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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Tim Dillon

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Show. Very special episode. We're

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joined again by Noah Tishby, who is

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here. No, I'm kidding. It's Freaky Friday,

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and we have journalist Abby Morton here

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with us, as we promised we would

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get. Her documentary, Gaza

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Fights for Freedom, which I watched again

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the other night, and a lot of

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people are now rediscovering the

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documentary because they're uneducated about what's

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going on, as I am. And

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you have been boots on the ground covering

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this issue for years when no one cared

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about it. And

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your concern, and what's interesting about you, you're a

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big critic of Israel, we know that. But

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I don't really hear a lot of people calling you anti-Semitic.

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I don't see that. I don't, I've

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never heard you like engage in any kind of weird

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conspiracy mongering about the Jewish

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question or whatever. You focus on

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facts, and you report facts

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that are uncomfortable to governments. This is what

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I've always seen, right? Whether it's the American

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government or the Israeli government,

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that's what you do. And you don't, you

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go to these places. You have, you

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spent time in Gaza. So

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what is, from someone who has

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sources there, who speaks to people

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there, who knows people there, what

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is happening right now? Because I think a

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lot of people obviously recognize

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Hamas' attack was brutal, and

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everybody is, you know,

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has sympathy for people whose children

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are being hostages, or whose family is

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being hostages. But

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there are also a lot of civilians in Gaza that are

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dying. And you've covered that closer

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than probably anyone I know. What

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is going on there now? I'm

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glad that you set up that pretext, because I am

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a journalist critical of US

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empire and its proxy forces. And

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Israel is its central proxy in the

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Middle East. And there's a

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multitude of reasons for that. Can we move your mic

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just a little closer? Because, yeah. Right here? Yeah, perfect.

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So there's a multitude of reasons,

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geopolitical reasons, why the U.S. supports

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and backs Israel so much. I,

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as a media critic and as a

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propaganda critic my whole life,

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I realized Israeli propaganda echoed

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by the U.S. was such an important case study.

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And so I really have done a deep dive

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over the last 10 years, speaking

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to hundreds of Palestinians, speaking to dozens

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of Israelis, including former soldiers, going

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there on the ground, spending a month in the occupied

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West Bank. I'm actually banned for

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life from entering Gaza. I

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was told that I was a propagandist and

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an Iranian agent from the Israeli government. I

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thought that I was a Venezuelan agent and

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a Russian agent. So I can't keep up. You wear a lot

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of hats. I wear a lot of hats. So

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I wasn't actually able to get in, but

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I worked with journalists inside through the blockade

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to create Gaza fights for freedom. What

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is going on right now is a

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textbook case of genocide. And

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I can explain why. This isn't

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just me pontificating from an armchair

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analysis. These are Holocaust scholars, three

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of which have actually put forward a

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case against Anthony Blinken and Joe Biden

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for complicity in genocide. They have actually

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set formal charges. These

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are Holocaust scholars that are

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Israeli historians asserting this.

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So not only that, but of course you have the

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crime of apartheid. These are the

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most serious crimes against humanity. So

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I could talk about context all day long.

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I could talk about context behind the October 7

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attack. All

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of that is kind of pushed to the side when

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you see what is Israel doing in response right now.

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And that is committing genocide against the Palestinians. I

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guess the response that they would say is that

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if they wanted to do a genocide, they

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would have done it already. They're

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basically saying, their argument is we're

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responding to this attack. We're trying to

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get rid of Hamas. And

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our mission is to eradicate

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the leadership of Hamas and Hamas fighters.

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embed themselves with civilians. This

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is what is out there as the party line and

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this is what is being said. I'm

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sure there's some, you know, there's elements of

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truth to everything, right? So they're basically saying

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Hamas is, you

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know, command centers are all under hospitals. I don't

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know if this is, obviously you're

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familiar with that. And is this something

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that is well known? Is this true in your

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estimation? So, okay, they

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say that they are targeting Hamas. Right. Right

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now during the four-day truth, we've

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seen kind of the death toll

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like be accounted for at this moment now that

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the hospitals that have been bombed relentlessly are able

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to find the account for the dead. 20,000

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civilians have been killed. I'm sorry 20,000 people

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have been killed. They claim a thousand were

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fighters. So right out of the gate,

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that's an extraordinary amount of civilians.

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70% women and children. Yeah. 8,000

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children. 8,000 children. You have UN

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officials, you have like people who have

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documented war zones all over the world

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saying this is unprecedented. This is an

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unprecedented amount of carnage. It's

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a bloodbath and it's a slaughterhouse and they have

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never seen anything like it. So

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for Israel to claim that they are targeting

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Hamas, it doesn't really make sense

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when you look at the complete destruction and

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leveling of civilian areas. They are

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targeting hospitals. They are targeting schools. They're

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targeting mosques where they know tons

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of civilians are sheltering there. Hamas

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is underground. So why would

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you level the entirety of

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the infrastructure on top of Gaza

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if you're trying to target fighters underground? And

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no, there is absolutely no evidence for human

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shields and I can debunk that all day

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and there's no evidence for command centers under

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hospitals. Interesting and

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is this something that because Bill Clinton has

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repeated like a lot of people have repeated

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that idea that the command

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centers are under the hospitals. Early

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on in this conflict, there was a hospital.

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I'm forgetting the name. Ali Arab,

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the one that they claimed was

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an errant missile. Right. Was

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they claim that it was an errant missile

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from Hamas? But

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a lot of people thought that it

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was potentially a strike a

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missile strike. Where are you on that? So

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there's so there's so many

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lies. I mean Israeli propaganda It's

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very well funded. There's a billion dollar

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apparatus behind this There's war rooms at Tel

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Aviv University that fund and employ people to

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like correct the record online It's

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very it's a very concerted

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effort to obfuscate the obvious reality So

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right out of the gate on October

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7th almost all of the lies All

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of the things that we were told turn out to

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be lies beheaded babies the mass rape all

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of those things It turned out to be a

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lot of that was false We actually don't know

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Exactly what happened on October 7th because everything Israel

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said has turned out to be lies then it turned to what was

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happening in Gaza human

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shields And

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then the most egregious attack at first

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was the Ali Arab Hospital 500

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civilians were massacred in this bombing

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It was completely shocking because it was

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the largest casualty mass casualty event ever

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Against Palestinians from Israel. So that was like really

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shocking There was a lot of international outrage that

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was mounting and then immediately all

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of a sudden the news became actually was

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an errant missile from Islamic Jihad Now

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I immediately just stepped back and thought

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wow, that's so crazy that an errant rocket

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Yeah, first time in the history of this conflict was

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able to kill 500 people if that's

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the manpower of these rockets We would have

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seen a lot more civilians that because rockets

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do misfire sure in the strip.

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Sure that is unprecedented

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level of carnage and so This

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is this is how you know, it's false Tim

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You don't need to know anything else about the

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blast radius or the zone or what it looked

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like afterward None of that matters or even the

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satellite footage of that actually turned out

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to be debunked. They reversed the angle of it

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This is how you know, it's a lie Israel

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released doctored audio recordings after

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claiming to be Islamic Jihad

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operatives talking to each other proving that

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they had the command center or that they

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had misfired the rocket excuse me I'm talking

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about another propaganda thing later

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on about the Al-Shifa hospital so they actually

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released an audio recording of two Islamic Jihad

8:12

operatives being like hey man that was my

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rocket oh man like we fucked

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up we shot it was crazy and then

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what turned out and how do we know their doctor because audio

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forensics experts from Channel 4 news

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yeah which is a mainstream news

8:26

notification they analyzed the recordings

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and found out that they're recording on two separate

8:31

channels like you would have like a podcast and then

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mix them together it wasn't a legitimate

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phone call and plus people in Gaza

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don't use just cell phones they know

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everything's recorded and monitored through surveillance so

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they use different kinds of methods

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to discuss things and so the fact that

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that was a doctored recording really

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just pokes a hole in the whole

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narrative why if it wasn't that was

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embarrassing first of all why the hell

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would you really should yeah and

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then I found out Tim this is insane

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all of my all of

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this comes back to 2010 the flotilla

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massacre when Israeli forces commandeered

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a ship in international waters and

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executed like eight or nine activists on board

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completely unarmed that were just delivering aid to

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Gaza that's when I woke up to how

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egregious the propaganda was because I saw our

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mainstream media running with the narrative that people

9:20

on the boat were the ones

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who were aggressors trying to stave

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off commandos that had just executed their

9:26

friends with tables and chairs and acting like

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they deserve to be executed back

9:30

then Israeli forces released an

9:32

audio recording doctored

9:35

claiming that the people on the ship were saying go back

9:37

to Auschwitz that turned out later to be false

9:39

they admitted as such this

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is a playbook that I'm realizing that they

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do yeah well it's interesting

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the Israeli lot like John Mearsheimer who's

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a historian wrote a book about

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the Israeli lobby and he described it as this kind

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of loose coalition of interest groups not

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all of them Jewish a lot of them are

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Christians right a lot of them are like fundamentalists

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Christians in America that are deeply

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supportive of all of Israel's actions, right?

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And you know obviously

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certain interest groups have a lot

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of power and have a lot

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of influence and that's certainly one of them. And

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you know what he had said recently, he was on

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Lex Friedman's podcast, he said the definition

10:18

of anti-Semitism is now expanded to

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include any criticism of Israel. So

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if you criticize Israel's actions it's

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anti-Semitic but he goes a lot of the

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policies being pushed by hardliners

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in Israel aren't good for Israelis

10:33

and they're not good for Americans. You know a lot

10:35

of I didn't think the Iraq war was great for Americans,

10:37

right? I mean all of these things that we now

10:39

know we look back on these you

10:41

know foreign wars and how much money we've

10:43

spent. We've sent floods

10:46

of refugees all over the world and

10:48

we see these are not policies that

10:50

have been good for Americans, right? They

10:52

enriched a small percentage of Americans, you

10:55

know. How do

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you separate, there is clearly anti-Semitism, there

10:59

are people that hate Jews, there are people that think

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they control the whole world, there are people that think

11:04

that they're in the cupboard, they're everywhere, they're under

11:06

the bed, whatever it is. How

11:08

do you separate that because

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there are some of those people out there and some

11:12

of them are going to these marches and some of

11:14

them are you know probably you know you know

11:18

they certainly there are crazy things

11:20

going on at colleges, people being

11:22

locked in libraries, people being harassed.

