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fear. Here's our latest episode. America

1:04

faces a lot of enemies right now, foreign

1:06

and domestic, but from the perspective of the

1:09

people who run the country, there's really just

1:11

one enemy and that's faithful Christians.

1:13

Now, nobody ever says that out

1:15

loud. Of course, nobody ever says

1:18

anything very meaningful out loud in the

1:20

United States anymore. But if

1:22

you're interested in who they really hate, we'll

1:25

look at what's happening. So Christian churches across

1:27

the country have been burning and no one

1:29

in the government is doing anything about it.

1:31

Look at how Christian churches are treated during COVID.

1:34

Strip clubs stayed open. Weed dispensary stayed

1:36

open. Liquor stores stayed open, but Christian

1:38

churches were closed because public health.

1:42

We talked the other day to a guy who's

1:44

facing 11 years in prison, federal

1:47

felony charges from the Biden administration for

1:49

praying at an abortion clinic and daring

1:51

to sing hymns. So

1:55

if you are a faithful Christian, not a

1:57

fake Christian, David French Christian, but an

1:59

actual. Christian of the

2:01

kind this country has always had, of

2:03

the kind this country was created to harbor

2:05

actually, you are seen

2:08

as an enemy by the people who

2:10

run it. And of course nobody hates

2:12

Christians more than long time Hollywood actor

2:14

and producer Rob Reiner, amazingly.

2:17

And he's just produced a documentary about

2:19

how faithful Christians are the enemy, if

2:21

you can believe it. Here's

2:23

the trailer from that documentary. We

2:26

should be blazing forth as a

2:28

counter-cultural example. And instead we're leading

2:30

the charge of malice and division.

2:33

Christian nationalism uses Christianity as a

2:35

means to an end. That

2:38

end being some form of

2:40

authoritarianism. Being

2:43

a Christian is about the

2:45

values of inclusion. Christian

2:48

nationalism is certainly not based on the values of

2:50

the gospel. God

2:52

wants America to be saved.

2:56

They're told over and over and over again that

2:58

you're in danger. You need to fight if

3:00

you don't want to lose your country. We are

3:02

in a civil war between good and evil.

3:05

This is not a movement about Christian values.

3:07

This is about Christian power. The thing

3:09

that keeps me up at night is that we lose democracy.

3:12

Is that being possible or

3:14

not? Rob Reiner lecturing us

3:16

on what Jesus really wanted. Now

3:19

part of the purpose of this is political,

3:22

of course. Part of

3:24

the purpose, maybe the main purpose,

3:26

is spiritual. There's something about actual

3:28

Christianity that's the greatest threat of

3:30

all to the people in charge.

3:33

And again, you see it all

3:35

around. MSNBC the other day hosted

3:37

a Politico reporter, Heidi Prisballa, attacking

3:40

Christians who somehow got the idea, maybe

3:42

from our founding documents, that their rights

3:44

come from God and aren't granted

3:47

out of the generosity of say

3:49

Kamala Harris's heart. There's

3:52

Heidi Prisballa. not

4:01

Christians, by the way, because Christian nationalist

4:03

is very different, is that

4:05

they believe that our rights as Americans,

4:07

as all human beings, don't come from

4:09

any earthly authority. They don't come from

4:11

Congress, they don't come to the Supreme Court, they come

4:13

from God. They think their

4:15

rights come from God! They're

4:18

not granted by the US Congress

4:20

and Politico and Heidi Prisballa, who

4:23

by the way has no idea what she's saying,

4:25

this other useful idiot, but what's

4:27

going on behind the scenes, all

4:30

the effort that went into

4:32

getting Heidi Prisballa to carry

4:34

this message, probably unknowingly, is

4:37

worth taking a really close look at.

4:39

In fact, it's really the only conversation

4:41

that matters at this point

4:43

in the history of the West, and Meghan Basham

4:45

has been covering this and writing about

4:47

it from a position of deep knowledge and we

4:50

think some wisdom. She's a reporter for The Daily

4:52

Wire, she's written a book about this, she

4:54

joins us now. Meghan, thanks so

4:56

much for coming on. So this is a

4:59

much broader conversation, but let's just start with Rob

5:02

Reiner lecturing the rest of us

5:04

about what Christianity really is. What

5:07

is this documentary and what's the

5:09

purpose of it? Yeah,

5:11

it's a little hard to get around the irony

5:13

of that, and thanks for having me Tucker. You

5:15

know, to start with, I might disagree with a

5:18

little bit something you said in your monologue there,

5:20

and that is that they're not saying this out

5:22

loud, because they're very much saying it out loud

5:24

these days. They are calling

5:26

evangelicals, particularly evangelicals, who engage in the

5:28

political process a threat to democracy, and

5:30

I think that's the important thing to

5:33

know, because the context of this, and

5:35

for people who don't know what evangelicals

5:37

are or why we should care, if

5:39

you're not a particularly religious person, here's

5:41

why you care. So they are 32 percent

5:43

of the American electorate.

