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Hi, this is Billie Jean King. This

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is Maryne Bartoli. I'm Matt Zwillander. This

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is Mary Carrillo. This is Pam Shriver.

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This is Yannick Noah, and you're listening

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to the tennis podcast. Hello,

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and welcome back to the

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eerily deserted media cafe here

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at Melbourne Park, around about

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an hour after the two

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women's singles semifinals have been

0:33

completed. Two straight sets, but

0:35

competitive matches won by the

0:38

defending champion Irina Sabalenko

0:40

over Coco Gough, and the first

0:42

time at Grand Slam finalist Jung

0:44

Shinwen over the qualifier

0:47

Diana Yastromska. Lots to talk

0:49

about, lots to look ahead to.

0:51

Matt here. Hello, Matt. Hello,

0:53

feeling better than when I was on the

0:55

podcast last night, knowing that I had about

0:57

two hours to sleep before Fulham, although

1:00

the football was a disaster.

1:03

Matt Zinner, the worst has happened. It

1:05

can only get better from here situation.

1:08

Exactly. David here. Hello, David. Hello. Yes,

1:10

I joined Matt for the last 10

1:12

minutes of the Fulham debacle, and there

1:14

was one fleeting moment when it looked

1:16

on, and the

1:19

ball didn't quite squeeze under the goalkeeper's

1:21

body, and Matt just sunk back into

1:23

the chair and then said, I'm going

1:25

back to bed. Why do we

1:27

follow sports? Why do we do it, to ourselves? It's

1:29

so damn cruel, and

1:31

I am thrilled to say that

1:33

joining us, as

1:36

is now tradition from any Grand Slam,

1:38

I think, your friend and mine, three-time

1:41

single semifinalist here at the

1:44

Australian Open, and seven-time doubles

1:46

champion Pamela Howard-Schriver.

1:49

Thank you, Pamela Howard. We went with

1:52

a formal introduction. First off, I just

1:54

hope the Ravens don't join Fulham on

1:56

the sidelines after their Go

1:59

with this. The Superbowl Sunday have

2:01

you got. Were. Playing

2:03

against Kansas City. It's

2:05

votes and otherwise. well no. It's not fortunate

2:08

that the both lost as we won at

2:10

the Bills to win, but it would have

2:12

been a bit of an uncomfortable for would

2:14

have been an uncomfortable podcast. Her cooler against

2:16

Shriver didn't have sex robots against try That

2:18

didn't happen. That is very root for the

2:21

Ravens is. Very difficult see way

2:23

to prepare your. Very important

2:25

in traces. Quite difficult the council

2:27

the numbers on your with the Pdf

2:29

page the number of times he he

2:32

won these things in a. Well,

2:35

I seven his right? Eye on them.

2:37

We went on. Seven on the trot is

2:39

not as I say this. Yeah, we lost

2:41

our first one and then Martina carried me

2:43

to seven in a row and our last

2:45

one we ever worked for able to win

2:47

was here and eighty nine. Com

2:51

it's great night have you on because there is. There

2:53

is a lot to talk about. I think we should.

2:55

Should work chronologically. Here and

2:57

start with the first semifinal of

3:00

the night coca goals against arena

3:02

sub length or a much that.

3:06

Certainly sir the first to the

3:08

first certain I think actually buying

3:10

launched throughout the much felt remarkably

3:12

to me similar to that us

3:15

eighth and final months. Just in

3:17

terms is. The. Mats

3:19

up the way they kind of

3:22

t t jigsaw puzzle pieces fit

3:24

to sit together. And yet it

3:26

was an entirely different outcome to

3:28

the Us Open Final. Match.

3:31

How did we find the much. Would.

3:34

Have we make the result? Or

3:36

I loved her. I love the much

3:38

pretty much from start to finish. Her

3:40

Other see I would have preferred a

3:42

concert just because you get more of

3:44

it and then you get the jeopardy

3:46

of of wondering whether. Someone.

3:49

To come holder made whether cartridge off

3:51

color returner and of because the so

3:53

much of play between these two. I

3:55

absolutely love the rivalry. I think it's

3:57

one of the best combinations of a

3:59

match. In the sport at the

4:01

moment, because of the style differences between

4:03

the two and because of. What's.

4:06

Coca Golf. Doesn't terms

4:08

of asking questions of several and cats who

4:10

was playing at a level. I

4:12

think head and shoulders above what she

4:14

was producing of us open. I don't

4:17

think that golf was that different to

4:19

the Us Open level tonight. What do

4:21

you think? Pam I'm in our i

4:23

really enjoyed of fighting spirit the way

4:25

she used her her legs to kind

4:28

of absorb and and just keep getting

4:30

more balls. bats. Yeah, I thought

4:32

cookers second serve was really off

4:34

tonight, especially in the first set.

4:38

Is that the Us Open? I felt

4:40

like her second serve held up a

4:42

little bit better. But you're right, When

4:44

they're some of those points where cook

4:46

off legs, gutter out of trouble and

4:49

saddling com made the error on maybe

4:51

does seventh or eighth hit for settling

4:53

it was so reminiscent of the open

4:55

arms. Sutherland to elevated

4:57

particularly midway through the second set. I

4:59

was really impressed with. Away sibling have

5:01

finished is quite interesting golf. In her

5:04

press conference said she felt like she

5:06

played better tonight son in the Us

5:08

Open final even though since he won

5:10

the Us Open final she said that

5:12

I just wasn't a good set of

5:14

high quality match. I think she was

5:17

frustrated by her level in that even

5:19

though she managed to to win it

5:21

she said sexy felt like she played

5:23

better tonight. I completely agree with Pam

5:25

like her a serve. Was a bit of

5:27

a liability the whole match. To think she'd

5:30

hit five double faults in the first three

5:32

service games and them broken twice and I

5:34

thought of that was undoing out of the

5:36

good work that she was. Doing. Elsewhere

5:38

in the map shot by using her

5:40

legs by extending the rallies and it

5:42

is to so subsidizing the effect that

5:45

that has on arena sampling to like

5:47

you you can feel the tightness in

5:49

the pressure. This happening is. Tired.

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7:08

she has been Old woman and I

7:10

was just impressed that she kept her

7:12

bid on it. Summer Lanka. Because started

7:14

to run away from her in the second

7:16

set when see that's enough. First set sorry

7:19

when she didn't take a set point single

7:21

broken and go for serving for the first

7:23

set of for and had them badly in

7:25

that game. but then seven incompetent or some

7:28

type right? like. Unbelievably. Good

7:30

and then is Pam said like the

7:32

acceleration from Southern Encourage at the end

7:34

the second set to Christmas and big

7:36

moments in a way that we've seen

7:38

her capitulate in grand some semi finals

7:40

and we've seen her not be able

7:42

to keep it together against Cook often

7:44

that you're so from final and. The.

