0:00

And for, for me, like the big mystery is

0:02

like all of a sudden there's a stall deck that

0:04

is apparently like a tier one deck and Liam's

0:07

like, I hate that deck. I'll never play it.

0:11

I mean, I mean 'cause I mean, I think I can tell you

0:13

exactly why Liam enjoys

0:15

the types of. I

0:17

mean, he's not a big stall player. He's more of a

0:19

control player, and so he likes

0:21

control decks, especially very intricate ones

0:23

with a lot of different game plans

0:26

where you really have to pick and choose based

0:28

on what your opponent's doing, the resources they

0:30

have, the matchup to kind of maneuver

0:32

and find a way to lock

0:35

'em out of resources or to

0:37

win the game. And that is very

0:40

much not what Snorlax Stall does. Snorlax

0:43

Stall

0:43

if you have more counter catchers than their switch effects

0:46

is like not interesting.

0:50

Is that, is that why Liam?

0:52

Yeah, I mean, it's just

0:56

a name background, like

0:58

All right.

0:58

it really, it, it's like just a Touro test, like

1:01

it's, see

1:03

if BYO and then.

1:07

I like that. That's good. It's like the Turing test,

1:09

but the Turo test. That's

1:11

great.

1:17

Alright, welcome to the Trash Launch. It's

1:19

the only podcast about the Pokegear trading

1:22

card game attendance is more

1:24

or less 130 ish percent.

1:26

Caden, Liam, Mike, me,

1:28

Brent. We're, we're all here, we're

1:30

all gonna talk about things. Last week, uh,

1:33

it was all guard of war all the time. So I think this

1:35

week is the times when we will cover all the things,

1:37

not Gardevoir, which, uh, should be, uh,

1:40

uh, exciting unless we also talk about Gardevoir.

1:42

But first, guys, hold.

1:45

Hold the presses. Hold

1:48

all of the presses. We

1:50

got a review.

1:52

Oh baby.

1:56

The Ultimate homie, I don't even know about it.

1:58

You can already tell. He is a homie. Beach

2:00

to Jacob. Writes great technique

2:02

sharing love, listening to Trashalanche. Above

2:05

all others. Why? Well, because

2:07

I love to talk about techniques. I'm a TCG

2:09

player, so as much as I like tournament news and all that.

2:11

I love learning from other players and their

2:14

techniques in the game. Best advice

2:16

I've heard, grab some dragon shields,

2:19

Hey,

2:21

beat Jacob. That's awesome.

2:23

it.

2:24

Awesome. So we will definitely be, uh, uh, talking

2:26

some techniques today because

2:29

I think we're gonna talk about all the decks that are not Gardevoir

2:31

and I don't know why

2:33

they're bad. Good. I don't, I I

2:36

have to be honest, the results from

2:38

this past weekend totally baffled me and I

2:40

don't know what to make of them.

2:41

They're very confusing.

2:43

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, we spent literally like

2:45

an hour and a half talking about Guard of War last week.

2:50

Well, and one, and one event. We were

2:52

dead on. Right? It was, it, it was

2:54

great. In one event and the other event, uh,

2:56

not so much polar opposites. I.

2:59

Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

3:02

Guys, let's, uh, uh, so do

3:04

you want to, do you want to, I recognize the other thing we skipped

3:06

last week was we didn't get to talk about your, uh,

3:08

uh, cups that you were probably gonna play cloth at.

3:11

Uh,

3:11

Oh, oh yeah, that's true.

3:12

and I wanted to catch up on those. Do we wanna talk about, uh,

3:15

like you guys and tournaments you guys have been playing at

3:17

first, or we wanna just dive right into pulling

3:19

on Australia.

3:21

We can do us first. We'll get it outta the way. Um,

3:25

'cause it's like not quite as, I, I mean, I guess like.

3:28

At least for me, all

3:30

did not have the input. That we got

3:32

here

3:33

Yeah,

3:34

you played those

3:34

right, right, exactly. So like, yes,

3:36

exactly. It's kinda like before everything else. So,

3:39

Yeah. I, I, uh, not

3:41

this past weekend, but the weekend before, the

3:43

weekend of LAIC, I played a cup on

3:45

Saturday with cloth, and then I ran

3:48

My cup, the sundae, uh, I

3:50

made top four with cloth. Um,

3:53

was fun. Uh, I didn't hit great

3:55

matchups. Overall, there was quite a

3:57

bit of Lugia and quite a bit of Gardevoir, uh,

4:00

in the field, which are not good matchups.

4:02

Uh, I did beat a Gardevoir in

4:05

Swiss. He made a couple mistakes though, and

4:08

I beat a Lugia because it was single strike

4:10

Lugia, and they started Terra aar

4:12

and I went second. I killed it

4:14

the first turn and then just kind of traded

4:17

down from there. Uh, and

4:19

then in top cut I played against another guard, Devore

4:21

in top eight. Again, they didn't

4:23

really know how to play the matchup

4:25

super well, so I beat that. And then top

4:27

four I played against the good Lugia player and

4:30

they kind of rolled me. Uh,

4:32

so I got top four though, which is

4:34

great. Uh, it was fun. I probably would

4:37

not play cloth. Uh, ever

4:39

again. Um, but I'm

4:41

glad that I got one event in.

4:44

Uh, also worth noting. The cup that I

4:46

ran on Sunday, I literally gave

4:48

my physical deck to a friend and

4:50

then he got second, uh, at the

4:52

event losing to Ryan Antonucci

4:55

with Gardevoir in the finals. So,

4:58

So, I mean, you say all that. Why?

4:59

cloth is broken.

5:00

Yeah. I mean, I, I'm hearing cloth is best second

5:02

format. I.

5:04

it. Well, uh, you heard Jeremy mention.

5:08

At some point during the podcast last week that

5:10

the Guard of War matchup is like a hundred zero,

5:12

uh, for guard of war. Um, and I think

5:15

if the guard of war player understands

5:17

basically at all what they're doing and has a,

5:20

not like they can even have a like, kind of bad start

5:22

and still win, they just have to not have a complete

5:25

dead draw. Um, It's

5:28

really, really, really, really, really bad

5:31

Um, like if they play

5:33

collapsed or Turo, like it, you can't win.

5:35

Um, if they play multiple Avery,

5:38

you basically can't win. Uh,

5:40

so yeah, not great. Um, other

5:43

decks in the format. I

5:46

mean, like, Snorlax beats it, uh, unless

5:48

they're also bad. Like you have ways

5:50

you can beat them if they're, if they don't really

5:52

know your strategies. But, uh, Snorlax

5:54

is bad. There's just not, there's like a

5:56

whole lot of not great matchups. Muse is not a great

5:59

matchup. Like Fusion Muse is pretty much, uh,

6:01

not unwinnable, but like pretty bad as well.

6:03

And I think Muse in a pretty good position. So

6:07

I don't know, I just don't think it's like great in the Metagame.

6:10

It's also like not inherently a very powerful

6:13

deck, like, uh. So

6:17

had good results, but I

6:19

wouldn't bring it to like a major event. We did

6:22

see it do okay though at, uh, Australia.

6:24

There was one

6:25

Yeah.

6:26

and one, uh, top

6:29

64 I think. Um, I

6:32

forget her name, but the, the girl that often

6:34

judges, uh, she

6:37

got top 64, the from Australia.

6:42

Nice.

