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Today on the TMC podcast.

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Welcome to the TMC podcast. Derek

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and Eric here. Yep. Good morning. Good morning

0:42

to do so. Got a full slate of stories. Don't

0:44

you kick us off with Donald Trump?

0:46

Donald Trump so much is going on with Donald

0:48

Trump. But let's get to the the insane headline here.

0:50

Did you know that you can declassified documents

0:53

with your mind? You just have to think about

0:55

it and it is done. It's becoming

0:57

like doc you know, a mentalist.

0:59

Yeah. It's he's full professor x at this

1:02

point. So he appeared on Hannity's show, and

1:04

he said that, you know, if you're the president,

1:06

you can declassify things by just saying

1:08

it, or just thinking it.

1:10

You had said on truth social number

1:12

of times, you did declare -- I did declare

1:14

yes. Okay. Is there a What

1:17

was your process to do? It doesn't have to

1:19

be a process as I understand it.

1:21

There's different people say different things. But as I

1:23

understand, there doesn't have to be If you're the president of

1:25

the United States, you can declassify just

1:28

by saying, it's declassified. Even

1:30

by thinking about it because you're

1:31

sending it to

1:33

Mar a Lago or to wherever you're

1:35

sending it. And there

1:37

doesn't have to be a process. There

1:39

can be a process, but there doesn't have to be

1:41

Yeah. There doesn't need to be a process, he

1:43

said. This is because the power his

1:46

essential argument is the power is so absolute.

1:48

in in a president's ability to declassify

1:51

documents that he doesn't even have to tell third parties,

1:53

hey, declassify this. He can just think it and

1:55

therefore the the document becomes declassified.

1:58

Although

1:59

nobody knows if

1:59

declassified except you at that point. So

2:02

how does the world operate in that way? That is full,

2:04

like, weird. I do think he believes I think he

2:06

has internalized this view of the

2:08

presidency as as a king essentially.

2:10

That's that's the thing. It's full beyond it's full dictator.

2:12

Like, I can just think a thing and whatever

2:15

I want it to be, it is. Yes. This I don't

2:17

have to go through, you know, Congress at all. I

2:19

don't have to tell any advisers. I don't have I

2:21

just if I think it it is the law. Yes. Do you know what

2:23

this reminds me of? So there was a very famous

2:25

Frost Knicks in the the the famous interview,

2:27

and the the most famous quote from that was

2:30

frost, the gotcha moment. He asked him

2:32

something about about Watergate, and he

2:34

said, when the president does it, that

2:36

means it's not illegal. And everyone was like, this

2:38

is in same. That is insane. That is not

2:40

true. That that is a yeah. That sentiment

2:43

means that you are above the law when

2:45

when you do an action that is otherwise illegal,

2:47

it is not illegal. we don't do that here

2:49

in America. Everyone sort of seized on that and said,

2:52

Nixon is a very corrupt individual. This

2:54

sounds a lot like that. More of a buffoonish

2:56

way of sort of crystallizing that idea. just

2:58

so where where are we?

3:00

It's you know, what what what what point

3:03

are we at with this now that he's like, You know,

3:05

and and and the whole thing is all because, you know, now

3:07

the the the department of justice is gonna

3:09

be able to go through all these documents, which he

3:11

did not want to happen. And, you know, he fought to get

3:13

this special master to review the documents.

3:15

The judge, who Trump appointed, agreed to

3:17

that, got the special master -- Mhmm. -- the master's

3:19

like, Okay. I need to see the document to know what was

3:21

declassified and what's not. And Trump's like, no.

3:23

So if it's up here. Yeah. So I can't give you those.

3:25

I can't turn those over. It's just sometimes what I think

3:28

and and And they would be like, well, is this one?

3:30

Well, would it be good for me that one was declassified?

3:32

That's declassified. He's so self serving

3:34

and he's so bumbling. That Now,

3:36

what I'll give you a hopeful spin of this.

