't matter who he was with, you know,
26:15
CNO, whatever, he you're going to
26:17
get punched. Can you imagine that happening today?
26:19
And then, and so, yeah,
26:21
of course, you know, and I promise
26:24
you, this is true, there were
26:26
guys who even put like, their
26:28
Mark books in, you know, under
26:30
their Charlie shirts. I mean, I
26:32
mean, or and and sometimes he walked
26:34
by you and then just elbow you and the
26:36
kidneys. It was hard, you know,
26:38
I mean, it really was. Yeah,
26:41
but but now can you imagine
26:43
that someone would complain and after enough,
26:45
it would be on it would be
26:48
on security camera, general assaults, you know,
26:50
on the GoPro, some nonce global, you
26:52
know, Snodgrass would be appearing on my
26:54
ribs. Oh, then
26:57
at a press conference with his family. Oh,
27:01
hey, we're pushing the time then. Is there anything
27:03
you want to wrap up
27:05
with? No, just that Putin in
27:07
his speech. He also like
27:11
echoed saying all the terrorists that were apprehended
27:13
and route to Ukraine, trying to
27:15
cross the border. He said that. Yeah. Okay.
27:19
And I don't think we said it, but Ukraine
27:21
has vehemently denied any
27:24
kind of anything
27:26
to do with any of this, whether or not
27:28
it's true. I can't say but
27:30
they immediately said it has nothing to do with
27:33
us. There's there
27:35
would be absolutely nothing, nothing,
27:37
nothing again. Yeah. And
27:39
a lot to be a lot right last.
27:43
Although you know, driving up to the
27:45
building in a van with Ukrainian flags
27:47
might be, you know, the
27:49
best, a really good method of doing this, you
27:52
know, hide in plain sight. Yeah. Anyway,
27:54
all right. On that note, everyone.
27:58
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