6:43

And I'm gonna play, I'm probably gonna play like

6:45

a challenger cup this weekend. We'll see. And

6:48

that's me. All right, Kaden, what you got?

6:50

Uh, I have not played in

6:52

a single Pokegear tournament, um, since

6:55

I, I was on Thanksgiving break and

6:57

I thought about going to a challenge, but it would've

6:59

been, I would've gone to the challenge hours

7:02

before I leave for the airport. I, I would've

7:04

left for the airport. So instead I decided

7:06

to just spend some extra time with

7:08

the whole family. Um. I

7:12

have not gone to a tournament. Uh, had

7:14

I gone to a tournament, I likely

7:16

would've played Mariah on, um,

7:18

if for nothing else, just to get

7:21

some reps in with Mariah on, as I think it

7:23

is, you know, LAIC showed

7:25

that it is a, a very, very

7:27

strong, legitimate deck in this format and

7:30

I have not put in enough reps with myON.

7:32

So I wanted to try it out to get, to

7:34

get a better sense of the deck.

7:36

And then Liam went and tried it out to get a

7:38

better sense of the deck.

7:40

Yeah, I, I did go to a challenge

7:42

and I did play my ride on, um, I

7:44

lost one game, againsts Mew. I

7:46

got to a pretty good board. I needed a,

7:48

a lightning energy to write you KO off

7:51

of judge. Um, and

7:54

I missed it. Uh, I

7:56

did some small mistakes at the end, uh,

7:58

that John pointed out at me, um,

8:01

where I. I

8:03

attached a lightning energy, wrong off the flat fee to prepare

8:05

for an next turn, and I decided to bump the

8:08

path so that I could raku for an extra

8:10

card, uh, that that was maybe wrong.

8:12

Um, but it, I mean,

8:14

there, there were two vs left, see, just, uh,

8:16

like fusion strikes for six after cow

8:18

patting bosses. So I thought I was losing the next turn unless

8:20

I hit lightning. Um, so

8:24

I don't know. It's hard to weigh. Um, but

8:27

yeah, John, John says I shouldn't, so I, I probably

8:29

shouldn't have. Uh,

8:32

and then I lost to John. Um, that

8:35

was a rough game, bro. He, he

8:38

went, he like, counter catcher, counter catcher, boss.

8:40

And then I, like, I own it a three and then he hits

8:42

last like, bro. but

8:46

yeah, I, I mean he, he played it well. Uh,

8:48

the matchups

8:48

he playing? Sard

8:49

great. Hmm.

8:51

Sard.

8:52

I know he was playing Giratina bad deck

8:54

route. Ah. Um,

8:58

but yeah, so I, I had two losses. It's

9:00

a lead challenge. Um, I did really

9:02

bad

9:03

Yep.

9:04

Mm-Hmm,

9:06

And, uh, uh, yeah. So then the

9:08

next day there were, there

9:10

was a league challenge and you chose not to go

9:14

due to dissatisfaction with

9:16

Mariah on. Do you wanna talk about that at all?

9:18

I don't know, man. I woke up and I didn't even want to go,

9:20

bro. Like, I was like, uh.

9:24

You know, I could like try, I try

9:26

to run myself out the door so I can play like, uh,

9:29

four rounds of my ride on and

9:31

nah, it's a lead challenge bro. It's like 15

9:34

points. I ain't gonna sweat it.

9:36

you know, so I, let's hey,

9:38

uh, you know, as long as, as long as I'm your father

9:41

and we're recording a freaking podcast for hundreds

9:43

of thousands of people that are all listening, let's

9:45

dive into that a little bit. He was really

9:48

excited to go to the challenge on Saturday, like

9:51

I think he was like, Maria, right. On's the best deck. I'm gonna

9:53

bury people. We drove 45 minutes

9:55

to go to this league challenge and, and,

9:58

he, he top eight. And then

10:01

there's, there's another league challenge that

10:04

night, six o'clock at night. And he is like,

10:06

oh, can't, I can't, for my, for

10:08

the sake of my sanity, I have to play

10:11

this control deck instead of,

10:14

uh, Mariah. And he goes

10:16

like, oh two, like oh one, one drop

10:18

or something. He goes, oh, one drop.

10:20

story. Um, I had somebody

10:22

like, uh, like full blo that was doing, um,

10:25

like a Reggie Leki sisters thing. This

10:27

guy had eight cars left in deck. None of them were items I

10:29

couldn't accelerate the game, bro. And like, yeah,

10:32

man, like. You know, it's

10:34

a, it's, it's a league challenge. I'm against local players, like,

10:36

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna rush 'em. And there's like

10:38

30 minutes left and then like, you know, the tos

10:40

walk over and they're like, eh, you know,

10:42

we feel like ties are gonna mess up the bracket,

10:45

so we're just gonna make everybody lose. Who, uh, who,

10:48

um,

10:48

We're gonna go off prizes.

10:50

Uh,

10:51

Oh my God. Wait, that's a little wild.

10:53

Yeah. After that I just, I just decided to call it quits.

10:55

Like, I mean, it didn't really matter. Like, you know,

10:57

if I'm, if I'm hitting time more than once, or like

10:59

I, I get one tie and lead challenge, I'm probably, probably

11:02

screwed anyway. But I like, you

11:04

know, I was like, I just don't wanna do this anymore,

11:06

So, so what, what Ha. You know, I never really

11:08

got to ask you. Yeah. I never really

11:10

got to ask you what happened when they

11:12

said that to you. Did you say, Hey,

11:14

if you had said that 30 minutes ago, I would've submitted

11:16

a different list. Ya,

11:17

it's a lead challenge. I don't really care. I

11:20

don't really care. I was like, eh, well, whatever. Time

11:23

to go.

11:24

I I

11:26

would've been, I would've been pissed. I

11:29

would've been just

11:31

utterly, utterly pissed at

11:34

that,

11:34

That a Lee Challenge, bro, I'm fighting for like three prize

11:36

bags.

11:38

Yeah, I. mean it is a leak challenge, but that is

11:40

like not legal,

11:42

Yeah. Yeah. Like they're literally like breaking

11:45

the rules to ruin your tournament. Uh,

11:48

uh, so, so yeah. So then, then,

11:50

yeah, like, but I, the point is

11:52

he made me drive 45 minutes for this first league challenge 'cause

11:54

he's stoked to bury people with Mariah on. And

11:57

then like the next, the next day

11:59

at noon, the league challenge,

12:01

that's like 15 minutes away. He's

12:04

like, nah man, I'm gonna sleep

12:06

a little more. And

12:08

I was like, C, come on. Being

12:11

a parent is rough guys.

12:13

dude, I mean, like, I just drove 45

12:15

minutes for nothing. I didn't, I didn't wanna drive by like,

12:17

uh, 15 minutes for nothing and spend

12:19

my whole day doing nothing. Like, that's

12:22

terrible, bro. I didn't wanna do that.

12:23

Yeah, it's tough. Uh,

12:25

as, as a dad, I was so excited to see him

12:27

be excited about like, playing Verizon

12:30

and now I feel like, so, so Liam

12:32

are,

12:32

love Maria. I might be sending it to every

12:34

major this season.

12:36

That's

12:36

I ain't going to this league challenge though.

12:40

Uh, so yeah. Well, so, so do you, do you have

12:42

a deck now? Is, is Mariah still

12:44

the Strats or

12:45

Maria's kind of mid though. I won't even lie. Like I, I, I

12:47

just kind of lose to everything with that thing. But in

12:50

won La IC so I'm

12:52

still kind of okay with sending it bro. In one a.