11:24

How do you separate that which

11:26

is a real issue from the

11:29

kind of legitimate criticism of

11:32

the actions of Israel?

11:35

And let's not forget the rise in

11:37

anti-palestinian hate as well. People just got

11:39

shot. Just got shot. A hundred percent.

11:41

Two of them might die because they

11:43

were wearing kazoo shoes. Insanely horrible and

11:45

there was a young child that was

11:47

shot too. Young child stabbed to death.

11:50

So there is there are people that

11:52

are given any excuse to hate, will

11:54

hate and do horrible things. Horrible. And

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anti-Semitism is, I think

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it is on the rise. worldwide for just

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in general and it has been well before

12:03

October 7th I think the Islamophobia has been

12:05

on the rise in general well

12:07

before October 7th. So these are huge

12:09

problems The problem is

12:11

that Israel Conflates

12:14

itself with a peaceful beautiful

12:16

religion, right? It claims

12:18

to represent the land of the Jewish people

12:20

and it slaps the Star of David on a

12:23

colonizing force It's a colonizing

12:26

Apartheid settler colonial state to

12:29

now explain that because Their

12:31

argument is a lot of lands including the

12:33

one we're on right now America are have

12:36

been founded through plunder

12:38

and and and Severy

12:40

to a degree right? This is a lot

12:42

of the world We look at the world

12:44

and the way these countries came into being

12:46

right, right? What makes? Israel

12:49

different because they're there the

12:51

contention out there is like Saying

12:53

that Jewish people shouldn't have a homeland when

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no one says that about America or You

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know other countries for example, they they

13:02

are they say that that in and

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of itself is a Antisemitism

13:07

and it's it's about the eradication of

13:09

the Jewish people, right? So

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first of all, you mentioned earlier

13:14

that you know anti-Semitism in general I

13:16

think that this is being debunked This was

13:18

basically the excuse to tamp down on

13:20

any criticism of Israel for a long long

13:22

time and a lot of the times it works because you're putting

13:25

people on the defense who are anti-racist

13:27

and anti-bigot and saying you're anti-semitic

13:29

for criticizing this state and

13:31

so a lot of people were just reflexively like

13:33

no, no, no Okay And that's why you have

13:35

this tendency of liberals to just kind of like

13:38

apologize and excuse what's been going on

13:40

for a long time until Jewish

13:42

people Became an

13:44

important facet of the pro-palestine solidarity

13:47

movement And I think that we've seen

13:49

an enormous wave of Jewish

13:51

solidarity activists staging direct

13:53

actions participating in this protests Right, it's

13:55

insane. I mean you can no longer

13:58

say that that

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it's anti-Semitic to criticize Israel when you

14:02

see such a huge component be Jewish

14:04

people themselves, religious and secular. Second

14:07

of all, when people say,

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do you think that Israel has the right

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to exist? It's not so much about, do

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Jews have the right to exist in a place? Like,

14:17

obviously they do. Here's the question, when

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you say, does Israel have the right

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to exist? What are we talking about here? Are you

14:24

talking about, does Israel have the right to exist as

14:26

an apartheid state? Does Israel

14:28

have the right to exist as a military occupation?

14:30

And does Israel have the right to exist as

14:32

a colonizing entity where you are subjugating

14:34

another people and brutalizing them in

14:37

a cruel fashion? No, they do

14:39

not. Right, so now this apartheid

14:41

state, explain

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that to people. I

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will, I will. And

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to your point also about we are sitting on

14:50

a land that was, we ethnically cleanse this

14:52

land of Native Americans, horrible genocide that took

14:54

place. We all acknowledge how horrible the genocide

14:56

was hundreds of years ago. It's

14:58

awful. If that were happening right

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now, I would not support it. Right.

15:03

That Israel for 75 years has

15:06

been based on, like

15:08

Noah Tishby, what was really insulting to

15:10

me about her being on the show is that she lied

15:12

to you. I think she didn't share the clip. Sorry. That

15:15

he lied to you and lied to your audience. Yeah.

15:18

Look, Israel, you can criticize the policies

15:20

of Israel, but the problem is the

15:22

policies that you're criticizing are foundational to

15:24

the state. It is

15:27

foundational to have a military occupation.

15:29

That is what Israel exists

15:31

upon, is an apartheid state

15:33

where they subjugate and have different laws

15:35

for the Palestinian residents.

15:37

What would be the other way, you

15:42

know, obviously we don't want, like

15:45

the situation in Gaza is terrible, right? I

15:47

mean, the people living under those conditions, this

15:49

is not good. What

15:53

would be the way to do it is

15:56

it a two state solution where each

15:58

state has an... autonomous thing

16:01

How does it work? So yeah, because it seems like

16:04

I don't feel like they're all gonna live together

16:06

happily That's just my

16:08

first certainly not at first. I'm I

16:11

know one's gonna hold hands together and

16:13

you know and sing I mean, this is something that's

16:15

gonna take decades Yeah, just like

16:17

this I mean just like FARC in Colombia like

16:20

these things happen and they happen with a lot

16:22

of international oversight, right and parameters

16:24

set up where people have to abide by

16:26

the rules of You know

16:29

coexistence The

16:31

bloody violent conquest that Israel is

16:33

based upon and the expansionist nature that

16:36

Israel is based upon is a huge

16:38

problem Right if Israel just was created

16:40

in 1948 with 1948 borders and

16:42

then chilled and chilled out It's a different

16:45

story. It would be a different settlements the

16:48

evicting people from home This is a

16:50

completely different thing Look at just

16:52

from October 7th in the West Bank

16:54

where hummus doesn't have any ruling authority

16:58

200 people have been killed just last

17:00

night four teenage boys were executed by

17:02

Israeli snipers and left to bleed out

17:04

because they started Blocking the ambulances from

17:06

getting to their bodies during the truce

17:09

if that happened if Hamas killed

17:11

four Israeli teenagers last year What

17:13

do you think the news would be right now? So when

17:15

I look at what is the solution? What does Israel have

17:17

the right to exist as the

17:19

majority of the Arabs in Palestine have

17:22

agreed? upon a two-state

17:24

solution with 1967 borders Israel

17:27

has rejected that for the last 20 years. There

17:29

is no room. What was the deal

17:32

with the 1990s Deal

17:35

that almost happened. Well Israel

17:37

has rejected Palestine papers came out

17:39

about a decade or so ago and they Negotiations

17:44

know if you look at the secret negotiations

17:46

between Israel and Palestine over the last you

17:48

know from from the 1990s until 2010 Every

17:52

single concession that Palestinian leaders

17:54

made Israel rejected and laughed out of

17:56

the room They even offered to

17:58

be permanently militarized.

18:01

They offered Jerusalem, they offered,

18:03

I mean they offered almost everything

18:05

imaginable because Israel doesn't want Palestinians

18:07

to have a state. Right. And

18:10

so today- The center of gravity in Israel shifted

18:12

to the right. 100%. And there

18:14

was a time, every

18:17

American president, again this is right out

18:19

of Shimer on Friedman, which I think

18:22

is well worth a listen, every

18:24

American president was saying we need a Palestinian

18:26

state, we need two states from when I

18:28

was a kid. But that idea

18:31

has seemed to have gone out the window, there

18:33

doesn't seem to be the political will for it.

18:36

In the last 10-20 years I haven't heard it

18:38

much and Israel seems to

18:40

not care about it as much.

18:42

It's just Americans who are placated in this

18:44

idea of a fantasy of

18:46

inevitable peace through this

18:49

two-state solution diplomatic process that is

18:51

false. It's a false hope. Right. And

18:53

it's really insulting because it's dangled in

18:55

front of American audiences were the ones

18:57

who are propagandized to. Israeli society knows

18:59

exactly what's going on. They're not committed to it.

19:01

They're not committed to it. It's been a dead

19:03

notion for the last 25 years

19:05

in Israel. Like no one talks about

19:08

this at all. It's

19:11

Americans who they

19:13

want to propagandize to us. That's why you have Israeli

19:15

authorities all the time going on American media

19:17

speaking English to us. That's why you have

19:19

US officials lying to our faces about what

19:21

is going on. While Israeli politicians are

19:23

openly inciting the fact that they have genocidal

19:26

aspirations for Gaza, that they want to take

19:28

over, raise Gaza to the ground, and

19:30

colonize it. Re-colonize. Hamas,

19:36

they are the governing body of

19:38

Gaza, I guess, de facto. Right?

19:41

Like they were elected.

19:43

They get a lot of money from Qatar.

19:45

They're funded by Qatar. They get hundreds of

19:48

millions of dollars. What

19:54

is the mission statement

19:56

of a Hamas? What do they

19:58

want out of? What's

20:00

what they're doing? What was what was the

20:02

hope of what they did on October 7th?

20:06

Is it a pogrom is it to

20:08

kill Jewish people is it to it

20:10

doesn't seem like Hamas is interested in?

20:13

Having Israel be there at all would

20:16

that be fair to say or are they?

20:19

Is there a version I mean

20:22

when we look at Hamas is this a? Do

20:25

they have the best interest of Palestinians at heart

20:27

I? I Think

20:29

you have to look at this is

20:31

where the context does come into play

20:34

because Hamas only you know Hamas

20:36

hasn't been around for that long and

20:38

when they were elected they were the ones who

20:40

pushed Israeli colonizers out of Gaza in 2005

20:43

so you have to look at the context of that election

20:46

which was the first and only election in the Gaza Strip

20:49

Yeah, and half the people that live there

20:51

today weren't around

20:54

Got elected a lot of young people yeah a lot of

20:57

children half children And so that

20:59

that's the context of why they were elected and they

21:01

do provide a lot of services You know

21:04

for for Gaza residents there.

