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They

1:31

told my parents that

1:34

if they didn't allow me to transition, I would

1:36

be at risk of

1:36

suicide when III

1:41

was never suicidal before

1:43

I transitioned ever.

1:45

They became my my parents as false premise

1:47

of would you

1:49

rather have a dead daughter

1:51

or a life son?

1:59

he

2:03

You would think that as

2:05

divided as our country is that there at least

2:07

there's gotta be one thing that we can all agree as

2:10

sacred, the well-being of our kids.

2:12

But if this is what you think, you'd

2:14

be wrong. because it's not the case at all.

2:16

We have leaders in today's Democrat Party

2:19

who are actively pushing an agenda to sexualize

2:21

our kids at very young ages in

2:23

public schools and impose

2:25

this radical gender ideology

2:28

that actually encourages young kids

2:31

to go through dangerous medical procedures

2:33

under this very misleading guise

2:36

of, quote unquote, gender

2:38

affirming care. Now let's be clear,

2:40

gender affirming care in

2:42

the way that they are using this is nothing

2:45

less than child

2:45

abuse. At

2:47

a time when kids should just

2:50

be allowed to be kids playing

2:52

outside, playing with their toys,

2:55

playing pre ten. These kids

2:57

are being asked questions. and

2:59

to make decisions about their so called

3:01

gender identity and what

3:03

their sexuality is for

3:05

kids in middle school, in high school, With

3:07

their hormones

3:08

raging and kicking in, this

3:10

can be a pretty confusing time. And

3:12

instead of just acknowledging this, we

3:14

have so called progressive activists who

3:17

are pushing this dangerous agenda that

3:19

threatens the very health and safety

3:21

of our kids, criminalizes

3:23

their parents who are going out and expressing

3:25

very real concerns about what their kids are being

3:27

taught in school, and it also

3:30

dangerously undermines fundamental

3:33

truths. Now, this

3:35

is not just some fringe issue that's

3:37

affecting a few people and that should easily

3:39

be dismissed. The reality

3:41

is that the very people in our society

3:44

that we are supposed to be able to trust

3:46

the most, teachers and

3:48

doctors. These are the very

3:51

people who are perpetuating the falsehood that

3:53

there is no such thing as women and

3:55

that there is no such thing as biological differences

3:57

between sexism that anyone can be a woman

4:00

just because they feel like it. that

4:02

our identity is somehow defined by

4:05

what we feel. Feelings

4:08

change. nothing could

4:10

be further from the truth. But

4:12

parents, meanwhile, are being told,

4:14

that they must support their ten

4:17

year old eleven, twelve year old daughter

4:19

going on puberty blockers suppressing their

4:21

hormones or even going under

4:23

the knife to remove their breasts

4:26

or else face the consequences. and

4:29

those

4:29

consequences, they will be accused

4:31

of child abuse and potentially

4:34

face losing their child with the government

4:36

coming and taking their kids away.

4:38

This is not some theory. This is actually happening

4:41

right now in our country. Parents are having their

4:43

kids taken away from them for

4:45

something as simple as refusing to call

4:47

their child by a different pronoun

4:49

than their biological sex. Now

4:51

here's an example of what I'm talking about.

4:53

This past August, Boston

4:55

Children's Hospital faced intense

4:58

backlash after an official

5:00

video they released was

5:02

found out where some of their

5:04

doctors and hospital administrators are promoting

5:06

what they called gender affirming hysterectomies

5:09

for young girls who identify as

5:11

transgender. Videos that

5:13

they put out in this series

5:16

tried to answer questions like when does a

5:18

child know their transgender? The

5:20

hospital's very director of gender

5:23

multi specialty services, stated

5:26

that children, quote, will often know

5:28

that their transgender from the moment

5:30

they have any ability to express themselves,

5:33

and parents will often tell us this.

5:35

Our child will often know that they are transgender

5:37

from the moment that they have any

5:39

ability to express themselves, and parents

5:41

will often tell us this.

5:42

We have parents who tell us that their

5:44

kids, they knew from the minute they were born

5:46

practically. and actions

5:48

like refusing to get a haircut

5:51

or standing to urinate,

5:53

trying to stand to urinate, refusing to stand

5:55

to urinate. trying on siblings

5:57

clothing, playing

5:59

with the

5:59

opposite gender toys,

6:02

things like that. A good

6:03

portion of children do know is early

6:06

seemingly from the womb. And they will

6:08

usually express their gender identity as

6:10

very young children some as soon as they can

6:12

talk. They might say phrases such as I'm a

6:14

girl or I'm a boy. or I'm going to be

6:16

a woman or I'm going to be a mom,

6:18

kids know very, very early. So in the

6:20

Jones Clinic, we see a variety of children

6:22

all the way down to ages two and

6:24

three and usually up to the ages

6:26

of nine. When they come into the clinic, they'll

6:28

see one of our psychology and we'll

6:30

be talking to them about their

6:32

gender. We'll be talking to their family about how

6:34

to best support that child and how to make

6:36

sure that that child has the space

6:38

and stuff port to explore their gender

6:41

and do well throughout their development.

6:43

A gender affirming hysterectomy is very

6:45

similar to most hysterectomies that

6:47

occur.

6:48

Histerectomy itself is the removal

6:50

of the uris, the cervix, which is the

6:52

opening of the uris, and the fallopian

6:54

tubes which are attached to the lives of the uterus.

6:57

Some gender affirming hystectinies will also

6:59

include the removal of the ovaries, but that's

7:01

technically a separate procedure called a

7:03

bilateral movement. And not

7:05

every gender affirming hysterectomy includes

7:06

that, and people who are getting gender affirming

7:09

hysterectomies do not have to have their ovaries

7:11

removed. Are

7:12

you kidding me? We're being

7:14

told by these so called medical professionals

7:16

that a five year old girl who likes playing

7:18

with trucks. Or

7:20

in my case, as a young girl

7:22

who likes martial arts or

7:24

a little boy who's interested in his sister's

7:27

Barbie dolls that these are actually really

7:29

cries for medical intervention and

7:31

possibly irreversible sex

7:33

change surgery. This

7:36

is how dangerous It

7:38

is what

7:39

we're talking about. What's happening here. Now

7:41

we have recorded phone calls and

7:44

a since removed web page that shows

7:46

the Children's National Hospital in Washington

7:48

DC was offering so called

7:50

gender affirming hysterectomies to children

7:52

younger than six sixteen. If

7:55

you do it for sixteen year olds, then yes, I'd

7:57

love to schedule an

7:59

appointment, a

7:59

consultation, whatever you need.

8:01

if if you don't mind me asking,

8:04

what

8:05

is your child gender changing

8:07

to? So I can point you to the right

8:09

direction. Yeah. Well, he

8:12

transitioned to a male.

8:14

You know, he already had the top

8:16

surgery, and now we're looking

8:18

for the

8:19

hysterectomy.

8:20

Okay. Beautiful. So I'm gonna transfer

8:22

you to the GYN

8:25

nurse line. One of the nurses will give

8:27

you a call to give

8:29

you more information and to

8:31

let you know the steps and

8:33

the protocol that they do for that.

8:35

Okay? Okay. So

8:37

so they do so they would do it

8:40

for for that age?

8:42

Yes.

8:45

Okay. Great. Is it a

8:47

common procedure that you guys do

8:49

for for that age?

8:52

Yes. We have all

8:55

different type of age groups that comes in

8:56

private. For the for

8:59

the hysterectomy?

9:01

Yes, ma'am. Okay. Just

9:03

out

9:03

of curiosity, do you know, like, what's the youngest

9:05

age you would do it on?

9:07

Not sure, but

9:09

I have seen younger kids. And

9:11

I'm not, you

9:12

know, being a hip. I'm not not a favorite,

9:14

but I'm not seeing younger kids.

9:16

week younger than your child.

9:18

Get the gender affirming his

9:20

rectomy surgery? Yes.

9:23

Okay. Okay. I

9:25

really appreciate

9:26

your help. According to according

9:28

to a research paper that was

9:30

recently published to the journal, of the

9:32

American Medical Association pediatrics

9:34

show that there

9:34

has been a three hundred eighty nine

9:37

percent increase in children

9:39

receiving mastectomies. from

9:42

twenty

9:42

sixteen through twenty nineteen. I wanna say that

9:44

again, children receiving

9:47

mastectomies. The

9:49

UCLA School of Laws, Williams

9:52

Institute, published a study that found the

9:54

number of transgender youth in America

9:56

has doubled in

9:57

just the past five years. And when

9:59

you look at these statistics, you gotta realize

10:01

that this is not an

10:03

accident. This didn't just happen.

10:05

This is very intentional and it's the

10:07

consequence of this radical agenda

10:09

that is being pushed

10:10

on our kids. They're rejecting

10:12

rejecting the existence

10:14

of objective reality by

10:16

rejecting this most fundamental truth of

10:18

the differences between a biological

10:20

male and female. Now

10:22

even as there are no long term

10:24

studies on the effects of these dangerous

10:26

treatments on our kids, those in power and

10:28

government and so called

10:30

medical professionals continue to push

10:32

them. Many of the standard protocols

10:35

that they are pushing include

10:37

puberty blockers. and hormones, some of

10:39

which were just recently flagged by the FDA

10:41

because of their plausible link to

10:43

serious brain disorder. cognitive

10:46

problems. Now that hasn't stopped

10:49

president Biden from going and telling

10:51

parents that quote affirming your

10:53

child's identity is one of the most

10:55

powerful things you can do to keep them

10:57

safe. To parents

10:58

of transgender children, affirming

11:01

your childhood identity of one of the most powerful things

11:03

you can do to keep them safe and healthy. You've

11:05

got transgender US assistant

11:06

health secretary Rachel Levin claiming these

11:09

dangerous treatments act empower our

11:11

youth and that any descent,

11:14

anyone

11:14

saying otherwise, is

11:16

driven by

11:17

political motives. Trans

11:20

Youth need to be supported.

11:22

They need to be affirmed.

11:25

They

11:25

need to be empowered. There

11:28

is no argument about

11:30

the value and the importance of gender

11:32

affirming care. There is no argument. A lot

11:34

of that is political I think that there

11:36

are people that are using transgender

11:38

individuals as a wedge issue. And so

11:40

that is precipitating some of

11:42

the very challenging in

11:44

difficult pills in

11:46

in in many of the states. This

11:49

angers me so much because of who

11:51

is being harmed

11:52

by these people in the most

11:54

powerful offices in this country.

