0:00

So, as I've been talking about on

0:02

this show and a lot of the conversations

0:04

that are happening in the country, is this this

0:06

new era of politics that we live in.

0:09

You know, we now live in this wild West

0:11

of American politics with

0:13

the vast introduction of mail

0:16

and ballots to a scale that we hadn't seen

0:18

in prior elections since

0:20

COVID and beyond, it's

0:23

completely changed the dynamics of

0:25

elections. I mean, we saw with the twenty

0:27

two midterms Republicans got caught

0:29

with our pants down because

0:32

it's no longer about earning votes, it's about

0:34

finding ballots. So

0:37

the dynamics have changed. But even beyond

0:39

that, you can look at places and

0:41

states that are doing it right. Look at Florida,

0:44

my state. I'm a little bit biased as a Floridian.

0:46

I love this state. I think it's the best state

0:48

in the country. But look at what we were

0:51

able to do. We have a population of

0:53

two million people and we were able to deliver

0:55

results on election night. We had also

0:57

been just recovering from a category for

0:59

her and we're also facing another incoming

1:01

hurricane as we went into election day.

1:04

So why was Florida able to do it?

1:06

And make it seem so easy, yet it's hard

1:08

for so many of these other states. And this

1:10

is a really important issue as we move forward,

1:13

because we have to have faith in

1:15

our elections. We need to

1:17

know that they're being done right. We need to

1:19

know that the people being elected truly are supposed

1:21

to be there. And this is going to get more challenging

1:24

because you look at the use of mail and ballots, you look

1:26

at the use of absentee ballots. It's

1:28

all grown exponentially from in

1:31

two thousand four to six in

1:34

and we used to be able to call elections

1:37

on election night. That used to be the norm.

1:40

Look at presidential elections of the past.

1:42

The Associated Press was able to call the presidential

1:45

race for Barack Obama eleven

1:48

eight pm on election night. The

1:51

AP called the election for Donald Trump at to twenty

1:54

nine a m. The next day after

1:56

the election, but in with mail

1:58

and ballots, the AP didn't call the race until

2:02

a m Eastern November

2:04

seven, four days after the election. And

2:06

you look at in the mid terms how long it has

2:08

taken to count the votes

2:11

in some of these states. So we're

2:13

going to talk to the guy who who is in charge

2:16

of Florida's elections about

2:18

what Florida does to get things right.

2:20

We've recently made changes as a state,

2:23

uh looking at things, strengthening laws

2:25

on things like drop boxes. Now they must be

2:27

monitored in person by election

2:29

workers. We're going to talk about that. Also,

2:32

Republicans created a new Elections

2:34

Investigations Unit as well, among

2:36

the first of the kind in its nation, to ensure

2:38

that people are doing the right thing and voting. So

2:41

we're going to talk to the guy who's leading the charge in

2:43

a state that's doing it right. Maybe some of the other states

2:45

will learn, and that conversation is going to be a Secretary

2:48

State, Cord Bird. He was appointed by Governor

2:50

Ronda Stantis as Florida's

2:52

thirty seven Secretary of State

2:54

and he has spent his life of writing for the

2:57

Constitution, individual liberty, economic

2:59

freedom, limited government. So

3:01

he wants to make sure that our

3:03

elections are done right, that that people have integrity

3:06

in our elections. So that's what we're going

3:09

to talk about today and maybe

3:11

just maybe it'll be a blueprint for

3:13

some of these other states that can't seem to figure

3:15

it out. I'm looking at you, Pennsylvania, Arizona,

3:18

Nevada. So I hope you enjoyed this conversation

3:21

and we'll all learn a lot together. So,

3:39

Secretary of Cordbora, thank you so much for

3:42

joining the show. I'm a florid iad, so

3:44

it's awesome to have you on. We live in the best state,

3:47

so thanks for taking the time. Thank you, Lisa.

3:49

And yes, you're right, the Sunshine States leading

3:51

the way it really is on everything

3:54

including elections and and this was

3:56

really underscored on election

3:58

night when we were able to cow our

4:00

ballots, our votes in a

4:02

state of twenty two million people, when all

4:05

these other states could not. So

4:07

why is it so easy for Florida and so hard

4:09

for everyone else? Sure, I mean it all begins

4:11

with putting the right to laws in place

4:14

with the legislature and the governor. I mean, going back

4:16

to two thousand, we we learned our lesson

4:18

and during every cycle we

4:20

continue to improve upon our laws. No matter how

4:23

well we do, we continue to do better.