7:47

For that reason I think this is

7:49

one assembling cause most impressive grandson wins

7:51

and would say because there was there

7:54

was a voters opportunity there for her

7:56

to let it go. Having

8:00

pray. Likewise, It

8:02

took a golf that the difference

8:04

in outcome down see how they

8:06

respectively served today compared sees in

8:08

New York a few months ago

8:10

and certain I went back and

8:12

looked at the stats from from

8:14

the Usa been compared to this

8:16

that survey and they they obsolete

8:18

lately t back it up a

8:20

double faults today from golf see

8:22

hit five without said the whole

8:25

three sets in the Us. Eighth

8:27

and final she had fifty seven

8:29

percent for serves in today she

8:31

was sixty. Six Six Percent. Back

8:34

to New York in Sub Lanka served

8:36

its seventy six percent into nine she

8:39

was at sixty two cents in the

8:41

Us Open Fine on. and you know

8:43

all the other percentages. winning percentages on

8:45

first and second said they will. They

8:48

will. Serve

8:50

that says that narrative as

8:52

well so I don't wanna

8:54

get too hard. On the

8:56

whole seems technical change to

8:58

the says that is quite

9:00

honestly I haven't to imperceptible

9:02

of the my i'm trained

9:04

eyes this. It just goes to show

9:06

you how. God. Damn hard it is

9:08

to make technical changes in the sport

9:11

and how little time there is says

9:13

that that ending get it into the

9:15

muscle memory such that it can stand

9:17

up to scrutiny on the biggest and

9:19

and census. The

9:21

stages would do think time when

9:23

when takes a Came out with

9:26

a with a slightly revised Andy

9:28

Roddick influenced service. Mason at the

9:30

started this yeah. Well.

9:33

Certainly the power was there were there was

9:35

a one twenty five mile an hour in

9:37

in my language I think it was like

9:40

to allows one or is that the first

9:42

are still not an Australian. It's crazy how

9:44

much tennis I've watched and I cannot convert

9:46

between promises brower mph like it will flash

9:49

off the com with his brow and I

9:51

i to google. The

9:53

combos in some ways that far, but I don't know.

9:56

How are still there? But I think it does. You're

9:59

right, it does. Time even a little

10:01

change and so I think will know

10:03

a lot more by the Indian Wells

10:05

Miami swaying about the serve. I

10:08

was. I was shocked really that couldn't

10:11

do a correction in the second serve.

10:14

Arm. And that's where you gotta have some

10:16

things you fall back on, especially with your

10:18

second serve that helps you get your rhythm

10:20

back to me to it for a while.

10:22

They're in the middle of the first. Such

10:24

as so. Hadn't done a second serve india. Is

10:28

the typical change Seeger on the second says

10:30

and on the first. I

10:34

don't I don't think so. but

10:36

I think the said is. Where.

10:39

My understanding of with of the chains that she's

10:41

made is that. As Pam said,

10:43

she's really getting a lot of pace and

10:45

will miss has a duty committing to that

10:48

first serve laces to trying to be aggressive

10:50

with as he spoke by in the press

10:52

conference from front of dominate with it and

10:54

the second serve seems a little bit more

10:56

tentatively she's not fully. In

10:58

on it perhaps I don't know That's

11:00

thus assist the theory that and may

11:02

be going on. Another theory is that

11:04

if you do have a little change

11:07

in the technique maybe the second serves

11:09

actually more difficult cause if you make

11:11

it you know you lose a point

11:13

says. Actually, maybe more pressure at the

11:15

beginning of a change? So I can

11:17

muster to see how she settles in. Because

11:19

it's brand new and it's did kind of

11:21

hint that exactly that. and her press conference.

11:23

Is supposed to be stealing she said

11:26

he stressed on the second says today.

11:29

And. It would be right with seven and

11:31

kiss with her younger and that swim.

11:33

The technical side of any stroke is

11:35

at it's most important to me when

11:37

you're stressed you need to be ah

11:39

to rely on whatever it is as

11:41

other maybe me as a non tennis

11:43

player and coach just watched her from

11:46

the outside. the serve as the part

11:48

of a dynamite underestimate the importance of

11:50

the most. Days according himself a

11:52

non tennis player a huge E D

11:54

self a disservice David. She say

11:56

my sinus infection the same as a back

11:58

for a significant admit. Immobile. Sam

12:01

is it. Well. Maybe

12:03

this depends on them on the player, but

12:05

is it. Is. It easier to

12:07

make technical changes in the sport because that's

12:09

probably what with folks home with Coca Golf.

12:12

like you know, we talk about her for

12:14

her and her serve or is it. easier

12:17

to make said of mindset. Changes.

12:20

And attach to big matches because I

12:22

feel like golf is. As. Really

12:24

said. Have nailed that part of the

12:26

game already at. At as a

12:28

teenager, stale and I feel like Sub A is

12:31

in a resort. Tonight she was. she was much

12:33

better tonight but she's had some really learn that

12:35

and he gets fiance that sort of what we

12:37

talk about with her as well as it's like

12:39

has go thanks You gotta be than an an

12:41

advantage in that sees men to be so strong

12:44

we're ready and she can make the technical changes

12:46

or is it actually. Worse.

12:48

That says, there were more technical changes to

12:50

mates sensitive some of her rivals the. Well,

12:53

I feel that. Cocoa Goths

12:56

mental strength is becoming.

12:59

One of the most talked about things in

13:01

the locker room. Actually, there's not hundred respect

13:03

what they've seen. In

13:06

up since she burst on the scenes but

13:08

especially. Since. Wimbledon and and

13:10

I know she's had changes in or team

13:12

and and that's been a big help. But

13:15

something's clicked. And

13:17

let's say said she seems to

13:19

have that champion mentality the I

13:21

observed with same Martina in with

13:23

Chrissy and then we saw in

13:26

more recent times with Roger and

13:28

Rafa. like even the greatest are.

13:30

Always willing. To. Try and

13:32

add some new things. Tinker with things. I

13:34

or Martina was always like I was like

13:36

my god you've lost two matches all year.

13:39

what are you messing with anything Or it's

13:41

a like a half way through are winning

13:43

streak of one hundred nine matches see like

13:45

comes up with the idea we should change

13:48

sides. I suffer from the sides to the

13:50

and side non white. Wait a second we

13:52

haven't lost and eighteen months. Since

13:55

always thinking. Like what could make for

13:57

better? and I think I see a little.

14:00

That with Cocos while and and when

14:02

a player does that do they have

14:04

to be prepared to take one step.

14:06

but in order to take. Two

14:09

or three all or move.

14:11

Forwards. Is. That part of it.

14:14

I think so. I think you have to

14:16

be have patience with any change. It's kind

14:18

of ensuring talking about cooker. Now with the

14:20

serve. That they haven't been

14:23

willing to tinker that much with a

14:25

forehand side, but they are with the

14:27

serve an. That's an interesting

14:29

point. Like if they're gonna. Be tinkering

14:31

with a shot during the off season. I

14:33

would have thought maybe they did do some

14:35

tinkering but nothing that they talked about. I

14:37

feel like kind of with a forehand. That.

14:40

The less the camp. Talks about it used

14:42

to be this way with like Sharapova serve

14:44

when she was have it on the trouble

14:46

double faults. her camps didn't want anybody talking

14:48

about all the double faults because would bring

14:51

pressure on the the served. In.

14:54

Here we are we gotta talk about us of yes he

14:56

was a fair either. Superior particular over the

14:58

summer last year prior to the Usa

15:00

thin were case a golf in had

15:03

very genial take a golf like ways.

15:05

Bristled at questions about have for hand

15:07

or member Mary Carillo. Also about

15:09

the for hand in different shape and preach

15:12

ornament press conference and. It's. Impossible

15:14

to bristle at married relay, but she.

15:16

Definitely the selected that.

15:19

Question. She didn't. She.