11:56

What they are saying could not

11:58

be further from the truth. Now,

12:00

the study from the international review of

12:03

psychiatry found that eighty percent of those

12:05

who identify as transgender and

12:07

seek medical intervention eventually

12:10

lose their desire to identify

12:12

as the opposite sex. Countless

12:15

so called transgender youth have grown

12:17

to deeply regret their decision,

12:20

citing it as the worst mistake

12:22

of their lives. At

12:24

age eleven, Chloe Cole was just a

12:26

girl living in Central Valley, California

12:28

where, like, a lot of kids, she grew up roughhousing with

12:30

their older brothers. Playing outside

12:32

in the dirt, playing video games, she was

12:34

a tomboy. She

12:35

found herself relating more to

12:38

boys, struggling to make friends with

12:40

girls

12:40

and just not really fitting in

12:42

at school. She

12:44

got on her phone and started looking

12:46

at social media and and

12:48

she heard people telling her, well,

12:50

you're obviously a boy stuck in a girl's

12:53

body. Chloe

12:54

told her family and her friends that she

12:56

was a boy named Leo,

12:58

and she began her medical transition at

13:00

just thirteen years old.

13:02

Shortly after that, she had a double

13:05

mastectomy. Her

13:06

breasts cut off at

13:08

age fifteen. after

13:09

she had this surgery, she began

13:12

to feel a deep sense of

13:14

regret. And that

13:15

is what began her journey

13:18

to de transition.

13:20

I realize after maturing a

13:22

bit more and a child does not, in fact, know

13:24

who they are. twelve years old.

13:26

I realized that I wanted to be

13:28

what I always was and forever

13:30

will be

13:31

a woman. with this

13:33

realization came a series

13:34

of challenges that were far worse than the transition.

13:38

Somehow, I had to get myself off these drugs

13:40

until everyone in my entire life

13:42

that I was not who I said I was.

13:44

My parents were shocked and felt like they

13:46

filled me on every level imaginable.

13:49

friends all turned against me because I was evidence that

13:51

their beliefs were aligned. I was in

13:53

stroke. I was a fraud. I was

13:55

many years behind in development and capable

13:57

and feeding incapable of eating my

13:59

future children and worst of all,

14:01

completely alone. What's

14:03

good to see you again? Yeah. It's really this

14:05

is really cool. I

14:09

I knew you were gonna be speaking in

14:11

Nashville when we were there. Yeah.

14:13

You know, have seen

14:15

your videos on

14:16

social media and

14:17

and, I mean, gosh,

14:20

press conferences, all kinds of stuff, but it was

14:22

really powerful to hear you speak

14:24

in person. Thank

14:24

you. How do you feel? How do you feel about

14:27

everything going on? There's a lot going on.

14:29

There is a lot going on. It's it's

14:31

really excited, and I'm

14:32

just I feel

14:34

blessed to be able to be involved in

14:36

all this really.

14:37

Yeah. Some

14:38

people might say, might

14:41

might have a more negative view. You've been through a lot of

14:44

challenges. It's really powerful

14:46

to hear you say that you feel

14:48

blessed to have the opportunity to kinda

14:50

be the voice that you are. What

14:52

what

14:52

is that? So so I know

14:54

you've got some big news what's

14:58

happening right now? What's what's the thing that you're

15:00

focused on and and you're trying to

15:02

push?

15:02

So

15:04

Recently, I testified

15:06

in front of the Florida Board of Health for

15:08

a second time,

15:09

and they

15:11

ended up past a senior rule that would ban

15:13

general from incare miners. So

15:15

that was a that was a pretty big

15:17

win. Yeah. So you had

15:19

you had pretty significant role to play in that. Tell

15:21

me a little bit about, like, how did

15:23

you how did

15:24

you get there? When when was the first

15:26

time you went and and talked to them? There

15:28

there

15:28

there there are two events. It was one

15:30

one was a private meeting with the Board of Health and

15:32

the other was a testimony in front of

15:35

the in

15:36

in a courtroom. But Okay.

15:39

And and it was so

15:41

this rule change had

15:44

to

15:44

do with making it so that

15:46

miners would be prohibited

15:48

from going through

15:50

as medical transition. Is

15:52

that right? Yeah. The first one

15:54

was having to do with the Medicaid

15:56

bill banning Medicaid

15:59

coverage

15:59

for for

16:01

gender affirming of care.

16:03

Okay. And then when when when did

16:05

that happen? This was I

16:09

believe in June

16:12

or August. Oh, wow. So it's

16:14

been a it's been a busy year for you. July

16:16

or August that's pretty incredible

16:18

to see how

16:20

in just a few months period

16:22

of time you, like, you know, obviously I've worked

16:24

in politics and it is frustratingly

16:27

slow most of the time.

16:29

And so, you know, you introduce a bill one year.

16:31

It might take you five, six years just to

16:33

get it passed through congress or even

16:35

sometimes at the state legislative level.

16:37

So it's a it's pretty

16:39

cool. It's gotta be pretty cool for you

16:41

to see just over the span of less than

16:43

a year that kind of

16:45

change being made that will really

16:47

impact so many people. Yeah.

16:48

I can't really say that I

16:50

expected This kind of

16:52

simple doing it so quickly.

16:53

A reason that I was gonna be

16:56

doing this I mean, not to Yeah. If you told

16:58

me at the beginning of the year that

16:59

this is what I was gonna be doing, I

17:01

I wouldn't I wouldn't believe you. Yeah.

17:04

You know, I've I've

17:05

read obviously a little bit about your story

17:07

the first time that I

17:09

heard your voice and saw you was a video that

17:11

I think you just did yourself on your iPhone

17:13

and put out on Twitter. and

17:17

I don't know when this was,

17:19

but I feel like it was maybe a

17:21

couple of years ago.

17:23

So you said this was a like, shot

17:25

on iPhone. Right? It seems like You might be

17:27

you might be you might be speaking about one of my

17:29

one of my first live interviews.

17:32

Oh, that might be it. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was with

17:35

the Loring Room Show. Okay.

17:37

So so that that first time that you

17:39

spoke out publicly, what

17:41

was going through your mind? How

17:43

were you preparing? And did

17:45

you know what what did

17:47

you think the response would be?

17:51

So, I

17:52

mean, before I

17:55

started

17:55

speaking out publicly, I already knew that there

17:57

would be kind of a negative

17:59

back

17:59

there would be sort of a backlash

18:02

from other transgender people and

18:04

activists because I had already

18:06

experienced it in in

18:08

my private life. I mean, before I even went public

18:10

with this and very early in my deep

18:12

transition. And even before once I started

18:15

expressing, like, regret and that I didn't like how

18:17

it made me look in the health issues that

18:19

is bringing me. I would

18:23

other transgender people would

18:25

start to get aggressive with me

18:27

and start to tell me, oh, you

18:28

deserve this and you

18:31

you You're you're

18:32

not you weren't stupid. You knew what you were

18:35

doing to yourself, and they were telling

18:37

me that

18:38

by speaking out about the

18:41

how

18:43

transitioning has negative effect and

18:46

affected

18:46

me. Yeah. I was

18:48

harming other real transgender

18:51

people And, you

18:53

know, I I didn't wanna cause problems

18:55

for other people. And, I mean,

18:57

I didn't wanna get all this negative attention.

18:59

just

18:59

for speaking about it. And so I

19:02

actually went and saw it for a little bit and

19:04

I stopped talking about my experiences for a

19:06

little bit until I realized

19:09

that I was being silent and that

19:11

what was happening to me is a very real

19:13

thing and it's

19:15

happening to other people as well and I can't

19:17

just stay silent about it. And

19:20

so even though I

19:22

knew that, there might be

19:24

a negative reaction from it and

19:26

that I might me losing friends over it, that

19:29

somebody I don't know who

19:31

else is gonna speak out on it, so it's it's

19:34

a responsibility

19:34

that I have to take upon myself. Amazing.

19:38

Have you found others as you've

19:40

gone through this process who -- Yeah. --

19:42

are of the few who've had the the courage

19:44

to speak out?

19:46

Yeah. So after

19:48

I do transition, I started seeking

19:52

support from groups online. but

19:55

it wasn't really until I made

19:57

my Twitter and started speaking out

19:59

publicly

19:59

that I It

20:03

started with,

20:03

like, a bunch of a bunch of

20:06

parents and

20:07

concerned

20:08

adults. People knew, like, trans

20:11

identified kids and teens.

20:14

speaking

20:15

to me coming forward to

20:17

me with their own stories. But then

20:20

eventually, there

20:21

I started getting messages from

20:24

dtransitioners and seeing other dtransitioners pop

20:26

up. And At

20:28

first, it was

20:30

mostly, like, adults. People would transition

20:32

the anti transition as adults.

20:34

And so eventually, I've I

20:37

ended up meeting a

20:40

few

20:40

people who transitioned as Smiders

20:43

actually literally have gone through

20:44

what you went through. Yeah.

20:46

think

20:47

that was one of the things that as I learned a little bit more about

20:49

your background and your story that that

20:51

even I identified with that you grew

20:53

up, how many older how many siblings do you

20:56

have? I

20:56

have four siblings all over the

20:59

me. Okay. And

20:59

they're they're all boys? Two

21:02

boys,

21:03

two girls. Okay. I

21:05

grew

21:05

up with older brothers and I was a Tomboy growing up.

21:07

I have three older brothers and younger sister

21:10

and you

21:12

know, there was a period in my life where I was or, you know,

21:14

I was eleven, twelve, thirteen years

21:16

old, and I was just like, man,

21:19

like, all like, my brothers are having

21:21

a lot more fun than a lot of my female

21:23

friends are. And I just

21:25

I just wanna have nothing to do with it. like,

21:27

yeah, I wanna go and do what the boys are doing. This is

21:30

awesome. And

21:32

really, really, truly, truly was a

21:35

very serious Tomboy. I was into martial arts and

21:37

had short hair and just like the whole thing.

21:39

I was just like, yeah. Whatever the girls are doing,

21:41

it was it was not interesting to

21:43

me. Yeah. whatsoever. It's

21:47

how it was for me growing up. What did

21:49

you like to do when you're when you're

21:51

a kid? I

21:51

wasn't really, like, a like

21:54

a

21:54

physical sort of combo. Like, I mostly just, like,

21:56

stayed inside, played video games, stood alopulation,

21:58

things like Yeah.

