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a thing. So I'm starting up

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a podcast about ai. So

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Ooh, you sound like

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AI

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I've always told people, you

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should leave a review for. Like I

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heard there's an incredible podcaster that

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you know well, you could leave a review for him. So

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apparently word is getting around that leaving a

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review is a thing that helps people find

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pods. And given that this is the only podcast about

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the Pokegear trading, you definitely wanna

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help people find it. That's the thing we

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could do anyway, way too much said

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about all that stuff

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hearing that, Liam, you're hearing that too, right?

1:21

Yes.

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Okay, so Brent every like 20 seconds

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or so, you go into like

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machine voice mode.

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You know what?

1:28

it's like all static kind

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This is gonna sound crazy, but I am, I am at Amazon

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Ops today, and apparently

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we have bad internet I, the

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last time I was in Boulder, I recorded

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the show from my hotel and I dropped like a

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million times. I dropped like twice. But,

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uh, I, I, so I'm, I'm

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a little bit of a loss. Um.

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Okay.

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You guys have turned into a machine once or twice for me as well,

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and I was just hoping that it's all gonna come out in the wash

1:54

because theoretically the podcast is getting

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recorded on a server somewhere,

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Mm hmm.

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but no guarantees. Alright,

2:03

with that in mind, I'm gonna let Liam and Mike do all the talking.

2:06

Talk about rotation guys.

2:08

Well, uh, so we found

2:11

out, I don't know, maybe a week ago, but

2:13

I think before our last podcast episode that

2:16

we know when the next set is coming out. I

2:18

don't remember the exact dates off the top

2:20

of my head, but I do know that it is

2:23

in March slash late

2:25

March. So it's actually pretty similar to

2:27

the timing. Last year, um,

2:30

where the very first event or the

2:32

set will be legal is EUIC,

2:35

which is like the first weekend in

2:37

April, I believe. Um, so

2:40

yeah, so like pre-release has happened during the

2:42

month of March. The set becomes legal at the very end

2:44

of March or the beginning of April, which means

2:47

that presumably that's also

2:49

when rotation will happen. So

2:52

I know we're getting like some, you

2:54

know, crappy Or not

2:57

crappy, depending on if you're a collector or

2:59

a player, uh, mini set in

3:03

January, probably the, the, like,

3:06

whatever the shiny set is. Um, but

3:10

that's presumably not gonna change the game very much. So

3:12

we definitely, we probably have this

3:14

format more or less through

3:17

March. Um, so

3:21

it's actually pretty similar to last year where this format

3:23

will be a very long. long

3:26

format. So Liam,

3:28

what do you think of that?

3:31

I am good with it, bro. Uh, I think the format's

3:33

pretty good. Everybody just like to complain.

3:36

It's.

3:37

I know. I think the format's pretty good too, but

3:40

I just think it sucks when. it's

3:43

the same thing for so long, right? Like

3:46

November, December, March, or November,

3:49

December, January, February, uh,

3:51

March. You basically have a five month format.

3:54

Uh, maybe a little bit less, but about that

3:57

How would they just ban list VIP now

4:00

and then like let the format roll until rotation.

4:04

That'd be great.

4:05

that would be great.

4:07

Um, it's fine. I

4:10

dunno, may, maybe if you're like going to more tournaments or something,

4:13

it's like, it gets like

4:15

more stale, more quickly, I guess. But

4:18

I, format's

4:20

fine. I don't, I don't think there's like any changes that, like, I'm like,

4:22

you know, desperately awaiting. I,

4:25

the games are good. The format's got a

4:27

lot of cards in it. A lot of interesting matchups go

4:31

with it.

4:31

we will, uh, we'll see how we feel in

4:33

like February See if we, uh,

4:36

still feel the same way because Yeah, I do

4:38

agree. I think the, the, the games are pretty interesting right now.

4:40

There's a lot of good decks, there's a lot of close matchups.

4:43

Um, but things

4:45

can get stale just because even if the game

4:47

is good, just because you're, you're doing the same thing

4:49

over and over and over again. So we'll see. Um.

4:53

related to

4:55

just like events and and whatnot.

4:58

Um, I saw two

5:00

things about CAPS for upcoming

5:02

tournaments today. One

5:05

of them is the Charlotte Cap is

5:07

just kind of like, keeps going up. Uh,

5:10

we were, we were just talking about it in our chat. NATO

5:12

pointed it out that it's could

5:14

be like What

5:16

did he say? Like 2,400 masters? Like

5:19

That's crazy. So that's, that has a potential

5:21

to be like a, uh, maybe the biggest regional

5:24

of the year. I, uh, uh, I don't know. But

5:26

then conversely, uh, Knoxville

5:28

registration happens tomorrow night

5:30

and they just released their initial cap. And

5:33

TCG Masters is 1200

5:37

so that's gonna probably sell

5:40

out very, very quickly. and

5:43

the other numbers are like not that big.

5:45

Like the VGC has a

5:47

total of just

5:50

under 600 players go, has 160

5:53

and then junior seniors is 2 56

5:55

combined. So if that's like, if you, the

5:58

reallocation is not gonna be that

6:00

much. Um,

6:02

Yeah. Yeah.

6:05

so We

6:08

will see how tomorrow night goes. If you're, if you're

6:10

listening to this, it's probably tonight, uh,

6:12

Tuesday, December or Wednesday,

6:14

December 6th is, is when registration goes live.

6:17

Uh, gonna

6:20

be a blood bath out there,

6:22

Wait, so is that, that's like 2,400 TCG

6:25

Masters like

6:27

That's, that's for Charlotte, for Knoxville.

6:29

1200 TCG Masters. Yeah.

6:32

I mean, what, what's the biggest tournament in history?

6:34

How big? How big was NAIC last year or

6:37

I think NAIC was

6:38

is the biggest.

6:38

like, just barely 2000.

6:41

Yeah.

6:42

Yeah. So like, is this gonna be the biggest Pokegear

6:44

tournament ever?

6:48

might be.

6:48

let's see, Toronto or Peoria

6:51

was Okay. No, Pittsburgh was the

6:53

biggest one so far at

6:56

1778. At

6:59

least for this year. Um. Let's

7:02

see, NAIC was, NAIC was like just under

7:04

1900.

7:05

I

7:06

if, so, if we beat 1900, I think

7:08

that is the, that's

7:11

the number to beat, I

7:14

think we will

7:15

you know, I, I do, do

7:18

you think Knoxville is keeping it at 1200

7:20

in recognition of the fact that they can't find

7:22

a way to get 2000 people to Knoxville

7:24

in a weekend like Knoxville?