21:06

I think it's really cartoonish

21:08

to debase Them

21:10

and say they're a terrorist group who hates

21:13

Jews and their objective is to wipe Jews

21:15

not only off the map in Israel But off

21:17

the world map like that's what I hear politicians

21:19

saying all the time Does Hamas not say

21:21

that though so their initial charter did have

21:24

anti-semitic language right? And I think you have

21:26

to look at when you're being colonized is

21:28

it really a deep-seated hatred of Jewish people

21:30

or is it that? You the only Jewish

21:33

people you know are the ones brutalizing

21:35

and killing you and your family So

21:37

when people flap a star David on their

21:40

uniform, and they're brutalizing and killing and occupying

21:42

you those are the only Jews You know is

21:44

there anti-semitism within Hamas probably

21:46

is there anti-semitism among Palestinians

21:48

in Gaza Probably and

21:51

that's really unfortunate because they don't know any

21:53

other Jewish people, but I think Hamas

21:55

has a very important objective But when Hamas gets all this money from

21:58

Qatar they get hundreds of millions of dollars The

22:00

leaders of Hamas live in these pretty

22:03

lavish, you know, condos of

22:05

the four seasons in Qatar.

22:08

Is any of that money being

22:10

used to help the lives of

22:12

civilians in Gaza? Well,

22:14

I want to finish the point before about what

22:16

do you think the objective was on October 7th?

22:18

I think that we've seen it with the hostage

22:21

exchange and the prisoner exchange that just happened the

22:23

first round of it is that they were trying

22:25

to gain leverage. And when

22:27

they shoot rockets, they don't wake up one day

22:29

and say, huh, how many Jews can we

22:32

kill today with indiscriminate rocket fire? It's

22:34

usually in response to something heinous that's

22:36

being done. Like the

22:39

Al-Aqsa raid where you had

22:41

a hundred Rodney King beatings

22:43

happening simultaneously of worshippers during

22:45

Ramadan. That shit's crazy, dude.

22:47

No, you have these examples

22:51

of Israeli aggression. You

22:55

also have Palestinian terrorist attacks.

22:58

It doesn't seem like obviously

23:01

Israel is a superior military, right?

23:04

So they had to know that

23:06

Israel was going to respond October

23:08

7th. They had to know they were going

23:10

to do. Well, Tim, as you know, what does Israel

23:13

do when they don't do anything? I

23:15

mean, you saw the documentary, right? Yeah. Tens

23:18

of thousands of people peacefully marched to the artificial border

23:20

fence and they were mowed down by sniper fire. I

23:23

mean, this is what happens when Palestinians do

23:25

anything peacefully or not. Yeah. I

23:28

guess the Israeli contention would be

23:30

that those Palestinians would not be

23:32

living in Israel peacefully. They would

23:34

just be – because Hamas has said

23:37

we're just going to do October 7th again and

23:39

again and again. So like that's

23:41

kind of that issue where I completely

23:44

understand the fence, the

23:46

Gaza things fucked up. I

23:48

think a lot of Israelis are probably going,

23:50

if these borders open

23:52

up and people come here, is it –

23:56

are we going to just see what we just

23:58

saw? Okay. So

24:01

you mentioned what does Hamas want? Their

24:03

new charter that was revised

24:05

over a decade ago talks

24:08

about the differentiation between political Zionism

24:10

and Judaism first and foremost, and it

24:12

also talks about the acceptance of the two-state

24:14

solution among 1967 borders. So

24:17

even Hamas is willing to accept Israel

24:19

as a Jewish state if Palestinians had

24:22

their own state. No one talks about this. I'm

24:25

not sure about the comment that you're saying about we

24:27

would do October 7th and again again. Yeah,

24:30

someone's saying. But the thing is, I think

24:32

that the goal is to have rights. It's

24:34

like they are saying we're not gonna stop

24:36

trying to gain leverage and trying to gain

24:38

something. Well, yeah, there's context for like Slavoj

24:40

Zizek made a great point. He goes, listen, it's

24:43

a horrific attack. I'm obviously not

24:45

gonna condone an attack, but we

24:47

can't remove the context of what

24:52

has motivated the attack. And it's

24:54

not solely the hatred of

24:56

Jews, right? It's that there's this situation

25:00

that the people

25:02

in that area have lived

25:04

under that is unsustainable and

25:07

creates people that are

25:09

hopeless and willing to embrace these

25:11

crazy methods, right? I

25:14

think if you were to say. Yeah, I mean,

25:16

this is, I don't know. We will repeat October

25:18

7th again and again, a Hamas official. I don't

25:20

know. Yeah, probably until they have international rights that

25:24

are recognized and not under

25:26

an internationally illegally recognized blockade

25:28

that has tightened every

25:31

year. And this would involve Israel kind

25:33

of giving up the settlements. They

25:35

have to. That's why all these settlements are

25:37

deemed illegal under international law because in 67, they

25:40

have further encroached and encroached and encroached. And

25:42

just since October 7th, over

25:45

16 villages have been like ethnically cleansed

25:47

at the barrel of a gun. You have Ben

25:49

Gavir, one of the ministers of the Israeli

25:51

government going out and handing out machine guns to

25:54

the settlers, just saying like, let's get this done.

25:57

While all eyes are on Gaza, let's go. Let's

25:59

go. ramp up the ethnic cleansing in

26:01

the West Bank. And that really shows you

26:04

that exposes what Israel is all about, right?

26:06

I mean, this is what it is. It's

26:09

not about eliminating Hamas. It's not

26:11

about eliminating Hamas. It's

26:13

so explicit and it's so laid

26:15

bare. Right. And that's what's so

26:17

offensive about it. It's like, look, they

26:21

have to have rights. You cannot treat people

26:23

this way. This is the definition of blowback,

26:26

right? This is what happens when you subjugate

26:28

people under the rule and

26:31

control of one body. And I want

26:33

to just provide like this thought experiment.

26:35

It's like the fact that they keep saying it's

26:37

a war. It's a war between Israel and Hamas.

26:40

What kind of war is waged against

26:42

a cage population? How

26:44

do you bomb people and say, oh, just

26:46

leave. They have nowhere to fucking go. How

26:48

do you do that? It

26:51

is wild. The idea of

26:53

like, I guess they're their contention would be

26:55

there are other countries that could take them.

26:58

They tell Egypt when to jump and how

27:00

high. Who, Israel? Yes. 100

27:03

percent. They bragged about it.

27:05

Look, there's articles everywhere about Israeli officials

27:08

bragging about how much Egypt

27:10

does what they say. Right.

27:12

But what's even crazier is like, how could you go

27:14

at war against an entity

27:16

that you occupy and control every

27:18

facet of their lives? That's not

27:20

a war. That's crazy. Right.

27:23

That's crazy. Absolutely. Just the

27:25

fact, just the notion that you can cut

27:27

off electricity, food, aid and fuel.

27:32

I mean, doesn't that prove right there that they're have

27:35

a complete control over what enters God?

27:37

I guess they would say rockets, command

27:39

weapons, command things like that. And then

27:41

they would say, how is it an

27:43

open air prison if Hamas

27:45

is able to maintain a steady

27:48

stream of rockets and materials, things like

27:50

that? Well, they build the tunnels because

27:53

they also want things

27:55

like fast food. I mean, there's things that their tunnels

27:58

are used for. That's not just rockets. The

28:02

siege is a criminal endeavor. They

28:05

even put Palestinians on a diet. They've

28:08

figured out the minimum caloric intake to

28:10

just be right above malnutrition. I

28:12

mean it's sick and it's inhumane and

28:15

it needs to stop. And until it stops, the violence

28:17

is not going to stop. Is

28:22

there – which makes – which

28:25

is understandable and it's a reality of

28:27

having this very

28:29

combustible situation

28:32

there – is

28:35

there any – as somebody who's

28:38

looked at this issue, are there

28:40

times when you

28:42

look at Palestinian actions or the actions

28:44

of Hamas and say this – like

28:48

do you – like if Arafat in the

28:50

90s had said let's just do it, like

28:53

we'll do the two-state solution, would that

28:55

have helped? I mean

28:58

again, the Palestinians did offer every concession.

29:00

It was the Israelis who said no.

29:02

I swear to God. Yeah, Palestine papers. Look

29:04

it up. Yeah, I mean that's just something

29:07

– I mean I don't – I'm not saying you're right. No,

29:09

no, no. Bill Clinton said that in his book. He was like

29:11

the Palestinians are the ones who rejected it. This is a lie.

29:13

This is a lie. They

29:15

tried to – Israel never

29:17

accepted not taking any

29:19

part of the West Bank. They always wanted a part

29:22

of the West Bank. What is the

29:24

West Bank – why is the West Bank so important? See,

29:26

to me it's so crazy to me that

29:28

any piece of land would be so important that you'd want

29:30

to live in this. You

29:32

know, this is not good for Israelis. It's certainly

29:34

not good for Palestinians. What is so important about

29:37

this land? Like,

29:39

for example, if people said to me,

29:42

you know, we want West Hollywood

29:44

or you could live in a

29:46

constant state of war for 50 years, I

29:49

would go, hey, yeah. You know what I

29:51

mean? Like, it's whatever. I'll

29:54

do something else. Why

29:56

is – what is it about this? Is

30:01

it something else? Is it deeper?

30:03

Is it cultural? Is it religious?

30:05

Why not just say, take

30:07

this West Bank? I don't know. It seems

30:09

crazy. It's biblical prophecy.