21:59

I was sort of more nerdy sort.

22:04

So what

22:07

what

22:08

happened then? Like, so you're

22:10

you're eleven years old? And

22:12

how do

22:12

you go from being a nerdy kid,

22:15

playing video games, having fun,

22:17

to then beginning this

22:20

journey that you've been on now

22:22

since then. The

22:23

Internet. That's how, really. So

22:25

I got my I

22:28

got my first phone when I

22:30

was eleven. And very

22:32

quickly after I started using social

22:35

media, obviously. because I wanted

22:36

to connect with other people my age

22:39

and I

22:41

mean, everybody

22:43

else my age had phone

22:45

and was using Instagram and Snapchat and

22:47

things like that. So I

22:50

made an Instagram account for

22:52

myself and

22:56

I didn't really have a

22:58

whole lot of friends at school. Like, sometimes I

23:00

would follow the people from school, but I was

23:03

mostly I

23:05

started to make I started

23:08

to get involved in online communities

23:10

more. I

23:12

mean, by this

23:14

point, I had

23:16

I had

23:18

just moved to to a

23:21

new school and I didn't really have a whole lot of friends in person.

23:23

I didn't really get along with

23:25

the people around me and I

23:27

was kinda getting mistreated both by

23:30

other students and staff. So I just

23:32

I turned to the Internet and

23:36

Very

23:36

quickly after I started making social media

23:38

was when I started seeing, like,

23:40

a lot of LGBTQ

23:44

content. This was

23:47

after

23:50

LGBT LGBTQ started to

23:52

become a a

23:53

trending topic. This was maybe, like, two thousand

23:56

fifteen, two thousand sixteen. So

24:02

in these online

24:02

communities, I like I said earlier, I was

24:05

kind of nerd. I liked I liked video games,

24:07

demos, things like that. And in these

24:09

communities around these these

24:12

series and games that I

24:14

liked. For some reason, there seemed to be a

24:16

lot of, like, teenagers who identified

24:19

as like, transgender, non

24:22

binary, bisexual, things like

24:24

that. And

24:27

I started

24:28

slowly getting more exposed to

24:31

just

24:31

general LGBTQ content.

24:35

Right. And eventually, it's

24:37

to the point that I was seeing

24:39

a lot of, like, other trans

24:41

identified feet teenage females,

24:43

my age. Like, around, like,

24:45

twelve to nineteen years old. And

24:48

it was it

24:49

was always females who

24:51

identified

24:52

as boys.

24:54

And sounds pretty

24:57

targeted. Yeah. It stuck

24:59

out to me how they

25:01

seem to be so happy with

25:04

themselves by doing

25:05

this and how

25:08

they seem to have a community people who

25:11

really cared about them and really had their

25:13

backs and that

25:15

their

25:17

it was

25:18

almost kind of hopeful in that, like,

25:20

their their families were

25:22

accepting them and

25:27

you know, as a as a kid who didn't

25:30

really have a whole lot of friends and was always

25:32

kinda like a it's kinda on the

25:34

Tom Boyish side and was

25:36

a little bit awkward. That's

25:38

lol something

25:41

that I subconsciously wish

25:45

for myself a little bit. Sure.

25:46

I didn't realize it at the time,

25:49

but

25:50

that's natural. you

25:53

know, especially as you said, if you're not if you're

25:55

not finding those friends, you're not finding

25:57

that community in that place where you thought you

25:59

fit in -- Yeah. -- anywhere else.

26:04

seeing it through the lens of of social

26:06

media, right, where things are

26:08

obviously very curated and

26:11

both by people who are posting content,

26:13

but also by the social media algorithms

26:16

themselves, pushing things

26:18

towards you The

26:19

algorithm was very aggressive, especially on Instagram. Yeah.

26:22

You've talked a little bit

26:24

about go

26:26

ahead. I

26:27

just made an account for an official account

26:29

for Instagram and the only information that

26:31

I put in was that I was eighteen years old

26:33

and female and my whole explore feed

26:36

was I would say,

26:37

like, a third of it was, like, women,

26:40

my age who were, like, and,

26:43

like, very, like, sexualized poses

26:46

or clothing. I mean, a

26:48

lot of them are wearing a lot of makeup or,

26:50

like, they've they

26:51

are very, like, idealized bodies. Some of them

26:54

have, like, obviously, had, like,

26:56

worked on on their faces or

26:58

bodies. And that's been a thing for a

27:00

while, actually. And because

27:02

I started using social media at at the young

27:04

age, I was exposed to stuff like that

27:06

pretty young. And, you know,

27:08

I was just I

27:11

was I was only eleven

27:14

when I first started to

27:16

really see this and you

27:18

know, I was barely a few years in puberty and I didn't really look

27:20

like an adult, but

27:22

I started to develop

27:23

some body image issues because I didn't

27:26

understand that. even

27:28

if I

27:28

didn't look that way, I wasn't exactly supposed

27:30

to look a

27:31

certain way because I mean, I was

27:33

only so old and I mean, there's a lot

27:36

of unrealistic images

27:38

on on line anyways.

27:40

For women

27:41

of any age, what to speak of

27:43

kids,

27:43

eleven years old. And even

27:46

for men,

27:46

Yeah. Exactly. Same. So

27:49

at what point did you

27:51

start to

27:52

the kind of go

27:54

from, you know, exploring what was on

27:57

social media and seeing these people

27:59

who, you

27:59

know, you said seemed to

28:01

they they seemed to look happy

28:03

Right?

28:03

They seem to to have find

28:07

some place of of being where they

28:09

they belonged. What

28:11

happened

28:11

next? with

28:13

the

28:13

algorithm recommending that stuff to me

28:15

so aggressively and just

28:18

having me be exposed to it for

28:20

for

28:21

so long as such an impression as such an impressionable

28:24

age, I feel like it was only really a

28:26

natural progression that

28:29

eventually down the line, I

28:31

started to question my

28:32

own sexuality, my own gender

28:35

identity,

28:35

and starts changed

28:37

my

28:37

expression a little bit,

28:40

you know,

28:42

since I didn't fit in with other

28:44

girls and I

28:46

didn't look a certain way and

28:49

I thought there was something wrong

28:51

with me. It started to

28:53

the

28:53

idea that maybe

28:56

I

28:57

wasn't a girl and that I was actually

29:00

a boy started to make sense

29:02

to me. How

29:04

did

29:04

you change your expression? It

29:06

started with cutting my

29:08

hair shorter and

29:10

buying buy more boys

29:13

clothing. Yeah. Near eleven

29:14

at the time?

29:16

Twelve.

29:16

I

29:17

was twelve when I started when I

29:20

started I didn't find a transgender. What

29:23

can can you just share a little bit

29:25

of what what your

29:28

conversation with your parents was like around

29:30

this time. because I mean, obviously, it's

29:32

very confusing and, you know, you're trying

29:34

to figure things out. I'm sure they were trying to

29:36

figure things. Yeah.

29:39

It took a while for

29:41

me to come out to them actually. I

29:44

I wasn't exactly sure how they would react,

29:47

so at first to just start with me coming out

29:49

to some other

29:51

family members and some

29:53

people who I was closer to

29:56

at school. And then eventually down the

29:58

line, I came out to my I I wrote a

29:59

letter to my parents, and

30:02

I left on the dining room table

30:04

and The reason why

30:06

I wrote a letter instead of having

30:10

conversation

30:10

starting conversation

30:12

first face to face,

30:14

was because I mean,

30:17

it was kind of an intimidating

30:19

confession you make to that. because it's a big

30:20

it's a it's

30:23

a It was

30:26

a victim

30:29

to admit, and

30:32

I

30:32

wasn't I wasn't sure whether they would react

30:34

negatively or positively. And

30:37

I kinda

30:37

went to allow them some time to think

30:39

about it as well. And

30:42

so I let them meet

30:43

over and then eventually we had the conversation

30:45

in person and they

30:47

were supportive of me. They

30:51

one and what was

30:52

best for me, but they

30:54

weren't really sure how to go

30:56

about it because, I mean,

30:59

they're they're

31:00

just weren't

31:03

our people. This wasn't really their expertise.

31:05

And it was yeah. It totally wasn't -- Yeah. --

31:07

a new thing at the time. This was

31:09

what, like, twenty

31:11

seventeen, I think, when I came out to them.

31:14

So it

31:14

wasn't being talked about nearly as much

31:17

as it is now. And there

31:19

were people who have

31:20

be transitioned, like, speaking out about the

31:22

negative effects of it. Right? Then

31:26

so there wasn't nearly as

31:28

much information on

31:28

this. Always

31:30

non bias information. Not it.

31:32

Yeah.

31:32

Exactly. And I think it's

31:35

so, you know, we we hear this term

31:37

gender affirming care being

31:39

thrown around left and right,

31:41

obviously, in the media,

31:44

in legislation that's

31:46

being proposed even,

31:48

of course, the, you know,

31:50

the head of health and human

31:52

services at the federal level. talking

31:54

about, hey, it's so important for

31:56

parents and schools and

31:58

so on, society

31:59

to provide even the government to

32:02

provide gender affirming care,

32:05

which,

32:05

you know,

32:06

know whether your

32:07

parents or teachers, you are caring

32:10

for kids and young people and you want

32:12

what's best for them, but the

32:14

term is is very misleading.

32:17

It is how how was

32:18

it? So so obviously, you know, your parents

32:21

want what's best for you and and are

32:23

seeking some kind of expert guidance

32:26

and help

32:27

the who

32:28

did you find who did you find to talk

32:30

to as a family to help you

32:32

through this? They

32:35

started with a a

32:38

child psychiatrist because, I mean, it really is a

32:40

mental health issue. Right.

32:42

And

32:46

they

32:48

they they

32:48

got that right, but

32:51

it actually

32:53

was a

32:55

mistake because

32:57

they wanted

32:59

to figure out my parents, they

33:01

wanted to figure out why I felt this way

33:04

and what to

33:05

do about these these feelings.

33:08

But

33:09

the

33:12

that

33:12

wasn't what happened at all. It was just affirmation

33:14

from then on. No question. Was

33:18

there

33:18

anyone who's

33:19

a medical professional at

33:22

every step of

33:23

the way who

33:25

the

33:26

actually communicated to

33:29

you. Okay.