15:21

Didn't want. Said. The

15:24

for hunt is she says to be in

15:26

her mind wait. Did coco, she'll

15:28

marry her fangs set

15:30

up always. Defying the on ignore

15:33

of loot right I mean it was

15:35

it was such a fine you tennis

15:37

match was and it says it felt

15:39

like a final in terms of atmosphere

15:41

inside the stadium this the pin drop

15:43

silence between points right from the first

15:46

moment it was kind is there was

15:48

a reference wasn't there and it with

15:50

state with intensity which oversees my very

15:52

favorite saying it yet have thought about

15:54

it. right? the way three though

15:56

it was goose for free in in

15:58

that first because 5-2 becoming

16:01

5-6 and then a Tiber.

16:03

I mean you can't get better than that really in

16:05

terms of ups and downs in a tennis match and

16:07

both having the moments. And

16:09

I feel like they both

16:11

brought what they've got and

16:13

it really felt on a knife edge and that

16:16

is the ultimate really in tennis, isn't it? I

16:18

mean that's where the frustrations for me of a

16:20

final being best of three. I'm

16:24

almost just relieved. I'm spending most of

16:27

the set thinking thank goodness. This is

16:30

they're both bringing it at the same time because

16:32

you have so little time to get it together

16:34

and feel settled. But for

16:36

them you could feel their experience. They've

16:38

been there, they know how to do

16:40

it. I was much more concerned

16:42

for the second match in that way. They'd never done

16:45

this before. But gosh, it's

16:47

hard work and they delivered. It was

16:49

a brilliant contest. Yeah

16:51

and I don't want to hark on this too

16:54

much because it was two straight sets,

16:56

best of three matches tonight and they were great. It

16:58

was a great evening's entertainment and

17:00

that stands alone. However, I do

17:03

increasingly at these grand

17:06

slams, particularly in week two,

17:08

acutely feel the

17:11

injustice of women

17:14

playing best of three while the men play

17:16

best of five. Just how much

17:18

more men's tennis there is than

17:21

women's tennis and all the inevitable

17:24

consequences of that. Let alone the

17:27

individual impact. The

17:30

last media transport will be at

17:32

2am. The last media transport

17:34

will be at 2am. We'll

17:38

see what we can do. CBC or Mother

17:40

will be on that. Two straight sets

17:42

matches and here we are at 2am. Let

17:46

alone the individual impact on matches

17:48

and the totally different complexion it

17:50

puts on players

17:52

going into fantastically

17:54

weighty matches, the biggest moments of

17:56

their lives in lots of cases,

17:59

feeling like... oh my god if

18:01

I freeze it could all be over so quickly if

18:03

I you know I can lose the

18:05

first set and it could you know it's

18:08

just I just feel it more

18:10

and more acutely as time goes on. Yeah

18:15

personally I don't have a problem with

18:18

the three set format even in

18:21

even in big matches like I think that's

18:23

a great format of tennis but

18:25

I have a massive problem with

18:28

the inequality and it's becoming such

18:31

an issue like you know men's

18:34

matches delaying women's matches all the problems

18:36

we've talked about all week with the

18:38

schedule a lot of that is

18:40

because it's really hard to fit this many

18:42

five set matches into this tight schedule that

18:44

we have at the Slams and

18:46

and the fact that as you said in the second

18:48

week where eyeballs are on

18:50

this sport the TV time is

18:53

so heavily weighted to the men because

18:55

the matches are longer and yeah

18:57

I that's my biggest issue with it the

19:00

inequality although I do take the point

19:02

that sometimes finals can be you

19:04

know nervy and it's difficult for a player to get started but

19:06

I I tend to think that's

19:08

just sport but

19:12

I do have a big problem with the inequality. Where are you on that

19:14

now, Pam? I

19:16

well I think back to the Cincinnati

19:18

final last year that was how

19:21

long was that one before our the

19:23

the Alcaraz Djokovic I mean to me a

19:25

two out of three set that's unbelievably competitive that's

19:27

like two and a half to three hours

19:30

that's plenty of tennis for me

19:32

now I do think Sabalenka and

19:34

Coco Goff especially tonight played a

19:36

very fast tempo now it was

19:38

indoors it was cool they

19:41

didn't have to worry about the heat the Sun

19:43

the crowd was quiet there wasn't as much like

19:45

movement at the back the

19:48

spectators coming in and there were many

19:51

times where on ESPN we were

19:53

hearing like can

19:55

somebody please hold them to their chairs

19:57

like for 20 more seconds they were

20:00

getting up a little bit early. So they were in

20:02

fast mode. So it's only an hour and 40 minutes but

20:04

I felt like if that was a men's match

20:06

played in the heat 7-6-6-4

20:08

that same match as competitive as it

20:10

was would have been like two hours

20:12

and 15 minutes. Yeah

20:16

I share

20:18

all of those views. Ultimately

20:20

I do like best-of-five

20:23

set format. We've made it very clear

20:25

what our sort of preferences for how

20:27

a grand slam should be structured but

20:30

if it takes getting rid of best-of-five

20:32

altogether to achieve

20:34

equality of formats then I'll sign up

20:36

for that in a heartbeat. The thing that

20:39

you need most are the people who make

20:41

the decisions to put matches on like

20:43

especially free-to-air TV. They have to

20:46

assign more fairly what

20:49

people can watch because unfortunately what

20:51

I've experienced in markets outside of

20:53

the US. I feel like in the US we're pretty

20:56

far ahead on this game but they

20:58

really err on the side of just

21:01

default to a men's match even when

21:03

there's a great women's match on. You

21:05

know like whether it was the EGA

21:07

Collins match that was unbelievable. Even the

21:09

42 point tie break

21:13

that I think the host broadcaster here showed just

21:15

a couple points of on the free-to-air. That kind

21:17

of thing is like it's 2023. We can't have that

21:21

and then people wonder why at the end

21:23

of the tournament the women have been so

21:26

under marketed and under exposed that of

21:28

course there's not the same interest because they

21:30

haven't had the main advertisement so it's a

21:32

cycle. Anyway all right. Preach

21:36

Pam. Why can't

21:38

we have Dom on? Pam on

21:40

every day. Pam's sipping a

21:42

drink now. Pam brought contraband

21:45

to the park. Pam bought both

21:47

her self and her expertise and

21:49

contraband to the party today. We

21:51

love Pam. So that was

21:54

the first women's

21:56

singles semi-final. Just wanted to

21:58

touch on that. upon the

22:00

post-match interview on court conducted

22:03

by Elena Dokic. There's been a

22:05

whole bit with towels

22:08

and Channel 9 and Dokic

22:11

throughout this tournament where

22:15

the Channel 9 people ask for towels. I

22:17

don't quite understand it. It's been a whole

22:19

thing on Australian TV and Dokic

22:25

started asking Sabalenko

22:27

for one of her towels and I

22:29

think everybody thought this is just going to be another

22:32

one of these moments.

22:34

Then Elena Dokic said,

22:38

what I actually want to do is for you to give me one of

22:40

your towels. I'll get

22:42

it signed by you and we'll auction it

22:45

off with the proceeds going to a charity

22:48

supporting women and children

22:50

who are victims of domestic violence which

22:52

is obviously a cause very close

22:54

to Elena Dokic's heart having

22:57

been a victim of exactly that, something

22:59

that she's spoken about at

23:01

length. My understanding is that

23:03

this was Elena

23:06

Dokic's initiative, not something kind

23:08

of official by the

23:10

tournament. I have

23:12

no idea whether it is in

23:14

any way related to the

23:17

outstanding allegations against men and semi-finalist Alexander

23:19

Zverev and the trial that he'll be

23:22

facing in May. He denies those allegations

23:24

I should say but

23:27

it would be tremendously coincidental I think if

23:29

it weren't

23:31

related. Related

23:34

or not, good on you, Elena

23:36

Dokic. It was quite a moment. It

23:38

was received uproariously

23:40

by the Rod Labour crowd, wasn't it?