30:12

You know that. It's all about

30:14

the religious... Is it biblical on

30:16

both sides? Is it also Muslims

30:18

going, we don't want Jews

30:21

in the land of the

30:23

prophet? I mean that's also kind of been said

30:26

by certain people. I certainly have heard leaders

30:30

say things like that. Or

30:32

is it, do you think

30:34

there is certainly probably some

30:36

biblical stuff, I mean not biblical

30:38

but religious stuff

30:41

on that side too perhaps? I have not

30:43

heard that personally. I wouldn't be surprised if

30:45

there were people that say that. I will

30:47

tell you that out of the hundreds of

30:49

Palestinians I've talked to, not one. And I

30:52

should you know, not one person told me

30:55

they can't live here. All of them

30:57

said we just want to live in peace. There's plenty

30:59

of land. Why do they have to move on top

31:01

of my village and terrorize me? Just

31:05

entering Jerusalem for a couple hours, I

31:07

spoke to a couple dozen Israelis just randomly

31:09

on the street and you can pull up

31:11

this video. It's amazing. Almost

31:14

every single one was explicitly

31:16

genocidal and said, kill them all,

31:18

wipe them off the earth, kill all Arabs. I did

31:20

watch that. I did watch that. And looking right at

31:22

the camera and it's like, this is shocking.

31:25

Yeah. This is shocking. And of

31:27

course Israeli leaders too

31:30

say the same thing. You know it's not

31:32

about live in peace. It's about wipe them

31:34

off the face of the earth, expel them

31:37

all. I have a better cut

31:39

on my phone. How did this

31:41

get so

31:43

bad? I mean I know that obviously

31:45

this was a, you

31:48

know, this is since

31:51

1948. Has this always been

31:53

as contentious as it is now? Have

31:55

people always felt this way about each

31:58

other? You know, like or has have

32:00

things degenerated and was

32:04

there a time, was there a time, because

32:06

now it feels like it's hopeless

32:08

over there. It feels hopeless,

32:10

right? It feels like these

32:13

people on both sides don't

32:15

see each other as human beings and hate

32:17

each other and was

32:19

that always the case or has

32:22

this just increased? Well before

32:24

in historic Palestine, Jews,

32:27

Christians and Arabs did, Jews,

32:30

Christians and Muslims all lived in the same

32:32

territory. There were mosques, there were tr- I

32:35

mean there were synagogues, all of these things

32:37

were- I'm not going to say everyone was

32:39

holding hands and singing, I'm sure that there

32:41

were some problems, but really once the colonial

32:44

project started that's where you saw the resentment.

32:46

It's about land. It's

32:48

not- yes, the greater Israel

32:50

project that's why you see commanders of the

32:52

Israeli army saying Lebanon is ours, we're going

32:54

to take Beirut, we're going to turn Beirut

32:56

into Gaza, they've taken the Golan

32:59

Heights, they think part of Syria is theirs,

33:01

Lebanon is theirs. It's

33:03

all about the greater Israel to a lot

33:05

of these ultra-religious people. The expansionist nature of

33:07

it- It will not stop. Yeah, okay, and

33:10

this is an issue. But

33:12

the Palestinians have lived there for hundreds-

33:14

it's like you can talk about ancient prophecy

33:16

all day about thousands of years ago, but

33:19

the reality is who has lived there for

33:21

the last couple hundred years? Who has lived

33:23

there for generations in these homes? And

33:26

think about it, like if you're home, if

33:29

fucking China came in

33:31

with an invading army and started

33:33

kicking people out of their homes in West

33:35

Hollywood- Well they are doing that in Beverly Hills, but

33:37

they're paying great money. If China wants

33:39

to buy my- I want out of here

33:41

bad. If China wants to give me five

33:44

mil, I'm out. But

33:47

China's our only hope in LA. Our

33:49

only hope is China coming in and giving us

33:51

money. It's not Americans who can't afford this shit.

33:54

Um, no, and you

33:56

know, what- I fully

33:58

understand. You

34:01

know, listen, there's Palestinian comedians, right?

34:03

There's Moammar. There's

34:06

people that are, you know,

34:08

they don't hate Jewish people.

34:10

They're just, they're, you know,

34:13

incredibly disturbed

34:16

by the conditions in which

34:18

Palestinians live. And

34:21

they've spoken about it passionately and stuff like

34:23

that. This

34:25

quote from the river to the sea

34:27

that has gotten a lot of press.

34:29

I've never, I've never heard it up

34:32

until recently, but it has been a big

34:35

news story from the river to the

34:37

sea. People have said that it means

34:39

genocide of the Jewish population because I

34:41

don't even know what river to what

34:44

fucking state, but I would, is it

34:46

the Euphrates? Jordan River to the Mediterranean

34:48

or the... Is it the Euphrates involved?

34:50

No, no, no. No, no. No,

34:52

no. No, no. No.

34:55

No. No. No.

34:58

No. So that's the sea. It

35:00

means no Israel genocide of the Jewish people. Okay.

35:03

That couldn't be further from the truth. And just

35:05

to exemplify how warped and twisted this

35:08

concept has become, is that the Anti-Defamation

35:10

League, which is essentially a lobbying force to

35:13

protect Israel. Prior

35:15

to October 7th on their website, they

35:17

talked about this phrase and said that

35:19

it was just a phrase commonly chanted

35:21

at like pro-Palestine demonstration. Right. After

35:24

October 7th, they went retroactively changed

35:26

revised their own

35:28

articles saying it's a genocidal incitement.

35:31

It is absurd. It is absurd.

35:33

It's just saying free us. We

35:35

are under occupation. We are under

35:37

medieval siege. Free the people. Since

35:39

when it's saying free, give

35:41

people freedom and liberation, genocidal.

35:45

It's so crazy. It's like, I feel like I'm living

35:47

in like a alternate reality watching

35:50

one side actually commit genocide and

35:52

justifying it by saying, well, they

35:55

hypothetically would commit genocide against us. We

35:57

need to do this. Like it is so

35:59

bizarre. lot of people do it's a lot

36:01

of people and it's crazy it's

36:05

crazy it's crazy and it's

36:09

what would what would

36:11

an appropriate response be

36:13

when you have an attack like that

36:15

obviously Israel is not gonna do nothing

36:18

so what's an appropriate response obviously

36:20

I think the leveling of

36:22

the buildings and you know the displacement of

36:24

I guess 70% of Palestinians now right or

36:26

something crazy 70% internally yeah 70% of people

36:29

are displaced from their homes that's crazy

36:35

what is a what is

36:37

a response I mean I think

36:39

any response other than carpet bombing

36:41

the entire area would have been

36:43

a better response but again I

36:46

can't even answer that Tim because it really goes back

36:48

to like how did this happen because that's how I

36:50

look at like all US foreign policy 9-11 I mean

36:52

you could have anything and be

36:54

like well why did this happen because I I want to

36:57

know the root of why violence

36:59

occurs why violence begets violence and I

37:01

want to get to that route and

37:03

stop it at the root and the root is occupation

37:06

and siege you cannot do that people

37:08

you think it's that do

37:10

you think that there are

37:13

instances where there the

37:15

root causes are I'm

37:17

not gonna say they

37:19

don't matter per se but there

37:22

are you know times when

37:24

an act is so egregious or

37:26

you know for example

37:29

like when this happened when Hamas did this

37:32

the first thing Israel's there's no way Israel is

37:34

gonna sit down and go well well

37:36

you know what is the right right I mean we

37:38

we know that you know that they're not gonna do

37:40

that so I'm trying to figure out what

37:42

would have been a appropriate

37:46

response like there's no way that's gonna happen

37:48

and they're gonna kidnap children and all this

37:51

stuff and then Israel is gonna go okay

37:53

what do you guys want here's the borders

37:55

here you know so if

37:57

you're gonna try to get rid of

37:59

Hamas Obviously,

38:01

carpet bombing is not the right way to do it,

38:03

or it's an incredibly brutal

38:05

way to do it, and it's probably going

38:07

to create new generations of Hamas terrorists. I

38:12

know that it's tough, and I

38:14

just don't know what their

38:17

course of action – obviously,

38:20

what they're doing now is extreme and

38:23

counterproductive. What

38:28

would have been the move? Do

38:30

you think they have a right

38:32

to defend themselves when something like that happens?

38:35

Under international law, does Israel have the right

38:38

to defend itself if people are coming –

38:40

do they have the right to defend themselves

38:42

by going into Gaza and carpet bombing Gaza?

38:44

Absolutely not. Right. Do they have the

38:46

right to defend themselves once Hamas is in these kabutzes? Sure,

38:49

that's a different story, because Hamas is right there. But

38:51

when they take the hostages, right, so they have taken

38:53

a bunch of hostages. And so has Israel. Israel has

38:55

thousands of political prisoners. You look at the prisoners

38:58

that Israel – that they were

39:00

asked to release, and it reveals the barbarity

39:02

of the situation. Three hundred people,

39:04

the vast majority are children, the

39:07

vast majority have not been charged with

39:09

anything. They just are languishing in detention,

39:11

and like 30 of them have been charged

39:13

for – I'm sorry – have been held for

39:15

just throwing rocks. I mean, these people

39:18

are held for years under administrative detention. Israel is

39:20

the only country in the world that has military

39:22

courts for kids. That's

39:24

crazy. So what is

39:26

the answer that Israel should have done? I

39:30

can't answer that. What I can answer is that

39:32

I think

39:35

that when we're talking about

39:37

self-defense, no one talks about the right for

39:39

self-defense of the people that they're actually occupying,

39:41

and everyone's obsessed with Israel's right

39:43

to have self-defense against the people that they're

39:45

colonizing. If we ended – if the occupation

39:47

ended tomorrow, what does

39:49

that look like? Does it look like

39:51

Palestinians living in Israel with full

39:53

voting rights? What does that look like? What does an

39:56

end in occupation look like? how

40:00

that works and you know it

40:02

is really stark because apartheid is

40:04

an institutional system

40:06

of discrimination and segregation

40:08

against one racial group. When two

40:11

people go, Muslims live in Israel,

40:14

they sit on the Supreme Court, this is

40:16

stuff that Noah said, is that not true?