3:39

The rule of law is triamphine in in a

3:41

lot in a lot of those facts. You know, the special

3:43

master, we have processes here. They

3:45

went. They appointed a special master there. He's

3:48

asking for absurd things, but he's running

3:50

up against these roadblocks. And now it's starting to sort

3:52

of crumble. He's cornered. And

3:54

even the the the there's three judges who

3:56

agreed to let the Department of Justice review

3:58

these documents. He appointed Trump himself

4:00

appointed two of those three judges. Yes. So

4:02

there's not a bias one way or the other. This

4:04

is just the rule -- They probably think is what I

4:06

understood his thought. -- that's right. That's right. So I

4:08

think of this as a triumph of the

4:10

strength of the institutions that we have worried or

4:12

crumbling. We we're worried that democracy

4:14

is is is sort of falling apart.

4:16

The the threads of it that are held together

4:19

are, you know, sort of being stretched

4:21

to their absolute limit. We talk about,

4:23

you know, sort of the redistricting

4:25

and and and things of that and how they're going

4:27

to certify elections and people being put in

4:29

place to sort of overwhelm -- It can just

4:31

throw out how people vote basically. -- undo

4:34

democratic elections. This

4:36

strikes a more hopeful tone. He looks

4:38

so absurd at this point. He's also under

4:40

assault in New York. He just had a two

4:42

hundred million dollar lawsuit filed

4:45

against him by the state attorney general.

4:47

Yeah. Basically, this

4:49

is fascinating too. We'll just sort of touch upon it. She

4:51

is saying he's in inflated all these numbers

4:53

to take advantage of insurance companies

4:55

and lenders over the years. Basically, if you

4:57

inflate the amount of assets you have or what

4:59

they're worth, you're able to borrow more

5:01

money. You have more assets to borrow

5:03

against. However, what he's telling the taxing

5:05

authorities is that those assets are worth way less.

5:07

And he signed off on That's right. There's no

5:09

signatures on the documents. He has conflicting

5:11

valuations. One to get low taxes

5:14

and one to maximize the amount he can borrow.

5:16

That's tough. And and also that

5:18

that would hurt him because so much of his image,

5:20

what got him into the White House is this idea that

5:22

he's this super savvy businessman and he's so

5:24

smart and so wealthy And if

5:26

it's if it's exposed, and of course a lot of people will

5:28

never believe it no matter what. That's right. If it's exposed

5:30

that this was all built on lies

5:32

and nothing, it damages

5:34

his reputation as this, like, genius businessman.

5:37

Like, or unless you think it's smart

5:39

to con people. Like, if you well,

5:41

he said he said not paying taxes was made

5:44

him smart. Yes. So when you're a smart con

5:46

man though, you get away with these things. And now if

5:48

the edifice all starts to crumble at once

5:50

before twenty twenty four, you gotta wonder whether

5:52

people will start to sort of wake up

5:54

to to who he is and sort of presented that

5:56

will will

5:58

never wake up. They're sort of, you know, in his

6:00

corner, but there is AAA

6:02

proportion of people I think, that

6:05

will be shook out of the stooper. I I think.

6:07

I'm hopeful, at least, I don't know. We'll see.

6:10

Whatever you think politics one or the other, you know, you could

6:12

have disagreed George Bush or Obama. They're

6:14

the traditional disagreeing with politicians.

6:16

This whole, I declassified things in my

6:18

mind and didn't tell anybody It's

6:20

really beyond the pillars. The reality is

6:22

this. It's I don't know. It is. It's beyond politics

6:24

at this point. This is so about this

6:27

particular you know, it's not his val not

6:29

his the the positions he's espousing,

6:31

which some of them are, you know, doc you

6:33

know This is not arguing hard at a border door

6:35

that I see. This is not that. This is about

6:37

how this guy sort of sees himself as

6:39

a dictator. And that's very, very problematic

6:41

in America. Yeah. Alright. Let's

6:43

move on. to a lighter

6:45

story. So Johnny

6:48

Depp is dating a lawyer now,

6:50

but it's not the lawyer you think. So remember

6:52

in his affirmation case in Virginia,

6:55

the breakout star was Camille Vasquez.