23:43

It was a stunning ovation and

23:46

for a prolonged period she

23:49

really resonated there and

23:51

that was a moment

23:54

that I won't forget. And

23:56

just while we're on receptions By

23:59

the Rod Labour, Lena crowds that

24:01

I even get on with on

24:03

it before the women's singles semi

24:05

finals. This year is fifty years.

24:08

He listed the Australian Open title

24:10

for the first time as he

24:12

was on Its Tonight for the

24:15

incredible contribution the she's made for

24:17

the sport as he the sports,

24:19

He had nation and has heritage

24:22

and said they said at the

24:24

ceremony. During the ceremony they announce

24:26

that from next year the Australian

24:29

Open Annual Celebration. Of First Nations coat

24:31

said during the first visit to on months

24:33

will be known as eve on due to

24:35

com calling day. And

24:38

they will host an event called

24:40

because it is on a breakfast

24:42

followed by a ceremonial whoop to

24:44

Melbourne Park. With all funds

24:46

raised going towards Yvonne's life's work improving

24:48

the lives. Of. Indigenous kids

24:50

through education and sports

24:53

and. To celebrate them and is

24:55

the strangest. And eight hundred thousand dollars.

24:58

To. That program and see radio we

25:00

we did or attends we live show

25:02

on of on. And I

25:04

mean. This is

25:06

this is not on his books to he

25:09

so often as a man a couple a

25:11

times a year and wave stuff that of

25:13

on the to go on this is been

25:15

doing for the schools This to say her

25:17

life's. Work if they if they really

25:19

mean it yoga at him a petition

25:21

that others who lived as one of

25:24

the ones that are have to use

25:26

we we did because I got for

25:28

learn about who she is or what

25:30

see what she stands for the impact

25:33

she had and still continues to have

25:35

an hour I have considered to be

25:37

watching move the coverage when she was

25:39

told. Him the ceremony About

25:41

this this move by Tennis Australia

25:43

to make this of on goolagong

25:46

guys are a look of shock

25:48

on her face and surprise and

25:50

happiness was was really told you

25:52

something. This is not somebody who

25:54

takes for granted or as blogs

25:56

eyes or assumes that she's gonna

25:58

be honored. She is. She's

26:00

one of a lot of did you

26:03

know her palm you as really. Fortunate

26:05

when I started to play in Nineteen Seventy

26:07

Eight as a fifteen and sixteen year old

26:09

that year, my rookie. Year she was very

26:11

much still on the tour she hadn't

26:13

yet. One hurt second woman would she

26:15

would win in Nineteen eighty as a

26:17

mom and there wouldn't be another mom

26:19

to win a major and told cloisters

26:21

one, the Us Open and nine and

26:24

I was able to play against the

26:26

Bond and singles a couple of times,

26:28

share a lot of moments with her

26:30

shoes from she lived a lot of

26:32

those years when she was on the

26:34

Torn, the seventies and early eighties and

26:36

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina which had

26:38

one of the greatest. Stops sounds Charleston

26:41

stop on the tour, but it's

26:43

legendary going back to the early

26:45

seventies. And that was her. Home and

26:47

I can to having some fun moments at her.

26:49

Home tournaments. And. Then I

26:51

I got a new sub one time when I was

26:54

down here in Australia which is where she lives now

26:56

for many. Many years with Roger. and

26:58

you're right. It's like we have

27:00

champions. That. Give back. But

27:02

then you have champions that give back

27:04

and she gives back. Makes

27:07

me very happy to think is even Gilligan

27:09

Coli living in the said that is one

27:11

of my favorite places I've ever been. Oh

27:14

really, that's us and New

27:16

Suffer during. The day at because

27:18

I was told it's assault free zones

27:20

and that's really like it's what I'm

27:22

looking. For his Australian beats, it's.

27:26

And the it meant that oversee even

27:28

Gilligan that call he was am on

27:30

it before the first semifinal but then

27:32

she she went and sit in their

27:35

presidents books towards the semifinals as you

27:37

sat next to Billie Jean King and

27:39

I just I was watching the tennis

27:41

but I was also watching them chit

27:43

chat three the much and thinking I

27:45

signs on another why can't we hear

27:47

there's someone out when I heard him

27:49

off of. Onto

27:51

the seconds semi final Version

27:53

Sin when she sets against

27:55

the on his friends to

27:57

he received quite of worry.

28:00

Looking injury time outs midway three

28:02

the first. Certain at that point I was

28:04

thinking oh my god this is this is

28:06

gonna be. Awkward. And

28:08

that's the. In a as much

28:10

as as much as zoom Zoom were

28:12

miss the better player. I was really

28:14

impressed with how competitive a much this

28:16

ended up being given. Given. How

28:19

bad that injury? Time Out looked at the

28:21

time there was a it was a

28:23

really interesting match because talking about player

28:25

Sessler know I got to watch the

28:28

match with some the Rupert who made

28:30

a semi final here in nineteen ninety

28:32

six right rum see have them she

28:34

beat every other Sabatini she says she

28:36

beats or uncensored Victoria when the quarterfinals

28:39

sixteen fourteen in the third set and

28:41

then faces horrible Monica seles him in

28:43

the semi finals and are and I'm

28:45

kind of face how did you settle,

28:48

how did you and seats. Ended up

28:50

losing that much Seven, five and the third.

28:52

So she settled and she was. She was

28:54

on the brink of victory five to one

28:56

point in the third said she was talking

28:58

about a you got to be kids as

29:01

here in India stamps current was young. She

29:03

said they have to be able to really

29:05

go after the shots. they got to his

29:07

house and accelerate through the ball. but I

29:09

gotta do it down the middle of a

29:11

bit you know and not just go for

29:13

lines and that. that made sense a lot

29:16

to me and I felt like that's what

29:18

the two players kind of did in other

29:20

worse than ever sprayed. But this wasn't. Mosque.

29:23

Of or ignorance is strength from from

29:25

yesterday this was seem like it's pretty

29:27

good quality. Matter of rule from and

29:29

I thought it for their first major

29:31

semi final. I thought it was actually

29:34

a really high quality as well. As

29:37

yes, Trump's. That tends to have

29:39

a reputation as just going for

29:41

it and no such. He was

29:43

able to win restraint qualifying matches

29:45

and three sets and then he

29:47

ponderosa for that sort of started

29:49

to telecasts that this is gonna

29:51

be. a lot upsets on the

29:53

women side again carried all the way treated

29:55

a semi is obviously ukraine story comes into

29:57

play and everything they've been to hc Super

30:00

impressed. So many of the Ukrainian

30:02

players have a better ranking now

30:05

than they did when the war broke

30:07

out two years ago. So it shows

30:09

you a little bit about the mental

30:11

strength. And just

30:13

they're in full warrior mode here, literally

30:15

on the tennis court. I

30:17

thought it was a good performance. I

30:20

thought, I think we all figured that Zhong would

30:23

probably win the match. And she

30:25

was a little too good. And I like the way she

30:27

ended it with a big winning serve. And

30:30

she held her composure. It wasn't perfect. A

30:32

lot of forehands still looked a little nervous.