40:18

So it is true and that's kind of

40:20

all part of the ruse, just as the ruse

40:22

is for the Palestinian Authority have a semi

40:26

part of the control of area

40:28

A, you know, of the West Bank. Palestinian

40:30

authorities in control so then Israelis can be like, oh no, no, they're,

40:32

they control themselves, not

40:34

talking about area B and C

40:37

and how Abbas is just basically an

40:39

appendage of the Israeli state and everyone hates

40:41

him. Israelis

40:43

are, sorry, Muslims and

40:47

I'm sorry, Palestinians who have Israeli

40:50

citizenship, they're tokenized and

40:52

they have very minute roles in Israeli

40:54

society and right, so a couple sit on

40:56

in the Knesset and then they can be like, oh

40:58

look, Arabs have a voice too. They

41:01

are routinely discriminated against, there are

41:03

dozens of laws within Israel proper

41:05

that discriminate against Palestinians living there.

41:07

They can't unify with family that

41:09

they marry outside of Israel. If

41:11

they don't have slavish loyalty to

41:13

Israel, they can be kicked out

41:15

of Jerusalem. They can't

41:17

celebrate their Palestinian heritage. There

41:20

are so many rules and I'm

41:23

talking about Israeli citizens, Israeli citizens.

41:25

There are pogroms against Israeli Palestinians in

41:27

the Muslim quarters of East Jerusalem. They

41:29

have to board up their businesses

41:33

all the time because people come through and

41:35

try to firebomb them and throw

41:37

rocks at their windows and chant death to Arabs to

41:39

them. This is the reality there. It is a

41:42

ruse and it's false to say that they have

41:44

full rights and then when you look at the

41:46

apartheid nature of the West Bank, it's completely obvious

41:48

that it's an apartheid state. I think the solution

41:51

that's up to Palestinians whether they want two

41:53

state or one state but I think with

41:55

the atomization of the West Bank and how much settlement

41:57

is eating up the land. Well it feels like realistically

41:59

it's up to the Israelis. Because

42:02

I mean like the Palestinians don't really

42:04

have the right. So

42:07

it seems like the Israelis would

42:09

have to get on board with

42:11

a two state. I

42:13

don't think a one state, that

42:16

seems like it won't

42:18

happen. It seems like,

42:20

especially with the nature of the Israeli government today,

42:22

which is openly fascistic, it seems

42:24

very tough. Would a one state work

42:27

or would it just be chaos? I

42:29

think that it would work eventually. I

42:31

think that again, there has to be

42:33

international observers and bodies and there has to

42:35

be a real, like the whole world has to

42:38

help make this structurally sound and

42:40

make it work. And you have to remove

42:42

the settlements that are illegal. You have to.

42:44

Right. But Israel is also going to say

42:46

we're a somewhat progressive westernized country. You also

42:49

have a lot of people in Gaza that

42:51

do not overlap with

42:53

Israel value wise. Right.

42:56

So if you

42:58

know, how does that work in a one

43:00

state solution? One state solution. I think that

43:02

if you have people in Gaza that go,

43:05

we're not into women's rights, we're not into gay

43:07

rights, we're not into we're

43:10

into more of a theocratic type of

43:12

regime and people in Israel that are

43:14

like, we're not into

43:16

that as much. We're into whatever we're into.

43:18

How do they all get along and hang

43:20

out and play soccer? I mean, how the

43:23

hell do Americans get along? It's barely

43:25

hanging on by the seat of our pants. Yes,

43:27

but for sure. But we have we

43:29

have laws that recognize, you

43:32

know, we have a

43:34

system of laws where people can, you

43:37

know, whatever they want to do. But it's like

43:39

we're not we're not constantly

43:41

in like a

43:44

California, Texas, which fight all the time are not

43:46

in a constant state of terrorist warfare. Right. Right.

43:48

I mean, we should on each like people should

43:50

on the other one and they

43:53

both are kind of each other all the

43:55

time. Yeah, but it's not like it is

43:57

with it. Like it's just weird to see

43:59

a I don't know if

44:01

a one state's gonna work, right? It seems

44:04

I mean, maybe it would I don't know maybe

44:06

a lot of the beliefs that Palestinians have

44:08

are simply because They are

44:10

under this, you know, they have Hamas

44:12

leading them. You know, I don't know right? it's like a

44:15

lot of the you know, the the

44:17

a lot of the oppressive nature of Muslim

44:21

countries or Arab is a lot of it

44:23

was backed by the US, right? Iran

44:26

for example is a progressive country before the

44:28

coup. We all know that right? We're not

44:30

stupid But right

44:32

now you you know, a

44:34

lot of those countries are autocracies, right and the people don't

44:36

have rights and things like that so

44:39

when Israel goes hey, we're this thing

44:41

we're one thing and The

44:45

people over there don't believe in any of that How

44:48

does that all work? It just seems like it

44:51

wouldn't work per se, you

44:53

know I don't see how they're all

44:55

gonna live happily without a lot of violence and chaos.

44:57

I Don't either.

44:59

Yeah beginning. I think that look we just

45:01

have to look at what is the right

45:03

thing to do Yeah, I think that Israel

45:05

is a fascist state right now I mean

45:08

they are going around and arresting and throwing

45:10

Israelis in jail for just simply saying things

45:12

Well, they certainly are there certainly in a

45:15

It's an incredibly right-wing government. They're on

45:18

war footing and they are you know

45:20

Doing what we did probably right after 9-11, which

45:22

is like, you know, anyone that's dissenting we were

45:25

I don't know if we were arresting them, but

45:27

we were certainly they were suffering, you

45:29

know, you know Persecution

45:31

socially and old and you know financially and

45:33

all these other ways Israel's

45:35

a rogue state at this point. I mean

45:38

even the US wouldn't well We have we

45:40

tried to rain them in at all. No,

45:42

I wish hw Bush did. Oh, you mean

45:44

back in the day he did He

45:47

tried and when you like the left and

45:49

worse Yeah Yes They have because back

45:51

in the day it did seem like there

45:53

was a modicum of possibility for the two states

45:55

because right especially before I especially

45:58

like the whole 167

46:01

borders after that the incremental Taking

46:04

over of the West Bank and the atomization

46:06

of the West Bank has made it almost

46:08

Impossible for a second state to exist unless

46:10

those settlements are removed the settlement's gotta go.

46:12

Yeah, the settlements have to go Yeah,

46:14

there's a hundred thousand like there has to

46:16

be a they have to rebuild Gaza There

46:18

has to be I don't think

46:20

Israel can have a security role in Gaza. That seems

46:23

crazy I think Arab countries are gonna have to as

46:25

well as America And

46:27

probably also Israel have to kick in

46:29

for a huge rebuilding of Gaza. There

46:31

has to be I mean

46:34

there has to be some type of you

46:37

know understanding that Israel

46:39

and America should not have any security role I

46:41

mean that that's been suggested by that now his

46:44

government that they'll have a permanent security role in

46:46

Gaza with US help that seems I mean

46:48

it's crazy. It's crazy. And what I meant to say

46:51

Thousand settlers are in the West Bank right now

46:53

that are legally squatting. Yeah 700,000 they need to

46:55

be they need to go But

46:58

but the US won't

47:00

even do what Israel is doing because they

47:02

are so worried about tarnishing their credibility land

47:06

It's crazy what Israel is doing. I have to stress

47:08

that that again like targeting

47:11

all of the Why

47:13

are the poor factors of society the case

47:15

where they're targeting civilians and that is people

47:17

in Israel gonna go? That's not true. We're

47:19

not it's collateral damage But it does seem

47:22

that there's so many civilians dying that it's

47:24

harder to buy the collateral damage argument When

47:26

so many civilians are dying well look

47:29

at the right again like look at the

47:31

rhetoric of Israeli politicians They're not denying that

47:33

they are targeting civilians. They call Israeli

47:36

defense minister said we're gonna completely

47:38

tighten the siege because they are human

47:40

animals and we need to act accordingly

47:43

Yeah, and that's Latin Gaza Latin Gaza

47:46

You look at tons of Knesset members

47:48

dozens of Israeli officials have said explicitly

47:50

they are subhuman We need to annihilate

47:53

Gaza if that's not targeting civilians. What

47:55

the hell are we talking about? No?

47:57

Yeah, that's crazy And here's why they're doing it because

48:00

Because it's not just

48:02

uniquely evil, it's not

48:04

just indiscriminate bar, it's

48:06

not just like inexplicable barbarism,

48:09

it is strategic to

48:11

target all sectors of civil society so

48:13

you can terrorize the population. This is

48:15

what happened during the NACMA during 1948,

48:17

is that you terrorize enough of the

48:22

population so that the rest of them flee. And that

48:24

was when 700,000 Palestinians were expelled. I

48:28

saw you talk to Alana Hadid, Gigi Hadid's sister,

48:31

and I think their family. Yeah,

48:33

every Palestinian that you know around

48:35

has a story and has a

48:37

shared history of being ethnically cleansed

48:39

from that region. And

48:41

Mia Khalifa too, I just spoke to her and she's

48:43

Lebanese, she grew up during Israeli occupation. And

48:46

so they are targeting all

48:49

of the most important sectors of civic

48:51

society, so all the press offices. Do

48:53

you think Jews have a claim to that land? For

48:56

example, I have Jewish

48:58

friends that say we

49:00

were there first. I mean when I talk about

49:04

it, supposedly scientists

49:07

have found bone

49:10

fragments that are Jewish people, like

49:12

literally this is what is

49:14

put out. They go, we've been there for

49:16

thousands of years, we were there from the dawn of

49:18

time, we have a claim to that land. Do

49:21

they have a legitimate claim? I

49:24

mean that's the question, right? Because Palestinians were

49:26

there, so they clearly have a claim. And

49:29

a lot of people say that

49:31

Jewish people were there for 400

49:34

years, 500, they were there for

49:36

a very long time. Do the Jewish

49:38

people, in your estimation, and again, I mean to

49:40

say I've not looked into this as what would

49:42

be the understatement of the year, although I've read

49:44

a little bit about it, but I'm not an

49:46

expert on this at

49:49

all, you know, other than to say that like there's

49:53

been a lot of stuff put forward saying that Jewish

49:55

people have been there a long time and that they

49:57

have some claim to that land. that

50:00

land and that they were kicked out of all of

50:02

these countries and they were

50:04

ran all over the world because of anti-Semitism and

50:06

this that and the other thing and they

50:08

wanted to stay it after the Holocaust and

50:10

then they were like it was natural for

50:13

us to return to this place that we

50:15

had been since the biblical times. I mean

50:18

I don't believe in the Bible so

50:20

I would say religious fundamentalism doesn't play

50:22

into my analysis of like geopolitics

50:25

but I mean this

50:27

is the claim. I mean it's a

50:30

ludicrous claim to look at ancient prophecy

50:32

and say we have the right to

50:35

ethnically cleanse indigenous people. Does

50:38

Israel have the right to exist on top of

50:40

another people's land and exist by ethnically

50:42

cleansing an indigenous population by violent bloody

50:44

conquest day to day? No. But

50:47

you mentioned something that I just want to finish my

50:50

point because it's really important why are they

50:52

targeting all of these civilian infrastructures in Gaza

50:54

because they want to make life impossible

50:56

to return to. It's not just about

50:59

it's not just about like terrorizing the population

51:01

of flee it's to make it

51:03

impossible to come back because there's

51:05

nothing left. There are no schools,

51:08

no mosques, no hospitals.