6:57

And there were all these rumors

6:59

based on the flirtatious sort of

7:01

banter they would have and touching her arm

7:04

and sort of breaking her arm. and so

7:06

forth that they were dating. However, she's

7:08

in a serious relationship always sort of denied

7:10

that allegation. And she she's my

7:12

sexist. Basically, to assume that that

7:14

a woman, you know, a a female lawyer

7:16

would have to be dating her client if he's, like,

7:18

a handsome actor, like, this is sexist to assume

7:20

that there's something that she knows. She's like, I'm a I'm a

7:22

powerful talented lawyer in my own right now. need

7:24

to take a look at his case. But maybe the

7:26

people who thought that weren't wrong because it turns up, he is

7:28

dating his lawyer. is, but not so he's Who

7:30

wasn't she's married still? He's dating

7:33

these these are reports that he's dating a married

7:35

lawyer named Joel Rich, who was who was represented

7:37

him in the UK trial. Now remember that

7:39

trial, he lost. Yeah. That was everyone

7:41

thought that def defamation trial would

7:43

follow in the in the footsteps of the UK

7:45

trial where he that was a about

7:47

a publication that sort of labeled

7:50

him an abuser, and they said, look, there's

7:52

enough there to label him an abuser. So he was no

7:54

defamation. He lost that. No hard feelings. No.

7:56

Her feelings apparently because

7:58

he's dating Joelle Rich who she worked

8:00

on that case. She was not part of the defamation

8:02

case in America and that part of legal team, but she

8:04

did show up. She did show up. Yeah.

8:06

She was there to support her man, which we didn't know at the time

8:08

because we were all looking at Camille. Everyone had tunnel

8:10

vision about wow. It must be Camille

8:12

because she was and vivacious and so talented,

8:14

we thought that must be where the romance lies because

8:16

she's winning this case for a moment. Joel is also

8:18

young and vivacious and an an attractive woman.

8:20

And Mary accomplished and married, you

8:22

know, She's in the process of getting divorced,

8:24

and she and her husband are apparently estranged.

8:27

They do share two kids. But

8:29

her bio says she works to defend clients'

8:31

reputation against falls into family holiday allegations

8:33

in print online and on social media.

8:35

Not only successfully apparently, and she

8:37

lost the UK case, but he

8:39

does I'm sure that

8:41

his life was in such shambles, that

8:43

the saviors who rode in to sort

8:45

of sort of help his

8:47

career become resurrected. Even if

8:49

they failed in that mission, there's a certain

8:51

sort of complex you develop where, wow,

8:53

these people really care about me. The world is

8:55

against me. but these people

8:57

believe me. And and she clearly does

8:59

because because if, you know, you

9:01

were, you know, a lawyer, you assume

9:03

you wanna client ever fell in love with me. No. No. What I'm

9:05

saying is you wanna if you're you weren't a

9:07

defense attorney. No. But you would imagine if you were,

9:09

you would at least want to believe yourself they

9:11

were in Yeah. It must be hard to defend

9:13

somebody you think did it. So clearly, she doesn't

9:15

think he was this horrible abuser because she

9:17

probably wouldn't be dating him. I think that's right.

9:19

I think I think you get into a mindset

9:21

of sort of convincing yourself, maybe

9:23

some some cognitive dissonance if you

9:25

initially believe that, oh, maybe there's some truth to this

9:27

and then my representative scumbag you tell

9:29

yourself that can't be true. Yeah. And it helps

9:31

you sort of defend them going forward to your secret. You

9:33

can do it enough to you can believe it enough to defend

9:36

them. But to date them, you probably

9:38

really think they were innocent. Yeah.