4:25

So, for example, um, we

4:27

start canvassing votes, which for

4:29

for your listeners who may not know, that means counting

4:32

the vote by mail and the and the

4:34

early votes. Twenty two days prior

4:36

to election day, we started the supervisors

4:38

can start counting those votes. So on

4:40

election night, that very first number that

4:43

comes out within minutes of the polls closing

4:45

is your early and vote by mail. And then

4:48

we have strict standards in place that every

4:50

for every first forty five minutes and

4:52

then thereafter every thirty minutes, they

4:54

have to report the election day results

4:56

as the precincts are reporting. So we

4:58

don't give them the lead eight to just say,

5:00

hey, you've gotten multiple days to count. We

5:03

require them to get their their account in that night.

5:05

Well, and obviously you mentioned the Gore

5:07

versus Bush controversy. I think it was almost

5:09

twenty two years ago. It was twenty two years ago,

5:12

you know, talk about you had mentioned that Florida made

5:14

changes, talk about some of the changes that were

5:16

made after that and and the continued

5:18

strengthening of our laws here in Florida.

5:21

Sure, so, I was actually in Palm Beach County

5:23

in two thousand. Still have my sample

5:26

butterfly ballot with the hanging Chad, pregnant

5:28

Chad, the whole nine yards. And so after

5:30

that, because we had multiple different voting systems

5:33

in place in Florida at that time, the state

5:35

decided that at the state level we were going

5:37

to certify any voting system,

5:39

so I have my own team of experts.

5:42

Before anybody can bring a voting system

5:44

into Florida to be used at the county level,

5:46

we require that to be certified by the state

5:49

so that all of the counties are on the same standards.

5:51

That's one of the important things UM.

5:53

I ran legislation when I was in the State House

5:56

that says that the paper ballot is the best

5:58

evidence of voter intent. So we use paper

6:01

ballots in Florida. Even though they're tabulated

6:03

by a machine, there's a voter

6:05

marking a piece of paper on

6:08

their vote. We have strict on vote

6:10

by mail, strict requirements

6:12

that anybody that's matching the

6:14

signatures that they undergo training.

6:17

We have UM an open

6:19

process, so whether it's the logic and accuracy

6:22

testing, so that's the before before

6:24

the election cycle starts. The

6:26

public can come in and look at the machines

6:29

and and see that they're the counsel at

6:31

zero and that they're working properly through

6:33

the canvassing process. The public can come

6:35

in and watch. On election night, the public

6:37

can come in and watch. So we're always

6:39

trying to balance access with integrity,

6:42

and that's led to the

6:45

gold standard that we are today. I mean, obviously

6:47

there's a lot of concerns that mail and

6:49

ballots are more susceptible to fraud.

6:53

What's our what are your thoughts on that? Sure? And there

6:55

and that goes back even to the Baker Carter

6:57

Report in two thousand and five, which was the bipartisan

7:00

UM commission that looked at voting in the United

7:02

States. And even in that report they said that

7:04

mail in voting is the most susceptible

7:07

to fraud. UM. It is a popular method

7:09

of voting in Florida. So on

7:12

on this last election, we had about a third vote

7:14

by mail, a third early vote in a third

7:16

on election day. So we have as

7:18

many safeguards in places as

7:20

I think we can. UM on

7:23

mail in voting. We banned ballot

7:25

harvesting, So what you see in Nevada and California,

7:28

that's illegal in Florida. UM.

7:30

And then I'm required, my office is required

7:33

before the next legislative session in three

7:36

to provide a report on how to add

7:38

additional safeguards to vote

7:40

by mail. UH to just once

7:42

again to increase integrity and security.

7:45

Well, I think that's important to continue learning

7:47

too, because you know, for instance, on mail and ballots.

