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Cittalia. Hello
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and welcome to season 11 of the
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Travel Diaries podcast. I'm your host Holly
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Rubinstein and here each week I'll be
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speaking to a very special guest or
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in this case, very special guests about
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the different chapters of their life's travel
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diaries from the first place they fell
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in love with and the place where
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they learned the most about themselves to
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their hidden gem and what's at the
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top of their travel bucket list. We'll
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be uncovering their adventures around the world
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and the travel experiences and destinations that
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have shaped their lives. Oh, well, it's
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great to be back for a brand
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new season. I'll be joining you for the
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the podcast. It has been
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so great hearing about the places
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that you've been travelling to since
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we last spoke. Thank you for
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all your messages on Instagram and
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Twitter and TikTok. Speaking of Instagram
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actually, I am running my biggest
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competition yet this week over on
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my account at Holly Rubenstein, giving
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you the chance to win a
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stay in a three-bedroom apartment at
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one of my all-time favourite places
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to visit in the UK. The
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Lakes By You in the beautiful
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Cotswolds. I'm
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so excited about this. You've got a week to
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enter. Make sure you check it out for the
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chance to win a trip of a lifetime. I've
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been away as well. At the start of the
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year I was really grateful
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to tick a destination off my bucket
2:52
list and headed to the
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Dolomites, which is a destination that's come
2:56
up loads on the podcast. I remember
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Michael Palin picking it as one of
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his favourite places and although I'm not
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a skier, my husband Alex says, I
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knew that I would want
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to see the spectacular scenery and
3:09
be in the beautiful mountain environment
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and it completely lived up
3:14
to my expectations and more and proved to
3:16
me that you really don't actually need to
3:18
be a skier to have an incredible holiday
3:20
in the mountains. We stayed in
3:22
two different areas. The second I'll be
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talking about on next week's Family Travel
3:26
Special of the podcast because it was
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a hotel that was designed specifically with
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children in mind. But this week I
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just wanted to tell you a little
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bit about my experience staying in Val
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Gardina on the Alpe di Smithi, one
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of Europe's most extensive high altitude plateaus.
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Absolutely spectacular part of the Dolomites.
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We stayed at a hotel called
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Como Alpina Dolomites, which was
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quickly anointed into the all-time
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favorites list. I mean architecturally
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as a first impression it
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is spectacular. Give it a Google
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Como Alpina Dolomites. It's this
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circular modernist building which is enveloped
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in these like really dramatic wooden
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arches which mimic the mountains that
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surround it and it's extremely
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striking like something from a Bond movie. It
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took ski and ski out to a whole
4:14
new level. Our room was directly next to
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a piece and I would
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literally be like in the bath or sitting
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on the bed and see these skiers whizzing
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past the window including
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my husband who said that the skiing was some
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of the best he'd ever experienced by the way
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because it's part of the Dolomite super ski area.
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But yeah, it was such a thrill to see
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all these skiers go by and for
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me it was really one of those
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rare gem hotels that felt truly spoiling
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and chic, stunning interiors, a vast spa
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you know for many Komo, the Komo
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brand there are other Komo hotels is
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first and foremost a spa brand and
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it was really big here and there
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was an indoor outdoor pool looking over
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the mountains. I loved being in that
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like toasty warm water surrounded by snow,
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but while being all of those things
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it also really catered to families and
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there was a lovely kids club they
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provided all the gear that you'd need. There was
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a playground there with one of the best fees
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ever and an adorable ski school just
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outside for tiny. So it's one
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to add to your travel bucket
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list for sure and to me
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certainly I've also had lots of people
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come on the podcast and talk about the Alps in
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the summer and it would be a
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place that I would love to go back to for
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that because it is part of that big
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plateau, that big meadowy plateau that's so high.
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The hiking and the biking and the scenery
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there would just be amazing.
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So thank you Komo, our peanut Dolomites
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for having us. It was a very
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memorable stay. Okay, let's get on to
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today's guests. Kicking off the season, we
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are joined by a dazzling
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duo who are set to waltz
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their way into your hearts. Stars
5:50
have strictly come dancing and heading
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into a second season of their
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much-loved travel show Anton and Giovanni's
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Adventures. It is none other than
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Anton Dubéc. and Giovanni Panice.
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I spoke to Anton and Gio
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in London a couple of weeks
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ago in person at a dance
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studio which was
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like something out of fame. It was
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like all these sprawling little rooms filled
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with people singing and whooping and there
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was like music blaring from every corner.
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So if you hear the odd vocal warm up
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or some little echoey bits in the
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background, that is why it wasn't
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my normal setup. But it was
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so fun to meet them both.
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You'll instantly get a feel for
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their cheeky energy and the banter
6:35
they have between them. Their friendship
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is just so visible and lovely.
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I've watched Strictly since season one. I don't know
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about you guys, but can you believe that was 20
6:44
years ago? 20 years crazy.
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And Anton's been a part of the show
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since the very beginning. He's a seasoned dance
6:51
floor veteran first as a contestant and now
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as a judge over the last few years.