30:35

Shonky! Yes, that word of last night.

30:37

Simon's word. And actually,

30:40

to your point, Catherine, about the medical time

30:42

out. I mean, Yostremska is the one who

30:44

broke first. She broke for two, love. And

30:46

she's hitting absolutely glorious backhands down the line. She

30:50

also hits her lovely inside out backhands in

30:52

the center of the court, which was just

30:54

stinging Zhong and getting her to hit long

30:56

and late a lot of the time. And

30:59

then we had the Zhong surge

31:02

again, just like we had in

31:04

the third set. Honestly, that

31:08

gives me goosebumps when she finds that

31:12

moment where it all comes

31:14

together. She's an awesome

31:16

player. And I... Look,

31:20

Yostremska's had a lot of tennis. And she

31:22

got stretched out to her right with a

31:24

brilliant cross-court forehand by Zhong. And then just

31:27

sort of started to clutch her side. And

31:30

it did go through my head. She

31:32

may be hurting, but I think also she's hurting

31:35

psychologically here because suddenly she can't live with

31:37

this. And I'm not saying she was cheating

31:39

or it was real gamesmanship

31:42

that she was intending, but I think

31:44

she thought, I can't cope. I can't

31:46

deal with this. I am hurting a

31:48

bit. And she had a medical time

31:50

out or she went off to the court. It

31:52

was a seven-minute delay. They come

31:54

back and Zhong did lose her

31:56

timing. She managed to just

31:59

about hold it on. But you know these

32:01

things they are gray areas

32:03

aren't they and and and your strengths

32:05

seemed fine after that physically in terms

32:07

of being able to play the match

32:10

but Jung

32:12

was a worthy winner overall. Yeah,

32:15

I was I was very impressed I I

32:17

felt like she absorbed a lot of your

32:19

strengths his pace pretty well tonight There

32:21

were a couple of nice slice forehand that

32:24

Jung played actually which was which was impressive

32:26

That's new and hey or Pam just For

32:32

and still relevant, you know what Pam I

32:34

think that's been a bit of a feature

32:37

of this tournament in my look This is

32:39

a small sample size. It might just be

32:41

an anomaly in the matches I've commentated but

32:44

I have remarked upon the prevalence

32:46

of Slice forehands quite a

32:48

lot over the last two weeks. I think they're

32:50

making a comeback Do

32:52

you would you have a different one Pam if you

32:54

if you could start again? I would I have a

32:56

different different type of forehand or would you just stick

32:58

with the I think I think I will I like

33:01

The forehand that can both hit

33:03

topspin and slice It's

33:10

1 a.m. She's on her way to the

33:12

interview room what a stupid sport Sorry,

33:16

Matt, we derailed you sorry. No, I bought

33:18

it up rolling power. I brought it up

33:21

and I actually forgot that we That we

33:23

had the the doy end

33:25

of the slice forehand with us So,

33:29

yeah, and then as David said those

33:31

surges from Jung were impressive first set

33:33

and second set She's done that all

33:36

tournament. I just I

33:38

think it's Fascinating that

33:40

she hasn't faced The

33:46

highest ranked player she's faced is Katie Boulter now

33:51

I I feel like the final might be

33:53

a bit of You

33:55

know Saba link Doing a bit of a Taylor

33:58

Fritz. Well, she hasn't seen my pace. You

34:01

know it's and like. Actually, that

34:03

being through. An

34:07

ad and the thing is like no one's

34:09

got weights of shot and says the the

34:11

incense on every shot that ring assembling to

34:14

has by his see is a one off

34:16

with that at the moment I think and

34:18

and she said than see in in a

34:20

press conference about Lanka how much she's works

34:23

on in the off season hitting a big

34:25

shot and following it is and this and

34:27

she did that pretty well tonight you know

34:29

since just than that in I'm not not

34:32

always with amazing volleys sometimes. With decent

34:34

drive. Bullies. And

34:36

I just. That there's gonna be the aspects

34:39

of Kim Jong Un. Cope in her

34:41

first grand. some final siblings has died a few

34:43

of them now. But. I

34:45

I just I'm fascinated says actually

34:47

see songs level against. A

34:50

Pyro siblings his class because we haven't we

34:52

literally haven't seen It Will tournament. I see

34:54

some exactly what she needed to do but

34:56

this is not any A step up it's

34:58

it's a few steps up in the biggest

35:01

max if allies. I I d believe

35:03

incidents top level. I really do

35:05

you think it is? Is

35:08

able to compete with maybe? no, I'm not

35:10

saying it can be the sub length her

35:12

said. I believe it's able. The. It

35:15

can compete with the best. I

35:17

d worry about her ability to

35:19

produce said top level as consistently

35:22

is she'll need see and in

35:24

those circumstances totally golf with that

35:26

see. The loss is kind of

35:29

a bit of a throwaway moment

35:31

at the end of Gov. Press.

35:34

Conference she disaster at this point said

35:36

there was no results is from score

35:38

Nam zoom we just getting going with

35:40

that much but she was asked. What?

35:44

More does the secret to be Singh

35:46

Sabha Lanka in a what advice would

35:49

you give to celebrities that when she

35:51

was like lolita still my attempts be

35:53

set for length or of is the

35:55

either nice but she did say ah.

35:58

The. most important thing will be regardless of who it

36:00

is, it'll be their first radio in a grand

36:03

slam final. And she said, I remember

36:05

my first grand slam final and mentally

36:07

it was not pretty for me. So

36:09

try and pretend that it's not your

36:12

first grand slam final. Although Coco Goffs

36:14

was against Ego Shveontek at Roland Garros,

36:16

which is different than even though

36:18

Sabalenka is the defending champ. So

36:20

they played the quarterfinals, USO,

36:23

Zhejiang and Sabalenka. And I

36:25

looked up the stats today, just remind me about a couple

36:27

of things. Sabalenka only lost

36:30

nine points on serve for

36:32

the match. She won like

36:35

it was something like in the mid 80s first

36:37

serve percentage and then

36:39

won a ridiculous amount on her second

36:41

serve as well. So Zhejiang had no idea

36:43

how to, and I think

36:45

PeraRibo will get her much more prepared

36:48

for how to return the Sabalenka serve

36:50

much better. So I think that's

36:52

going to be an immediate improvement. I also

36:54

think since last year's US Open, you think

36:56

about the fall swing, Zhejiang played really well.

36:59

She kind of gone a level up

37:01

in maturity. So I think it's

37:03

going to be a competitive final. You

37:05

know, obviously the wild card is the nerves, but

37:07

you know, Sabalenka, this

37:10

is the match she played the best match she's

37:12

ever played. I mean, Coco Goff in the semis

37:16

was a great match that Sabalenka just played.

37:18

But that final last year was one

37:21

of the greatest finals that I've ever

37:23

seen. Wow.

37:26

You mentioned PeraRibo there. That's an

37:28

interesting element to all this. I

37:30

was desperate for Matt to

37:33

work his magic on a start about a coach,

37:37

any coach, whether any coach in history

37:39

has ever won back to back slams

37:41

with two different players.