5:46

The Atlantic quite rightly called them in 2021

5:48

America's most powerful

5:51

voting bloc. So they're right about

5:54

that. They are essentially the only

5:56

obstacle that we still have to

5:58

the left-wing agenda. you remove them,

6:00

you removed all the breaks, is

6:02

essentially what evangelicals are and what they do

6:04

when it comes to the political process. So

6:06

there's been a very deliberate effort, and this

6:08

film is part of it, but it is

6:10

just a drop in the bucket, to be

6:13

quite frank, of an

6:15

entire cottage industry that is saying,

6:17

if these people, these evangelicals, continue

6:19

to engage in the public process

6:22

to try to influence their neighbors through

6:24

their vote, through free association, through using

6:27

their free speech, by get out the

6:29

vote efforts, anything like that, that's dangerous

6:31

and scary, and that's very much what

6:33

you saw with this film. So, I

6:36

mean, it is over the top. I'm

6:38

not going to do it the justice

6:40

of pretending like it presents anything like

6:42

a coherent intellectual argument. It doesn't, what

6:45

it essentially does is say, here are

6:47

bad, scary Christians, and they include in

6:49

that bucket, by the way, everyone from

6:51

Billy Graham to Mike Pence

6:54

to the Unite the Right rally, which

6:57

was led by Richard Spencer, an atheist.

6:59

So it's essentially saying, all these guys,

7:01

Jerry Falwell, John McCart, they're all of

7:03

them, they're the same as Unite the

7:05

Right, which in itself is

7:07

bonkers to even try to create a parallel

7:10

there. So that is

7:12

just a set of sounds. Wait, I'm sorry, Tim, no, right.

7:14

They claim, and I haven't seen it, but

7:18

Richard Spencer is a liberal who

7:20

hates Christianity, and they're saying

7:22

that Richard Spencer is a Christian nationalist? Correct,

7:26

yes. So as they sort of

7:28

trace the arc of Christian nationalism

7:30

in American history, what they

7:32

show is that it culminates in the

7:35

Unite the Right rally and the January 6th

7:37

riot, neither of which has

7:39

there ever been any evidence we're associated

7:41

with any religious motives. So really what

7:43

you could call this is a propaganda

7:46

smear. That's what it is. It's just

7:48

one that's being helped along by people

7:50

who claim to be speaking for

7:53

the real Christians, the true Christians, which in

7:55

this film are the Christians who

7:57

are pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ agenda.

8:00

who, you know, demand political

8:02

action on behalf of abortion

8:05

in their rainbow-drenched churches. I

8:08

mean, I'm hardly a theologian, have no interest

8:10

in becoming one, but I think we can

8:12

say conclusively if you're pro-abortion, you're not a

8:14

Christian. I mean, I think it's kind of

8:16

that simple, is it not? I don't know

8:18

how you could be for child sacrifice and

8:20

for Christianity. Right. Yeah,

8:23

it absolutely is for me. And,

8:25

you know, that's part of what's

8:27

so insidious is, you know, they

8:30

say that Roe is the overturning

8:32

of Roe was the culmination of

8:34

Christian nationalist political victory. So

8:36

if you're going to do that, you have

8:38

now just said that evangelicals participating in

8:40

the political process over a course

8:43

of, gosh, 30, 50

8:45

years that put in so much effort

8:47

that that was nothing more than a

8:49

political ploy and it's not true Christianity,

8:51

it's not true religion. In fact, they

8:53

say that the only reason Christians

8:55

and evangelicals in particular picked up

8:57

that issue was because they failed

8:59

at blocking desegregation in private schools

9:01

back in the 1960s. So

9:05

that's how unserious this film is. But

9:07

what is serious about it is that

9:09

it's part of a much larger narrative

9:11

that we're seeing. You know,

9:14

everybody knows Rob Reiner, so everybody's talking

9:16

about this particular film. But let's get

9:18

real. In an entire cottage industry of

9:20

books from, you know, staff writers at

9:22

the Atlantic through from Russell Moore,

9:24

who is in this film himself, claiming

9:27

to speak for the sober minded,

9:29

non-politically idolatrous Christians, which, you know,

9:31

that in itself, given how political

9:34

someone like Russell Moore, who is

9:36

the editor of Christianity today himself

9:39

is, is hugely ironic.