7:29

Knoxville. That's fair. Charlotte

7:31

is a much more, uh, international airport

7:33

than Knoxville for

7:34

Exactly, exactly. If you wanna know what the, what's the difference between

7:36

Pittsburgh and then Peoria? The

7:38

difference is airports.

7:40

Yeah. though Peoria

7:42

was almost as big, but I guess a lot more people can

7:44

drive to Peoria. Yeah.

7:47

yeah,

7:50

Um.

7:50

yeah. They get the upside of many people can drive

7:52

and the downside of, oh my

7:54

God, there's no way to get to Peoria if you do

7:56

not live near Peoria. I.

7:59

Yeah, I, I wanna say I think it's like pretty crazy

8:01

that we're hitting, I guess over 2000

8:03

now. Um, maybe, um,

8:05

given that like at the same time last

8:08

year, I think we were hitting like a thousand

8:10

player master tournaments for like the

8:12

first time. And that was like, that was like mind

8:14

blowing. Now we're, now we're at almost

8:16

double that. It's pretty crazy.

8:20

yeah. Let's see, like Knoxville last year

8:22

was 1100. I

8:24

think Florida was Florida. Maybe the not

8:27

Florida was the biggest one last year and

8:29

that was just under 1500

8:32

and Yeah, but you're right. Like a year

8:34

ago, All the first regionals

8:37

of the year, Baltimore, Peoria, Toronto, were

8:39

like just barely over a thousand. So

8:41

like we were just hitting a thousand and

8:44

now we're, we're knocking on the door of 2000

8:46

in a year. Yeah. That's crazy. It's

8:50

a double, double in one year.

8:52

Yeah, it's

8:55

a prize pool, bro.

8:57

That said, yeah, that was like, that was the obvious

8:59

thing on the tip of everyone's tongue there. Prize

9:01

pools.

9:05

Um, so those

9:07

are, those are some of the big events in the horizon.

9:09

We are gonna talk a bit about the Metagame

9:12

heading into Stuttgart

9:14

and San Antonio in a couple weeks, but before

9:16

we do that, I. Let's

9:18

talk about some local events. So, uh, Liam

9:21

and I both played a local event this

9:23

past weekend. I played a challenge, so

9:26

not quite as prestigious as Liam's Cup, um,

9:29

but I played, uh, I played Zekrom

9:32

Box for some funsies. Um,

9:37

it was a decent challenge. I

9:39

don't know, maybe like 30 people. I went four

9:41

in one, got fourth, uh, beat.

9:44

I went three in one against loss zone decks.

9:46

So taking Zurich and beating loss

9:48

zone decks is something that I never

9:50

was able to do before. So that's pretty cool.

9:53

Um, I don't

9:56

think Zuora Box is the most

10:00

competitive deck, but it's fine.

10:02

It's, it's good. It just, it still has its

10:05

issues, right? It's kind of just losing. To

10:08

itself and you also like have to work

10:10

really hard to do not that

10:12

broken of stuff. Uh, so

10:16

I dunno. It was fun. Glad I got to play it for a

10:18

challenge, but I would never, never

10:21

think to bring it to a regional Uh,

10:25

and I got a cup next weekend. Uh, I don't

10:27

know. I'll probably play Gardevoir. And speaking

10:29

of Gardevoir, Liam, talk to us

10:31

about your cup.

10:32

Yeah, I, I had a lead cup. I

10:35

don't do those too often, but, you

10:37

know, I gotta get my finishes up, so I, I

10:39

brought Gardevoir. It's the BDIF

10:41

for sure. Um, I.

10:45

There was nothing too crazy. This tournament,

10:47

uh, I had in Swiss

10:50

it was six rounds, so there, there were 48 players

10:52

at the cup, um, which is pretty big.

10:54

But I started off 4.0

10:57

and then I double IDed in. I hit

11:00

I Lugia two ride-on and something

11:03

I forget. Um, the,

11:05

the morons, I, I kind of just like blew

11:08

them out. One of them drew really poorly. The other,

11:10

um, And like

11:12

the other, I, I was playing like a really aggressive,

11:14

um, build a guarder for it. It was pretty similar

11:17

to towards list. I was playing three research,

11:19

three io. So, you know, shred my

11:21

deck, get a lot of energy in the discard, hit

11:23

the reversal, um, and you know, just

11:25

big Ks like that. Um, so,

11:28

so I never fell too far behind. Um.

11:31

Um,

11:31

Then in the Lugia game, I actually did fall really

11:33

far behind. I, I had a pretty subpar

11:35

setup and I started the Shinx. So

11:39

I went down three to six, uh,

11:41

before I hit my first attack. And then on

11:44

that attack, I counter catcher

11:46

KD and Archie ops, um, with

11:49

Guard EX. Uh, and I, I

11:51

didn't know if they played Ian or not. It turns out

11:53

they did. So they hit the drop in the next turn. Um,

11:55

but they had to use all their primal turbos

11:57

there and. If they benched a second Lugia

11:59

that game, I, I don't really know why, but yeah, so

12:01

there was a Lugia on the bench and they didn't have a primal

12:04

Turbo to pre powered up, so I counter

12:06

catched it io and then screen

12:08

tailed to Kao, the second Archie ops. Um,

12:12

and then I was able to, uh,

12:15

just like screen tail, um, for

12:17

like my last four prizes while they drew past,

12:20

'cause they were, I oh to one. Um, so that

12:22

was like a pretty cool comeback. Um, but

12:24

yeah, that was, that, that was my Swiss uh, and

12:27

then. Top cut. I hit

12:29

a Mew. Um, I

12:32

lost, I lost game one. I

12:34

managed to win games two and three. I I

12:37

really almost messed up game three, but, uh,

12:41

I, I was able to get there, I guess.

12:43

Um, they, they made a mistake by evolving a second

12:45

VMax, so like they weren't able to psychic

12:48

leap into just two prizes

12:50

on a turn that I needed to take three prizes to

12:52

win. Um, so

12:54

yeah, it put me in a position to win. Um.

12:58

In top four, I hit zad. That

13:00

matchup is like really, really good. Um,

13:04

and yeah, so I put a reversal on

13:06

my Gardevoir, put six energies on it, and

13:09

took some one hits. Um, the

13:12

Palkia version's also, like I I find a little easier

13:14

to beat because you can scream tail

13:16

with a luxurious cape or an ancient capsule

13:19

and knockout. The bench pge

13:21

it while going, like Counter Catcher io. And

13:23

so you're able to take two prizes, counter catch iono,

13:26

um, and like it just creates

13:28

like massive winning chances. And you get that basically

13:30

every game, which you don't get versus the BI

13:32

version, although you do have a better

13:34

counter catcher target against the,

13:36

the BI version. And either way, the Match's really,

13:39

really good Um, you have

13:41

one hits, you have, uh, the Scream Tail

13:43

Scream Tails is an amazing card. Uh,

13:45

and then in finals I hit, uh, rapid

13:47

Strike Fu. Um. That

13:50

matchup like sucks. Uh, yeah, that matchup iss terrible.