37:46

I'd actually tapped out of that step because I just

37:48

didn't think it was going to be possible to look

37:50

that up. It probably would have been Harry Hartman back

37:52

in the day, right? Cause he was the coach

37:54

for the whole game. Basically

37:56

there isn't data on it. So it's

37:58

out of reach. even Matt's powers

38:01

devastatingly. But suffice to say, look

38:03

I know

38:05

Sablank is the favourite, it's unlikely,

38:07

but what a feat. What

38:09

a feat from him to do

38:11

this. Yeah, yeah,

38:13

because he, it's pretty recent isn't

38:15

it? And it's

38:18

working, whatever he's doing, whatever they're doing,

38:20

it is working as a combo. What,

38:23

what do you think the

38:26

message will be from him to get

38:29

her, or what do you

38:31

think she needs to do to get comfortable out

38:33

there? Well, first off, I

38:36

think ParaRiba would have learned

38:38

a lot, not just from

38:40

observing Coco Golf, but also from sitting

38:42

alongside Brad Gilbert during that

38:45

whole summer in the US summer last

38:47

year, including the US Open, because of

38:49

course Brad helped coach Andy Roddick

38:51

to his US Open, and

38:53

also Andy Murray successfully. And

38:56

so I think ParaRiba is going to

38:58

go into this final

39:00

and help ParaJung in a way that

39:03

she's never, that it's going to

39:05

really help her in a big way. And

39:08

listen, the other coaching camp, we got to

39:10

give kudos there because they've stuck together through

39:13

thick and thin. Just want

39:15

to quickly remind people that like the worst yips

39:17

of all time, which is two years ago, Sabalenka,

39:19

we have two people in the final weekend

39:21

of the Australian Open, Sabalenka

39:23

and Zverev, that guy,

39:26

who they've had

39:28

amazing renaissance on serve. And I

39:30

think it goes to show that even

39:32

if you have a shot, and maybe Coco

39:34

Golf can take this for the forehand, that

39:36

can really just go off in a bad

39:39

way, that you can recover

39:41

to find a baseline that

39:43

is much better than what it is

39:46

that it's worst. I'm not too assuring,

39:48

Pam, because I've had the service yips for 15 years. All

39:52

about the bull tots for you. What

39:55

a concealed bull tots. Last night in

39:57

ESPN studio at Chris Mackenzie.

40:00

We are hosts didn't want to have a bread roll and

40:02

I tried to throw it into the trash bin. That was

40:04

only. Like eight feet away and I've always

40:06

been able to make this. I did the

40:08

worst. Yep, it. Actually went out the

40:10

door in the hit somebody that

40:12

was walking in the hallway. anyway

40:14

I was he called. His he

40:16

got hit by Bread Rolls Royce by

40:19

Pam Sry. the. Of it's

40:21

he sees at his name is that was

40:23

he. Said.

40:26

You got the tanks and that my school for

40:29

missing that there was a teacher has used to

40:31

cease to let you throw paper in a been

40:33

is if he wanted to but if he misses

40:35

the sanctions to use the gun would put a

40:37

cool guy. Yes so you for going to Thanks

40:40

Is that why you're here. I

40:42

miss the been and professors math lessons and mister

40:44

Bin and miss the coasts your math lessons as

40:46

the sea of people in detention for missing the

40:49

do. You. Ever dated to since Other. I

40:51

never had missed the coasts. Your former. For.

40:54

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40:57

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40:59

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a superstar today. I'm

44:44

just going to touch on a couple of

44:46

other things, notably that happened today before we

44:48

have a quick look ahead to tomorrow's matches.

44:50

I think we had the best doubles match

44:53

of the fortnight today. Now I know that

44:56

I haven't deep dived on all the doubles,

44:58

but we watched quite a lot of Siwo

45:00

Shee and Eliza Mertens beating Storm Hunter

45:03

and Katarina Siniakova, 75, 16, 63, to

45:07

reach the women's doubles final. And the

45:09

noises Matt made during

45:12

this match pretty much are

45:15

a match for any excited noise Matt has

45:17

made this fortnight. Can I hear some of those

45:19

noises? Oh, Shay.

45:22

Wow. Oh. She's

45:25

a genius. He kept shouting Siwo

45:27

Shee's name. It was

45:29

the same noise as I made that when

45:31

Eliza Deops called for Fulham and I woke

45:33

David up. Can confirm.

45:36

The thing is, like, she's

45:39

just so casual about it. That's what

45:41

I love about it. Like she's pulled

45:43

off this incredible shot and like her

45:45

partner, Eliza Mertens, is a gasp,

45:48

a disbelief at what she's pulled off. And Shay's

45:50

just there doing a sort of little celebration

45:52

like this. Like, yeah, I do this all the

45:55

time. Her hand skills

45:57

are phenomenal. There was two points

45:59

back. to back to get the crucial

46:01

break in the third set where she came

46:03

up with these winning, I think one was

46:05

a winning volley, one was a winning half

46:07

volley. It was just remarkable and yes she's

46:09

into both doubles finals isn't she,

46:12

women's doubles and mixed doubles.

46:14

She's a bit of a cheat code

46:16

I think on the doubles court because

46:18

her hands, her disguise on all her

46:20

shots is just amazing.

46:23

She reads the play and it's

46:26

so important in doubles. She just has

46:28

this sense of where to go and

46:30

also just uses the geometry of the

46:32

court. She uses a

46:34

savant, double savant. She's

46:37

the Adria Manarino of the women's

46:40

doubles court. We don't know who

46:42

they will play in the

46:45

women's doubles final because the other semi-final

46:47

was I think a victim of the

46:49

reign today. It'll be played tomorrow. We

46:52

also watched quite a lot of the

46:54

men's doubles semi-final between best player in

46:56

the world Thomas Mahatch and

46:58

Jung Ji-Jin who were beaten by Rohan

47:00

Bapana, new world number

47:02

one, aged 43 and Matt Edden,

47:04

76 in the third. Bapana and

47:07

Edden will play Simone

47:09

Ballelli and Andrea Vavassori who

47:11

also won 76 in the

47:14

third today. It's been a good

47:16

doubles day isn't it? Yeah we really

47:18

enjoyed both those matches didn't

47:20

we? Can we just pause for a minute on

47:22

this 43 year old Bapana being number one in

47:25

the world? It's something else.

47:28

It is unreal right? I

47:30

mean I always think about how Martina Navisilovo in

47:33

her last match

47:35

ever won the US

47:37

Open Mixed Doubles alongside one of the

47:39

Bryan twins. Maybe you can help me

47:41

remember which one. Was

47:43

it not alongside Leander Pais? No it was

47:46

with Mike or Bob Bryan. She

47:48

did win majors with Leander who's getting

47:50

into the International Tennis Hall of Fame

47:52

in July alongside Vijay Amatrage. But

47:57

it's crazy to have a 43 year old. year

48:00

old at the top but Martina won a US Open

48:02

doubles the month before she turned 50.

48:06

Seven years to go Rohan

48:09

the lights have just gone off.