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And then Giovanni entered with a
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bang back in 2015, reaching the
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final three times and then winning
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with EastEnders actress Rose Ailing Ellis
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in 2021. Of course that really
7:08
memorable season and from Strictly, you
7:10
know, these guys are absolutely nonstop with
7:12
their own individual tours and joint tours,
7:14
Anton's writing books and of course Strictly
7:17
tours as well. And because there are
7:19
two of them, you know, I don't
7:21
normally do paired interviews. Actually,
7:24
the only other one I've done was
7:26
with the lovely Harry Biker's. So sad
7:28
about Dave Myers passing. What a lovely
7:30
man. Such an infectious energy and one
7:33
of my favorite episodes. But
7:35
because there were two of them today, I
7:37
didn't cover all seven chapters. I managed to
7:39
squeeze in six. So we'll have to find
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a time to do a sequel sometime and
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find out the first place that they fell
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in love with Zed. But
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with Anton being, you know, half
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Spanish and half Hungarian and Giovanni
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being Italian growing up in Sicily, travel
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has obviously played a really important part of both
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of their lives. And I really hope you have
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a lovely day. with us on
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this one. Let's use my seatbelts
8:04
and get started. Giofaro
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Benice, Anton de
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Bech. Welcome to the Travel Diaries
8:14
podcast, it is amazing to see
8:16
you both, how are you? Very
8:19
very, we're delighted to be
8:22
here because we were talking the other
8:24
day when we have a coffee and
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I said to you what do you want to
8:29
do? And they say a podcast. Which one I
8:31
said and you said to me I want to
8:33
do the Travel Diaries and
8:36
I said we've never been asked and you went I'm
8:38
so disappointed. We're delighted to be here, thank you for
8:40
having us. Thank you my biggest
8:43
fan clearly. Obviously. We've
8:45
got a lot to cover today guys because we're going
8:47
through the six chapters of
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your life travel diaries but
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because you've travelled together a
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lot, some of them are going to be individual and some of them
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are going to be your joint chapters.
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So I'm really excited
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to uncover some of the destinations that
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have shaped your life. Let's
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kick off with chapter one. We're going to
9:09
picture, it's a rainy downside, we're going
9:11
to probably picture some lovely sunny lines.
9:13
Just for a change. We'll kick
9:16
off with you. Go ahead. Chapter
9:18
one is your earliest childhood travel
9:20
memory. What would that be? Oh
9:22
I remember when, well travel, we
9:25
say travel but it's very very
9:28
close to where I live. Actually
9:31
I told you this story with the women
9:33
in Sicily, Shaka. I used to remember all
9:35
gone holidays with my parents for the carnival
9:37
over there. It used to be a massive
9:39
massive deal for us going to the carnival
9:41
in Shaka which is only an hour and
9:43
a half really from where I live. But
9:46
I remember the whole family getting
9:48
together and trying to
9:50
find a costume to wear
9:52
for carnival and preparing was
9:56
a massive massive deal for us. And
9:58
you travelled a lot around the world. around Sicily,
10:00
obviously your home island, and then
10:02
you took Anton there. What
10:05
was it like taking your best pal over
10:07
to your homeland? Potentially the best thing I've
10:09
ever done in my entire life. Oh, love.
10:12
I mean, what's the success in every single
10:14
possible way? I showed my best friend when
10:16
I was born and raised and
10:19
had fun together and got paid for
10:21
it. So... He's a
10:23
better... All better. I
10:26
mean, Sicily's had a bit of a tourism renaissance,
10:28
and it has in it because of White Lotus,
10:31
the White Lotus effect, and everyone is flocking
10:33
there. Oh, is it? What are
10:35
you talking about? Yeah, and you guys, of course. I'm
10:37
lotus. So what's your favorite
10:39
destination within Sicily, would you say?
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I do like, obviously, when I'm from Palermo,
10:43
but also like Tormino. Tormino was nice. We
10:46
call it the Central Bay of Sicily. There's
10:48
everything in there, literally. Everything,
10:50
it's a very, very remarkable place
10:52
if you want to go on
10:55
holidays, because the
10:57
beach is beautiful, because there's
10:59
a lot of luxury and the views, well,
11:01
the views when you're there was distracted because
11:03
I was looking at you all the way.
11:05
Oh, I'm blind. Yeah, I'm only human. But
11:07
I think Tormino and Palermo was the best
11:10
place to go in Sicily. So you do these kind of
11:12
road trips around the island with your family? Oh,
11:15
yeah, kind of. You know,
11:17
it's very small, Sicily. It's
11:19
very small. So once you've
11:21
done two or three times, you don't repeat
11:23
yourself. Yeah. So we were trying
11:26
to go a bit north with the family. By
11:29
now, you see, now I'm getting a bit older. I
11:31
want to go back to the roots myself. And I
11:33
realized that actually Sicily is a beautiful part of the
11:35
world. So we'll have to explore a bit more of
11:37
that. And how about you, Anton? Because
11:40
I know that kind of long, long drive,
11:42
long road trips also featured in your summer
11:44
holidays. Well, when we were young,
11:46
we used to summer. Sounds very glamorous,
11:48
doesn't it? Because my mum's
11:50
Spanish, my father's Hungarian. We would go back to the
11:52
family. So
11:56
we would, but we would drive. So
11:58
we would drive for two days across. Europe,
12:00
so we'd get the ferry over to
12:02
Calais and then in the car and
12:05
off we'd go, we'd drive either to
12:07
northern Spain in Galicia or across to,
12:09
down to Hungary. So that was
12:12
our summers. Yeah, that's a long
12:14
way to go. Long way. And
12:16
you and your siblings, like, all packed from the back of the car.
12:18
Yeah, but it was my sister and I at the time. But,
12:21
you know, old cars, like, you
12:23
know, no air conditioning. No seat belts, no air conditioning, wind
12:28
the window down. So, and we'd sleep
12:30
in the car and no luck from
12:32
the hotels and stuff. Sleep in the
12:34
car. Would you look forward to it?
12:36
Not massively. No, it'd be nice when
12:39
you got there. It seems
12:41
exciting now. It seems sort of romantic
12:43
now that you jump in a car
12:45
and you drive. I mean, imagine just
12:47
getting in the car and driving from
12:50
here to Spain or to South France
12:52
in a nice open-top, something nice.