7:49

You know, how much of an increase have

7:52

we seen since COVID in

7:54

terms of the use of that. So it seems to make sense

7:56

that as things change, you

7:58

know, we're adapting and making sure that

8:00

our laws are are meeting you know, today's

8:03

world. Well, you're exactly right, and

8:05

there are a lot of people for example, um

8:08

and then this past race or this past

8:10

election, and we don't in Florida. You

8:12

have to request a ballot. So unlike other states

8:14

that just mail, go ahead and mail a

8:17

ballot to every single voter on the voter role,

8:19

we do not do that. You have to request it. And

8:21

it was on a two year cycle. So we

8:23

had many people during COVID request

8:26

one, but then vote by

8:28

our in person this last election,

8:30

so we had about there have been

8:32

some reports that there's a there's a

8:34

million mail out ballots that weren't

8:36

returned, and that's true

8:39

because those people, while during

8:41

COVID they voted

8:43

by mail, they then reverted back to their normal

8:45

pattern of voting in person. This time and

8:47

last legislative session, we've now

8:49

gone to the request being for every two

8:51

cycles to every cycle you have

8:53

to request the mail. The mail in ballot.

8:56

So that's an additional safeguard that we've put

8:58

in place, and talk a little bit of out. So

9:00

there were additional measures, uh that

9:02

were enacted in right,

9:05

like strengthening things like drop boxes

9:07

having to be monitored by person by an election

9:09

worker. Can you talk about some of those changes that

9:11

were made and then the new Election Integrity

9:14

Unit? Sure, absolutely so we've you

9:16

and Florida we now call them a secure ballot

9:18

intake stations, but they were formerly known

9:21

as drop boxes. And in the difference being

9:23

the dropbox connotates they can be put on a

9:25

you know, in a corner somewhere and nobody watches

9:27

it. Where the ballot intake

9:29

stations have to be monitored by

9:32

an election worker. Um, and I

9:35

went to every all sixty seven counties after

9:37

I was appointed by the governor and visited with every

9:40

single supervisor of elections and looked

9:42

at their operations. Many of them have

9:44

two people watching because there's a twenty dollar

9:47

fine in place to the supervisor personally

9:50

if they don't if they leave that box

9:52

unmonitored. Because some people

9:54

are not trustful of the postal service, they

9:57

like the convenience of the box. So once

9:59

again that's one of those measures where we're trying

10:01

to to balance convenience

10:03

with integrity, and I think we've struck the right balance

10:05

there. I mean, Secretary, I'm not gonna lie. If I was faced

10:07

with the dollar fine, I think I

10:09

would be running a tight ship as well. So

10:11

exactly a lot of that's a lot

10:13

of cash. I feel like we're

10:15

in this weird places as a country because

10:18

of obviously mail and ballots and absitute ballots

10:20

growing so substantially since COVID.

10:22

I mean, for instance, I think they've grown

10:24

from in two thousand four to six

10:28

in the country, you know, naturally, not sure

10:30

what two is going to ultimately

10:32

look like. Uh, you know, what

10:35

are your recommendations for some of

10:37

these other states, because obviously we don't have results

10:39

on election night and we have to wait,

10:42

you know, a week plus to get results.

10:44

It really just undermines faith in

10:47

the election process at large. It

10:49

does, and I think that the number one thing they that

10:51

other states can do and should do is

10:54

start canvassing their vote by mail and

10:56

early votes earlier. So just like

10:58

Florida follow our mom moudele an

11:00

example. Because the longer this goes

11:02

on that it breeds distrust that allows

11:05

for people to to call into question, uh,

11:07

the integrity of the election. And that really

11:09

is an easy chain change.

11:12

And you know, people go, well, what do you know what happens to somebody

11:14

releases the those results ahead

11:16

of time? I mean only the s o E should have the supervisor

11:18

of election should have those numbers. And we make

11:20

it a felony in Florida if you are to release

11:22

those numbers ahead of time. And we've never had

11:25

that happen where those numbers got out

11:28

before before election night. So

11:30

I think that's the number one thing they could do.

11:32

And also we have in Florida our supervisors

11:35

of Election are there there um

11:37

independently elected constitutional officers,

11:39

their their professionals. They're accountable

11:42

with the people, where in other states they

11:44

don't have that model, and it's just

11:46

another job that maybe uh you know, the

11:48

city manager, a county clerk has

11:51

in addition to all of their other duties, is every

11:53

two or four years, they they're in charge of an election.