12:54

I.

12:57

It won it twice. In fact, seniors

13:00

and masters.

13:01

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. In seniors. Yeah.

13:04

I, and, and. So,

13:07

so here's, here's question. Uh, uh,

13:09

Liam, and I guess this is true for you too, Caden,

13:12

'cause you, you said if you went to a tournament you would've played Meridan

13:14

and, and Mike as well. I guess, were

13:16

you guys un uncom compelled

13:19

by a, like the guard of war testimony

13:21

we got last week? B uh,

13:24

a pack of alpacas taken down.

13:27

Uh, a regional, like

13:30

why not guard, Devore?

13:32

Um,

13:32

That's too hard.

13:33

the deck's too hard. Yeah. Yeah.

13:35

it's too hard.

13:37

me, for me, it's just deck's too hard.

13:39

I don't have the, I do not have enough

13:41

time. I do not have the time to put

13:44

in. The amount of time that

13:46

is required to play that deck well to a major.

13:49

Um, I think that deck is incredibly

13:51

hard to pilot. Um, not

13:54

just in terms of like game by game,

13:56

although I think the deck is incredibly hard to pilot game

13:58

by game, but also in terms of like over

14:01

the course of a tournament or by

14:03

round managing time, um,

14:06

so that you don't just get screwed over. Like,

14:09

I think, um, I think that

14:11

deck is very, very difficult to bring. So

14:14

I, I decided a

14:16

while back that I'm not going to ever

14:18

bring dy to a major unless it is

14:20

like genuinely the only viable

14:23

deck in the only like viable, decent deck

14:25

in format.

14:27

So I, I felt like, I felt like, uh, there

14:29

was a notable absence, uh,

14:31

uh, there and, and maybe this tells us everything we need

14:33

to know about this podcast. People Liam McCadden

14:36

are both like Dex too hard and Mike's like, Hmm,

14:40

I mean, my, my

14:43

experience is different because I've brought guard

14:45

ovo now to multiple majors. I haven't, I

14:48

mean, I've lost,

14:48

Bro, it's too.

14:50

I've lost, I've lost, I've

14:52

lost like, basically winning ins in

14:54

round eight or nine to day two. Every,

14:57

all three times I brought it to a major. Um,

15:00

but like I still Feel

15:02

like relatively okay. Okay. Playing the

15:04

deck. Um, I only tied twice

15:07

with it out of 27 rounds. Um,

15:11

so like that, I feel

15:13

like I kind of have that part of it. Okay.

15:15

I'm not as good as some of the, like, the

15:17

best, best players with guard devore.

15:20

Like, I'm sure I'm, I'm not toured or

15:22

Brent toon, but like, I still feel

15:24

like I'm good enough with it. It's the, it's

15:26

the deck that I've played the most. Uh, so

15:30

I have already put the time in.

15:32

Right, right. All

15:35

right, guys, why don't we talk a little about, uh, uh,

15:38

Australia and Poland?

15:40

Um, a good segue would be just

15:43

before we talk about top eight stuff, uh,

15:45

the dude that won LAIC with Meridan

15:48

Jho, I think that's how you say his name. He got ninth

15:51

in, uh, in Poland. I don't know if you

15:53

guys know that, but Yeah, he got ninth.

15:55

Or

15:55

I don't know if it was the same 60, uh, but,

15:58

'cause I don't think the, all the lists are out yet.

16:01

yeah. His list is not posted on PTCG

16:03

Legends.

16:04

yeah. But like, it was, it was my write-on

16:06

for sure. So I have

16:08

to imagine it's the same 60 or only one

16:10

or two cards off. Uh, he, I think

16:12

lost his winning in to top eight, so

16:14

he like. Did super good again.

16:17

Um, so radon

16:20

was right there even though it didn't actually

16:23

top eight either event. Right? Um,

16:27

he was right there though,

16:30

That's good to know. That makes me, yeah.

16:34

Yeah, right. On's a really good deck right now. Um.

16:40

But I think, I think for me,

16:43

the largest, the most surprising thing coming out

16:45

of both these tournaments be besides, of

16:47

course, um, towards wacky

16:50

loss zone deck. Proving that, proving

16:52

once again that lost box loss.

16:54

The loss zone engine can be thrown with basically

16:56

any attackers and it will still

16:58

be quite good. Um, I

17:01

was the prevalence of Snorlax in

17:03

top be to both these events we had. In

17:06

Brisbane, two of the top eight being

17:09

SLAC Stall. And, um, in

17:12

the, the other re in the Poland, the

17:14

regional in Poland, which I'm not gonna try to pronounce where

17:16

it is, um, it actually

17:18

managed to win the whole event. So

17:21

for me, this was the most shocking thing. Um, as

17:23

well as of course, the fact that Polke Ice Rider

17:25

made top eight, um, that was also

17:28

that was also very shocking. But, um,

17:31

I, I wanna say I don't, I don't

17:33

think this deck's good. um, I

17:36

really, I, the Palkia Palkia

17:39

Oh yeah. I mean, we could talk about that real quick. 'cause

17:41

I've actually played, I played like five games with it. Because

17:44

I was like, I got, I gotta know. And

17:46

it feels like a pile, man. his,

17:49

his matchups were so funny. Um,

17:52

if you look at his matchups, he played like Eight

17:54

me ride-ons or something like that. And

17:57

which, you know, in if, if you think about

17:59

it like for like two seconds, you're like,

18:01

that doesn't make sense. Uh, how could

18:03

Paki be beating me Ride-on so, so much. But

18:05

then you think about it for like 10 seconds, you're

18:07

like, okay, uh, it's

18:09

just a two prize war, right? Um,

18:12

and uh, Palkia

18:14

can just do, it can just stream its attackers

18:16

a little bit more efficiently. So it's probably really favored

18:19

there. Uh, yeah. But

18:21

the deck does not feel great.

18:23

Yeah, I assume the ice Rider helps a lot too because they

18:26

can never go like too fluffy 'cause of the ninja, right?

18:28

So

18:28

Right,

18:29

dealing with the the ice is probably really

18:31

hard for them.

18:32

Yep. So yeah, the deck

18:34

feels like really weird. Uh. but

18:37

if you hit the right, it's probably like really good against the,

18:40

uh, the ante deck. The ante valiant

18:42

deck. Like you probably destroy that. Um,

18:45

like there's some matchups that you're just gonna be really good

18:47

against, but like something like Gardevoir, unless you get off

18:49

the cologne, play like turn two, uh,

18:52

which is not super consistent with

18:54

this type of list. Like, you're not

18:56

gonna, you're not gonna beat carnivore.

18:58

Yeah.

19:01

Okay. Sorry Caden, I interrupted you. Keep going.

19:04

Um, yeah, I mean, I think I

19:08

actually, to be quite honest, the other thing that did surprise

19:10

me was how well Czar did, like this was something

19:12

that we did not see quite as much in LAIC.

19:15

Um, and, and,

19:17

but CZ did very well this weekend. Um,

19:20

it was. Three

19:23

of top eight in Poland and two

19:26

and two of top four in Brisbane,

19:28

which like remarkably strong

19:31

showing, um, for czar,

19:33

especially compared to how it did in LAIC,

19:36

which was fine. It did fine in LAIC, but

19:38

you know, nowhere near as good as it did this past weekend.