13:52

Um, I, I didn't play it very well. I

13:54

walked into the, the Tmm

13:56

Devo or whatever, game one mm-Hmm.

13:58

Um, I, I

14:00

was playing a build without Celia, and,

14:03

um, my opponent knew that, so he was able to put like,

14:07

you know, eight damage counters on all my things, and

14:09

then Devo on the last turn so

14:11

that I can power up an attacker. And I, I, I should have

14:13

had his option, like pre powered up, but.

14:16

Yeah, without, without Celia. Uh, if

14:18

they're able to just like sit there and then all your

14:21

iOS don't turn into like, um, disruption,

14:24

um, it's, it's really hard to make

14:26

progress, uh, make, make progress faster

14:28

than they're able to like set up this like checkmate,

14:31

uh, with the devo. Um,

14:34

so yeah.

14:37

Pretty good. Um did

14:41

you like the more aggressive list over

14:44

and you played? Did you play VIPs? I forget.

14:46

I did, I did. It was really, it was really similar towards

14:48

build. Um. Yeah,

14:52

so I, I was playing VIP three research,

14:54

three io. I, I thought it was real, pretty good. Um,

14:57

John Ang and Alex Rubin were

15:00

both at the, um, both at the Cup

15:02

as well. They were playing the no VIP

15:04

list. And, uh, their, their

15:06

losses came from, uh, terrible

15:08

openings without VIPs, uh,

15:11

where they like prized some

15:13

number of Kirlia. Um, and

15:15

their mirage step didn't work. So their deck didn't work and

15:17

then they lost, uh. VIP

15:20

you, like, you could still play mirage dev in V ip. So

15:22

you get the, the best of both worlds. You just lose a little bit

15:24

of space. Um, I

15:26

don't think you have to play kind of card.

15:29

I think like no, VIP is probably

15:32

better in best of three because it just

15:34

draws worse. And so you can just scoop

15:36

games quicker. Um, VIP is

15:39

probably better in best of one or at least, uh,

15:41

like, I don't know which one is like actually

15:44

a better deck, but what I'm saying is, uh,

15:46

Yeah. Yeah. That, that logic

15:47

it, yeah, it's more reasonable to play. No

15:50

VIP in best of three VIP still might

15:52

be better than not playing, but you

15:54

know what I mean.

15:55

Amazingly, I think you're saying Mirage Step

15:57

is even more high roley than VIPs.

16:00

Right, right, right. To

16:03

some extent, right? Like it's a

16:08

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're, you're like, you're like, I'm gonna claw

16:10

back these four spots in my deck in, in

16:12

exchange for having to make sure I do this

16:14

thing every single game. And if it doesn't

16:17

happen, then my deck implodes.

16:19

Right.

16:19

yeah. Yeah.

16:21

Yeah, like the setup also feels

16:23

like really, really, really risky.

16:25

Like, and that it's you. You don't have like

16:27

a straightforward, like you, you're

16:29

not getting Pokegear out from turn one, like your

16:31

turn one is like, I'm just gonna draw

16:33

a pass and pray to God. This routes doesn't die. And

16:36

then like, you know, so if something bad happens,

16:38

like you get like gusted or, um,

16:41

you know, your routes dies, you,

16:44

you just like lose and, and like you're

16:46

setup in that sense, like feels really awkward. Like one

16:49

of the issues that you run into with Mirage that you never

16:51

worry about with VIP is like, occasionally

16:53

you just like, you open routes and you're

16:56

like, I have one level ball, I'm just gonna sit

16:58

here and like hold it. Because it

17:00

has to go, it has to go to mirage depth. And

17:03

like, you, you don't know if

17:05

like, um. You prize mirage

17:07

de or not. So like you, you end up

17:09

in situations like that, that just like feel really

17:11

scary, at least. Um, whereas

17:14

VIP you just like, you know, uh,

17:16

all gas, no breaks the whole time.

17:18

yeah. Yeah. You go get Mew and then pray

17:21

that you hit the VIP Um.

17:25

Yeah. But, uh, but like I said, like besta

17:27

three, like that situation where you're like, okay, I

17:29

got the lone rolls, I got this level ball, and it's

17:31

like, oh, if Mirage step is prize, we go to

17:33

game two, baby and then

17:35

you, and then you have time.

17:38

A huge issue We.

17:39

Right, right, right. And it's act.

17:41

And I think Kiir, Kieran or Jeremy mentioned it when

17:44

they were on, like, that's

17:46

not a terrible thing to have in guard

17:48

war because the games are long. So

17:50

like, you know, losing a game in three minutes

17:52

is better than losing a game in 15

17:55

minutes or 20 minutes. Yeah.

17:57

So.

17:58

Well, and I know you made tough, tough cut decisions

18:01

like the clia, the

18:03

uh, um, Manaphy. So

18:05

like if I told you, oh, you can get back a

18:07

whole bunch of slots on your deck, you'd be like, dubs, dubs,

18:09

dubs.

18:10

Yeah.

18:12

So, Liam, do you wanna talk at all? I, I recognize

18:14

you've come full circle in, in hopping

18:17

on here and immediately saying Guard, Devore,

18:19

BDIF. And that Like two

18:21

weeks ago we were having the like all

18:23

guard Devore podcast and you were like

18:25

Iron Hands, iron hands.

18:27

I dunno. Yeah, I, I think, I don't know. I,

18:30

I think my opinion's been relatively consistent on this,

18:32

which is that guard war's, the BDIF,

18:34

but it's like super duper difficult to play.

18:37

Um, and it's probably not the BDIF if

18:39

you play it at like a low level, um.

18:42

Meh on is I think, the next best deck,

18:45

and it's really easy to play. Um,

18:48

it's a, like, there's some complexity to it

18:50

because, you know, once you play meh on, you lose

18:52

all them brain cells and then your play drops

18:54

and like, it suddenly becomes really hard to figure out

18:56

what you're doing. But I. Yeah,

18:59

I mean, Mariah's pretty easy to play generally,

19:01

and it's very good. So you,

19:04

you can be like confident, you'll play it, you'll like

19:06

maximize your chances with the deck that at max

19:08

level has good chances. Um, uh,

19:12

whereas with Gardevoir, it's, it's much harder to say the same

19:14

thing.

19:16

Um, so Ian Rob had a tweet

19:18

today that Gari

19:21

GDI is a tier two deck. You can't have a

19:23

horrific matchup versus the best deck in format. Mariah,

19:26

on thoughts.