48:11

I trust you guys it's all good. We

48:13

are podcasting in the dark. I

48:16

can confirm it was Bob Bryan in 2006

48:18

at the US

48:21

Open extraordinary. Alfie

48:23

Hewitt reached the men's wheelchair singles finals

48:26

today he beat Joaquin Gerrard 6-4 6-1

48:28

he'll face T'ikito

48:30

Oda in the finals who beat

48:32

Gordon Reed today in two very

48:34

tight sets. The quad wheelchair singles

48:36

final will be contested by Sam

48:38

Schroeder and Guy Sasson who

48:41

is an Israeli player that I have

48:43

tried to Google and find things out

48:45

about but the internet

48:47

including the Australian Open apps knows

48:49

nothing about this man but

48:52

he's clearly a talent because he's also

48:55

into the quad wheelchair doubles final alongside

48:57

South African Donald Rampardi they've won by

48:59

walkover today with the top seeds Niels

49:01

Vincen and Sam Schroeder so I will

49:04

I will keep going in my quest to find out

49:06

about Guy Sasson. Top

49:08

seed Dida Dehut will face second

49:10

seed Yui Kmeiji in

49:13

the women's wheelchair singles final and the

49:15

women's wheelchair doubles with heavily rain affected

49:17

today so they're still at the semi-final

49:19

stage and those will be played tomorrow

49:22

and will bring you the results of

49:24

that PAM the

49:26

men's singles semi-finals you'll be on

49:28

you'll be on a plane sailing

49:30

back home. Well I'll be

49:32

able to watch first one okay all of it and

49:34

some of the second one I

49:37

think the Sinner Djokovic semi-final

49:39

is fascinating because of what Sinner did

49:41

the end of last year beating him

49:43

twice having a tremendous finish

49:45

I think it's fascinating that Sinner

49:47

did not play a tournament coming into this

49:49

Australian Open guess what it's it's played out

49:51

well for him and in many ways I

49:53

think Medvedev as well and Djokovic

49:56

just looked at you know at times a little

49:58

bit I don't I don't think there's quite

50:01

the aura. I don't think Djokovic walks out the semi-final

50:03

of the major against Sinner with as

50:05

much of an

50:07

intimidating aura as many

50:09

other semi-finals. Because

50:11

Sinner's got those two wins against him or

50:13

because there's no axe level generally in the

50:16

form of him? Dropping a set, what, three

50:18

different times in the tournament? Just

50:21

a combination of everything. I

50:24

sat next to Darren Cahill for about four hours tonight

50:27

because we were both doing the studio during the... This

50:29

is the stuff, Bob. And Darren

50:32

said he's never been so excited

50:34

and nervous for a match. He knows

50:37

Yannick's form in recent

50:39

months. He puts them right

50:41

there. But obviously doing it

50:43

three out of five. But

50:45

to see Darren's excitement for

50:48

this, it was just funny to see. It's

50:52

funny, isn't it? Because

50:54

the semi-final is actually where

50:56

Djokovic has been the hardest to

50:59

beat. He's won

51:01

22 of his last 23 Grand

51:04

Slam semi-finals. The

51:06

one he lost in that was that one, that

51:09

really windy one over two days against Dominic Thiem

51:11

at Roland Garros. Got

51:13

that weird match where he just packed up his stuff

51:15

and left it off. And

51:18

of course he's never lost an

51:20

Australian Open semi-final. Everything

51:23

is on Djokovic's side there. I

51:27

don't know if Cinna knows that, but he's never... Probably

51:29

best not know him. Oh no.

51:32

But no backhouse. Is

51:34

there a guy that will know everything about that? Will he withhold that in the race?

51:38

Yes. I've

51:41

just been thinking about their matches at the end of

51:43

last year. I know

51:46

Cinna won two of them, but

51:49

the final of the ATP finals was

51:52

very one-sided in Djokovic's

51:54

favour. He had the

51:57

three match points in the Davis Cup. And

52:00

the group stage one, it's a group stage,

52:02

it's always a little bit weird, isn't it?

52:05

Djokovic, he

52:08

was awesome in that ATP finals final.

52:10

The way he was so aggressive with

52:12

his forehand, he was dominating the rallies.

52:15

I think that one has maybe been a little

52:17

bit forgotten in the series, that we're

52:19

all talking about the fact that Cinna won two of

52:21

them, and he did. Of course, we have to factor

52:23

that in. But in the

52:25

one that was sort of in the most, probably

52:28

the most normal circumstances, I would say, not

52:31

a Davis Cup, just a straight final,

52:34

Djokovic won it, and he won it pretty

52:37

convincingly. But I

52:39

can't see it being straightforward for Djokovic.

52:42

I just think Cinna's in such good

52:44

form. But I think I will be

52:46

picking Djokovic to win, but this

52:50

feels like a huge test on his hands against

52:52

Cinna in

52:55

a way that we haven't really seen him have in

52:59

a lot of majors recently, other than Al

53:01

Khraaz, I would say. I agree with

53:03

you. I

53:06

look far more at the Davis Cup match

53:08

than I do those two

53:10

at the ATP finals, because I was

53:13

there for both those matches. And I just

53:17

don't think Djokovic in round-robin, where he

53:20

doesn't have to win, is the same

53:22

beast as Djokovic in a final. So

53:24

I really don't, not that

53:26

that win is irrelevant,

53:29

Cinna over Djokovic in the group stages,

53:32

it's very relevant for Cinna, it's not

53:34

that relevant for Novak Djokovic, I don't

53:36

think. And

53:39

yeah, it was pretty one-sided in the

53:41

final in the end. So I do

53:43

read more into the final than I

53:46

do into the group stages. But Djokovic

53:52

at the Australian Open in a Grand Slam semi-final,

53:54

isn't it? Yeah, I remember

53:56

the group stage match at the ATP

53:58

finals. You could see Djokovic... hadn't

54:00

got the intensity in his eyes. He was actually

54:02

trying to have a hitting contest with Yannick Sinner.

54:05

Almost like for fun. He was just

54:07

trying to see if he could do it that way and I

54:09

don't think he could really be bothered to dig in. And

54:12

he lost. The final was a

54:14

totally different match. The

54:16

Davis Cup one is really interesting because he

54:18

desperately wanted to win that. He got himself

54:20

into the position to win it and

54:23

he didn't win it. So that

54:25

is a really interesting development

54:27

in their rivalry. I just

54:29

don't see Sinner not turning

54:31

up and playing really well. I

54:33

think he plays well tomorrow. Whether

54:37

it's enough is another matter. Medvedev's

54:39

there, Ev? Well,

54:42

let's see. It's 11-7 for

54:45

Medvedev. That piece of work.

54:48

And what

54:51

a tournament Medvedev has had here. I

54:53

mean, a second round match. Rusevori,

54:56

two sets of love down, finish at 3.40

54:58

in the morning. I

55:01

mean, literally that's like flying to Europe and back

55:03

in the middle of a major. Like it

55:05

feels like you have jet lag. I called that

55:07

match. I had jet lag for

55:09

like days and I didn't play. I didn't have to

55:11

do the wind down or whatever. I

55:16

thought Medvedev's quarterfinal

55:19

match against Herkach

55:22

was fascinating. Like

55:24

you saw Medvedev and all of

55:26

the twists and turns and was

55:29

he really feeling awful there in the

55:31

third, the beginning, the fourth? And then

55:33

how he managed himself. He

55:35

got some drink from his

55:37

team that seemed to give

55:40

him extra life. And I thought

55:42

the tactical changes with his return serve

55:44

position at the beginning. Medvedev's

55:49

fascinated by him. Zverev,

55:52

I don't really look forward to

55:54

talking about him. If I can just stick

55:56

to his tennis and compartmentalize what's happening on

55:58

the court. He's competed

56:01

great winning two match

56:03

tie breaks. Serving

56:05

at 85% first serves in is

56:07

one of the greatest serving performances

56:09

to be a major

56:11

winner in Alkarez. It was crazy, but

56:14

I think Medvedev is going to win. I think it's

56:16

going to be tight. Just

56:22

on that, Medvedev's form

56:24

hasn't looked great to me, and

56:26

yet we've

56:28

seen several times this week when

56:30

somebody then plays somebody better, they

56:33

find something else in their game. And

56:36

I can't believe that Medvedev doesn't

56:38

find that something tomorrow. Just

56:42

quickly on something that we touched upon

56:44

last night, David, we wrapped

56:46

up our discussion about

56:49

Azveirov with you wondering

56:52

what had happened with the

56:54

ATP, pledging

56:56

to develop a domestic violence policy.