33:29

Here's, you know, here here are the

33:32

actual, like, medical, physical, biological

33:35

consequences of of what those who

33:37

are pushing this this gender

33:39

affirming care, maybe it

33:41

weren't telling you. Yeah.

33:43

So for every step in my medical transition,

33:46

like the like my

33:46

double mastectomy or the hormones and

33:49

blockers, I was given consent forms

33:51

with side effects listed,

33:53

but a lot of it was just very

33:56

vague. Mhmm. And, I mean, there's Was it

33:58

kind of like, you know, when you see the prescription

33:59

drug commercials on TV,

34:01

and they're like, oh, here's this beauty -- Yeah. -- a

34:03

rosy picture of, you know, a family

34:05

frolicking through the meadow in a beautiful sunny day, and

34:07

then you have this like, really, like,

34:09

I don't know, kind of

34:12

deep sounding voicing. Oh, by the way, you

34:14

know, you may have one of these a hundred

34:18

side effects Yeah. You're seeing this image. You're like, wait,

34:20

something's not matching

34:22

up here. Not only were the side effects

34:24

listed very vague,

34:27

It wasn't a fully comprehensive

34:28

list.

34:30

There were side effects

34:33

and all listed that I

34:35

ended up experiencing online. and, I

34:38

mean,

34:38

with

34:39

so many of the listed, you don't

34:41

know

34:41

which ones you're going to get. And,

34:43

I mean, right, I

34:45

was a perfectly

34:46

healthy girl before, so I didn't think

34:48

that I would really experience

34:50

any of this. And,

34:52

you know,

34:53

I was I was

34:55

a kid. I was barely thirteen when I

34:57

started on on testosterone

35:00

and blockers. And I mean,

35:04

When you did tell

35:04

you that they would do, what did they tell you

35:06

that those would do? Because we hear, you know, all these I

35:09

and I I'm curious, and I think a lot of

35:11

people are really curious about You

35:13

know, we hear these terms hormone blockers, puberty

35:16

blockers, chemical castration,

35:18

but it's it's what

35:20

did they tell you? Like, okay,

35:23

take this because it's

35:25

going to do what

35:27

and why.

35:28

We're basically told that

35:30

the the blockers would just be blockers

35:32

would just be would just put a

35:34

hold on my purity

35:35

in that their that

35:38

their reversible Actually,

35:40

I don't know if that was told to

35:41

me specifically. I know that's what

35:44

they they I've

35:46

heard them say this. different

35:49

people say this, that they are reversible. Well,

35:51

my

35:52

case is kinda weird

35:54

because

35:56

the I started

35:58

blockers only a

35:59

month before testosterone and they're

36:02

prescribed

36:03

together. Why

36:06

was that weird?

36:09

Usually, they

36:11

they promote blockers as like a

36:13

way of pausing puberty and a way for the child

36:15

to just, like, decide

36:19

the whether they want

36:21

to

36:21

go with their their actual appeared dealer or

36:23

go with the

36:27

the pure an artificial

36:30

peer view more like the opposite

36:32

sex. Right? So that's not how it works

36:34

because there's no there's no

36:36

development at

36:38

that time. I

36:38

mean, there's the sex hormones are involved in brain involvement.

36:40

And if there's no and if

36:42

the brain involvement is hindered during that time,

36:44

then how can they possibly make that decision?

36:47

So

36:48

true. But I

36:52

think the

36:52

reason why they put me

36:55

on blockers was just to clear

36:57

my my body of the natural sex hormones

37:00

before I

37:02

wanted

37:03

testosterone because at

37:05

that time you had made your decision

37:07

and you wanted to move forward.

37:10

Yeah. And they

37:10

they they actually broke the guy their

37:12

guidelines at the time in doing this Wow.

37:14

What were they telling you? Were they encouraging

37:16

you? Were they what

37:18

were they telling you as as you

37:20

were embarking on this?

37:23

What do you mean by that?

37:25

I guess, I'm just

37:26

wondering is if you're going in and you're talking to

37:28

them saying this is what I wanna do, you

37:31

know, I'm

37:34

curious

37:34

about what their what

37:36

their

37:36

reaction is in just saying, okay,

37:38

well, this is what you want, here's what you

37:40

do, or Yeah. That was pretty much how it was.

37:43

There was, like, there wasn't, like, any

37:45

real questioning, Seth. The first I

37:47

met my cardiologist who I had been recommended

37:49

to actually barred me from going

37:52

on to get a prescription

37:54

for blockosome testosterone because he's

37:56

he knew that this

37:58

was developmentally inappropriate, that I was

38:00

too young to be going on

38:03

these. And he said that there would be concerns

38:05

there may

38:05

be concerns for my brain

38:08

involvement. He's they

38:10

don't know how the how

38:12

how these treatments

38:13

affect adolescent brain development.

38:17

But I mean,

38:18

As much

38:20

as I should listens,

38:22

as much as they shouldn't listens I

38:25

didn't because every other every

38:28

other source I had

38:30

in every other medical professional who I who

38:32

was involved with

38:34

this was pushing

38:35

this as

38:38

the treatment.

38:40

Yeah.

38:42

No one really asking questions.

38:44

Yeah. And even

38:46

with the supposed

38:48

informed consent I gave, I

38:55

mean,

38:55

i will

38:58

the all the side effects

38:59

given on those on those forums,

39:02

they were

39:06

the

39:06

forms were comprehensive and, I mean, you

39:08

know, since I was so young,

39:10

it was like and

39:12

and healthy before I even started on

39:14

this. I was I was perfectly

39:16

healthy before I started on this. It destroyed my health. Yeah.

39:20

Yeah. I mean, I'm just imagining some of

39:21

my friends who have eleven and twelve year

39:24

old kids. and imagining

39:26

them sitting in a doctor's office

39:28

being given all of these forms

39:30

to read over and to

39:33

just, you know, I know adults who have a hard time going

39:35

through and actually understanding

39:38

what they're being told by a medical professional

39:42

you know, having to try to figure out what what does this

39:44

all actually mean in

39:46

real

39:46

life? Not just what's on the paper, but

39:48

but in real lives, I it's it's hard

39:51

to imagine the position that

39:54

you were in. Yeah.

39:56

early on damage Especially on

39:58

age. I

40:01

remember being in

40:02

the room by a

40:03

technologist and she

40:06

asked me,

40:10

Are you aware that this may affect your fertility down one?

40:14

And at

40:14

the time, I said,

40:17

well, I

40:18

don't really want kids because I was a thirteen year old

40:20

girl.

40:21

I wasn't thinking about having kids.

40:23

Some people don't even know that they would

40:25

have kids and so they're While

40:28

until the thirties or forties, how did a thirteen old girl make

40:31

that decision?

40:34

Exactly.

40:37

There was

40:38

a proposition that was

40:41

recently passed, a proposal that was

40:43

just passed in Michigan this

40:46

past election day. You've you've familiar with

40:48

proposal three?

40:50

I believe I've heard of it.

40:52

It it basically it basically

40:55

says

40:55

that parents

40:58

don't have a right to

41:00

consent or or

41:01

even be informed

41:03

if their child decides to go through

41:06

this kind

41:06

of transition. They

41:10

specifically refer to they

41:12

don't say a minor or a young child or refer to any

41:14

age, they specifically change the

41:16

language through a constitutional amendment to

41:20

refer to the

41:22

individual rather

41:24

so so without without any age

41:26

reference or anything else,

41:28

the it

41:30

takes away any right and responsibility that parents have

41:33

to have a say in

41:35

and provide consent

41:38

or even be aware of this happening. It's

41:41

just stripping parents

41:42

of the rights. Yeah.

41:45

It's so horrible. They told my parents

41:48

that if they didn't

41:50

allow

41:50

me to transition, I would be at risk of suicide

41:54

when III

41:56

was never suicidal before

41:58

I transitioned

41:59

ever. It wasn't

42:00

your fault. I was just

42:03

just would just they they told your parents that without any kind

42:05

of indication or

42:07

assessment of you.

42:11

And,

42:13

yeah,

42:14

they gave my my

42:16

parents

42:17

as false premise of would

42:21

you rather have it a daughter or a life

42:23

son?

42:25

k. That just breaks

42:27

my heart

42:27

to hear that. I

42:30

cannot even imagine how they must have felt. How

42:33

does any parent make

42:36

that decision or respond

42:38

to that? and being

42:40

told that not by just some random person

42:42

on the street, but by someone who

42:44

is supposed to be

42:46

an expert.

42:48

they

42:48

course them to allowing us

42:51

just basically throughout everything that

42:53

we know about child development

42:56

and said, oh, she's old enough to know what she wants for herself. Children are

42:58

already know their their

43:00

gender by by a certain age,

43:02

so she knows what's good

43:04

for herself.

43:05

Wow.

43:09

It's so I mean, your story, Chloe, and your voice

43:12

on this is so important because I know that there are

43:15

other families and other kids who are

43:17

struggling

43:17

through this and

43:20

not having you

43:21

know, probably a lot of people I'd

43:24

imagine don't have someone that

43:26

they can go to and and have an honest

43:28

conversation. Someone they trust to will

43:30

tell them the truth about

43:32

what to expect or, you know,

43:34

here's what the doctors of those social

43:36

media people or, you know, whatever are

43:39

saying and think that's one of the most dangerous things

43:41

about this is when we're

43:43

talking about something that

43:44

I mean, what what you've gone through

43:46

has changed your life forever.

43:49

that it can't be undone, and

43:51

it can't be reversed,

43:54

and

43:54

to have such a culture

43:58

of fear be

43:58

created where an honest dialogue

43:59

is not even really allowed, what

44:02

to speak

44:04

of encouraged.

44:05

the you

44:06

know, it it is harming of course, the most

44:09

in parents and families as

44:12

well. And and that that to

44:14

me is just the most

44:18

it's the most dangerous

44:20

part about this for a

44:22

society and people in power

44:24

who claimed to care about the most vulnerable

44:26

who claimed to care about our kids.