19:28

horrific an insane word to use there. It's,

19:30

it's not that bad,

19:33

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's that

19:35

bad either. Like

19:37

slightly unfavor, even with like the mirage

19:39

that builds or something. Like, it's

19:41

fine.

19:42

I'm sure with, I'm sure like with the build you played,

19:45

it's even

19:46

I, I think it's favored.

19:47

You think it's favorite for Guardian?

19:49

v ip six draw supporters, like,

19:51

or Ian, um, you

19:54

like. You, you should be

19:56

good for hitting like early responses. Um,

19:59

Yeah.

19:59

like, uh, uh,

20:01

yeah, master should be good It's, it's

20:04

fine. And you're also able to have like, like super productive

20:06

turn ones, um, with

20:08

the VIP build, uh, until like, maybe

20:10

even like a turn two guard EX or something like that,

20:13

which is really hard for them to respond to. It's.

20:16

Yeah, I do think I haven't tested at

20:19

all. I Wonder if

20:21

a mi queue is ever worth playing in

20:24

the deck just to try to buy you

20:26

a turn. It's probably not worth it

20:28

because they have escape ropes and like

20:30

it's another card that you have to fish out in the,

20:32

in the first turn or two, uh, over

20:34

like a route or something else. So it's probably not

20:36

worth it, but it's at least something

20:39

to consider, I guess.

20:41

Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean it

20:43

definitely feels terrible getting iron hands on, uh,

20:46

turn, turn one, turn two. Um,

20:48

but maybe he was like pretty bad

20:50

too.

20:51

Yeah. Uh,

20:53

So I, I, I think for, for, for

20:55

listeners, I mean, I recognize, uh,

20:58

I think when you've played guard of war at regional's

21:00

past, Liam, you were like. It's

21:03

really, really hard to play it well for

21:05

like all day. And,

21:08

and here I, I think you said once again,

21:11

it's just like really, really hard to play. Are,

21:14

does that color your thinking, do you think? Oh, I would, I

21:16

I wouldn't play it to San Antonio because Too

21:18

hard to play. Or are there things that like,

21:21

and Mike, I'm interested in your take on this, like

21:23

you can do to help ensure

21:26

you consistently play your best

21:28

or something throughout the day, like As,

21:31

as a parent, I'm, I'm cognizant of like,

21:34

it's a grind man. That's why I don't play. Everybody knows

21:36

I don't play 'cause like Jesus Christ, I

21:39

don't have enough brain cells to last that long.

21:43

I think on like further reflection, it's not

21:45

even like the deck's, like too hard to play. It's

21:47

kind of just like. There's

21:50

like, there's just like so much stuff

21:52

going on and then like, it's,

21:55

it's really easy to like, like feel

21:57

overwhelmed more than like actually be overwhelmed,

22:00

I think. Um, like it's,

22:03

yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a lot of stuff you have to keep track

22:05

of and then like once you lose like

22:08

your hand on like one thing, it can

22:10

feel like the whole game is like falling apart, I

22:12

guess. Um. I

22:14

like, yeah, I, I

22:17

think I could play it, but it's definitely scary and I know

22:19

I, I've sent Gardevoir a few times in the past and

22:22

every single time I, I obviously think I

22:24

can play it at a level that will be able to produce

22:26

like some sort of result that I'm looking for, but,

22:28

uh, it hasn't worked out. Um,

22:31

so it's, it's something I'm definitely factoring

22:34

in. But same time, I

22:36

do think the deck's really good. I'd, I'd love to be able to

22:38

play it at a high level. Um, I,

22:40

I think that would be my best chance at getting like a good result.

22:42

So. I

22:45

don't know. It's a, it's a hard decision.

22:48

Yeah. Like, and it's

22:51

like weird for Mewtwo because like I,

22:53

I feel like I've played it fine at all the events that

22:55

I've been to, but I haven't made day two. Right. Like, I've been

22:57

wondering away from making day two, uh,

23:00

That's, I know we talked about this before and you were, you

23:02

were always like, I've played it a lot. I feel totally fine, but,

23:05

but yeah, like, like we haven't gotten the results yet.

23:07

Uh, even though I look at you guys and I'm

23:09

like, they're good enough to get the results.

23:12

right. And so like, is it Is

23:14

it, uh, my play that is

23:16

like, it's hard for me to identify what things

23:20

that I'm not doing correctly? Or is it

23:22

just, you know, the variance and, and matchups, like, it's

23:24

really hard to identify, uh, for,

23:26

for myself. So, I

23:28

dunno. Um, I mean, I think playing it at a cup

23:31

like Liam did is, is, you know, it's not

23:33

perfect practice, but I think like that's

23:36

it's practice. It's good practice playing it in

23:38

person.

23:39

I, I, I think it's fine. Probably. I think it's,

23:42

I mean, my, my best of one results with Guard are

23:44

like so much better. It's also in like, you know,

23:46

a way lower stake situation with way fewer rounds.

23:48

Like it, it's much easier to,

23:51

to. Have better play,

23:53

I think at like Elite Cup or Elite Challenge as

23:56

compared to like, you know, nine round regional, um,

23:58

where you like the clock is also something I

24:00

think that I've had like major issues with

24:02

and it's not even like I tie a

24:04

lot, but it's more, more that I have to rush, um,

24:07

in order to finish games like after you, after you

24:09

lose Game one, um, to,

24:12

to whatever reason, like you, you have

24:14

to play lightning fast to try to avoid a

24:17

tie. Um, and like you never

24:19

have that kind of pressure on you at a local event.

24:22

Yeah, it is like a different, um,

24:27

capacity for skill I guess. Like you

24:29

could be the best Pokegear player in the world, but you

24:31

could not be the best Pokegear player in the world in

24:34

time situations. Uh, right.

24:36

Yeah. Hmm. I

24:39

dunno. That's, it's definitely the big

24:41

risk of a deck like carnivore.

24:44

Yeah,

24:46

And after that, where, where does that take us?

24:49

you gotta say that again. Yeah,

24:55

that, that, that, uh, made more sense.

24:58

Yeah. Uh uh,

25:00

so, so what's, what's the play for Stuttgart? Is

25:03

it just Guard of War and the sheer number of

25:05

people that play it? Somebody who would play Guard of War will win the

25:07

tournament.

25:09

I don't know. So, uh, Benji

25:12

fam posted a handful of questions

25:15

about Stu Kart Day two predictions. So

25:17

maybe we could talk about Tho we

25:20

can answer those questions here. I, I

25:22

can, I can say 'em out as well.

25:24

Um, and then depending on our answers,

25:26

we can come to, uh, the play.

25:29

So the first question is moron

25:31

is, which, which will be played more

25:33

in day two. Moron, PONI

25:36

or no Poni.