19:41

And I, I'm curious whether you guys have any guesses

19:44

as to why, you know, if

19:46

czar is just actually a really strong deck,

19:48

if something changed. What, what do you guys

19:50

think?

19:51

Um, well, so like guard, devore, or,

19:54

so, at least in Poland, guard Devore

19:56

was not super popular. It was like third

19:58

or fourth most popular deck. Uh,

20:01

and it didn't seem like it was piloted

20:03

by that many top players and And

20:06

conversely, char art was piloted by a lot

20:08

of top players. Um, so like your worst

20:10

matchup card DeVores, arguably

20:12

maybe it's, maybe it's not a hundred percent your worst matchup,

20:14

but it's arguably your worst matchup. Um, so

20:19

like that was on the decline and all the decks

20:21

that kind of beat guard devore were. Or

20:24

targeting Gar Devore were kind of increasing,

20:26

so like ante and uh,

20:30

moron and Charr does pretty good

20:32

against those. I think the ante valion tech is a

20:34

little bit close, but I think if you just like establish one

20:36

charr, you're pretty favorite in that matchup. Um,

20:39

so I think that's like a big part

20:42

of it. You kind of beat

20:44

the stuff that beats carnivore.

20:45

Yeah, it wasn't mute like 20% of day

20:47

two as well

20:48

Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Mew was like, Mew,

20:50

like super overperformed. It was like, it was on

20:52

the chart day one, maybe like nine or 10%, but

20:54

then, yeah, like 20% day two. Yeah.

20:58

That's crazy. and like

21:00

Robin, like Robin played it. Uh,

21:02

Stefan played it. The other two guys are

21:04

not big names, but I'm sure they're solid players.

21:07

Uh. Yeah, just when

21:09

really good players play deck, it tends

21:12

to do well.

21:14

Yeah. Um,

21:17

do we wanna talk some more about Snorlax?

21:20

I think it's, I think it's worth spending some

21:22

time on, um, what are, do we wanna

21:24

just go in a little circle and say our

21:26

feelings about s as a. I

21:30

can, I can start. Um,

21:32

I I'll start 'cause I have nothing to

21:34

Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay.

21:36

I want to play that deck, but I recognize

21:38

that if you play that deck on the ladder, you'll

21:41

have a bad time. Like play.

21:43

When I was playing Lost box a ton on the ladder, I

21:45

was having fun because like, you just take surprises

21:47

and the games are over in five minutes. Uh,

21:50

SNLA Stahl, as Liam

21:52

tweeted, your games are either over in 20 seconds or

21:54

they're over in 45 minutes. and

21:57

like no joy for even the Snorlax

21:59

player. I think because

22:02

like everybody's teched on the ladder for

22:04

I'll, I'll, I'll jump in really quick there. I know

22:07

I said I think two weeks ago now on the

22:09

pod that sax was like the

22:11

deck. I play for fun on ladder. Um, and

22:14

I recommend people to play for fun on ladder.

22:16

It is no longer fun. I don't play a

22:18

crab in my build. I probably should. Um,

22:20

but yeah, I, I've hit Mew

22:23

like five times in a row, I think with my

22:25

last like five games with the deck. And as soon as

22:27

I see it Snorlax, I just can see 'cause I know they're all

22:29

playing crab. Like it's

22:32

a terrible experience. It's a terrible experience. It's

22:35

unreal.

22:38

crab bad in, like

22:41

is it useful in any other matchup? Probably not, right?

22:43

like fighting against ZI think that that played Pidgey. I

22:46

think you needed to win there. Um,

22:49

Yeah,

22:50

yeah, I don't really know.

22:54

Um, why

22:57

did the, uh, uh, okay, I'll

22:59

give my thoughts first, then we can talk, talk about the, the list,

23:01

I guess. Um, I don't really have

23:03

a strong opinion, uh, about Snorlax

23:05

either way. I think like obvious

23:08

people are like complaining about it. I don't

23:10

think it's really worth complaining about. Uh,

23:13

I feel like I am

23:16

going to play a deck that It

23:19

has an out to it. I'm

23:21

not gonna like do a hard, I'm never gonna

23:23

play like the stupid mini card

23:26

to like super hard counter it.

23:28

Like, that seems stupid, but like,

23:30

it's something that I'll just take into account I'm

23:34

choosing my deck. Uh, like I'm fine taking

23:36

the loss if, you know, if that's what I decide. Like

23:38

if I wanna play Charr to an event, I'm

23:40

not gonna tech for it. But like, if I'm playing something

23:42

like Gardevoir, um. Then

23:45

there's a pretty good chance that I would play Turo

23:47

paled, um, just 'cause those are pretty good cards overall.

23:50

Um, and they do a lot of work in that matchup.

23:52

Uh, like, I

23:54

don't know, maron, if I was, maron

23:56

should do good against Snorlax, right? Just

23:58

'cause you have a bunch of switch, you have a lot of energy, they,

24:01

it's hard for them to trap something. So like,

24:04

I would probably, if I had, if I

24:06

was between like two decks and I felt like equally

24:08

comfortable with both of them and one of them auto lost to

24:10

Snorlax and one of them I had a

24:12

decent chance of beating it, I'd probably,

24:15

you know, go that way. I dunno, I just feel

24:17

like, um, there's

24:19

a lot of like soft counters to decks

24:21

like this when, they

24:23

get popular that you just have to consider

24:26

more heavily. I, Caden,

24:29

what do you

24:29

You wanna go next? Yeah.

24:31

Yeah, I mean, I think that the

24:33

deck is, um,

24:36

I feel a little similarly. I don't think it,

24:38

it's never the type of deck that I would play. Um,

24:42

I, well

24:42

I would never play this Dick

24:44

actually, I don't know if I can really say that I

24:46

did play Shock Lock to a tournament. Um,

24:49

Shock Lock's very different though.

24:52

is it like, like

24:55

it kind of is, but I,

24:58

lemme put it this way. Um, the

25:01

reasons why I wouldn't place Snorlax also

25:04

apply to Shock Lock, um, in

25:07

terms of

25:07

are those reasons?

25:08

In terms of the linearity and

25:12

Yeah, that's largely, that's largely, it's,

25:15

it's a, you know, it's a pretty linear deck that

25:18

often just you kind of win

25:20

or lose a matchup. Um, going

25:22

in. I don't think there's,

25:25

you know, as, as, as

25:27

Liam says, you know, it's a, it's a Touro

25:29

test, in a,

25:31

in a lot of games, and so I

25:34

don't really have a desire to play that type of

25:36

deck.

25:38

I mean, shock lock was not that different, right?

25:40

I think it's fine to play deck that has polarizing

25:42

matchups, but. I,

25:45

I don't think that that's very good. And I don't think the, the,

25:47

like the matchup polarization is like that

25:50

well positioned in the Melmetal. Like losing to every

25:52

guardi that plays Turo is like not

25:55

really good. I don't, I like, I

25:57

don't think Guardi has for like, at

25:59

least like the last year ever been, like the

26:01

deck that you lose to when you're playing a deck that's

26:03

like a hundred zero or zero a hundred I guard

26:06

is too high on my list. I think to play

26:08

a deck that's just, you just fold to.

26:11

Yeah, the do, I mean the do that one in Poland,

26:14

like he just hit zd. Right? Top eight,

26:16

top

26:16

I mean that's,

26:17

Like, that's the dream.