9:40

You would hope. Or you're just enamored with Johnny

9:42

Gap, and and it's very, very exciting, and he's

9:44

a big, big movie star for all of all of

9:46

his flaws. Maybe you should look at your

9:48

trial, like, he'll never be Johnny Depp. I

9:50

I don't know. I don't know. That's unfair to

9:52

her other than but the UK

9:54

trial was years ago. Years ago.

9:56

and they're still together. So clearly, this

9:58

is already a real

10:00

relationship. Yeah. Yeah. And and and who knows? I

10:02

mean, when his career takes off again, Johnny Depp

10:04

has dated some of the most famous

10:06

people. Maybe he is at a different

10:08

phase of who he wants to date. I mean, we saw this

10:10

with George Putin. He used to date sort of famous

10:12

people, Stacey Keeler, with

10:14

me. people like that, and then he ended

10:16

up with a lawyer. It's true.

10:18

Everyone settles around with lawyers,

10:20

Eric. That's why I played the long game in

10:22

life. I said, you're not a ball in love with me. I'm not the

10:24

captain of the football team, but at the end of the

10:26

race, how's that working out for you?

10:28

Great.

10:31

I'm

10:33

going on speaking of great relationships. Yeah.

10:35

So Kanye West has opened

10:37

up more. You know, he's such a shrinking violet. He's

10:39

not very open up. He's strategizing. he

10:41

is apologizing to to Kim. He

10:44

is apologizing for for basically how

10:46

he's behaved. I want everyone to sort of

10:48

it's always best to hear from Kanye himself.

10:50

So let's listen to this clip of his apology to

10:53

him. This

10:53

is the mother of my children

10:56

and I

10:58

apologize for any stress

11:00

that I have caused, but also,

11:02

ain't nobody else gonna be

11:04

causing no stress either. I

11:06

need this person to

11:08

be lea stressed

11:10

and a best sound mind

11:13

and as calm as possible to be

11:16

able to raise those children. Do

11:18

you feel

11:18

you have a voice as your co parent

11:20

hunting

11:20

now? I do have a voice, but I had to fight for

11:23

it. And it's just little nuances where

11:25

there was a parallel to what was

11:27

what was happening at Gap.

11:29

what was happening at Adidas and

11:31

what was happening in my home. It was

11:33

all the kind of a disregard for

11:36

the voice of something that I

11:38

co created. I wanna him credit

11:40

first before I sort of take this apart.

11:42

He does apologize in

11:44

what sounds like an unqualified

11:46

sincere way, although then

11:48

trails off. He says, I apologize for the stress. the

11:50

cause. He he admits to causing stress, and he's

11:53

apologizing to the extent that he has caused stress, but there's

11:55

the big but then there's And then you gave

11:57

production There's a big

11:59

bite at the end. He gets into his sort of petty

12:01

resentments, and that's when you sort of see

12:03

how strangely his mind works is what I wanted.

12:05

I don't want to sort of like, you know, really

12:07

sort of lean in on on mental

12:10

illness or anything like that, but you can see how his

12:12

brain works He's got these resentments inside,

12:14

and he thinks they're all of a peace, and

12:16

they come from his belief that

12:18

no one has regard for him. Regard.

12:20

He hear you hear that word disregard. Kim

12:22

doesn't listen to him about the children. The gap doesn't

12:24

give him the credit he's deserved. Adidas didn't.

12:26

Adidas doesn't give him the credit. He is

12:28

yearning for validation and he feels

12:30

like he's not getting it. Although to the outside

12:32

world, he does get it. He seems like

12:34

somebody he's created this entire empire

12:36

for himself, you know And when he works

12:38

specifically in business yeah.