44:28

That everyone should stand together and

44:30

take care of our kids and

44:33

and using this term

44:35

gender affirming care as a

44:37

means of bullying people

44:40

or worse using the force of law to say, hey, parents, if you

44:42

don't. And I saw a document from the

44:44

federal government that basically

44:46

said this, that

44:48

if parents are quote gender affirming

44:51

care, that child protective

44:53

services may become

44:56

involved. and this has

44:57

happened. I know several people

45:00

who have lost their children,

45:02

lost custody of their children

45:04

to another parent or even to the

45:06

state for not affirming their

45:08

child's gender identity. And

45:10

what is that? Is it that

45:12

they're saying, no, we're not gonna allow

45:14

our child to go through puberty block occurs

45:16

in surgery? Or is it less Or even just

45:17

referring to their child by the the wrong

45:20

earlier, their their their given name

45:24

by accident it can be

45:26

something as little as that. This is so frightening

45:29

and and disturbing. you've

45:32

talked a little bit about, you know, the impact of

45:35

the social contagion on

45:37

everything that's happening here. Can you talk about

45:40

kind of your experience with that and

45:42

what that means and the

45:44

effects. Yeah.

45:44

For me, I

45:46

would really say that. I

45:49

was mostly influenced by social media,

45:51

but

45:53

by

45:56

When I

45:56

first started transitioning, I was kind of like

45:58

the token transgender kid at school.

45:59

There weren't really a whole lot of there weren't a

46:02

whole lot

46:04

of other

46:06

Actually, no

46:06

nobody else was

46:08

transgender. I

46:09

was I was I was in middle school

46:11

when I started transitioning both socially

46:14

and medically. It wasn't until I would say maybe

46:16

my sophomore year of high school that I started

46:18

noticing other teenage girls were

46:20

starting to

46:22

identify as LGBTQ

46:24

and especially TQ. A lot of them were

46:28

starting to identify it

46:30

as non

46:30

binary or experiment with different

46:34

pronouns or even start calling

46:36

themselves voice.

46:38

Mhmm. And

46:38

it was it was never

46:41

it was never voice it

46:42

was always girls who did this. I never knew any trans

46:45

girls at school. It was always just

46:47

it was it was I it was teenage girls

46:49

who identify as

46:52

boys. Why do you think that

46:54

why do you think that is is?

46:57

i'm I

46:59

would think

46:59

that I would

47:02

be

47:02

factors similar to mine, like,

47:04

body image issues, social media,

47:07

things like that. Right? What was it

47:09

that that drove you

47:12

to

47:12

kind of take the big step

47:16

past puberty blockers and

47:18

testosterone to actually

47:22

have surgery.

47:24

So

47:26

I

47:28

i am before

47:31

I

47:31

got the surgery, A

47:34

few months

47:34

after I started taking

47:37

testosterone in blockers, I

47:39

started binding, which means I

47:43

was

47:43

using a compression device called a binder to

47:46

sort of

47:46

like flatten the appearance of

47:48

my chest and had my breasts

47:52

Because obviously, I

47:54

was I

47:55

was trying to present as, you know,

47:57

a male and I didn't want that part

47:59

of my

47:59

body to to be exposed

48:02

because that would that would help me as as

48:04

actually being a female.

48:06

Right. But

48:08

Usually, people

48:10

start doing this before they go

48:12

the medical route, but I

48:14

was I thought it was

48:16

small enough for not for not to be no

48:18

but it wasn't until I had been

48:20

actually groped in within a school

48:24

classroom that I

48:26

realized

48:27

that wasn't true. And I decided

48:31

that

48:32

I didn't I

48:36

didn't want that to happen to me again. And

48:38

I I was scared that for

48:40

as long

48:40

as my breasts were visible to

48:42

the world that I would be at risk of

48:44

being assaulted and I decided to

48:47

start hiding that part

48:50

of myself. And this

48:54

went on for about two years. I was

48:56

using a binder for two

48:58

years and

49:00

it

49:00

was a very uncomfortable experience

49:02

actually because, I mean, it's a compression device. It

49:06

was, like,

49:08

It

49:10

was very

49:13

sweaty. Like, it it would stick to my skin while

49:15

I was like, Yeah.

49:18

Exercising or, like, swimming

49:22

or, like, walking

49:22

home from school. I live in a really

49:24

area of California. So on some days, some gets from, like, anywhere from,

49:26

like, ninety to a hundred and ten,

49:29

and I would just be walking home

49:31

that hot weather with this like

49:33

t shirt jeans and it's really hot

49:36

thing just squeezing

49:36

me my my torso and

49:40

I mean, over I got of Yeah. And I

49:43

wanted to stop. I

49:46

wanted to be free

49:46

of that and not have to do

49:50

that anymore. And, you know,

49:52

I

49:53

like I said,

49:55

I had I had

49:57

some body image issues. I

49:59

thought that my before

50:02

I transitioned,

50:03

I thought that my breasts were too

50:05

small for me to be

50:08

pretty and that it that it made me look like

50:10

a boy

50:11

because I

50:12

I had some very regressive

50:16

ideas about being a woman, and I wasn't really close

50:18

to other woman other other women in

50:20

my life. So I didn't really have anybody

50:24

to really dispel

50:25

or question those

50:27

ideas. But not only

50:30

that I have body image

50:32

issues, but after while

50:32

I was transitioning,

50:33

I genuinely believe that I

50:36

was a boy and I I

50:38

wanted to because

50:41

I believe this, I wanted to

50:43

look like the

50:44

the boys my age and be

50:46

able to, like, not have breast and,

50:49

like, be able to swim shirtless and,

50:51

like, just

50:51

hang out without a shirt.

50:54

And so I

50:56

started to

50:58

top surgery was presented as

50:59

no. A double

51:02

mastectomy. It's called top surgeries that you've

51:04

missing here.

51:06

Wow. Is that them just

51:08

trying to make it sound like

51:10

it's not as radical as it is?

51:12

Yeah. It's almost kind of childish

51:14

sounding like it's Yeah. Yeah.

51:16

It was it was presented

51:18

as an option for me, and

51:21

so I started to

51:24

seek it when I was I was in sophomore

51:25

year at this time, I was I was fifteen

51:28

years old.

51:31

and the purity

51:32

blockers I imagined were

51:34

doing their job

51:34

and the testosterone was doing

51:37

what it does. Yeah.

51:38

yeah

51:39

I was I only had about three or four shots

51:41

of the blockers, which continued for about,

51:43

like, a like a year or so, but I was on

51:45

the soft start for about

51:48

three years. So I was about this was about

51:50

the two year mark on testosterone when I

51:52

started seeking

51:54

the

51:55

double mastectomy. Yeah.

51:58

So this is this is

51:59

it seems like this is kinda like the

52:01

next big juncture in this

52:04

medical transition and

52:06

also another opportunity for

52:08

medical professionals to say,

52:10

okay, hold on a second. This is a very

52:12

serious procedure

52:14

Here are the ramifications

52:16

and consequences, and we will face.

52:19

The process

52:21

of actually getting

52:22

the surgery was very expedited. And they

52:25

really should have stopped to think

52:27

about what was really

52:29

going on because As

52:31

I went

52:32

further into transition, my

52:34

mental state was rapidly deteriorating.

52:37

Mhmm. So I

52:39

on

52:40

started to

52:42

experience

52:44

suicidal

52:44

thoughts and depression, and

52:47

I was diagnosed with social anxiety.

52:50

And I had a lot of things

52:51

going on, like,

52:54

well,

52:54

wow i I I

52:57

was presenting as male and

52:59

I actually I actually did pass

53:01

as the opposite sex and so

53:03

I became attractive to to

53:05

girls my age, but I was

53:07

still attracted to men, so I wasn't really interested in girls. And

53:10

all I did get sort of a feeling

53:11

of validation.

53:13

that somebody

53:15

was attracted to me.

53:16

I had I did not reciprocate

53:19

it at all, and so

53:20

my dating pool was very

53:22

limited. and

53:24

I got to watch my peers, like, me and go

53:27

with each other and get into relationships

53:29

while I was just completely

53:32

behind And

53:36

so that

53:36

was a pretty big thing that

53:38

I was missing out on.

53:40

m

53:42

Right? And I think that testosterone itself

53:44

and

53:44

just transitioning took

53:46

a huge

53:47

toll on me and it

53:51

started to affect my grades. I started filling a bunch of classes. I had

53:53

I'm pretty sure I had a

53:55

zero GPA at

53:58

some point. and this

53:59

kept

53:59

getting worse as I progressed through high

54:02

school. But there really

54:04

was

54:04

no questioning of that There

54:07

was no real psychological evaluation

54:10

during my consultations for the surgery.

54:14

And I was allowed

54:17

to go through

54:18

it.

54:22

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54:22

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54:23

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This is

56:26

just it's it's so

56:29

It it's

56:30

such a clear dereliction of duty

56:32

on the part of

56:33

these medical professionals. It's

56:36

like I I exactly. I hate I

56:38

can't even refer to them

56:40

as professionals because even though they work

56:42

in the profession of

56:44

medicine, it

56:44

is negligence. It's their election

56:46

of duty for them to not

56:50

uphold their own, you know, hippocratic

56:52

oath and to

56:54

make sure that

56:56

they're telling the truth and that

56:58

that any patient is able to make the best informed

57:00

decision

57:00

what to speak of

57:03

with a minor, with

57:06

a child.

57:06

the child still.

57:08

And no matter what they told

57:09

me, I would not have been able to consent

57:11

as a minor. Right.

57:15

Before I

57:15

went under the life, I was

57:17

I was informed that I would lose

57:19

my ability to breastfeed, but I was

57:22

fifteen at the time and I didn't really understand what

57:24

that meant because I mean,

57:26

you know, I was I was

57:27

in high school. I was I was

57:29

try I was struggling with my grades. I

57:31

was trying to, like, fit in. and

57:33

I had I had some trauma with the with sexual assault.

57:36

And I had a

57:38

lot of

57:38

i had a wider issues

57:41

that weren't

57:41

really being addressed. But

57:48

to expect you to, like, oh, so someday you wanna

57:50

have kids or not. It's just

57:52

you know, like like you said, a

57:55

lot of women don't know

57:58

that

57:58

well into their life.

58:00

It wasn't. And

58:01

so I took a class

58:03

on psychology and child development that I

58:05

really understand what that I really

58:07

start to understand what

58:10

not being

58:10

able to breastfeed might mean because

58:13

that was when I

58:15

learned that breastfeeding I mean, not

58:18

only not

58:18

only are breasts involved and

58:21

I mean, feeding the

58:24

child and they also

58:26

play a role in the bond between mother and

58:28

child and -- Yeah. --

58:30

I may

58:30

have might I might as

58:32

well have severed that by

58:34

having them removed.