26:18

yeah, easily best. I mean, that's

26:21

like the only way you make it past, I think

26:23

topic eight. Like they, they have to have like exactly

26:25

zero out. Um,

26:27

it. If that Palkia deck had won, uh,

26:30

what did it get? It got it.

26:33

Got top four. Oh yeah. So it lost to C

26:36

zd,

26:37

yeah.

26:38

it lost to the Aaron King, like,

26:40

and, and I think that was on stream and it was like pretty close.

26:43

Um, and like if he beats czar, like

26:45

he wins the event for sure. Right? Like that, that

26:47

Palkia deck had like four, it

26:49

had like two switch, two rope, four cross switches.

26:52

I don't know. It's not, I don't think it's great. Um,

26:57

yeah, like. Beating

27:01

Snorlax with like item counters is always

27:03

a little bit suss because like if you draw a little poor

27:06

turn one, um, and then you just get like

27:08

sister sacked, um,

27:10

I guess that's true.

27:11

pretty easy to lose. But although I think actually the biggest

27:13

thing is that let's play spirit to, right? Yeah.

27:15

So you just break the Snorlax player around turn one,

27:19

Okay. That was actually gonna be my question. The

27:21

Snorlax that won, played

27:24

spirit to itself. Why?

27:27

I mean, fixes the Mew matchup,

27:29

I think.

27:32

Okay. But like if you start Spiritomb,

27:34

you just lose the game right? Against like almost every

27:37

other matchup.

27:37

I don't know. You play three penny. You play a water, maybe

27:41

it goes okay.

27:43

you play four cards. Your Roadum

27:45

V is your main draw engine, right? So

27:47

like how are you drawing one

27:50

of one of those four cards without your

27:52

roadum? I don't think you do,

27:53

Yeah, you got four out. You can play Arvin Seal, snow

27:55

and Rhode Em. Next turn. Uh,

27:58

yeah, it's, it's probably terrible though. I mean, and but you

28:00

only start it like, um, what,

28:02

uh,

28:02

5, 6, 7, 8,

28:04

eight, like

28:05

Yeah. Less than one outta nine

28:07

times.

28:08

probably, yeah.

28:09

Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah.

28:12

The meme matchup in general for Snorlax doesn't

28:14

seem great, so

28:15

Yeah, I, I, I, I think it, like, it, it

28:17

fully swings it. I I think you're probably like zero, a

28:19

hundred, um, with ox

28:21

just start.

28:22

I don't know. The less than one and nine is actually,

28:25

I mean, even that is kind of scary because

28:28

you know, you have to keep in mind, again, we're

28:30

talking about Snorlax, like you're

28:32

not getting through three games

28:35

Yeah. But I mean, like, it's.

28:36

you lose game one, you're probably not even finishing

28:39

a game two, unless

28:41

No, no, no. Once you lose game one, it's, it's over. Um,

28:44

it's, yeah, but you,

28:47

uh, you

28:49

have less than one in nine. And then of those

28:51

games, the ones that you open Penny or like

28:54

Arvin or Forest Seal or something like that, like,

28:57

or you're against, like Charar in the matchups, just

28:59

like so good you can't lose anyway. Um,

29:02

or maybe against like a deck, um, that isn't

29:04

able to gust around the Spirit tomb or

29:06

something. Turn one. There, there's,

29:08

you probably don't like completely, instantly lose. Um,

29:11

especially if you're against a good matchup when you open it. Um,

29:13

it's less than one in nine. It seems

29:16

fair, especially if you think like muse's gonna be 20%

29:18

of the meta day two, like probably

29:21

worth.

29:23

Yeah, that's fair.

29:25

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

29:31

The lists are pretty similar. Uh,

29:35

beyond that, I mean, there's only so much you can do,

29:37

I guess, with Snorlax. Uh, they

29:41

both played Giacomo, even the dude or

29:44

the two people in Australia that

29:47

didn't play Spirit Tune, play Giacomo, which I

29:49

think is interesting, like

29:52

I, I, I think it's, I think it's needed. I forget

29:54

exactly what for, but like, not even just from you, but

29:56

just for, um, it

29:59

just, it gets, it gets, it gets rid of something

30:01

random and some, some meta matchup. I

30:03

think it's good against Gardy. Yeah. It's, it's good against

30:05

gardy, um,

30:06

Oh, just kill their reversal

30:08

reversals. Yeah.

30:09

Yeah. Makes them have two less things

30:11

that they can stick. Sure. Makes

30:15

sense. So, uh, one,

30:17

one more thing before we move on from Snorlax. Uh,

30:19

would you ever bring Snorlax

30:21

to a locals like a cup? Um,

30:23

because I feel like 30 minutes is

30:26

like, probably not enough time against

30:29

lot of players, especially

30:31

like players that aren't super competitive,

30:34

like, they're gonna take, they're

30:36

gonna be slow just because they're slow players. Uh,

30:39

and you're not gonna finish games, do

30:41

you guys, what do you guys think?

30:42

I told y'all I brought a, a slow deck this

30:44

weekend. It was a, it was a rough experience.

30:47

Um, but I Crobat,

30:50

you know, I might wake up one morning feeling

30:52

it, uh.

30:54

And that is really the primary determiner

30:59

Uh, I could say without a doubt, that

31:01

I would never bring it to, I mean,

31:03

I don't think I would ever play the deck period, but I

31:05

would especially never bring it to a

31:08

30 minute, 30 minute

31:10

tournament.

31:11

Yeah.

31:11

if you have some weird locals where they're,

31:13

they have some weird stupid time structure

31:15

that works in snar LA's favor, maybe.

31:18

Yeah.

31:19

I mean, there are obviously best two

31:21

outta three league challenges, but do not go to

31:23

those

31:24

Yeah, .Just stay home.

31:26

you, if you're looking for the technique, man, do not

31:28

go to Best of three league

31:30

challenges. Life is too short. Holy crap.

31:35

Yeah. The thing they would do to make it accommodating,

31:37

you would say, we should not accommodate such nonsense.

31:41

That's wild. Alright,

31:45

so the next deck I wanted to talk about was,

31:48

um, iron valiant did

31:51

I think mostly bad.

31:54

It did mostly bad. There was one

31:57

in Poland that the

31:59

dude was on stream, like I don't like three

32:01

times and he didn't make top eight. Like

32:03

for some reason he was on stream twice in day two.

32:06

I don't really know how that worked. Uh, but

32:08

he lost both of those. And

32:10

one other round, like if he won, I

32:12

think he lost three win ends, basically, uh,

32:14

two of them on stream So

32:17

that's, uh, feels bad for this guy. Uh,

32:20

but so he ended up top 16 and

32:22

then there was two in top 16

32:25

in Australia. I know kind of the, the

32:27

big Australian group

32:30

all played it. Um,

32:31

Yeah, that that's what I wanted. That's what I thought jumped

32:33

out to me was like Kaiwan. Kababi

32:35

obviously does well with it.

32:36

Mm-Hmm.

32:37

Uh uh But like, yeah, that's the quote.

32:39

Like the good players played iron valiant in

32:42

Australia and like, I

32:44

assume they would say they were somewhat unsatisfied with

32:46

how it all went. Right.

32:48

Yeah, I mean, Kaiwan started eight one,

32:50

day one, and then didn't make top eight. So

32:53

I think he went like 1, 3, 1 or something,

32:55

day two. Uh, so

33:00

yeah, I mean, I agree. Like the best players

33:02

in Australia all played it. Even Henry Brand

33:04

was in Poland. He played it. Uh, and

33:06

none of them did particularly well. Uh,

33:09

I mean, 10th is, is, or top 16

33:11

is good, but it's not great considering

33:13

that you're the five best

33:16

players in the tournament and you're all playing the same

33:18

deck. Uh, so

33:22

I don't know.