51:10

The hospitals to actually have a war

51:13

on health facilities like that and targeting

51:15

and not just like bombing hospitals not

51:17

just bombing hospitals they have a grid of where

51:19

everyone lives they have complete surveillance over Gaza

51:22

they go and target with

51:25

high precision missiles that

51:27

are massive and will level like ten

51:29

fucking buildings that surround these buildings they will

51:31

target doctors and surgeons and

51:34

the head of the healthcare facilities and

51:36

they will kill their entire families. That

51:39

is crazy. They have killed 67

51:41

journalists. This is

51:43

the deadliest conflict for journalists for like

51:46

50 years. I mean it

51:48

is unbelievable that they are doing just targeting

51:50

journalists and killing their entire families targeting

51:52

them and that is a fact. Just

51:55

like Shireen Abu Akhli, an American citizen who

51:57

worked for Al Jazeera, she was

52:00

sniped by an Israeli sniper and then they

52:02

attacked her funeral procession in the West

52:04

Bank and there was no accountability from

52:06

the West at all. That's

52:09

what they do. They're a rogue state and they

52:11

need to be reined in and the only reason

52:13

they're doing it is because they can get away

52:15

with it, Tim, because of the U.S. backing them

52:17

uncritically and giving them a complete green light to

52:19

do whatever they want. When would that change, do

52:22

you think? Is that, is there,

52:24

because there are people that are now looking at

52:26

this going, this is

52:28

crazy. There are, I think the vast

52:30

majority of Americans want a ceasefire. I

52:32

think that Americans

52:34

support Israel, Americans support

52:36

the Israeli culture,

52:43

like the idea of the

52:45

Jewish culture and understand that

52:47

they face a challenge in

52:50

that region to a

52:52

degree because they are certainly

52:54

surrounded by people that do not like them

52:56

for various reasons. But

52:59

I think even Americans that are so empathetic to that

53:01

are going, this is over

53:03

the line and this is not good

53:05

for America to co-sign this and support

53:08

this without constraints. See, this

53:10

is a lot of people, Jewish

53:13

people, friends of mine, you know, are

53:15

saying like, this is

53:18

not a good situation. I

53:21

remember after 9-11, America went

53:25

on a project and

53:27

it was a project that was described by

53:29

General Wesley Clark in

53:31

that clip where he said, seven

53:34

countries in five years and, you

53:38

know, it's

53:41

destabilized the entire region. It's sent

53:44

floods of people all over Europe.

53:46

It's destabilized political situations in Europe.

53:48

You see a lot of, you

53:52

know, right-wing people getting elected all over

53:54

the world, because people

53:57

are rightly concerned about immigration and

53:59

the economy. and cultural differences

54:01

and things like that. But

54:04

a lot of that is because we

54:06

went into these places, right? We went

54:08

into Iraq, we went into Libya, we

54:10

have issues in Syria, we

54:13

funded Saudi Arabia to do what

54:15

amounts to be a genocide in Yemen. We're, you know, we

54:17

made a, so I wonder if Israel

54:25

is not doing something

54:27

similar right now where there's

54:30

going to be lots of unintended consequences from

54:32

this. Oh my God, that's

54:34

the understatement of the century. I mean,

54:36

already the fight between Hezbollah and Israel

54:38

could erupt into a full blown regional

54:41

war. It is terrifying what is happening

54:43

on the Lebanese border. And

54:45

again, like Yemen, you know, the Houthis

54:47

have commandeered a ship. They've

54:51

sent warning shots saying, you have

54:53

to stop the genocide, otherwise we're going to retaliate

54:55

Iran. I

54:57

mean, this is really scary. People

54:59

who are rightfully terrified about US

55:01

support of Ukraine spiraling

55:04

out into a World War III, this

55:06

is equally, if not more

55:08

scary because of how rapid it's

55:10

happening and how much the US

55:12

seems to have no qualms whatsoever.

55:15

Well, yeah, I mean, H.W. Bush really tried to, he

55:22

said this is not good for American

55:24

foreign policy to not

55:26

recognize that there needs to

55:28

be a two state solution. Look

55:30

at Osama bin Laden, not to like, not

55:33

to justify anything at all, but you

55:35

have, just like a lot of people have

55:37

pointed out, what are these people talking about? When

55:40

you just paint people as cartoon evil like

55:42

Putin, like Osama bin Laden, it's

55:44

usually pretty clear what

55:46

the rationale is. I

55:48

don't condone killing any civilians. I have horror

55:50

killing civilians. No, listen, on this show, we've

55:55

constantly been a

55:58

realist about everything. said

56:00

that, you know, listen,

56:02

I obviously live in America, so I

56:04

have a desire to

56:07

see America not

56:09

destroyed, which, you know, if I lived in

56:11

China or somewhere else, they don't have that

56:13

same desire, right? You know, they have a

56:16

desire to see China not destroyed. That

56:19

being said, I understand why

56:22

encroaching on Russia with, you

56:25

know, potentially admitting Ukraine and to NATO

56:27

and putting, you know, potentially missiles there

56:30

and sponsoring a coup there in 2014.

56:32

You know, I understand Putin,

56:35

where Russia has been invaded several times,

56:37

worrying about the territorial integrity

56:40

of his country, would

56:42

feel threatened, and rightfully

56:45

so. I also understand

56:47

that if you

56:49

were a Palestinian and you

56:51

were living under this occupation, why

56:54

would you not embrace the

56:57

people that are trying to get you out of

56:59

it, which is Hamas, right? Or I

57:01

understand the pathology that happens when

57:04

you feel hopeless, you know? You

57:08

know, they hate us for our freedoms,

57:10

conard, which is not

57:12

something that I've ever bought into. That

57:15

doesn't absolve. That doesn't mean I want to live in

57:17

every country. It doesn't mean I think all cultures are

57:19

equal, either, you know? I don't believe

57:21

all cultures are equal. I don't believe that

57:24

my interests are,

57:27

you know, served by every culture or

57:29

every part of the world. And

57:31

I don't think forcing all these people to live together

57:34

is going to work. I mean, that's just my thing,

57:36

and it's a lot of people across the world are,

57:39

you know, responding to

57:41

this idea that everybody's going

57:43

to live together peacefully may

57:45

not be the case. I don't

57:47

know. Subjugating people is

57:50

a bad thing. Subjugating

57:53

people is a bad thing

57:55

because not only it's a moral problem,

57:57

but it's a political issue because it's a political issue.

58:00

because of blowback, what you

58:02

just said. It does come back to

58:04

you, you know? Yeah, we don't have to

58:06

be, we don't have to hide

58:08

behind the idea. Everyone doesn't have to love each other and

58:11

love each other. I don't

58:13

have an interest in telling

58:15

Yemen how to live. I don't

58:17

have an interest as an American telling the

58:19

Yemenis how to behave. That's

58:21

not in my interest, right? I

58:24

was not in my interest telling Iraq

58:26

how to behave or that Afghanistan warlords

58:28

have to live

58:30

like people in Vermont. I have no interest in that.

58:32

I certainly don't have an interest in it at gunpoint.

58:35

It doesn't seem to be effective, right? So

58:39

that really becomes the issue, is that

58:41

you have a situation where people

58:43

are really hopeless and they're

58:46

embracing these pathologies because

58:48

of this situation. We

58:50

need to figure out a way to not make

58:54

it worse and by giving Israel unending

58:57

streams of money. And then I think Biden

58:59

just said, we're going to take the

59:01

WEP. What did he say? More hellfire missiles.

59:04

I mean, I think

59:06

that what you just said was great

59:08

and I totally agree with it. And I think

59:10

that we don't have to be intellectual cowards. We

59:12

can be super honest and frank about

59:14

why things are happening and

59:16

analyze the context behind why things are

59:19

happening. Instead of pretending like Putin is

59:21

some aberration, some cartoon evil then

59:24

who just acts out of pure

59:26

cruelty. Pure malice. Pure malice. You

59:28

can't explain it. This is a guy that after

59:31

9-11 called us and said really sorry, has never

59:33

launched a war on Western interests once, has

59:35

never, Putin's never done anything.

59:39

Instead of being honest, they ban Russian

59:41

media. They just try to sanitize our

59:43

reality. Get rid of Chris Hedges, the big threat.

59:45

And me, my show. Don't forget about me, man.

59:48

Of course. It's great for you to

59:50

purge history. When I

59:52

was, I criticize Russia on my show. I mean

59:54

it's just so crazy to just sanitize our reality

59:56

and say you're not, you

59:59

can't the truth. We just

1:00:01

have to tell you what to believe just because

1:00:03

you can't actually hear what Putin's saying, you can't

1:00:05

analyze the situation for yourself. So that's what I

1:00:07

look at anything that's being painted as this. And

1:00:10

I apply it to groups like Hamas. And

1:00:12

I want to learn what is

1:00:14

Hamas and why are they doing what they do.