11:55

That's not their full time job. And I think

11:57

that's another difference that Florida has in place, that we

12:00

have people who their their entire

12:02

job all year round, all their dedicated

12:04

to doing is making sure that they can get election

12:06

results on Election nine. Yeah, I mean that that definitely,

12:09

you know. And it's crazy too because you can go back

12:11

and look at elections in previous

12:13

election cycles, and you know, Associated Press

12:15

called presidential

12:18

race for Obama at eleven thirty

12:20

eight pm on Election night, the

12:22

AP called the election for Donald Trump

12:24

at or to twenty nine uh

12:27

the day after the election, and then in with

12:30

mail and ballots, the AP didn't call the race until

12:32

eleven six a m. November

12:35

seven, four days after the

12:37

election. Is it, you

12:39

know? I mean, Florida makes it look so

12:41

easy in terms. I know it's not. I know, you've

12:43

got a big job and you work very hard to make

12:45

sure the elections are efficient and done

12:47

with integrity. But it is it that they just

12:49

don't care and some of these

12:51

other states, it's it's just hard to imagine that

12:54

there are easy changes that could be made, yet no

12:56

one seems to care to make them. It really

12:58

starts with the legislatures, and that's what I encourage

13:00

people to contact their state representative

13:02

and state senator because they have the constitutional

13:05

authority to do this. And you know, you mentioned

13:07

we make it look easy, and I'm glad it looks

13:10

that way because we do put a lot of time into it. You

13:12

have remember we had a we had a major Category four

13:14

plus hurricane hit a month prior

13:17

to the election, and we had another one hit

13:19

the day after the election, and we were still

13:21

able to do this. So I think

13:23

that our our results speak for themselves. And I've

13:26

offered my services to any other state that's

13:28

interested, more than happy to

13:30

help them walk through Florida's laws and what

13:32

they can do, because, um, it

13:35

really is unacceptable, and especially

13:37

in these mid term and in presidential

13:39

races. I mean, it matters

13:41

to Floridians what happens

13:44

in these races and other states, and it

13:46

undermines our confidence and those results

13:48

when they can't do what we do well. And also,

13:50

like you look at a mid term election and

13:53

if it was this messy, this passimate

13:55

from a cycle, then what is it going to be for

13:58

the presidential election when you have more are people

14:00

turning out in these states? You know, if they

14:02

if they can't handle it for a mid term election,

14:05

then you know we're really going to have

14:07

confidence eroded in the upcoming

14:10

presidential election. If they don't get their acts together,

14:12

well that's it. And I went and looked at Arizona's

14:14

laws and they do have some changes coming

14:16

for twenty four. So it should improve some

14:19

in Arizona with some of the additional

14:21

changes they're making. Um,

14:23

but it's going to take citizens in those states

14:25

where they may not that they still have ballot harvesting

14:28

to adapt until their their

14:30

legislatures make those changes. They're gonna have to

14:32

adapt to those rules and and fight

14:34

on that that same playing

14:36

field, even if they find that policy

14:39

personally distasteful. That's what it's going

14:41

to take to to to win these races.

14:43

Quick break more on election integrity

14:50

and talk about the concerns with ballot harvesting

14:53

and why Florida bands it. You know,

14:55

how can it be exploited? What's the concern

14:58

there, and why don't we have it? It's

15:00

a great question, and I mean when you hear in these

15:02

other states, I mean you can, you can show

15:04

up to the polling place with hundreds of ballots.

15:07

And the problem with vote

15:09

by mail is that it's it's unsupervised

15:11

voting, and it's it's subject and these

15:13

are my words, this is coming out of the Baker Carter report.

15:16

This is it's subject to intimidation

15:19

and coercion. UM. Sometimes people are

15:21

paid for their vote by mail ballots, and

15:23

so it when when somebody walks

15:25

in with hundreds of ballots, or you hear these stories

15:28

of individuals going through apartment complexes

15:30

and asking and knocking on doors

15:32

and asking them to turn in their ballots. UH,

15:35

that becomes a problem whether or not those people

15:37

are truly UM casting those votes

15:39

and UH and UH and

15:42

following the right procedure. So we

15:44

had that problem in Florida. We've banned it. We

15:46

still allow for someone if you if you're a

15:48

family member, UM and you live with your

15:50

grandparents, and you can take their ballots

15:53

to the polling place. So we have a very prescribed

15:55

law on who can be in possession of someone

15:58

else's ballots. But it's very narrow and unlike

16:00

Nevada and California. And I think, you know, I

16:02

try to look at everything secretary from just

16:04

like a common sense standpoint in lens.