33:23

So, so is that deck bad? I

33:25

mean like, I don't know. I think we've kind

33:27

of circled around it as like a maybe deck. I

33:30

mean, obviously it's not that bad. Like the

33:32

Australians thought it was the best deck. and

33:35

yet they did not do well.

33:37

They played bad decks, bro. Like

33:40

they, uh, their entire top eight

33:42

was that like Mew Palkia thing that immediately

33:44

died off and was like 0% of

33:46

the format. The rest of

33:49

the format last year or something, bro. And

33:51

then Henry was like, hyping up, was Tino, which

33:53

turns out to be the worst second format. Like, let's,

33:56

I I can't trust it, bro. I

33:58

can't trust

33:58

I think, I think part of it is like they expected

34:01

so much Gar Devore and the deck is good against

34:03

Gar Devore. But I will say it's not like,

34:05

it's not like it's an 80 20 against Gar Devore. Like

34:07

it's maybe 60 40, uh,

34:09

something like that. Um,

34:12

Guardian's not in favor to anything bro.

34:14

Well, I mean, that's what I thought was the craziest thing is like

34:16

obviously they were on guard devore the prior week, So

34:19

then quote like, they, they come back playing

34:21

a deck that's good against guard of war. Guard

34:24

of war wins the tournament and they're not on it. And

34:26

like they got bodied up. Right?

34:28

Yeah.

34:28

Uh, I don't know if like, if like they just

34:31

didn't have sufficiently next level thinking

34:33

or like, uh, uh,

34:36

there's just something fundamentally flawed about that

34:38

deck or like what

34:40

I don't know. seems good.

34:42

like it's good, but it's like it's.

34:45

Pretty like hit or miss. I haven't played

34:47

a ton with it. I've played like, you know, five to 10

34:49

games with it. And it's like some games you

34:51

just like rip it. You just, you're

34:54

just cooking. You get the turn, one

34:56

yoga loop you can't lose. And then other games

34:58

you're like, man, I,

35:01

I pinged him twice for like,

35:03

I pinged twice on turn one and

35:06

I didn't do anything else.

35:09

I, I think actually I, I found it to be pretty consistent.

35:11

I think it's more about just like your opponent start, like

35:14

Okay. That's fair.

35:15

like the Mariah nine matchup goes

35:17

from like. A hundred zero if

35:20

like they don't rip two energy off

35:22

generator, turn one to like zero a hundred. 'cause

35:24

then like they have a two 20 HP Mariah on no

35:26

bench and you don't have anything as opposed to like

35:28

needing to like maybe go for Fluffy or something

35:30

like that. Um, or just

35:32

like fall falling behind. Like they have to make some concession

35:34

somewhere. If they don't, they don't open super well.

35:37

Um, and like, I think, I think that's

35:39

kind of the same way in a lot of other matches as well. Um.

35:43

Just like the strength, the strength of your opponent.

35:45

Sorry, you, you're pretty consistently

35:47

opening, I think with like relatively

35:50

the same stuff, at least in my games.

35:52

It's just more about whether or not your opponent opens really

35:54

strong.

35:57

That seems fair. Uh,

36:00

one thing I've noticed when I've played the matchup

36:02

from the Guardi side is like games that I randomly

36:04

star Zacian against them. I do really

36:06

good and

36:10

I'm like, okay, we'll we're just gonna hit 'em for one

36:12

50 and then I'm gonna get a guard X and

36:14

I'll kill things. And then eventually we'll

36:17

take my other four prizes.

36:21

Sound

36:22

Yeah.

36:22

Yeah. Yeah,

36:26

Yeah, I don't know. I think Ian is the type of deck

36:28

that will always be a presence in the format,

36:30

and like you'll probably

36:33

see a few of them in the, you'll probably see

36:35

a few in top 32 at every tournament.

36:38

I don't think, I don't think it's a great deck.

36:42

I think it has some decent matchups, but I don't

36:44

think it's great.

36:45

Yeah, also being like zero, a hundred into Mew

36:48

and like urchin and

36:49

Yeah, that's actually what I was

36:51

HP is terrible.

36:52

Yeah. Like, yeah, you just can't

36:54

beat Mew. Like Mew is actually

36:56

unwinnable, I think with that deck. So

36:59

Yeah.

37:00

you wanna talk about towards deck at

37:03

all?

37:04

I appreciate that. Did not

37:06

build the most consistent version

37:08

of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like

37:12

this thing's crazy.

37:13

Yeah.

37:15

yeah, I mean, I think, I

37:18

think it's good. I mean, it's lost box. It's

37:20

lost box. Like let's be real. It's

37:22

just lost box and you

37:24

know, it's a new set of, it's a

37:26

new set of attackers. that

37:29

we have not seen put together in Lost Box

37:32

before, but it's

37:35

pretty much, it's a, it's

37:37

the same sort of deck that we know.

37:39

I mean, yeah, I, I think he made a lot of interesting decisions.

37:41

I think no vacuum, no manife, one

37:44

stable eye. Those are all like really weird

37:46

decisions that I, I don't think like very many other

37:48

players would come at.

37:49

I mean, changing, changing all the attackers that are,

37:51

uh, have been in the deck previously to like

37:54

a, a completely new random set props

37:56

to him, man. Like other people weren't doing that. Like,

37:59

uh, you know, I think people, people were like

38:01

that lost box deck is solved and,

38:04

uh, he has done something else.

38:06

No, I think, I think this performance is absolutely

38:08

a testament to towards deck building scale.

38:11

Um, I think it's, I mean, it's really, it's

38:13

really, really impressive. Um, I,

38:17

I mean, I think the deck is good. I, I.

38:21

I don't think, I

38:23

don't think this will, my guess is

38:25

that this will not be like a new

38:27

tier one deck, um, that

38:30

we're gonna see doing well at

38:32

future tournaments. Um, I

38:35

think like, maybe we'll see a few,

38:38

but I, I actually don't think we're

38:40

gonna see much of this stack moving forward. That's

38:43

my, that is my guess. And maybe hot take.

38:46

I was actually gonna say basically the same thing. I

38:48

agree with almost everything you guys say about like the,

38:51

the interesting and unique factor

38:53

of this and prop stem for doing that, but I

38:56

don't think this is gonna like top 32. Any event.

38:58

The rest of the format It

39:00

just seems like it's, it was kind of

39:02

like made for an event and it's

39:07

just, yeah, I dunno. The, I just have

39:09

that feeling

39:10

This deck looks buns, bro. it looks terrible.

39:13

I like, I guess when I think

39:15

about the deck, I'm like, uh, like I

39:17

should, I should factor it into like my decision making.

39:19

But like pretty much every deck

39:21

I've thought about in the last few days, it's like,

39:24

that's just fine. Like I, I don't see how I'm like really

39:26

awful in the matchup or anything. Like, deck's

39:30

not super good, like.

39:31

Yeah, I think a lot of people probably like

39:33

didn't really know what was going on and played

39:35

pretty poorly against him, which is super understandable.