12:54
No, in a voxel Viva. Some of the
12:56
romance is lost. And
12:59
did you prefer going to Hungary or
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Spain? Well, you know, interesting.
13:03
Spain was better because we
13:05
had the seaside. We had
13:07
late Baraton in Hungary, but
13:09
that wasn't where we'd have to, that
13:12
wasn't where my father came from. He came
13:14
from the countryside. So it was
13:16
very rural. Both of them were very
13:18
rural parts of the world. But in
13:21
Spain, very different as well.
13:23
Oh man. But the Spain
13:25
was closer to the seaside. So we would go to
13:28
the seaside, spend a lot of time at the seaside.
13:30
Lovely. And then this time
13:33
that you spent in Spain
13:35
obviously inspired your forthcoming series.
13:38
All set in Spain. So it's a
13:40
good opportunity for you to tell
13:42
us a little bit about what we can expect.
13:44
Oh, you can expect anything and more from
13:46
that really. I mean, the most
13:49
important thing was the fact that
13:51
we were together. But what we
13:53
explore in Spain was not just
13:55
the beautiful places and the weather,
13:57
which was incredible, but food. Food
13:59
does well. well. And
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we had also sort of fun
14:04
activities together, water
14:06
sports. Water sports. We're great at water
14:09
sports. You are not actually great at
14:11
water sports. I say great. I
14:13
respect you both to be because you're very nimble. Well,
14:15
no, we are nimble. And
14:17
we try once, I tell you what, we try
14:19
and see, we try to put a board. Paddle
14:21
boarding. And that one didn't go
14:23
very well. So, so clever people. I
14:26
don't know what paddle boarding is like to
14:28
go through because I never managed to get
14:30
on a board or paddle. Which you might
14:32
think would be fine for us because we
14:34
are dancers. Yeah, it doesn't work that way
14:36
too. No, it didn't. So we took a
14:38
lot of people, we tried putting a boarding
14:40
in Sicily, it didn't work. So we tried
14:42
to do again something else in Spain. And
14:44
that one didn't work either. Oh, did you do this
14:46
one? We did attempt
14:48
to surf. Surfing. Surfing. How
14:50
do you try before? No.
14:54
No, and it didn't go well. Where
14:57
in Spain were you trying that? Not that. Where
14:59
have you gone? North, north. In Balbac. In
15:01
Balbac, which is known for its surf. Yeah. So you
15:03
were going to go like one of the surfing capitals
15:05
of Europe. And one of the nudist
15:07
beaches of Europe. Yeah, surfing on
15:09
the nudist beach? Yeah. That's what we did. Well, we
15:11
surfed. That's why you didn't stay on the boards
15:14
too long because you toppled off. Too
15:17
much distraction. Who
15:20
stayed on longest? Well, I don't know because neither
15:22
of us got on it. Yeah,
15:25
let's really say. It's it
15:31
was super. It's a lovely.
15:33
Do you know what was really fun about Spain
15:35
and doing the trip in Spain? Was
15:38
that we did. We managed
15:41
to get up to where my mum comes
15:43
from and that part of in Galicia and
15:45
had a look around there and my family
15:47
came over and my mum came over and
15:49
we took Giovanni across there and showed all
15:51
that sort of stuff, which was lovely. But
15:55
the other interesting part was
15:57
that we went and visited sort of a lot
15:59
of undiscovered scene
16:01
that you know the touristy bit we
16:04
didn't really do well apart from one touristy bit we
16:07
started in Sevilla which is a
16:10
beautiful city so that
16:12
was a lot of fun and then we went across and
16:15
we went to Rhonda Rhonda and Granada
16:17
Madrid and we went up to Madrid
16:20
and up to Bilbao so that's the
16:22
best view. It was a really comprehensive
16:24
tour anyway. As we were
16:26
going across to Rhonda and Granada
16:29
we dipped into another sunny
16:33
part by the sea.
16:38
It was an experience.
16:41
It was less Spanish than my
16:43
mother. I would say I renamed
16:45
it the Dubai of Spain. The
16:49
Dubai of Spain. L'opéndant,
16:51
my water. Do you have
16:53
any full English's while you were there? Oh,
16:56
youicking it back more than bal revenues for?
16:58
We did have a lot of English. And
17:05
Galicia where your mom is from, yeah tell me a bit about that. It's
17:09
very very green, very leafy.
17:11
themefery very sunny sort
17:13
of quite it's
17:17
very lush. The food is incredible up
17:19
there, the produce is much. I think
17:22
it's the sort of number
17:24
one part of Spain for food and
17:26
produce. Yeah, actually we discovered that we
17:28
discovered the father we start from the south
17:30
and the food was getting better and
17:32
better. Better than the north of Spain.
17:35
In Spain, yeah. And
17:37
then turns back to Spain. It's
17:39
just the best. Do you know
17:42
the number one restaurant in the
17:44
world from a period of for
17:48
about 10 years, for 10 years,
17:50
so 8 out of 10 11
17:52
years the number one restaurant in
17:54
the world was El Bulli in Spain. Just
17:56
north of Bazaa, so towards and north of
17:59
Spain. It shut
18:01
down, it's become a food sort of school
18:03
if you like. But it was the number
18:05
one of all the cuisines around the world.
18:07
Yeah. And when it
18:09
wasn't that, El Soler de Canoroca in
18:11
Girona was... Girona, yeah, Girona, Spina
18:14
Zor. She said
18:16
that fantastically. I tried to
18:18
employ my Spanish A-level accent.