1:00:16

I don't think that you can paint everyone in

1:00:18

Gaza suffering at the hands of Israel as people

1:00:20

who are aspired to join Hamas, but I will

1:00:22

say that the people in Hamas certainly have suffered

1:00:25

at the hands of Israel. I'm sure the vast

1:00:27

majority have lost their power military group. It's

1:00:29

a power military group. It's

1:00:32

sure it's a terrorist group. But again, what are

1:00:34

they going to do outside of terrorism? You know,

1:00:36

this is what happens, right? This is unfortunately, you

1:00:39

know, and it's not doesn't condone it. It doesn't

1:00:41

excuse it. It doesn't justify what it says is

1:00:44

contextually when people feel like

1:00:46

they have zero hope, and

1:00:49

they've seen their family and

1:00:51

friends murdered, they embrace these

1:00:53

pathologies. This isn't new, right? It

1:00:56

doesn't mean that all terrorism comes from that. And it doesn't

1:00:58

mean that all malice or evil in

1:01:01

the world comes from that either. There are people

1:01:03

that do bad things for the sake of doing

1:01:05

bad things. There are people that want control over

1:01:07

other people for the sake of it. There are

1:01:09

people that I'm sure would want to ethnically cleanse

1:01:11

Israel, immaterial of

1:01:13

what Israel does. I'm sure that those people do

1:01:16

exist. I know they exist. And I've, I've heard

1:01:18

them. But in this particular

1:01:20

situation, it does feel like

1:01:22

there has to be a way to give

1:01:26

Palestinians autonomy and rights

1:01:29

and prevent decades

1:01:32

more of this and cycles

1:01:34

of violence. And I don't

1:01:36

think Hamas is a terrorist group. Yeah. And

1:01:39

is that well, they engage in terrorism, right?

1:01:41

I mean, it's a terrorist. I mean, it's

1:01:43

such an arbitrary term. I want to be

1:01:45

clear about what we're talking about. Well, you

1:01:47

could say that Israel is engaging in it

1:01:49

too. Anybody who's engaging in the type of

1:01:51

stuff that we're doing. But I think when

1:01:53

you go to a music festival indiscriminately killing

1:01:55

people, that seems to be terrorism, right? If

1:01:57

you kidnap children, that seems to be a

1:01:59

serious issue. to be terrorism, right? I mean it

1:02:01

doesn't – now you might say they don't have the

1:02:05

military to engage – but

1:02:07

when you're hitting soft civilian targets, as

1:02:10

Israel's done, so I'm not absolving them,

1:02:12

to me that's kind of the definition of terrorism.

1:02:15

It's like soft civilian – now

1:02:17

that means like there's a

1:02:19

lot of armies that you could say – but I

1:02:21

wouldn't say Hamas is not a

1:02:23

terrorist group because their aims

1:02:27

seem to be to inflict

1:02:29

terror on the Israeli

1:02:32

population in the same way that Israel,

1:02:35

in the way that it's behaving now, seems to inflict

1:02:38

terror on – so I don't want to absolve one

1:02:40

group and say that the other group – because they

1:02:42

both seem to want to do the same thing. I

1:02:46

mean Israel's doing it with the military,

1:02:48

but that doesn't mean that it's not

1:02:50

terrorism, right? And I mean that might

1:02:52

mean that all war is terrorism, but

1:02:54

I wouldn't want to absolve Hamas. I

1:02:56

don't know what Hamas wants for

1:02:59

Gaza. That's part of the hard thing,

1:03:01

right? I don't know

1:03:03

what Hamas – I know

1:03:05

that they've taken a lot of money from Qatar.

1:03:09

I don't know what they've done with it, and I don't

1:03:11

know if they have the best interest of people in

1:03:14

Gaza at heart. I

1:03:17

know that they want the Israeli

1:03:19

occupation to end, but I don't know enough about

1:03:21

them to know what

1:03:23

exactly – are they good at

1:03:25

governing Gaza? Are they

1:03:27

a legitimate – because it seems like

1:03:30

they're not good at that. Well,

1:03:33

it's hard to govern a population

1:03:35

that's under blockade. Right, but would they? You don't allow

1:03:37

clean water. I have no idea. I mean that's the

1:03:39

thing. The second thing is you look at the world

1:03:42

and you look at places like Egypt and other places

1:03:44

in the Middle East, and it's a

1:03:46

lot of repression. And it's like, what would

1:03:48

this region look like without U.S.

1:03:50

interference? I don't know, but

1:03:52

there's a ton of oil wealth. And that

1:03:54

strikes at the heart of why it's such

1:03:56

an important colonial outpost for the U.S. from

1:04:00

RFK Jr. actually just explicitly laying bare the

1:04:02

utility of Israel for the US Empire. I've

1:04:04

never actually seen someone... I've seen a... But

1:04:07

I think that's an open seat. People know

1:04:09

that. People know it. People know it, yeah, for

1:04:11

sure. But so I think that like also debunks the whole

1:04:14

like, why do you care about Israel so much? It's

1:04:17

like, it's the US outpost in

1:04:19

the building. But is any of that repression also

1:04:22

religious? Is any of that religious where you go,

1:04:24

this is something that is just

1:04:27

inherently based in religion? But what

1:04:29

has allowed the religious repression

1:04:32

to flourish? It's

1:04:34

stemming and subjugating populations. For

1:04:36

sure. And a lot

1:04:38

of bad policy. To create the pockets where

1:04:40

religious fundamentalism has flourish. But then you have

1:04:42

countries like Saudi Arabia that are incredibly wealthy

1:04:44

and incredibly powerful. And who

1:04:46

is preventing any sort of sanctions

1:04:49

or international laws to fight them? But

1:04:51

Saudi Arabia, MBS is kind of opening that

1:04:53

society up now, right? Little by little. I

1:04:55

don't think so. Well, he seems to be.

1:04:57

That's the PR campaign. We need a lot

1:04:59

of advancements. I mean, you know, whether

1:05:02

it's enough advancement, allowing women to drive,

1:05:04

finally, and I disagree with that.

1:05:07

But they're doing that. And I'm not even huge on the

1:05:09

voting. I said, go to the heiress tour. I don't. I

1:05:12

don't. You know, my whole thing with women is keep

1:05:14

your pussy away from me and don't vote. But and

1:05:16

I but I love them in every other capacity. But

1:05:19

my whole thing is I try, you know what?

1:05:22

No, but I'm saying that there

1:05:24

is there does seem to be like

1:05:26

whether it's fundamentalist Christianity or

1:05:28

fundamentalist Islam or fundamentalist

1:05:31

Judaism. Fundamental

1:05:33

religion is a problem, too, that removed

1:05:36

from politics, removed from the concern

1:05:39

that there does seem to be in

1:05:42

all cultures a need

1:05:45

to enslave people

1:05:47

based on religion. That

1:05:50

is like if we got rid of

1:05:52

all U.S. empire things, would

1:05:54

none of that exist? Because it existed

1:05:56

before the U.S. empire, this idea that

1:05:59

religion would. just dictate and there

1:06:01

would be certain people that would like,

1:06:03

you know, rise to the top of

1:06:05

societies by prominent. We see it in

1:06:07

America, right? We see it right now

1:06:09

with Christians going like, you

1:06:11

know, follow me. I represent God and

1:06:14

I'm making the laws based on God.

1:06:16

So I mean, that's been around forever. It's

1:06:18

pre-US, pre- a lot of that. There

1:06:21

is some of that. I think that America's

1:06:23

made a lot of mistakes. We've done a lot of wrong

1:06:25

things, but like, I don't think it's

1:06:27

all, there is this idea that every evil

1:06:29

in the world comes from colonialism,

1:06:32

armed or white people,

1:06:34

which I don't know. I don't subscribe to

1:06:36

that. And I know that you have friends

1:06:38

that do and there's nothing wrong with that.

1:06:41

There's nothing wrong with that. But

1:06:43

to defend Whitey for a minute,

1:06:45

prior to Whitey and colonialism, there

1:06:47

was a lot of brown on

1:06:49

brown colonialism. There was a lot

1:06:51

of brown on brown slavery and

1:06:53

there was a lot of religious fundamentalism going

1:06:56

on all over the place. Look, we didn't

1:06:58

invent slavery and we certainly didn't invent colonialism.

1:07:00

My answer to that is I can only

1:07:02

do what I can do as an American citizen.

1:07:04

We're trying to pitch you to the

1:07:06

white supremacy. We're trying to get you on,

1:07:09

but you know what I'm saying. I

1:07:12

totally hear you. I can't do anything about religious

1:07:14

fundamentalism. When AOC talks about racist

1:07:16

vegetables, I'm saying it doesn't help.

1:07:19

Get everyone help. What

1:07:21

I can do is try to exert some sort

1:07:23

of pressure on my government. That's what we respect

1:07:25

a hell out of you for doing. So much

1:07:28

problems around the world. The reason that I respect

1:07:30

you is because so many people sit on Twitter.

1:07:32

You go to the West Bank. So

1:07:35

many people sit

1:07:37

there and throw their takes out.

1:07:43

You go and make a documentary. You talk

1:07:45

to people. I mean, whether people agree with

1:07:47

you or not, there

1:07:49

are very few people. I think

1:07:52

Glenn Greenwald is one of them. I think you are one

1:07:54

of them. I

1:07:56

think there's very few others that

1:07:58

are out there. truly

1:08:02

taking risks for

1:08:04

the stuff you write and the stuff

1:08:06

you make. Truly. I'm genuinely curious and

1:08:08

I really want to know what's

1:08:11

going on. For sure. Especially because

1:08:13

of how much the media lies. I want to go

1:08:15

and talk to the people who we're talking about. Yes.

1:08:18

A thousand percent. Are

1:08:21

you allowed in Israel by the way? That's

1:08:23

a really good question. I

1:08:25

don't really want to buy a flight. I don't want to

1:08:28

buy a flight and then just get there and be like,

1:08:30

get the fuck out of here. I mean if I do

1:08:32

want to go. What if we dress up like rabbis? What

1:08:36

if me and Abby Martin try to get into Israel dressed

1:08:38

up like rabbis? CAA

1:08:40

drops Tim Dillon after

1:08:43

Abby Martin rabbi stunt in Tel Aviv.