16:07

And if you look at you know, ballot harvesting, it's like

16:09

the likelihood of it touching more hands,

16:12

chain of custody concerns, and then that just introduces

16:15

obviously the process possibility of

16:17

fraud. When you know you're you're giving

16:19

your ballot to someone you don't really know,

16:22

you know, like who knows what they're going to do with it. Well,

16:24

that's it. Um, you know that's

16:26

a problem with you know that the people have had concerns

16:28

about the drop boxes when there's some of the videos and

16:30

people walking up with with multiple ballots.

16:33

Um, the governor understands

16:36

is very clear that he wanted ballot

16:39

harvesting band and some of these other

16:41

rules tightened up, and the legislature responded.

16:44

And that's why, you know where the gold standard.

16:46

Actually think this is like an incredibly important

16:48

issue too, because I mean, you look at just the country

16:51

as a whole. You know, there's

16:53

a loss of faith in every institution,

16:55

from you know, the media to our government

16:57

to you know, essentially everything.

17:00

And so for people to be able to trust that

17:02

their vote counted, that the elections were done with

17:04

integrity, that the people who are elected to the people

17:06

that should be elected, I think it's paramount

17:09

to you know, to having a thriving

17:12

republic. It is, and you're exactly

17:14

right, and I'm glad you called it a republic because that's what it

17:17

is, a republic that uses democratic processes

17:19

to elect our representatives, and

17:21

if we lose faith in that institution, then

17:24

I don't know that any of the others matter. So

17:26

we have to get this right. And

17:29

the encouraging thing is and this is what I would tell people

17:31

in other states. We have so many Floridians who have become

17:33

involved in the process. And I started

17:35

uh over twenty five years ago as a poll

17:37

watcher. UH And so it takes citizens

17:40

becoming involved and active in the process,

17:43

and that helps because the

17:45

more people we have watching, the more people we have

17:47

reporting. And we do have I I mean I

17:49

was getting text messages all day long from people

17:51

that would see things or have concerns,

17:53

and we would look into it. I would call a supervisor,

17:56

UH, my team would call out. And

17:59

that's what it's going to to to rebuild

18:01

that trust. UM. But I think Florida

18:04

has said the example, and we can't get back

18:06

to an election system that

18:08

that every American can trust. I'm

18:10

glad you mentioned that because I do think that you

18:12

know, a lot of times we look to like the

18:14

federal government, or we look to or

18:17

elected officials, when a lot of times,

18:19

you know, we can we need to take steps ourselves

18:22

to try to to change things from the bottom up.

18:24

So I like the fact you mentioned. You know, you can sign up to be

18:26

a poll watcher, you can get involved to ensure

18:28

that there's integrity in your elections. You know, talk

18:31

about some of those steps that citizens can take

18:33

if they're like, you know what, I'm sick of the process.

18:35

I want to step up. I want to make sure that

18:37

things are done right in my state. What are

18:39

some things that people can do to sort

18:42

of step up to the play and to try to change

18:44

things on their own? Obviously from a legal standpoint,

18:46

but you know, what are some things that people can do?

18:48

Sure? Well, once again I mentioned being a poll watcher,

18:51

but being a whole worker. Um. I talked

18:53

to several people around the state when

18:55

I would go visit supervisors and meet citizens

18:57

and talk to them, and who are skeptical of

19:00

what happened in twenty had concerns and

19:02

they actually became a poll worker, meaning they

19:04

they work for the county during the election

19:06

cycle. And then they said once they got

19:08

to see it behind the scenes and saw the

19:11

safety measures in place, the chain

19:13

of custody, what the supervisor of elections

19:15

was doing, it gave build confidence

19:18

in them. And then they go out and tell their friends,

19:20

their neighbors, they're the people they go to church

19:22

with. And it's that kind of that that organic

19:25

system building up and citizens taking responsibility

19:27

for their own government because it does

19:30

it requires active participation. This notion

19:32

that we can sit back and then be governed by other people

19:34

and then just complain when things go wrong,

19:37

Um, that that's not the way this is supposed to

19:39

work. Yeah, and I really think, you know, obviously

19:41

there's a lot of concerns about the country as

19:43

a whole, but it's going to take each of us to you

19:46

know, step up to the plate to try to redirect this

19:48

country and to write the ship because the Biden

19:50

administration is not going to do it. So and

19:52

apparently in a lot of these states, you know, like Pennsylvania,

19:55

they're not going to do it either, right, And I'm glad you

19:57

mentioned that. You know, some people have been calling, well,

19:59

we needn't we would have federalized or nationalized

20:02

elections, We need one standard, and I think that's

20:04

a terrible idea. Um. You know,

20:06

not much good comes out of Washington, d C. When they

20:08

get involved, and so as frustrating

20:10

as it is to watch other states not

20:13

get it, right. I think that the solution

20:15

is to put pressure on the state legislatures

20:17

in those states and the citizens and those

20:20

states to step up and to say we're going to turn

20:22

this over to Washington, because I just think that would

20:24

be a monumental failure.