12:40

He has. And and it is weird to

12:42

say like, you know, I'm sorry. I caused Kim all the stress,

12:44

but it's it's it just seems like Kanye's,

12:46

you know, ego, which is always his

12:48

thing. that I need her to be this

12:50

way. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, I stress you out, but I

12:52

need you to be calm. Like, it's still imposing you

12:54

have to be the way I need you to be. Any

12:56

deviation from his

12:59

sort of view of things and the way they

13:01

should be is an affront to him. And

13:03

that's very strange because so

13:05

much of of his ego has

13:07

been fed by society, by

13:09

Kim. I mean, he's been validated a lot,

13:11

a lot more than most people on

13:13

Earth. I would say. He gets to build

13:15

fancy shoes that are absurd looking

13:17

and then they sell. Yeah. And and he's he's

13:19

all feens the egos of and he's incredibly

13:22

successful incredibly respected.

13:25

And and it's not enough. It's not enough. It's

13:27

never enough. And that's a different word. With co parenting,

13:29

you know, if if he has his own record label and he

13:31

has his own, you know, it is good music. You are

13:33

the boss. Yes. With with Gap,

13:35

he wasn't in charge of Gap as a company, but

13:37

he owned Yeezy and had his say. So he's like, I'm

13:39

gonna take Yeezy and do my own thing. He can be the boss of

13:41

that. Yes. with children, you can't

13:43

be the unqualified boss because there is

13:45

the other parent. That's right. And when he says, I

13:47

want regard, he wants control.

13:49

And I think that's what he's what he's

13:51

what he's lacking is he has no there's no

13:53

spirit of collaboration or other people's

13:55

involvement. When he said he wants his kids to

13:57

go to Donda me. There's another part of the clip where

13:59

he says, I want my kids to go to Donna Academy.

14:01

The the school that he invented

14:04

in in a tribute to his his late

14:06

mother That's fine. But you can have a

14:08

role in the dialogue without the

14:10

outcome being that the kids go to Donna.

14:12

That I don't think Kim might have discussed that with him. We don't

14:14

know that. And she might have been like, I I

14:16

don't want that. Yes. And the two

14:18

people can come to a compromise. That's

14:20

what a marriage is about. It's impossible to

14:22

understand what being in a marriage

14:24

with Kanye must have felt like. For

14:26

years, if this is his mindset, you're in a marriage?

14:28

I'm in a marriage. Yeah. You there's a give and

14:30

take. There just is. I mean, if

14:32

Eric colleague ran his life with without

14:34

his lovely wife, Lauren, your life would look

14:36

different. It would be. And mine would look different

14:38

without Mary. For better and worse, you

14:40

sort of get there's a give and take, and everyone's

14:42

life is a little bit different, but I think he

14:44

struggles with that. You think he struggles like when he

14:46

wants a thing to be a certain way. And you don't, you know, in a

14:48

marriage, you don't always get your way. Yeah. And it's

14:50

okay. Yeah. Some of your comic books are under a

14:52

bed. I'm sure you've left them in a in a

14:54

beautiful display case. I've been to your house -- Yeah. -- but I think

14:56

you're under It's a beautiful like he's But

14:58

hey. But I I always think like for me, it's like, you know,

15:01

who wants something more? Like, is she more

15:03

passionate about a thing than I am? Or am I more do

15:05

I want something more than she does? And then we'll compromise

15:07

it. Right? What are you gonna go to the map for? You never

15:09

have, like, like, your priority? Yeah. Not everything

15:11

has to be a battle. Yes. And it seems like with

15:13

Kanye everything, is the

15:15

biggest deal in the world. Yeah. It's either his way or

15:17

it's a battle. Gosh. It's it's tough

15:19

because you listen to him and he sounds he

15:21

doesn't sound sort of ranting

15:23

and raving. He's pretty calm in this interview,

15:25

but the way his mind works

15:27

is consistent to me. And you

15:29

always hear that he is resentful of

15:31

people not giving him credit as a genius that he thinks he

15:33

deserves. And what's strange to the world

15:35

is we give him a lot of credit. He is an

15:37

artistic genius, you know. So

15:39

it's it's a it's a very strange thing to

15:41

sort of hear Kanye so

15:43

angry and frustrated all the time. Well,

15:45

but while that's always the duality of him. Well, also

15:47

being very calm and saying, I'm sorry I caused

15:49

Kim Streck. Yeah. You and I think he's

15:51

very sincere in that. Yes. I think I think when he

15:53

says anything, it's sincere. I agree.