18:20
Tugo de Española? Yeah. Ooo,
18:23
porquito. Eso porquito. Eso
18:25
porquito. Eso porquito. Chavita. C'est
18:28
la ronde. Hey, gracias. And that's about it.
18:30
La ronde. Well, actually speaking about being learned,
18:32
Chapter 2 is the place where you guys
18:35
learnt the
18:42
most about yourselves. I want to ask
18:44
this separately. This place will be
18:47
back to my adolescence. Are we talking about that
18:49
or something else? Whenever
18:51
you had a profound moment. Well, I've had a
18:53
lot of that. Profound moment for me
18:55
was when I moved to Bologna actually. When I was
18:57
14 years old and I left home and
18:59
I went to Bologna to carry on dancing.
19:02
And that was the only time when I was living by myself. So
19:05
when you're a little teenager really and
19:08
you get to live by yourself is
19:11
the time when you really grow
19:13
up and get to learn more about yourself, you
19:15
get to learn about what you need in life.
19:18
So that was my profound moment as you
19:20
called it. Yeah.
19:22
I'd read that you left home at 14.
19:24
I mean, it's incredibly young. What
19:28
gave you that kind of incentive, that determination? I
19:30
mean, obviously I know it was to move to
19:32
dance. But
19:34
how did you have that certainty that you knew
19:36
that that was the right thing to do? And
19:39
Sicily is a very small island. So there's not much
19:41
going on there. And I wanted
19:44
to carry on to follow my dreams and
19:47
look around and see what Sicily
19:49
can give me, I think, opportunities.
19:52
And we're not much there. So
19:55
I just spoke to the family. Mum and
19:57
Dad always been supportive and they were supporting
19:59
me financially. and we all took the decision and the
20:02
third happened. It was 20 years
20:04
ago. When did you move to,
20:06
you went from Sicily to Bologna?
20:09
Yes. And who did you stay with in Bologna? On
20:11
my own. Did you stay with your own?
20:13
And you had a partner or did you? No, no, no, just on my own.
20:16
As a parent, I mean that seems like a good
20:18
thing. I can't imagine it, no, as a parent
20:20
I can't imagine it. I think about my, I think
20:22
about me at 14, I could not. I only just
20:24
started dancing. You say that, but if George
20:27
or Raua, what's her year? Dad,
20:29
I really want to do this. You will be
20:31
the first person who will support your kids. You
20:35
would be the person who would say, right,
20:38
okay, let's talk about this and we're
20:41
going to find a solution. Because if it's that way you
20:43
want to do, you personally, knowing
20:45
you, you will be the person who
20:47
really will make all of this
20:49
happen. So it's a difficult thought, but you will
20:51
be the person who will make that. It's an
20:53
extraordinary thing. I think about me. And it was the
20:55
right thing to do? It was the right thing to do? Oh, wait a minute.
20:58
Look at him now. Exactly, like you've done no
21:00
regrets. No regrets, actually I was very,
21:02
very, very lucky. I was very lucky to
21:04
take the decision really, to be honest. And
21:07
I was grateful to my parents to give me
21:09
the opportunity and the chance to... That independence. Very
21:11
bright. Yeah, that independence. And am I
21:13
right in thinking, Gio, that you used
21:16
to watch the original Strictly Come Dancing, Come
21:18
Dancing, and that kind of was what inspired
21:20
you to get to dance with me? The
21:22
old Come Dancing. We're in the lovely Angela
21:24
Reepan, yeah. Oh, yeah. I used to watch
21:26
all of it, and I did love the
21:29
sequence and the dance and the chemistry between the boys
21:31
and the girls. And I was like, oh, this
21:33
is like what I have to do for the rest of my life. And,
21:36
you know, and let's say... I never wanted to
21:38
be under control. Never go back. Yeah.
21:40
Never go back. Yeah, I mean, how then incredible
21:43
was it then when you kind of made it? It
21:45
was a proud moment, obviously.
21:48
But you say you made it, but I
21:50
don't think I still have made it anything.
21:52
You know, you live life every day as
21:54
you come. And,
21:58
you know, for me, it's not... live my
22:00
life not having regrets because you
22:02
know I always say the regrets that we have
22:04
today are the chances that we never took and
22:07
that's true it's true it really is true I
22:12
had today with the chance
22:14
I never took in Jockin
22:17
Zoo that's the
22:19
name of my show wow
22:23
jump about a strap line for
22:25
a show but it's
22:28
true we all should live our life
22:30
at full yes you know and take
22:32
chances and opportunities and that
22:34
chance of opportunity come to me and I took it you
22:36
never want to be lying
22:38
on your deathbed at the end of your life and somebody
22:40
says to you do you wish you'd tried a bit harder
22:43
you want to be able to go no no I couldn't
22:45
have tried any harder I tried my best yeah
22:47
all the time yeah there was no I
22:50
was redlining it every single minute of the day
22:52
there is no and to be
22:54
fair trying to get this interview in the diary
22:56
I know that you guys are doing that because
22:58
you are non-stop at the moment well that sounds
23:01
false to be honest because I always look after
23:03
him actually look at him
23:05
I say Romordo and he doesn't have a day
23:07
off so I said I have to be like
23:09
him because remember the regrets they have today are
23:12
the chances that we never took never took
23:15
and that's exactly how I
23:17
feel with that in mind then Adron, what's
23:20
the place where you learnt the most about yourself would
23:22
you say I had
23:24
a profound moment, well profound two strong words
23:27
really but I did have a moment in
23:29
Paris and
23:33
I was doing a competition in Paris
23:35
we did the French
23:37
national championship and
23:39
we did horribly like
23:44
awfully right down about they
23:46
did a thing called a repashage so what happens is you
23:49
do the first round of competition, it works like you do
23:51
a first round of competition and
23:53
then a bunch of people get through so they
23:55
don't have to dance again and then
23:57
they select a number of people have to dance
23:59
again in order to sort of
24:01
top up the ones that got through. So
24:04
if there were, let's
24:06
say there were 20 people, they
24:08
got 15 through, and then the rest
24:10
had to dance again for those five
24:12
extra places. They call it a
24:14
repashage. I didn't think for a
24:16
second that I wouldn't be all the way through into
24:19
the next round, and then onwards into the round after
24:21
that, and on we go to the final. I
24:23
end up in the repashage with my partner. With
24:26
Aaron? I think it
24:28
might have been with Aaron. In the early days of
24:30
Aaron. I was, I didn't know what to do. I
24:32
was so stunned by this. It
24:34
felt like a career-ending moment.