39:38

Like you're looking, you're playing against tour with this w

39:40

wacky ass lost box deck. You're like,

39:43

I don't know what to expect. Uh. like

39:46

we were, we were watching and talking about

39:48

it in the Discord when he was playing against

39:50

the, one of the char guards on stream. And

39:53

like the Charar player was so,

39:55

so close to throwing, uh, uh,

39:58

because he just didn't know like what he

40:00

was supposed to do, which is totally understandable. Um,

40:04

people can like, you know, see this deck and like, think

40:06

about it for a little bit now. Uh, it's

40:09

probably not great. I do think though,

40:11

that, um, Iron

40:13

hands in lost box could

40:16

be good, and maybe some other, some

40:18

other combination of cards as well. I just don't

40:20

think this specific combination will will

40:23

catch on, as Caden said.

40:26

Yeah. Um,

40:30

is there anything else

40:31

Oh, well, one other thing I'm kind of curious about is

40:34

like, what, what happened to Chimp

40:36

Pal? Like

40:37

Yeah,

40:38

it's just gone from the face of the earth,

40:40

right? Like falling off the

40:42

face of the earth, whatever the saying is.

40:45

Um, yeah, I mean, I think that, man,

40:50

I just don't think of the deck. I, I, okay,

40:54

so I played a lot of chimp out as you,

40:57

as you know, I played a lot of chimp out. I

41:00

think that the deck. Man,

41:02

I don't even know. Like I

41:04

think I, 'cause like

41:06

I'm looking at these guardi lists and

41:09

it doesn't feel like much has changed

41:13

in the Guardi lists.

41:14

the scream tail,

41:16

No, it's not the, it's definitely not the scream

41:18

tail though. Like that's definitely, It's

41:20

definitely

41:21

the,

41:21

not scream tail. That does not matter.

41:24

There's no way Scream tail matters.

41:26

dude, it lets you kill the bib. Lets

41:29

you, it lets you like counter catcher io,

41:31

KO bib. Like that card is

41:33

so good in the

41:34

no, I'm just putting down a mani in this matchup

41:37

now.

41:38

Avery

41:38

you get Avery.

41:39

and Ben benching man's so bad in the matchup

41:41

like. And

41:44

once you're committing bench spaces to Manaphy, like

41:46

now you're no longer getting to bib or something like

41:49

benching Manaphy, the screen, the screen

41:51

tail is so good to the matchup and like every

41:53

time you extend on turn two, you

41:55

get, um, screen tail Koko,

41:57

uh, KO backs and all they need is like candy

41:59

guardy fog and they get screen

42:01

tail KO and like

42:04

that. The scream tail is so good,

42:08

I can, they really hit scream

42:10

tail KO on BS turn two

42:12

consistently.

42:13

it's like so much easier. They don't need like a

42:15

single curlier down to do it and all,

42:17

like

42:18

Ooh. How? How are they getting their energy in

42:20

the discard?

42:21

don't know. Well, like May, maybe they have like

42:23

one Kirlia or something. Like obviously they

42:25

have to hit candy Guardy, but like if

42:28

they have like a decent hand size and you're able

42:30

to like do your thing, then they like

42:32

kale the back and you have to hit back to the next turn or

42:34

else you lose.

42:35

They need eight energy on Scream tail. The KO.

42:40

They need four.

42:41

84. Yeah. Eight

42:43

80 damage,

42:44

Oh. Oh. It's, oh yeah.

42:46

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um,

42:48

Uh, okay. okay. Nevermind.

42:50

Scratch

42:51

I don't know about how consistently it's turned two, but turn

42:53

three for sure. Yeah. Um, so

42:56

yeah, I didn't realize. how

42:59

bad it did in Poland. There was

43:01

85 people that played Chi Pow

43:03

Day one, 9% of the meta one

43:06

made day two and he got, and he

43:08

got 67th one

43:12

Okay. That is, that is atrocious.

43:14

that's

43:14

it's also terrible black.

43:16

Yeah. Yeah. That match's really bad. Um,

43:19

Maria ride-ons also a bad matchup, right. Um,

43:23

I.

43:24

I'm right onto bad matchup. Uh, muse,

43:27

not great. ards. A good matchup.

43:29

That's a good one.

43:30

Uh, mute is a bad matchup. Mute is worse

43:32

matchup than.

43:35

okay. Ante valance. Probably not

43:37

a good matchup. So like all

43:39

of these decks that we've talked about are all bad matchups,

43:41

I think for you, except jars art.

43:44

So I think that probably plays a big, big

43:46

part into it.

43:47

Yeah.

43:47

number one, bro. Jake's

43:49

number deck before

43:52

we, of course not single.

43:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:58

Yeah. It, I think it's just, I think it's like its

44:00

place in the meta is just pretty poor.

44:03

I think that's probably the biggest factor.

44:05

Yeah.

44:07

Um, um,

44:09

Hmm.

44:10

So Raul played in Inteleon Sche.

44:12

Is that, is that worth discussing? I,

44:14

I don't know what other like people

44:18

were, were doing, uh, like

44:21

I, I guess Sam Chen went to Australia.

44:23

But I'm trying to think of like what other And

44:25

John Ang, Isaiah Bradner crew,

44:27

Well, Sam played Gardevoir. He played the same

44:29

60 as Cal and

44:32

Gabe Smart, and they both Toba

44:34

did, which was very similar to Kieran and

44:36

Jeremy's list. Uh, three

44:38

cards, different and really Geraci

44:42

was like really the only addition. The other cards that

44:44

they changed were just, uh, like

44:46

shifting roles around, if

44:49

that makes sense. Like they changed a worker for an Avery

44:51

and then therefore dropped

44:54

the, uh, fog

44:56

for an artisan or something like that, just

44:58

to like, you know, keep some of that internal

45:01

consistency. So Raichu is really the

45:03

only addition. Um, but yeah,

45:05

in Inteleon, Urshifu seems okay

45:07

to me. I think, uh, the big thing that

45:11

nobody really thought about too hard was

45:13

the addition of Earth and Vessel is actually like really

45:16

big for that deck. Um, being

45:18

able to ear, or, I don't even think Rahul

45:20

played Iita, but like if you do play the

45:22

Iita version, like being able to just search out two

45:24

energy is super good. Um, it

45:27

like, it's, it's literally. A

45:31

hundred percent better than energy search, right?

45:33

Like, just significantly better. Uh,

45:35

and I think the TM devolution is okay

45:38

in that deck. Um, it gives you some different

45:40

lines in, in matchups,

45:44

even matchups, but like games that

45:46

you don't completely blow them off the board, like

45:48

against Charizard. You would either win if

45:51

you completely blew them off the board and lose if you didn't.

45:53

But now you have some play even if you don't.

45:55

Um, I think, I think Rahul

45:57

played two of the tmm. I probably wouldn't

45:59

play two, I'd probably just play one, I think.

46:02

Um, but yeah,

46:04

I, I think those additions were a

46:07

little bit, I

46:09

don't know, I just don't think people really thought about it until

46:12

recently.

46:15

Yeah. I I don't, I don't think the deck is,

46:19

I think it's fine.

46:21

Yeah. Yeah, it's fine.

46:23

fine.

46:24

Definitely play the Rapid Strike remade

46:27

if you're playing that deck. not like the

46:29

dude from Brazil. playing

46:33

non rapid strike remade, bro. Come on.

46:38

I play a two, one split.

46:41

No. You play a zero zero Aary bro.

46:44

A two. Uh.

46:47

he swears it's good too.

46:51

Um.