9:42

And I think that there is also a

9:44

little bit of don't look behind the curtain

9:46

at what the man back there is doing

9:48

because Russell Moore is absolutely a political actor

9:50

in a much more deliberate and well funded

9:53

way than any of the people that

9:55

this movie is criticizing. Well, let's talk about

9:57

that. I mean, so he was a Baptist leader, of course,

9:59

for years. He didn't like Trump and

10:02

from my perspective is totally fine You don't have to like

10:04

Trump to be a Christian, of course or

10:06

any political leader But Russell

10:08

Moore is himself a political leader and he

10:11

does it seems from my outsider's perspective Very

10:14

much like he is paid to subvert

10:17

American traditional Christianity on

10:19

behalf of the Democratic Party.

10:22

He seems like he's betraying

10:24

his fellow Christians For

10:27

money, but maybe I'm just being

10:30

unfair you tell me who Russell Moore is if you

10:32

would who? Who's

10:35

backing him and why you think? So

10:39

if you're not familiar with Russell Moore He

10:42

was formerly until the last few years

10:44

the head of the ethics and religious

10:46

Liberty Commission and that is the political

10:48

lobbying arm Of the Southern

10:50

Baptist Convention that is the largest

10:52

Protestant denomination in the US it

10:55

represents Some 47,000 churches

10:57

maybe 15 million evangelicals in

10:59

the country So if your purpose is

11:01

to suppress or sway their vote You're

11:03

not going to get more bang for

11:05

your buck than trying to Infiltrate

11:08

the Southern Baptist Convention and I think that's

11:10

very much what we have seen with Russell Moore

11:12

when he was in leadership You

11:15

know part of the thing that he

11:17

did was getting the ERLC involved with

11:19

a group called the evangelical immigration table

11:21

Which is essentially just the faith front

11:24

of the National Immigration Forum, which is

11:26

a left-wing NGO that advocates

11:28

for Open border policies

11:31

amnesty policies. They are George Soros funded

11:33

They don't like people to talk about

11:35

that But they absolutely are and

11:37

so these are the kind of things that Russell Moore was

11:40

involved with been involved in when he was with

11:42

the ERLC You know, he did

11:44

a lot of publicity

11:46

with Obama trying

11:48

to convince All kinds

11:50

of you know conservative legislators at the

11:52

time that evangelicals backed Amnesty

11:55

policies and that that's what they wanted and he's

11:57

still doing that kind of thing today, but eventually

12:00

It was sort of like the jig with

12:02

that. With Southern Baptists, you had the rank

12:04

and file who did not feel represented by

12:06

hand and really dissatisfied with the kind of

12:09

political lobbying that he was doing. So he

12:11

he said he was psychologically terrorized. Now, he

12:13

has never defined what he meant by. he

12:15

was psychologically terrorize. Major that have a massive

12:17

i don't want my We banner ramsey. Said that.

12:20

He. Said he was psychologically terrorize. Find a

12:22

southern Baptists who are not fans of his

12:24

and Man Against and this was repeated in

12:26

Atlanta. Greater to Albert as bucks, But nobody

12:29

ever defines what he meant by that. Ever

12:31

be discerned. Take them at his word. And

12:33

so I don't know what he meant by

12:35

that, but. What? We do now is

12:37

the rank and file did not really like his

12:39

political views so he last and he went and

12:42

became the editor and she that Christianity today. And

12:44

what they're doing in this cycle

12:47

right now, for example is and

12:49

they have launched a but a

12:51

curriculum that is a political Bible

12:54

study to help Christians really frame

12:56

their political identity. And and it's

12:58

funded by people like been Rockefellers,

13:01

these got Rockefeller philanthropy advisors. If

13:03

you're not familiar with them, they

13:05

find a lot of left wing

13:07

things out like abortion and quote

13:10

unquote gender affirming care for minors

13:12

and youth. so puberty blockers and.

13:15

Miss Septimus for young girls, hormones,

13:17

all of that so thing that

13:19

rob children of their sexual function.