24:37
You know, I'm not sure it was him. I've
24:39
been before Aaron. But things weren't going to go
24:42
well. It wasn't, the doubt of the
24:44
task, terribly, the results have been awful. It's all
24:46
terrible. I didn't have a penny
24:48
to my name. I'm in Paris,
24:50
I'm lying in a bath. This bath
24:53
is the length of this table. It's
24:55
not even a full-sized bath. I'm lying
24:57
in this bath. My legs are up
24:59
against the wall. I'm having the,
25:02
and even the bath is too small for me.
25:04
This is a metaphor for
25:06
my life. It's all
25:08
horrendous. This is a disaster.
25:11
Everything was awful. And
25:13
I had this conversation myself. I went, what
25:16
is it that I'm wasting my life? This is a waste of time. I
25:18
should give this up. I said these two
25:21
voices, one of the angels on my shoulders. And
25:24
this bath. And even the water wasn't
25:26
that hot. And
25:28
I said, well, you're wasting your time. We give this
25:30
up. And then the other side went, oh, Robin, you're
25:32
gonna give it up. What are you gonna do? What
25:34
else can you do? Can I do anything
25:36
else? And I can't carry on doing
25:38
this. It's wasting my time. This is a disaster. I mean, I'm
25:41
in a repisharge. And I was like, well, you've left it a
25:43
bit late to start changing your mind now, haven't you? And
25:45
I'm having this huge internal
25:49
conflict in this half bath
25:51
of my legs up the wall with
25:54
the water going cold. And it was like a
25:56
moment where I had to either go, okay,
25:58
well, listen. give it up or
26:03
kind of harder. Yeah, you
26:05
don't have to work this out and Then
26:08
we then I came back to the UK
26:10
and thought sort of started again with
26:12
a renewed drive No, we just a route
26:15
would just I just change everything and went
26:17
okay We didn't have to do something different
26:19
here and I changed my I'm not even
26:21
sure I didn't change my partner but I changed my teachers and
26:24
Stuff, you know and then if they could see me
26:27
now So
26:30
everything changed, you know, and that was a big thing.
26:32
Yeah, that was my but it I don't know if
26:34
that was a profound moment But it was a moment
26:36
where I thought I went okay, which is quite interesting
26:38
It is absolutely and and I know you
26:41
don't like to especially dwell on the past
26:43
and I'm not going to either but you
26:45
have in terms of personal growth you have
26:47
spoken about you know having a Difficult relationship
26:49
with your father growing up and that
26:52
he had a very difficult relationship with
26:54
alcohol himself I don't think he had
26:56
a difficult relationship with alcohol. I think you had a
26:58
perfectly okay relationship It
27:00
was the relationship of him with alcohol
27:02
and me that caused the problem. Yeah,
27:04
sorry you're right But
27:09
what I did think was really Meaningful
27:12
was you you said in another interview that
27:14
it spurred you on to change your name
27:17
from Tony de Becqueville up on a council
27:19
estate to Anton de Becqueville the
27:21
showman and That
27:24
I thought well, I think that's all quite profound, but
27:26
I don't know I Okay,
27:29
that's fine. I'll move on one
27:31
thing I learned about you both during the
27:34
Sicily show was that
27:36
you are both amazing singers
27:43
We don't like to pray
27:45
so what I want to know is when is that
27:47
the joint album coming? We
27:51
don't thought about that. I think you for giving us an
27:53
idea. Yeah, please must see we come.
27:55
Yeah If
27:58
I could get a thank you in the in the
28:00
album. Yeah, and the album.
28:06
Watch this piece. We
28:09
should do that actually. Christmas, Christmas. I think we're going
28:11
Christmas cracker. Okay. Fantastic.
28:13
You've heard it here first. Anton and
28:15
Geo's Christmas cracker album. Run the fire.
28:17
Any favorite, any favorite tracks that you
28:19
dip into immediately? What are your favorites?
28:21
It was Ave Maria, wasn't it, that
28:23
we heard? It's not very Christmasy. Oh, it is
28:25
actually. It's not too bad. It's not too bad. Yeah, just
28:27
a bit of that. Yeah, I think we can do that.
28:29
Go on. No, not now. No, of course.
28:32
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
28:34
I'm not going to move up. But
28:36
I think that when you say amazing
28:38
singers, it's something that I need. The
28:40
thing is, I never had the confidence
28:44
to be on stage anything, but then we
28:46
did the shot together, me and him,
28:48
called him and me four years ago. Yeah.