15:55

It's just these weird what a

15:57

complicated guy. Yeah. His man his

16:00

personality is complicated. It's not good. It's

16:02

not bad. It's complicated. It's complicated. Alright.

16:04

Let's let's move it on. I'll tell you what's not

16:06

that complicated because this timeline

16:08

with Chloe Kardashian and her

16:10

new baby with Tristan has

16:12

cleared up a bit, and it doesn't look

16:14

good. Not good for Tristan. It does not look good for

16:16

Tristan. So Chloe and

16:18

Tristan had a baby via a surrogate, I

16:20

believe. Yes. And that

16:22

baby has been born. It's a, you know,

16:24

a beautiful child. It'll be raised.

16:27

Tristan found out about impregnating

16:30

another woman named Marley Nichols

16:32

in July. So follow this

16:34

timeline. In July. In July's out July twenty

16:36

twenty one. Yes. July twenty one.

16:38

Yes. He finds out that he's impregnated another

16:40

woman, but Chloe does not know. Chloe does

16:42

not know at this point. However, From

16:44

July to November, apparently

16:46

Tristan was encouraging, maybe

16:48

even pressuring it to some extent,

16:50

Chloe to have another child with him.

16:52

This is saying. After exactly what she says,

16:55

after he knew that he had already impregnated this

16:57

woman. Chloe, finally in

16:59

November, agrees to the implantation. They

17:01

they put a, you know, sort of a a fertilizer

17:03

egg into a surrogate. In December,

17:05

she finds out about Marley Nichols. Now you're right.

17:07

Yes. This is all Chloe's version of events, but

17:09

that timeline is rough And Chloe is saying,

17:11

look, if I had known, I wouldn't have expanded

17:13

my family of Tristan. I I certainly love

17:15

true and and and I'm committed to

17:17

co parenting, but I wouldn't have extended this family

17:19

-- Yeah. -- I knew that he was still out there, pregnant. Yeah. Well,

17:21

known there was already another baby

17:24

with another woman. And then he's trying

17:26

to have another with her,

17:28

But that okay. What

17:31

do you think of so so Chloe, it's it's hard

17:33

to have much sympathy

17:35

because he had already He didn't heard of him so

17:37

many times. he had not been having

17:39

this baby with this this other woman in

17:41

July, what what did she

17:43

think this was gonna be? Now he is a good co

17:45

parent to true. their daughter. Those They they

17:47

all see her later on that part penalized his life.

17:49

And they both are able to successfully raise their

17:51

child together. Sure. But knowing

17:53

his past and his relationship with

17:56

her Why do it again? Right. If you

17:58

don't accept the what has been

18:00

proven to be central to

18:02

his character, it's hard for

18:04

the outside world to sympathize

18:06

with your plight afterwards. Now as on a

18:08

human level, I think it sucks because she

18:10

she seems to be a person who

18:12

I I think in the metaphor of someone who just keeps stepping on rakes. You ever

18:14

seen that episode of Siobhan, Bob, just stepping

18:16

on every rake. It's it's you

18:18

know, once you know the rake is there and you step

18:21

on it, still sad that you're

18:23

hurt, but I don't have sympathy that

18:25

you keep doing the same thing. Yeah. And,

18:27

you know, even if he had not had this baby

18:29

with her, what if what if he'd gotten another

18:31

woman pregnant, in January. Yes.