56:58

We got in touch with Simon

57:00

Higgson, head of corporate communications, I

57:02

think, at the ATP

57:05

on that matter today. And the

57:08

response was, thus, we are aware

57:10

of the upcoming legal trial involving

57:12

Alexander Zverev and will not be

57:15

commenting until that process is complete.

57:18

And regarding safeguarding, they pointed out

57:20

that the ATP hired a director

57:23

of safeguarding in 2023 to

57:25

lead on new safeguarding strategy and

57:28

further updates will be communicated

57:30

in due course. That head

57:33

of safeguarding, director of safeguarding, is

57:35

Andrew Azapadi, and he was hired

57:38

in February or

57:41

March of last year. So it's been a while,

57:45

and we continue to

57:47

watch this space. I

57:50

kind of want to find other things

57:52

to talk about just to keep chatting to Pam,

57:55

but Pam's falling

57:57

asleep. They turn the lights off. Oh

58:01

my goodness! It's 1.24! Welcome

58:05

to our world, Pam! Permanent

58:07

jack-lag for us. Have

58:09

you heard about Asha, our

58:12

mascot? Yes, I have. Asha

58:15

is lovely. Have you heard about

58:17

Francis Darwin, Heider and Soma, our

58:19

respective mascots, whom we are disgracing

58:23

daily? Although we all got points today, did

58:25

we? Did we? Even me? Yeah.

58:27

I take it all back. Pam,

58:29

have you heard about Francis Darwin, Heider and Soma,

58:31

who we are doing proud, daily? I

58:35

have. I've been listening all the

58:37

way to the end of the podcast, walking

58:39

down from the hotel to the courts,

58:42

and been listening to the end. Oh, bless

58:44

you, Pam. Trying to figure out what name

58:46

I can think of in tennis history to

58:48

be one of the shout-outs. Well, it's standby,

58:50

Pam. Yes. You told us

58:52

one the other day that we'd missed.

58:54

Marjorie Blackwood. That was it? Wait,

58:57

I remembered something to Matt. I'm

58:59

sorry. No. I'm upset. No.

59:02

Have you heard of Billie Jean King in Alana Kloss?

59:04

Yes. They

59:07

sponsor Billie Jean. We

59:09

have top folks and executive producers

59:11

Greg, Chris, Jamie, and Jeff. And

59:14

it's over to Matt for shout-outs. We

59:18

start with Fiona McGregor

59:20

in Edinburgh. Right, Fiona.

59:22

Fiona Ferrell. Yeah. Straight

59:25

in there. Do

59:27

you remember when we were really big on Fiona Ferrell?

59:29

Matt was really big on Fiona Ferrell.

59:32

She won a few matches this year. I've been monitoring.

59:35

Maybe the comeback is on. Didn't

59:39

she win one of the first tournaments back, or

59:42

play in one of the first tournaments back after

59:45

COVID? It's absolutely

59:47

not her fault at all, but Fiona Ferrell

59:49

is very associated with COVID trauma for

59:51

me. Fiona.

59:55

Thank you very much. Like, Conor

59:57

McGregor, he does some

59:59

sort of. UFC fighting yes don't

1:00:01

bring him up we've

1:00:04

got any others Thank

1:00:07

you and McGregor, thank you We've

1:00:12

got Brian Lopez hello

1:00:14

Brian Brian Brian teacher Brian

1:00:18

Shelton Bob Brian Mike

1:00:20

Brian Feliciano Lopez Mark

1:00:22

Lopez Yeah, you may or may not

1:00:24

be making a comeback Brian Gartner

1:00:26

in Yes Hey,

1:00:29

well, Tom is elevating a shout-out Brian

1:00:33

Brian is originally from the Dominican

1:00:36

Republic, but is now getting his

1:00:38

master's degree in Madrid go Brian

1:00:41

Good work Wow

1:00:45

Feliciano Lopez is tournament

1:00:47

director of Madrid And

1:00:50

that's a sign and he's got some help.

1:00:53

I can't remember who's come in Oh Daniela.

1:00:55

Hantakova has come into help Yes,

1:00:57

what that's what I heard especially on

1:01:00

the schedule All

1:01:02

the gossip Loving it. What else

1:01:04

you got Pam? Let me think Fine

1:01:09

out my gift time. Yeah Are

1:01:13

there really slowly our

1:01:16

final shout-out is for

1:01:18

Mary Patkis Mary

1:01:21

Carillo Mary Sawyer Mary

1:01:24

Pierce Mary Mary

1:01:26

quite contrary How

1:01:29

does your garden grow? Come

1:01:32

doesn't we don't need anybody else. We just need

1:01:34

power Mary is

1:01:36

from Freehold, New Jersey Home

1:01:41

of Bruce Springsteen and Amanda

1:01:44

and Who'd never

1:01:46

heard of Bruce Springsteen? Chris

1:01:49

Christie who just bowed out of a presidential race

1:01:51

From Freehold, New Jersey Yes,

1:01:54

Mary says I won the ballot and got

1:01:57

to attend Wimbledon and as a bow saw

1:02:00

Bruce in Hyde Park. She

1:02:02

did better than us then. Wish we had to pull out of

1:02:04

that didn't she? We had to

1:02:07

withdraw injured and devastated.

1:02:09

I still haven't been

1:02:11

forgiven. Mary what a

1:02:14

shout out. Yeah that's

1:02:17

it. We're

1:02:19

very big in in

1:02:22

sort of New England aren't we? Is New Jersey

1:02:24

New England? No New England. New Jersey would

1:02:26

be more like the North Peak. I mean

1:02:29

like you know the the Eastern Seaboard.

1:02:31

That's better right. Yeah there. We're

1:02:34

big there. Right. Okay

1:02:36

Pam this has been an honour

1:02:39

and a treat as always not just because

1:02:41

of the contraband but also because of

1:02:43

your words of wisdom. I was afraid

1:02:45

to bring a bigger bottle. I think

1:02:47

it was a small one. I

1:02:50

think it was perfectly sized. Yeah

1:02:52

it's been a joy. Travel safely. Thank you. We

1:02:55

look forward as always to seeing you at the

1:02:57

next one. Indian miles right? We'll see you in

1:02:59

a minute. Sorry. No

1:03:02

not this time. Another time. I

1:03:05

mean we'll be doing podcasts. We'll just. We'll

1:03:07

be there in spirit. We will be Pam. Can't

1:03:09

join the queue. That's too bad. The

1:03:12

queue to meet us.

1:03:15

Pam did actually join the queue last year.

1:03:17

What a moment. What a moment. David

1:03:20

Matt I'm not going to say goodbye to you because we'll

1:03:22

be probably in this very same spot tomorrow at about 4am.

1:03:27

It's a date. We'll see you then.

1:03:30

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