46:51

back, dude. I'm of thinking about cutting for

46:53

some Kirlia is.

46:56

That doesn't sound terrible. Um,

47:00

last week we did do like brief predictions

47:02

at the very end of the podcast. I

47:04

don't remember what your guys were, but I, I

47:06

did, I said that Sander was

47:08

going to win, and I would like

47:10

to say that I, well, I

47:12

wasn't right that Sander won Control

47:15

one or Snorlax one, so that's

47:17

something, uh, but. I'm

47:20

really curious what Sander played. He didn't

47:22

post anything. I had to even look to see

47:24

if he was at the event and

47:26

went one.

47:27

he, he, 1 4 1.

47:30

So I'm really interested.

47:32

He's probably not gonna post it because like

47:34

he's gonna save the sauce and work on it and

47:36

tweak it for whatever the next major he's going

47:39

to. Uh, worth noting though, he

47:41

beat Gardevoir, so

47:43

whatever controlled deck he cooked up. In

47:45

theory, beats guard Devore, but he lost to

47:47

some lost index, um, which

47:50

maybe he wasn't expecting. So

47:52

I'm, I'm interested to see what he's

47:55

got.

47:56

I, I, I heard that he was playing like something

47:59

with Block lax, not block lax, but

48:01

it was like a toolbox that was running block

48:03

lax

48:04

I mean, I'm sure he would put one in so he

48:06

could be like, that's a thing I could do. 'cause yeah,

48:08

I mean, he wants 10 choices every time he does

48:11

a turn.

48:11

I don't know. It's pretty

48:13

rare to like, for like, um, Control

48:16

toolboxes, I guess, um, to

48:18

have block boxes in them because you

48:21

obviously have to limit your bench for block lock, so

48:23

it's really not conducive to like a deck that isn't

48:25

built around it. Um, but

48:28

I think obviously it's just one, it's, it's

48:30

really like quite a powerful tool in the meta, the,

48:32

the one 50 and you get so much

48:34

value, like passively, I think just

48:36

like throwing it active whenever you can, um,

48:39

in like some sort of controlled control toolbox and

48:41

like, even just in general is probably like, pretty good.

48:43

Um, so I,

48:45

I guess it makes sense, at least from

48:48

what I've heard. I I, I

48:50

have really no clue what's in that deck.

48:52

Snla is like the great control tradition. You gotta

48:54

put one in every deck That's

48:58

just best practices.

49:01

Do you guys remember what your predictions were?

49:04

Uh, I do not. I think, I

49:06

think I predicted Roaring Moon. I

49:08

think I predicted Roaring Moon, or what

49:12

did I predict was gonna win L-A-I-C-I

49:14

think I

49:15

You weren't. You weren't on last week, Caden. Right, right,

49:17

right.

49:18

Um, I wasn't on last week, if I remember correctly. I predicted

49:21

Roaring Moon or some

49:23

other deck. Maybe I said valiant.

49:25

I might've said Valiant. Um,

49:28

Hmm.

49:29

I don't feel like

49:29

Valiant was a decent prediction. Roaring

49:32

Moon sucks like Roaring Moon

49:34

is. I feel like there's no roaring

49:36

moon's never gonna get above 5% again,

49:39

I feel like in any metagame.

49:41

Yes, I definitely over had over-indexed

49:44

on roaring moods.

49:47

On Roaring Moons strength. Um, the

49:49

deck is not good. Would

49:51

not recommend.

49:54

Again, it's, it's actually like inherently it's,

49:57

it's a strong deck, but it's like placed in the metagame

49:59

is just pretty poor.

50:00

Yeah.

50:02

And then Liam, what'd you say? You said me ride on.

50:05

I think I said like there

50:07

was gonna be like four Snorlax in

50:09

the top eight combined row I, and

50:12

then I said Guardia was gonna win Brisbane

50:14

Oh yeah,

50:15

then Charr was gonna get, no, I

50:17

think I said Snorlax wasn't gonna place at all. I, I

50:19

think I said that was terrible.

50:22

So see we're half right

50:24

Yeah, I, I, yeah.

50:28

I can't remember, but

50:30

was funny. I listened to Azul and

50:32

Chips podcast, um, like

50:36

the day after. I

50:38

like this past Monday, so like right after, um,

50:41

you know, this past weekend, but it was, their podcast

50:43

was the week before. And yeah, their

50:46

a zoo's predictions were like, so, so

50:49

far, uh, wrong. Basically

50:53

Snor, he like, he, he was crapping on Snorlax

50:55

the whole time. And then there you go.

50:59

And that's how they get you.

51:00

Yep.

51:02

All right guys. You ready for a

51:04

good, uh, or, or a terrible would you rather?

51:06

Yeah,

51:07

am. I'm so ready. I've never been more

51:09

ready.

51:10

Alright, um, alright.

51:14

I, if you this, I'm

51:16

interested in hearing how you guys think about the

51:18

problem here is a, if

51:20

you had to live in a cage the rest of your life,

51:23

would you rather the bars be horizontal

51:25

or vertical?

51:28

Hmm.

51:29

A vertical or no horizontal easy. It's

51:32

absolutely horizontal.

51:34

And is that because they can slide a pizza into you?

51:38

No, this

51:39

was that close?

51:40

this is so that I can climb on

51:42

them for a source of entertainment.

51:44

Ah,

51:45

Oh yeah, that's, that's pretty good.

51:48

I go vertical so I can climb on them for

51:50

a source of entertainment.

51:52

how'd I know that was coming?

51:56

Hmm. I was leaning horizontal.

51:59

I didn't think of that. I didn't really have

52:01

a good reason, except that vertical

52:05

is what you know is as

52:07

far as I know, used in

52:10

current prisons. So there's gotta

52:12

be a reason that they do that.

52:14

And so you want the other one?

52:15

and so I want the other one. Yeah.

52:17

Yeah.

52:19

Wait, but bro, wouldn't that be bad? Like, think about

52:21

it, right? Because if you're in prison and

52:23

you have, you're the only person there

52:25

with horizontal bars and the inmates walk

52:27

next to you every day, bro, and they see you like, are

52:31

some bad stuff gonna happen bro? Like, like,

52:33

oh man, like this is the horizontal bar guy.

52:35

Like, you know, you probably in for

52:38

some real bad, like, you know, you

52:41

might get messed up for that, bro. Like

52:44

terrible

52:44

Yeah,

52:45

true. Well, he, he didn't say we were gonna be in a

52:47

prison. He just said we were gonna be in a cage. So

52:49

we're just gonna be like, Jesus.

52:51

appar

52:51

That's terrible. I'd rather be in prison.

52:55

Apparently, as you probably can just guess, the

52:58

reason why prison bars are vertical

53:01

is purely just they're harder to

53:03

break down if they're vertical versus

53:05

horizontal.

53:07

Oh, is that 'cause you can't put your foot on

53:09

the top and get leveraged like you're in a world wrestling

53:11

federation like battle.

53:13

Uh, that like

53:15

easier, easier for wear and tear if

53:17

you're climbing on them like I was suggesting.

53:20

Um, also like, you

53:22

know, it's, it's

53:24

harder, it's just harder to break something that's,

53:26

that's vertical, um,

53:29

I don't think that that's true, but I think I'm gonna

53:31

go with my World Wrestling Federation read on

53:33

this, that that sounds to

53:35

me more credible.

53:37

Yeah.

53:38

All right guys. Another pod

53:41

in the books