1:08:46

I can see it now. I can see it

1:08:48

now. Joe Rogan will call me and be like,

1:08:51

I'm wild. It was wild when you and Abby were done. Where

1:08:54

can people watch your documentary? Where can they

1:08:56

support your work? Where can they read your

1:08:58

stuff? We know RT, they got rid of

1:09:00

it. Got rid of it. Because tons

1:09:03

of people were like, you know, when I had

1:09:05

Noah on, they were like, yeah, I don't have

1:09:07

that. And I was like, I'm going

1:09:09

to have someone on that is going to present

1:09:11

another side to it. A thousand percent. You are

1:09:13

the best person. Of all the

1:09:15

people that I think are out there. And there's a lot

1:09:17

of smart people. But I haven't

1:09:20

seen anyone do work on this issue. Even

1:09:23

when no one was caring about it. Like

1:09:25

you were there, boots on the ground,

1:09:28

interviewing people. So if people

1:09:30

want to watch Gaza Fights for Freedom or they want to

1:09:32

read what you do, support

1:09:34

the Empire Files, where do they go? Go

1:09:37

to YouTube. Call it

1:09:39

still up. So the documentary is for free up

1:09:41

on YouTube right now on the Empire Files channel.

1:09:43

We also have a whole playlist reporting from Palestine.

1:09:46

Tons of videos from the occupied West Bank.

1:09:49

You can go to gazafightsforfreedom.com to watch

1:09:52

the documentary in tons of other languages

1:09:54

for free. And I do have to say that

1:09:56

the lead organizer of the Great March of Return, my good

1:09:58

friend, Ahmed Artema, who is a great friend of mine, I'm

1:10:00

in contact with his 10 year old

1:10:02

son was murdered and they targeted his

1:10:04

home and murdered His

1:10:06

five members of his family and he's in

1:10:09

the hospital with second-degree burns He is like the

1:10:11

Palestinian Gandhi that we keep being told needs to

1:10:14

do something peacefully So this is

1:10:16

what's happening all the people who

1:10:18

worked on the film are suffering To

1:10:20

the lead videographer of the film

1:10:22

both of his brothers were murdered his home

1:10:24

is completely reduced to rubble

1:10:26

it is Terrifying

1:10:28

and devastating and if you cherish the

1:10:31

sanctity of human life, which you and

1:10:33

I do. Yeah, please Call

1:10:36

for a ceasefire because our representatives need to

1:10:38

be pressured. They need to be called That's

1:10:41

the most urgent pressing demand Tim

1:10:44

and Republicans and Democrats Overwhelmingly support

1:10:46

this because how much more carnage

1:10:48

and dead children can we take to find

1:10:50

our man a sick email? Yeah, and I know

1:10:53

you're a mother and you know And even if

1:10:55

somebody doesn't have kids to see the the carnage

1:10:57

and the devastation. I also think we got to

1:10:59

get You

1:11:01

know some type of way out of this so

1:11:03

that this isn't a generational issue, you know, whether

1:11:05

that's a two-state solution I also think we

1:11:08

got to get hostages released. You gotta get all

1:11:10

that. Yeah from us. We've got a little release

1:11:12

hostages we got a Right

1:11:15

now the hostages that remain are the only Leverage

1:11:18

to not destroy the result Gaza and after

1:11:20

the hostages are released nett and Yahoo said

1:11:23

that he's returning to flatten the rest Of

1:11:25

what America we really have to we it's

1:11:27

up to us Yeah, it is. It really

1:11:30

is up to us is Trump crazy quit.

1:11:32

Let's throw out a crazy question just before

1:11:34

Abby Martin leave Let's throw

1:11:36

out a crazy crazy crazy wild question

1:11:39

Now I keep in mind. I know you have to go home after it is

1:11:42

Trump in office now better or worse It's

1:11:46

a certain here here's what I know you

1:11:48

would happen I think Might

1:11:50

not be worse. I think Trump would

1:11:52

be doing exactly what Biden is doing

1:11:54

but without the humanitarian cover

1:11:57

that you might actually I

1:12:01

don't know if Trump would be... I

1:12:04

think he might engage Israel more than

1:12:06

Biden. I think so. I

1:12:09

don't know. No, he didn't give him...

1:12:11

he did try to move the embassy to

1:12:13

Jerusalem. That was a big, horrible move. Yeah,

1:12:15

he did some wacky stuff. But

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red line for Biden I I've seen so

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many polls not just with Gen Z and

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Millennials which really helps secure the midterms I

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think because Roe v. Wade Those

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people are the ones on the

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front lines all across the country Demanding a

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ceasefire and on top of that Arab and

1:15:55

Muslim and Palestinian voters Tim. How

1:15:58

could you support a man? Who

1:16:00

is the fact no committed genocide because

1:16:02

this wouldn't be happening without the US

1:16:04

weaponry and support and financial backing This

1:16:07

is on Biden's hands. And if

1:16:09

I mean if I were a Palestinian or I

1:16:11

mean I'm fucking vote for Biden right but like

1:16:13

how do a lot of people on the left?

1:16:15

How could they that are not thrilled with Biden

1:16:17

for a myriad of reasons, but this big one?

1:16:19

Oh, this is this is I mean, there's no

1:16:22

turning back from this This is I think a

1:16:24

Trump. I gotta be honest with you might be

1:16:26

doing a better job of Handling

1:16:29

this now, I don't I don't know I cannot

1:16:31

base that on much But Trump is out there

1:16:33

saying to be fair Trump's out there saying let's

1:16:35

deport all Hamas sympathizers I don't know what the

1:16:37

fuck that means. I don't know if it just

1:16:40

means conflating pro-pilisine demonstrators with Hamas sympathizers I don't

1:16:42

know what who the hell I do know. There's

1:16:44

a lot. There's a lot of things being said.

1:16:46

Yeah, you know, but

1:16:49

I Do feel like?

1:16:52

Biden just seems cognitively He's

1:16:55

like weekend at Bernie's he's a walking course

1:16:57

this guy's with it We forget the political

1:17:00

reality, but Biden seems so out of it.

1:17:02

I don't know what he could be On

1:17:05

the phone. I mean he's talking about the headed babies

1:17:07

just yesterday. It's like what in the holy

1:17:10

hell are you talking about man? Yeah, like

1:17:12

oh my god. Yeah It's

1:17:16

I just want a diplomatic solution I want

1:17:19

I I just want it to end I want the

1:17:21

violence and carnage to end I want the occupation to

1:17:23

end no one's talking about expelling

1:17:25

Israelis from the land when we talk about

1:17:27

a one state solution or a two-state solution

1:17:30

Israeli Jews will have a very important place

1:17:33

in whatever the future is With

1:17:37

abandoned settlements. Yes We

1:17:41

gets rolled back No

1:17:44

more expansionism Stop

1:17:46

bombing Syria stop bombing Lebanon stop

1:17:49

doing all this stuff Just cut it out

1:17:51

because it's the holidays It's

1:17:56

annoying to me You

1:18:00

know what I mean? We've got other

1:18:02

problems like the Screen Actors Guild. But

1:18:04

no, I mean. Like the strike. Yeah,

1:18:06

you know, that's why I couldn't do

1:18:08

the voiceover for the Hamas leader. I

1:18:11

can't believe this whole thing. We got

1:18:13

all these ambulances here. I can't believe

1:18:15

it happened. How did it happen? Thank

1:18:18

you for flying out. Thank you for coming

1:18:20

out. I appreciate it. You

1:18:23

know, like I said, this is, it's

1:18:25

a comedy show that we usually do. I do a

1:18:27

single person show where I just yell for an hour.

1:18:31

But we do have people on occasionally that

1:18:33

we respect and we think they're worth listening

1:18:36

to. And

1:18:39

you have really done

1:18:41

a ton of research. And

1:18:44

you know, there are people that

1:18:46

don't agree with you, obviously. But

1:18:49

no one can say that you're

1:18:52

not immersed in this in

1:18:54

a deep way. This is like

1:18:56

the issue that I've always,

1:18:58

you know, looked at the stuff you've done and I'm like,

1:19:01

you're out there working on it.

1:19:04

So anyone that wants

1:19:06

to know more about it, whichever side you're

1:19:08

on, including people that don't agree with anything

1:19:10

you've said, you know, go watch the

1:19:13

thing and you know, go. Because I know a lot

1:19:15

of Israeli people that go, that

1:19:17

are Americans, that go, that are Jewish, that

1:19:19

are not Israeli, that go, yeah, the

1:19:21

guy went on like birthright and they go, it does seem crazy

1:19:23

what's going on over there. And they go, I don't really even

1:19:25

know that much about it. They go, I

1:19:27

don't know, it just seems nuts, you know? And

1:19:30

then there are people that are very, you know. Well,

1:19:32

I mean, that's, Gaza Fights for Freedom

1:19:34

really tells you, and it's actually changed the

1:19:36

minds of a lot of Israeli Jews too,

1:19:39

who didn't know because they are indoctrinated from birth. And

1:19:41

when you go on birthright, you don't even know about the

1:19:43

occupied West Bank, you don't go into it. And

1:19:45

so I've had people say this changed my mind

1:19:47

because it shows you what happens when Palestinians peacefully

1:19:50

resist and what the actual context and state of

1:19:52

Gaza is. Check it out,

1:19:54

gazafightsforfreedom.com. You can check out Empire Files. We're

1:19:56

on all platforms. We do a hell of

1:19:58

a lot of other work. to Tim we're working

1:20:00

on a documentary right now about the US military

1:20:02

being the world's largest polluter earth's

1:20:05

greatest enemy I don't believe it the world's

1:20:09

got you feeling glazed over

1:20:12

sprinkled some love all around

1:20:16

just climb your way up out of

1:20:18

that hole and you'll be the

1:20:20

taste of the town grab

1:20:23

the one thing that everyone's loving

1:20:26

and as it happens they come by

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