25:38

No p and e. Um, I

25:41

assume this is like, yeah,

25:44

this is like the Turbo list. Um.

25:46

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

25:47

really, really Turbo list. I, I

25:49

don't know if I said this last week, but I've been saying it for the

25:51

past few days for sure. I have zero

25:53

clue how you arrive at the Turbo list.

25:56

Um, I think in Neil's list, like was

25:58

playing like three Arvin. Um, and

26:00

to me that is like the strangest thing

26:03

where like it's got like

26:05

five draw supporters or something and like,

26:08

I don't, I don't know what calculation

26:10

you do to find that. Like 18th

26:12

Energy is better than six draw

26:14

supporter like. I,

26:17

it's insane. Uh, I, I

26:20

mean, I haven't put in any games on that deck,

26:22

but I, I, the

26:25

counts don't make any sense to Mees,

26:27

it's. It's funny you say that 'cause uh,

26:30

NATO came and played a cup, uh,

26:33

a week or two ago, and the only change he

26:35

made to that list was dropping the 18th

26:37

energy for like, uh, another research or something

26:39

like that. like, he's like, I,

26:42

I gotta do that at least. Um, yeah,

26:45

I agree. I've played against the PE

26:47

version probably as just

26:50

as much as I have the, like, the regular version

26:52

on live. Um, but

26:55

that version seems, yeah, I, I don't

26:57

think it's, it's good. Like it feels bad when it goes

26:59

off, but like there's also plenty of games where they

27:01

just don't really get to play the game or they get their, their

27:04

term one attacker and then you kill it and then they have nothing

27:06

else, uh, for the rest of the game.

27:08

Um, I think personally,

27:11

I think if I was gonna play my ride on, I

27:13

would play, you know, something like,

27:16

uh, the list that won LAIC,

27:18

but probably with beach courts over path.

27:22

Um. And like,

27:25

I think, I think that's what, uh, Gabriel's

27:27

list was, right? It was kind of the

27:29

same thing, but it had beach courts.

27:31

I, I have no clue.

27:33

Yeah. Yeah. I think it was

27:34

I, I love the path though. I, I think the path's

27:36

amazing. It's like I. It's

27:39

significantly better in Mew. It's

27:41

really good against zd. It's really good against, uh,

27:44

Gardy. It's really good against Mew. Those

27:46

are like all your, all your bad matches. It gives you good shots against.

27:49

Um, the, the other thing on like the really high energy

27:51

count, 'cause that's obviously like the defining factor

27:53

of the Turbo build, um, is like

27:56

I've put in a good number of games with the, yeah,

27:58

like the LAIC list. I'm playing like

28:01

13 energy and like. I,

28:03

I, I, I have not had a moment where I wish I had

28:05

more energy. Like I think I,

28:07

I hit generators, like of beyond

28:09

acceptable, um, like amount of

28:11

the time. Um, and

28:14

yeah, like I, I hit turn one,

28:16

turn two hands, like pretty consistently. Um,

28:19

I, I can't imagine cutting all my draw supporters

28:21

for for more energy, um,

28:24

for like whatever bump that would give me. I don't, I

28:27

don't see a world where that's like good enough for me.

28:29

Yeah, I agree. All right. Number

28:32

two is Mew, DTE

28:34

versus Fusion.

28:37

I hate fusion, bro. I think, I think I actually, actually,

28:39

I think it's fusion. I think fusion's better, but I

28:42

hate fusion.

28:44

I, I agree. I think, well, so I think

28:46

Fusion will be more played and more represented

28:49

by, but I also agree that if I

28:51

was playing Mew, I would for sure play

28:53

DTE Mew.

28:54

I agree.

28:55

Yeah. Like I'm not that scared

28:57

to Spirit tomb and like you

28:59

just take the Ls, like

29:01

And D team. A better deck, bro. You gotta play

29:03

a bunch of back cards.

29:05

It's just way better. I really like the lists.

29:07

Um, that did

29:09

well. I think in

29:11

Poland there was 2D TEM.

29:13

I think one of them played grabber, one of them didn't.

29:16

Uh, and I like both of the lists.

29:18

Are they crushing Hammer or no?

29:20

No, no. Crushing Hammer dude. Crushing Hammer seems so troll

29:22

to me. like, what is

29:24

Crushing Hammer doing?

29:26

I mean, um, the,

29:28

the Mew that I hit in top eight at the League Cup

29:30

this weekend was the Cushing hammer build.

29:32

And the maybe, maybe

29:35

a guardian matchup isn't, isn't the one it's good against,

29:37

but I mean, I I

29:39

don't know, imagine what it's good against. I, I think

29:41

the best argument is that it's pretty

29:43

burnable and you can discard

29:45

it off cram.

29:46

Yeah,

29:48

So

29:49

I feel like, like

29:50

that's all I saw it used for.

29:52

Yeah, like the, presumably it's

29:54

okay against Charr, right? If they get the one charr

29:57

out, then you can like hammer away some fire

29:59

energy. But like, just

30:01

grab 'em, dude. Like if you're gonna play crushing hammer,

30:03

just play grabber. Like cheese them

30:05

one way or the other. Grabber just seems way better.

30:07

Grabber's decent against Gardevoir as

30:09

well, so yeah,

30:12

I dunno. Grabber seems way better than me. Um,

30:15

okay, three Charr. P

30:18

versus, well, it it, the

30:21

way Benji frames it is Evolution Tmm

30:23

versus No Evolution tm. I

30:25

haven't seen Evolution TM in the Piot

30:27

build, so I'm assuming that's Piot versus bi.

30:30

Yeah, I, you, you can't play PT

30:32

and tmm, like,

30:33

Yeah.

30:34

it just doesn't work. Um, I,

30:37

the PTT builds good. I think like.

30:40

Yeah, the PTT builds much better.

30:43

I agree. I think a more interesting question might

30:46

be, there was some list that did,

30:48

well, obviously like

30:50

the standard list is with four Arvin, but

30:52

there was a couple lists that did well that didn't

30:54

run Arvin like the, the Japanese

30:56

dude that got second in Brisbane did

30:58

not run Arvin, and I think one of the

31:02

top eight in Poland also did

31:04

not run Arvin.

31:07

I could be making that up, but Let's

31:10

see.

31:13

Yeah, I don't know. I've never been a fan of Arvin,

31:16

but I, uh, I don't

31:18

know if like running Pidgey with

31:20

that. It makes sense. Uh, I,

31:22

I don't know. I haven't put any games in what the deck, so I, I

31:24

can't give a good.

31:27

Oh, so it's actually just both of the chars arts

31:29

that did well in Brisbane, did

31:31

not play. Arvin got second and third and

31:34

neither played. Neither played

31:36

Arvin. So. Oh,

31:39

one of them was though, so Yeah,

31:44

Arvin iss. Okay. But you can kinda like, you can

31:46

kind of just get there, right. Even without Arvin

31:48

often,

31:50

Yeah.