58:35

And when I learned that, I

58:37

I had

58:38

a lot of

58:40

skill

58:42

What

58:42

was it that made you want to take

58:45

that class? I don't think there was

58:47

really any particular

58:48

reason. I was just told

58:50

that I remember

58:52

one of my one of my one of my classmates

58:54

was like, oh, you should take psychology. It's

58:56

it's really fun. And I mean,

58:58

it's really interesting because you're basically

59:01

learning about yourself and the

59:03

human race. So it wasn't

59:05

connected to anything that you were

59:07

going through necessarily. No. But

59:09

it was not changing.

59:12

Yeah.

59:12

Wow.

59:13

How did you after

59:16

you went through that class

59:18

did you feel comfortable talking to your

59:21

parents about what you were feeling then? what

59:23

you're feeling then

59:25

By this

59:27

point, my relationship with my parents is always strained and I didn't really

59:29

talk to them a

59:32

whole lot.

59:33

Who

59:38

helped you through this? Did it was

59:39

anyone there for you?

59:44

So

59:44

so

59:48

after after I finished that class, I

59:50

kind of had a period where I

59:52

was just I

59:54

just felt

59:54

really awful and I

59:58

started to

59:58

realize that I really

59:59

regretted my transition and

1:00:02

I was realizing that I was realizing what

1:00:04

it

1:00:04

would really mean for me and that

1:00:06

I was allowed to go through it when

1:00:08

I was really equipped to make that

1:00:12

kind of adult decision really, and it

1:00:14

wasn't until maybe about a few few

1:00:16

weeks after

1:00:18

that. I

1:00:20

I broke down

1:00:22

crying. I

1:00:24

I couldn't bear

1:00:25

to face my mom like that because

1:00:27

I didn't I had a lot of guilt.

1:00:29

I didn't want to It

1:00:31

was painful to admit to

1:00:33

them that this thing

1:00:36

that me and I mean, the

1:00:38

rest of my the rest of the

1:00:40

family was so invested in -- Right. -- was a was a huge

1:00:41

failure. And I

1:00:44

I felt like a

1:00:46

burden And

1:00:48

so

1:00:48

I could only I I couldn't even face my mom. I could only

1:00:50

manage to text her, and it

1:00:52

was a few days until we had

1:00:54

that face to face conversation. But

1:00:58

I was I was trying

1:01:00

to hear about how

1:01:02

I missed

1:01:03

my breast and I

1:01:05

wish that I was just allowed to

1:01:08

grow, and I miss

1:01:10

being my femininity.

1:01:12

And I didn't know if I

1:01:14

would ever be able to take it back, I just didn't know what to do

1:01:17

with myself, and it stayed that way

1:01:19

for quite a while. I

1:01:23

just kind of existed for a

1:01:25

bit not really knowing

1:01:26

what to do with myself until

1:01:30

I decided to seek online support

1:01:32

because I wasn't really seeing it from

1:01:34

anywhere else. I didn't point out to myself.

1:01:38

and

1:01:39

then I started to I I started

1:01:41

learning about detrenching and how

1:01:44

there's

1:01:45

how days I'm

1:01:47

I'm not

1:01:47

alone in this

1:01:50

process. Yeah.

1:01:51

But

1:01:52

to buy

1:01:54

my parents, they really

1:01:57

were about a loss of

1:01:59

what to do

1:01:59

with me

1:02:02

because, I

1:02:04

mean,

1:02:04

felt like a

1:02:06

huge

1:02:06

failure for them, for all of us.

1:02:10

And

1:02:12

other than other than them, I I just didn't really have a whole

1:02:15

lot of support because, I

1:02:17

mean, the medical professionals they

1:02:20

won't

1:02:21

they won't help me. They they to this day, they've been very unhelpful, and

1:02:23

I just can't I can't even bring

1:02:25

myself to reach out to them anymore, and

1:02:27

I came out to

1:02:30

IIII expressed to my gender my gender specialist

1:02:33

and my therapist and my

1:02:35

endocrinologist and even my surgeon that

1:02:37

I regret my transition

1:02:40

every step of it and

1:02:42

that I am

1:02:43

transitioning. And their

1:02:44

responses have been overall

1:02:48

pretty unhelpful. My

1:02:50

endocrinologist, I

1:02:54

requested some

1:02:54

blood work from her a

1:02:58

year back. just to test where my where my levels going

1:03:01

off testosterone. And

1:03:03

while I got the

1:03:04

results back, I specifically requested

1:03:08

that I was given the I

1:03:11

told her that III

1:03:12

no longer I didn't fives

1:03:14

male. I'm female, and I went through

1:03:18

information. for a female wage. And I was

1:03:20

given the guidelines for

1:03:23

the average hormone

1:03:26

levels for a teenage

1:03:28

boy,

1:03:28

boy

1:03:29

really? So

1:03:30

that was the that

1:03:34

was

1:03:34

the first taste of

1:03:37

how

1:03:37

unhelpful medical professionals stand of you

1:03:40

with the transition.

1:03:42

Even from my gender specialist and therapist,

1:03:45

they didn't really know what to do with

1:03:47

me because

1:03:50

I

1:03:52

mean, the

1:03:53

affirmative care model was anything other than that

1:03:55

would be, in my state, considered conversion

1:03:57

therapy, and so they

1:03:59

just

1:03:59

kind of all they could really do

1:04:02

was just listen to me

1:04:04

and just listen

1:04:05

to me talking about

1:04:07

my regret and My my surgeon,

1:04:09

I reached out to him because this

1:04:11

year I've had

1:04:14

regressions in my healing

1:04:16

after the mastectomy and I'm having some

1:04:18

really bad complications, actually.

1:04:22

And he I I

1:04:24

haven't been able to get a physical consultation

1:04:26

with him. It was just so it was just like

1:04:28

a five minute Zoom call. And

1:04:32

it felt very rushed. It felt kind

1:04:34

of it felt like he

1:04:35

was being a little bit

1:04:37

rude. And the advice he gave

1:04:39

me was just Put

1:04:41

some Vaseline on it. Slap

1:04:43

some Vaseline on it. You'll be fine.

1:04:45

You're serious. And it worsened by

1:04:48

condition

1:04:48

for a little

1:04:50

bit. I have not reached out to them since I can't I know they're

1:04:52

not gonna want to help me.

1:04:54

This

1:04:54

is the problem they they

1:04:56

say gender affirming care

1:04:59

But as you're telling them, I

1:05:02

am identifying as

1:05:04

a female, they're not

1:05:05

willing to

1:05:08

support you. and

1:05:09

and actually care

1:05:11

for you.

1:05:12

Yeah. I mean, gender

1:05:15

for me cares, a

1:05:16

euphemism in itself because it's not affirming anything

1:05:18

other than delusion. Exactly. It

1:05:20

should be about identity. It should be

1:05:24

about reality.

1:05:25

And yet,

1:05:27

reality was just completely brushed

1:05:30

aside because

1:05:32

I

1:05:32

felt a certain way.

1:05:35

Yeah. I I think

1:05:36

that's such an important point

1:05:39

that you make, Chloe,

1:05:42

about how the way someone feels at any given

1:05:44

time does not equate who they

1:05:46

really are and that it

1:05:48

is

1:05:49

an illusion. and

1:05:50

you've talked a little bit about

1:05:53

publicly about how the bigger issue

1:05:54

here, what's really

1:05:58

happening is

1:05:59

a spiritual battle that's

1:06:02

taking place. And this

1:06:03

isn't something that that

1:06:05

that I've really heard Many

1:06:07

other people talk about certainly no one

1:06:09

who's gone through what you've gone

1:06:12

through. What do you mean by that?

1:06:14

What do you mean by a

1:06:16

spiritual battle? Sorry.

1:06:22

Is

1:06:22

it okay if I some time to

1:06:24

enter whatever you need. Yeah. No problem. Take your time. I I also need to

1:06:26

use the actual quick start. Yep. Yep.

1:06:29

No problem. For starters,

1:06:31

The very idea of

1:06:33

a gender identity is sort

1:06:36

of

1:06:39

It's very similar to a soul. A lot of these

1:06:41

a lot of people who had advised transgender

1:06:43

call themselves like agnostic

1:06:45

or atheists, but

1:06:48

gender identity is

1:06:49

sort of

1:06:50

it's

1:06:51

like a soul basically. Like,

1:06:53

it's this detached

1:06:57

entity that's part of you,

1:07:00

but it's

1:07:00

not a part of your body

1:07:03

the now

1:07:04

somehow. they they

1:07:06

basically

1:07:06

they they're

1:07:08

trying to change the definition of what it means

1:07:10

to be female and male. It's

1:07:12

no longer to them, and it's no longer about sex, but

1:07:15

it's about

1:07:17

a feeling.

1:07:19

Right.

1:07:21

I feel that

1:07:24

personally my transition

1:07:27

and the transition was sort of

1:07:29

a personal spiritual battle.

1:07:33

i'm

1:07:42

Sorry, there's just a lot too. There's there's

1:07:43

No. I know. It's it's a really

1:07:46

deep it's a really

1:07:48

deep statement.

1:07:51

because so much of the conversation

1:07:54

around this is very super it is the

1:07:56

most superficial. One

1:07:58

could possibly be

1:08:00

when you're saying, hey, just because

1:08:02

you feel this way, then that is who

1:08:04

you are. It was something could

1:08:05

be further from the truth. It's a

1:08:07

very complex battle around this -- Yeah. --

1:08:10

very superficial idea

1:08:13

traditionally was presented

1:08:15

as a cure that in

1:08:17

this this cure for my distress. And yet, I

1:08:19

just it kept

1:08:23

making

1:08:23

me worse Yeah.