18:33

Tristan's gonna twist it. That's

18:35

just how I feel. Tristan it. You you you

18:37

can no longer sort of fame surprise,

18:40

clutch your pearls, It's sad. It was certainly much

18:42

sadder the first time when it happened to her when we

18:44

didn't know who Tristan was, but we know who

18:46

Tristan is. Yeah. She could be more shocked the first time.

18:48

Yes. And she can accept it and she

18:50

can even decide. They can decide that they wanna add a third child, but

18:52

she needs to know they're going to be in there. Because

18:54

now she has said after the

18:56

birth of this child, she says that she will close that

18:58

chapter and be done with this trauma. Uh-huh.

19:00

He's very charming though. And she's opened that

19:02

book before. I mean, he's very charming. He's very good

19:04

looking. So And they will always be in each other's lives.

19:07

That's right. Because he's a very active

19:09

parent. to their children. That's right. Obviously, she is. And

19:11

she's And she wants him to be active. She's not trying

19:13

to shut him out. That's right. And he's kind of

19:15

trying to sort spell over her. He is he's got a certain charm.

19:17

You look at Tristan and you I've seen him on the show

19:19

a few times. I understand what is

19:22

alluring about him. But the You're

19:24

gonna have a surrogate and and a surrogate. because you

19:26

wanna start a family with it. But the logical part of

19:28

your brain, sometimes that's a takeover. Sometimes you know what

19:30

things are good for you, but you can't help yourself. You can't

19:33

help yourself. Alright. Let's move on to our final

19:35

story, which is the ongoing. Don't

19:37

worry Darling Saga with Olivia

19:40

Wild. Shilabaugh, Florence Pew, Harry Styles. I

19:42

mean, movies not even come out yet.

19:44

No. And it is the it is just

19:46

Geely. I've said it before, but it is really,

19:48

like, it doesn't matter what

19:50

the move movie is now. The only story about

19:52

this movie is the drama on the set and

19:54

the and the behind the scenes. So Olivia

19:57

is doubling down saying

19:59

that that she fired Shilah above from

20:01

the movie because he gave her an

20:03

ultimatum choose between him and

20:05

and Florence Pew. And she said, I went with Florence.

20:07

She said she went with Florence. This was before even

20:09

the allegations about Shaya that potentially

20:11

got him canceled. She said -- Yeah. -- subsequently learned

20:13

and felt better about the decision. after

20:15

this whole event, but that's interesting to me.

20:17

She says, yeah, that he was basically difficult to

20:19

work with. Yes. He denies that. And he's got

20:21

he's like, I've got my receipts that you begged me to stay on

20:23

the movie. Mhmm. she's staying

20:25

with her story that nope, I get rid of you. So who

20:27

do you bring her? Listen to her

20:30

explanation on on Colbert because it's

20:32

interesting. This is sort of like behind the

20:34

scenes how directors managed

20:36

sort of problematic actors. Yeah. So just

20:38

to be clear here, did you fire

20:40

Shire above?

20:40

We had to replace Shire.

20:42

he is a fantastic actor,

20:45

but it wasn't gonna work. And

20:47

you know, when given when he gave

20:49

me the ultimatum of, you know, him

20:51

or Florence. I I chose Florence and that

20:53

was him feeling he was stepping away and me

20:55

feeling like we

20:56

were moving on without him. So are you

20:58

saying just to be clear here -- Yes. -- as people

21:00

are parsing. Right? Yes. And I am a tremendous

21:03

people to parse this. Yes.

21:05

So are you saying and correct me

21:07

if I'm wrong -- Yes. -- that he

21:09

wouldn't do

21:11

the movie in the

21:14

way that you

21:16

wanted him to There was no And therefore,

21:18

he had to go so he

21:20

can say he quit and you fired him

21:22

and both of you can think you're

21:24

right. It's the question of semantics. Not

21:26

quite but honest to God. Yeah. Is that it?