13:22

I'm so he's he's even bother.

13:24

The group is taking money from

13:26

them and also from the Hewlett

13:28

Foundation which is the largest, fun,

13:30

second largest wonder if you may

13:32

have Planned Parenthood So they have

13:35

created this Bible Study to go

13:37

into Churches to go into a

13:39

Christian Colleges Universities and the Council

13:41

for Christian Colleges and Universities as

13:43

been pushing it onto all of

13:45

their One hundred and eighty five

13:47

campuses and essentially what it does

13:49

is say that issues are complex.

13:52

And. at the beginning of this you

13:54

brought up abortions harper and one of

13:56

the things that this curriculum stresses is

13:58

that if anybody tells you the they

14:00

know the answer on how you should

14:02

vote for when it comes to abortion

14:04

and protecting innocent lives, you

14:06

should run from that person because

14:08

you shouldn't buy into package deal

14:10

ethics. And it is

14:12

insidious, but it is somewhat overt in

14:15

this curriculum. At one point, David French,

14:17

who is also involved in this curriculum,

14:19

is talking about how complex the issue

14:21

of abortion is, and we don't always

14:23

know how we should vote regarding it.

14:25

They show on the screen a woman

14:27

holding up a pro-life sign at a

14:29

march. So, you know, the visual messaging

14:31

there is very clear. So when you

14:33

look at this, you can hear you

14:35

have guys like Russell Moore, David

14:38

French, who are taking money

14:40

from hard left secular foundations

14:42

to push their political curriculum

14:44

into churches onto Christian

14:46

campuses. This is explicitly political

14:48

lobbying. And yet at the

14:50

same time, there in this

14:52

movie, a Rob Reiner's warning,

14:55

oh, gosh, look at all the

14:57

idolatrous Trump voters, all of the

14:59

idolatrous evangelicals who are trying to

15:01

oppose Roe, who are happy about

15:04

the Dobbs decision, who made political

15:06

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15:08

you know, there's just a huge irony there,

15:10

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17:23

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17:25

of leadership and all of its many benefits,

17:28

but they also have deeper obligations to the

17:30

people they lead. And I

17:32

wonder, of the people you've mentioned,

17:34

David French and Russell Moore, there's been a

17:36

lot of killing of Christians around

17:38

the world. There's killing of Christians in Gaza

17:40

right now, killing Christians in Armenia. The Christians

17:42

of Iraq were genocided under George W. Bush.

17:46

And then there are Christians in the United States going to prison

17:48

for practicing their religion. Have they

17:50

said anything about any of that? No.

17:54

And, you know, that's part of what this is,

17:57

is that they push forward a message of, here

17:59

is what... faithful Christian witness in the

18:01

public square looks like, but it's only

18:03

on specific issues, right? It's only on

18:06

things like welcoming the stranger when it

18:08

comes to illegal immigration. So, you know,

18:10

that's a big messaging push that Russell

18:12

Moore, David French have been involved in.