1:08:26

In every in every in

1:08:28

every way, my physical health started to

1:08:30

deteriorate, my mental well-being started to deteriorate, and

1:08:35

My performance in every part of

1:08:37

my

1:08:37

life, whether it be from school

1:08:40

and even just

1:08:42

taking care of myself just

1:08:44

dropped the

1:08:45

further I went into it. But

1:08:47

there

1:08:47

were

1:08:49

little

1:08:51

moments towards the of my that

1:08:56

I think

1:08:57

we're not we've

1:09:00

got I

1:09:02

remember one

1:09:03

night I I

1:09:06

didn't realize it, but

1:09:08

i didn't realize it but

1:09:11

was crying to myself for hours

1:09:14

m

1:09:16

and I

1:09:19

was just in the fetal position

1:09:20

in my bed

1:09:22

and I sort of

1:09:25

snapped out of it

1:09:27

and I realized that I

1:09:28

I was just I was just sobbing. I

1:09:30

didn't know for how long, but I was just covered in tears and I

1:09:32

got up and I looked at myself

1:09:35

in the mirror and I I

1:09:38

heard this voice to my set I heard this

1:09:39

voice to my head say, you're not being

1:09:41

honest with yourself. We need

1:09:43

to grow up.

1:09:46

I don't know

1:09:50

I

1:09:52

don't know what it

1:09:55

was. It it felt like almost like

1:09:57

a like an

1:09:59

older

1:09:59

sister sister sequel to me

1:10:02

speaking

1:10:03

to me. I

1:10:08

think that was really

1:10:09

one of the first

1:10:12

moments that open me

1:10:14

up to the

1:10:15

reality of things. The spiritual

1:10:18

battle is something

1:10:19

that is not only affecting

1:10:23

and impacting this

1:10:26

whole debate and

1:10:30

conversation around. you know, gender affirming care in

1:10:32

this trans ideology that's being pushed

1:10:34

on kids in schools, especially from

1:10:37

a really young age. you know, we also

1:10:39

see it. This question of identity is really what's

1:10:41

at the heart of it. Right? And we

1:10:43

see this around

1:10:45

identity politics where people -- Yeah. you know, trying to play to

1:10:48

one group or another based on, you

1:10:50

know, whether it's race or ethnicity, religion,

1:10:53

you see a lot of people in politics,

1:10:55

racializing everything, reducing

1:11:00

people down to

1:11:03

nothing more than the color

1:11:05

of their skin or, you know, you you take you take your

1:11:07

pick and and that

1:11:10

that very superficial

1:11:12

feature It's completely superficial

1:11:14

and it's so disconnected. You mentioned, you know, a lot of people who are pushing this,

1:11:16

or people who

1:11:19

are atheists or agnostic. and

1:11:22

that's that's really that's really

1:11:24

it because

1:11:25

if you are

1:11:27

identifying with a feeling, or

1:11:29

even the color of your skin, then you're not recognizing

1:11:31

the truth, which is, you

1:11:32

know, our

1:11:35

true identity of

1:11:38

who we all are as spirit

1:11:40

as children of God and

1:11:41

that everything else is, you know, it's like

1:11:43

it's like wearing clothes Yeah.

1:11:46

And I think in doing that, it's really for

1:11:48

some sort of faith grasping

1:11:50

for something to believe in.

1:11:52

sort of faith grasping for something to believe

1:11:54

him Yeah. And

1:11:55

so no wonder, you know,

1:11:56

as you share kind of

1:11:58

the mental anguish and the

1:11:59

confusion, the

1:12:02

depression, that you

1:12:03

went through. Now

1:12:06

as you look

1:12:08

back, as you

1:12:10

understand the truth. You can you can you can

1:12:13

connect the dots

1:12:13

and say, well, of course, you're

1:12:16

miserable. If you forget that you're

1:12:18

a child of god, then of course, are gonna be Right?

1:12:20

Of course, it's gonna

1:12:22

cause confusion and it's

1:12:25

it's really

1:12:27

powerful that that you

1:12:29

know, you opened your

1:12:31

heart to god to be able to

1:12:33

to

1:12:33

understand that truth and to feel

1:12:35

his unconditional love for you.

1:12:36

no

1:12:39

matter what. I don't think I

1:12:41

could have gotten through this

1:12:43

otherwise.

1:12:43

Yeah. Thank

1:12:45

you for being

1:12:46

so willing to open your

1:12:48

heart

1:12:48

and to share your story with other

1:12:51

people, Chloe, because it's so

1:12:53

powerful and it's

1:12:54

coming at such an

1:12:56

important time where, you know,

1:12:58

whether it's on social

1:12:59

media or it's different

1:13:02

external pressures or people in politics looking for power. I mean, they're really

1:13:05

they're really using

1:13:08

and abusing kids

1:13:10

and people for their own selfish

1:13:12

game, even the healthcare industry

1:13:14

for their own profits, increase their

1:13:17

own profit margin, seeing how they can

1:13:19

make a lot of money from this this growing

1:13:21

trend. With with very few people willing to stand up

1:13:23

and speak the truth people

1:13:27

like yourself who have gone through this

1:13:29

and can speak from personal experience

1:13:31

or others

1:13:33

who

1:13:36

actually care care for others and have the courage

1:13:38

to to speak the truth. And that's, you know, when we have

1:13:40

people

1:13:43

who deny that we exist as

1:13:45

women and that, you

1:13:47

know,

1:13:47

anyone can be

1:13:49

a woman if you

1:13:51

feel like it. really

1:13:52

what they're denying is

1:13:54

truth. Yeah. And in essence then, therefore, are erasing women,

1:13:59

the very people

1:13:59

that that a lot

1:14:02

of

1:14:02

politicians and

1:14:03

other people claim, oh, you know,

1:14:06

we gotta

1:14:06

stand up for women's rights and

1:14:08

opportunity and equal rights to any of

1:14:10

the women's rights and they don't even know what women are. Exactly. Yeah. But

1:14:16

they're They're presenting

1:14:18

being a woman

1:14:20

as

1:14:22

the woman as not

1:14:24

a biological, a beautiful fact. Yeah. It's

1:14:26

just a feeling. And yet, in

1:14:28

the way they

1:14:29

do it, it's very

1:14:32

superficial, very very

1:14:34

stereotypical, very oftentimes sexualized and,

1:14:37

I

1:14:40

mean, it's

1:14:41

no wonder that a

1:14:43

lot of young girls these days don't want to grow into women.

1:14:45

burrow into women

1:14:47

Yeah. And

1:14:48

by telling them

1:14:49

that being a woman is just fulfilling, you're telling them that there's a

1:14:52

way out. And it's

1:14:53

just not true. It

1:14:55

just leaves them. down

1:14:58

through paths, quite like men.

1:15:00

What are the long

1:15:03

term

1:15:03

consequences and effects that

1:15:05

you're dealing with? I've had

1:15:08

some social or physical

1:15:11

or just across

1:15:13

the across

1:15:16

the board. all

1:15:16

the physical side

1:15:18

effects come to mind first from the blockers.

1:15:23

It's very likely that they've

1:15:23

actually reduced my my

1:15:26

adult height. I was

1:15:27

my older

1:15:29

sisters are five foot

1:15:32

seven and everybody

1:15:33

else to my family

1:15:35

is, like, five to ten

1:15:35

to about six five.

1:15:37

And I ended up

1:15:39

at 53I

1:15:43

was thirteen, so I was projected to

1:15:45

have a few more years of growth,

1:15:47

and that was when

1:15:50

my purity was halted.

1:15:53

and I've

1:15:56

gotten

1:15:58

some some joint pains usually happens in

1:15:59

my knees. Recently, I've had some

1:16:02

I've had, like, shooting pains happening

1:16:04

in both of my arms

1:16:06

and my elbows and in my my

1:16:09

wrists, my fingers.

1:16:11

And I've been

1:16:11

getting some

1:16:17

I've started getting some pain in

1:16:18

my gums, and my gums have started

1:16:20

to sit a little

1:16:22

bit, and I think this

1:16:24

is due

1:16:26

to the the blockers because these are

1:16:30

they're known to they're

1:16:32

known to cause

1:16:35

changes in bone density. Wow. It just

1:16:37

makes sense.

1:16:37

Yeah. And the testosterone are

1:16:40

developing.

1:16:42

yeah Yeah. The

1:16:44

testosterone Because I was I was still

1:16:46

growing while I was on it. I think it's I

1:16:48

believe it's

1:16:51

caused me to have

1:16:54

been underdeveloped urinary tract and

1:16:56

so I have I have some I

1:16:59

have some issues with with

1:17:02

the urinary

1:17:03

tract infections. I used to get blood

1:17:05

in my urine and sometimes

1:17:07

tissue. It it

1:17:09

it got really bad. for a while. And this

1:17:11

was actually worsened after going off at

1:17:14

the SaaS firm for a little bit.

1:17:16

And

1:17:19

I was I

1:17:22

was

1:17:23

told in that

1:17:26

consultation with my before

1:17:28

I started start to start

1:17:30

at thirteen that I may experience vaginal

1:17:33

atrophy, but I

1:17:34

was never really informed that

1:17:37

the atrophy could also affect other organs in my pelvic area

1:17:39

such

1:17:39

as my

1:17:44

uterus or even

1:17:46

my, like, my bladder. And I think the combined

1:17:48

my bladder and i think i'm

1:17:50

to combine diane lack of

1:17:53

development and atrophy is what's affecting my bladder right now. And

1:17:55

I I can't say for sure because,

1:17:59

I mean, my health care provider has been

1:18:02

pretty unhelpful and I just can't get to the bottom of these things. I mean,

1:18:07

the way they treated my gender

1:18:08

dysphoria and even other

1:18:10

areas of my health

1:18:12

have been

1:18:14

very similar. It's like

1:18:16

in the past three years,

1:18:19

it's basically just been, oh, let's consult with you over the phone and

1:18:24

the there's

1:18:25

no really getting to the bottom of the issue. It's just treating the

1:18:28

symptoms and getting me some

1:18:30

sort of medications, whether it be

1:18:34

antibiotics or God knows

1:18:37

what. Right. Some

1:18:39

other experimental medication

1:18:41

i'm

1:18:43

But since going

1:18:46

off

1:18:47

to testosterone, I've In

1:18:50

the in

1:18:51

the first few months, I was I was very

1:18:53

sickly. Actually, I lost a lot of weight. I went

1:18:55

down from a hundred twenty five to at

1:18:57

my lowest weight, I was about a hundred and

1:18:59

five. wasn't a matter of, like, I think it was two months. Oh my god.

1:19:01

I just completely lost my appetite for

1:19:03

a while. I've been slowly getting

1:19:05

it back and my weight has

1:19:07

been going up. and

1:19:10

I've

1:19:10

been getting sick less frequently, but I can't

1:19:12

say that I am really

1:19:14

at where

1:19:15

I was then.