31:53

and like iono iss just way, way, way

31:55

better as the game goes on.

31:59

Do I, I find that, I

32:01

find it when it was like, fine, the game goes

32:03

on, but it's like. It's pretty sucks

32:05

dude. 'cause you don't draw any cards, man. And

32:07

you get like one car to turn.

32:08

Mm-Hmm.

32:10

That's always my experience.

32:14

Yeah. I do

32:14

I don't.

32:15

better though. I

32:19

think charts are, is good. I think like personally, I

32:21

think like the tier one decks personally

32:24

are guardian, moron and charr. Like

32:26

that's what I think.

32:27

What, what is Charles already good against? Bro. It's

32:29

like good against Mew. It's

32:31

like slightly favored verse. More on

32:34

what? What else are you good against?

32:37

Uh, well, I mean, what else is there?

32:40

You're good against anti Valiant for sure.

32:43

You just set up a set up

32:45

Aard, you're chilling. Uh, you're

32:47

obviously very bad against Noex. Um,

32:51

I think you're probably pretty good

32:53

against Rapid Strike. You're

32:56

find rap like pretty hard if they, the, the

32:58

devo or

32:59

Oh, the devo. Yeah, I guess that's true. speaking

33:02

about Zd to Snorlax matchup, would you

33:04

ever tech for Snorlax

33:06

with Zd

33:09

ZI

33:11

mean, like I get that I'm not answering the question, but

33:13

I wouldn't play Z Man But

33:15

I mean, no, I, I wouldn't play mini or, or

33:18

Turo. Uh, I like. It,

33:21

it takes way too many cars to, to try to beard,

33:23

like the, the matchup is like so terrible.

33:26

I think you could probably play two, maybe three turro

33:28

and you, you'd still be on favor. It's

33:30

terrible matchup.

33:31

I agree. Like that's, that's kind of like

33:35

the, you can tech for stall

33:38

if your matchup is not unwinnable

33:40

already, but if you're already

33:42

unwinnable Yeah. Don't bother putting

33:45

in cards. Uh, like, like

33:48

Gardy. You can tech a little bit more if you want. You can

33:50

run the Turo pal Padd. Um, but

33:52

it's like winnable even without those cards. Right. You just don't

33:55

let them lock a blue dude and you, and

33:57

you could win. Um, but yeah, chars

33:59

are unwinnable. Not worth, not

34:01

worth checking. Um,

34:04

okay, that ard uh, now

34:06

the rest are pitting two decks

34:08

against each other. What will be more played in day two?

34:11

Gardevoir or Snorlax? X

34:13

Yeah, that's not

34:15

a real question bro.

34:16

Yeah. Carnivore. Moving on, uh,

34:19

Giratina or Roaring Moon?

34:21

I feel like also not a real question.

34:23

Oh my. No, that's a hard one.

34:25

I think, uh, like Yeah,

34:28

I, I think that's a hard one. Like, I'd

34:31

be, I like, I'd be inclined to say

34:34

Roaring Moon 'cause I just, I just can't say Giratina. I, I

34:36

can't say Giratina.

34:38

Oh, interesting. To, uh,

34:40

let's

34:41

It doesn't deserve, it doesn't.

34:44

let's see. There was

34:45

a bad deck, dude. Oh my God.

34:48

uh. Oh wow.

34:50

There really wasn't that much Giratina at all in,

34:52

uh, in Poland. Two

34:55

three

34:56

Yeah, dude, I saw like three tweets today about

34:58

like, oh my God. Like I

35:00

keep thinking Tina's the BDIF, and then it's

35:02

like the worst I can format after I play it, and I'm

35:04

like. We've

35:07

noticed like the worst I can format for like months

35:09

now, it's, it's, it's literally terrible. They're

35:11

like, oh, but like, it like makes so much sense in theory

35:13

because like, you know, I don't,

35:15

I don't know how I actually reached this position, but what

35:17

if I have like two s and two Tinas

35:20

fully powered up and then I go pass Roxanne counter catcher.

35:22

Like, whoa. But

35:24

like, there's

35:26

no way to reach that bro. It's like,

35:29

I think it's terrible, bro.

35:31

When I, when I played, uh, in my challenge

35:33

over the weekend, Two of the games were against

35:35

Giratina, and I felt like if I was

35:37

playing any other deck except Zoro Box, I

35:39

would've just smashed them because

35:43

like Zoro, I kind of just have to sit there and

35:45

wait for them to do something proactive.

35:47

And they weren't doing anything for

35:49

Yeah, it.

35:50

turns So

35:54

yeah, I guess that's fair. Uh,

35:56

in Poland, their day two numbers were pretty comparable.

35:59

Roaring Moon and Giratina. Uh, so Yeah,

36:03

I'm gonna go with Giratina. I think it'll be more represented

36:05

than Mory Moon, but I,

36:07

just people actually play Giratina 'cause they think it's good,

36:09

but so bad,

36:11

bro.

36:13

um, number six, Sy

36:15

Intel versus Ante Valiant.

36:22

I wanted to hear Liam talk about, uh, how he

36:24

thought s she was a super great tech to play at a major

36:26

tournament, uh, coming out this cup.

36:29

Yeah. No, I, I think that deck is good. Um,

36:34

I don't, I like, I

36:37

can't imagine actually playing it 'cause it doesn't have a real

36:39

drawing engine. Artillery is terrible. Like

36:41

it, it's terrible. But I.

36:45

Um, I mean, like it, it has

36:47

like a solid matchup spread. If you know in

36:50

that like lost Giratina of fashion, you just assume

36:52

that with like the worst engine in format, you hit

36:54

everything you need every turn. It's got like

36:56

a pretty solid matchup spread But

36:58

you know, you go

37:00

on artillery for like Corina

37:03

for three and that's your turn, bro.

37:08

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. In theory,

37:10

it seems really strong. I do think it'll

37:12

do better than anti valiant. I've

37:14

played a bit of anti valiant the last couple

37:16

of days, and like I

37:19

told, I told these guys, like I had a game where

37:21

I played against guard Devore, where I

37:24

Literally took three prizes before they

37:26

got their second turn. And I

37:28

still almost lost. Like I just, I couldn't

37:30

even believe that. I still almost lost that

37:32

game. Uh, and I kind of took

37:35

that as a evidence

37:37

that maybe this deck isn't that great, if

37:39

you can go up three six before

37:42

they play their second turn and

37:44

still can lose, not

37:47

I, I'm trying to think. I know there've been some other decks

37:49

like this, but like, it feels like the

37:51

decks where the first couple of prizes are easy and

37:54

the, it's like, like you'd

37:56

like it to be the. Other way,

37:58

Yeah. Yeah. Which

38:00

there, there's definitely a history of people playing decks

38:02

like that, right?