18:15

It includes things like not idolizing

18:17

Trump, but when it comes to

18:19

these complex issues that we should

18:21

be talking about from a biblical

18:24

worldview, they don't delve into that

18:26

at all because that is not

18:28

part of the messaging that let's

18:30

say the mainstream media, let's say

18:32

the secular progressive foundations who are

18:34

funding their ventures, these are not

18:36

the political ideas that they're

18:38

interested in. It's not the political debate

18:40

that they're interested in. And, you

18:42

know, therefore they don't talk about that. And you're not going

18:44

to hear them talk about that. And look, I

18:46

think these are issues on which Christians of

18:48

good faith can have different views. And it's

18:51

something that we can wrestle with and discuss,

18:53

but what you notice is they don't wrestle

18:55

with it and discuss it. They say, you

18:57

know, there is one legitimate

18:59

Christian outlook to take. And if

19:01

you express or even ask in

19:04

any way about it, in any

19:06

curious or you present something else, it may

19:08

go, hey, what about this? I just read

19:10

about these Ukrainian churches that are

19:13

being shut down. I have a concern about

19:15

that. The immediate thing is to

19:17

tag you as somebody who is a Christian

19:19

nationalist, who's a conspiracy theorist. And, you know,

19:21

one thing that made me laugh in this

19:24

film when they were

19:26

tying January 6th to Christian nationalism

19:28

is they said, one of

19:30

the dangers we may see coming out

19:32

of this is that Christians may begin

19:34

to second guess what happened on

19:37

January 6th. And that would be a

19:39

threat to our democracy. So things that

19:41

should be the foundations of our democracy,

19:43

open debate about these issues, about like

19:45

what's happening in Ukraine or, you know,

19:47

what's happening in Gaza or any of

19:49

these subjects where we should have free

19:52

and open debate. Instead, they're saying it's

19:54

a threat to democracy to have free

19:56

and open debate as Christians about these

19:58

issues. You must. obey

20:00

and not question people who hate Christianity and

20:02

want to kill Christians, otherwise you're not a

20:04

Christian. That's what they're saying. One of the

20:07

things that bothers me most about all of

20:09

this and shocks me a little bit is

20:11

if you live in a pluralistic society like

20:13

ours, which is great, one

20:16

of the rules is you

20:18

can't attack other people's religions.

20:20

And you may disagree with them, I disagree with a

20:22

lot of different religions, but if you

20:24

want to all live together you can't

20:26

just attack the theological precepts of other

20:28

people's religions or else people

20:30

really start to hate each other and it's

20:32

impossible to live together. And yet

20:35

these attacks on Christian nationalism are

20:37

exactly that. Does anyone see

20:39

that as unwise? Like let's not do this.

20:44

I mean you certainly you're seeing rank-and-file

20:46

people saying this is unwise and you

20:48

are starting to see something of a,

20:50

okay, and we can debate whether

20:52

or not this is wise, but you're seeing some

20:54

people going we are getting tagged with this Christian

20:56

nationalism label anyway, so maybe what we should do

20:58

is just accept it and you know give it

21:00

a definition that is different from the definition that

21:02

they're going to give it since they're going to

21:04

push this agenda anyway. And here's

21:07

the situation is that we see

21:09

where this spins out. We see

21:11

what happens in societies where we've

21:13

made it okay for the government to

21:15

start investigating churches, starting to question people's

21:18

doctrine and theology, and that actually is

21:20

a dangerous road to go down. And

21:23

that's not something that they grapple with

21:25

at all in this film. It's certainly

21:27

not something that you know the public

21:29

theologian of Christianity today, which is the

21:32

flagship magazine of evangelicalism and

21:34

should be grappling with this issue. That's

21:36

not something that they discuss at all and

21:39

you know you don't want to scaremonger, but at the same

21:41

time you go I can see very

21:44

clearly the direction it goes

21:46

in when we have our DOJ investigating

21:48

Catholic churches as hotbeds of domestic terrorism.

21:50

That is not a good place for

21:53

us to head down and so this

21:55

entire narrative is setting something like that

21:57

up and if we're going to do

21:59

that You do get to the place

22:01

where you go, these are legitimate religions

22:03

and these are not legitimate religions. And

22:06

that actually is something that foundationally our

22:08

founding fathers said, no, that's not what this

22:10

country is about. You have freedom to practice

22:13

your religion and the state is not gonna

22:15

tell you whether you have a legitimate interpretation

22:17

of biblical writings or not. Well,

22:20

that's exactly right. And if we're already there,

22:22

I mean, they're sending Biden DOJ, sending a

22:24

man to prison for 11 years for praying

22:27

in an abortion clinic. So, if that

22:29

doesn't bother you as a defender of democracy

22:31

and freedom of religion, I mean, you're obviously

22:34

on the side of

22:36

totalitarianism and they are. So

22:38

last question, is it working? I mean, the whole

22:40

idea is to take sincere,

22:43

faithful Christians and make them

22:45

abandon sincere, faithful Christianity and

22:47

turn to the left. That's

22:50

the point of this. Is that working? Yeah,

22:54

I think it has been a very effective

22:57

gambit. So, when you look at it as

22:59

this two-pronged approach, you have one where people

23:01

who genuinely sincere Christians might hear, oh gosh,

23:04

I'm not loving my neighbor if I

23:06

am very clear about my views in

23:08

the public square and that

23:10

the way of Jesus is to be somewhat

23:12

ashamed and quiet of what our biblical convictions

23:14

are and we shouldn't exercise our constitutional rights

23:16

in the same way that all of our

23:19

neighbors do. I think that

23:21

absolutely is having an effect, particularly with,

23:23

you might say, younger evangelicals. They

23:25

might feel a little embarrassed. Like maybe it's

23:27

not such a good thing to be so

23:29

bold and so outspoken about what we think

23:32

about the cause of life. And then

23:34

on the other hand, I do think you absolutely have

23:36

people who are a little bit nervous of where this

23:38

is heading as far as how

23:41

our government is talking about Christians now. How

23:44

you see some very powerful actors saying,

23:46

I don't wanna be viewed as a

23:48

threat to democracy. So I'm just not

23:51

going to participate in this voter mobilization

23:53

effort. I'm not going

23:55

to do things like question January 6th because I

23:57

don't wanna be lumped in with the people who.