21:28

Absolutely. This is fascinating to me

21:30

because it's the delt it's too too sort

21:32

of in line with the Kanye comment, the

21:34

delicacy of egos -- Yeah. -- in in Hollywood

21:37

is its own ecosystem. And it's

21:39

clear to me that Shilabuff wanted

21:41

to feel like I can't work on

21:43

a on an amateur production, like, I mean, I

21:45

quit. I quit. Yes. Yeah. And she wants to feel

21:47

like, no, I have controlled production and I made

21:49

a choice to go with Laurence Pew when you

21:51

proved to be too problematic and and

21:54

unable to coexist for whatever reason. And

21:56

even her answer with Colbert pressing

21:58

the issue, it's so delicate. It's such a

22:00

chess game. And at the end, you're left with I

22:02

don't know. It's sort of both. It I think

22:04

Even Galbert was right because it's it's it

22:07

is, you know, reality is hard to wrap your

22:09

mind around. reality is perception. His perception

22:11

is I quit. Her perception is I fired you.

22:13

And they're everything the

22:15

timeline lines up. Yeah. They both see it

22:17

very different ways. I think that's right. I think

22:19

something happened and they both

22:21

processed it differently. and

22:23

it's still unclear to me what exactly was it

22:25

it's it's hard to imagine quitting and

22:28

firing coexisting but

22:30

they kinda coexist here. I I you know, because Shilah

22:32

above felt felt like, well, I can't work on his production.

22:34

I need to walk away and she felt like, well, I need to

22:36

get rid of him. I can't work with I

22:38

can't work with you, and I need to walk away go forward. So maybe both.

22:40

And maybe it's fine. I I mean, this goes on

22:42

on a she says during the

22:45

interview. this is sort of how things

22:47

go at productions. People come and work on things for

22:49

a period of time and then they leave the production. It's usually

22:51

not with your star actor. But she

22:53

says that happens as well. But, you know, she's

22:55

right that cinematographers come on. They try

22:57

them. It doesn't have the right look. They leave for

22:59

various reasons. And I'm sure in those

23:02

instances, It's not as high profile, but kind of similar things

23:04

happen. It happens in in normal life. I mean, have you

23:06

ever had like an argument with somebody where you felt like

23:08

you were wronged? and they felt like they were Yes. And maybe

23:10

you're both right and maybe you're

23:12

both wrong. Yeah. Usually, Mary's wrong. But but

23:14

I wasn't talking about her specifically, but but when

23:16

I think about arguments, I think about them.

23:19

But your relationship aside, also side note,

23:21

Olivia and Harry's relationship apparently

23:23

still fine because, you know, they they were

23:25

not very demonstrative towards each other at the

23:27

premiere of the movie. in in

23:29

in Venice. But she showed up

23:31

his concert in Madison Square Garden. He was doing

23:33

his song music from a sushi restaurant, which is kind of

23:35

a jam, and she was dancing to it, very

23:38

into it. Looks like they're fine. It

23:40

does. I think she's handling this very well with respect

23:42

to the movie. She's the director. She's a

23:44

professional. She is in a a position of

23:46

authority with respect to that movie. And when

23:48

they go on the red carpet and they act in a

23:50

professional capacity, she doesn't act love y

23:52

dovey because that's an actor in her

23:54

film. However, at a concert, she's just his

23:56

girlfriend. So she goes to the front row and she

23:58

hears him on. Or they are broken up and she doesn't

24:00

want it to look like that right before her movie comes out.

24:02

That's true. she didn't want another

24:04

headline about about the thing is

24:06

someday years from now, there's gonna be a really good

24:08

movie about this movie. I completely There's

24:10

gonna be such a good behind the scenes movie

24:12

about this. It's gonna be just the best thing I'm Yeah. Yeah. I'm

24:14

worried, Darlene. The whole story.

24:17

That'll do it for us. We'll see you guys

24:19

tomorrow. Bye.