38:03

Yeah. And Charar is kind of the other way,

38:05

right? Like the last couple prizes for jars

38:07

art are significantly easier, uh,

38:10

than the first couple.

38:12

I mean, that, that's what, that's what all the

38:13

I still feel like.

38:14

right? They're like, just gonna body

38:16

up those last couple prizes be so easy.

38:19

All you gotta do is figure out how to not how to survive

38:21

the first three or four turns.

38:23

Yeah. What

38:25

were you saying? Them.

38:27

I do. I, I think chars are like,

38:30

the first prizes feel hard because you don't

38:32

want hit anything. The last prizes feel

38:34

hard because, you know, at that point, like

38:36

the game is going so fast, you know what I'm saying? Like

38:38

everybody's fully set up. Um, you're

38:40

just like swinging Blowns, but like, you know, charge

38:43

art is no disruption. It has no way to like do

38:45

anything, bro. It's just, it's just hitting and

38:47

like the last couple prizes are easy, but

38:49

like, you know, every, everybody knows those turns have

38:52

been coming for like, you know, five turns and

38:54

they've been preparing the whole time and you're like, you

38:56

know, get to the end of the game and you're like, all I

38:58

can do is swing, pray I win.

39:01

It's terrible.

39:02

All right. The last one on Benji's

39:05

List is a funny one. Chi

39:07

Pow versus Cloth Apparently

39:10

Chi Pow and Cloth are the same tier.

39:14

I'm taking cough.

39:16

Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's the craziest

39:18

thing is I knew Liam was gonna say the

39:21

answer is

39:22

Yeah. Yep.

39:24

how the mighty have fallen. Geez. I mean,

39:26

we, this used to be like a 10 podcast.

39:29

Yeah.

39:30

Caden has finals and all of a sudden we end up just

39:33

like putting 'em at the bottom of the uh, barrel.

39:35

It's rough.

39:36

I think we gotta go find that Jake Tweet where he was

39:38

gassing up chimp out hands. So.

39:41

and looking at the comments on Benji's

39:44

thing, everybody else has chosen cloth

39:46

over chi as well. uh,

39:51

that is too funny. Um,

39:55

so yeah, I'm excited to see what uh happens

39:57

there. I don't know how much that

40:00

will affect the San Antonio Metagame.

40:02

I'm sure it will a little bit. Um,

40:06

but you know, with only a week, uh,

40:09

it, you know, there's kind of been a few weeks between

40:12

LAIC and, and the Poland, Australia.

40:14

And so people have been reine

40:16

based on that. And now

40:19

with only a week between Stu

40:22

Gart and San Antonio,

40:24

I feel like there's not quite enough time to like

40:26

fully switch. Like I know a bunch of the

40:28

local Philly players, they pretty much know

40:30

what they're playing and they're not gonna switch. Uh,

40:33

so.

40:35

I just, I don't get the impression. Like, so

40:37

many people went to the Poland tournament, but I

40:39

don't feel like I've seen the same amount of like Ook

40:42

or Fook or Fook or tweets,

40:44

uh uh, coming. Like, are those gonna happen

40:46

in the next two or three days, or is do you think everybody's

40:48

going? Or like,

40:50

are the good players gonna be there? So people look

40:52

and they say, oh yeah, that is the best deck.

40:55

Yeah, it's a good question. Uh,

40:57

it's possible that Stu Art had

40:59

a much smaller cap. I'm not sure. Like

41:02

Poland was pretty big. Poland was like a thousand players,

41:04

Yeah. And

41:07

that's, if it turns out that this is like a 700 person tournament

41:10

people, I think people are gonna look and say, eh, you,

41:14

if you can only win a 700 person tournament.

41:17

Yeah. I,

41:20

I don't know. I think every, every major event,

41:23

all the, all the grinders are gonna be there, bro.

41:26

They're, they're always, they're always going. Everything,

41:29

Yeah. Well that's why I'm surprised. I feel like I haven't, I

41:31

haven't heard grinders. Getting

41:34

ready to go,

41:35

yeah.

41:35

maybe, maybe it's just too early in the week, but it's

41:37

not. It's not too early in the week. Right.

41:41

Doesn't matter. They're going be

41:48

there.

41:50

Anything else guys?

41:51

Um,

41:51

an easy week.

41:53

yeah. I mentioned right

41:55

before the pod, I've been posting some

41:58

old promo cards that I have, uh,

42:00

for sale over on Facebook, Burbank

42:03

Pokegear, if anybody is interested

42:05

in checking them out. I've been posting like a couple every

42:07

week. Um, so

42:11

if you're interested in like old

42:13

So, so is there a revenue optimization strategy

42:15

there, Mike?

42:17

Uh, not really. I

42:19

just.

42:20

Like, is there a reason you're going there instead of eBay

42:22

or TCG player or something like that?

42:24

Oh, um, well,

42:28

it's just easier. It's less, uh,

42:31

less time like posting the listings and

42:33

'cause like on eBay, you have to post everything individually.

42:35

This, I can just take a picture of like five or six cards at

42:38

a time and be like, Hey, I

42:40

want to sell these for this

42:43

price, but I'm flexible. And, uh.

42:47

It's been, it's been fairly easy so far. I

42:50

do think, like eventually for the things I don't

42:52

sell, I will put them on eBay.

42:55

Uh, but I wanted to do this first. I

42:57

also like think I, I probably reach more

43:00

people that I think, uh,

43:04

will appreciate the cards, if that makes sense.

43:07

That's fair. Like eBay, they actually have to go look for

43:09

the cards here. You're like, you're

43:12

like bringing the cards to them.

43:13

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I

43:15

know for a fact I've already sold a couple to,

43:17

like, people that I like

43:20

are not looking to just buy and resell the cards.

43:22

They're, they want them for their collection

43:24

and it's like, I know. I know. They're going to

43:26

good hands. Which is a nice feeling too.

43:30

Uh, I also wanna touch on one other thing about the

43:32

meta really quick, um, which is that going

43:35

into tournaments, I, I think it's been

43:37

this way for the last few months and for

43:39

some reason people wanna do it every single tournament, and I get

43:41

it, it's because guard divorce hard to beat, but. You

43:44

should not go into this tournament losing de Gardevoir.

43:47

Don't play Charizard. Don't play lost Giratina.

43:50

Don't play Mew. Don't play Roaring

43:52

Moon, don't play Lost Box. All

43:55

of those decks are bad. Like you, you just

43:57

should not go in losing de Gardevoir or don't play Snorlax

43:59

also like you. Don't

44:03

tell yourself it's okay to lose, to guard Devore if your

44:05

other matchups are good, that that's wrong.