24:00

are viewed as a threat to democracy.

24:02

And that becomes a problem because there's

24:04

a tacit threat there that if you

24:07

question anything outside of the official narrative,

24:09

you're now a threat to democracy. Yeah,

24:12

no, that's totally right. I mean, I

24:15

said that was my last question, but I do have one more, which is,

24:18

if we accept, you've made a very powerful

24:20

case, and I believe it, that

24:23

the leadership of a lot of

24:25

these Christian institutions is totally, totally

24:27

corrupt and actually working against their

24:29

flocks, their members. But who,

24:31

I mean, who are the leaders that you that you

24:34

listen to? You know, maybe, and I'm

24:36

not even asking this in political terms,

24:38

who they vote for is, you know, not as

24:41

relevant as whether they're clear

24:43

thinking and honest about the religion. So

24:46

who who is resisting these

24:48

attempts at subversion? Do you think? Well,

24:53

look, and that's a really good part

24:55

of this conversation is that you're seeing,

24:57

I would say, a new generation of

24:59

young pastors, young theologians, young thinkers, you

25:01

know, look, guys who are a lot

25:04

more educated and intelligent about the theological

25:06

debate around these issues than I am.

25:08

But I read them and I love

25:10

them. And, you know, guys like Doug

25:12

Wilson are doing Pastor Doug Wilson doing

25:14

really fascinating work. You're

25:16

seeing old guard guys like Pastor

25:19

John MacArthur out of California,

25:22

who fought the COVID

25:25

closure mandates and

25:28

guys like that who never wavered, and they never

25:30

got sucked into all of this. And you know,

25:32

in all of my research for this book, these

25:34

are the guys that I went, I never saw

25:36

any money being funneled to them. And so it's

25:38

sure funny how they never picked up any of

25:41

this messaging. So I am seeing that I'm also

25:43

seeing young guys within the Southern Baptist Convention. I

25:45

mean, look, there's a people won't

25:47

know this, this is very granular, but there

25:49

is a soul for that massive battle for

25:51

the soul of that massive Southern Baptist Convention

25:53

right now that is happening. And that's actually

25:55

very good news to me because what that

25:57

means is that, you know, it is not

25:59

being on saving and it

26:01

matters because its seminaries educate

26:04

the majority of pastors of all

26:06

denominations in this country. So it's

26:09

really important what happens with the

26:11

Southern Baptist Convention and what happens

26:13

with its seminaries. And you

26:15

are seeing a group of, I

26:17

would say, aggressive, unashamed Christian young guys

26:19

who are now challenging the old guard

26:22

leadership saying we do not want to

26:24

see our convention go in that direction.

26:27

So that's the good news is that they

26:29

are mounting a resistance, I would say, but

26:32

there needs to be more of that and there

26:34

needs to be more people who are, I guess

26:36

I would say, willing to take on the mantle of

26:38

leadership. You cannot just sit in

26:40

the pews and be upset about what you see

26:43

happening in some of these ministries. We

26:46

need some guys who are going to step up and take

26:48

the reins. Amen. Megan,

26:51

thank you so much for joining us. This is absolutely

26:53

fascinating. Before we go, tell us

26:55

the name of your book once more. Yeah,

26:58

so it's Shepherds for Sale, How

27:00

Evangelical Leaders Traded the Truth for a

27:03

Leftist Agenda. And I just barely touched

27:05

on a little bit of the information

27:07

about the Soros funding, the Rockefeller funding,

27:09

the Clinton funding, and all of it

27:12

going to create these faith front groups

27:14

that create astroturf campaigns to try to

27:16

convince Christians that the biblical thing to

27:19

do is support the party of abortion

27:21

and the LGBTQ agenda. So try to

27:23

wrap your head around that, but that's

27:25

what these groups are doing. Yeah.

27:28

Well, there's a lot at stake. You can't overstate

27:31

that. So Megan Basham, appreciate your coming on. Thank

27:33

you. Thanks

27:35

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