28:50
Which was nominated for Olivia awards
28:53
as well. Just put
28:55
on that. Just say. Yeah. And
28:57
she's the one that said to me, give me the courage
29:00
to do it because you heard me sing in one. So
29:02
I was like, actually, it's good, it's good. And I was
29:04
like, no, come on. It's horrible. And
29:06
it's like, no, come on, come on. So
29:09
yeah. And now look at me. I'm about
29:11
to record an album, apparently. And
29:17
you're a pianist. Give me the dance.
29:19
Yeah. And a drummer as well.
29:21
And a drummer. Yeah. So you're going
29:23
to do all the music for the album as well.
29:25
Forget about the dancing. What instruments do you play, Anton?
29:28
Oh, I do the spoons. Very
29:31
good with the spoons. And the
29:33
triangle. Triangle, yes. I try on
29:35
the spoons. Rarely at the same time, though.
29:39
So you'll do the backing band. Yes, I do
29:41
the tracks. And then you can have
29:43
Dave Arch doing the recs? No,
29:46
we don't. No, we don't need any more. The guy's spoon.
29:49
The guy's triangle. That's what it is. Okay. So
29:53
we'll be on guys to chapter three. And
29:55
that is your all time favorite
29:57
destination. Oh. That's kind of the only thing
29:59
I can do. It be nice to find out
30:02
what he as a pair collectively maybe
30:04
found fence your respective trips together bad
30:06
lifted out individually also as. A good
30:08
good closer than been alive and of him
30:11
so much bus or would save time and
30:13
was a nice place to go more. Daves
30:15
was nice as well. threat to the borders
30:17
or this. I've never been to the movies
30:20
and are saying this because we should go
30:22
into animals do whatever we go together. Ladies
30:24
as so that series what's your save our
30:26
eyes on reserve said or job clutched of
30:29
butter some of them with this is it
30:31
I would pay the see in the budget
30:33
such. As
30:36
as as do others such as far as. A. Joke
30:38
a bomb? or do you have a sort of of
30:40
a bomb? Have a pay as well. Not the normal
30:42
ones, the ones that fit on of a bomb. Techs
30:46
I was above the tennis for where you. Thought
30:49
that lots of whether the things as hold
30:51
you. Feel one is
30:53
for the some or all of your
30:55
one of the was normal. But his mother's
30:57
hand he has a normal an eye on the
30:59
phone with the some known as the use some
31:01
men whose views. It
31:03
as it since. Well
31:06
since when it's on a mobile phones?
31:08
hello? And
31:14
seventy get a start employing been canopy. So what?
31:16
I like fighting by a man with. A dirty
31:18
bombs or advice if you get his
31:20
ass signal mists oh geez for smash
31:22
your bottom is most of the day
31:24
and. What about you and some what's your all
31:26
time favorite essays and. Beaches ah that's
31:28
of the season isn't Sicily was
31:31
gorgeous. Tell me there is very
31:33
nice. I. Did lotto
31:35
mean upon them as nice
31:37
Poland says. And home. as
31:40
a fetters of interest from of the
31:43
boy and. His
31:46
mistress restaurants now I'm. on
31:49
it or do i did erm with
31:51
did mama we drove down from san
31:53
francisco all the way down to as
31:55
i saw last that but i'm the
31:57
the a one they call it a
31:59
big surf, what have they called it?
32:01
The Highway 101. That's the
32:03
chaffy. And we went to Carmel.
32:06
Have you been to Carmel? I have.
32:08
From the Monterey Peninsula. Yeah, beautiful Carmel
32:10
Valley. That's very beautiful. Now we like
32:12
that. That's such an epic road trip,
32:14
isn't it? It is, it's fun, it's
32:16
nice. Yeah, it's nice. Then we went
32:18
up to the Yosemite and all that
32:20
sort of thing. But do you know
32:22
a city I love? I love London.
32:25
I have to be honest with you. I do love
32:27
London. Oh, yeah. I love London.
32:30
Paris is nice, Rome is nice. But we
32:32
can't go all around the world. Wow. Well,
32:36
I'd love to know also though, on
32:38
this forthcoming series, where was your kind
32:40
of collective favorite Spanish destination you guys
32:42
went to? I think Bellatorme, Bellatorme
32:45
is how I went. Do you remember when you
32:47
were in the house? If we have to suggest to people where to
32:50
go, we'd definitely recommend it. So, I include all
32:52
the destinations mentioned today in the episode show
32:54
notes. So, if anyone wants to buy themselves
32:56
of your recommendations, I will make sure I
32:58
recommend it. Whereas Sevilla is
33:00
nice. Sevilla. Sevilla. Sevilla.
33:03
Sevilla. Yeah, which is
33:05
Seville. It's Seville. Yeah.
33:08
And we'd be debating if the people...
33:10
Bill Bowyer. It's called civilian. We
33:12
haven't figured out yet. Because if
33:14
you live in Seville, you're basically going to
33:16
Seville. Seville, I think that's probably the case. Yeah.
33:19
What if you were Bill Bowyer? Bill Bowyer. Bill
33:22
Bowyer. But not Sean. Yeah. Did
33:25
you like Bill Bowyer? Sean Sebastian. Go there. Sean
33:27
Sebastian is beautiful. Rhonda was nice. Rhonda.
33:30
Rhonda Madrid. Well, it's all right.
33:32
It's a bit city. Yeah, well. Well,
33:34
they're all city. But for us, for both of
33:36
us. That bridge in Rhonda. The Rhonda Bridge. The
33:38
Rhonda Bridge. Yeah, I have. The Rhonda
33:40
Bridge. We attempt to take a selfie in that bridge.
33:43
Yeah. Went very well, I thought. Like a picture
33:45
of a hat. Yeah. You thought that...
33:47
Your base in the life, that's good. Yes.