44:07

Guard. Guard DeVore's, the BAF. You shouldn't

44:09

lose to it like you play guard devore.

44:11

Find something that's not like terribly unfavor

44:13

into it. Don't just go on losing to

44:15

it. That's terrible idea.

44:17

I, I'm, I'm trying to figure out what kind of meta manipulation

44:19

that is. I'm like, what deck? If

44:21

they don't play those seven decks,

44:23

because. want,

44:28

like everybody keeps wanting to play Los Giratina and Char Art

44:30

and Mew and like all of these decks

44:32

that just like loose to Gardevoir, but they're like, ah, maybe

44:34

I can like squeak out my matchup spread against like

44:36

everything else, but like, just don't

44:39

lose to guard Devore, dude. Like it's, it's

44:41

the BEIF. Everybody knows Guard. DeVore's gonna be good. Everybody

44:43

knows Gardevoir is gonna do well. Everybody knows Gardevoir

44:45

is gonna be there. You wanna lose to it anyway. Like,

44:48

what is that?

44:49

Well, I mean, you already said Mariah on is as

44:51

it turns out, 50 50. So like you

44:53

can't play Mariah on either. What, what can you play? Is

44:55

there any deck left?

44:56

You could play the mirror, you could play, you play

44:58

ride on, take the 50 50, but

45:01

like, you shouldn't have your opponent flip

45:03

over a routes and be like, oh man, I

45:05

can't believe it, bro. I didn't think I was gonna hit this today. I'm

45:07

so unlucky, bro. My tournament's over, ugh. It's a route

45:11

Cooked. Cooked

45:13

Well, I, uh, to,

45:16

I definitely agree and disagree to

45:18

some extent. Like, I think it's fine to

45:20

take like a 40, 60 to guard or

45:23

I just wouldn't go into the event like playing,

45:27

I don't know what deck has a much worse matchup than 40,

45:29

60.

45:29

Yeah, like s is.

45:32

Okay, sure. Snorlax Yeah.

45:35

That's not something I would play, but like, but like

45:37

Mew, like Mew isn't that bad

45:39

in a gardy. Like

45:41

it's not that bad.

45:43

It's pretty terrible, bro. It, no, yeah. No, it's

45:45

terrible. It's terrible. I, I think that's like 80 20

45:47

for Gardevoir. Like No, it,

45:49

it's, it's terrible. It's, it's terrible. They

45:52

have like 17 and a half years and with Counter

45:54

Catcher now they, the guard EX like,

45:57

always takes two prizes on the Genex. Like, like

46:00

got screen tail too, like Yeah.

46:03

Ups. Terrible. Like, what? What's

46:05

good about that matchup?

46:07

Well, I do think it's much like

46:10

the Fusion is much better in into Guardi. 'cause

46:12

they have Las City, they have Ice

46:13

The fusion's better.

46:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Dtt

46:17

MU Yeah. Is pretty bad integrated. Yeah. I, I,

46:19

I agree with that. Um. But

46:21

like fusion can go like, yeah, yeah.

46:23

But fusion's a bad deck.

46:26

Yeah. Like, oh my God, bro. Fusion's

46:28

like, you lose all the past, bro. Like

46:31

they just do whatever they want to, and when they do whatever they want to,

46:33

you lose.

46:34

Yeah. But you can, like if you lost cities, couple,

46:36

couple boys and they don't get a mirage step off

46:38

like, and you could win

46:40

Yep.

46:42

Yep.

46:43

Matchup for Guardian should be beyond. I

46:45

hope they.

46:48

Sure. I mean, I agree, like,

46:50

uh, to some extent I agree. Like it'd

46:52

be really, it'd

46:54

be really hard to convince me to not bring

46:57

Gardevoir to an event, like

46:59

a major event because it's, it's

47:01

just, it's just very well-rounded, very

47:05

powerful. All

47:08

right, you heard it here. First

47:10

guard DeVores winning Stu

47:12

Kart and San Antonio.

47:16

Uh, I dunno when, but you

47:18

know. That's, it's

47:20

I mean, apparently it could lose to a, uh,

47:23

Urshifu in the final round. I just out of

47:25

nowhere.

47:26

true.

47:26

yeah, like there's like random decks

47:28

that could just like match a brute all their, their way

47:30

through the entire event. Of course. But,

47:33

you know, Gar Gardevoir

47:35

such a minor tournament. Be easy to high roll.

47:38

I, I think everybody knows Gardevoir ISS the best I can format. Like,

47:40

it just, it just has like the most options, the

47:42

versatility, the most raw power, like. It's,

47:45

it is just like the most cohesive deck and format and

47:47

everything else is just like you're playing and

47:49

you're like, ick bro. I'm playing 15

47:51

energy and like, you know, my deck

47:53

just like does not draw cards. And I pray

47:56

to God to set up an attack or each turn and

47:58

then like, you know, I'm getting counter catcher eye

48:00

on no screen tail. My whole board murdered

48:03

and like somehow have to be okay.

48:06

Not okay. Just play Guardi Gore. That's

48:08

fine.

48:09

All right. I think that's it.

48:12

All the John Pauls are our outro guys. Another

48:14

podcast in the books in

48:17

uh, a real internet connection.

48:19

We're the science of the

48:22

present, Look ahead, we gotta

48:24

give meaning to life, When

48:27

you talk to me, I

48:29

listen, Stare straight ahead, trying

48:31

to pretend, I got something

48:34

to say, but I'm telling

48:36

you, Otherwise my mind is

48:39

just a little mellow. I'm

48:41

a beast and I awaken

48:43

you, don't make fun of

48:45

me, tipsy till three, Now

48:47

I'm drunk, naked, and hanging

48:49

from a tree, Found it

48:51

on a chest, a carpet

48:53

on the leaves, but, Where

48:55

you wear your hats, I'm

48:57

charming, You can make a

48:59

name, start bombing, Put the

49:01

crocs in the ground, I'm gonna

49:03

raise them up, Build a roof up

49:06

above, I'm gonna raise it up, Yeah,

49:08

I'm drunk I've got two

49:10

arms, wanna pick em

49:13

up. I've got two

49:15

legs, I'll teach em

49:17

how to jump. I've

49:19

got two legs, I'll

49:22

teach em how to

49:24

jump it. I'm in

49:26

the zone for sleepless

49:28

nights. I'm in the

49:31

zone for sleepless nights.

49:33

It is what it

49:35

is. It is what

49:37

it is. Yeah,

49:42

that's

49:45

what

49:48

it's

49:51

called.

49:54

We

49:58

just

50:01

call

50:04

it