20:26

I think that the Founder's got it right when they said it's

20:28

the state legislatures that are to determine

20:31

the time, place, and manner of elections. And

20:33

you mentioned the desire to federalize elections,

20:35

which has been you know, h R one, it was

20:38

a top priority for Democrats to try to

20:40

do that. What would that do to elections?

20:42

You know, it kind of talked through that a little bit, sort

20:44

of you know, gaming through what that could do to a

20:46

country and what that would do to elections.

20:49

I mean, obviously it federalizes it, but just kind of walk us

20:51

through what that means, right, I

20:53

mean you just talk about building to trust and

20:56

and uh, and there's just there's not

20:58

much good that comes out of washing in these

21:00

days and in the in the gridlock um

21:03

and their their inefficiencies and quite

21:05

frankly, the privacy issues of

21:07

having one centralized database with thy

21:10

million Americans and uh, you know in

21:12

one place and all that centralized

21:15

data and information and knowing

21:17

that that would lead to electing

21:20

the most powerful person in the world, the president

21:22

of the United States. I mean, you talk about

21:24

corruption and distrust. I can't think of any

21:27

any greater prize for someone to want

21:29

to infiltrate and to take advantage

21:31

of that, which is why having it diffused

21:34

amongst the fifty states, and then even

21:36

in Florida. I mean, one of our strengths is that even

21:39

within our laws, all sixty seven

21:41

counties can do it a little differently. We've

21:43

got Miami Dade with a million and a half voters,

21:45

our largest county, and then Liberty County

21:47

with about forty five hundred. They

21:50

do things a little differently to match the needs

21:52

of their counties. But you would have to know

21:54

how every all sixty seven are doing it

21:56

to hack the system. If it was federalized,

21:58

you would have to hack one system to get

22:01

the keys to the kingdom. And that that's why

22:03

it's just such a terrible idea, which they did

22:05

tell us with the federal elections in that

22:07

they couldn't be hacked because they're decentralized. But

22:09

then then it but then it was Russia. Still the

22:12

elections. But anyways, that's another.

22:14

Yes, that's another. And listen, they're

22:17

they're bad actors trying to I mean they they're

22:19

constantly trying to probe our systems.

22:21

And um that's not just Florida but other states.

22:23

I mean, so there are there are bad actors internationally.

22:26

They're trying to do bad things in our elections.

22:28

UM, but we have great security measures

22:30

in place here to prevent them. Secretary, is

22:32

there anything I'm missing from this conversation, any

22:35

important points that you want the listeners

22:37

to know that we haven't touched on. I

22:40

think the key is really is getting

22:42

involved and participating. The

22:45

I say this everywhere I I speak. You know, citizenship

22:48

requires active participation and it's not

22:50

enough just to to complain or yell

22:52

at the TV, yell at the radio. They

22:55

need to uh to volunte volunteer

22:57

for a campaign, volunteer, furnace

23:00

we'se office, volunteer,

23:02

or become a candidate yourself. UM.

23:05

So we're getting it right in Florida. Look

23:07

to our model. I'll help anybody

23:09

anywhere, anytime to to get so they get their

23:11

elections right. Secretary Bird, I love our state.

23:13

We live in the freest, the best

23:15

state in the entire nation, and again

23:18

we lead on another issue, which is what Florida

23:20

does. So I appreciate what you do to keep it in

23:23

election integrity to the

23:25

state and thank you for the job that you do.

23:27

Thank you we send for the opportunity to talk

23:29

to you and your listeners and get get

23:32

good information out to them.

23:49

So that was Secretary of State or Bird

23:52

of Florida. Interesting

23:54

conversation. I just wanted to you know, look, Florida

23:56

has been able to do it right, so why can't everyone

23:58

else? So I wanted to hear or from our top

24:00

election guy about what we're doing

24:03

different and why it's different for

24:05

you guys at home and for myself too. So I hope you enjoyed

24:07

it. I want to thank you for listening. I want

24:09

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24:23

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