1:19:16

in really out where i was then But

1:19:19

no

1:19:21

by

1:19:23

I

1:19:25

hey

1:19:28

I'm very surprised that

1:19:29

I started getting periods about two months after I stopped the classroom

1:19:31

because when I started on them,

1:19:33

I was so

1:19:36

young that they

1:19:36

weren't regular yet. I was only having I

1:19:38

was only having them, like, maybe, like, every

1:19:39

two to four months by that point.

1:19:41

So the fact that they've been,

1:19:44

like, they've they

1:19:46

came so soon and that they've

1:19:48

been relatively very regular. It's a it's

1:19:50

it's a very

1:19:50

helpful sign to me, but I'm

1:19:53

really not sure about, like, my overall reproductive health because I was

1:19:55

I was so young when I started these treatments. Yeah. I

1:19:57

don't know if

1:19:58

it could have

1:19:59

affected like eggs

1:20:02

or, like, some other factor that

1:20:04

would affect my ability to conceive a

1:20:06

child. Obviously,

1:20:07

I'm not gonna be able to

1:20:09

breastfeed because I don't have to

1:20:11

breast anymore. my I've had a

1:20:13

lot of I

1:20:15

think that's been

1:20:16

affecting me the

1:20:19

most emotionally and physically

1:20:22

because this

1:20:24

the I I

1:20:26

will warn you

1:20:27

that this this

1:20:30

will get the big graphic. I don't know where are you

1:20:32

going to are you gonna post

1:20:34

this to, like, YouTube or some other website?

1:20:37

Okay. I would I would recommend

1:20:39

putting a timestamp here because I'm okay. I will go into graphic detail here. just

1:20:45

just like a little little time stamp for people to stick it if you don't wanna hear it.

1:20:47

But so the

1:20:51

way the missectomy the the

1:20:53

way the message to me was done on

1:20:55

me. They not only, like, cut under

1:20:57

my breast and remove the tissue

1:21:00

and basically contour

1:21:02

it to make them more

1:21:04

masks and appearance. They

1:21:06

also they describe it

1:21:08

to me like this to make it more

1:21:10

digestible to me as a kid On

1:21:14

area of my chest, they

1:21:17

would make a scrape sort

1:21:19

of like like a like

1:21:21

a deep knee scrape but

1:21:23

more more controlled And they would they they

1:21:25

removed my nipples, and they basically put them into that

1:21:28

area of

1:21:30

Scripps' skin. to in a more

1:21:32

they called it

1:21:34

a more masculine position. And,

1:21:36

I mean, there's all there's all sorts

1:21:38

of issues that come from that. Like, obviously,

1:21:40

because they sever the nerves and

1:21:42

blood vessels. There will be issues with sensation and blood flow. But for

1:21:48

me, the

1:21:48

healing

1:21:49

process hasn't been

1:21:51

exactly linear. I

1:21:52

was the

1:21:55

way it was

1:21:55

presented to me, I

1:21:56

would I would mostly

1:21:58

be healed

1:21:59

by around a

1:22:02

year or so,

1:22:04

but It's been well over two years

1:22:06

and earlier this year, the top layer of

1:22:12

skin, which since the

1:22:14

since the surgery has been

1:22:16

pretty

1:22:20

pretty

1:22:21

dry

1:22:22

on the top. It's

1:22:26

basically basically it's regressed

1:22:28

in healing. It's constantly, like,

1:22:30

emitting this clear fluid. I have

1:22:32

no idea what it is. And the

1:22:34

top layer of skin is just basically

1:22:38

not there. I have no idea what's going on, and I

1:22:40

I have to reach

1:22:42

outside my healthcare provider to

1:22:46

figure out what it is. And if I can

1:22:49

even treat it,

1:22:51

I'm just

1:22:52

kind of add a

1:22:55

loss of what to do with

1:22:57

that right now. I just right now,

1:22:59

I'm just I'm just trying to keep

1:23:01

the area clean and, like, covered up

1:23:03

with bandages so it doesn't, like, get

1:23:06

on my clothes. But

1:23:08

I

1:23:08

they irish I'm

1:23:10

just kind of stuck

1:23:13

with this. And there's

1:23:15

no

1:23:15

way of, you

1:23:17

know, there's no I don't

1:23:19

know. Like, I'm I'm just thinking about gosh.

1:23:21

Where are the resources that you could look

1:23:24

to? But

1:23:26

this is part of the problem, right, is what you're going through.

1:23:29

They're they they

1:23:31

haven't done studies,

1:23:34

expansive studies. They they predict Chloe eighteen

1:23:36

right now. Here's what you can

1:23:38

expect in five years or ten years

1:23:40

or fifteen or twenty years. What to

1:23:42

speak of? What's happening right now? No.

1:23:46

I've tried to, like, look this up online, like, look up my exact symptoms and figure out what is going

1:23:48

on. there's

1:23:53

just no information. They say that.

1:23:55

Usually, the complications happen with the,

1:23:56

like, the first week or the

1:23:59

first few months

1:23:59

post op. but

1:24:04

this

1:24:04

started to

1:24:05

happen two

1:24:07

years after the fact.

1:24:09

and on

1:24:14

And

1:24:18

don't I just yeah. I just I

1:24:20

don't really know where to

1:24:22

turn to. Yeah. I know

1:24:25

we're gonna be we're

1:24:26

the gonna

1:24:28

be publishing this episode

1:24:30

after your announcement on Tucker.

1:24:33

So if you're comfortable with it,

1:24:35

I'd love for you to and obviously, we'll cut this part out, but and

1:24:37

obviously will cut this part out but you're

1:24:41

filing a lawsuit. Yes. We talk about how these

1:24:43

medical providers have been negligent and

1:24:47

derelict in fulfilling their professional responsibility, you're not just

1:24:50

talking about it, you're

1:24:52

doing something

1:24:54

about it. what's what's going on? Who you're you're

1:24:56

taking on some powerful you're taking on

1:24:58

some powerful people in this?

1:25:01

I have to because there's a lot of other people who

1:25:03

are in the situation, but they're they're

1:25:06

all they're all adults

1:25:08

and they're

1:25:10

well out of statute so limitations to be able to

1:25:12

take action for themselves.

1:25:14

So who are you doing?

1:25:17

I'm hoping to yes. I'm I'm hoping to

1:25:19

be able to create a precedent for

1:25:22

other people in my situation

1:25:24

to be able to take legal

1:25:26

action and get compensated for the

1:25:28

damages. I am suing my

1:25:30

endocrinologist, my surgeon, and the gender

1:25:32

the gender specialist who

1:25:34

recommended me to that surgeon.

1:25:38

as well as

1:25:40

the the hospital that operated

1:25:42

on me and

1:25:43

Kaiser.

1:25:44

Good. Good. Because they have

1:25:46

not only they have not only been

1:25:48

derelict in doing

1:25:51

this to you, they

1:25:54

have

1:25:54

not been they've been derelict in

1:25:58

continuing to help

1:26:00

treat

1:26:01

you. Yes. with all of the complications that you

1:26:03

have now because of what they did. Well,

1:26:06

I'm glad you're taking on this fight

1:26:08

because not only

1:26:10

for yourself, my gosh, with everything that you're continuing to go through, but

1:26:12

but to set that precedent

1:26:14

for others because I know

1:26:17

you're not alone. I know you're not alone and and that's

1:26:20

where I think your, you

1:26:22

know, your message to other

1:26:24

parents and kids

1:26:26

who are going through this or who have gone

1:26:28

through this

1:26:29

has has such great

1:26:32

power

1:26:32

and impact. So thank you.

1:26:34

Thank you for that. Before we let you go that I wanna talk to you about, you just started organization called

1:26:38

D TRANZ United. Yeah.

1:26:40

the united vs And

1:26:42

why did you start it? And who's

1:26:45

it

1:26:45

for? I

1:26:48

started because I

1:26:50

mean, there are a lot of

1:26:52

there are a lot of, like, online support

1:26:54

groups for the transitioners that mainly focus on,

1:26:56

like, just

1:26:59

like having

1:26:59

a sense of community and being able to

1:27:01

find that support. Mhmm. But there's

1:27:04

and being

1:27:06

able to

1:27:07

find, like, medical,

1:27:10

like, psychological resources,

1:27:12

but There

1:27:14

aren't a

1:27:14

lot of there aren't really any groups that are

1:27:16

focusing on the activism side of things.

1:27:19

I wanna be

1:27:19

able to cover all those

1:27:22

areas, but mainly focus on the

1:27:24

activism help

1:27:24

empower people to lift their voices

1:27:26

up? Yes. Yeah. When

1:27:27

I was when I saw you, when

1:27:29

I met you,

1:27:30

and I was so excited to meet you in

1:27:32

Nashville, We

1:27:34

were at a rally called rally

1:27:37

to end child mutilation.

1:27:39

And, of course, Matt Walsh

1:27:41

and the Daily Wire organized

1:27:43

this was wouldn't known

1:27:44

this, but I was standing,

1:27:46

I don't know, maybe thirty feet

1:27:48

behind you

1:27:50

as you were speaking. and

1:27:52

you were delivering such

1:27:54

an incredibly powerful message and

1:27:56

a powerful speech in front

1:27:59

of thousands of people and

1:28:02

I

1:28:02

was seeing how you stood

1:28:04

there strong and how in

1:28:06

front of you, directly

1:28:09

in front of the podium,

1:28:11

there was a small

1:28:11

but pretty loud group

1:28:13

of people who were

1:28:15

claiming that everyone

1:28:17

gathered there as transphobic. fash Making

1:28:20

fashions. Exactly. They had their signs.

1:28:22

They had their bull horns and

1:28:24

megaphones and banging

1:28:27

on pots and pans. they're

1:28:29

really trying to

1:28:31

drown out your voice. What gave you

1:28:34

what gave you strength strength? because your

1:28:37

voice didn't

1:28:37

waver at all through any of that. Your knees

1:28:39

didn't buckle.

1:28:40

And I wanna

1:28:43

ask

1:28:43

you this because there's

1:28:46

so

1:28:46

much fear out there, Chloe.

1:28:48

As you know, there's so much fear

1:28:50

for anybody to to even ask a question

1:28:53

about this. What to speak of have a