33:50
Oh yes, the Rickety Bridge. The one that you were
33:52
supposed to walk along with the mountains. You like that.
33:54
You love to be a hight. When I talk about
33:56
heights. It's not happening. But I think both of us,
33:59
we... We just had
34:01
a better dormitore for it. That's
34:03
right, that's what you're going back to. Got it. Hey
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Chapter four Than guys. There is your
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hidden Chen. Said that is a
36:25
place that you love forces at. My
36:27
listeners might not know say much about.
36:33
The the stop the was like
36:35
rather would be mostly so you
36:37
could do. Better.
36:43
I think we always go around
36:45
the World series Buffy they may
36:47
have been gonna total loss due
36:49
to a little bit of have
36:51
a dog shows and movies when
36:53
when my also as a little
36:56
bit everyone on the comes as
36:58
the city that of beauty from
37:00
the employees. And co workers.
37:04
Do is Donna! The
37:09
Bush. Can
37:12
you tell me that more about why
37:14
you love? don't process the people? The
37:16
people from Northwestern. Ah. Very,
37:20
very generous. Shed very
37:23
kind and then. They're
37:26
very, very famous. I
37:28
didn't expect you to say that any.
37:31
What is it said to don't know
37:33
but I just don't Answer is very
37:35
refreshing brother to live other related. Definitive
37:40
They said he isn't. On
37:46
the web or abroad is
37:48
a with so proud of
37:50
our last Inverse is and
37:52
in Scotland Yard. Anywhere
37:55
or feels. A
37:58
bit and diseases. I don't know,
38:01
not in the UK. Yeah,
38:03
Cork is nice in Ireland. Cork,
38:05
I don't know. Cork, yes. Yeah, I
38:08
was not playing. And
38:10
then... They were very thinking. I thought
38:13
it, yeah, they're personal. It's
38:15
nice to present. It's nice to start. I
38:19
guess this is the benefit of going on all
38:21
these amazing tours, isn't it? Well, I
38:23
think it is giving you a little
38:25
venue rundown of the people in the
38:27
theatre. Yeah. And
38:30
it's not as all of those places are.
38:33
Is there somewhere... Why are you interviewing me? She's
38:35
interviewing me. No, because I've been treated as a
38:37
girl. Is there
38:39
anywhere else... Yes. That's maybe
38:42
not in the UK that
38:44
you quite like? Well, I
38:46
did love Bangkok. I
38:49
loved it, wasn't I? Is
38:51
that not you for me? Oh,
38:54
shit. Oh, fuck. Um...
39:01
Where is your jam? Where
39:03
is my jam? Yeah, where is my jam? Oh,
39:05
I see. I
39:10
have to be honest with you. I haven't got time.
39:12
I know it's rubbish. I can't think
39:14
of anywhere, really, that's a
39:17
jam. So it's been so lovely. I
39:19
think it's lovely, yeah. Which bit? To...
39:21
Coe Saint-Moury. No, that's... Coe Saint-Moury?
39:23
That's in town. I
39:26
went to the Africa, so the... Jesus, you were lost. And
39:31
you were... The Fari. Ah,
39:34
I've been to safari in South Africa.
39:36
Do you have to be? No.
39:39
No. I went to... Auckland.
39:42
I did well. I did well. I just kept out. No. Some
39:45
jams in South Africa? Yeah, South
39:47
Africa's like... I'm just trying to think of somewhere
39:49
else. I think I did like all the pictures
39:51
you did. Portofino. Ah, okay.
39:54
I found my love in
39:56
Portofino. To the very last
39:58
occasion. Thank you. about
40:00
tricky romances. What are
40:02
they to know is? Yeah. So,
40:05
it's really well-believable. Do
40:07
people acknowledge it? Do
40:10
people acknowledge it or do they... Does
40:14
everyone know it and not say it?
40:17
Intensive. Yeah, they say it early in
40:19
the day. Oh! They love these. Yeah.
40:21
Like, everyone knew that they were having
40:23
to make romantic love about it. Oh,
40:25
when you say... When you say everybody knew,
40:28
you mean you. Yeah,
40:30
sorry, I... That's not my answer. In your house.
40:32
Is that what you wanted? Yes, it is. Right,
40:34
yes, it is. I don't
40:36
think that it's anything wrong about
40:38
the strictly romance at all. It's
40:41
one of the things that, if you're funny
40:43
enough with the person you dance with, and
40:45
she's single or he's single, whatever, there's nothing
40:47
wrong with it. It's like going in the
40:49
office and turning along with the person who's
40:51
working in the same room with you. It's
40:53
just life. It's just life. Yeah, but I'm not
40:55
saying that there's anything wrong with it at all. I'm just
40:57
saying, can people... Do
41:00
you also get all the other girls to dance with you?
41:02
Oh, we've got guys. Oh, we have to... We've got way
41:04
too focused on what we have to do on the Saturday
41:06
night. The thing is, is that you're not in the same
41:09
room. Ed Duck. Ed Duck. Sometimes we only... You see people
41:11
only on Saturday. Yeah, exactly. Because
41:13
you're in the studio on your own, doing your own
41:15
thing and then coming together on Saturday and then you've
41:17
got the show. Yeah. And everyone's just a bit too
41:19
tense. And sometimes you're not even just in the same
41:21
studio. Sometimes we're different seated. Some people practice in Manchester,
41:24
but it's in London. So we see each other on
41:26
the Sunday... The irony is, is we don't see each
41:28
other. We don't see each other. That's the irony, until
41:30
the show day. That's why you're not so happy on
41:32
the show day because you're all together. Yeah, and then
41:34
all that sort of romantic stuff is all in the
41:36
press and on socials and stuff. And it's all just...
41:39
So press it to there to read it and stuff.
41:41
And it's a bit of a sort of people at home like
41:43
all these romance things and try to think,
41:46
what is it for, is it not? It's
41:48
fascinating. It's part of the fun of it,
41:50
really. Yeah. I think I've thought
41:52
in every season that somebody who has enough of
41:55
somebody. I'm invariably
41:57
in love with
41:59
people. I can't have myself, I'm just a
42:01
sucker for it. I love him, I love him.
42:04
I know this is a crime. I'll
42:06
wake up. He's getting
42:08
emotional at the moment. I think it's me age.
42:12
And I think it's me. Yes.
42:16
Right, stop the five. Mm. Mm.
42:22
Mm. Oh,
42:24
well, you're trying to get together. Together,
42:28
wherever we go. It's
42:30
what I pitched a card, isn't it? It's what
42:32
I pitched a card. Do you
42:34
know what's really interesting? This is
42:37
very, this is absolutely true. You
42:39
look at Giovanni, he's kind of
42:41
cool. Gives it a bit of
42:43
that. He's kind of stylish, just to get
42:45
laid back. Thank you. He gives it a
42:47
lot of that. Giovanni Benitez.
42:51
You move forward in love with me in 15 seconds. Look,
42:53
it has happened in 10 seconds. I'm
42:55
in the wrong place. And
42:58
I said, you want to, oh, let me drive. He said, no,
43:00
I drive. I drive the car. It's my city.
43:03
I drive the car in my country. And then I drove
43:05
the car. And I had to drive the car in this country.
43:07
I said, look, you drive the car, and we're going down the
43:09
road. And we tried
43:11
to turn around, and I said, don't, don't. Be
43:14
careful that you've got to put it in a ditch.
43:16
But he said, no, I drive the car. I drive
43:18
the car. And so he beaches the
43:20
car. Yes. He beaches the
43:22
car. And this, and this, and this. This was
43:25
the first time. I said, you've been to the
43:27
car. He's a nice man. I said, you've
43:29
been to the car. You know? This
43:31
is the first time I'd ever seen him get
43:33
up. He got anxiety. I do. He
43:36
got anxiety. He started to get a bit hot. And
43:38
all the time. He started to go. Even the accident
43:40
slipped. He went a bit down. He stumbled. It
43:43
was, I never thought, you know what? It
43:45
made me laugh so much. What
43:48
was about to come? It wasn't just
43:50
the kind of problem was listening to
43:53
him when they all speak. That
43:55
was the one you can draw. All the way.
43:57
Oh, but you're. Genuinely,
44:00
genuinely, genuinely. Absolutely.
44:04
It was a moment. And largely attacked. It was
44:06
very, very funny. And then of course I had
44:08
to get out of the car. And help. I
44:11
had to literally pick the car up
44:13
with Acculice, like a Kuleesh, and
44:15
then move the car back onto the road, and then
44:17
he drove off and left me. First time I'd ever
44:20
seen him lose any sort of...
44:22
Yeah. He was like, hey, that's my
44:24
call. Don't look me in the eye.
44:26
I even become bring. It's
44:29
not. Yeah,
44:32
what's my name again? Para-Cab.
44:34
Para-Cab. So enjoying being
44:37
transported all around around 50 years. Oh,
44:39
thank you. And the final destination
44:45
at the top of your travel back list, the top
44:47
of your travel wish list, where would you actually
44:49
be? Nothing to do yet. I want
44:51
to go to America. Yeah. And specifically I would
44:53
love to go to Argentina. That's like America. Yes.
44:57
South America. Oh, okay. And
45:00
the reason why, because I'm a fan of Argentina and
45:02
China. So I would
45:04
love to go and see where
45:06
everything started, really. There would be my
45:11
place to go. Oh, such a great choice. I so
45:13
long I'll go with Antoine. Very
45:15
well. Seriously. I've always wanted to go. I mean, we
45:17
talked about Maldives here. I've never been to Maldives. I've
45:20
never been to Maldives. But I think... The kind of
45:22
a serious one, Maldives. No, very interesting. I'd love to
45:24
go to... I've never
45:26
been, I know it should be surprising for you, but
45:28
I've never been to New York. I've never been
45:30
to New York. I'd like to go to New
45:32
York. America has always been my photo place.
45:35
New York, LA, Las
45:38
Vegas. Vegas. Never been to
45:40
Vegas. Never been to Vegas. Never been to Vegas.
45:42
But you know, I've never been to Vegas. I
45:44
went to LA. We dipped in for about four
45:46
days. Went to LA. But
45:48
didn't do much. New York. Didn't do much.
45:51
Broadway. Broadway, should be Broadway. We
45:53
should go to New York, really. We'll do a little thing
45:55
in New York. And then we'll go off
45:57
to Vegas afterwards. I think in a fact, do a
45:59
show. I'll do a show and then come back. No,
46:02
it's fine. Nice. And then pop down
46:04
to Buenos Aires and do a tango. There's a trip. To promote
46:06
the album. That's a trip. That's a
46:08
trip. To promote the album. Giovanni
46:11
Pannice, Anton Dubek, those were your
46:13
travel diaries. Thank you so
46:15
much. Thank you. Thank you. Oh
46:23
wow, a huge thank you to
46:25
Anton and Giovanni for
46:27
joining me on my first
46:30
episode of the season. It
46:32
was a real laugh getting to chat to them. Episode
46:35
one of Anton and Giovanni's Adventures in
46:37
Spain will air on BBC One and
46:39
iPlayer on Monday 18th March at 9pm.
46:44
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47:20
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